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A
B
C
B
D
E
A
F
A
Clear
it
up.
Thank
you.
So
the
community
asked
for
an
expert
witness
to
have
comment
and
I
am
allowing
five
minutes.
Is
that
person
here?
Thank
you.
So
you
will
have
five
minutes
to
present.
Northwestern
will
be
presenting
for
10
minutes
for
10
minutes,
and
then
we
will
move
on
with
the
agenda.
Thank
you.
H
A
E
Thank
you
very
much.
The
plan
Commission
did
a
disservice
to
the
community
at
large
to
the
neighbors
dear
Northwestern's,
well,
shrine
arena
and
Ryan
Stadium
and
to
this
council.
This
issue
should
never
have
reached
the
City
Council.
The
Plan
Commission
demonstrated
their
lack
of
integrity
and
bias
towards
Northwestern
northwestern
did
not
provide
a
parking
study.
Northwestern
did
not
provide
a
traffic
study.
Northwestern
did
not
provide
an
economic
impact
study
regarding
property
values.
E
E
I
K
J
Name
is
Jonathan
bow
and
I
live
at
2754
Broadway
I
live
a
block
and
a
half
from
Welsh
Ryan
arena
and
Ryan
field
and
I
support
expanding
Northwestern's
ability
to
host
for
for-profit
events.
I
have
lived
in
my
current
home
for
more
than
20
years
and
I
grew
up
in
a
house
two
blocks
from
these
northwestern
facilities.
I
have
never
felt
besieged
by
guests
and
northwestern
events,
occasional
bouts
of
a
little
temporary
inconvenience
sure.
But
let's
look
at
the
big
picture.
L
Hello
Amelia,
so
there's
a
history
of
conflict
going
back
decades
and
affects
the
decision
you're
facing
tonight
and
news
playing
fields
originally
where,
on
its
main
campus
in
the
early
1900s
over
the
objections
of
citizens
and
you
built
wooden,
stands
on
Central
Street
tracks.
Now
there
are
several
athletic
facilities
there.
L
The
Evanston
zoning
code
didn't
allow
professional
sports
or
commercial
events
there
and
those
things
were
banned,
but
for
a
long
time-
and
you
did
not
pay
attention
to
the
ban
in
1969-
and
you
illegal-
you
hosted
the
tennis
tournament
there
and
when
they
did
it
again
next
year,
the
city
sued,
one
of
the
news
common
tactics
was
to
claim
precedent.
The
idea
that,
because
in
the
past
the
city
had
allowed
for-profit
events,
it
couldn't
restrict
and
use
ability
to
put
on
such
events
in
the
future.
We
know
the
story
about
the
Bears
game.
L
One
of
the
main
reasons
the
city
could
not
get
an
injunction.
A
game
was
played
because
the
president
argument
was
used.
The
city,
tired
of
this
and
added
language,
explicitly
limiting
a
news
activities
to
amateur
nonprofit
events
in
the
zoning
code,
and
you
argued
that
a
city
like
the
power
to
aesthetics
activities
that
way
he
kept
on
hosting
or
trying
to
host
illegal
for-profit
events
and
those
events
often
generated
their
own
lawsuit.
Then
you
and
you
sued
the
city
trying
to
invalidate
the
entire
zoning
restrictions.
It
went
all
the
way
to
the
Illinois
Supreme
Court.
L
The
court
sided
with
the
city
and
upheld
the
zoning
restrictions,
even
after
that,
a
new
host
illegal
events
kept
trying
to
change
the
zoning
code.
Every
time
the
City
Council
found
that
lifting
the
ban
on
poor
sports
and
commercial
events
would
hurt
residents
and
they
voted
to
protect
them
and
reject
a
news
proposal.
So
now
again,
a
new
is
trying
again
this
time.
They
want
a
blanket
permission
to
put
on
an
unspecified
events
as
of
right.
M
A
N
So
I
get
more
than
three
minutes
two
minutes.
Why
is
history
important?
Well?
History
is
important
because
it
defines
the
very
fabric
of
our
lives.
It
creates
precedent
and
precedent,
of
course,
is
the
cornerstone
of
our
laws.
Consistency
of
our
laws
allows
for
stability,
predictability
in
our
communities
and
the
existing
ordinance
was
created
over
50
years
ago
after
a
number
of
attacks
on
the
neighborhood
by
northwestern
abusing
his
purpose,
as
it
wants
to
do
again.
Fair
government
then
created
standards,
and
these
are
the
standards
that
I
ask
you
to
look
at
before.
N
N
You
know
that
if
you
were
to
change
this
law
right
now,
northwestern
is
asking
you
to
change
this
law,
not
because
they've
met
those
standards
or
because
they
presented
you
with
any
research
or
studies.
It's
simply
because
they
want
to
by
that
change
with
city
revenue
and
don't
believe
for
one
moment
that
this
is
the
only
thing
that
they'll
do.
N
F
Okay,
McFarland
I
think
thank
you
so
I'm
a
lawyer,
so
I
also
tend
to
focus
on
the
legal
standards
that
would
apply
here,
but
before
I
get
into
that
I
want
to
quickly
correct
a
misconception.
The
plan
Commission
got
the
mistaken
belief
that
the
amendment
would
actually
reduce
the
number
of
large
events
at
Northwestern
that
take
place.
That
is
simply
not
true.
Currently,
the
only
large
events
that
nu
actually
holds
over
3,500
of
people
say
our
football
basketball
graduations,
which
are
29
event
days
per
year
with
its
amendment.
F
It
would
be
42
event
days
per
year,
that
is
a
45
percent
increase,
so
almost
as
half
as
much
again
so
that
will
increase.
Then
they
will
intensify
the
youth
there.
Let's
talk
about
the
standards
gary
noted
that
these
of
the
legal
standards
that
apply
we
have
given
you
all
packets
that
go
along
with
some
of
the
presentations
by
the
neighbors.
There
is
one
that
it
has
the
standards
on
it,
for
instance,
the
first
one.
Is
it
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
general
plan
which
are
overall
zoning
values?
F
Really,
if
it
compatible,
was
a
character
of
the
surrounding
development,
which
is
entirely
residential,
you
don't
want
to
create
conflict
by
putting
contrary
use
of
right
next
to
each
other,
and
then
will
it
have
an
adverse
effect
on
property
values,
and
that
is
important
for
two
reasons.
First,
safeguarding
Evanston's
property
tax
base
and
second,
these
are
people's
homes,
which
are
often
their
biggest
assets
and
their
nest
eggs
in
many
case.
F
The
last
is
our
existing
public
facilities
adequate
or
will
a
place
of
greater
strain
on
the
city's
infrastructure,
and
there
is
also
the
purpose
of
the
zoning
amendment
code
is
to
allow
for
amendments
when
there
is
a
need
for
them.
15
seconds.
I
would
say
that
northwestern
has
not
demonstrated
that
meets
either
the
standards
or
the
need.
I
also
wanted
to
address
a
factor
number
one,
but
I
don't
think
I'll
have
time.
If
you
flip
over
the
sheet
that
has
the
standards
on
it,
you
will
see
listed
things
from
the
comprehensive
general
plan.
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Judy
Berg
I'm
a
26
year
resident
within
500
feet
of
the
u-2
district.
I,
come
to
you
tonight
to
talk
about
the
impact
of
large
events
on
Havenstein
businesses
over
50
Central
Street
businesses,
who
feel
they
are
underrepresented
by
the
chamber
and
by
the
city,
have
signed
the
petition
opposing
the
new
proposal.
This
represents
more
than
half
of
the
business
in
the
Central
Street
shopping
area.
You
can
refer
to
the
email
in
your
packet
from
an
owner
of
notice.
We'll
give
you
more
information.
K
Many
businesses
in
the
Central
Street
area
are
deserted
and
large
event
days
at
previous
meeting.
One
business
owner
expressed
that
on
large
event
days,
all
there
is
is
a
large
sea
of
purple.
The
traffic
is
congested,
there's
no
parking
pedestrian
traffic
is
double
twofold.
There
are
no
customers
coming
to
their
businesses,
local
patrons
stay
away
during
large
events.
Because
of
the
reasons
above
while
we
all
want
to
support
our
local
businesses
and
large
event
days,
many
of
us
have
shopped
and
dined
in
Wilmette,
complete
with
free
parking
on
these
days.
K
Those
attending
any
events
go
to
the
event
they
leave
they're,
not
staying
they're,
not
shopping
local
businesses
or
venturing
downtown.
A
new
is
aiming
to
meet
all
the
attendees
needs
inside
their
own
athletic
facilities
by
expanding
food
offerings
and
selling
alcohol
inside.
If
passed,
it
will
be
competing
with
local
entertainment
venues
throughout
the
entire
city,
giving
n
you
an
unfair
advantage
as
and
you
doesn't
pay
property
taxes
on
its
venues.
Restaurants
or
bars
10
seconds
I
encourage
all
of
you
to
say
no
to
Pro.
Thank
you.
P
Hi
I'm
Amanda
Bratton
and
my
statement
is
about
whether
a
news
proposal
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area.
It's
not.
Let
me
share
why.
First
of
all
it's
a
matter
of
safety
for
families
in
the
area.
Currently
we
are
able
to
plan
for
safety
issues
of
increased
traffic
and
people,
because
collegiate
events
are
predictable.
In
many
ways,
special
non
collegiate
events
will
come
with
multiple
unknowns.
