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A
So
if
it's
all
right
with
everyone,
why
don't
I
call
the
meeting
to
order
since
we
do
have
a
quorum
present
and
I'll
start
with
the
first
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
regular
Planning
and
Development
Committee
meeting
on
March
9th
2020
slow
approval
there?
A
second
okay.
B
A
A
C
My
understanding
is
I,
have
people
in
the
waiting
room
and
we'll
let
them
in
to
make
public
comment.
I
sent
you
a
note.
If
you
want
to
keep
time
than,
and
let
me
know
what
time's
up
we
can,
we
can
move
people
out
of
the
waiting
room
or
back
up
into
the
waiting
room
once
they're
done
or
or
let
them
know,
okay,.
C
A
C
A
D
C
All
right,
so
this
is
from
Greg
Sorenson,
and
this
is
this
is
his
comment.
As
a
25
year,
Evanston
resident
I
support
the
current
proposal
for
an
office
development
at
6:05.
Davis
Street
is
an
appealing
development
and
an
attractive
solution
to
a
long-standing
downtown
eyesore
that
was
coming.
That's
one
of
the
sign
ups
yeah.
There
was
bad
fro,
sure
and
Libby
Hill
I'm,
not
saying
either
of
them
in
the
meeting
right
now
in
the
waiting
room.
E
E
C
D
C
C
A
C
There's
there's
a
couple
more:
if
you
like,
okay,
I
guess,
I
could
just
read
yours
sorry,
so
this
next
person
is
from
mark
Daniel
and
actually
I'm
sorry.
This
is
this
is
something
for
pluck
City,
Council,
so
I
think
and
then
the
only
last
one
was
again
Elizabeth
Collins
still
not
seeing
anybody
in
the
waiting
room.
I
would,
like
just
add
my
support
for
at
6:05
Bevis
tree.
It
would
be
nice
to
continue
development
of
our
downtown
and
not
see
a
vacant
lot
and.
D
A
Okay,
then,
why
don't
we
move
into
our
items
for
consideration
and
if
people
join,
we
can
figure
out
an
equitable
way
to
get
them
increase
all
right.
So
item
p1
is
approval
of
application
for
home
community
housing
development
organization
funds
to
construct
a
coach
house
for
affordable
rental
by
Housing,
Opportunity,
Development
Corporation,
and
for
action.
Is
there
a
second
there?
Okay,
all
the
rooms?
Thank
you
all
right.
So
Sarah
flex,
this
your
show.
G
It
is
Thank
You,
Cara,
separatin
members
of
the
committee,
housing
and
homelessness.
Commission,
looked
at
this
application
and
recommends
approval
along
with
staff.
Every
year
we
get
15%
of
our
home
funds
that
have
to
be
used
with
a
total.
We
have
to
toe
boots
function
and
Evanston
right
now.
Hov
C
is
one
and
the
other
is
community
partners
for
the
affordable
housing.
G
Our
last
chotto
project
was
with
FIFA,
and
so
we
are
recommending
this
total
project,
which
is
actually
possible
due
to
Council's
approval
of
allowing
Coach
houses
to
be
built
on
properties
other
than
single-family
homes.
It
makes
excellent
use
of
an
existing
property.
Many
years
ago,
this
property
had
a
coach
house
on
it.
Sadly,
that
Coach
House
had
no
foundation,
so
it
had
to
be
torn
down.
It
literally
had
no
foundation,
but
right
now
there
is
no
parking
street
parking
on
the
site.
G
The
total
budget
would
from
the
city
would
be
it
would
be
up
to
a
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
dollars.
Obviously,
if
the
project
came
in
not
needing
all
that
money,
they
wouldn't
get
paid
out,
but
it
would
use
the
three
years
of
total
reserve
funding
from
our
home
funds.
So
that
gets
us
it's
similar
to
what
we
did
with
our
last
project.
Recife,
where
we
put
all
of
the
three
years
of
total
reserve
into
one
project.
G
We
are
not
able
to
layer
those
funds
in
effectively
with
any
other
sources
of
funding
because
of
the
home
regulations.
Regarding
total
projects,
they
have
to
be
a
to
be
owned
and
managed
by
a
chotto
and
in
the
event
that
the
chotto
were
to
not
continue
to
exist.
The
city
has
to
have
the
ability
to
move
the
ownership
of
the
project
to
another
active
chotto
and
that's
really
hard
to
do
when
you're
financing
with
banks
or
anybody
else.
G
A
A
A
Thank
you
Richard,
do
you
have
a
presentation
or
should
Albertsons
go
forward,
I,
don't.
J
H
You
so
you're
right
Sarah
did
do
a
great
overview.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we've
taken
every
step
towards
I'm
supporting
a
project
like
this.
In
the
recent
approval
of
accessory
dwellings,
we
have
been
working
with
evidence
and
community
Evanson
development,
cooperative
and
looking
forward
to
them,
proving
their
model
of
sustainable,
affordable
in
the
way
of
accessory
dwellings.
It's
going
to
be
restricted
to
at
least
60%
ami,
and
it
there
has
not
been
any
pushback
from
the
neighbors
I've
been
in
touch
with
them.
H
The
developer
has
added
affordable
housing
has
been
a
responsible
and
attentive
and
engaged
developer,
attending
neighborhood
meetings
and
weighing
in
on
how
their
organization
might
support
the
vision
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
funds
are
restricted.
We
couldn't
use
them
for
I'm
sure
we
could
use
them
for
some
other
purpose,
but
they're
restricted
to
be
used
with
the
Chodos
they
comply
and
I'm,
hoping
that
this
is
something
that
we
can
support.
A
G
A
K
A
There
anyone
opposed
all
right
so
that
item
passes.
Our
next
item
is
item
P
3,
which
is
ordinance
4900
20,
a
special
use
for
a
planned
development
and
drive-through
facility
for
financial
institution
at
605,
Davis
Street,
the
plan
commission
staff
recommend
adoption
of
an
ordinance
49
o
24
approval,
the
special
use
for
a
plan
development
and
drive
the
facility
for
financial
institution.
