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B
B
B
Well,
I
hesitate
on
the
permanently
installed
generators
because
we've
got
things
like
hospitals,
schools,
things
of
that
nature.
So
to
me,
rather
than
the
setback
requirements,
it
seems
to
be
more
appropriate
to
use
a
standard
that
would
be
noise
generated
based
as
opposed
to
distance,
and
there
are
things
that
could
be
done
to.
B
Screen
the
sound
whatever
you
might
have,
but
as
far
as
the
locations,
large
institutional
structures
might
not
really
be
realistically
able
to
to
make
the
modifications
to
have
the
setbacks.
So
I
guess,
if
we're
looking
at
this
I,
would
want
to
limit
it
to
to
the
portable
generators,
because
that's
kind
of
what
it
seems
to
be
addressing.
If
we're
going
to
include
all
generators,
I
think
we
should
rewrite
it
such
that
it's
more
sound
level
based
as
opposed
to
setback
based
as.
F
G
Winn,
yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
I
was
I
think
that
this
we
should
clarify
that
this
is
likely
for
residential
I,
read
this
as
if
it
was
applying
to
residential
or
residential
districts,
because
there
are
many
people
who
have
health
reasons
for
having
a
permanently
installed
generator
in
their
home,
so
that
they
don't
have
any
failure
of
a
power.
So
someone
might
be
needing
medical
care
that
requires
them
to
always
have
power
in
the
house.
G
So
in
my
mind
this
would
likely
be
like
an
air
conditioner
unit
that
many
people
have
and
so
that
you
would
be
able
to
put
it
in
a
in
some
area
like
we
permit
air
conditioners
and
in
addition,
it's
unlikely
that
generator
would
be
operated,
especially
in
a
residential
area.
Unless
there
was
a
power
failure,
so
it
would
be
a
relatively
short
amount
of
time
that
it
would
occur
so
I'd,
like
some
clarity
on
this
all.
H
Go
and
risk.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
we've
had
a
problem
with
the
generator
at
a
facility
in
my
ward
and
part
of
the
problem
has
come
with
the
regular
testing
of
the
generators,
which
seemed
to
run
for
at
least
a
half
an
hour
once
or
twice
a
week
and
creating
a
lot
of
noise.
So
I
think
it.
You
know
there
are
different
situations
and
I
support,
getting
some
clarification
on
this
okay.
So
we.
A
A
Committee
I
would
agree.
Okay,
then
second,
ultimate
Simmons
did
you
wanna
now
stick
to
it.
Okay,
all
right!
All
those
in
favor
of
holding
it
in
committee,
say
aye,
aye,
aye,
any
opposed
all
right.
That's
good!
Moving
right
along
next
item
is
the
man
matter
of
1726
in
many
new
granting
landmark
status.
I
understand,
first
of
all
that
there
are
yes,
we
see
your
science
I
could
just
tell
by
looking
at
Mary,
while
you
were
here.
A
A
H
I'm
sorry
Aldrin
Rainey,
if
I
can
just
interrupt
for
a
moment,
I
believe
that
there
isn't
there's
interest
on
the
part
of
the
owner
of
the
property
to
hold
this.
A
I
I
Are
valuing
all
of
our
property
options
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
reach
the
right
decision.
This
is
a
very
complicated
matter,
all
the
woman
because,
as
you
know,
we're
looking
at
a
renovation
cost
of
more
than
several
million
dollars.
There
were
already
plans
in
place
for
an
expansion
of
the
property
and
and
frankly,
when
this
matter
came
before
us,
it
frankly
took
the
property
owners
by
surprise
and
we
were
caught
off.
I
A
Here's
his
I
mean
I'm
going
to
ask
the
committee
to
get
involved
in
this,
but
a
few
weeks
ago
we
were
ready
to
proceed
and
you
asked
for
an
extension
then
to
hold
it
then
and
I
said
because
were
the
property
owners
that
that
would
be
the
only
courteous
thing
to
do,
and
so
we
did
that,
and
you
know
people
said
well
you
you
always
ask
for
delays,
and
you
were
ready
to
proceed.
Then
it
we
had
to
proceed
and
now
there's
another
delay.
I
mean.
A
A
A
F
F
You've
already
held
this
once
counselor
would
have
to
tell
table
this
good
evening.
I
have
no
idea
where
my
make
us
all
just
stand
right
now
at
Michele,
Mason
cup,
deputy
city
attorney,
so
city
council,
rule
18,
point
12
indicates
that
you
cannot
hold
it
over
for
a
second
occasion.
You
already
held
it
once
so.