P
Increasing
events
to
a
year-round
schedule
equates
to
an
increased
and
year-round
safety
risk
to
the
communities,
adjacent
Northwestern's,
athletic
facilities.
These
adverse
effects
wear
away
at
the
unique
character
of
our
tight
knee
tightly
knit
social
neighbourhood,
which
leads
me
to
my
second
point:
upholding
the
current
u2
zoning
as
a
matter
of
precedent
for
protecting
all
neighborhoods
and
their
unique
cultures.
P
Our
neighborhood
west
of
the
u2
zone
may
be
one
of
the
best
kept
secrets
in
all
of
Evanston
families
who
move
here
often
say
they
feel
as
though
they've
been
they've
stumbled
into
a
time
warp
back
to
a
place.
A
time
when
life
was
a
little
bit
simpler,
young
and
old.
Look
out
for
each
other.
Kids
play
pickup
baseball
games
in
the
park
and
friends
go
caroling
during
the
holidays.
We
hunt
for
Easter
eggs
and
trade
Halloween
candy
next
to
a
community
campfire.
We
gather
in
the
dark
depths
of
winter
to
share
meals
together.
P
Q
This
is
like
speed
talking,
hi
I'm
gonna,
try
to
cut
through
this
really
quickly.
I'm,
a
32
resident
of
Evanston
I've
been
a
real
estate
broker
and
Avastin
in
North
Shore
communities
for
40
years,
and
my
job
involves
working
with
clients
to
buy
and
sell
residential
and
investment
properties.
Well,
this
is
provided
me
with
the
wealth
of
experience,
insight
and
information
as
to
how
existing
zoning
and
zoning
changes
in
external
state
markets,
as
well
as
buyer-seller
economic
decisions
pertaining
to
real
estate.
Q
I'm
asking
you
to
preserve
the
trust
of
people
have
in
your
city
and
adhere
to
your
zones
code
people
look
for
stability
when
they
are
purchasing
a
home
or
opening
a
business.
What
appears
to
be
a
similar
uses,
indeed
significantly
different
and
the
economic
impact
of
changing
this
use
to
allow
commercial
use
their
facility
in
the
middle
of
residential
neighborhoods
will
have
economic
and
precedent-setting
impacts
felt
throughout
the
community
for
years
to
come,
the
u-two
district.
This
is
not
a
question
of.
Q
To
the
city,
coffers
and
school
budgets,
if
their
tax
base
is
lost
by
depreciation,
it'll
have
to
be
picked
up
by
other
taxpayers
in
other
areas
of
the
cities.
These
homes
have
substantial
value
because
the
people
buying
England
have
had
confidence
in
our
city
government
to
maintain
their
abuse
in
the
Kern
zone.
A
study
done
in
1970s
and
again
in
1996
I,
said
there
to
change.
The
use
to
professional
sports
concludes
that
doing
so
would
cause
nearby
property
values
to
deteriorate,
stop
investing
in
the
upkeep
of
their
properties.
Q
R
R
Name
is
Ken
proxy
from
the
seventh
Ward
at
earlier
meetings.
You've
heard
me
present
maps,
charts
and
analysis,
comparing
the
14
Big
Ten
arenas
access
roads
in
proximity
to
residences.
Since
then,
when
you
haven't
seen
I've
added
eight
Ivy
League
schools
to
this
analysis,
because
many
believe
northwestern
is
actually
more
like
these
schools.
This
information
is
in
your
packet.
These
comparisons
are
relevant
because,
with
one
exception,
each
University
in
town
has
separated
their
sports
arenas
from
residential
areas
to
minimize
congestion
and
conflict.
They
also
have
infrastructures
that
support
large
crowds
at
their
arenas.
R
If
you
look
at
the
map
for
Northwestern
you'll
see
that
there
over
five
hundred
and
twenty
family
homes,
twenty-one
multifamily
dwellings
adjacent
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
arena.
There
are
dramatic
differences
that
all
the
other
21
schools
in
the
Ivy
League
and
the
big
ten
most
of
these
have
no
homes
near
within
a
thousand
feet.
They
have
adequate
parking
access
roads
and
are
separate
from
residential
areas.
Even
the
more
urban
Ivy
League
schools,
the
u-2
district
is
inside
of
not
separate
from
a
packed
residential
area
and
there
is
insufficient
parking
infrastructure.
R
For
example,
there's
only
enough
parking
for
about
58%
of
the
people
that
go
to
the
arena
and
there's
a
parking
analysis
in
one
of
the
slides
that
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
reality
is
that
there
are
unavoidable
landlocked
constraints
that
prevent
separating
the
u-2
district
from
residential
areas.
Events,
the
existing
events,
already
place
a
strain
on
the
adding
13
days
of
sold-out.
Temporary
events
will
make
a
difficult
situation
even
worse
by
increasing
the
intensification
of
use
beyond.
G
R
S
Good
evening,
good
evening,
I'm
a
29
year
resident
of
Evanston
and
I
just
like
to
give
you
a
little
perspective
as
a
retired
lawyer
and
judge
about
the
legal
analysis
that
I
think
is
going
on
here,
there's
two
things
you
have
going
for
you
here:
two
things
to
guide
you,
one,
there's
a
burden
of
proof
and
two.
There
are
factors
that
are
delineated
in
the
ordinance
that
you
have
to
consider
and
I'm
gonna
sum
up
a
little
bit
about
what
my
neighbors
have
said.
S
The
burden
of
proof
is
on
Northwestern,
it's
on
northwestern
to
show
that
there
is
not
a
negative
impact.
It's
not
on
the
neighbors
to
show
the
opposite.
They
haven't
done
that
and
the
second
thing
is:
you
have
to
go
through
the
factors
that
are
outlined
in
the
ordinance,
and
this
is
what
my
neighbors
have
talked
about.
First
of
all,
the
first
factor,
the
request
is
inconsistent
with
the
general
plan.
Northwestern
has
not
given
you
a
single
reason,
a
single
goal
of
the
plan
that
this
would
help.
S
Second
of
all,
the
amendments
inconsistent
with
the
overall
character
and
existent
existing
uses
of
the
immediate
vicinity
northwestern
ignored.
This
standard
completely
well
you've
heard
from
numerous
people
how
it
is
inconsistent,
third,
adverse
effect
on
adjacent
property
values.
You've
heard
from
mr.
Osinski
you're
going
to
hear
from
our
experts
about
this,
and
it's
just
common
sense,
and
when
the
city
revenue
drops,
because
everyone's
appealed,
their
tax
assessment
in
two
years,
that's
going
to
be
the
reason.
Fourth
of
all,
the
existing
facilities
are
inadequate,
they've
been
inadequate
for
years.
S
This
is
just
going
to
make
it
worse
worse.
Finally,
this
is
all
unnecessary.
Northwestern
has
enormous
financial
resources;
they
don't
need
the
money,
they
just
want
the
money
and
they
have
campus
facilities
where
they
could
stage
these
events.
It's
simply
a
matter
of
whether
the
concerns
of
hundreds
of
taxpayer
longtime
evidence,
Evanston
residents,
will
be
ignored
in
favor
of
an
extraordinarily
wealthy
tax-exempt
entity,
which
has
demonstrated
no
actual
need
for
this
amendment.
Thank
you.
T
Good
evening
my
name
is
Christina
Brandt
I
reside
in
the
seventh
Ward
I,
come
before
you
tonight
to
voice
my
strong
opposition
to
granting
Northwestern
University's
request.
I
also
come
before
you
as
a
previous
resident
of
other
Big
Ten
communities,
which
include
Madison,
Wisconsin,
Iowa,
City,
Iowa
and
Ann
Arbor
Michigan.
Sadly,
by
far
the
most
contentious
and
least
cooperative
relationship
between
city
and
university
is
here
between
Northwestern
University
and
the
city
of
Evanston.
T
This
is
due
in
part
to
asks
such
as
this,
which
put
undue
burden
on
the
residents
of
Evanston
by
a
long-standing
institution
who
enjoys
its
land
free
of
tax
burden.
However,
this
freedom
is
not
without
cost
the
residents
of
Evanston
shoulder
the
financial
burden
directly
placed
upon
them
by
northwestern
status.
There
are
no
benefits
to
site
that
offset
the
negative
impacts
on
the
Evanston
neighbors.
An
abundance
of
entertainment
options
already
exist
for
Evanston
residents.
T
These
include
city,
centers,
theater
productions,
Evanston
space,
music
events,
Chandler
lawn
events,
northwestern
theater
events,
Evanston
Rocks,
mudlark,
theatres,
et
HS,
theater
and
music
concerts,
Fleetwood,
Jordan,
theater,
Evanston
symphony
North,
Flight,
theater,
northwestern
symphony
events
concerts
in
the
parks,
seasonal
festivals,
not
to
mention
Chicago
and
Ravinia,
which
are
both
a
short
train
ride
away.
If
you
choose
to
support
the
change
in
zoning
ordinance,
then
please
be
prepared
to
explain
why
you
voted
differently
than
your
predecessors
in
this
immensely
important
matter.
T
I
am
hopeful
for
brighter
days
ahead
when
the
city
of
Evanston
and
Northwestern
University
can
have
a
truly
collaborative
and
respectful
relationship.
Please
vote
no
on
taking
the
Nu
zoning
amendment
any
further
than
this
forum
to
recognize
the
current
imbalance
which
exists
between
northwestern
and
the
residents
of
Evanston.
We.