A
The
proposal
includes
the
following
site:
development
allowances,
floor
area,
ratio
of
thirteen
point
two
or
four
point
five
is
allowed,
and
each
one
will
may
be
requested
as
a
maximum
site
development
allowance
to
propose
hi
220,
where
85
feet,
excluding
parking
is
allowed
and
220
may
be
requested
as
a
site.
Development
allowance.
A
That's
sighs
somebody's
eye,
Calculon
I
may
be
39
parking
spaces
where
a
foreign
of
20
are
required
for
a
15-foot.
Ziggurat
setback
is
proposed
at
29
foot
height
along
Davis,
where
a
40-foot
ziggurat
setback
is
required.
Above
42
foot
height
by
0
foot,
ziggurat
setback
is
proposed
along
the
east
interior
lot
line
and
29
foot
height,
where
a
25
foot,
ziggurat
setback
is
required
about
42
foot,
height
and
6-0
foot.
A
K
G
K
A
M
We
also
have
total
camp
at
Camp,
Landscape
Architect,
based
in
in
Evanston,
as
well
as
Louie
abouna
from
a
Loa
who's
on
the
call
with
us
today.
In
case
there
are
questions.
For
now
the
site
is
located
in
between
Chicago
and
Arrington
right
in
the
middle
of
downtown
Evanston.
It's
the
chase
bank
drive-through
and
the
vacant
lot
immediately
to
the
east
of
that
adjacent
to
the
universe,
to
the
University
building.
M
You
know
this
is
in
the
core
of
Evanston,
where
density
should
be
encouraged
and
we
have
a
set
of
guiding
principles
that
you've
been
working
with,
as
we
find
through
the
the
planning
process
for
this
building,
and
it's
yes
and
the
the
first
one
is
that
we
want
to
create
a
building
worthy
of
this
significant
site,
a
beautiful
building,
sustainable,
building,
a
forward-thinking
building.
It's
also
bringing
a
use
to
downtown
Evanston
which
will
strengthen
the
downtown.
M
Sustainability,
amenities
are
now,
you
know
different
than
they
were
20
years
ago
and
Evanston
needs
that
a
new
office
building
in
order
to
be
competitive
with
other
markets
as
companies
are
looking
for
office
space.
As
I
mentioned,
the
community
process
has
been
very
robust.
We
met
with
design
Evanston
many
months
ago.
They
provided
feedback
into
the
building
which
came
into
the
design.
We've
had
multiple
conversations
with
bird
friendly
Evanston,
also
incorporated
into
the
design,
and
then
also
the
the
guidance
permit.
Evanston
staff
know
a
community
process
like
this.
M
L
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
Jay
Longo
I'm,
a
design
partner
at
SCB,
sauna
and
coral
events
I'm
there
that
take
you
through
our
thinking
on
the
design
and
the
aspects
of
the
building.
So
as
you're
well
familiar
the
site,
it's
a
very
good
location
in
the
downtown
urban
core.
It's
within
a
quarter-mile
walk
of
the
metro
and
CTA.
So
it's
it's
very,
very
ideal
for
a
transit,
oriented
type
of
development
right
into
the
urban
downtown
core.
L
You
know,
along
with
the
other
high-rise
office
and
residential
uses,
it
is
a
d3
zone,
so
it's
meant
for
higher
density
and
we
just
have
a
couple
quick
photos
of
you're
very
familiar
with
the
site,
but
across
the
street
and
along
the
four
major
Davis.
You
have
that
two
three
story:
kind
of
podium
buildings,
and
then
we
have
the
Chase
Bank
and
its
Plaza
to
the
west
and
then,
of
course,
our
university
building,
which
is
right
along
the
corner
of
Davis
in
Chicago,
and
we
really
took
a
lot
of
cues
with
this
building.
L
L
The
other
thing
that
we
do
know
my
mother
lives
just
down
the
street
on
Chicago
Avenue,
I'm,
very
familiar
with
the
downtown.
It's
got
a
really
nice
rich
history
of
masonry,
two
to
five
story
buildings.
So
we
did
a
lot
of
sort
of
contextual
study
of
the
different
storefronts
and
how
to
articulate
the
base
of
the
building
so
that
it
continues
that
wonderful
pedestrian
scale
of
downtown
Evanston
and
by
creating
that
reveal
between
the
university
building
and
our
building.
We
actually
make
a
storefront
scale,
that's
not
as
long
and
at
the
correct
height.
L
So
here
you
can
see
that
we're
pulling
that
line
directly
across
from
the
university
building.
We're
using
a
dog
tooth
Korbel
course
to
hide
the
parking.
So
none
of
the
parking
level
is
actually
visible
from
the
street
at
all
and
then
a
really
tall
storefront
of
about
15
feet
that
moves
in
and
out
to
define
the
different
retail
areas
of
about
4,500
square
feet.
On
the
ground
floor,
the
other
thought
was
that
we
would
for
the
the
chase
drive-through
reducing
it
from
7
lanes
to
1.
L
Just
a
couple,
quick
notes
on
the
materials
we're
using
a
long
style,
brick,
which
is
very
evident
in
downtown
Everson
and
Norman
style,
very
thin,
brick
and
we're
using
it
in
the
same
similar
color
for
the
university
building
to
kind
of
draw
that
comparison
and
contrast
between
the
existing
building
of
the
University
and
ours,
we're
using
two
different
metal
panel
shades
and
then
a
high-performance
glass
on
the
tower.
Above
so
here's
a
shot
from
Chicago
Avenue
looking
south.
So
here
you
can
see
where
the
two
buildings
are
separated.
L
Here
you
can
see
the
entry
Plaza,
the
other
kind
of
feature
that
we
did
was
a
terrace
trellis
for
our
amenity
deck,
that
that
serves
two
purposes,
one
that
severely
reduces
the
downdraft
wind
effects
on
the
pedestrian
zone
from
the
building,
and
then
it
just
provides
shade
and
really
nice
atmospheric
surviving
leave
the
street
edge.
So
here
you
get
activity
during
office
hours
up
on
the
third
floor,
as
well
as
the
pedestrian
experience
down
on
the
ground
floor.
L
Looking
from
the
south
here
again
you
get
a
retail
corner
and
you
can
see
the
trellis
you
get
about
15
feet
of
decks
going
across
the
entire
length
of
the
retail
zone
and
then
our
entry
Plaza
we're
planning
a
green
wall
along
the
university
facade
to
dress
up
the
circuit
common
brick
side
of
that
building,
and
the
other
thing
that
we're
doing
is
we're
providing
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
parking
stalls
for
bikes
and
working
with
planning
staff.
