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A
A
Let's
see
and
could
you
take
roll?
Thank
you.
D
D
A
A
Two
minutes:
it's
45
minutes;
I
thought
it
would
be
three
right:
okay,
okay,
it's
two
minutes
person
and
we're
beginning
with
Roberta
Hudson.
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
Roberta
Hudson
and
speaking
tonight,
against
the
ordinance
26
I
believe
for
1801
Church
Street.
F
We
met
for
every
month
at
Fleetwood
jardane
as
many
as
40
some
people
at
the
meetings
a
month
for
over
20
some
years
and
Our
concern
now.
Is
that
again
you're
putting
in
place
of
programs
that
will
benefit
not
our
children
and
their
future,
but
you're
being
fitting
people
who
live
in
Winnetka,
Northbrook
and
other
places.
F
We
submitted
a
plan
to
the
city
for
a
West
Side
plan
for
a
program
that
was
pulled
together,
the
state's
attorney
office.
Let
us
have
use
of
one
other
staff.
F
F
I
mean
after
25
years.
You
would
think
something
would
take
place
and
we're
just
fed
up
with
it,
and
it
looks
like
it
doesn't
matter
that
the
community
comes
before
you
to
indicate
what
their
interest
is.
You
just
ignore
it.
It's
been
over
25
years,
it's
been
ignored
and
it's
continuing
to
be
that
way.
F
I
am
saying
this
in
disgust,
I'm,
really
in
disgust.
After
this
many
years
of
working
with
the
community
trying
to
improve
and
make
things
better
in
the
community
and
working
in
the
community
spending
dollars
to
improve
the
community,
and
then
you
do
things
to
benefit
Winnetka
residents
or
Northbrook,
but
not
our
children.
A
Thank
you
Miss
Hudson.
Next
we
have
Miss
Tina
Payton.
G
Good,
you
know
Tina
Payton.
First
of
all,
I
don't
even
know
what
this
is.
We've
never
seen
this
and
we
have
some
very
serious
problems
here.
We
are
again
talking
about
another
high-rise,
low
income,
affordable
building
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
What
about
the
First
Ward?
What
about
the
Seventh
Ward?
How
about
the
Sixth
Ward?
How
about
the
Third
Ward
go?
Put
it
there,
put
it
next
to
the
Albion?
How
about
that?
G
Why
do
we
have
to
keep
taking
affordable
housing?
And
you
can't
say
that
I'm
against
affordable
housing,
because
I'm
a
provider,
this
man
was
provided
four
million
dollars
by
the
City
of
Evanston
for
a
project?
That's
not
even
passed
yet
somebody
needs
to
go
to
jail.
This
is
outrageous.
We
have
objected
and
you
over
listen.
You
do
not
listen
to
us.
Oh
we
hear
what
you're
saying
and
then
you
sit
up
here
and
vote
how
you
want
to,
regardless
of
all
these
people
sitting
here,
getting
ready
to
speak
to
you.
G
H
Hello
I'm
here
at
the
ordinance
on
Church
Street,
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
the
Fifth
Ward
I'm,
requesting
councilman
members,
Bobby
Burns
and
Yvonne
Reese
rescues
themselves
from
the
vote
regarding
hldc's
application
for
the
property
to
be
built
on
church
and
Daryl.
Both
console
members,
burn
and
Reed
have
received
funds
for
personal
use
via
connections
for
the
homeless
and
connection
for
the
homeless
has
a
pecuniary
interest
in
the
work
that
hodc
completes.
H
Hrdc
has
a
long
history
of
working
primarily
with
connections
of
the
homeless.
In
other
words,
in
many
instances,
including
here,
connections
of
the
homeless,
is
the
sole
organization
whose
clients
may
be
provided
provided
housing,
certain
hldc
properties,
there's
a
clear
and
consistent
evidence
of
connection
for
the
homeless,
placing
their
clients
in
hodc
buildings
and
of
hodc
only
being
willing
to
work
with
connections
for
the
home
homeless
to
fill
their
buildings.
H
There
are
lented
samples
of
connections
for
the
homeless
lobbying
on
behalf
of
hodc,
a
copy
of
the
flyer
demonstrating
the
connection
between
hodc
and
connections
for
the
Homeless
was
sent
via
email
to
all
council
members
on
March
10
2023..
Additionally,
up
upper
management
for
connections
for
the
homeless
has
attended
all
of
the
community
meetings
to
date
in
support
of
hodc.
Despite
the
fact
none
of
them
upper
management
lives
in
Evanston.
H
Therefore,
it
is
unacceptable
that
councilman,
member
Burns
and
Reed
vote
on
any
either
item
relating
to
the
hodc
application
for
any
future
projects
that
connects
for
the
homeless,
undertakes.
Devon,
Reed
and
Bobby
Burns
must
recuse
themselves
from
this
project,
in
addition
to
any
other
project
in
an
identity
that
connections
for
the
homeless,
lobbies
and
works
with.
We
also
request
a
council
member
Bobby
Burns
step
aside
entirely
from
this
project
and
a
separate
committee
be
established
to
examine
and
investigate
the
process
behind
this
application
and
the
future
plans
for
management
involving
connections
for
the
homeless.
H
A
I
Hello,
my
neighbors
will
speak
about
how
this
will
impact
our
taxes,
which
are
already
too
high,
considering
I
back
up
against
a
transfer
station
which
overwhelms
our
sewer
system.
Floods
us
with
rats
fills
our
yards
daily
with
trash
and
Shakes
the
foundations
of
our
houses,
not
to
mention
the
sound
and
noise
sandwich
between
the
dump,
and
this
proposal
would
tank
my
housing
value
and
raise
my
taxes.
Many
will
speak
on
the
traffic.
A
real
concern
is
exiting
and
entering
Darrow
from
church
or
Emerson
is
tricky
and
I've
personally
almost
been
hit
there.
I
Many
times
cars
swing
wide
into
the
bike
lane
and
almost
hit
pedestrians
and
children
when
people
are
passing,
I
want
to
speak
about
how
this
housing
is
really
going
to
help
its
residents.
Affordable
housing
is
a
wonderful
tool
to
help
people
gets
them
on
their
feet.
Some
are
some
proposals
are
better
than
others
and
we
have
to
pick
the
best
option.
This
building
has
no
green
space.
Nowhere
to
enjoy
the
outdoors.
The
units
and
rooms
are
tiny
in
order
to
fit
the
large
number
of
units
into
a
relatively
small
parcel
of
land.
I
It
is
run
by
a
company
that
has
many
unhappy
residents
in
its
other
projects
and
has
not
proven
to
run
the
smaller
projects
effectively.
Why
would
we
want
it
to
scale
up
Why
Can't
This
one
be
any
smaller.
The
ground
is
top
toxic.
It
cannot
have
housing
on
it.
That's
why
there's
a
big
old
land
swap,
but
why
have
we
not
seen
any
proof
that
20
feet
to
the
West
is
suddenly
entirely
safe?
I
We
know
the
air
quality
near
the
transfer
station,
isn't
good
they're
working
on
it
apparently,
but
we
have
no
update
on
when
it
will
be
declared
clean
as
the
land
of
the
use
commission.
Someone
for
the
project
stated
facts
about
how
the
Fifth
Ward
residents
have
lower
median
income
and
a
shorter
life
expectancy
than
other
Wards,
which
begs
the
question
why
here
the
Fifth
Ward
does
not,
as
of
yet
have
a
school.
It
is
located
a
mile.
I
This
location
is
located
a
mile
to
a
drugstore
a
mile
to
the
grocery
store,
which
is
a
valley
which
is
fairly
expensive
and
a
mile
to
the
L
families
in
the
area
need
a
car.
They
likely
need
two.
My
biggest
concern,
however,
is
increased
penalties.
The
people
in
this
building
would
face
if
a
crime
were
ever
committed,
the
locations
near
a
school
within
the
bounds
of
the
so-called
drug-free
zone,
the
maximum
term
of
incarceration
can
potentially
be
doubled
in
this
area.
I
In
Illinois
committing
certain
drug-related
crimes
within
a
thousand
feet
of
school
increases
the
charge
to
a
class
X
felony,
the
most
severe
charge
in
Illinois
state
courts.
If
convicted
prison
time
is
mandatory,
gun
possession
without
a
license
moves
from
a
misdemeanor
to
a
felony.
This
feels
like
a
trap
thanks.
J
Thank
you
good
evening,
council
members,
Haley
guyan,
representing
Crosby
theater
LLC.
We
have
raised
objections
at
the
land
use
commission
level
and
we
continue
to
raise
those
here
in
front
of
the
committee.
We,
our
objections,
relate
to
our
status
as
a
Historic,
Landmark
we'd
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
explain
to
the
committee
and
give
them
more
information
about
this
building
and
its
history.
We
think
it's
pertinent
to
the
decision
in
front
of
you.
J
The
request
presented
for
the
committee
is,
of
course,
that
this
decision,
P1
items,
P2
and
P3
on
the
agenda,
be
referred
to
the
historic
preservation
commission
for
its
input
and
expertise.
There
are
licensed
Architects
on
that
committee
and
that
commission
there
are
experts
far
above
my
education
level
and
experience
in
this
matter
as
as
no
disrespect
but
as
well
as
each
of
you.
We
should
leverage
that
expertise
and
make
it
part
of
the
decision,
so
they
can
provide
the
information
that
we
have
yet
that
yet
to
get
from
hodc.
J
Despite
our
best
efforts,
referring
this
matter
to
the
historic
preservation
commission
is
supported
by
precedent.
Northwestern
University
had
previously
had
to
submit
a
development
at
Chicago
and
Davis
that
had
joined
a
Historic
Landmark
that
was
reviewed
by
the
historic
preservation
commission.
So
this
this
request
is
reasonable
and
supported
by
President.
We
would
again,
frankly,
we
don't
think
you
have
all
the
information
in
front
of
you
to
make
a
decision
this
evening
without
the
historic
preservation
commission's
input.
J
1817
Church
Church
Street
has
a
unique
architectural
characteristics.
It's
colonial
revival,
building
in
the
style
of
French
Second
Empire
built
in
1925
construction
is
masonry
and
it's
established.
It
was
established
as
a
Historic
Landmark
in
1996
friends
in
Evanston,
there
are
10
unique
criteria
to
be
afforded
this
Historic
Landmark
designation,
I'll,
also
direct
staff.
You
can
just
sort
of
run
the
PowerPoint
I'd,
like
the
committee
members
to
see
sort
of
the
history
and
then
note
the
unique
considerations
of
this
property
as
they
relate
to
stormwater
management.
J
We've
elucidated
those
concerns
in
the
record,
as
well
as
through
a
written
testimony.
This
verbal
testimony
supplants
that,
but
we
do
want
you
to
see
for
yourself
what
we've
experienced
and
what
the
owners
of
the
building
have
put
forth
a
great
deal
of
effort,
resources,
time,
dedication,
commitment
to
Evanston
to
preserve
this
property.