If
you're
following
the
letter
of
your
rules,
you
can't
continue
it
for
a
second
meeting.
Thank
you.
J
A
A
K
Should
make
it
clear
we're
prepared
to
go
forward
as
the
owner
the
property
this
evening,
but
because,
as
mr.
Flores
suggested,
these
other
concerns
we
need
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
property
and
other
uses.
That's
what
alderman
fists
comment
really
goes
to
is
and
allow
those
that
you
control
about
it,
but
to
go
forward
this
evening.
We're
fully
prepared
to
go
forward.
I'm.
A
F
H
A
K
No,
no,
that
let
me
first
introduce
myself
I'm
Hal
Morris,
an
attorney
representing
the
Sigma
Chi
Foundation,
which
is
the
owner
of
the
property
I,
have
with
me
this
evening.
My
partner,
Manny
Flores,
who
spoke
a
few
moments
ago,
as
well
as
the
representative
of
the
owner,
Noah
Phelps,
and
the
expert
that
we
had
that
testified
before
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
Scott
has
done
OK.
K
We
certainly
appreciate
the
time
that
the
city,
the
City
Council,
the
city
staff
and
everyone
involved
with
this
in
evanston,
has
put
into
this
nomination,
but
I
think
we
need
to
start
with
some
very
if
you
will
fundamental
issues.
The
first
fundamental
issue
is
this
case
comes
before
you
and
comes
before
the
city
in
a
very
unusual
manner.
It
is
not
a
request
by
the
city.
It
is
not
a
request
by
city
staff.
Instead
is
a
request
by
a
citizen
to
ask
another
owner,
another
taxpayer
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
K
They
had
their
property
land
marked
and
their
property
rights
then
changed
that
is
I
would
submit
to.
You
is
very
unusual
and,
as
we
indicate
under
the
various
provisions
of
your
city,
ordinance,
the
very
high
burden,
if
you
will
put
constraints
or
limitations
on
an
owner
in
terms
of
their
property,
are
not
met.
In
this
case,
there
was
a
split
vote
before
the
Commission
5
to
3
to
recommend
land
marking.
In
this
case,
it
was
recommended
under
three
provisions
of
your
code.
K
It
was
recommended
first
under
a3,
that
it
exemplifies
an
architectural
type,
er
style
under
a4
that
it
identifies
with
an
important
individual
or
historical
event.
And,
lastly,
it
has
integrity
as
you'll
hear
from
we'll
have
mr.
Heffner
speak.
It
really
doesn't
meet
any
of
those
criteria,
and
why
doesn't
it?
This
property
has
not
been
hidden
from
the
city
of
Evanston.
It
has
been
on
the
city's
radar
for
upwards
of
40
years.
K
It
has
never
been
despite
the
preservation,
ordinances
statement
and
mandate
that
the
Preservation
Commission
in
the
city
staff
conduct
an
ongoing
survey
to
identify
historically,
culturally
and
architectural,
significant
properties
and
denominating
designate.
It
has
never
previously
been
identified
by
the
city
by
the
city
staff
by
the
Preservation
Commission.
In
fact,
it
was
left
off
when
the
lakeshore
historic
district
was
established.
It
was
left
off
again
when
the
lakeshore
historic
district
was
reira
viewed
and
the
city
staff
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
2016
granted
permits
to
suspend
the
utility's
of
the
property.
K
So
it
wasn't
once
it
wasn't
twice.
It
was
three
times
it
was
known
to
the
city.
The
property
has
never
been
nominated
by
the
Commission
or
the
city
staff
for
inclusion,
as
on
the
Historic
Register,
and
the
property
has
never
previously
been
listed
as
eligible
for
any
sort
of
historic
designation,
architectural
II,
as
mr.
Hester
will
testify.
It
is
not
a
representative
of
a
style
or
a
derivation
of
a
style,
and
it
is
in
style
setting'.
K
Historically,
you
will
also
hear
the
property
is
not
historically
significant.
John
nitin
is
the
name
you'll
hears
substantially,
but
what
we
need
to
remember
is
John.
Niden
is
not
an
architect
of
the
same
prominence
that
we
typically
look
at
architects.
He
is
prolific,
yes,
he
was
accomplished
yes,
but
he
is
not
an
architect
here
that
is
recognized
by
the
association
of
architects
or
any
other
architectural.
If
you
will
body
as
being
historically
important,
the
property
will
also
here
lacks
substantial
integrity.
K
Fundamentally,
it
lacks
integrity
that
it
doesn't
match
the
style,
but
it
also
lacks
integrity,
because
you'll
hear
the
immense
costs
to
put
this
property
online
are
before
you
open
the
property
up
in
excess
of
three
million
dollars.
