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A
A
C
D
A
Okay
with
that
I'd
like
could
somebody
please
move
to
approve
the
minutes.
E
A
The
minutes
have
been
approved
with
that.
We'll
move
to
public
comment,
first
public
comment
and
maybe
only
is
Jim.
B
F
Okay,
thank
you
for
letting
me
in
here
I'm
Sue,
lollbach,
with
connections
for
the
homeless
and
speaking
to
the
licensing
issue.
That's
up
for
discussion
today.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
evanston's
zoning
code
is
really
due
for
an
overhaul.
This
will
be
a
really
big
project,
including
a
close
look
at
the
zoning
map.
Land
use
definitions,
what
can
be
built
in
each
district
and
the
procedures
for
variations
in
the
meantime,
there
are
certain
new
needs
that
the
current
code
cannot
accommodate
and
for
which
changes
will
need
to
be
made.
F
The
license
for
shared
housing
is
one
such
change.
The
ordinance
being
proposed
tonight
addresses
one
small
piece
of
all
the
code
that
surrounds
who
can
live,
where
the
staff
have
designed
this
change.
To
do
two
things.
The
first
is
that
the
requirement
for
an
operating
agreement
that
defines
the
details
of
operations
for
a
licensed
facility
provides
for
flexibility.
It
allows
the
ordinance
to
accommodate
New
Uses
that
require
licenses
without
imposing
undue
burden
on
uses
that
shouldn't
require
a
license.
F
This
type
of
an
overhaul
is
something
that
should
be
done
along
with
a
complete
overhaul
of
the
city
code,
so
that
the
Redundant,
outdated
and
inequitable
Zoning
Provisions
can
be
eliminated
and
new
code
put
in
place
to
support
the
new
comprehensive
plan
that's
being
developed.
We
hope
that
you
will
accept
our
actually
you're,
not
making
a
decision
tonight,
but
discussing
it.
F
We
hope
that
you
will,
when
you
make
a
decision
later
on
in
city
council,
except
the
ordinance
being
proposed,
it
will
meet
an
immediate
need
not
currently
covered
by
the
existing
code,
and
the
analysis
that
has
gone
into
this
ordinance
will
contribute
to
the
ultimate
revision
of
the
code
on
a
more
comprehensive
basis.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
Jim
janicki.
G
A
G
Sorry,
yes,
let
me
start
I
mean
I
only
have
three
minutes
here.
This
is
about
what
P1
yeah
my
name
is
Jim
Janice
I
live
in
the
ninth
ward,
about
two
blocks
from
this
particular
property.
G
1600
Monroe
well,
I
do
not
have
any
issues
with
the
property
in
question
being
used
for
the
purpose
intended.
I
do
have
three
concerns
that
I
would
like
to
quickly
address
number
one,
the
issue
of
this
property
being
used
for
the
purpose.
This
purpose
came
up
recently
on
next
door,
which
is
a
hyper
local
social
media
site.
G
The
person
who
is
apparently
a
next
door
neighbor
to
this
property,
expressed
concerns
about
the
landlord
and
the
condition
of
the
property
asking
others
to
come
forward
and
express
their
concerns
at
the
February
13th
pnd
meeting
when
this
was
originally
scheduled,
they
provided
a
photograph
of
the
postcard
that
was
sent
out.
I
cannot
say
whether
her
concerns
were
valid
or
not.
What
did
concern
me
was
the
reaction
of
the
property
owner
to
those
concerns.
G
Initially,
there
was
no
comment
by
the
property
owner.
Instead,
when
someone
else
made
a
reply
or
comment
that
insulted
or
belittled
the
woman
making
the
initial
complaint,
mostly
along
the
lines
of
why
don't
you
just
mind
your
own
business,
the
property
owner
would
like
those
comments
and
then,
when
someone
called
her
a
Karen,
the
property
owner
decided
to
react
with
a
laughing
emoji.
G
G
This
came
up
at
a
ninth
ward
meeting
several
years
ago
and
the
epd
officer
for
our
area
explained
that
the
primary
issues
of
concern
were
caused
by
transient
residents.
They
were
referring
to
people
who
apparently
traveled
to
stay
with
residents
in
that
immediate
area,
and
they
would
stay
for
months
at
a
time.
Basically,
they
would
just
hang
out
with
nothing
to
do
and
eventually
got
into
fights
or
cause
trouble
in
other
ways,
such
as
discharging
firearms
again.