H
Doctors
have
a
Hippocratic
oath;
first,
do
no
harm
elected
officials
here
in
Evanston
may
not
have
that
oath,
but
they
do
have
something
more
important.
They
have
the
philosophy
on
which
the
city
government
is
based
and
that
philosophy
puts
the
interest
of
its
residents,
not
it's
institutions.
First,
that
philosophy
says
that
zoning
in
this
city
will
support
institutions
only
to
the
extent
that
they
don't
do
harm
to
residential
communities.
H
Each
one
of
you
is
regularly
asking
the
others
to
do
something
to
work
out
for
the
good
of
people
in
your
ward
today,
Alderman
suffered
in
an
alderman
Revell
are
doing
just
that
and
I
hope
that
each
of
you
will
listen
carefully
because
nobody
knows
better
than
them.
Nobody
knows
better
than
the
two
thousand
people
and
fifty
businesses
that
have
signed
our
petition.
No
one
knows
better
than
the
hundreds
of
people
who
have
written
to
emailed
you
quality
or
showing
up
at
meetings.
H
This
proposal
will
do
to
the
Northside
of
Evanston.
Two
weeks
ago,
I
was
here
because
alderman
Rainey
had
a
proposal
that
would
help
her
community,
not
our
community,
lowering
the
tenor,
giving
a
tax
break
in
her
community.
Those
taxes
go
up
in
ours
and
all
of
you
virtually
supported
her
right.
Well,
here's
another
instance
where
you
we
need
you
to
step
up
and
support
us,
because,
what's
good
for
the
Northside
of
Evanston
is
good
for
all
of
Evanston,
we
need
to
vote.
We
need
you
to
vote
in.
A
U
Hi
I'm
Roger
Sousa
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
I'm,
here
to
present
my
support
in
it
for
this
initiative.
Well,
I've
come
basically
with
facts
and
statistics
that
we've
drawn
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
did
a
survey
of
Evanston
residents
and
businesses.
We
survey
2000
individuals.
Our
results
are
fairly
plain:
71
percent
were
in
favor
of
the
proposal.
I
can
present
you
with
the
rest
of
the
statistics.
I
have
the
survey
results
with
me,
but
they
were
provided
to
the
point
to
earlier
Commission's
as
well.
U
So
71
percent
of
the
residents
who
were
surveyed
in
the
community
were
in
favor
of
that
proposal.
Let's
talk
about
the
economic
impact
of
the
additional
of
the
additional
events.
I
would
appreciate
the
same
level
of
courtesy
that
I
gave
everybody
else.
The
economic
impact
of
the
additional
events,
first
of
all
in
the
local
economy.
Studies
that
we
have
done
in
conjunction
with
the
theaters
of
Evanston
show
that
every
person
who
attends
an
evening
or
a
theater
event
in
the
city
of
Evanston
spends
approximately
$30.
U
If
you
do
the
math
with
that,
that's
approximately
1.2
million
dollars
in
the
local
economy
of
additional
sales
I
do
not
believe
there
is
such
a
thing
as
a
crowding
out
effect
or
people
stay
home
because
other
people
are
in
your
community.
The
sales
of
tickets
at
the
event
will
generate
another
four
hundred.
Seventy
five
thousand
dollars
in
tax
revenue
and
that's
again
just
math
I-
can
have
those
things
here
as
well.
The
above
impact
doesn't
include
items
like
hotel
rooms
for
teams
visiting
performers
and
things
like
that.
That
will
add
additional
revenue.
U
Property
values
are
plain
and
simple,
not
hurt.
By
increasing
events,
we've
studied
the
property
values
for
the
last
ten
years.
They've
remained
steady
and,
in
fact,
the
highest
property
sales
numbers
were
in
2017
and
in
2019
area
in
times
of
increased
activity
by
northwestern
on
campus
and
the
property
values
now
in
this
area
are
at
the
highest
they
have
ever
been.
They'd
have
to
follow
the
trend
of
the
market
up
and
down,
but
they
have
just
statistically
gone
up
to
the
northwest
corner.
15
seconds
property
values
aren't
hurt
by
proximity
to
a
concert.
Venue.
U
A
G
V
Excuse
me
hi,
my
name
is
Karen
York,
my
husband
and
I
have
lived
26:22
Eastwood
Avenue
for
the
past
15
years,
I
was
going
to
yield
my
time,
but
I
decided
to
take
a
few
moments
to
say
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
I
believe
that
my
neighbors
agree
with
me.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
being
anti
Northwestern
University.
V
One
of
the
things
that
we
like
moving
into
this
neighborhood
was
the
fact
that
we
understood
the
kind
of
community
spirit
and
the
kind
of
fun
time
that
you
could
have
on
a
Saturday
during
a
football
game.
This
is
how
next,
however,
not
the
same
for
an
expanded
use
of
that
facility
for
evening
events
that
are
not
of
a
collegiate
or
not-for-profit
nature
and
I
would
like
to
counter
the
previous
speaker
who
I
know
I
have
a
small
business.
V
I
am
a
member
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
I
pay
dues
every
year
and
I
do
not
want
this
to
pass,
nor
do
any
of
our
neighbors.
We
did
not
buy
our
house
and
pour
over
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
into
it,
which
we
are
still
continuing
to
do
so
that
we
could
live
next
to
a
large
event
venue
like
Soldier,
Field
or
Allstate
Arena.
Please
support
the
people
that
voted
you
into
office
and
deny
this
request
by
Northwestern
I'll
yield
the
rest
of
my
time
to
our
expert
speaker.
Thank
you.
A
W
Hi
good
evening,
I'm,
the
chairman
of
the
steering
committee
for
the
Evan
sewing's
for
fun.
We
say
yes
to
the
new
proposal
for
Walsh
Ryan
into
arena.
We
support
the
proposals
them
and
this
zoning
code
to
allow
seven
events
per
year
at
the
wall
shrine
arena.
This
proposal
will
provide
jobs,
additional
tax
revenue
and
add
to
Evanston's
growing
reputation
as
a
cultural
and
entertainment
destination
and
we
think
there's
an
element
of
equity
that
has
not
been
focused
on
the
proposals.
Limited
scope
doesn't
establish
any
binding
legal
precedents
and
expires
in
December
31st
of
2021.
W
To
date,
I
have
not
heard
any
equity
discussed
and
from
our
group's
perspective
this
is
very
important
or
disciplined
that
hasn't
been
addressed.
We
asked
the
question:
why
did
the
city
of
Evanston
approve
a
water
pumping
station
on
Church
Street
over
the
objection
of
fifth
Ward
neighbors,
and
why
are
at
the
same
or
similar
standards
being
applied
tonight?
I
heard
the
gentleman
say:
seventy
one
percent
of
his
respondents
agreed
this
should
pass
as
part
of
our
effort
we
went
out
and
we
had
a
petition.
I
sent
it
to
you
on
Friday
with
90
signatures.
W
We've
got
an
additional
ten
plus
an
additional
twenty
seven
on
a
signature.
Two-Thirds
two
out
of
every
three
people
we
approached
were
in
agreement.
We
went
to
the
Main
Street
train
station,
we
went
to
the
Davis
Street
train
station
and
we
think
that
there's
a
broader
part
of
the
community
that
is
in
support
of
this
effort.
Yeah.
We
recognize
the
inconveniences
that
some
people
are
gonna,
feel
or
write
in
the
immediate
neighborhood.
W
C
C
Zoning
is
to
provide
for
consistent
property
standards
and
protection
of
citizens
to
have
quiet
enjoyment
in
their
own
homes.
No
variance,
no
zoning
that
were
adversely
affect
residents
should
ever
get
to
this
point
to
even
be
considered
for
enactment
I'm
opposed
to
ordinance
135
0:19.
The
requests
that
you
deny
approval
of
this.
Thank
you.
X
Naked
madam
chair
three
disclaimers
Jane
Grover,
2677,
Prairie,
Avenue,
first
I
live
a
few
blocks
from
welshman
Arena
in
the
Central
Street
business
district.
My
block
of
prey
Avenue
was
affected
by
and
burdened
by
activity
generated
by
all
those
places.
Second,
my
son
attends
Northwestern
University
and
for
those
who
question
how
he
was
admitted,
Joe
would
be
glad
to
share
his
qualifications
for
admission
to
the
University
third
I.
X
Do
chair
the
equity,
empowerment,
Commission,
but
I
do
not
speak
for
the
equity,
empowerment,
Commission,
rather
I
as
an
individual
and
for
some
of
my
neighbors
who
are
not
comfortable
speaking
tonight
on
the
question
of
whether
to
allow
events
at
Welsh,
rhinorrhea
and
I
offer
an
analogy
for
you.
Let
me
put
in
your
mind
the
image
of
an
iceberg.
What
we've
been
talking
about
and
hearing
that
tonight
is
what's
above
the
surface
of
this
iceberg.
X
Those
are
issues
such
as
assumptions
about
traffic
and
about
how
people
will
travel
to
these
events
at
Welsh,
winery
and
assumptions
about
the
behavior
of
attendees,
the
assumptions
about
the
ability
of
Evanston
police
and
fire
and
northwestern
police
to
be
able
to
manage
these
events.
What
the
City
Council
decided,
20
or
30
years
ago,
the
university
is
in
tension
and
character.
The
economic
impact
to
revenue
generated
weather
events
such
as
these
proposed
are
like
what
we
hosted
at
Canal
shores
this
summer.
Our
Evanston
Ravinia
affects
property
values
and
safety
of
children.