Those
are
costs
that,
of
course,
the
city
of
Evanston
is
well
aware
of
when
it
deals
with
its
own
historic
property.
The
Clark
mansion
along
the
lakefront,
that
is
a
recognized
historic
property,
one
that
has
found
its
way
into
the
fabric
of
evidence,
Evanston
and
the
cost.
K
They
are
staggering
here
for
a
individual,
not-for-profit
charitable
owner,
the
costs
here
not
only
staggering
they're
impossible.
In
addition,
that
would
affect
the
mission
of
the
Sigma
Chi
foundation.
That
mission
is
to
be
a
charity,
to
give
money
to
students
in
undergraduate
and
graduate
education
for
their
education,
for
housing,
for
suicide
prevention,
for
drug
awareness
prevention
and
for
other
events
such
as
that,
and
that
would
be
substantially
curtailed
if
this
was
landmarked.
There
would
also
be
a
substantial
negative
precedent,
we'd
submit
to
the
city.
K
Here
we
have
a
situation
not
where
the
land
owner
has
come
to
you,
not
where
the
city
staff
has
identified
the
property,
but
where
a
third
party
says
I
like
that
building
and
should
then
land
market
without
reaching
the
very
high
standard
to
a
bridge
or
property
owners,
property
rights
without
meeting
the
very
exacting
standards
of
your
own
ordinance.
What
we
would
simply
do
is
we
would
have
immense
administrative
costs
and
possible
costs.
Regarding
litigation.
There
is
talk
about
a
prior
covenant
on
the
property
that
prior
covenant
never
spoke
to.
K
The
situation
were
phased
to
now
that
prior
covenant
in
the
1970s
was
really
focused
on
two
things:
one.
We
don't
want
a
rooming
house
for
transient
housing
and
two.
If
there's
a
building
there,
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
residential
in
character.
There's
no
suggestion
that
there
will
be
a
rooming
house.
Should
this
not
be
landmark
and
there's
no
suggestion
that
whatever
alternate
building
put
there
would
not
similarly
be
residential
in
character.
K
The
Sigma
Chi
Foundation
is
willing
to
continue
to
work
with
the
city
to
have
whatever
goes
on
that
lot
at
1726
to
fit
with
the
neighborhood
and
fit
with
Division
four
Evanston.
If,
for
whatever
reason,
the
city
deems
that
it
is
so
historically
significant,
although
we
would
submit
that
it
is
not
architectural
historically
significant,
the
Sigma
Chi
Foundation
is
willing
to
sell
that
building
for
a
dollar
to
the
city
or
anyone
else
and
share
in
the
costs
of
relocating
it.
K
L
Good
evening
to
all
I'm,
Scott
hazard
and
I'm,
an
architect
with
the
firm,
the
hazard
corporation,
we're
located
in
Libertyville
just
a
little
context
here.
My
grandfather
started
our
firm
in
1932.
So
this
is
a
long-standing
firm,
never
large,
always
productive,
I'd
like
to
say-
and
it
follows
three
generations
in
our
family.
My
brother
is
an
architect
and
I
hold
licenses
in
Illinois
in
Iowa
and
Florida
I'm.
Also,
a
licensed
interior
designer
we
have
a
second
company
called,
has
cork
construction
and
has
core
construction
builds,
probably
50
to
60
percent
of
the
projects.
L
The
husband
corporation
designs,
we're
a
general
contractor,
were
also
a
construction
management
organization,
so
I'm
looking
at
this.
This
structure
from
from
a
wide
variety
of
experience
and
I,
can't
help
the
dissect
things
as
I
as
I.
Look
at
them
so
I'm.
My
goal
tonight
is
to
distill
my
thoughts
so
that
we
can
all
leave
here
on
a
early
early
train,
so
Colonial
Revival.
Let's
start
there
Colonial
Revival,
it
has
some
very
basic
standards:
the
standards
of
Colonial
Revival,
our
facade
symmetry.
It's
critical.
L
L
L
None
of
the
building
facades
are
symmetrical,
none
of
them
are
balanced.
The
front
porch
is
not
centered.
On
the
on
the
entrance
to
the
facility
entrance
to
the
house.
Now
there
can
be
front
porches,
there
can
be
enclosed
receiving
rooms,
but
they
must
be
symmetrical.
They
must
be
symmetrical
on
the
entrance
to
the
building.
L
L
The
house
footprint
is
a
square,
and
the
footprint
to
a
degree
comes
from
what
the
previous
house
was.
This
house
borrowed
part
of
a
foundation
of
a
Queen
Anne
house.