G
I,
don't
think
this
property
will
attract
those
types
of
people,
but
I
think
the
property
owner
needs
to
understand
how
their
property
fits
into
the
context
of
the
area
with
its
history
and
be
willing
to
work
with
any
concerns
that
residents
have
both
now
and
in
the
future
number
three.
The
application
requires
the
name
of
quote
unit
owners
if
partnership,
Corporation
or
other
entity
include
its
name
and
the
name
of
the
responsible
party.
G
In
conclusion,
we
have
run
a
similar
vacation
rental
property
on
our
two
flat
for
about
five
years
now,
while
it
is
two
blocks
away,
we
don't
consider
1600
Monroe
to
be
competition.
It
is
instead
a
compliment
to
our
place
and
also
to
the
others
in
the
area,
but
we
care
a
great
deal
about
our
neighbors
and
do
our
best
to
address
any
concerns
they
may
have
with
our
transient
guests.
Not
doing
so
would
create
problems
not
only
for
us
but
for
everyone
around
us
operates
a
similar
business.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
H
E
So
I
I'll
speak
to
this
item,
so
I
first
became
aware
of
this
through
the
postcard,
and
this
has
been
delayed
a
couple
weeks.
We
were
originally
supposed
to
hear
this
on
the
13th
and
now
it's
before
us
now
so
there's
some
questions
about
the
property
and
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
residents
who've
reached
out
to
me
via
email.
One
of
the
things
I've
done
is
I've
spoken
to
Evanston
Police
Department.
E
You
know.
I
have
some
mixed
feelings
about
the
VRBO
situation
in
general.
I
think
you
know,
in
this
case
the
lambrose
Holdings
they're,
following
all
the
rules
and
I
think
by
licensing
and
following
the
rules
and
going
through
the
process.
There
being
a
better
neighbor
than
a
lot
of
places
that
are
just
operating
under
on
without
being
licensed.
E
That
being
said,
I
think
there.
You
know,
a
lot
of
us
here
on
Council
are
really
concerned
about
affordable
housing
and
I.
Think
you
know,
VRBO
Market
is
a
new
thing
that
I
think
is
affecting
our
rents
and
we
don't
really
understand
completely
how
that's
happening,
and
so
I
think
this
is
something
we
should.
Probably
you
know
in
the
future.
Take
a
deeper
dive
into
and
address.
You
know
kind
of
concerns
around.
You
know,
density
of
VRBO
licensing
and
that's
that's
a
whole
other
different
discussion
that
we
should
have
in
the
future.
E
But
given
the
fact
that
they're
following
the
rules-
and
this
is
what
the
rules
the
way
they
stand
right
now,
I'm
in
support
of
approving
it
tonight,
I
think
it'll
be
better,
that
they're
licensed
and
operating.
You
know
the
full
cooperation
of
the
city
rather
than
not
so.
H
A
I
would
like
to
see
us
move
forward
with
with
a
deeper
discussion
on
that
and
establishing
some
zoning
ordinances
with
re.
With
regard
to
that,
any.
H
E
A
Any
opposed,
okay,
the
motion
passes.
Okay,
we'll
now
move
to.
We
have
I
think
that's
it
for
Action
items.
We
now
move
to
P1
items
for
and
I'm
sorry
discussion,
item
D1.
Would
somebody
like
to
move
item
D1.
A
I'll,
second,
that,
okay,
so
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
the
discussion
of
lodging
establishments
I'm
sorry!
Yes,
the
lodging
establishments,
the
discussion
of
the
ordinance
to
create
the
shared
housing
ordinance.
D
C
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
comments,
I
do
have
a
few
comments.
I
ask
that
this
be
placed
on
the
agenda.
I
do
feel
very
deeply
that
this
needs
more
vetting,
I'm
very
discouraged
that
it
has
been
moved
as
a
special
order
of
business.
This
is
a
serious
change
to
our
zoning
and
I
first
want
to
say
right
out.
A
That,
in
fact,
does
you
know,
as
Miss
lolba
pointed
out,
creates
a
uniform
licensing
for
anything
from
transitional
treatment
facility
to
a
hotel.
We
should
have
standards,
I
feel
for
all
hotels.
We
should
have
standards
for
dormitories.
We
should
have
standards
for
transitional
shelters,
so
I'm
very
concerned
that
now
we're
looking
at
creating
individual
operating
agreements
for
every
single
one
of
these
I'm,
not
really
clear
that
we
have
this
staff
for
this
and
I'm
not
really
clear
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
this
in
an
equitable
way.
So
I
do
have
deep
concerns.