X
X
Events
that
Park
that
packed
their
parking,
lots
that
jam
the
streets
with
traffic
that
park
up
the
streets
that
bring
outsiders
to
Evanston,
and
that,
of
course,
is
Evanston
Township
High
School,
the
neighborhood
surrounding
ths
Barre
also
a
huge
burden
for
hosting
these
events
that
generate
economic
activity
in
our
in
our
community.
Those
are
taxpaying
long-term
residents
of
Evanston
who
live
in
the
second
and
fifth
Ward's.
X
The
question
here
tonight
should
be
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
as
a
whole,
with
mindfulness
about
the
hyperlocal
impact
of
these
kinds
of
dysbiosis
and
the
proposed
the
proposal
recommended
by
staff
and
endorsed
by
the
plan.
Commission
is
a
best
practice
for
something
like
this.
Thank
you
thank
you
and.
Y
Y
Y
They've
gotten
beat
up
and
III
just
over
ten
years
that
I've
been
kind
of
working
on
things
with
Northwestern
I
just
want
to
say,
I,
really
appreciate
what
they're
doing
and
I
understand.
Some
of
my
neighbors
are
not
happy
with
this,
but
I
live
literally
right
next
door
to
it
and
I'm
kind
of
excited
about
it.
To
be
honest
with
you,
thank
you.
Thank.
Z
A
AA
My
name
is
Stuart
Godman
I
resided
27:40
Broadway
Avenue
moved
into
the
neighborhood
about
eight
nine
years
ago.
I
loved
the
football
games
I'm
supportive
of
Northwestern
generally
okay,
but
this
proposal
adds
a
significant
number
of
dates
and
we
already
are
unable
to
park
on
our
streets
for
about
30
days
a
year.
So
it's
going
to
have
major
impact
on
the
community.
AA
I
think
northwestern
needs
to
figure
out
whether
it
is
a
for-profit
entertainment
company
or
whether
it's
a
not-for-profit
educational
institution
yep.
If
they
wish
to
have
professional
events
and
for-profit
activities
on
campus
adjacent
to
our
neighborhood,
then
they
should
be
paying
property
taxes
for
all
of
their
property.
AA
The
last
thing
that
I
would
say
is
is
that
in
the
time
since
the
last
time
Northwestern
tried
to
do
this
and
I
appreciate
their
efforts
on
their
interests,
nothing
has
changed
if
anything,
there's
there's
less
parking.
So
every
time
before
this,
the
City
Council
has
said
we're
going
to
protect
the
neighbors
and
the
neighborhood
I.
Don't
think
anything
has
changed
here,
other
than
fewer
parking
spots
on
Northwestern's
area
and
I
asked
you
respectfully
to
vote
against
it.
Thank.
Z
Gui
mo
nd
I
testified
in
1996,
and
the
council
was
unanimous
against
pro
sports
at
Ryan
arena.
I
have
submitted
this
to
the
aldermen
I
would
encourage
you
to
read
my
test
written
testimony
because
I
am
NOT
a
speed,
talker
or
a
speed
reader,
but
I
refute
everything
that
mr.
Sousa
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
said
in
this
document.
Please
read
it
it.
It
cites
much
of
the
economic
literature
which
says
that
these
kinds
of
things
are
losers
for
cities
and,
in
some
cases,
their
negative
impact.
So
you
might
be,
you
might
actually
be
doing.
Z
Let
me
read
one
little
thing.
This
would
be
the
economic
equivalent
of
Evanston
imposing
a
tax
on
itself,
its
residents
and
its
businesses
all
for
the
benefit
of
Northwestern
and
northwestern
right.
Now
they
pay
1
million
dollars
to
this
city,
and
that's
it
they
they
claim
they
pay
ticket
tax
revenue.
They
do
not.
The
attendees
and
events
pay
tax
to
the
city,
not
Northwestern,
I'd
like
to
know
what
else
they
give
to
this
city
and,
like
I
said.
Please
read
this
document.
AB
G
AB
Name
is
Howard
Richter
I'm,
a
member
of
the
appraisal
Institute
with
the
M
AI
designation
and
one
a
fewer
than
500
people
in
the
country
designated
as
a
reviewer
of
appraisals,
I'm
twice
past,
president
of
the
Illinois
Association
of
Real,
Estate,
Appraisers,
etc.
You
have
my
professional
qualifications.
AB
I've
appeared
dozens
of
times
before
planning
committees,
City
Council's,
village,
boards,
etc.
On
the
question
of
what
we
appraisers
call
adverse
economic
impact
of
adjacent
uses.
Among
those
occasions,
I
will
remind
you.
One
is
in
Lisle
Illinois,
where
the
board's
refusal
to
give
me
more
than
two
minutes
to
speak
went
all
the
way
to
the
Illinois
Supreme
Court,
which,
throughout
the
village
board
decision,
because
a
solely
under
Open
Meetings
Act
as
a
paid
expert
I,
should
have
been
entitled
to
equal
time.
AB
Unlimited
time,
I
caution
you
on
that
one
of
my
other
times
experience
in
testifying
before
boards
was
the
1996
Northwestern
University
case
here
in
Evanston.
At
that
time,
a
northwestern
so-called
expert
made
the
broad
statement
that
increased
activities
would
have
no
impact
on
values.
I
then
presented
a
very
detailed
study.
We
had
done
for
a
fee
which
showed
a
13%
impact
on
home
values
surrounding
Dyke
Stadium,
with
its
limited
events
scheduled
to
even
suggest
that
increasing
the
number
of
events
and
the
size
of
events
being
held
in
a
residential
neighborhood
has
no
impact
on
values.
AB
AB
They
believe
their
home
values
will
be
a
pet
impacted,
since
they
are
typical
of
the
people
buying
homes,
people
coming
to
buy
homes
in
the
area,
we'll
have
a
similar
reaction.
It's
it's
an
evident.
It's
self-evident
in
1996,
Northwestern
attempted
to
have
a
real-estate
expert
testify
that
there
was
no
adverse
influence,
was
laughed
out
after
my
presentation.
Any
suggestion
today
that
it
will
not
adversely
impact
values
is
ludicrous
at
a
minimum.
Your
ordinance
requires
the
petitioner
to
demonstrate
what
the
impact
is.
Reason
for
my
appearance
today
is
Northwestern.
University
should
be
held
to
that
standard.
AB
G
AB
There
is
an
appropriate
method
and
technique
in
appraising
called
paired
sales
analysis.
It
was
done
at
Yale
when
they
expanded
their
athletic
activities
and,
as
a
result,
the
homeowners
at
least
got
major
real
estate
tax
reductions
because
of
the
demonstrated
negative
impact
on
values
was
recognized
by
the
Assessor.
If
not
the
community,
that
same
thing
would
happen
here.
The
velocity
values
would
be
recognized
would
be
recognized
in
real
estate.
Taxes
would
recognize
and
home
values
and,
in
some
cases,
in
this
market,
the
inability
of
residents
to
sell
their
homes
at
virtually
any
price.
AB
You
should
hold
the
university
responsible
for
the
basic
impact
studies
that
are
typical
in
these
situations.
I
was
shocked
when
I
heard
earlier
testimony.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
true
that
no
traffic
studies
were
done,
the
University
provided
no
economic
impact
studies,
they're
simply
saying
we
want
it,
give
it
to
us
I'm
suggesting
they
should
be
held
to
the
test
of
demonstrating
their
representations.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Item
a
ordinance,
135
Oh
nineteen
amending
portions
of
the
zoning
ordinance
related
to
permitted
use
within
that
you
to
zoning
district.
The
plan
Commission
recommends
approval
of
a
text
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
revise
language
regarding
permitted
uses
in
the
you
to
university
athletic
facilities
district.
This
is
for
introduction
a.
A
AC
AC
Members,
city
staff,
my
name
is
Dave
Davis
again
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
for
neighborhood
and
community
relations
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
present
on
our
proposal
and
explain
to
flacks
clips
on
the
misconceptions
and
discuss
the
community
benefits
to
this.
So
our
agenda
is
pretty
simple
and
we'll
be
able
to
run
through
this
relatively
fast
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
pilot
project,
the
standards
of
approval,
the
organist
financial
projections,
northwestern's
broader
economic
impact
and
also
what
we're
doing
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
our
neighbors
before
we
get
started.
AC
Our
president
Morticia
Parra
often
says
that
the
university
is
blessed
to
be
located
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
We
believe
strongly
that
for
northwestern
to
be
a
great
University
and
continue
to
attract
the
best
and
brightest
students,
faculty
and
staff
members,
we
need
a
strong
and
vibrant
Evanston
and
for
over
160
years,
Northwestern
Evanston
have
worked
together
to
make
this
community
an
outstanding
place
to
live,
work
and
learn,
and
we
are
committed
to
strengthen
this
partnership,
enhancing
the
quality
of
life
for
all
residents.
Mike.
You
want
to
take
over.
AD
The
proposed
zoning
amendment
would
allow
the
university
to
host
a
limited
number
of
professional
sports
concerts
and
other
public
events
in
our
athletic
facility.
No
modification
is
needed
whatsoever.
Our
facilities
in
the
YouTube
district.
There
is
going
to
be
a
reduction
of
events
that
were
possible
that
we
were
permitted
to
have
from
35
to
13
annually.
There
also
is
a
reduction
in
the
capacity
for
each
of
these
13
events
from
ten
thousand
to
seven
thousand
and
lastly,
there
is
a
sunset
provision
that
would
repeal
the
amendment
at
the
end
of
2021.