This
architect
used
components
that
he
liked
architects
do
that.
They
feel
that
they
can
compose
and
organize
architectural
elements.
The
way
they
choose,
but
this
architect
did
not
organize
these
architectural
elements
in
a
way
that
that
resembles
or
matches
Colonial,
Revival
architecture.
I
L
He
he
made
lots
of
contributions
to
the
built
environment.
He
worked
on
on
many
projects,
I
I,
don't
know
if
I
could
call
him
prolific,
but
he
did
work
on
many
projects
and
I
have
to
give
him
that,
but,
as
someone
who
is
considered
noteworthy
and
great,
which
is
where
landmark
architecture
comes
from,
John
Iten
doesn't
appear
in
any
of
the
books
that
I've
seen
now.
These
are.
These
are
composed
of
people
with
names
like
nice,
Walter,
Nach,
Frank,
Lloyd
Wright
thank
Maher
Adler,
who
is
Sullivan.
L
These
are
all
architects
with
Chicago
connections,
but
John
Iten
doesn't
appear
in
in
any
of
that.
He
doesn't
appear
in
in
this
particular
book
which
I
it's
the
AIA
guide
to
Chicago
architecture.
Now
this
book
has
everybody
and
people
I
have
never
even
heard
of
who
have
worked
on
noteworthy
buildings,
buildings
that
have
landmark
status.
There
are
national
registers
that
are
important
to
people.
L
There's
no
John
Iten
in
here,
and
that
was
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
went
and
researched.
Where
is
this
guy
where's?
This
guy,
you
know,
have
his
work.
Where
are
his
drawings?
Where
are
his
archives?
Where
can
I
go
see
this
stuff
and
there
was
there's
no
place
to
go,
see
that
I
know
that
there's
a
book
at
the
Evanston
public
library
here
about
John,
9
but
I?
Think
that's
the
only
book
or
it's
the
only
place
for
that
book,
because
I
haven't
found
any
others
I.
A
L
Distill
I
will
distill.
Ok,
let's
move
on
to.
Let's
move
on
the
costs,
okay,
something
we
can
all
relate
to.
We've
established
a
figure
it.
Our
general
construction
company
established
a
figure
3.2
million
dollars
to
restore
the
structure
in
a
useful
condition
that
meets
the
exterior
requirements
for
a
landmark
structure
and
that
addresses
basic
improvements
in
for
an
interior,
3.2
million
dollars.
You
can
spend
that
in
the
blink
of
an
eye.
This
does
not
include
cost
involving
accessibility.
L
It
doesn't
include
costs
involving
structural
issues
that
will
be
encountered
once
the
building
gets
opened
up.
There's
a
myriad
of
issues.
This
building
is
no
longer
what
it
once
was,
and
these
structures
landmark
structures
is
something
you're
going
to
get
involved
with
involving
history,
they're
always
costly
endeavors.
They
are
there.
The
money
is,
you
know,
you've
heard
the
sayings.
You
know
it's
money
pit,
it's
a
domino
effect.
One
thing
leads
to
another
and
this-
and
this
would
be
the
same.
L
So
what
I'm
going
to
say
here
is
that
the
building
doesn't
meet
the
basic
standard
for
cloning
Revival
architecture,
this
architect,
although
a
hard-working
good
architect
who
produce
many
structures,
doesn't
meet
the
standard
that
many
architects
with
landmark
buildings
have
and
the
cost
that
would
be
imposed
upon
the
Sigma
Chi
foundation.
That
would
be
immense
and
it's
not.
K
Let
me
just
sum
up:
this
comes
before
this
committee
of
the
City
Council,
based
on
three
recommendations,
one
the
recommendation
found
in
2
8
4,
a
3
that
says
that
the
property
is
an
exemplification
of
an
architectural
type
style
or
design
distinguished
by
innovation,
rarity,
uniqueness
or
overall
quality
of
design,
detail,
materials
and
craftsmanship.
Is
it
a
nice
building
to
some?
It
obviously
is,
but
is
it
a
exemplification
of
a
style?
No.
Is
it
exemplification
of
something
that
set
a
new
style?
No,
is
it
unique,
even
if
we
assume
its
Colonial
Revival?
K
No,
there
are
other
Colonial
Revival
structures
that
have
already
been
landmarked
and
preserved
in
Evanston.
This
is
not
another
one
of
those
there's
nothing
special
about
the
architecture.
It
was
John
niden
designed
for
John
9,
but
not
in
a
style.
It
is
quite
candidly
an
amalgam
of
things
he
wanted
in
a
building,
but
it's
not
something
that
was
followed
by
anyone
else.