J
This
property
was
designed
by
architecture,
Benedict,
J
Burns,
a
significant
Chicago
architect
who
designed
residential
religious
and
commercial
buildings
and
contributed
to
the
historic
districts
both
in
Chicago
and
surrounding
suburbs.
The
architecture
his
architecture
in
Evanston
includes
Chicago
Bungalows,
2025,
Lawndale,
Avenue,
1020,
Seward,
Street
and
2412
Lincolnwood
Drive.
J
Another
standard
for
Historic
Landmark
is
to
have
the
build
buildings
identification
with
a
person
who
significantly
contributed
to
the
historic,
cultural,
architectural
or
archaeological
or
related
aspects
of
the
City
of
Evanston
state
of
Illinois,
Midwest
region
or
the
United
States.
We
enjoy
that
and
we
are
proud
of
that
as
well.
We
are
associated
with
Dr
J
V
Lacroix
original
owner
of
1817
Church
Street,
and
it
was
the
founding
location
for
the
North
Shore,
Animal
Hospital
and
originally
began.
This
is
where
Dr
Dr
Lacroix
began
his
Veterinary
career
and
established
his
Animal
Hospital
here.
J
J
I
guess
what
I
want
to
emphasize
is
the
hodc
development
will
imperil
this
historic
building
right.
The
evidence
presented
to
us
thus
far
have
been
lackluster.
We
have
not
gotten
Soul
soil,
boring
samples,
environmental
report,
Geo
geotechnical
reports.
J
These
are
things
that
the
historic
preservation-
commission,
we
hope,
would
have
the
teeth
to
at
least
require
hodc
to
submit
again
it's
up
to
that
commission
to
take
into
account
the
unique
considerations
of
the
properties
of
our
property's
integrity,
both
as
a
legal
stakeholder
and
as
a
architect,
a
Historic
Landmark.
They
also
issue
certificates
of
appropriateness
and,
and
so
that
is
an
element
that's
mandatory
before
a
permit
can
be
issued.
So
those
are
the
mechanisms
of
that
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
commission's
time.
J
So
I
will
just
close
by
highlighting
again
that
I
want
to
make
sure
you
have
all
the
information
before
you
before
recommending
this
to
city
council.
Without
the
historic
preservation
commission's
input,
we
would
believe
that
at
any
decision
would
run
a
foul
of
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
which
establishes
that,
in
order
to
carry
out
its
purpose,
the
commission
must
review
major
zoning
variations,
including
those
requested
by
applicants
here
as
a
result
of
their
impact
on
historic
landmarks.
1817
is
an
adjoining
property
to
this
proposed
development.
J
K
Hello
Starbucks
is
on
Starbucks,
is
closed,
Starbucks
closed
their
doors.
Whenever
the
high
school
students
are
not
there,
kids
will
be
going
to
this
unsupervised.
Building
to
hangout
the
school
is
only
265
feet
away
from
the
proposed
building.
Fifth
Ward
Fifth
Ward
already
has
a
lot
of
problem
crimes.
Drugs,
putting
190,
low-income
family
beside
the
high
school
is
only
setting
them
up
to
fail.
K
Hodc
does
not
have
a
track
record,
that's
acceptable
to
this
community.
They
have
many
trouble
building
included,
319
Dempster
Street
from
dead
bodies
to
drugs
and
multiple
crime.
Within
two
years
they
were
288
calls
to
the
police
for
this
location.
Hodc
job
is
to
build
buildings
and
not
care
about
who
lives
in
it,
for
as
long
as
their
pockets
are
getting
filled.
L
Yet
it
provided
single
story.
Family
housing,
similar
to
the
veterans
housing
in
Evanston
after
World
War
II
I
object
to
a
five-story
building
at
Daryl
in
church.
The
same
brick
type
of
building
can
be
built
at
Dodge
and
excuse
me
Daryl
and
church
for
evanston's
poor
with
evanston's
wealth.
Thank
you
thank.
A
M
I'm,
coming
from
a
background
of
our
parent,
my
kid
every
day
goes
to
the
schools
high
school,
going
to
the
same
crossing
the
amount
of
traffic.
It's
already
have
it's
it's
Mammoth
traffic
and
the
incidents
and
the
road
safety
is
already
a
big
issue
on
top
of
that,
having
44
new,
like
families
on
the
same
area,
with
a
very
limited
parking
Specialties,
also
the
commercials
without
any
parking
facilities
that
will
add
on
more
chaos,
more
road
safety
issue
on
that
area.
It's
a
really
a
parent's
concern
on
that
corner.
Thank
you.
O
What
impacts
a
child's
life
is
home
life
I
found,
affordable
housing
can
help
provide
just
that
stability.
It
can
mean
that
a
mother
can
send
her
children
to
the
same
school
year
after
year,
so
they
can
develop
long,
lasting
friendships
that
mothers
can
find
a
community
for
support
which
brings
me
to
the
second
Factor
education.
O
Affordable
housing
can
also
help
in
this
area
by
providing
access
to
high
quality,
low
poverty,
schools
again
high
quality,
low
poverty
schools
where
children
can
have
access
to
programs
that
help
them
improve
their
future,
learn
a
different
language,
learn
to
play
an
instrument,
learn
other
wonderful
cultures
or
develop.
Love
for
the
Arts
environment
is
another
big
one,
one
that
can
lead
to
poor
lifelong
Health.
If
it's
not
a
good
one,
affordable
housing
can
mean
easy
access
to
transportation
and
food
sources
like
a
grocery
store.
O
O
Affordable
housing
is
important,
but,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
let's
serve
our
community
first.
This
building
does
not
guarantee
priority
to
evanstonians.
How
can
we
justify
the
development
of
a
building
if
it's
not
serving
our
community
but
rather
adding
a
burden
to
it?
Let's
fix
our
existing
issues.
First,
please
vote
no
to
the
development.
Thank
you.
P
Evening,
Council
I'm
here
for
denouncing
this
building
I'm
all
for
affordable
housing.
My
family
and
I
have
been
providing
affordable
housing
in
Evanston
for
over
70
years.
This
is
going
to
put
a
lot
of
pressure
on
landlords
intermediate
area,
so
we
talk
about
keeping
people
in
the
area.
This
is
going
to
force
a
lot
of
landlords
out
of
the
area
because
they
cannot
compete
against
these
prices
that
are
being
provided
from
affordable
housing
right.
In
addition,
some
of
the
things
they're
talking
about
about
letting
Section
8
go
into
that
Resident
and
charging
them
lesser
rate.
P
No
I
talked
to
Section
8
and
they
have
fixed
number
of
pricing
that
they
will
standardize
on,
never
never
mind.
If
it's
affordable
housing
place
or
not
so
for
a
three
bedroom,
they
have
a
fixed
price
for
two
bedrooms.
They
have
a
fixed
price.
They
will
be
paying
a
lot
more
than
the
numbers
that
are
being
stated
right.
P
Some
of
the
other
issues
I
have
with
this
is
the
land
is
contaminated.
The
land
has
never
been
cleaned
up,
you're
going
to
take
and
put
people
on
this
land
right
that
we
know
it
is
contaminating.
In
addition,
we've
had
air
studies
done
some
time
ago
across
from
the
dump
site
there,
where
the
air
quality
is
poor.
Why
do
you
want
to
take
this
and
put
this
into
Fifth
Ward?
Also
right,
there's
only
Hello.
The
war
is
out
here.
P
Put
it
somewhere
else,
we're
all
afford
affordable
housing,
but
we
want
scattered
side
housing
and
we
want
something
where
people
have
ownership.
Take
some
of
that
450
000
they're,
getting
per
unit
and
figure
out
how
you
can
give
that
money
or
apply
that
money
for
something
they
have
ownership,
because
if
we
give
them
ownership,
they'll
take
better
care
and
be
more
involved
in
the
community.
That's
what
we
want,
so
we
are
all
for
affordable
housing.
We
just
want
it
done
a
certain
way
and
we
don't
believe
this
is
the
right
way.
P
There
are
many
other
issues
and
I've
just
hit
on
a
few
of
those,
but
things
like
the
traffic
area
right,
the
traffic,
the
parking
there
are
several
issues.
16
overrides
needed.
To
put
this
building
in
right,
14
or
16
overrides
needed,
so
I'm
just
pointing
out
there's
huge
numbers
here
that
we
have
to
look
at.
You
have
to
look
at
this
from
multiple
angles.
This
cannot
be
addressed
from
a
single
angle.
That's
pretty
much
it
our
head!
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
raditza
suits.
Q
I
provide
I,
have
a
small
four
flight
building
I
provide
affordable
housing,
I
take
section,
8.,
I
I,
take
working
poor
people
I
have
taken
a
building.
That
was
nothing
but
a
blight
in
the
neighborhood
and
turned
it
into
something
nice
for
people.
So
when
I
came
to
this
neighborhood
for
decades
we
were
playing
with
violence
with
shooting,
with
loitering
with
crimes
with
prostitution.
We
had
police
officers
on
speed
dial.
We
can
call
them
by
names.
We
can
call
officer
Tanya
Noble,
so
she
can
come
here
and
testify.
Q
She
told
me
that
she
cried
when
she
read
a
letter
from
my
husband
or
we
had
to
go
through
in
this
neighborhood.
We
are
overwhelmed
with
affordable
housing.
I
testified,
I
was
much
younger.
I
was
naive,
I
believed
in
something
better
and
I
didn't
know
exactly
what
I
was
doing,
but
here
I
am
I.
Don't
know
why
God
put
me
in
this
neighborhood
at
this
time,
but
maybe
there
is
some
bigger
reason
behind
it,
so
we
cannot
rent.
It
takes
us
months
to
rent
our
units
months
to
rent
our
units.
This
is
not
neighborhood.
Q
That's
by
the
lake
that
everything
goes
quickly.
We
cannot
rent
it
for
the
prices
that
they're
renting
it
by
the
lake.
We
have
more
than
enough
affordable
units
in
this
neighborhood
one.
One
aspect
of
it
second
aspect
that
I'm
just
gonna
just
mention
quickly.
Does
anyone
care
about
lives
of
police
officers?
Q
Are
they?
What
are
they
collateral
damage?
Are
their
lives
worthless,
we're
putting
44
parking
places
underground
with
no
surveillance?
Nothing!
That's
a
crime
scene
and
a
death
trap
I'm
asking
everybody
to
please
think
about
those
people
who
have
served
us
for
over
20
years
and
then
the
last.
But
the
most
important
thing
is.
We
have
to
talk
about
the
numbers
we
are
all
for:
affordable
housing,
I
am
a
Bernie
Sanders
supporter
I
am
here,
I've
done
my
part,
but
what
is
represented
in
front
of
us?
That's
not
what
it
is.
Q
Let's
follow
the
numbers,
we
are
in
the
midst
of
the
national
controversy
that
so
many
senators
in
this
country
are
calling
for
these
programs
to
be
abolished
because
the
money
does
not
serve
people
that
intends
to
serve
it's
ending
up
someplace
in
the
pockets
in
the
middle.