We
located
actually
the
bike
entrance,
not
off
the
alley,
but
off
the
main
entry
of
the
building.
L
So,
whether
you
approach
this
building
on
foot
or
on
riding
your
bike,
you
can
use
that
entry
Plaza
get
into
the
lockers
and
up
into
the
tower,
just
a
quick
detail
of
the
retail
storefront.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
making
sure
that
it
moved
in
and
out
that
you
actually
see
the
brick
return
on
the
inside
and
you
have
these
nice
deep
entries
and
a
lot
of
glass
along
the
storefront.
L
L
L
L
Yep
I'm
just
about
done
here
one
other.
Just
last
thing
is
we
met
with
bird-friendly
Evanston.
We
are
providing
bird-friendly
glass
from
41
foot
six
and
lower,
so
the
ground-floor
retail
has
bird-friendly
glass
along
with
our
amenity
deck
and
we're
also
doing
bird-friendly
glass
railings
at
the
top
of
the
building.
So
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
Carrie.
M
We
get
just
a
couple
more
slides,
Alderman
to
wrap
up
the
presentation.
You
know
I
want
to
summarize
the
economic
benefits
and
the
public
benefits
of
the
development
Evanston
tends
to
focus
on
public
benefits
a
lot,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
also
realize
the
economic
benefits
that
come
along
with
this
project.
You
know
inherent
in
this
development,
our
job
creation
and
municipal
revenue,
things
which
will
benefit
Evanston
for
years
to
come,
and
you
know
I
think
both
of
them
need
to
be
considered.
M
So
in
this
slide,
you
know
we
have
job
creation
that
happens
during
construction,
450
jobs,
30
full-time
equivalent,
new
jobs
in
the
project
when
it's
finished,
we're
bringing
950
office
workers
to
downtown
when
the
building
is
complete
and
occupied.
There's
a
incremental
tax
revenue
increase
of
about
1.3
million
dollars
million
dollars
in
building
permit
fees,
as
well
as
two
hundred
and
four
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
in
sales
tax
revenue
there's
also
the
urban
planning
goals.
You
know
this
project
meets
a
lot
of
the
objectives
of
downtown's.
Of
instance.
M
Downtown
plan
know
creating
a
vibrant,
walkable
downtown,
and
the
primary
one
in
here
is
about
the
drive
through
reducing
the
drive
through
and
making
sure
that
it's
it's
future
proof
so
that
if
it's
ever
not
going
to
be
used
for
a
banking
use,
it
will
be
incorporated
into
the
retail
on
the
ground
floor
and
disappear.
That's
that's
something.
That's
documented.
In
the
draft
of
the
ordinance.
We
also
obviously
have
the
public
benefits.
They
fall
into
two
main
categories:
financial
benefits
as
well
as
sustainable
benefits.
M
Again
we
tried
to
create
benefits,
public
benefits
that
are
tangible,
that
people
will
realize
that
are
happening,
and
we
also
tried
to
balance
our
public
benefits
so
that
they
are
improving
the
site
as
well
as
improving
the
area
around
the
site
as
well
as
Evanston
in
the
hole.
So
you
know
in
the
financial
category,
Matt
RJ
mentioned
the
parking
arrangement,
that's
a
win-win.
M
It
was
a
significant
improvement
to
the
design
of
the
building,
as
well
as
producing
almost
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
revenue
to
Evanston's
parking
garage
income
and
we're
also
focusing
on
local
hiring
we're
talking
about
hiring
five
evidences
in
red
stone.
By
doesn't
it
Evanston
residence
during
construction
and
offering
30%
of
the
permanent
jobs
to
Evanston
residents?
M
The
sustainability
category
is
non
code
required
items.
The
word
friendly
features
have
been
talked
about,
also
we're
going
to
be
working
with
collective
resource,
which
is
Evanston's
composting
partner,
they're
going
to
be
working
in
the
building
and
being
able
to
provide
that
as
a
benefit
to
the
building,
and
so
in
closing.
You
know,
I
think
that
you
know
we
need
to
consider
the
millions
of
dollars
of
economic
benefits
through
job
creation
and
tax
revenue
and
also
think
about
the
public
benefits
that
this
development
brings
to
the
city.
M
C
A
So
I'll
just
read
from
the
memo
and
I
said
somebody
else
has
questions
I'll
go
first.
It
says
during
that
project
review
committee,
a
meeting
staff
shared
concerns
regarding
the
extent
of
public
benefits
presented
at
that
meeting
for
the
proposed
development,
as
several
items
listed
in
that
summary
of
public
benefits
or
items
that
are
required
by
ordinance.
K
F
L
C
E
E
K
A
The
men
all
tell
me
this
is
a
review
during
dapper
meeting
staff
share
concerns
are
not
in
the
extent
of
public
benefits
presented
at
the
meeting.
The
ramones
welven
has
several
items
listed
in
that
summary
of
public
benefits
were
items
that
are
required
by
ordinance
or
would
be
standard
occurrences
with
development
of
the
land,
and
so
with
acknowledgement
of
the
economic
benefits.
What
do
you
say
about
the
lightness
of
the
public
benefits.
M
But
from
the
developer
aldermen,
the
public
benefits,
as
they
were
listed
in
the
damper
meeting,
have
changed
considerably,
since
you
know
that
time
that
presentation
in
that
meeting,
we've
added
several
items
to
the
list.
The
collective
resource
arrangement
is
was
created
after
that,
as
well
as
all
of
the
local
hiring
and
the
parking
arrangement
were
all
finalized
after
the
dabber
meeting.
So
we've
been
working
with
staff
pretty
extensively
since
dappered
through
the
plan
commission
to
increase
the
number
of
public
benefits
that
we
were
provided.
Okay,.
C
K
C
A
F
F
You
know
if
they,
you
know,
we've
had
struggles
with
different
other
projects
on
getting
getting
the
employment
heart
met,
but
I
think
you
know
this
is
a
little
bit
different
in
that
it's
ongoing
operations
of
the
building.