Now.
I
know
that
you
have
heard,
and
you
will
obviously
hear
that
people
find
it
to
be
an
attractive
in
a
building.
K
It
should
be
kept,
but
I
would
remind
you
the
only
experts
that
have
testified
before
either
the
commission
or
this
committee
of
the
City
Council
is
mr.
Hester.
Everyone
else
is
giving
a
personal
opinion
which
we
respect,
because
we
all
can
have
our
own
opinions
but
object
of
Lee
on
a
professional
level.
It
does
not
exemplify
a
style,
so
it
does
not
meet
a
three.
K
The
Preservation
Commission
also
said
it
met
under
a
four.
A
four
is
the
building
as
an
identification
as
a
work
of
an
architect
designer
engineer
or
builder,
whose
individual
work
is
significant
in
the
history
of
development
of
the
city,
the
state,
the
Midwest
region
in
the
United
States,
was
mr.
niden,
an
architect
that
designed
many
structures.
Yes,
but
is
that
a
reason
to
take
an
otherwise
non
noteworthy
older
home
from
the
1920s
requiring
significant
costs
and
say
we're
landmarking
it
because
there's
other
structures
that
have
been
landmark
that
are
his
I
submit
to
you?
K
No,
it
is
something
that
is
not
significant
in
that
regard.
It
is
if
we
close
our
eyes-
and
we
say
who
are
the
major
architects
that
we
know
I
would
submit
that
this
name
just
doesn't
come
to
us
now.
People
will
say
yes
he's
important
in
the
Swedish
community,
and
that
may
be
very
well
true,
but
what
is
not
true
is
that
he
is
noteworthy
as
a
architect
of
great
renown.
Was
he
used
the
word
prolific?
Was
he
acted?
K
Yes,
of
course,
but
this
building
once
again,
this
is
not
where
George
Washington's
left
it's
an
older
building
where
he
slept
mr.
niden,
but
it's
not
George
Washington's
home.
Lastly,
the
Commission
voted
that
it
had
the
integrity
of
landmarks
that
an
area,
property
structure
or
site.
That
means
any
one
or
more
of
the
criteria
we
just
discussed.
Shell
also
have
sufficient
integrity
of
location,
design,
materials
and
workmanship
to
make
it
worthy
of
preservation
or
restoration.
Here,
I
think
we
need
to
pause
and
think
again.
How
did
this
come
before
the
city?
K
It
did
not
come
from
city
staff,
it
did
not
come
from
the
Preservation
Commission,
it
did
not
come
from
the
owner.
It
came
from
a
third
party
who
says
I
like
the
building
it
should
be
kept.
That
is
something
that
is
very
rare
and
I
submit,
probably
has
not
really
occurred
in
this
community.
As
such,
there
is
a
high
standard
to
take
away
property
rights
and
they
simply
haven't
been
met
here.
An
interesting
sidelight
is
when
the
Sigma
Chi
Foundation
purchased
this
property
in
the
19th
seventies.
It
purchased
it
from
John
Knighton's
den
surviving
daughter.
K
Did
the
surviving
daughter
in
1970
come
to
the
city
and
say
this
should
be
landmark.
As
my
father's
building
is
such
an
exemplification
of
the
style?
No
did
she
come
to
the
city
and
say
this
should
be
landmark,
as
my
father
was
so
important
in
the
community
know
what
happened
instead,
this
city
established
the
lakeshore
historic
district
across
the
street
from
this
property
and
left
it
out.
Now
we
heard
in
front
of
the
commission.
That
was
just
a
mistake.
Okay,
perhaps
it
was
the
lakeshore
historic
district
and
all
the
historic
districts
were
then
reira.
K
Viewed
it
wasn't
included
again,
even
if
there
wasn't
a
specific
attempt
to
include
things
the
city
staff
didn't
say
we
made
a
mistake.
We
should
put
it
in
know
what
happened
next,
when
the
Sigma
Chi
foundation,
with
its
plans,
came
to
the
city,
the
city
building
department
issued
permits
to
cease
the
use
of
utilities
today,
when
the
city's
say
oh
wait,
this
is
an
important
structure.
No
and
I'm.
Not
here
and
I
will
not
say
that
your
city
staff
simply
dropped
the
ball
and
didn't
know
what
it
was
doing.
K
Your
city
staff
does
know
what
is
doing
as
a
consequence.
We
would
suggest
to
you
that,
under
the
circumstances
here,
this
is
simply
not
appropriate
for
landmarking.