So
we
have
23
million
dollars,
22
million
dollars
of
taxpayers
money,
my
money,
your
money,
everybody
else's
money.
We
know
how
much
the
units
in
Evanston
cost
how
much
units
in
fifth
world
cost.
Q
Let's
start
from
about
hundred
hundred
ten
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
120
130.,
so
simple,
math,
23
million
dollars.
How
many
units
can
we
have
120
130
right?
So
so
what
are
we
talking
about?
Then?
How
is
it
possible?
Then
anyone
can
come
to
the
City
of
Evanston
and
ask
for
a
guest
of
four
million
dollars
and
a
million
dollar
lot
with
no
Financial
disclosure.
Q
How
is
it
possible?
So
is
everything
just
giving
gifts
of
five
million
dollars?
What
are
the
requirements?
What
are
the
requirements
you
have
to
be
tall
and
slim?
Is
that
it
or
maybe
have
few
friends
within
the
city
I
work
for
many
small
theater
groups,
and
we,
if
we
ask
for
a
little
money,
little
money,
we
had
to
prove
how
much
we
had
and
what
we're
gonna
do
with
that
money
and
how
we're
going
to
spend
that
money,
and
here
we
have
23
million
dollars
no
accountability.
Q
Also
hodc
is
effectively
taking
rents
from
approximately
460
units
right
paid
by
taxpayers.
They
don't
need
new
roofs,
they
don't
need
new
Plumbing.
They
don't
need
new
electricity
they're,
just
taking
the
cream
they're
taking
the
rents,
how
much
four
million
dollars
five
million
dollars
three
million
dollars?
Does
anyone
have
an
idea?
What
has
been
done
with
that
money?
How
much
of
that
money
has
gone
back
into
the
pot
to
help
the
people
that
they
claim
they're
helping?
Q
R
R
R
Any
development
requesting
14
variants
at
the
current
zoning,
which
is
now
business
and
Commercial
to
residential,
must
follow
the
rules,
one
publication
and
notification
to
stakeholders,
which
was
not
done.
Secondly,
when
we
discuss
the
best
practices
from
the
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development,
they
always
stress
scattered
sites
and
low
density.
The
current
proposal
by
hodc
violates
not
only
the
intent
of
Hud,
but
also
the
seven
considerations
that
this
commission
was
supposed
to
use
for
granting
14
variants
out
of
the
seven
requirements.
R
This
proposal
did
not
satisfy
five,
but
on
the
other
hand,
one
neighbor
wanted
three
variances
and
two
of
the
neighbors
came
and
asked
and
they
were
granted.
They
were
denied
their
variances
three,
because
two
people
from
the
neighborhood
came
look
at
us.
This
is
Evanston
The,
Fifth
Ward.
We
are
what
you
propose
to
be
we're
diverse,
economically
we're
diverse
racially,
and
we
are
concerned
about
our
property
and
our
quality
of
life.
How
dare
you
sit
there
and
pass
judgment
on
us
when
many
of
you
have
no
affordable
housing
in
your
Wards?
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
Andrew:
footerman
I
live
at
1738,
Darrow,
Avenue
and
I
rise
today
to
voice
my
opposition
to
this
church.
To
reach
project
I
was
especially
proud
to
live
in
this
community
when,
on
October
26
2022
mayor
biss
wrote
to
the
citizens
of
Evanston,
emphasizing
a
Town's
commitment
to
environmental
justice,
a
topic
that
I
as
an
attorney
for
the
United
States
Environmental
Protection
Agency
hold
near
my
heart.
S
To
paraphrase
mayor
biss,
he
wrote
We
achieve
environmental
justice
when
every
resident
is
equally
protected
from
environmental
hazards
and
health
risks,
including
polluted
air
and
water.
The
ugly,
but
perhaps
unsurprising
truth,
is
that
the
opposite
has
too
often
been
the
case
and
that
unless
we
work
proactively
and
with
complete
knowledge,
environmental
Injustice
is
likely
to
persist.
This
sentiment
is
something
I
agree
with
entirely
and
it's
something
that
I
have
dedicated
my
life
to
advancing.
But
it's
also
why
I
was
so
shocked
when
I
first
heard
about
this
project.
S
How
could
a
town
that
is
so
committed
to
ensuring
environmental
justice
be
making
the
same
mistakes
and
committing
the
same
environmental
justice
injustices
as
before
the
project
is
proposed
on
a
lot
in
the
1960s?
Was
a
gas
station
gas
stations
store,
Fuel
and
underground
tanks
which
are
notorious
for
depositing
hazardous
pollutants
into
the
soils?
S
How
much
money
has
ever
since
spent
to
remove
remove
lead
service
pipelines
only
to
turn
around
and
place
affordable
housing
on
a
lot
lot
contaminated
with
lead?
It
does
not
make
sense
to
me.
This
site
is
also
just
a
block
from
the
Evanston
transfer
station,
a
facility
with
known
air
pollution
issues
that
regularly
operates
in
violation
of
its
permit.
S
At
last
month's
land
use
committee
meeting,
a
woman
from
connections
for
the
homeless
noted
that
people
of
the
Fifth
Ward
die
younger
than
other
amazonians.
She
used
this
as
support
for
this
project
and
said
that
we
need
affordable
housing,
but
I
fail
to
understand
how
this
project
will
do
anything
but
make
that
problem
worse
and
ensure
an
early
grave
for
the
would-be
tenants.
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
S
I
am
for
affordable
housing
and
I
am
for
affordable
housing
in
my
neighborhood,
but
to
situate,
affordable
housing
on
a
lot
contaminated
with
hazardous
chemicals
down
the
street
from
a
facility
with
known
air
pollution
issues
is
exactly
the
sort
of
injustices
that
I
thought.
Mayor
biss.
This
Council
in
this
community
stood
out
against
people
need
affordable
housing,
but
we
also
need
clean
air,
clean
water
and
a
clean
environment
in
which
to
live.
Those
two
ideas
are
not
in
contention,
don't
make
them
be.
This
is
the
wrong
lot.
S
This
is
the
wrong
project,
and
this
is
the
wrong
organization
to
do
business
with
I
urge
you
all
to
recognize,
just
because
someone
is
poor
does
not
mean
that
they
deserve
less,
that
they
deserve
to
live
in
an
environment
that
will
all
but
ensure
an
early
grave.
We
can
do
better.
We
must
do
better
I
urge
you
all
to
know
to
vote
no
and
to
end
this
modernized
redlining.
Thank
you.
T
Yes
got
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
Kelly,
my
name
is
Darlene
Cannon
I'm,
a
second
ward
resident
I,
stand
in
solidarity
with
the
residents
of
the
second
and
fifth
war.
With
the
concerns
about
the
hldc
building,
residents
are
concerned
about
the
lack
of
notification
and
communication
between
them
and
the
city
about
the
development
residents
are
concerned
about
the
density
and
they,
given
that
they
are
already
burdened
with
the
rent
waste
transfer
station
and
the
volume
of
traffic
from
eths.
How
much
more
are
they
expected
to
take?
T
This
building
is
not
in
alignment
with
the
surrounding
property,
and
there
seems
to
be
an
ongoing
trend
of
not
providing
setback
in
Green
Space
for
low-income
families.
It's
as
if
they,
the
the
mindset,
is
that
they
don't
deserve.
Green
Space
this
project,
as
it's
being
presented,
doesn't
follow
the
fifth
work
plan
that
was
created
by
residents
of
the
fifth
war
and
people.
T
People
will
have
a
negative
reaction
and
or
an
objection
if
they
are
not
included
in
decisions
that
are
impacting
their
lives.
These
residents,
nor
am
I,
are
against
affordable
housing,
but
we
are
against
segregated
housing
and,
as
it's
been
previously
said,
against
modern
modernized
Redline.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
sure.
N
Hello,
my
name
is
Cesar
Flores
I'm
here
to
speak
to
what
happened
inside
these
affordable
houses.
My
wife
has
lived
in
such
a
project,
she'll,
remember
for
her
and
four
of
her
members,
family
plus
another
fight
in
a
studio
apartment.
We
asked
how
is
hodc
going
to
make
sure
this
does
not
gonna
happen
at
this
building,
putting
a
net
important
to
the
community.
They
have
to
no
management
proposal.
How
is
this
safety
going
to
be
kept
for
the
children's
you
plan
serve,
which
brings
to
me
to
environmental
peace?
It
was
I.
N
Guess
stations
fits
away
from
a
garbage
transfer
site.
Is
any
of
this
worry
about
this
key
problem?
Also,
this
community
didn't
get
the
proper
notice
from
this
development
feels
like
they
want
you
to
pin
on
our
backs
and
I'm,
not
the
only
ones
staying
in
this
as
the
people
here
today
little
to
no
notice.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
so
that
concludes
public
comment.
E
E
So
I've
spoken
with
staff
about
this
and
it's
it's
basically
codifying
some
of
the
changes
to
the
outdoor
storage
at
Home
Depot,
just
moving
it
around
the
corner
from
currently.
Our
zoning
does
not
allow
for
them
to
have
anything
really
out
in
front
of
the
store,
so
this
will
allow
them
to
basically
being
in
compliance
and
also
they've,
also
agreed
to
like
move
some
of
their
storage
of
rental
vehicles
to
the
side
Lots.
So
I've
talked
to
Residents
about
this,
and
it's
not
a
big
deal
to
them.
E
I
think
it's
just
making
sure
that
they're
in
compliance
with
what
they're
currently
doing
with
their
a
garden,
storage
and
outdoor
stuff,
so
yeah.
A
Okay,
no
other
comments.
Okay
with
that
I
think
we'll
just
do
a
voice
call
all
in
favor,
hi.
U
A
Objections:
okay
item
P1
passes
with
unanimous
support.
Would
somebody
like
to
move
item
P2.
A
A
Well
from
the
former
gas
station
and
what
what
is
impacted
I
know,
we
have
two:
we
have
two
entities
here.
We
have
the
church,
we
have
the
affordable
housing
if
someone
could
address
the
concerns
brought
up
regarding,
if
that
doesn't
apply
to
this
item,
then
I'd
like
to
know.
V
No,
it
does
because
I
think
that's
where
they'll
end
up
on
the
corner
lot.
So
director
Flats,
if
you
want
to
speak
to
it,
I
can,
but
you
probably
should.
C
I
can
speak
to
the
corner
lot.
The
city
had
acquired
that
through
the
no
cash
bid
program,
it
was
a
former
gas
station.
Our
corporate
council
at
the
time
got
cleanup
demanded
by
the
gasoline
provider.
The
gas
station
I
think
it
was
Citgo,
but
I
can't
honestly
remember
that
was
responsible
for
it.
C
Voluntary
sign
up
for
the
cleanup,
which
gets
no
further
remediation
letter
when
the
proposed
cleanup
method
is
undertaken
and
approved
and
is
confirmed
by
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency.
That
letter
the
NFR
has
been
provided,
and
that
was
part
of
the
what
was
provided
along
with
the
discussion
of
having
the
site
redeveloped.