So
in
other
words,
it's
not
like
a
you
know,
a
short-term
employment
commitment
other
than
the
construction
jobs,
but
the
finger
worth
thirty
position
was
at
thirty
percent
of
the
positions
are
gonna,
be
Evanston
residents
right.
F
This,
unfortunately,
it's
a
very
Nell
I've
got
an
iPad
and
then
I
have
a
laptop
and
the
laptops
really
old.
So
getting
to
the
page.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
not
quite
used
to
having
to
scroll
like
this
I.
A
F
And
one
of
the
things
you
know
like
I
said
things
like
the
you
know:
the
viaduct
galley
improvements
things
like
that
to
me.
Those
are
more
important
than
another
divvy
station.
Not
that
Divis
aren't
you
know
nice,
but
you
know
I'd,
like
you
know,
I
appreciate
things
that
are
different
than
kind
of
the
usual
suspects
that
you
know
crop
up
in
every
proposal
and
I
do
like
the
idea
of
a
commitment
on
the
on
the
employment
part
of
it.
H
N
M
A
F
People
so
yeah
yeah
the
vacant.
As
long
as
that,
I
can
remember
right.
The
I
did
not
voted
against
the
threesome
story
of
residential
building.
I
didn't
think
that
worked
for
a
number
of
reasons,
so
I
appreciate
that
this
is
something
that
I
think
is
much
more
appropriate
for
the
downtown.
The
the
issue
with
the
drive-through
has
been
an
ongoing
problem.
F
F
Know
that's
sort
of
the
starting
point
if
we
can
have
some
more
conversations
over
the
next
couple
weeks
before
anything,
this
interaction
before
work
for
action
to
kind
of
adjust.
These
public
benefits,
I'm
interested
in
doing
that
and
I
think
they'll
cut
out,
there's
some
opportunities
for
that,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
getting.
You
know
it's
been
so
so
long.
F
The
I
think
the
economic
environments
going
to
be
changing
and
I
want
us
as
a
city
and
a
community
be
well
positioned
for
when
we
kind
of
come
out
of
this
thing
to
to
be
prepared
to
get
businesses
going
and
I
think
this
is
a
way
to
do
that.
So
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
kind
of
push
forward
with
this
and
make
the
adjustments
over
the
next
couple
of
few
weeks
before
the
next
meeting.
All.
A
B
B
So
my
post
state
questions
are
I
want
to
make
sure
if
this
is
introduced
at
council
that
that
the
developer
has
secured
the
necessary
financing,
and
maybe
that
has
been
the
case-
pre
virus,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
still
the
case
while
we're
in
the
virus,
because
some
some
lenders
are
pulling
back
on
construction
projects.
That
and
I
think
that's
information
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
my
my
general
concerns
about
the
building.
B
Are
several
I
am
always
been
struggling
and
I
said
through
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
actually
watched
it
again
in
reruns
I'm
real
concerned
about
the
drive-through
and
about
the
cars
entering
in
the
middle
of
the
building,
where
you
have
people,
hopefully
looking
in
active
retail
windows,
but
also
cars
entering
and
crossing
the
sidewalk
and
our
bike
lane
I
understand.
That's
a
huge
problem.
B
B
Various
ingress
and
egress
from
parking
areas
and
services
to
commercial
make
that
alley
real
difficult,
I
am
struggling
with
parking
because
I,
don't
think
the
number
of
parking
spaces
on
the
site
are
are
enough,
especially
given
the
height
of
the
building.
I.
Think
when
we're
building
a
building
this
high
at
least
another
floor
of
parking
would
have
been,
would
have
been
preferable
and
the
the
setbacks.
When
you
look
at
Davis,
Street
look
west
on
Davis
Street
from
him
and,
for
example,
the
the
bike
lanes
have
basically
narrowed.
B
Davis
Street
had
the
visual
aspect
of
Davis
Street,
and
this
building
sits
very
close
to
the
sidewalk
and
I
think
is
again
create
something
of
a
canyon
effect.
The
last
thing
I'll
say
is
that
I
have
never
been
a
big
fan
of
the
concept
in
our
zoning
ordinance
of
the
wedding
cake
that
is
congregating
all
the
tall
buildings
in
the
center
of
the
downtown,
where
we
have
them
now
massing
together.
B
I'd
like
the
Paris
approach,
a
little
bit
better,
which
is
moving
moving
the
taller
buildings
a
little
bit
further
away.
It
eliminates
the
wind
tunnel
concerned
about
Fountain
Square
and
adding
any
more
win
to
the
downtown.
Finally-
and
this
is
just
my
own
personal
preference-
a
glass
building
at
night
is
going
to
be
lit
up
like
a
flashlight
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
I'm
ready
for
that.
So
thank
you,
mr.
chair.
Those
are
my
comments
for
the
moment.
Hey.
A
I
Obviously,
we
really
need
a
Class
A
office
building
to
bring
vitality
and
I
think
I
mean
I
agree.
The
drive
drive
in
ATM
thingis
is
really
a
headache,
and
but
the
projects
really
gotten
rid
of
most
of
the
drive
in
reducing
seven
lanes
to
just
down
to
one
and
it's
adding
a
really
great
commercial
vitality
to
this
block,
which
has
been
you
know.
Well,
the
vacant
lot
has
been
vacant
and
then
the
drive
through
has
been
not
an
appealing
commercial
space.
I
The
parking
is
problematic
in
the
sense
that
it
isn't
providing
very
many
spaces,
but
I
think
it
trend.
The
trends
we're
hearing
about
for
parking
demand
in
the
future
is
all
in
this
direction
of
providing
less
and
less
on
site
and
encouraging
people
to
take
to
take
advantage
of
the
mass
transit.
The
public
transit
options
that
we
have
in
the
downtown.
I
Now
I
come
to
my
one
concern,
and
that
is
you
know
the
number
of
site
allowances
that
are
being
requested,
and
particularly
the
FA
are,
which
is
really
so
far
greater
than
anything
else
in
the
downtown
I.
Think
really
does
say
to
us
that
we
should
be
looking
really
closely
at,
at
least
at
least
in
my
view,
one
more
substantial
public
benefit
and
I
guess.
E
E
E
That
was
a
big
surprise
to
me,
so
I
think
a
glass
building
here,
in
contrast
to
the
black
chase
building,
will
will
be
very.