Now,
as
I
said
and
enclosing,
this
city
is
I
can
say,
probably,
unfortunately,
very
aware
of
the
substantial
burden
and
the
substantial
cost
associated
with
bringing
a
historic
structure
back
on
line.
That's
the
Hadley
Clarke
mansion,
that
is
a
recognized
landmark
part
of
the
fabric
of
the
community
used
as
a
public
facility
and
the
cost.
There
are
staggering
to
a
city.
K
Consider
those
costs
within
property
such
as
this
that
the
owner
didn't
ask
the
city
staff,
didn't
ask
the
Commission
didn't
ask
in
imposing
those
costs
on
a
charitable
foundation.
That's
simply
I
would
submit
to
you
can't
really
be
appropriate
unless
we
can
find
that
there
is
such
an
overwhelming
conclusion
that
this
exemplifies
colonial
revival,
an
overwhelming
conclusion
that
this
particular
man
was
of
such
prominence,
such
as
George
Washington.
We
need
to
keep
his
home
and
an
overwhelming
conclusion
that
there's
enough
integrity
in
that
structure.
K
What
we
presented
to
the
Commission,
which
is
the
rest
of
the
slide
presentation
to
my
left,
shows
that
when
you
step
off
the
curb
and
walk
up
to
this
house,
there
are
substantial
problems.
There
are
walls
there
falling.
There
is
tuckpointing,
there's
rotted
use,
there's
a
whole
list
of
problems
that
mr.
Hester
has
gone
through
and
that's
before
you
look
behind.
If
you
will
the
curtain,
the
walls
and
the
ceilings
we're
almost
certainly
those
costs
will
even
increase
more
so
landmarking
will
create
for
this
community
is,
it
would
occur
effectively
a
white
elephant.
K
It
would
create
something
that
simply
couldn't
economically
or
feasibly
be
done.
It
has
no
integrity,
it
does
not
meet
colonial
revival,
which
is
what
the
Commission
said
it
met,
and
it
is
not
of
someone
of
great
enough
prominence
as
a
consequence.
We
appreciate
your
you
know
attention
and
we
ask
that
this
committee
not
accept
the
recommendation
of
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
and
to
the
extent
that
you'd
like
stands
for
any
questions.
M
M
Point
McCloud
private-public
Quentin
stay
within
my
time
on
it
and
just
about
nothing
that
was
said,
there's
accurate
from
that
entire
speech
that
was
just
given
and
I
can
go
through
point
by
point
and
explain
why
what
I
want
to
start
off
with,
though,
is
just
two
things:
one
the
comment
that
nobody
else
has
provided
testimony
to
the
city,
so
testimony
can
be
provided
in
a
written
hearing
but
can
also
be
provided
through
letters
to
the
city
from
experts
and,
as
the
planning
committee
is
aware,
two
of
the
most
significant
architectural
historians
in
the
city
of
Chicago
I
took
time
out
of
their
schedule,
not
paid
architects,
not
not
not
promoting
anyone's
agenda,
but
they
took
time
out
of
their
schedule
to
review
this
house
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
their
whole
letters.
M
You've
got
copies
without
it,
but
I'm
going
to
read
two
sections:
one
is
from
Tim
Samuelson,
who
is
a
shoe
city
of
Chicago's
cultural
historian,
the
former
curator
of
architecture
and
design
at
the
Chicago
Historical
Society
spent
15
years
as
a
historian
and
restoration
specialist
with
the
Commission
on
Chicago
landmarks.
So
an
expert
with
30
years
of
experience
in
preservation,
and
he
said,
but
let's
pretend
the
John
Iten
had
nothing
to
do
with
this
house.
M
It
still
stands
on
its
own
as
an
exceptional
architectural
work
of
the
period
and
complements
the
materials
scale
and
overall
quality
of
the
streetscape
walking
the
site.
Yesterday,
I
was
impressed
by
the
houses
strong
presence
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
even
though
it
is
surrounded
by
later
area
structures,
etc.
Also,
teri
Tatum,
another
architectural
historian,
the
former
director
of
research,
historic
preservation
from
the
city
of
Chicago
for
14
years
from
2000
to
2014
and
instructor
of
historic
preservation
program
for
the
last
18
years.
M
At
the
School
of
Art
Institute
of
Chicago
said
even
without
the
connection
to
a
significant
architect.
The
Nitin
house
is
a
handsomely
designed
house,
exemplary
of
the
Colonial
Revival
architectural
design.
Its
use
of
brick,
wood
and
tile
is
very
fine,
exhibiting
the
best
craftsmanship,
the
houses
front
entrance
with
the
pediment
and
surround
and
multi
panel
doors
excellently
proportioned,
as
is
the
adjacent
front
porch,
with
a
beautiful
Doric
order.