A
C
If,
if
the
impermeable
barrier
were,
if
the
project
needed
to
go
deeper
into
the
soil,
then
council
member
Burns
is
correct,
then
it
would
have
to
that
would
be
removed.
Additional
soil
would
be
taken
out
and
a
new
impermeable
barrier
would
be
put
at
a
lower
level,
but
the
church's
foundation
and
other
parts
of
it
do
not
break
that
barrier.
C
A
You
are,
are
you
presenting
this
evening
on
on
the
on
the
or
not
I
mean
when
it
comes
to
your
project?
How
about
for
the
church?
Do
we
have
a
presentation,
or
is
anybody
going
to
speak
to
this,
or
do
we
have
slides.
B
B
My
name
is
Matt
Kidd
I'm
with
Suzuki
kid
Architects
I
did
Architects
for
the
church
project,
so
there
is
an
engineered
barrier
there
currently
and
most
likely
that
engineer
barrier
will
need
to
be
removed
to
build
the
footings,
the
foundation
for
the
church.
So
when
we
do
remove
that
foundate
that
engineered
barrier,
we
will
be
removing
soil
and
then
we'll
also
have
to
put
a
new
engineered
barrier
back
into
in
place.
A
A
B
A
A
V
If
the
plan
is
to
leave
it
there
without
any,
especially
without
applying
any
barrier,
we're
still
talking
about,
then
yeah
I
think.
The
the
point
which
you
may
have
missed
is
that
if
it
sounds
like
the
barrier,
the
current
engineering
barrier
would
need
to
be
removed
and
then
the
soil
will
need
to
be
removed.
A
certain
portion
of
the
soil
needs
to
be
ruled
and
then
a
barrier
put
back
in
place.
I
believe
all
of
this
is
I,
don't
know
if
this
particular
project
would
need
a
letter
from
the
EPA.
Yes,.
V
As
much
as
I
understand,
you
know
why
we're
here
and
why
this
is
being
is
just
concern,
but
this
is
something
that
is
common
with
many
projects
and
which
is
why
there's
a
process
to
deal
with
it,
which
is
why
the
EPA
has
to
sign
off
on
it.
I
mean
this
is
this
is
something
that
will
be
addressed
and
then
also
to
another
environmental
issue.
If
you're
talking
about
air
quality
also
have
a
letter
from
the
EPA,
so
I'll
speak
to
that.
A
V
X
Actually,
the
area
that
marked
by
yellow-
that
is
the
the
area
that
EPA
has
capped.
But
what's
happened
was
that
EPA
is
just
a
place,
the
retirement
on
the
top
and
then
put
some
kind
of
cap
in
the
concrete
on
the
top
of
it.
So
we
were
at
the
site
during
Last
Summer
and
we
were
told
that
maybe
water.
M
X
B
N
Y
B
What
there
there's
an
existing
barrier
there,
we
are
going
to
be
removing
that
barrier.
Moving
the
soil
testing
of
soil
and
removing
the
contaminated
soil
and
there'll
be
another
engineered
barrier
and
we'll
be
working
with
Consultants
on
this
to
design
that
engineered
barrier
to
meet
EPA
standards,
and
so
after
the
the
project
is
complete.
There'll
be
another
letter
stating
you
know
that
the
correct
engineered
barrier
is
in
place.
So
that's
the
procedure.
B
We
we
understand,
there's
contaminated
soils,
we're
not
claiming
that
there's
not,
and
so
this
is
actually
a
benefit
to
the
community,
that
the
church
is
looking
to
actually
occupy
the
site.
Take
care
of
the
soils
which
currently,
if,
if
we
just
leave
it
a
vacant
lot,
those
those
soils
are
still
there
they're
contaminated
and
they're
the
groundwater.
It's
not
those
the
soil.
X
Yeah
and
sorry,
my
English
is
not
the
native,
so
I'm
kind
of
adding
out
that
it's
the
idea
that
we
just
don't
know
we
kind
of
grasp
how
much
it
has
been
contaminated.
But
we're
told
that
that
the
tree
to
the
corner
has
been
pretty
much
damaged,
maybe
due
to
that
contaminant.
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
that
we
are
replacing
all
those
contaminated
soil
due
to
the
the
the
process
of
construction.
X
We
have
to
dig
the
ground
to
ensure
that
the
certain
depth
three
and
a
half
feet
for
the
first
line
and
all
those
things
that
have
to
be
met.
So
we
are
digging
the
contaminated
land,
soil
and
replacing
them
with
fresh
uncontaminated
soil,
and
not
only
for
that.
We
are
creating
some
kind
of
retardant
to
make
sure
not
only
for
the
top
but
all
the
side,
so
that
there's
going
to
be
no
water
running
through
and
discharging
without.
Knowing.
X
A
I
guess
I
would
just
like
to
know.
Is
there
any
reason
you
said
you're
required
to
do
another
testing
that
that
can't
be
done
now,
I
think
it's
just
helpful
I
would
think
as
a
resident
just
to
know
you
know
what
is
going
to
be
involved
with
regard
to
creating
the
you
know
the
retardant
and
everything
because
we
don't
know
yet
until
you
test,
we
don't
really
know
the
process.
That's
going
to
be
required.
X
We
have
to
work
together
with
environmental
engineer
who
actually
submitted
the
first
one
to
EPA
and
then
just
like
I'm
at
try
to
explain
that
we're
going
to
go
through
the
same
procedure
that
we
have
to
check
the
soil
and
then
due
process.
We're
going
to
receive
some
letter.
C
X
Going
to
be
receiving
yeah
we're
going
to
be
receiving
the
letter
that
approved
entire
process
has
been
somehow
implemented
correctly.
Then
we
can
receive
the
letter
from
the
authority.
U
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'd,
like
to
address
concerns
regarding
drainage
that
were
raised
by
the
historic
building
next
door.
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
the
church
property
or
with
this,
what
will
be
the
church
property
or
the
current
Church
property,
where
the
the
large
underground
tank
is
proposed.
Yeah,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
appropriate
engineering
measures
are
being
planned
to
minimize
the
the
drainage
concerns
of
the
neighbors
I.
B
Think
the
main
concern
was
for
the
other
building.
There
is
going
to
be
an
underwater
storage
vault
at
this
location
as
well.
That
will
be
located
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
Our
civil
engineers
have
already
looked
at
that,
and
they
have
sized
that
appropriately
and
had
discussion
with
the
city
engineer.
As
far
as
the
size
of
that
Storage
storage,
vault
is
aware,
as
well
as
where
that
water
will
be
discharged
into
the
storm
water
system.
U
Y
U
D
Okay-
and
this
is
just
from
the
memo,
so
it
may
be
not
just
a
not
quite
accurate
description.
It
says,
underground
Vault
will
provide
storm
water
management
with
storm
water
released
to
the
alley
which
I
thought
sounded
problematic.
D
X
Into
the
alley,
in
addition
to
that,
in
the
alley
we
do
have
existing
storm
water
line,
eight
inches
pipe
and
along
with
the
Adara
Avenue,
we
have
15
inches
and
our
primary
interest
were
to
discharge
to
that
15
inches
one.
But
the
city
engineer
somehow
suggested
to
discharge
to
eight
inches.
So
we
did
the
calculation
and
we
have
a
3049
cubic
foot
of
the
retention
Bolt
and
then
we're
going
to
be
discharging
that
one.
X
Foot
acres
for
the
vault
right
exactly
and
then
we
are
releasing
rate
of
per
code
by
City
of
Evanston
that
the
0.15
cubic
foot
per
second,
so
we're
trying
to
meet
with
all
the
criteria
right
now.
At
this
moment,.
A
E
A
U
I'll
move
item,
P3
ordinance,
35-0-23,
approving
major
variations
for
the
construction
of
a
new
five-story
mixed-use
building
at
1811
through
1815
Church
Street.
Second,.
V
I
actually
want
to
hear
about
talk
to
councilmember
Newsome
about
this,
but
would
love
to
hear
from
I
guess:
councilmember
Ravel,
because
I
haven't
talked
to
you
yet
just
about
what
some
of
your
concerns
are
not
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
I've
had
a
chance
to
check
in
with
pretty
much
everybody
else.
D
Well,
just
there's
been
a
lot
of
mention
this
evening
about
the
traffic
and
the
congestion
that
currently
exists
on
on
Church
Street
and
the
intersection
with
Dodge
and
difficulty
for
cars
on
Daryl
merging
into
onto
Church
Street.
So
I
was
wondering,
did
we
do
did?
Z
Yes,
there's
the
traffic
study,
it
was
done
as
part
of
it.
It's
part
in
the
packet.
Everyone
should
have
a
copy
of
that
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
included.
Z
D
D
Yeah,
just
how
how
the
traffic
study
addressed
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
raised
this
evening
by
some
of
the
community
members
right.
Z
Right
so
so
the
traffic
study
did
analyze
the
amount
of
traffic.
It
did
talk
about
the
current
traffic
patterns
and
said.
The
conclusion
was
that,
based
on
adding
additional
units
to
the
to
that
block,
it
wouldn't
change
the
current
situation.
The
situation
is
what
it
is
right
now
and
so
having
additional
units
we
have
talked
about.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
improve
the
traffic
flow
and
with
the
way
that
the
parking
is
is
coming
out
of
the
alley?
Z
Z
So
Kimberly
horn
did
that
study.
I
believe
it
was
I'm
not
as
it
was
January
of
2022
was
when
the
study
was
conducted.
A
V
Yeah
I
was
going
to
say
I,
don't
know
if
Laura
Biggs
is
on
the
is
in
person
or
with
us
remotely
but
I
think,
especially
along.
You
know:
Church
Street,
somewhere
Dodge
too,
but
Church
Street,
a
more
direct
way
to
address
some
of
the
traffic
congestion
issues
is
by
addressing
the
issues
that
the
I'll
call
it.
The
bump
out
cause
which
I
believe
that
bump
out
is
there
kind
of
on
the
south
east
side
of
the
the
street
to
make
the
bus
stop
more
pedestrian
friendly
and
then
putting
that
in
place.
V
It's
removed
turning
lanes,
and
so
in
order
to
talk
to
one
of
our
engineers
and
also
our
chief
Bureau
engineer
about
this.
It's
it's
taking
away
some
turning
lanes,
and
so
what
happens
is
an
example.
If
you're
going
eastbound
down
Church
Street
trying
to
make
a
left,
let's
say
on
Dodge
going
north
everybody
has
to
wait
on
on
you
until
you
make
that
turn,
and
so
I
talked
to
you
know
one
of
our
Engineers
Laura
Biggs,
to
see
if
we're
already
planning
to
address
this
issue
that
we
know
not.
V
We
need
they
are
not
to
the
point
where
they
know
exactly
how
they
want
to
address
it.
Is
it
going
to
be
eliminating
the
bump
out,
so
we
can
bring
back
those
tournaments?
Will
it
be?
You
know
some
other
measure,
but
they've?
They
are
going
to
start
Community
engagement
around
that
project
in
the
next
few
weeks
next
month,
and
so
I
think
that
more
directly
addresses
the
issue
of
traffic
circulation
issues
around
the
area.