It
will
be
attractive
in
the
downtown,
but
I
do
think
that
as
aldermen
Ravel
says,
the
far
at
three
point
is
it.
13.5
is
very
much
denser
and
it
would
be
good
to
have
some
other
significant
additional
public
benefit.
I
like
the
idea
of
adding
to
the
affordable
housing
fund
I
like
the
idea
of
looking
at
a
viaduct,
which
are
always
a
problem
for
us.
E
So
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
that
from
the
developer
in
the
next
two
weeks,
but
otherwise,
I
I,
like
the
building
and
I,
think
that
we
do
need
these
this
office
space
I
all
also
agree
with
all
benefits
that
I
would
like
to
know
about
the
financing
picture
because,
as
we
all
know,
the
world
is
changing
every
24
hours,
so
I
do
think.
That's
an
important
fact
that
we
do
need
to
know
about
as
well.
Those
are
my
questions
all.
H
Jogging
my
memory
and
how
much
energy
and
effort
has
gone
into
addressing
the
initial
concerns
from
this
initial
development.
The
jobs
created
the
opportunity
for
local
contracting
on
the
job
site
and
and
the
design
that
my
colleagues
appreciate
the
bird-friendly
piece.
Anything
sustainable,
I
appreciate
its
downtown
and
it
seems
appropriate.
I
would
like
us
to
look
at
additional
public
benefit
and
I
think
that
I'm
hearing
that.
So
what
would
at
what
point?
Would
we
discuss
or
determine
the
public
benefit.
H
A
K
H
O
Think
now
is
the
time
to
discuss
public
benefits.
If
anybody
has
any
good
ideas,
I
think,
given
the
fact
that
it
has
been
20
years
since
an
office
building
has
been
built
in
downtown
Evanston.
Now
is
the
time
to
get
everything
off
her
chest
and
to
make
this
the
best
building
we
can
possibly
make
it
I
agree
with
everything
everybody
said
and
I
want
to
focus
on
what
alderman
Fisk
said
about
the
alley.
O
First
of
all,
the
ATM
is
a
drop-dead
issue.
It
had.
We
have
to
have
the
ATM,
these
people
can
have
the
building
and
if
we
don't
have
the
ATM,
so
let's
focus
on
the
alley.
I
think
that
if
the
alley
is
as
dangerous
or
potentially
as
dangerous
as
a
love
interest
says,
it
is
and
I
know
it's
a
busy
alley
and
I
know
those
children
are
dropped
off
and
picked
up
several
times
a
day
that
we
ought
to
require,
and
this
could
even
be
conceived
or
perceived
as
a
public
benefit
there.
O
There
needs
to
be
a
professional
quote,
unquote
crossing
guard
there
for
all
the
time.
During
the
day,
every
day
when
there
is
traffic-
and
we
certainly
can
determine
when
those
times
are
so
I
would
absolutely
require
that
and
I
think
the
glass
building
I
think
the
design
is
just
spectacular
and
I
agree
with
all
them
in
where
the
glass
building
at
night
at
Main
Street
is
really
quite
beautiful,
but
I
think
I
think
we
should
think
about
contributions
to
to
the
to
the
city's
general
fund.
O
Given
that
we
are
ten
million
dollars
in
debt
right
now,
based
on
koban
19,
we
have
a
reparations
program
and
in
progress.
Perhaps
the
developer
can
make
some
contribution.
There
I
think
I
think
committing
to
10
to
30%
jobs
for
permanent
jobs.
That's
what
they're
committing
to
who
knows
they
might
actually
have
50%.
So
all
those
things
are
good
and
the
viaduct
issue
is
absolutely
essential,
but
I
think
we
should
pursue
all
of
those
things,
but
the
the
Ally
we
need.
O
O
Making
an
amendment
that
that
they
come
back
with
I,
don't
even
know
if
it
has
to
be
I
because
I
think
everybody
should
have
to
it
with
but
agree
to
that
I
mean
there's.
You
can't
have
these
cars
coming
and
going
without
some
kind
of
protection
there
and
I
don't
think
a
traffic
signal
is
realistic.
I
think,
first
of
all,
I
think
a
professional
type
crossing
guard
and
not
one
that
we
hire
to
be
at
the
corner
of
bridge.
And
you
know
not
that
kind
of
question.
O
A
P
My
understanding
that
this
particular
ordinance
is
simply
for
introduction
this
evening,
so
there
is
still
time
for
it
to
be
amended
before
the
council
takes
action
and
I.
Don't
know
that
alderman
Rainey
needs
to
make
a
specific
motion
to
make
an
amendment
to
it.
It
hasn't
happened
so
far
in
my
tenure
here
with
city
when
there
have
been
changes
to
ordinances
after
they've
been
introduced
in
committee.
A
F
I
think
generally,
my
thoughts
when
Lionel
putting
takes
just
said
I
think
we
should
in
all
the
romanians,
it's
a
great
idea.
Everybody
struggled
with
this
issue
of
the
drive
through
certainly
the
drive
through
in
the
building.
It's
a
big
improvement
of
what
we
have
now.
So
we've
got
a
bunch
of
lanes.
It's
it's
it's!
It's
not
good.
It's
really
bad,
and
this
is
an
improvement.
So
it's
not
a
perfect
situation,
but
it's
a
significant
improvement.
F
So
if
we
can
have
our
engineers,
staff
I
think
they
should
also
be
in
communication
with
Bright
Starts
talk
about
their
hours
and
what
they
feel
like
they
would
need.
And
then
just
you
know,
loop,
the
developers
into
that
conversation
and
then
come
back
to
us
with
a
suggestion
on
what
the
people
that
use
the
alley
feel
like
what
would
work.
F
F
A
M
Me
see
that
luckily
it
tells
me
that
which
makes
this
a
little
bit
easier.
I
had
a
conversation
with
Sharon
Johnson.
We
talked
about
both
employment
during
construction
as
well
as
permanent
positions,
and
it
seemed
like
a
reasonable
number
that
we
could
strive
to
hit.
That
would
take
some
work
to
do
so,
I
think
as
I've
seen
it
drafted
in
other
ordinances.