M
One
other
thing,
one
other
thing
and
then
I'll
get
started
in
this
book
is
something
called
the
victory
monument
which
is
a
monument
which
will
go
through
my
presentation
today.
I'm
not
sure
why
folks
missed
it
when
they
were
looking
through
this
book,
but
the
victory
monument
is
both
a
National,
Historic
Register
site
and
a
city
of
Chicago
landmark
the
architect
of
that
it's
in
here
you
can
look
in
the
index
and
find
it
the
architect
of
that
of
that
site
was
John
Iten,
and
so
he
his
work
is
in
here.
M
His
monuments
are
in
this
book
and
they're
in
a
lot
of
other
books
too.
So
we're
going
to
go
through
that
too,
because
my
my
library's
a
little
different
than
Sigma
ties.
So,
let's
start
with
the
presentation.
What
I'd
like
to
talk
to
about
today
is
a
couple
of
different
things.
Two
points:
basically,
the
house
itself
is
a
really
really
nice
house
that
should
be
saved.
It
stands
on
its
own,
even
without
the
connection
tonight,
and
that's
the
consistent
theme
you
hear
from
from
all
the
folks
who
are
in
favor
of
this.
M
The
other
thing
I
want
to
go
through
is
just
how
much
Nitin
contributed
to
the
city
of
Evanston,
to
the
city
of
Chicago
and
to
the
state
at
large.
He
was
an
excellent,
excellent
architect,
and
so,
let's
just
get
started
with
some
exterior
photos,
and
so
folks,
if
you
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
walk
by
and
see
the
house,
so
the
house
is
brick.
You
look
at
the
materials
of
the
house,
it
has
had
some
deferred
maintenance,
but
it
is
a
brick
house
with
a
tile
roof.
It
has
a
porch
colonial,
viable
homes.
M
Only
about
the
top
10%
of
Colonial
Revival
homes
would
have
a
porch
on
them.
So
it's
a
very
special
feature
to
have
a
front
porch,
and
this
is
the
view
that
you
see
from
across
the
street
from
it
from
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
When
you
walk
by
this
is
the
back
of
the
house.
What
Nitin
did
with
the
Colonial
Revival
here
is
what
every
really
good
architect
does.
M
Is
they
experiment
with
the
structure
for
their
own
home,
and
so
you
can
see
Colonial
Revival
elements,
but
then
you
can
see
things
like
the
arched
in
the
back
things
that
he
made
the
house
special
by
doing
himself.
This
is
the
south
side
of
the
house,
very
traditional
Colonial,
Revival,
double
Sun
sunroom
areas
very
well
proportioned.
You
can
see
some
of
the
other
details
if
you
look
on
the
tops
of
each
window,
there's
a
limestone,
pediment,
surrounded
by
brick,
detailing
really
really
excellent
craftsmanship
in
terms
of
the
house.
This
is
a
north
view.
M
This
is
an
aerial
view
from
the
condominium
building
next
door
at
1730
Hinman,
and
we
have
many
many
folks
in
the
audience
from
that
building
today
and
they
look
down
in
this
building.
These
are
people
who
look
at
this
every
day
and
we
have
a
hundred
percent
support
from
the
neighbors.
As
part
of
this
as
part
of
trying
to
save
this
house
and
the
folks
who
look
down
on
this,
they
say
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
I
bought
my
condominium.
M
One
reason
to
pick
Evanston
to
retire
in
is
because
I
get
to
look
at
something
like
this
every
day,
so
folks
have
different
opinions
on
whether
or
not
a
tile
roof
and
original
hundred-year-old
copper.
Roofs
are
significant,
but
all
the
folks
who
look
at
this
every
day
think
it's
significant
there's
the
front
door
that
you
can
see
pointed
out
by
one
of
the
architectural
historians
with
30
years
of
experience
in
Chicago,
and
you
can
see
all
the
classic
designs
of
the
Colonial
Revival.
It's
got
an
open
pediment
top.
M
It's
got
an
arched,
transom,
divided
light
windows,
etc.
Eight
Doric
columns
on
the
front
porch,
you
know
just
again
a
really
really
neat
feature
to
put
a
front
porch
on
a
house
like
this.
This
house
is
only
about
a
block
away
from
the
Women's
Club
of
Evanston,
which
is
a
male
building
at
landmark
and
National
Historic
Register
building,
which
has
a
similar
type
front
porch.
M
These
are
dormers
along
the
top
very
Colonial
Revival,
in
the
sense
that
they're
very
symmetrical
you'll
see
that
in
a
lot
of
the
features.