D
And
I
I
did
have
a
couple
of
other
areas
to
ask
about
so
I
I
think
there's
some
question
about
on-site
management
or
on-site
resident
hodc
representative
living
on
site
can
is
there
going
to
be?
Could
you
address
that?
How
that's
going
to
be
handled.
Z
Sure,
yes,
so
with
this
development,
what
we've
proposed
through
the
financing,
because
the
financing
includes
Government
funding,
and
so
all
the
units
need
to
be
affordable
to
households.
Will
there
certain
income
levels?
What
we've
requested
is
that
one
of
the
units
is
designated
as
a
management
unit
so
that
we
could
have
somebody
living
on
site.
That
would
be
the
eyes
and
ears
of
the
organization
who's
there
and
available
and
able
to
take
care
of
issues
when
they
arrive.
So
that's
built
into
the
current
plan.
D
Z
The
so
the
funding
is
very
Project
Specific,
so
it
has
to
be
specifically
applied
to
this
project
when
we
make
the
application
to
the
state.
The
financing
is
specifically
for
this
project
for
this
development,
for
this
configuration
for
all
those
pieces
that
are
included,
and
so
it
can't
it's
not
fungible,
it
can't
be
moved
to
other
sites.
It
can't
be
applied
to
other
if
the
project
goes
away,
the
funding
goes
away.
So
it's
an
all
or
nothing
proposition
that
we
have
to
get
all
the
financing
to
build.
Z
The
whole
thing
we
can't
just
get
part
of
the
financing
part
of
the
long-term
requirements
for
using
that
government
money
responsible
is
that
we
have
to
rent
the
units
to
households
that
income
qualify
and
the
technical
is
60
of
area
median
income
based
on
the
household
size.
If
you're
interested,
we
can
go
through
some
of
those
numbers,
what
they
look
like,
but
also
that
those
rents
have
to
be
below
Market,
and
that
has
to
be
for
a
period
of
at
least
30
years
as
a
non-profit
organization.
Z
Z
Z
D
And
in
I
listened
to
many
hours
of
the
land
use
commission
hearing
you
mentioned
at
one
point
something
about
applying
for
a
permission
to
have
an
Evanston
preference.
Could
you
talk
about
that
correct.
Z
So
current
federal
housing
laws
do
not
allow
a
local
reference.
You
can
imagine
some
areas
having
a
local
preference
would
keep
that
area.
The
way
that
is
and
exclude
certain
people,
so
current
federal
for
housing
laws
don't
allow
that
we
have
explicitly
applied
to
allow
a
preference
from
Evanston
residents.
We
specifically
asked
for
that
and
it's
our
goal
to
be
able
to
achieve
that,
so
that
we
can
move
evidence
to
Residents
to
the
top
of
the
list.
Z
Z
Or
something
includes
right,
so
the
long-term
upkeep
of
the
building
is
important.
Of
course,
we
have
to
do
repairs
so
there's
sort
of
routine
maintenance
throughout
the
day
through
routine
maintenance
things
get
clogged
things
get
broken
those
get
fixed.
In
addition,
over
the
Long
Haul,
things
need
to
be
replaced.
The
boiler
needs
to
be
replaced.
The
roof
needs
to
be
replaced
Windows,
all
those
things
need
to
be
replaced
long
term,
and
so,
in
order
to
give
us
a
jump
start
on
those
long-term
things
that
will
eventually
need
to
be
fixed.
D
And
I
think
that's
it
for
the
moment.
E
U
You
thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
checked
through
our
packet
here,
and
this
is
just
a
note
to
staff
I,
don't
think
the
traffic
studies
in
our
packet,
the
work
traffic
is
mentioned
195
times
over
1056
Pages,
but
I,
don't
think
the
traffic
studies
in
there.
U
So
if
and
when
this
moves
forward,
just
a
request
to
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
do
get
a
copy
of
that
traffic
study
at
some
point
but
moving
beyond
the
question
of
traffic
and
congestion,
which
you
know
one
way
or
the
other,
is
it
a
solvable
problem
with
appropriate
measures?
U
And
perhaps
the
deal
with
the
bump
out
that
councilmember
burns
mentioned
is
the
kind
of
the
most
straightforward
solution
there
I'd
like
to
talk
about
about
the
size
of
the
building
and
specifically
a
concern
about
the
building
height,
knowing
that
15
almost
20
years
ago
now
a
smaller
building
was
was
proposed
and
permission
was
denied.
Now
we're
talking
about
a
bigger
building.
Is
there
any
possibility
of
making
this
building
smaller
and
still
making
it
making
it
work?.
V
V
So
I've
been
working
with
Richard
the
last
few
weeks
to
chair.
Could
you
please.
A
Mean
I
don't
know,
I
would
attorney.
Could
okay
I'll
call
for
order
for
a
moment?
I
just
I
guess
I
need
clarification,
then,
from
the
attorney
regarding
the
recusal,
that's
being
I.
Can
you
address
that.
AA
I
Alexander
ruggie
Deputy
City
attorney.
Thank
you,
chair
I,
believe
there's
a
recusal
being
asked
for
Council
Members,
Burns,
Burns
and
Reed
looking
at
the
city's
ethics
ordinance
and
that
it
would
be
up
to
the
council
member
to
recuse
themselves
if
they
believe
a
conflict
exists
but
I.
You
know
based
on
what
was
said.
I'm
I,
don't
believe
that
the
council
member
has
a
conflict
in
this
instance,
but
it
is
up
to
the
council,
member.
V
So
I've
been
in
conversation
with
Richard
the
past
few
weeks
to
see.
If
what
would
happen
if
we
took
the
building
down
to
47
feet,
which
is
kind
of
right
around
what
the
kind
of
intent
of
the
current
zoning
would
allow,
for,
it
says
47
feet
or
or
three
stories,
I
believe
and
and
it's
kind
of
funky,
because
I
don't
think
three
stories
and
47
feet
really:
there's
a
conflict.
There
I
think
it
really
would
come
down
to
about
45
feet,
but
the
current
zoning
says
47
feet
or
three
stories.
V
I
think
is
the
wording,
so
we
think
47
feet
better
complies
with
the
intent
of
the
current
zoning
and
currently
I
believe
it's
57
feet.
You
know
my
recommendation:
is
we
bring
it
down
to
47
feet?
V
What
I
wanted
to
make
sure
of
is
that
we
wouldn't
lose
any
of
the
three
bedrooms
which
are
really
important.
We
had
in
our
Revenue
sharing
shift
Revenue
discussion,
sharing
discussion
with
District
65.
We
heard
lot
even
from
District
65
that
we
need
more
housing
for
families
and
I've
even
heard
from
many
of
the
people
in
this
room
who
oppose
this
project?
Who
criticized
the
inclusionary
housing
units
downtown
because
of
their
small
size?
V
We've
only
been
able
to
achieve
one
one
bedrooms
and
studio
apartments,
and
so
there
is
a
path
to
do
it.
The
the
hesitancy
was
Richard
needed
to
reach
back
out
to
Ida,
who
had
already
approved
the
light
tech
funding
to
make
sure
that
they
would
be
supportive
of
this
change
and
he
can
speak.
You
know
about
for
what
you
know
what
he
heard,
but
basically
the
new
unit
composition
would
be
11,
three
bedrooms,
10
two
bedrooms
and
then
12,
one
bedrooms.
A
You
repeat
that
slowly,
please
yeah,
sorry,
I
think
this
would
have
to
go
back
through
Landings
commission.
It.
A
D
V
And
the
parking
would
remain
the
same.
I
believe
I
won
the
101
with
a
little
bit
of
parking
spaces
to
spare
for
visitors
Etc,
and
then
we
would
need
to
I
think
the
we'd
take
down
two
feet
from
the
commercial
I
think
it
said,
15
feet
right
now
that
would
be
13
feet
and
then
I
think
that's
it
I.
V
AB
V
W
Good
evening
Liz,
Williams,
Planning
and
Zoning
manager,
so
council
member
Burns,
is
asking
what.
AC
The
West
Evanston
overlay
allows
per
height
for
height,
it
does
allow
47
feet
or
three
stories
and
then
in
the
overlay
there
are,
you
know
maximum
and
minimum
height
requirements
per
floor.
So
you
know
the
code
contemplates
both
in
terms
of
three
stories
or
47
feet.
So
it's
just
the
the
math
doesn't
always
equal
out
to
47
feet
to
his
per
Point,
depending
upon
how
tall
the
stories
they
are
proposing.
AC
V
A
40
seconds
so
I
thought
it'd
be
three
Okay,
so
I'm
sorry
does
someone
else
want
to
comment
so
yeah
I
mean
I
need
to
see
that
I
can't
vote
on
something
without
seeing
the
new
plan
I
mean
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
we
should
be
voting
on
something
and
we
don't
see
a
new
proposal.
I
mean
I,
think
that
does
sound
preferable
for
stories
instead
of
five
stories.
Certainly
but
I
don't
think
that
would
be
responsible
to
vote
on
something
without
seeing
the
new
revised
plan.
V
A
Z
So
so,
adding
units
will
add
traffic
because
people
have
cars.
What
the
traffic
study
says
is
that,
based
on
the
traffic
flow
and
how
people
go
to
work
at
different
times,
go
to
school
at
different
times,
leave
the
building
at
different
times.
Not
all
44
units
or
33
units
would
be
leaving
at
the
exact
same
time,
which
would
of
course
create
an
impact.
It's
because
people
leave
at
different
times
and
they
come
back
at
different
times.
So
because
it's
one
car
here,
one
car
there,
what
happens
is
per
the
traffic
flow.
Z
V
I
think
that's
we're
going
to
see
I
think
supporting
that
work
is
gonna
result
in
an
improved
traffic
circulation
in
the
area,
much
more
than
for
you
know,
preventing
this
project
from
moving
forward,
which
is
why,
when
I
heard
that
concern
in
the
community
I
always
tell
people
you
know,
I
know
I
have
a
good
sense
of
what's
Happening,
where,
where
I
am
but
I
really
expected
or
benefit
from
the
community,
telling
me
what
the
concerns
are
there.
So
we've
heard
several
people
talk
about
issues
about
traffic
circulation
in
the
area.
V
I
immediately
met
I
think
within
that
same
week
or
the
next
week,
because
that
was
on
a
Friday
when
I,
when
I
met
with
him
in
the
church,
I
met
with
him
and
and
was
you
know,
appreciated
the
fact
that
staff
was
already
looking
at
this
based
on
a
lot
of
feedback.
It's
gotten
from
the
business
Community,
but
also
residents
so
I
think
we'll
we'll
address
this
in
the
Mesa
Park
expansion
work.
A
Okay
and
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
historic,
the
landmark
building
right
next
to
it,
because
it
is
adjoining
I
feel
very
concerned
that
I
would
like
to
have
this
assessed.