AC
So
our
proposal
is
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
Our
facility
was
specifically
designed
to
host
professional
sporting
events,
as
well
as
other
special
events
in
our
proposal.
Our
proposal
are
our
Atletico
sila
tees.
Sari
was
specifically
designed
to
hold
sporting
events
and
other
special
events,
and
our
proposal
would
allow
us
to
simply
host
different
types
of
events
in
our
facilities.
We
already
host
sporting
events
at
wall,
shrine
arena
and
Ryan
field.
AC
Our
proposal
simply
allows
us
to
host
different
types
of
foreign
events
in
our
venues
our
students
already
host
concerts
in
while
shrine
arena
every
single
year.
We
know
the
impact
we've
seen
citations,
there
hasn't
been
any
we've
seen
it.
We've
heard
the
complaints
there
hasn't
been
into
my
office
regarding
our
concerts,
as
well
as
our
other
special
events,
so
this
has
already
taken
place.
This
is
not
new.
We
know
the
impact
it's
on
record.
AC
This
was
simply
allow
us
to
do
different
types
of
events
and
given
the
limited
scope
of
for
pilot
projects,
the
provisions
that
were
written
into
the
ordinances
to
protect
the
surrounding
community
and
the
additional
measures
we
plan
to
take
to
protect
the
safety
and
security
of
our
neighbors.
Yes,
the
proposed
text
amendment
will
not
have
any
adverse
effects
on
the
values
of
the
properties
in
the
area
and
lastly,
after
five
hours
of
deliberations,
public
testimony
needs
presentations
and
hearings
from
our
community
members.
AC
AD
Want
to
talk
through
the
financial
projections,
real
quick!
This
is
a
summary
that
speaks
to
the
concerts
and
tennis
events
just
again
proposed
six
concerts
and
then
that
seven-day,
multiple
sporting
event.
We
just
took
tennis
as
an
example.
We
will,
then
you
will
pay
the
city
a
hundred
ninety
five
thousand,
a
little
bit
more
in
ticket
and
amusement
taxes.
Those
are
the
two
different
tax
brackets
from
a
concession
standpoint.
AD
We
pay
the
city,
two
percent
of
all
concessions
that
come
in,
not
including
any
alcohol
taxes,
and
that
would
be
twenty
one
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
and
then
per
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
study
with
the
folks
that
are
coming
in,
we
would
generate
an
additional
1.2
million
dollars
for
a
total
on
an
annual
basis
of
more
than
1.4
million
dollars.
Based
upon
the
change
in
this
ordinance,
if
you
could
turn
to
the
next
page,
I'll
get
into
the
details
a
little
bit
quicker.
There
are
six
concerts.
AD
We
are
recommending
six
thousand
attendees
with
an
average
cost
of
eighty
five
dollars.
The
average
cost
nationally
right
now
for
a
concert,
is
ninety
four
dollars
plus
revenues
of
a
little
bit
more
than
three
million
and
in
the
tax
revenues
at
the
four
percent
is
120
thousand
the
tennis
events,
a
smaller
crowd.
Twenty
five
hundred,
perhaps
the
average
cost.
The
ticket
is
thirty,
five
dollars
for
six
hundred
thousand
and
revenue,
but
that's
at
the
12
percent
for
$73,000
and
then
the
projections
for
the
concessions.
AD
13
events,
fifty
three
thousand
five
hundred
a
per
cap
estimate
of
twenty
dollars
ahead,
which
generates
twenty
one
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
in
revenues,
and
then
this
last
one
I
think
is
important
to
delineate
as
well.
While
we
will
at
we,
we
expect
to
have
roughly
fifty
three
thousand
so
people
come
to
these
events.
We
have
taken
a
25
percent,
25
percent
reduction
on
the
attendees,
based
upon
the
fact
that
we
don't
want
to
have
any
duplicity
that
there
might
be
Evanston
residents
that
will
be
going.
AD
AC
Want
to
take
a
moment
here
just
talk
about
the
broader
economic
impact
of
nor'westers
presence
here
in
the
city
of
Evanston,
because
we've
heard
a
lot
over
the
last
seven
months
that
Northwestern
does
not
contribute
to
the
city
of
Evanston.
We
only
provide
our
1
million
dollar
good
neighbor
fund,
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
Our
our
opponents
are
correct.
That
northwestern
is
exempt
from
paying
any
local
property
taxes.
AC
However,
northwestern
pays
the
city
and
estimate
of
nine
million
dollars
annually
in
taxes
and
fees
and
because
northwestern
provides
most
of
our
municipal
services
ourselves
for
our
land
and
our
buildings.
We
actually
save
them
city
money
because
we
take
care
of
our
water
infrastructure.
We
actually
we
take
care
of
the
maintenance
for
our
streets
and
snow
plowing,
and
so
we
actually
the
cost
of
north-western
being
in
Evanston
and
our
revenues,
we
actually
don't
add
an
additional
cost
because
of
those
services
as
well.
AC
The
university's
presence,
total
presence
in
Evanston
would
generate
a
total
economic
impact
of
200
million,
plus
150
350
million
dollars.
150
million
dollars
annually
history
university
payments
to
the
city
of
Evanston
University
purchases
from
local
businesses
are
spending
in
shops,
restaurants
and
rents,
paid
by
our
students,
faculty
and
staff,
as
well
as
local
spending
by
visitors
to
Northwestern
University.
AC
Last
year
alone,
we
had
65
thousand
unique
visitors
that
stopped
by
our
visitor
center,
and
we
estimate
that
Northwestern
attracted
195,000
visitors
from
outside
of
Regent
for
a
total
of
four
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
visitors
days,
which
is
just
an
average
of
how
many
days
each
one
of
these
individuals
stay
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
We're
also
proud
to
straighten
our
local,
we're
also
proud
to
strand
our
community
by
supporting
and
fostering
a
local
ecosystem
of
businesses
and
nonprofit
organizations.
AC
Northwestern
has
contributing
eleven
million
dollars
last
year
alone
to
support
over
230
local
Evanston
vendors
and
our
sponsored
research
directed
by
English
fact.
Our
distinguished
faculty
brings
in
over
two
hundred
million
dollars
per
year
in
pursuits
of
new
innovation
and
pursuits
of
innovation
and
new
knowledge.
AC
In
addition
to
that,
nor'wester
also
impacts
local
nonprofits
in
our
community
last
year.
Northwestern
contributed
2.4
million
dollars
to
40
plus
local
nonprofit
institutions
and
through
an
agreement
with
Canal
Shores,
which
is
located
in
the
seventh
Ward.
We're
able
to
help
a
struggling
institution
rates,
critical
funding
to
sustain
their
operations
and
our
neighbors
also
enjoy
profits
from
our
game
as
well.
AD
AD
Thank
you
to
manage
these
events
responsibly.
The
first
is
security
and
policing.
We
will
provide
foot
patrols
on-site
before,
during
and
after
each
special
event,
we
will
have
the
entire
area
monitored
by
off-site
unified
command
centers
from
a
traffic
management
standpoint,
we
will
provide
parking
attendants
and
security
personnel
to
assist
with
safety
and
traffic
flow
before,
during
and
after
the
events
from
a
parking
standpoint,
this
has
been
a
highly
contested
issue.
AD
The
ongoing
evaluation
and
assessment,
the
sunset
provision
would
automatically
repeal
after
a
couple
years,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
our
Edmonston
stakeholder
meetings,
which
we
have
been
doing
since
2013
and
our
behest
just
to
make
sure
our
communications
with
the
right
stakeholders
in
Evanston
are
taking
place.
Lastly,
the
new
wall
shrine
arena,
their
Vincent
talked
about
this
as
well.
It's
a
state-of-the-art
facility.
It
was
made
for
these
types
of
events.
AD
That's
why
we
haven't
done
35
events
in
the
past
because
we
didn't
have
the
facility
for
it,
but
now
we
have
the
facility
to
be
able
to
do
things
in
a
responsible
and
a
professional
manner
in
preparation,
the
construction
for
this.
We
hired
a
national
company
out
of
Texas
W
jhw,
which
performed
an
acoustic
studying
on
both
decibels
and
frequencies.
We
implemented
recreation.
AD
G
AE
You
so
to
preface
my
statement
I
want
to
say
to
our
friends
from
Northwestern
that
I
certainly
do
value
your
presence
in
the
community,
and
but
I
am
going
to
be
speaking
against
the
amendment.
I'm
gonna
talk
about
two
issues
in
particular.
One
is
the
standards
for
amendments
which
we've
heard
a
lot
about
this
evening
and
the
issue
of
precedent,
which
we've
also
heard
about
this
evening.
AE
So
the
plan
Commission
and
the
staff
memo
in
our
packet,
as
well
as
the
presentation
from
Northwestern
this
evening,
suggests
that
the
proposed
zoning
text
amendment
meets
the
standards
for
approval
of
amendments
in
our
zoning
code.
That's
simply
stating
the
fact
doesn't
make
it
so.
Neither
the
plan
commission,
nor
the
memo
from
in
the
packet
nor
north-western,
have
provided
evidence
to
back
up
this
conclusion.
I
attended
the
planned
Commission's,
September,
11th
meeting
and
I.
Also
just
yesterday
reviewed
the
video
of
the
plan
Commission
meeting
the
portion
where
they
talked
about
where
they
briefly
discussed.