M
H
Yes,
thank
you
so
I
want
I,
have
I,
have
a
lot
of
them.
Questions
and
recommendations
for
public
benefit,
so
I,
don't
know
that
that
we
have
the
discussion
now.
But
if
we
move
forward
being
it's
a
private
development
that
we
can't
enforce
their
compliance
with
local
and/or
can
we
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
enforce
it
and
I
would
be
looking
to
do
so.
I
wouldn't
want
a
situation
like
Robert
crown
where
we
are
millions
of
dollars.
H
It's
you
development
and
a
commitment
to
the
local
workforce,
and
then
we're
told
that
they're,
you
know
the
workforce
isn't
there
for
whatever
that
skill
set
is
of
job.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
Moving
forward,
as
we
make
recommendations
on
public
benefit
that
it
will
include
some
strong
commitment
for
local
hiring
local
contractors
on
the
development,
as
well
as
dollars
into
a
fund
to
be
determined.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
point.
A
K
A
B
A
A
Item
Picchu
is
Ordinances,
3800,
2013,
I,
know
20
and
47
Oh
20
moments
the
boards
committees
that
contains
the
plan,
Commission's,
EBA
and
design
and
other
compute
committee
staff
recommends
City
Council
adoption
of
ordinances,
3800,
2013
I,
know
2047
Oh
20.
What
changes
to
the
city
code
regarding
the
status
of
chair
of
the
CBA
and
plan
Commission,
the
inclusion
of
the
most
recently
adopted
comprehensive
plan
and
revisions
to
the
membership
on
the
design
project
committee.
This
is
for
introduction,
Thank.
H
A
B
I
I
think
running
these
public
hearings
for
plan
Commission
and
CBA.
These
are
really
complex
meetings
with
a
lot
of
different
phases
and
the
it
takes
a
real
skill,
I
think
to
run
these
meetings
then,
and
the
idea,
for
example,
that
the
chair
the
way
it's
currently
written
the
chair
could
be
a
new
chair
every
year
and
I
really
think
the
chair
of
those
two
bodies.
It
really
benefits.
I
If
that
person
has
the
experience
of
two
or
three
years
and
to
keep
keep
those
really
long
meetings
moving
along
smoothly
allowing
relevant
public
comment
at
the
appropriate
times,
it
just
I
think
making
sure
that
we
have
really
people
who
are
called
really
good
at
running
meetings
to
be
become.
The
chair
of
those
two
groups,
I
think
is,
would
be
really
helpful.
B
B
Thanks,
oh
no
thanks!
Well,
I
guess
my
my
concern
is
that
I'm
council
liaison
to
both
I
think
both
preservation
and
plan
commission,
but
I've
I've,
been
you
know,
playing
Commission
really
does
follow.
I
think
the
rule
is
fairly
well
and
I
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
what
this
says.
The
Commission,
which
is
we
don't
trust
you
guys
to
select
the
the
chair
that
you
all
have
a
have
agreed,
but
I'm,
just
I,
just
don't
think
I
feel
comfortable
with
the
sort
of
silent
message
that
sends
to
the
plan.
B
C
So
I
part
of
the
thinking
here
was
that
often
the
chair
is
sort
of
the
last
man
or
woman
standing
on
the
plank
Commission.
In
my
experience,
when
I
was
on
the
Planning
Commission,
it
went
to
somebody
who
had
served
on
the
Planning
Commission
for
the
longest
period
of
time,
so
you
will
often
then
had
somebody
cycling
off,
and
that
has
been
the
pattern
over
the
past
few
years.
Somebody
serves
for
one
year
as
the
chair
and
then
they're
off,
and
then
you
lose
that
sort
of
institutional
memory.
A
A
E
H
A
Those
no
I
will
be
the
no
on
that
one
all
right,
so
we
have
E
2
and
P.
3
are
done
item
p4
is
ordinance.
5200,
20,
special
use
for
a
plan
development
located
at
1555
Ridge
Avenue,
the
Plan
Commission
staff
recommended
option
of
ordinance,
5200
24
approval
of
a
special
use
for
a
plan.
Development
proposal
includes
the
following
site:
development
allowances,
118
foot
setback
along
North,
problematic,
15
feet
is
required
for
dwelling
units
to
the
landscaping
or
a
10-foot
transition.
Landscape.
A
F
O
A
R
R
I'll
go
first,
my
name's
Tom
Miller
with
principal
of
Michigan
Avenue
real
estate
group,
and
we
have
been
in
the
apartment
development
business.
For
a
long
time
of
the
last
eight
years,
we've
have
been
building
alternatives
to
high-rises,
which
are
mid-rise
buildings.
Mid
rise
is
not
a
novel
concept,
but
we
don't
invest
in
amenities.
R
We
found
that
there's
a
subset
of
renting
people
who
prefer
more
subdued
lifestyle,
so
we
invest
more
heavily
in
the
interiors
and
in
the
finishes,
and
these
aren't
luxury
units,
if
you
will,
but
they
are
buildings
with
a
strong
focus
on
where
people
spend
most
of
their
time.
We
also
strive
to
get
close
to
one
at
one
arking,
even
though
there's
a
lot
of
TOD
discussions.
These
days
we
found
people
still
need
cars
and
we
provide
a
very
hands-on
concierge
type
of
property
management
service.
When
we
started
our
Lori,
we
move
to
the
next
s.
R
Okay.We
you
want
to
go
when,
when
we
begin
our
development,
conceptualizing
we've
looked
at
how
we
would
line
up
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
and
we
saw
that
there
was
a
good
degree
of
alignment
these.
These
are
the
points
that,
within
the
plan
that
we
put
our
building
against
if
you've
got
to
go
to
the
next
slide
to
our.
R
Similarly,
with
the
downtown
plan,
we're
building
a
five-story
68
unit
apartment
building
on
a
parking
lot,
that
is
not,
in
our
view
of
the
appropriate,
appropriate
use
for
this
location
within
the
city,
and
the
downtown
plan
recommends
a
sixty
eight
story,
building
we're
actually
building
a
a
five-story
68
unit,
multifilament
building.
So
we
felt
we
had
a
good
alignment
with
both
that
downtown
plan
and
the
comprehensive
plan
with
that
I'm
gonna
turn
over
the
meeting
over
to
our
architect,
Jay
Keller.