I
mean
the
preservation
commission
does
review
plan
developments
that
affect
proposed
or
designated
landmarks,
and
certainly
this
is
going
to
affect
I
mean
I,
don't
think
we
can
dispute
that
and
I
have
great
respect
for
our
boards
committees
and
commissions
and
their
expertise.
I
would
like
to
hear
their
assessment.
A
A
V
If
I
can
quickly
respond
to
that
as
the
because,
it's
not
in
by
understanding
is
because
it's
not
an
historic
district,
because
it
is
this.
The
subject.
Property
is
not
the
Landmark
property.
V
That's
something
that
would
be
a
better
fit
to
address.
Kind
of
your
request
is
to
create
a
consideration
as
a
as
a
condition
which
I'll
read
so
I
got.
This
certainly
is
also
our
planet
manager
planning
his
own
division
manager.
V
The
applicant
shall
work
with
the
preservation
commission
prior
to
demolition,
to
review
the
construction
management
plan,
photo
documentation
of
existing
conditions
and
a
report
issue
by
certified
structural
engineer
that
documents
measures
taken
to
ensure
the
proposed
construction
activities
will
not
have
a
structural
impact
on
the
landmark
building
in
1817
Church,
Church
Street,
so
Liz.
V
A
Thank
you,
but
I
just
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
the
statement
of
purpose
for
the
preservation
commission
is
to
review
plan
developments
that
affect
proposed
or
designated
landmarks,
and
this
this
isn't
just
across
the
street.
I
mean
this,
is
you
know,
Cuts
up
directly
against
it,
so
this
will
absolutely
affect
it
and
and
that
this
is
under
their
purview.
This
is
their
domain.
A
This
is
the
statement
of
purpose
I,
as
well
as
seeing
I
mean
a
plan
of
a
whole
new
plan
with
reduced
I
I
can't
move
forward
on
this
without
having
the
new
proposals,
while
I
would
also
like
the
preservation,
commission,
commissions,
review
and
recommendations
and
and
considerations
that
we
should
keep
in
mind.
U
Thank
you.
It's
a
historic
preservation,
commission,
it's
not
the
structural,
Integrity
commission,
so
I
I
don't
see
a
reason
to
refer
this
to
Historic
preservation.
If
the
concern
is
structural,
integrity
and
I
think
there
are
other
mechanisms
in
place
for
that.
We
had
the
same
concern
on
Main
Street
with
the
Vogue
project
and
the
building
next
door.
Zero
inches
set
back
with
an
eye
doctor
in
the
building
who
had
sensitive
instruments
that
she
was
concerned
about
survived
the
pile
driving
process.
So
engineering
will
enable
this
to
happen.
I'm
not
concerned
about
about
that.
AB
Yes,
I
I
Jonathan
just
said
what
I
was
about
to
say,
which
is
the
preservation.
Commission
doesn't
have
a
yay
or
nay
say
over
this.
AB
What
they're
going
to
advise
is
how
to
protect
the
building,
while
it's
being
how
to
protect
the
historic
building
while
the
new
building
is
being
built,
and
that's
actually
the
language
that
council
member
Burns
was
just
reading
that
that
happens
in
many
instances
where
we
have
historic
buildings
or
buildings
in
the
landmark
district
and
that
need
to
be
protected
while
other
construction
is
going
on
nearby
and
that
language
is
or
something
similar
has
been
used.
Many
times
yeah
and
I
mean
this
historic
building
has
been
had
many
lives.
AB
While
I
have
been
here
on
this
Council,
there
was
I,
don't
now
I,
don't
remember
how
long
ago
it
was
proposed
to
be
the
a
Black,
History,
Center,
probably
10
or
15
years
ago.
So
it's
a
beautiful
old
building.
Y
AB
It
it
certainly
can
be
protected
just
like
men.
Many
many
other
older
buildings
have
are
protected
all
the
time
here
in
Evanston
with
good
construction
management.
So
I
don't
see
that
it.
It
needs
to
go
back
to
the
preservation,
Commission.
D
D
In
addition
to
sort
of
making
sure
that,
as
the
construction
happens,
the
Demolition
and
the
construction
happens,
the
historic
building
is
safe.
D
I
I
would
also
like
to
highlight
the
concern
about
the
storm
water
management,
because
the
historic
buildings
had
a
lot
of
flooding
issues
and
so
just
making
sure
that
that's
something
that
we're
really
going
to
be.
You
know
taking
a
close
look
at
so
that.
A
So
you
know,
I
I,
think,
there's
a
misunderstanding
about
what
the
preservation
commission's
entire
mission
is.
It
is
not
just
about
the
structure
whether
the
building
will
fall
down
or
not
it's
about
design
and
how
it
works
with
the
prep
with
with
Landmark
buildings,
and
if
it
were
in
a
historic
district,
how
how
it
Blends
in
there-
and
so
it's
it's
more
than
whether
or
not
the
building
will
fall
down.
It's
also
they
they
are.
You
know
experts
in
with
regard
to
historic
buildings
they
may
offer.
These
are
Architects.
A
That
know
far
more
than
we
do.
That
may
offer
some
suggestions
in
terms
of
making
that
building
work
better
even
visually
and
aesthetically
on
that
block
and
I.
Think
I
I
for
one
absolutely
would
like
their
opinion
on
this
I
would
like
their
suggestions
on
ways.
Perhaps
they'll
come
up
with
something
that
we
wouldn't
never
occur
to
us.
That
would
make
that
work
better
with
that
with
the
Historic
Landmark
building
there.
A
So
it's
not
just
about
the
preservation
commission,
it's
not
about
whether
building
will
stand
or
not
that
type
of
Integrity
I
also
have
so
I
I.
I
absolutely
would
like
the
preservation
commissions
input
on
this
I
would
also
you
know.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
are
very
concerned
about
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
that
we
have
in
this
part
of
town
and
I
feel
like
I,
really
need
to
see
how
scattered
our
affordable
housing
is.
A
I've
heard
loud
and
clear
from
residents.
I've
heard
about
this
for
a
long
time.
This
isn't
new,
so
I,
respect
that
concern
and
I
think
we
should
all
be
concerned
about
that.
I
think
we're
not
looking
looking
to
further
sort
of
deepen
segregation
in
Evanston,
so
those
are
my
concerns.
I
I
can't
I
can't
right
now
support
this
without
information,
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
that
the
building
will
come
down
in
height,
but
that
would
be
to
Me
Irresponsible
not
to
have
that
go
back.
This
is
still
a
variation,
a
significant
variation.
A
AB
I
believe
that
a
project
has
to
go
back
if
it's,
if
it
is
significantly
changed
or
meaning
larger
or
different,
this
is
actually
smaller,
and
so
it
is
within
the
envelope
of
what
was
approved,
and
so
it
doesn't
have
to
go
back.
A
A
I
can't
decide
I'm
supposed
to
say
I,
don't
like
a
five-story
building,
but
now
I'm
supposed
to
say
this
one's
fine,
but
I
can't
see
it.
I
can't
see
the
plan.
I
can't
visualize
it
I
can't
I
mean
that
to
me
is
not.
U
V
V
Is
is
whether
it's
required
or
not?
My
understanding
is
not
required
to
the
what
was
stated
before
about
affordable
housing,
I,
agree
and
I
I
hope
this
same
group.
That's
here
today
supports
you,
know
the
comprehensive
planning
process
and
make
sure
chair.
Can
you
please
that's
what.
V
I
think
the
comp
plan
is
a
wonderful
place
to
ensure
that
that
the
the
zoning
around
the
community
supports,
affordable
housing,
supports
higher
density
across
the
community.
I
think
that's
something
that
I
100
support
and
I
think
this
body
does.
So
that's
that's
the
place
to
address
that,
but
somehow
to
to
say,
I've
heard
people
refer
to
this
as
dumping
this
in
in
the
community
and
and
then
my
question
was:
are
you
saying
that
the
tenants
are
trash
or
I?
V
V
Thank
you,
I
think
some
of
the
double
talk
I
hear
is
that,
and
you
hear
this
around,
especially
in
the
African-American
Community,
where
they
say
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
preserve
not
just
affordability
generally
in
Evanston,
but
in
the
Fifth
Ward
in
particular,
because
a
school
was
just
approved
there,
and
one
of
the
concerns
I
hear
is
that
people
believe
that
this,
the
only
reason
why
the
district
has
approved
the
school
is
because
there's
more
white
people
that
live
in
the
neighborhood.
V
That
is,
that
is
something
that
I've
repeatedly
heard,
and
so
why
wouldn't
we
want
to
find
any
and
all
opportunities
to
make
Evanston
more
livable
in
the
area
where
the
school
is
going
again,
a
lot
of
double
talk
so
again,
I
think
this
is
the
the
right
project.
We've
again
my
concern
I
think
this
was
shared
with
the
community.
V
Obviously,
they
would
like
something
that
some
committee
members
like
something
that's
smaller
but
I,
think
we've
we've
taken
it
down
10
feet
as
as
Richard
said
earlier,
we've
I
think
they've
learned
from
past
challenges,
which
is
why,
from
the
beginning,
they
decided
to
take
one
of
the
units
offline
so
that
no
matter
the
income
of
the
individual,
they
can
get
the
right
person
likely
a
maintenance
person
to
be
in
the
in
the
building
to
be
the
eyes
and
ears
and
to
address
any
kind
of
concerns
that
that
happened.
V
I
think
in
addition
to
that
and
Richard
I've
talked
we've
talked
about
this
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
a
final
answer
on
it,
but
the
potential
to
get
a
property
manager
on
site
hodc
has
an
increasing
amount
of
units
that
they
manage
and
maintain
and
own
in
in
Evanston,
specifically,
and
so
another
idea
that
I
had
is
why
not
just
it
might
be
the
right
time
to
have
a
property
manager
headquartered
at
this
site
and
they
can
work
kind
of
at
all
the
the
other
properties
in
Evanston
and
I.
V
Z
I
think
I
mean
we
proposed
already
to
have
a
manager's
office
located
in
the
building,
and
we
anticipate
that
the
manager
would
come
there,
work
with
tenants
and
interact
with
them,
but,
like
you
said,
based
on
the
number
of
units
that
we
have
in
Evanston
at
our
other
properties,
we
do
have
sort
of
a
central
core
where
that's
the
main
office
they
work
out
of.
They
then
can
reach
all
the
other
offices
from
there.
Z
V
We
have
the
unit
that's
taken
offline
for
likely
a
maintenance
person.
We
have
a.
We
have
an
office
that
property
managers
can
work
off.
Work
out
of
I've
also
heard
concerns
about
Green,
Space
and
I
kind
of
joke,
with
one
of
the
Neighbors
in
a
meeting,
I
was
like
Mason,
Park,
isn't
big
enough.
The
Mason
Park
is
a
stone.
Throw
away
from
this.
This
site,
I
think
I
would
agree
in
some
cases
if
there
was.
V
This
was
like
some
remote
area,
but
the
Fifth
Ward
is
pretty
good
in
that
there's
a
decent
amount
of
open,
Green
Space
in
particular,
in
this
area
a
stone
throws
away
at
Mason
Park,
and
then
we
also
have
a
lot
along
the
channel
Trail
as
well.