AE
The
standards
in
that
just
the
commissioners
focused
on
the
notion
that
the
zoning
change
would
quote
not
seemingly
increase
the
intensity
of
use,
and
this
was
based
on
a
faulty
understanding
of
the
type
and
number
of
temporary
events
that
currently
take
place
on
the
YouTube
campus.
The
ordinance
currently
does
permit
up
to
seven
temporary
events
each
year,
each
one
not
to
exceed
five
days
for
a
total
in
theory
of
35
days
of
temporary
events
per
year,
and
as
our
northwestern
colleagues
mentioned,
they
should.
AE
So,
nonetheless,
using
this
rationale,
the
plan
commission
members
agreed
that
the
first
standard
had
been
met,
and
that
was
the
end
of
that
discussion.
They
did
not
refer
to
any
specific
goals,
policies
or
objectives
of
the
comprehensive
general
plan
in
their
discussion.
If
they
had
a
relevant
goal
in
in
the
plan
that
they
could
have
considered
is
in
the
section
on
institutions
that
states
Evanston
quote,
Evanston
should
support
the
growth
and
evolution
of
institutions
so
long
as
the
growth
does
not
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
residentially
zoned
adjacent
neighborhoods.
AE
The
plan
goes
on
to
note
that
quote.
Enforcing
the
standards
of
the
city's
zoning
ordinance
is
essential
if
proposed
changes
would
disrupt
the
residential
character
and
environment
of
surrounding
neighborhoods.
So
we
have
heard
plenty
from
residents
in
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
both
tonight
and
over
the
last
few
weeks.
AE
I
know
we
all
have
had
many
many
we've
heard
from
residents
that
the
that
events
of
the
sighs
contemplated
in
the
proposed
zoning
amendment
already
do
doesn't
disrupt
their
lives
and
the
comparison
really
is
with
the
men's
basketball
games
which
attract
up
to
7,000
people
and
take
place
in
Wells
Ryan
Arena.
When
there
is
a
men's
basketball,
game
residents
come
home
from
work
and
they
can't
find
a
place
to
park
near
their
homes
and
even
if
parking
in
the
Ryan
Field
Lot
is
made
free.
AE
For
these
events,
many
people's
first
choice
is
still
to
park
in
the
neighborhood
because
it
facilitates
their
getting
out
of
getting
out
of
town
quickly
and
they're,
really
not
going
to
take
a
shuttle
over
from
the
main
campus.
If
they
pass,
you
know
as
another
option
and
when
there
are
special
events.
The
setup
and
takedown
are
typically
accompanied
by
trucks
and
trailers,
with
work,
crews
and
beeping,
backup,
alarms
and
depending
on
the
event.
AE
The
addition
of
as
many
as
third
of
as
13
days
of
such
events
would
indeed
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
residentially
zoned
adjacent
neighborhoods,
and
so
would
not
be
consistent
with
the
goals
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
general
plan.
This
would
represent
a
72
percent
increase
over
the
18
men's
basketball
games
currently
played
at
Welsh
Ryan
arena.
AE
The
second
standard
that
we're
supposed
to
consider
asks
whether
the
amendment
is
compatible
with
the
overall
character
of
existing
development
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
The
Plan
Commission
was
actually
split
on
that
question.
They
I
as
I
say.
The
discussion
was
really
very
brief,
but
I
say
the
answer
is
no
professional
sports
and
commercial
events
are
not
compatible
with
a
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood
surrounding
the
YouTube
district.
AE
This
has
been
the
conclusion
of
previous
city
councils
when
the
university
has
sought
to
host
commercial
events
on
the
u2
campus
in
1977,
for
example,
the
City
Council
denied
Northwestern's
petition
for
a
variation
for
to
permit
professional
professional
tennis
matches
finding
that
the
proposed
variation
quote
would
alter
the
essential
character
of
the
locality
by
increasing
the
intensity
of
the
use.
So,
as
did
you
track
from
the
essential
character
of
the
surrounding
residential
neighborhood
and
moving
on
to
the
third
standard,
a
will.
The
amendment
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties.
AE
Moving
on
to
the
question
of
precedence,
a
two-year
pilot
does
sound
very
reasonable,
but
northwestern
could
use
this
pilot
as
precedent
in
arguing
for
additional
and
bigger
events
in
the
future.
Indeed,
the
northwestern
city
history
is
replete
with
examples
of
pro
sports
events
held
on
the
YouTube
campus,
most
in
violation
of
Evanston
zoning
code
at
the
time,
but
that
were
later
used
as
precedent
to
argue
for
still
others,
so
in
1970,
for
example,
Evanston
sued
northwestern,
unsuccessfully
in
an
attempt
to
stop
a
professional
tennis
tournament
at
McGaw
Hall.
AE
Meanwhile,
Northwestern
and
the
Chicago
Bears
reached
an
agreement
for
the
bears
to
play
the
Philadelphia
Eagles
at
Dyke
state
dyke
Stadium.
The
Bears
sought
an
injunction
to
prevent
Evanston
from
enforcing
its
zoning
ordinance
just
to
stop
the
game,
and
the
Bears
attorney
used
that
earlier
illegal
tennis
match
as
evidence
for
the
injunction
one
of
my
predecessors,
a
7th
Ward
alderman,
who
was
referred
to
earlier
this
evening.
AE
Steve
Engelmann
cited
his
concern
about
precedent
when
he
opposed
a
1996
application
for
a
zoning
amendment
and
special
use
permit
to
allow
an
america
mira,
tech
cup,
tennis
tournament
at
welsh
ryan
arena,
and
he,
as
he
wrote
to
a
resident,
while
the
women's
tennis
tournament
may
appear
to
be
benign.
Its
allowance
would
eventually
make
it
easier
for
other
events,
which
would
have
a
more
drastic
impact
upon
you,
your
neighbors
and
the
residents
of
the
7th
Ward
and,
in
any
anime
unanimous
vote.
The
City
Council
denied
that
zoning
application.
AF
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
could
not
have
said
it
more
eloquently.
I
agree
with
alderman,
Ravel
and
I
also
agree
with
the
speaker,
who
said
that
I
mean
we
really
have
to
whenever
we
have
these
issues
that
come
before
our
boards
and
commissions,
we
have
to
follow
what
our
ordinance
says
and
the
burden
every
single
time
is
on
the
applicant
and
it's
the
applicant
that
must
show
that
they
that
they
will
not
create
a
burden
there,
but
the
burden
of
proof
is
on
the
applicant
to
demonstrate
that
every
element
is
met.
AF
It's
not
Northwestern
has
not
presented
evidence
to
that
effect.
Northwestern
has
also
failed
to
present
evidence
that
it.
This
is
compatible
with
the
overall
character
of
the
existing
development
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
Once
again,
the
burden
is
on
Northwestern,
it's
not
to
talk
about
what
the
facilities
are,
but
it's
to
describe
how
they
meet
the
standard
and
I,
don't
believe
they
have
met
the
standard
here
in
that
instance,
and
on
a
third
point,
what
is
the
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties?
AF
I
don't
see
anything
here
that
northwestern
has
presented
from
an
expert
that
would
demonstrate
to
me
that
this
will
not
have
an
adverse
impact.
I
hear
that
there
was
a
study
done
by
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
I,
don't
see
that
study
I,
don't
I'd
like
to
see
that
the
numbers
of
that
I'd
like
to
see
what
the
questions
were
and
understand
that
better
I
do
very
much
appreciate,
Northwestern
and
what
it
what
it
does
for
Evanston
and
I
do
like
the
color
purple.
AF
It's
just
completely
a
completely
unplanned,
but
once
again
they
have
not
met
the
burden.
We
must
require
applicants
to
meet
the
burden
that
is
in
our
ordinances.
That's
how
our
ordinance
continued
ordinances
continue
to
work
and,
finally,
the
adequacy
of
public
facilities.
I,
don't
believe
that
Northwestern
has
demonstrated
that
there
are
adequate
facilities
for
these
events,
but
with
particular
respect
to
the
parking.
So
for
all
of
these
reasons,
I
don't
believe
that
northwestern
has
has
met
the
standard
that
is
in
our
ordinance
and
so
I
cannot
support
this.
D
So
and
I
don't
want
to
just
vote
so
I
feel
like
it's.
It's
only
fair
to
try
to
you
know
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this.
The
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
information,
a
lot
of
number
of
comments
from
people,
I
appreciate
that
I
tried
to
get
through.
Hopefully,
if
not
all
of
it
most
of
it-
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
challenging
situation.
I
don't
live
in
the
neighborhood.
D
Okay
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
the
neighborhood
I
see
the
I
see
what's
described
so
I,
don't
want
to
I,
don't
take
issue
with
what
people
report,
as
with
regard
to
what
their
experience
is,
but
I
think
as
we
look
at
the
standards
here,
it
really
may
be
more
of
the
fundamental
question
is
whether
or
not
we
believe
northwestern
so
northwestern
says
something,
but
it's
a
question
of
whether
we
believe
them
as
opposed
to
whether
or
not
they've
enumerated
whether
they
will
meet
the
standards
or
not.
So
things
like
zoning
historically
are
challenging.
D
You
know
is
owning,
has
a
very
troubled
historical
past
as
a
as
a
tool.
It's
evolved
over
a
long
period
of
time.
I
think
it's
far
more
useful
now
than
it
was
obviously
at
a
different
point
in
time,
but
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
zoning
very
carefully
in
the
context
and
in
its
historical
context
and
in
communities
things
evolve,
things
aren't
the
same
way
that
they
were
when
they
built
the
original
stadium.