K
Q
H
Q
Ahead
and
just
explain
a
little
bit,
you
know
obviously
Jay
is
the
architect
and
was
planning
on
going
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
picture,
but
I'm
sure
we
can
handle
any
detailed
questions
at
the
end.
If
there
are
any,
but
this
slide
shows
our
site
location,
you
can
see
us
there
at
the
corner
of
bridge
and
grow
it's
a
bit
of
a
gateway
to
the
downtown,
so
we're
hoping
to
an
attractive
building.
Q
H
Q
Very
committed
actually
providing
as
much
green
space
as
possible
on
their
sites
and
then
one
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
you'll
see
on
the
north
side.
There's
a
very
small
but
the
view
that's
a
fact.
Initially
that
was
just
paved,
but
we
decided
to
put
a
little
bit
more
landscaping.
Some
feedback
from
the
residents
to
the
north,
and
that
was
well
well
received
a
plan,
a
mission
and
there's
a
more
detailed
site
plan
on
the
next
slide.
So
I
will
go
through
so
here
you'll
see
the
more
detailed
site
plan.
Q
The
green
again
shows
the
landscape
setbacks
and
the
pink
is
our
ground
floor
unit
which
we
put
into
the
plan
after
feedback
from
dapper,
indicating
that
they
wanted
us
to
activate
the
ground
floor.
So
you'll
see
there
is
a
front
door
there
on
Ridge
for
that
clone
unit,
as
well
as
a
patio
for
that
resident.
That
is
a
1-bedroom
unit
and
the
addition
of
that
unit
also
induce
us
to
consolidate
one
of
the
rooms
on
the
upper
floors
and
we'll
show
you
that
as
well
but
you'll
see
here,
a
majority
of
the
parking
is
internal.
Q
There
are
14
parking
spaces,
external
tools
of
the
external
parking
spaces
are
reserved
for
West
parking,
and
then
we
have
an
exterior
loading
space
right
off
of
the
alley
there.
That
is
20
10
25
feet.
It's
one
of
our
development
allowances.
We've
asked
that
that
is
reduced
because
we
do
not
expect
to
have
any
any
loading
vehicles
that
are
larger
than
that
25.
The
horn
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
myself
but
James
J,
says
I
said
that
he's
still
getting
the
same
error
message:
I,
don't
know
what
Anatole.
C
Q
Yeah
I
just
add
something
to
that,
and
now
my
okay,
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
keep
going.
Let
me
see
if
there's
anything
more.
Oh,
the
other
thing
that
I
should
point
out
here
is
this
bump
out.
We
added
this
bump
out
here.
That
was
also
based
on
feedback
from
the
community
because
they
were
dealing
with
folks
turning
very
quickly
on
the
road
from
bridge
and
they
wanted.
Q
You
know
something
to
prevent
that
and
it's
stealing
from
girls
to
Ridge
and
then
also
to
prevent
vehicles
from
stopping
at
that
corner
and
causing
traffic
issues
there.
So
hopefully
that
bump
that
will
help
help
that
situation
a
little
bit
and
then
you'll
see
that
access
on
Grove,
that's
where
the
package
room
is
etc.
Our
plan
is
to
encourage
delivery
vehicles
to
use
the
visitor
spaces
to
divert
that
kind
of
traffic
control.
They
understand
that's
a
very
sensitive
area
over
the
neighbors.
Q
We
can
also
suggest
that
potentially
asking
our
property
manager,
we
have
a
plan
for
our
property
manager.
There's
a
lady
Tom
mentioned
to
help
schedule
moving
moving
in
times
you
know
sort
of
off-peak
hours
during
the
day,
so
that,
if
delivery
vehicles
do
have
the
ability
to
use
a
living
space
on
that,
it
will
be
able
to
do
that.
But,
of
course
you
know
having
moves
schedule
will
allow
the
property
manager
to
prevent
folks
from
blocking
that
loading
space.
In
the
event,
a
move
is
scheduled
so
that
we
don't
have
additional
traffic
blocking
that
alley.
Q
C
Q
Q
Q
Q
So
it's
mostly
two-bedroom
units.
There
are
a
few
ones
and
studios
as
well,
and
this
is
our
rendering
you'll
see
the
landscaping.
You'll
see
the
bump-out
and
you'll
see
the
large
windows,
both
along
rage
and
growth.
Those
were
also
additions
that
we
made
based
on
people
ever
because
they
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
close
friend
to
just
look
at
you
know
friendly
pedestrians,
that
we
didn't
have
small
windows.
Q
They
will
be
glazed,
however,
so
that
goes
straight
into
a
parking
garage
and
do
we
have
some
more?
Are
we
doing
whatever
elevations?
The
elevations
were
also
amended
significantly
through
the
Becker
process
and
through
conversations
with
Historical
Preservation
folks,
there
used
to
be
partitions
between
the
balconies.
Those
were
removed
to
keep
the
you
know
facade
a
little
bit
cleaner.
Q
Q
Q
A
Q
Is
a
very
little
bit
more:
we
just
art
we're
gonna
go
through
project
data
in
the
site,
development
allowances
and
our
benefits
so
I'll
skip
through
this.
You
guys
already
know
the
details
of
the
project.
Sixty
eight
units-
it's
you
know
fifty
seven
part
in
spaces,
etc.
But
I'll
talk
about
our
site
development
allowances,
we're
asking
for
two
development
allowances.
Q
One
is
I
already
mentioned
the
loading
space
from
35
to
25
feet,
which
we
think
is
more
than
adequate
for
the
size
of
trucks
that
we
expect
for
the
movements
that
we
see
in
many
of
our
buildings
and
then
the
other
is
to
reduce
the
north
side,
set
back
from
the
required
10
feet
to
3.
Excuse
me
15
feet
degree
and
to
eliminate
the
10-foot
landscape
setback.
So
just
one
important
detail
here
is
that
this
was
another
kind
of
element
in
this
zoning
district.
A
resin.
S
R
I
tell
you
what
the
rest
of
the
presentation
talked
about
the
the
changes
that
we
made.
It's
a
request
of
dapper
and
with
public
comment,
and
then
we
talked
about
our
public
benefits
and
that
very
quickly.