So
I
think.
The
community
members
that
that
will
live
here
will
will
have
their
fair
share
of
open,
Green
Space,
which
is
a
great
thing
and
and
then
again,
the
traffic
congestion
was
another
issue,
and,
and
so
I
tried
to
figure
out
at
the
what?
V
What
at
the
root?
What
is
creating
the
traffic
congestion
issues,
not
perception,
but
at
the
root,
what
is
causing
it,
which
is
what
I
identified
earlier,
which
is
why
I
continue
to
say
I
think
by
addressing
that
issue,
we'll
have
a
much
greater
impact
on
traffic
circulation
in
the
area.
That's
all
for
now
sure
thank
you.
U
Z
We
have
not
spent
much
time
on
on
that.
We
haven't
done
much
Outreach
because
we
don't
know
exactly
the
nature
of
the
spaces.
People
have
offered
suggestions.
It's
we're
really
open
to
ideas.
We're
looking
for
Community
businesses
looking
for
businesses
that
would
be
accepted
by
the
community,
be
interested
and
be
used
by
the
community,
but
I
just
don't
have
anything
moved
far
enough
along
to
discuss
at
this
point
and.
Z
It
would
it
would
not
necessarily
be
Market.
Rent
we'd
have
to
work
out
a
deal.
It's
going
to
be
below
Market.
Rent
I
would
assume
on
the
retail
space
too.
We've
got
a
business
that
would
be
successful,
whether
I
mean
we
could
do
a
training
center
if
that's
possible.
If
there's
a
group
that
wants
to
run
and
operate,
that,
that's
something
that's
been
brought
up
many
times
or
child
care
or
bakery
or
like
we,
we
would
love
to
do
something
that
made
sense
there,
but
it's
a
new
area
for
us.
Z
It'd
probably
be
small
for
a
sit-down
restaurant
councilmember
Burns
had
mentioned
that
very
early
on,
but
something
that
could
bring
in
food
there's.
A
group
I
believe
that
is
looking
for
a
home
for
doing
cooking
for
food,
for
groups
that
go
out
and
have
the
food
carts
and
something
like
that
would
be
really
really
interesting.
Opportunity.
Z
A
Thank
you
councilmember,
so
you
said
you
anticipate,
you
know
I'm
very
concerned
about
Management
on
site,
so
you
anticipate
or
you
will,
can
we
get
more
I
I'm
looking
for
firmer
words
in
terms
of
on-site
management
here.
Y
Z
There
will
be
one
Central,
as
I've
said,
we
would
have
a
unit
that
would
be
in
the
building.
That
would
not
be
an
income
required
unit,
so
it
would
be
a
person
staffed
by
hodc
and
then
separately.
A
property
manager
would
work
primarily
out
of
this
office
for
all
of
our
Evanston
buildings.
So
those
are
two
separate
pieces.
A
Z
Z
And
separately,
there
would
be
a
property
manager
in
charge
of
all
the
management
management
aspects
of
the
building,
making
sure
that
the
leases
are
signed.
That
tf10
is
released
compliant.
That
person
who
nor
would
operate
out
of
hudc's
office
would
operate,
have
this
as
their
central
office,
but
also
managing
the
other
buildings
in
Evanston
again
with
lease
compliance
and
all
the
other
issues
involved,
Leasing
and
mana
and
renting
of
those
units.
A
Y
M
Z
A
Z
Z
It
would
be
on
the
first
floor
on
the
first
so
in
the
on
each
floor
on
the
building
so
the
first
floor,
where
you
come
in,
it's
just
the
entry
Lobby
and
then
the
retail
space
on
either
side
of
that,
and
then
you
get
to
the
elevator
and
you
go
up
when
you
go
up
each
floor
has
a
a
common
space
and
on
one
floor
that
space
is
going
to
be
the
office
on
another
floor.
That's
going
to
be
the
laundry
and,
on
the
other,
on
the
third
floor,
it
will
be
the
community
room.
A
Concerns
me
somewhat
I
I
know
the
other
locale
I'd
really
like
to
have
at
least
somebody
right
now
in
the
lobby
at
a
desk.
I
think
would
help
tremendously
with
the
well-being
of
our
residents
there.
So
I'm
just
I
want
to
ensure
that
going
forward
that
we,
you
know
operate
with
best
practice
possible
I
also
have
so
that
I
I.
You
know.
I
would
like
to
see
that
if
we,
you
know
could
get
that
you
know
someone
up
on
the
second
floor.
Z
A
And
then,
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
you
said
you
applied
for
this
ability
to
put
Evanston
residents
prioritize
that
Evanston
residence.
How
long
does
that
take
before
you
get
a
response
as
to
whether
or
not
you'd
be
permitted
to
prioritize
evidence
and
residents,
and
do
you
have
another?
Can
you
reference
another
building
that
you
have
where
this
is
currently
done?.
Z
C
We
were
able
to
get
a
a
local
preference
for
the
scattered
site
portion
of
the
neighborhood
stabilization
program
and
that
preference
included
people
who
lived
or
worked
in
Evanston
and
that
was
allowed
tax
credit
projects
have
different
people
involved
and
different
requirements,
and
so
I'm
not
aware
of
one
where
that
has
been
done
with
a
tax
credit
project.
That
doesn't
mean
it
can't
be
done.
One
of
the
things
we
have
successfully
done
working
with
developers
is
we
establish
what
we
call
interested
parties
list.
In
other
words,
people
contact
the
city.
C
We
put
them
on
a
list.
People
who
find
out
about
about
the
project
are
in
the
city
first,
because
that's
where
people
here
that
it's
being
built,
we
then
can
provide
that
list
to
the
developer
and
if
they
do
rank
order
of
people
going
through,
it
generally
gives
quite
a
strong
evidence
and
presence,
that's
a
preference.
That
is
in
essence
what
we
did
with
the
Emerson
square,
and
it
is
also
what
we
did
with
the
andrini
apartments.
A
V
Into
I
think
the
30
years
is
is
a
is
that
a
HUD
or
requirement
yeah.
V
V
Of
the
council,
no,
you
got
just
give
me
a
moment,
give
me
a
moment
and
so
I
always
use
burnshore.
As
an
example,
brings
your
private
developer
right,
different
Mission
once
those
properties
that's
take
the
scatter
site
properties,
because
I
was
just
mentioned,
but
once
that
affordability
restriction
expires,
you
know
they
plan
to
sell
the
properties
right.
V
Their
mission
is
not
to
is
not
necessarily
to
continue
to
have
affordable
housing
in
those
scatter
site
at
the
scatter
sites,
and
so
one
of
the
part
of
the
scope
of
a
working
group
I,
put
together
called
the
here
to
stay
committee,
is
to
renegotiate
how
to
renegotiate
those
affordability
restrictions
or
when,
in
in
this
situation,
with
Bridge
Shore.
V
Now
we
have
to
figure
out
find
identify
another
partner
before
those
units
are
are
sold
and
put
potentially
put
back
up
to
market
rate,
and
so
we
will
lose
50
or
so
scattered
site,
affordable
housing
units
across
the
city.
I
think
here
what
Richard
has
said
is
again
there.
The
mission
is
different
they're
not
for
profit.
Somebody
mentioned
in
the
crowd.
There's
an
LSC
of
all.
There
is
a
for-profit
involved
for
good
reason.
V
This
this
this
site
will
actually
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
put
this
back
on
the
tax
rolls
because
there's
a
church
now
that
owns
the
the
church
owns
their
property
and
then
a
lot
next
to
it,
which
is
where
we
plan
to
have
hodc.
So
it's
actually
a
good
thing
that
there's
a
an
LLC
or
whatever
the
way
is
structured,
but
a
for-profit
organization
specifically
to
to
own
the
to
own
the
building,
because
it
allowed
they're
going
to
pay
property
taxes.
V
So
now
we're
putting
a
a
building
back
back
on
the
tax
rows,
but
I
think
it's
it's
the
mission
we've
it's
I,
think
it's
the
reason
why
you
see
cities
in
particular
partner
with
affordable
housing
developers,
your
C
plus
your
hodcs,
your
Reba,
because
their
mission
is
to
provide
affordable,
housing
and
perpetuity.
If
we
were
to
partner
with
a
private
developer,
we
couldn't
make
that
same
statement.
A
You
councilmember
Burns,
so
I
I
just
want
to
also
respond
well
for
one
thing:
when
there's
a
variance
just
for
the
record,
we
can
ask
for
whatever
we
want,
and
so
when
you
say
it's
their
mission,
that's
fine!
But
if
we
want
this
to
be
because
they're
asking
for
variance,
we
have
a
right
to
say
we
want
a
certain
percent
of
units
to
be
affordable
in
perpetuity
because
there
are
variances
so
that
that's
true.
So
that's
when
I
say
it's
the
mission
of
the
council.
A
Also,
when
we're
looking
at
plan
developments,
we
can
say
we
want.
You
know
one
half
of
those
to
remain
forever
affordable.
That
can
be
something
that
we
can
say
when
we
approve
plan
development,
so
just
to
be
clear
on
that,
it's
not
entirely
just
up
to
the
developer.
It
is
if
it's
with
and
right,
then
yes,
but
not
when
they're
asking
for
a
plan.
Development
I
mean
I
also
want
to
respond
council
member
burns
with
all
due
respect.
I
mean
you
talk
about
double
talk
here.
A
I
think
people
here
and
I
am
also
feel
very
strongly
that
low-income
folks
also
have
a
right
to
live
in
neighborhoods
of
quality
of
you
know,
dignified
neighborhoods,
with
green
space
and
buildings
that
aren't,
you
know
packed.
You
know
that
that
are
reasonable,
that
are
beautiful
architecture
that
work
well
with
the
neighborhood
and
I
think
that's
what
people
are
coming
out
against
they're,
not
coming
out
against
affordable
units
they're
coming
out
against
the
way
this
is
being
presented
about
having
it
in
small.
V
That
record
straight,
if
you
can,
let
me
respond
since
you
address
me,
I
think
I,
don't
know
if
I
think
this
is
a
dignified
area
to
live
in
yeah
I
think
yeah,
the
Fifth
Ward,
you
know
I,
said
earlier
benefits
already
from
about
a
green
space,
both
along
the
canal,
but
also
Mason
Park
again,
which
is
right
near
the
site
and
I
think
by
adding
retail
back
it
we
provide
another
amenity,
you
know,
I
would
love
to
see
retail
there
and
not
necessarily
A
a
non-profit
use.
V
I
think
we
can
find
a
better
place
for
that
in
Family
Focus,
who
is
that
site
is
currently
underutilized
and
so
once
they
renovate
their
space.
Maybe
if,
if
we
do
continue
to
have
non-for-profits
interested
in
in
serving
the
community
in
these
space,
I
think
that's
a
better
fit
for
it.
Part
of
the
reason
why
even
just
for
me
to
get
you
know
behind
this
early
on
is
one
of
the
conditions.
I
had
was
ground
floor,
retail,
the
I
believe
in
walkable
communities.