D
The
new
basketball
facility
is
different
than
it
was
when
they
first
put
it
in
there's
a
different
baseball
stadium,
but
at
the
same
time
the
community
itself
is
also
consistently
evolving.
What
our
expectations
are
evolve,
who
lives
in
the
neighborhood
evolves
the
businesses
that
are
there
evolved,
and
my
preference
is
to
try
to
take
that
evolution
forward,
but
to
do
it
in
an
in
a
measured
in
control
manner.
I
absolutely
agree
that
it's
okay,
not
to
say
no,
no,
okay
to
say
no
to
Northwestern
or
anybody.
D
I've
said
you
know
to
a
lot
of
people
over
the
years,
but
I
think
it's
sometimes
okay
to
say
yes
to
trying
things.
One
thing
that
really
stands
out
in
my
mind:
I
realize
I
realize
it's.
You
know
I.
You
know
apples
to
candy
bars,
but
outdoor
dining.
You
know
when
I
started
in
this
job
we
had,
if
you
know
not
zero,
but
almost
no
outdoor,
dining
and
the
first
couple.
D
I,
understand
that
there's
a
question
of
trust
by
members
of
the
community
I
think
that
in
many
situations
and
instances
that's
well-founded.
But
that's
why
I
you
know
I'm
supporting
this
because
it
does.
It
is
finite
and
I'm
interested
to
see
how
it
plays
out,
but
if
it
doesn't
play
out,
you
know,
change
I
do
think
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
D
If
it
doesn't
get
introduced,
what
we
should
do
is
develop
some
some
measurable
parameters
that
we
can
utilize
two
years
from
now
yeah,
you
know
who
knows
who's
gonna,
be
here
news
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
but
I
think
when
the
council
is
going
back
and
looking
at
this,
it's
not
going
to
be
fresh
in
their
minds
and
I
think
we're
going
to
want
to
have
something
specific
and
some
something
that
they
can
look
at
and
deliver
on.
So
you
either
deliver
or
you
don't
deliver.
D
G
A
AG
Thought
it
was
interesting
to
hear
people
express
their
observations
who
live
very
close
to
each
other.
Some
people
felt
that
they
were
overly
impacted.
Other
people
felt
they
were
not
overly
impacted
and
they
live
in
the
same
place
for
the
same
number
of
years,
20-30
years,
so
that
that
was
interesting
to
me,
I'm
I'm,
looking
at
this
as
7,000
seats,
1500
parking
places
three
blocks
from
the
train
station.
This
is
the
arena.
One
person
referred
to
soldiers
feel
and
Allstate
Arena.
That's
not
what
we're
talking
about
and
I
was
surprised
to
hear.
AG
Northwestern
say
tonight
that
they're
talking
6,000
seats
as
opposed
to
7,000
I'm
thinking,
it's
7,000,
it
is.
It
is
a
pilot
program.
I
talked
to
miss
man
who
fears
that
the
next
comeback
from
Northwestern
will
be
the
stadium.
I
told
her
tonight
that
I
will
absolutely
never
ever
vote
if
I
am
here
vote
for
a
proposal
complementary
to
this
for
the
stadium
never
ever.
This
is
this
is
a
defined
number
there's
only
7,000
seats
there.
AG
AG
Think
the
chamber
I
think
the
Chamber's
presentation
and
they
did
give
us
a
copy
of
that-
is
very,
very
interest.
I.
You
know,
I've
read
those
results.
Also
I'm,
a
former
licensed
appraiser
and
I
know
that
things
like
quarries
and
things
do
reduce
the
your
property
values,
but
I
I,
don't
believe
I
I,
don't
agree
with
mr.
Richter
that
this
this
is
going
to
reduce
property
values.
I
think
we
need
to
give
this
a
try.
I'm
going
to
support
this
I
will
I
absolutely
positively
would
not
support
when
they
come.
AG
AG
Parking
is
not
going
to
be
an
issue,
I,
don't
believe
parking
is
going
to
be
a
mission.
7,000
people
don't
come
in
7,000
cars
so
especially
to
concerts
I.
Think
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
here.
I
I
think
we
need
to
give
it
a
chance
and
I
agree
with
out
former
alderman
Grover.
This
is
a
best
practice.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AH
But
I
do
think
you
know
the
it's.
Only
two
years
is
true,
that's
valid,
but
it's
two
years
of
their
lives
that
we're
playing
with
I
think
you
know
we
always
talk
about
where's
the
real
opinion
of
Evan
stone,
Ian's.
You
know
you
can't
count
on
there's
a
vocal
minority
who
shows
up
all
the
time,
but
I
mean
to
see
two
representatives
from
Northwestern
five
speakers
in
favor,
all
these
people,
and
then
they
say.
AH
Well,
you
know
we
will
just
trust
our
Western
when
they've
proven
themselves
to
be
untrustworthy
consistently
is
really
disheartening,
because
this
town
can
be
so
much
better
than
it
is,
and
it's
our
fault
up
here,
a
lot
of
the
time
and
right
now
just
rolling
over
for
Northwestern
University.
It
does
not
make
the
same
level
of
contribution
to
the
community
that
hosts
it,
as
other
universities
in
their
class,
is
just
very
disheartening
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
even
surprised,
I
guess
that's
what
the
most
disappointing
thing
is
that
were
they're
gonna
go
back.
AH
What
was
the
term
day
of
townies.
Is
that
what
President
Shapiro
called
us
at
the
Boston
Club
they're
gonna
go
back
and
say
these
dumb
townies
just
give
us
whatever
we
want,
and
that's
what's
gonna
happen
here
unless
somebody
changes
their
vote
so
again,
when
we
were
when
we
we
got
here,
we
did
the
sanctimonious
Athenian
oath,
where
our
whole
thing
was
we're
gonna
transmit
the
city
better
than
it
was
transmitted
to
us.
Sometimes
the
way
to
do.
That
is
by
saying
no
and
that's
an
example.
Here
we
can
say
no.
AH
O
O
The
first
word:
borders,
Northwestern
and
I.
Don't
think
anyone
in
the
ten
years
that
I've
been
on
the
council
and
the
15
to
20
years
before
that,
when
I
was
a
community
activist
defending
our
neighborhood
that
anyone
rolled
over
for
Northwestern
and
I
can
point
to
a
number
of
facts,
including
the
challenge
to
our
local
historic
districts
that
we
put
in
place
in
order
to
protect.
What's
a
beautiful
residential
neighborhood
again
that
borders,
the
t1
t2
zoning
districts
at
Northwestern,
when
I
during
my
campaigns,
I
tell
everyone.
O
O
So
we
have
out
of
the
outgrowth
of
that
historic
district
and
the
litigation
that
was
filed.
One
of
the
terms
of
the
settlement
of
that
litigation
was
to
establish
the
Nu
city
committee.
The
first
word:
Alderman
myself
is
permanent
chair.
We
meet
quarterly
and
we
talk
about
issues
of
development
that
affect
the
residential
neighborhood
that
surrounds
the
university
as
well
as
t1
zoning
districts
of
which
is
part
of
just
west
of
Ryan
field.
O
It's
on
the
city's
calendar
and
we'd
be
thrilled
to
have
you
there,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
over
the
time-
and
this
is
many
years
that
I've
been
observing
Northwestern
trying
to
work
with
them,
mostly
unsuccessfully,
when
we're
dia
Pierrot
came,
there
was
a
real
change
now,
I,
don't
know
whether
we
can
thank
him
entirely
or
thank
mayor
to
stall
entirely,
but
something
happened
and
there
is
no
bigger
critic
of
Northwestern
than
I
am
even
though
I'm
wearing
my
purple,
sweater
too
and
I.
Don't
know
why.
O
But
this
is.
These
are
serious
issues
to
me
and
neighborhood
protection
is
a
serious
issue
to
me.
It
is
what
my
ward
is
all
about,
and
what
I
have
found
is
that,
over
the
past
few
years,
as
long
as
we've
had
the
nu
City
Committee
working
with
the
administration
at
Northwestern
and
I,
will
think
I
will
thank
president
Schapiro
for
replacing
some
of
the
administrators
at
Northwestern
that
were
a
real
problem
and
stood
in
the
way
of
a
positive
working
relationship
with
the
university
administration.
O
That
things
have
gotten
a
lot
better.
Do
I
trust
Northwestern?
No,
why
should
I
I
don't
but
we're
up
here
to
ensure
that
any
agreement
that
we
have
with
the
University
is
fair
and
protects
the
city
now
alderman
roux,
Simmons
and
I
work
with
the
University
every
single
day
on
issues
that
affect
us
in
our
ward
and
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
her.
O
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
again,
what
we've
seen
is
that
the
university
has
been
extremely
responsive
and
I'm
very
happy
about
that
and
I
will
say
to
you
that
the
issues
the
zoning
issues
that
we've
had
in
the
past
have
been
serious
and
they
basically
include
land
acquisition
and
they
go
back.
I
know:
alderman
Revell
remembers
these
from
25
years
ago.
O
They
go
back
a
long
time
when
the
community
really
thought
about
this.
What
they're
asking
for
right
now
is
not
that,
though,
and
I
understand
your
fear,
because
I've
I've
again
I've
been
there
I've
felt
that
I
know
that,
but
that's
not
what
they're
asked
right
now
is
all
about
is
fear.