The
project
specific
benefits
are
the
three
affordable
units
that
we'll
be
providing
five
hundred
twenty-five
thousand
dollars
into
the
exclusionary
fund.
Real
estate
taxes
are
going
to
increase
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
we
are
also
doing.
R
We're
gonna
honor
the
monarch
pledge
which,
at
a
cost
of
about
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
an
Andale
maintenance
of
$2,500,
we're
putting
seven
exterior
bicycle
spaces,
we're
contributing
$20,000
to
Alexander,
Park
or
whatever
Evanston
decides,
is
more
appropriate.
The
bump-out
is
an
eight
thousand
dollar
expenditure.
We're
gonna
replace
the
alley
from
Grove
to
Davis
at
a
cost
of
about
twenty
thousand
dollars
and
then
we're
gonna,
add
some
striping
so
that
that
was
the
the
rest
of
the
presentation,
we'll
cut
it
off
and
turn
it
over
to
you
for
questions
all.
F
Not
so
much
questions
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
a
couple
of
things
that
have
kind
of
evolved
through
the
course
of
the
process
and
the
big
concern
I
guess
I
wanted
to
raise
was
the
issue
with
regard
to
parking
and
I
understand
where
the
prior
committees
were
coming
from.
With
regard
to
the
desirability
of
a
more
act,
it
was
sweet,
scape
and
such
but
really,
what's
of
probably
the
biggest
concern
for
neighbors
and
residents
in
the
area
is
the
concerns
about
the
parking.
F
So
what
I
would
like
to
see
happen
and
I
think
what
makes
the
most
sense
and
having
you
know.
You
really
think
about
it.
Intuitively
having
a
ground
floor
unit
that
faces
Ridge
and
has
a
little
patio
facing
Ridge.
That's
you
know
I
wouldn't
want
to
hang
out
like
on
ranch.
You
know
it
just
kind
of
really
imagine
how
that's
gonna
be
a
particularly
desirable
space
for
somebody
all
in
and
I
think
what
makes
the
most
sense
would
be
to
do.
F
We
capture
those
parking
spaces
that
were
otherwise
lost,
so
I
would
like
to
see
the
proposal
go
back
to
you
know
the
with
the
redesign
the
look
appearance.
All
that's
appreciated,
wouldn't
change
that,
but
just
to
kind
of
take
that
ground
floor
unit
back
out,
replace
it
with
those
parking
spaces
as
part
one
and
the
other
thing
would
be
historically.
What
we're
seeing
is
buildings
that
are
fully
compliant
for
parking
end
up
with
extra
spaces
so,
rather
than
require
the
developer
to
come
back
at
a
later
point
in
time.
F
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
build
into
this
ordinance
permission
to
rent
spaces
that
are
not
otherwise
rented
by
the
tenants
to
people
in
the
neighborhood.
The
building
is
replacing
an
existing
parking
lot
so
to
the
extent
that
they
do
end
up
with
extra
spaces.
I
think
they've
likely
will
I
would
want
them
to
have
the
ability
to
go
ahead
and
rent
those
to
two
neighboring
residents
too.
To
kind
of
take
some
of
that
burden
off,
so
I
would
like
to
make
and
Tom
you're
not
in
your
head.
I
F
And
so
we're
transparent
going
into
the
next
thing.
This
is
for
introduction.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
at
this
point
to
to
change
those
two
things
so
I
would
move
that
we
have
the
developer,
take
out
the
ground
floor
unit,
replace
it
with
the
prior
parking
and
also
that
they'd
be
granted
permission
to
rent
unused
spaces
to
residents
living
in
the
neighborhood.
F
A
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D
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Basically,
my
public
comment
is
that
I
think
that
it's
pretty
misguided
right
now
for
the
city
to
be
discussing
planned
developments
because
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
global
pandemic
and
the
focus
of
most
of
infinity
now
is
on
the
crisis
and
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
being
very
open
and
transparent,
I
mean
I,
get
that
you
want
to
have
meetings
still,
but
the
I
mean
how
many
couples
have
had,
probably
not
that
many
since
you've
gone
to
virtual
and
I
don't
well
the
access,
the
internet,
the
access
to
zoom
is
it's
very
limited.
S
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
very
inclusive
and
if
you're
trying
to
ramrod
three
developments
right
now
in
the
midst
of
a
global
pandemic,
just
to
try
to
attack,
you
have
a
projected
ten
and
a
half
million
dollar
deficit.
That's
severely
misguided
and
also
a
lot
of
these
developments
are
not
providing
a
lot
of
public
benefits
and
they
are
asking
for
a
lot
of
major
variances
which,
as
you
know,
you
that's
just
crazy
I
mean
you
should
be
asking
for
a
lot
more
we're.
In
the
midst
of
a
global
pandemic,
people
are
losing
jobs.
S
A
K
F
F
O
G
K
A
Alright,
so
item
p5
is
Orbitz
4200
20
extending
the
time
for
the
applicant
to
obtain
a
building
permit
there,
24
25,
open
street
staff,
recommends
City
Council
adoption
of
awareness,
4220,
granting
approval
plan
development
to
24
25
open
street
for
a
car
wash
usually
approved.
I
have
a
22nd
from
19
jörgen
through
grant.
An
extension
of
one
year
for
building
permits
were
issued
in
construction
begin.
No
other
changes
to
the
existing
plan.
Common
are
proposed.
The
interim
city
manager
recompense
suspension
of
the
rules
for
introduction,
an
action
at
the
April
13th
2022
council
meeting.
A
O
K
K
F
A
C
P
I
actually
was
I'm
looking
for
guidance
from
the
city
manager's
office
as
well
on
that
on
that,
to
answer
your
questions,
alderman
Simmons,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
as
we
move
forward,
given
that
the
governor
has
given
permission
for
us
to
operate
in
this
fashion.
For
now
that
we
intend
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
the
legislative
agenda
or
City
Council.
P
H
How
are
we
determining
what
we're
cancelling
so
we're?
Having
only
standing,
City,
Council
standing
committee
meetings
and
no
other
committee
meetings
specifically
like
we'd,
cancel
reparation
meetings
because
of
the
you
know,
shelter
in
place,
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
it
virtually
the
responses
we're
only
having
essential
meetings.