A
I
appreciate
the
article
that
was
written
by
somebody
who
is
a
a
nationally
known
expert
in
affordable
housing
and
group
housing,
and
he
pointed
out
some
of
the
you
know
some
of
the
very
serious
potholes,
as
he
said
deaf
enough
to
swallow.
A
tractor-trailer
in
here
that
it's
grossly
inadequate
and
I
know
I'm,
going
to
stand
alone
and
I'm,
probably
not
going
to
get
any
support
in
this,
but
I
don't
feel
we're
proceeding
in
a
responsible
way
on
this.
So
I
did
want
this
this
moment
to
discuss
this
I
feel
that
we
needed.
A
We
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
impact
would
be
again
as
as
Ms
flax
pointed
out.
There's
no
other
City
doing
this
and
I
agree.
I
absolutely
want
to
move
forward
with
zoning
and
ordinances
that
create
more
affordability
in
our
city
without
undermining
stability.
We
can
do
both
but
I'm
concerned
that
this
is
being
rushed
through.
A
This
should
not
have
been
a
special
or
business
I'm
also
concerned
that
this
is,
you
know,
special
legislation
where
we
are
creating
zoning
ordinance
or
a
licensing
ordinance
I
understand
it's,
not
zoning
and
Licensing
ordinance,
based
on
the
needs
of
a
particular
group.
It's
being
rushed
through
that
has
been
stated.
Nobody
will
doubt
that
so
so
I
just
want
to
State.
Those
are
my
concerns.
A
I
am
disappointed
that
we
are
especially
given
that
now
the
proposal
for
the
use
of
the
margarita
Inn
has
been
pushed
back.
I
feel
like
we
should
be
taking
more
time
to
better
understand
and
really
look
at
potential
impacts
from
this
I
I.
Don't
think
we're
proceeding
in
a
responsible
manner.
So
thank
you.
C
C
So
one
I
appreciate
the
recognition
that
our
staff
has
a
lot
on
their
plates.
Coming
from
you
and
so
I
appreciate
that,
can
you
I
am
curious,
because
I
I
hear
your
concerns,
and
so
what
I
I
would
disagree
with
the
categorization
that
this
was
rushed.
But
what
is
a
responsible
manner
to
move
forward.
A
To
have
this
go
through
committee
through
committee
and
also
not
to
be
so.
This
should
go
through
committee.
I
also
think
that
I
am
concerned
that
we
have
created
special
legislation
that
we
are
crafting
an
ordinance
in
order
to
accommodate
the
needs
that
Margaret
in
I
think
it
should
be.
Everybody
knows
this
is
a
transitional
shelter.
A
A
We
need
to
develop
our
transitional
shelter
code
right
now,
but
I
think
it
might
say
one
year
we
can
certainly
amend
that
to
say
two
years
and
improve
the
oversight
and
everything
else
so
I
think.
Certainly
this
shouldn't,
because
what
happens
when
you
have,
as
we
all
know,
a
special
order
of
business,
it
means
it
skips
it
bypasses
committee
and
then
it
means
it
can't
be
held.
If
we
have
questions
and
that's
it
so
tonight,
it
will
pass
and
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
deep
concern.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you
ever
follow
up
so
and
I
will
I
see
it's
6,
24
I!
Don't
want
to
make
a
start
Council
late
for
this,
but
it
is
here
for
discussion.
Now
it's
not
for
Action
here.
So
can
you
name
some
of
the
specific
concerns
that
you
have.
A
A
Operating
agreements
for
every
single
entity,
I,
don't
think
we
have
the
staff
to
do
that
and
to
do
it
equitably.
I'm
concerned
that
we
could
face
lawsuits,
because
we
might
write
one
operating
ordinance
for
one
hotel
and
tweak
in
another
one,
because
you
know
staff's
going
to
change
in
every
single
one
of
these
items
listed.
You
know
we
have
transitional
treatment
facilities,
shelter
for
abuse
persons,
congregate,
housing,
rooming,
House,
Shelter,
Care,
Home,
transitional
shelter,
apartment
hotel,
hotel,
dormitory
boarding
house.
A
All
of
these
are
going
to
get
rather
than
being
held
to
a
standard
which
I
think
is
incredibly
important,
that
hotels
are
held
to
a
standard
which
is
in
a
license.
Each
one
is
going
to
get
its
individualized
operating
agreement.
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
responsible
way.
I
also
think
we
are
since
we're.
You
know
trailblazing
on
this.
We
this
absolutely
deserves
more
time.
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
A
C
For
staff,
if
anyone
is
able
or
willing
to
respond
to
this
I
am
curious.