V
We
want
to
make
sure
that
things
that
people
need
are
in
close
walking
distance
to
where
they
are
and
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
to
advance
that
goal
through
the
ground
floor,
retail
that
this
will
bring
back
and
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
the
this,
the
requests
for
a
local
priority
was
not
one
that
was
imposed
on
near
the
city
by
the
community
or
anyone
else.
That
was
another
condition
that
I
told
Richard
very
early
on
that
there
needs
to
be
a
local
priority
here.
V
I
grew
up
in
Evanston
I
understand
the
criticisms
that
Emerson
Square
got,
that
they
were
that
it
moved
in
that
there
were
a
lot
of
people
from
Chicago
who
benefited
from
that
project.
Some
would
say
you
know
if
you
provide
affordable
housing,
no
matter
who
it
serves,
that
that's
that's
a
value
to
the
community.
I've
always
taken
the
firm
position,
especially
as
somebody
who
grew
up
in
Evanston
that
have
had
friends
move
out
of
Evanston
because
of
the
High
Cost
of
Living
is
that
there
needs
to
be
an
affordable.
V
A
local
priority
on
this
project
and
HUD
does
mention.
Afford
local
preferences-
and
this
is
the
way
to
to
get
approval
on
it
right-
it's
just
submit
to
HUD
that
that
we
be
allowed
to
do
it.
There's
some
precedent
before
with
the
scattered
site
housing
as
Sarah
said.
So
this
is
the
way
we
can.
We
can
work
towards.
This
is
to
make
the
request
and
we
made
that
request.
I
mean
months
ago
again
that
was
like
okay
I
need
to
see
ground
floor,
retail
I
need
to
see
local
priority.
AA
A
Thank
you,
councilmember,
Burns,
okay,
so
I
guess,
we'll
start
moving
forward.
I
am
going
to
ask
for
a
hold
on
this
I
I
can
tell
from
the
sentiment
up
here
that
I
probably
won't
get
a
second,
but
nevertheless,
I
would
like
to
see
this
held
into
the
preservation.
Commission
can
weigh
in
and
give
us
some
guidance
so
that
we
can
make
a
better
informed
decision
and,
of
course,
I
think
we
absolutely
should
shouldn't
vote
on
this
until
we've
seen
the
new
plan.
A
I
think
it's
disrespectful
to
the
community
to
have
such
a
this
is
a
new
building
to
say
that
we're
just
going
to
vote
it.
Okay,
sure
lower
it
we'll
go
with
that.
I
mean
that
just
doesn't
seem
right
at
all
by
my
standards.
I
certainly
can't
do
that.
So
I
would
like
to
see
it
held
for
some
opinion
and
guidance
from
the
preservation
commission,
I'd
like
to
see
the
new
schematic,
or
at
least
a
you
know,
General
plan
for
this,
so
I
can
see
it
as
it
lines
up
on
the
street.
A
So
I
can
make
a
better
informed
decision.
I'd
also
like
to
see
a
have
a
discussion
at
some
point
on
our
affordable
housing
and
see
maps
and
and
understand
where
about
the
clustering
of
affordable
housing
and
how
we,
where
we
really
do,
need
to
look
at
placing
more
affordable
housing
in
response
to
resident
concerns.
So
I
would
like
to
move
to
hold
it
until
we
can
get
again
see
the
plan.
I
can't
move
forward
voting
on
this
without
seeing
a
plan.
That
is
a
significant
change.
AA
A
point
of
information
chair
Kelly,
a
hold,
is
not
appropriate
at
committee.
We
can
only
table
okay.
A
Then
I
think
a
table
then
I'd
like
to
have
this
tabled
until
we
can
get
feedback
from
the
preservation
commission
and
look
and
see
the
plan
that
we're
voting
on.
So.
V
So
before
this
is,
if
before
this
is
finalized,
we're
going
to
have
you
know
opportunities
for
you
know
to
see
the
revised
plans.
This
is
it's
exactly
the
same.
It's
a
smaller
building
parking
is
not
changing,
it's
just
being
reduced
and
so
we'll
have
that
opportunity
to
review
those
changes
before
this
is
is
finalized
and
I.
Don't
see
any
reason
to
table
this
or
hold
this
at
this
point.
V
Yeah
I
mean
I
can
make
that
Amendment
if,
if
yeah
so
I'd
like
to
amend
this
to.
V
Yeah,
so
this
will
go
from
a
57
57
feet
in
terms
of
the
heist
to
47
feet:
there'll
be
12,
one
bedrooms,
10
two
bedrooms
and
11
three
bedrooms
provided
so
I'll
make
that
Amendment.
V
A
Yes,
so
you're
moving
an
amendment
and
council
member
when
you've
seconded
council
member
Burns,
Amendment,
okay.
U
E
V
Y
D
AD
P
A
Y
A
A
Z
We
have
the
rents
that
you
see
in
the
packet,
the
rentals
that
we're
charging,
and
so
the
nice
thing
about
having
those
rents
that
are
below
what's
otherwise
out
there
on
the
market
is
that
we,
a
household
that
has
a
moderate
income,
doesn't
need
to
have
section
in
order
to
be
able
to
afford
that
rent.
That's
the
reason
that
we
have
the
rents
at
those
low
levels.
A
Z
P
V
Square
is
another
good
good
example
on
this.
That's
also
light
tag
funded,
affordable,
affordably
priced
and
there
are
certainly
voucher
holders
within
that
property.
So
Sheriff
we
can
yeah.
A
P
G
By
not
sending
this
back
to
land
use
committee,
the
public
does
not
allow
to
speak
on
the
project
of
the
significant
changes.
Alderman
2.
You
cannot
deny
the
public
for
speaking
on
a
significant
change
to
this
building.
This
must
go
back
to
land
use
where
we
can
question
this
developer
and
what
he
has
made
a
change.
This
is
wrong
and
you
all
need
to
go
to.
A
AD
A
C
When
the
Housing
Authority
puts
Section
8
tenants
into
any
apartment,
they
negotiate
or
they
determine
the
rent
they
are
willing
to
pay.
It
is
by
ZIP
code.
This
is
an
area,
that's
used.
What
is
called
the
small
area
rents
and
the
rental
rates
for
unit
sizes
are
different
in
every
single
zip
code
in
Cook
County,
it
is
determined
by
the
housing
authority
and
the
property
manager,
assuming
that
it
is
not
below
what
their
rents
would
be
has
to
take
it.
C
AD
Is
not
an
issue
I'm
sorry,
my
name
is
Delisa
I'm
a
tenant
of
hldc
I've
been
attendant
for
22
years.
AD
Live
in
Skokie
they
every
every
year
we
have
to
give
paperwork
of
our
our
income.
They
come
around.
They
clean
the
building.
They
have
an
office
downstairs,
it's
kept
clean,
they
do
inspections.
If
you
violate
anything
on
there,
you
know
they
give
you.
You
know
you
may
have
a
warning
or
whatever
I
have
not
had
any
problems
with
them.
I
live
in
Evanston.
First
I
was
a
single
mom
with
a
one-year-old
baby.
I
was
on
their
waiting
list.
AD
For
probably
a
year
before
I
had
my
son,
my
name
came
up.
I
was
living
in
Evanston
on
Monroe
and
Florence,
paying
eleven
hundred
dollars
a
month.
My
name
came
up,
I
moved
there
and
I've
been
there
ever
since
I
have
not
had
any
problems
with
them.
They're
very
supportive.
We
had
got
a
grant
to
move
out,
HUD
had
a
grant,
they
moved
us
out
to
another
unit
until
they
finished
renovating
our
buildings,
and
it's
so
much
better.
Now
we
don't
have
any
problems
over
there
with
them.
Thank.
A
A
Q
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Oh
thank
you.
Okay,
okay
with
okay,
so
I
think
we're.
Now
we
voted
on
the
amendment
so.
Y
AD
AD
W
V
U
E
C
U
Move
so
I
will
move
to
untable
the
discussion
of
item
P2,
which
is
the
church
with
yourself.
A
U
So,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Since
we
have
moved
item
P3
forward,
the
hodc
property
at
a
lower
height
than
had
previously
been
contemplated,
I
want
to
discuss
the
possibility
of
reducing
the
height
of
the
church
building
as
well.
U
If
the
Architects
from
the
church
would
be
willing
to
speak
to
that
I'd
love
to
hear
what
your
thoughts
are.
Thank
you
foreign.
Yes,.
B
Thank
you.
The
height
of
the
building,
currently
as
it
is,
is
at
39
feet
the
roof
and
the
parapets
at
44
feet.
The
typical
B2
zoning
is
45
feet,
so
we
would
meet
that
in
a
typical
situation.
The
the
height
comes
from
multiple
components,
one
being
the
auditory
experience
within
the
worship.
B
So
it's
a
very
functional
programmatic
element
for
the
acoustic
quality
of
that
space
and
sewing
having
typically
an
auditorium
you're,
going
to
have
a
narrow
space
with
a
tall
ceiling,
so
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
the
height
is
what
it
is.
The
other
element
is
just
from
an
urban
fabric
standpoint.
This
is
a
corner
building,
so
you
typically
want
the
corner
building
to
hold
that
edge,
and
so
that
is
just
from
an
urban
standpoint.
B
One
reason
that
the
again
the
height
is
what
it
is.
Another
element
is
the
the
structure
we're
using
a
long
span
structure,
which
is
a
method
to
economically
construct
the
space,
but
it's
also
a
way
to
build
the
space
quicker.
The
construction
time
is
reduced
by
having
a
prefabricated
steel
structure.
So
those
are
the
reasons
the
height
is
what
it
is.
We
did
bring
a
model
that
does
show
the
building
in
the
context,
and
we
do
feel
that
if
the
scale
of
the
church
fits
within
the
fabric,
the
building
at
1817
is
approximately
35
feet.
B
A
U
B
Y
B
Y
N
U
U
Y
B
A
Do
you
have
an
image
there
with
the
other,
in
conjunction
with
the
other
buildings.
B
X
This
is,
this
is
a
comprehensive
perspective,
so
in
order
to
create
the
vertical
as
a
vertical,
not
the
three-point
perspective,
as
usually
you
get
from
your
camera,
so
you
have
to
do
that.
There's
going
to
be
a
distortion,
that's
reason
why
we
bring
model,
and
if
you
look
at
this
one
was
it
you
even
can
move
this
one
right
next
to
the
1817,
and
you
can
see
how
significant
or
insignificant
about
the
height
of
the
building.
A
So
the
the
amended
proposal
will
run
flush
or
just
a
little
bit
under
or
over.
Oh
he's,
not
here,
council
members
I
was
just
asking
for
the
your
the
newly
amended
building,
which
we
can't
see.
We.
A
V
AD
A
Okay,
any
other
discussion.
A
AB
A
V
V
A
I
believe
that
concludes
our
meeting
of
planning
and
development
and
city
council
will
start
at,
should
we
say
8
30
or
in
five
minutes:
okay,
we'll
start
it
8
20.
city
council.
Thank
you.