It's
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
who
have
said
that
they
would
absolutely
never
support
any
use
of
Ryan
field
and
50,000
seats
in
Ryan
field.
That
will
not
happen.
Is
there
any
other
venue
in
Evanston
that
provides
7,000
seats?
O
I
have
a
hope
that
Michelle
Obama
will
come
one
day
and
speak
and
I
want
to
go
and
hear
her
speak
and
do
we
have
a
place
in
Evanston
I
suppose
we
could
fill
Ryan
Field
if
she
came
and
spoke,
but
I
I
would
love
that,
but
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
here.
That's
worth
investigating
and
there
are
enough
questions
about
whether
this
can
work
and
benefit
the
city
and
be
be
consistent
with
its
a
community
that
we
should
give
it
a
chance
in
two
years.
O
If
it
doesn't
work,
it
doesn't
work
and
we
say
no
and
they
go
home
and
that's
the
end
of
it.
But
if
it
does
work,
there's
an
opportunity
that
I
think
we
need
to
consider-
and
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
money
coming
in
to
Evanston
or
anything
like
that.
It
has
to
do
with
energizing
our
community
and
creating
creating
more
more
events.
I've
asked
mr.
Davis
I
said
what
kind
of
events
are
you
thinking
about?
O
Are
we
doing
mud
wrestling
or
tractor
poles
and
I
was
assured
that
the
events
that
there
are
going
that
are
they
have
planned,
are
going
to
enhance
the
reputation
of
the
community
and
of
the
city
of
Evans
done
I
want
to
see
that,
and
maybe
that
will.
But
that
won't
happen.
And
if
that
doesn't
happen
we
say
no
again.
Oh,
we
all
go
home,
but
I
think
it's
worthwhile
taking
the
opportunity
for
the
two-year
trial
here
and
I'm.
O
There
are
protections
that
I
need.
I
need
to
make
sure
that
all
the
parking
is
going
to
be
free.
So
that
will
mean
that
the
shuttles
are
going
to
work,
that
they're
not
going
to
be
impacting
on
the
neighborhoods
that
there's
going
to
be
some
effort
to
make
sure
that
all
of
you
who
want
to
park
on
the
streets
can
do
so
and
all
the
other
issues
that
you've
raised
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
protections
are
in
place
for
you.
O
A
You
so
as
automated
I
do
have
as
many
of
her
the
number
as
many
as
1500
students
that
live
that
are
my
neighbors
in
the
ward
and
quite
a
few
property
owners
that
pay
very
close
attention
to
what's
happening
at
Northwestern
and,
as
a
result,
I
advocate
on
our
behalf.
The
neighbors
of
the
fifth
Ward
and
I
absolutely
do
not
lay
down,
and
most
of
my
conversations
with
Northwestern
are
challenging
them
to
serve
our
communities
better.
Usually
they
are
pretty
intense
and
I
would
like
to
work
more
towards
solutions.
A
I
think
that
I'm
I
drove
around
the
area
on
the
day
of
an
event,
and
one
thing
that
I
noticed
that
I,
don't
think
that
we
document
and
I
haven't
heard
much
about
is
all
the
property
owners
over
there
that
sell
parking
spaces
on
their
front
yards
and
I
didn't
hear
about
that.
But
I
did
see
quite
a
bit
of
it
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
isolated
to
that
one
game
that
I
went
to
or
is
it
a
common
practice?
Can
anybody
not?
Is
it
a
common
practice?
A
So
it's
a
common
practice
that
is
happening
and
I
would
say
that
some
residents
over
there
are
inviting
and
encouraging
the
activity
because
they're
profiting
from
it
so
I
also
want
to
say
that
northwestern
is
a
multi-billion
dollar
organization
and
as
a
result,
we
get
the
benefit
of
all
that
they
do
for
our
economy.
They,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
how
many
residents
are
living
here,
so
they
at
because
of
them.
We
don't
have
residential
and
commercial
vacancies,
and
so
we
can
all
agree
that
they
are
very
important
to
the
community.
A
But
my
biggest
concern
is
the
process,
the
transparency,
the
public
participation
that
seems
like
it
was
pretty
extensive,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
that
I
believe
our
staff
can
answer
about
operations
of
our
city
like
safety
and
public
vehicles
and
such
so
I'm,
hoping
that
if
I
can't
get
an
answer
to
that
now
that
we
can
get
one
for
a
discussion
in
City,
Council
I
appreciate
that
this
is
that
what
is
we
calling
a
sunset
clause
or
theirs?
This
is
a
pilot,
so
we
can
condition
this.
A
How
we
like
and
I
certainly
will
have
some
very
high
expectations
on
how
we
enforce
this,
because
I'll
be
hearing
from
my
neighbors,
so
I'm
gonna
put
that
pressure
on
you,
mr.
Davis,
and
the
rest
of
you
at
Northwestern,
but
I
think
we
have
some
protections
in
that.
It's
a
pilot.
It's
two
years.
We
can
not
move
forward
with
it.
We
can
learn
from
it
and
improve
it.
Maybe
we
can
get
Michelle
Obama
here
or
maybe
we
get
a
bad
boy
reunion
concert
that
would
be
kind
of
nice
either
way.
AF
And
win
yes,
thank
you.
Manager.
I,
did
want
to.
After
listening
to
the
discussion
and
I,
appreciate
your
questions
that
you
want
to
get
further
answers
to
I'd
like
to
hear
them
too
and
I
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
don't
have
hostility
towards
towards
North
Western
at
all.
I'm
the
northwestern
Law
School,
alum
and
I've
lived
here
for
a
long
time,
and
there
have
been
issues
that
have
come
before
the
council,
where
I
have
disagreed
very
strongly
with
northwestern
and
I.
Have
there
have
been
times
when
I
have
supported
them?
AF
AF
Well,
you
all
might
have
been
disappointed
in
me
if
I
felt
like
they
had
met
the
burden
of
proof.
So
that's
my
point,
though,
is
that
that's
what
we
are
dealing
with,
not
whether
we
trust
each
other
or
not
it's
that
the
law
doesn't
doesn't
look
to
that
the
what
the
law
is
looking
at
is.
Did
you
meet
the
burden
of
proof?
What
did
you
present,
and
that
is
the
key
here-
Thank
You.
B
Leonard
in
response
to
all
drew
Simmons
question
about
process
text.
Amendment
is
the
notification,
for
that
is
a
notice
in
a
paper
of
local
circulation,
not
15
days,
not
less
than
15
days,
not
more
than
30
days
prior
to
the
public
hearing
and
the
public
hearing
is
convened
at
the
Planning
Commission.
They
are
the
body
that
deliberates
enough
attorney
Mason
cup,
if
you
want
to
add
anything
good.
AI
Evening,
Michelle,
Mason
cup,
so
I
think
the
difference
is
that
they,
a
text
amendment
is
citywide,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
send
out
notices
that
are
contemplated
in
a
map
amendment
which
is
much
more
local,
you
would
have
to
send
out
the
notices
to
the
entire
city
of
Evanston.
So
the
notices
that
you
see
that
we've
seen
for
planned
developments
and
special
use
applications
that
you're
very
familiar
with
those
are
not
applicable
here,
because
it's
just
the
text
of
the
actual
zoning
code.
So
that's
the
distinction.
AI
This
is
just
my
take,
so
dapper
is
project-specific
and
dapper
reviews
if
turn
lanes
or
height
of
buildings
or
setbacks
or
building
materials.
For
this
for
text
amendments.
It's
whether
or
not
this
you
should
be
added
to
the
zoning
code
to
be
permitted.
So
it's
a
very
different
issue.
Dapper
wouldn't
really
have
the
jurisdiction
here
so.
A
AI
AE
AE
So
the
special
the
way
the
amendment
is
written,
or
maybe
it's
one
of
the
conditions
that
the
Plan
Commission
suggested.
They
talked
about
making
sure
that
these
special
events
go
to
the
that
these.
These
new
kinds
of
events
would
go
to
the
Special,
Events
Committee
and
then
also
have
to
come
to
council.
Okay,.
AE
AG
Thank
you
well
I've
attended
numerous
special
events,
meetings
and
they're.
Very
they
are
very
intense
and
they're
there
they
get
down
into
the
weeds.
Second
of
all,
though
I
wanted
to
ask
about
when
when
Ryan
arena
was
developed,
I
am
certain
that
traffic
studies
had
to
have
been
done
regarding
the
number
of
seats
that
were
in
the
arena
and
I
I'm
sure
they're,
available,
someplace
and
I
would
like
us
to
get
those.
This
is
an
introduction
only.
We
have
two
weeks
before
this
comes
back
to
the
council
for
further
discussion.
AG
U
A
AG
Yes,
but
the
traffic
studies
had
to
have
been
done
for
building
the
the
building
and
building
the
building
had
to
do
with
having
seven
thousand
eight
thousand
people
there.
So
there
are
traffic
studies,
maybe
not
for
for
a
concert,
but
same
number.
People
are
going
to
be
coming
regardless
of
when
they
they
built.
The
building.
So
I'd
like
to
see
that.
AG
A
B
Yes,
one
matter
is
the
November
11th,
Planning
and
Development
Committee
meeting.
We
would
like
to
propose
cancelling
that
in
so
you
would
have
a
longer
time
to
do
budget
discussion
that
night
we
don't
have
any
matters
other
than
I,
think
the
reference
to
the
condo
deconversion
and
that
would
just
carry
to
the
25th.