Who
is
there
somebody
on
staff
that
can
so
with
the
operating
agreements?
I'll
start
with
that
one?
Would
the
Law
Department
be
handling
the
the
negotiation
or
the
accepting
of
the
operating
agreements.
D
Through
our
Property
Standards
department,
so
just
to
clarify
this
ordinance
is
a
change
to
a
license
in
our
Property
Standards
code.
This
is
not
part
of
the
zoning
code.
I
know
that
was
mentioned
earlier
on
public
comment.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that,
so
this
is
a
license
specifically
going
to
the
property
standards
of
these
shared
housing
facilities.
So
the
purpose
is
to
monitor
for
Property
Standards
violations.
So
that's
where
this
license
really,
you
know,
is
created
and
where
it
will
stay
with
the
city's
Department.
D
D
For
the
first
time,
all
of
those
operating
agreements
will
come
to
the
city
council
for
approval
and
and
that's
in
the
ordinance
so
it
it
will
be
something
that's
looked
at,
and
then
it
comes
to
the
city
council
for
approval,
and
then
each
year
it
will
be
up
for
annual
renewal
and
that'll,
be
something
that
Property
Standards
is
able
to
do
an
inspection
and
ensure
that
they're
operating
within
the
license
ordinance
and
within
the
operating
agreement.
And
then
the
ordinance
provides
for
certain
standards
to
have
that
license.
Revoked.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you
very
much
and
then
Sarah
as
the
interim
director
of
of
community
community
development,
whose
Department
this
would
flow
through.
Do
you
believe
your
staff,
because
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
put
something
on
your
staff
that
you
can
handle?
So
do
you
believe
your
staff
is
able
to
handle
the
well
one?
Let
me
ask
these
operation
operating
agreements
will
be
created
by
the
operator,
correct
and
then
given
to
staff,
or
is
there
some
negotiation
back
and
forth
and
then
the
real
question
is:
is
your
staff
able
to
handle
that.
B
The
thank
you,
the
each
applicant
will
develop
their
own
operating
agreement.
Obviously
we
have
to
look
at
it
and
see
that
it
provides
us
the
information
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
know
how
they
plan
to
operate
and.
D
B
That
it
would
be
something
that
we
can
monitor
against.
The
vast
number
of
existing
properties
that
fall
under
this
are
dormitories
and
we
will
have
existing
shared
housing,
provide
us
with
operating
agreements.
But
those
won't
come
to
city
council,
because
those
are
already
established,
organizations
that
are
doing
running.
I
B
Houses
most
of
these
facilities
are
actually
dormitories
at
Northwestern
University
and
they
obviously
have
those
policies
and
procedures.
We
don't
expect.
There
will
be
a
ton
of
these
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
can
handle
working
with
the
law
department.
So.
B
Correct
one
of
the
things
we
have
right
now
is
all
of
these
types
of
shared
housing
or
of
lodging
establishments
are
currently
licensed
under
the
same
license
without
any
explanation
of
how
they
operate
or
how
they
differ
from
each
other.
So
that's
not
something
that
we've
established,
that's
something
that
was
already
in
our
code
that
we
saw
as
a
shortcoming,
because
it
really
gives
us
no
way
to
Monitor
and
maintain
operations
according
to
what
we
expect
of
whatever
the
facility
is.
Thank.
C
You
and
so
to
chair,
Kelly,
In
fairness,
I
hope.
You
know
one
I'm
hearing
from
staff
and
from
the
director
that
staff
has
the
capacity
to
handle
this
and
I'm
hearing
that
because
of
these
individualized
operating
agreements
that
will
come
to
council.
This
really
isn't
a
one-size-fits
at
all,
and
so
I
think
your
two
main
concerns
are
addressed
there
and
then,
lastly,
for
staff,
under
the
ordinance
under
our
current
regulations,
right
this
isn't
just
about
the
margarita,
and
this
will
affect
much
more
than
the
Margaret
Inn.
C
C
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Reed,
so
first
it
is
a
one
size
fit
all.
It
is
a
shared
housing
ordinance
that
does
encompass
all
of
those
entities
that
I
described
and
and
there's
no
standards,
so
we're
not
describing
standards
that
hotels
are
held
to
we're
not
describing
standards
that
a
transitional
treatment
facility
is
held
to.
Instead
we're
going
to
be
riding
these
individualized
ones,
which
are
going
to
come
back
every
single
one
to
council.
Also,
and
it's
going
to
be
there,
how
do
we
know
they're
not
going
to
be
issues
with
Equity?
A
How
that
we
might
just
you
know
one
one
hotel
might
have
a
different
operating
ordinance
than
another
might
end
up
saying.
Why
did
you
know
you
write
this
one
I
think
what
we're
doing
staff
and,
by
the
way,
Miss
Flack
said
she
thought
we
probably
could
we
really
don't
know.
This
is
again
we're
venturing
a
new
terrain,
and
this
is
a
special
or
a
business.
This
is
not
the
way
to
proceed
responsibly
with
the
city
changing
so
drastically
changing
a
licensing
ordinance.
A
This
to
me
is
is
Reckless
Behavior,
and
this
should
take
time
to
vet
this.
We
should
take
time
to
look
at
the
impact
to
really
assess
the
hours
that
are
going
to
be
involved
in
writing.
Every
single,
separate
operating
agreement,
as
well
as
potential
impact
on
liabilities
for
variations
between
those
and
again
we
should
have
standards.
We
should
have
standards
that
hotels
expect
to
meet.
There
should
be
licensing
standards,
health
treatment
facilities
should
have
a
licensing.
We
have
that.
A
Currently,
maybe
we
need
to
develop
those
more,
but
we
certainly
should,
if
you're,
if
you're,
you
know
a
treatment
center,
you
should
be
right.
Now
you
have
to
apply
for
a
license,
so
I
don't
think
we're
again.
I
feel
that
this
is
very
much
like
special
legislation.
It
has
been
stated
that
we're
rushing
this
in
order
to
accommodate
a
proposal
for
a
use
at
the
margarita,
Inn
and
and
again,
I
will
just
reiterate,
I'm
deeply
concerned
with
the
way
we're
we're
moving
forward.
So
I
realize
it's
now,
6
34.
I
Burns,
director
of
Feist,
do
you
know
how
many
facilities
currently
fall
under
this
category
of
shared
housing.
I
And
then
in
how
many
new
ones
do
we
get
a
year,
that's
probably
hard
to
answer,
because
we
don't
get
many
of
them
a
year.
So
it's
probably
like
how
many
did
we
get
every
five
or
ten
years.
I
Just
wanted
to
highlight
that,
just
from
looking
at
all
the
facilities
that
fall
on
these
categories,
I
don't
think
that
these
are
easy
to
get
approved
in
any
City.
I
think
these
are.
These
are
facilities
that
communities
are
usually
going
to
come
out
as
we've
seen
even
with
this
issue
and
come
out
to
the
nail
and
try
to
rally
against
and
so
I
think.
I
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
speak
to
the
question
of
timing
and
the
allegation
that
this
is
a
rushed
process
and
point
out
that
the
discussion
we're
having
tonight
is
a
direct
kind
of
evolution
of
a
referral
I
made
on
May
19th
of
last
year.
So
we're
going
on
nine
months
and
eight
days
that
is,
it
doesn't
seem
like
rushing
it
to
me.
This.
H
H
This
is
an
evolution
of
what
happened.
What
was
originally
initiated
in
May.
A
We
don't
have
currently
the
standards
for
suspending
and
terminating
licenses.
There's
so
much
missing
in
this
I
I
would
just
hope
that
council
members
would
do
due
diligence
to
insist
that
all
of
those
gate-
gaping
portions
that
are
not
in
here-
that
we
take
the
time
to
to
be
sure
if
we're
going
to
trailblaze
with
such
a
new
program.
If
it
really
isn't
on
special
legislation,
which
I
think
we
can
all
acknowledge
that
it
is
council,
member
Reed.
C
J
Great
question:
Liz
Williams,
Planning
and
Zoning
manager
so
as
it
relates
to
specific
standards
for
issuing
license
section,
525
and
526
of
the
proposed
ordinance
layout
and
inspection
requirement
and
standards
for
issuance
of
the
license
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
what
actions
violate
the
ordinance
section
527
lays
out
standards
for
poor
performance
and
what
that
is.
According
to
this
particular
ordinance.
In
addition,
section
5-2-11
talks
about
violations,
section
5-2-12
talks
about
the
process
for
revoking
licenses
and
section
5
214
lays
out
the
penalties
for
violating
the
ordinance
which.
C
A
C
A
Again,
we
can
continue
this
at
Council
if
we'd,
like.
A
Know
this
is
going
to
come
up
again
and
it
will
come
up
again
so
I'm
fine,
with
carrying
on
my
comments
at
Council.
A
Okay,
all
right,
then,
with
that
I
think
that's
our
last
item.
A
Okay,
well
with
that,
will
someone
move
a
German.