So
while
he
did
experiment
and
put
a
few
unique
elements
on
the
house,
many
of
the
features,
including
the
windows
and
the
dormers
and
things
like
that
are
extremely
symmetrical,
but
they
also
include
the
detailing.
M
M
Another
unique
aspect
of
this
house
is:
it
has
a
coach
house.
If
you
look
at
the
lakeshore
historic
district
inventory,
only
a
couple
dozen
coach
houses
are
are
inventoried
out
of
about
eight
hundred
structures
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
So
having
a
coach
house
is
a
very
unique
thing.
The
tiled
roof
has
been
replaced
with
asphalt,
but
the
original
carriage
house
doors
are
on
the
side.
M
M
They
thought
enough
of
this
house
at
that
time
to
put
in
an
architectural
review
with
a
full-page
ad
again
a
pretty
special
house,
and
this
is
what
everybody
who
looks
at
this
house,
whether
they're
experts
in
architectural
history,
whether
they're
neighbors,
whether
the
folks
who
put
the
boiler
in
eighty
years
ago,
they're
all
saying
the
same
thing
special
house
and
that's
like
it's
all
this
attention
and
that's
why
it
has
come
before
the
city
before
we'll
talk
more
about
that
in
a
little
bit.
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
John
Knight
in
the
architect.
M
So
do
we
now
know
that
his
work
is
in
this
book?
The
a
book
we
know
his
work
has
been
a
lot
of
other
books
as
well,
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second,
but
let's
just
give
a
summary
of
his
work,
so
he
designed
approximately
300
buildings,
highly
prolific
in
Evanston,
Chicago
Illinois
in
the
country
he
built
large
scale,
buildings,
large
dollar,
large
scale,
buildings,
apartments,
hotels,
houses,
hospitals,
etc.
He's
got
eight
individually
listed
properties
on
the
National
Historic
Register.
That
alone
is
a
huge
accomplishment
that
puts
them
in
rarified
company
among
architects.
M
Additionally,
he's
got
at
least
eight
other
area
in
inventory
listings
for
four
national
historic
listings.
Just
in
Evanston
he
had
seven
Evanston,
landmark
properties
we'll
go
through.
Some
of
those
he's
got
several
city
of
Chicago
landmarks
and
he
was
appointed
by
the
governor
of
Illinois,
the
state
architect
from
1926
to
1927,
so
pretty
pretty
impressive
guy.
But
let's,
let's
talk
about
the
books,
because
this
issue
came
up
at
the
Preservation
Commission
which
by
the
way
was
not
a
split
vote.
It
was
a
unanimous
six
to
nothing
vote.
M
The
reason
why
there
was
confusion
at
the
original
meeting
was
because
folks
were
confused
about
the
Covenant,
because
this
house
was
special
enough
before
that
forty-one
years
ago,
before
any
historic
districts
before
you
could
landmark
a
property,
so
mister
noggins
daughter,
couldn't
come
and
landmark
something
because
the
ordinance
didn't
exist.
The
house
was
special
enough,
then,
where
all
the
neighbors
across
the
street,
when
Sigma
Chi
purchased
it
were
up
in
arms.
They
went
to
the
city.
M
There
was
a
zone
order,
the
pickles
on
it
and
they
put
both
a
covenant
restricting
the
house
and
it's
not
a
single
family
appearances
to
maintain
this
property
as
a
single
family.
So
this
specific
house
they
put
a
covenant
and
passed
an
ordinance
at
that
time
forty-one
years
ago,
so
this
house
was
protected
before
the
other
thousand
structures
in
Evanston
that
are
currently
protected
as
being
landmarks
and
part
of
historic
districts.
M
It
was
protected
as
any
of
them,
but
let's
talk
about
architecture
and
history
books
again
way
this
this
issue
came
up
at
the
Preservation
Commission
as
well
that
that
night
in
isn't
in
any
books-
and
that's
just
not
true
like
just
about
everything
that
was
said-
it's
just
not
true.
So
let's
go
through
some
of
the
books,
a
book
that
was
put
out
just
about
ten
years
ago.
You
can
find
in
the
bookstore
Chicago
apartments
a
century
of
lakefront
luxury
by
Neil
Harris.
M
He
took
the
entire
lakefront
of
Chicago
and
he
took
all
the
buildings
near
the
lakefront
and
he
came
up
with
a
list
of
the
all-time
best
buildings.
It
was
less
than
a
hundred
buildings
night
and
has
two
of
those
less
than
100,
and
the
other
architects
in
this
book
are
all
the
names
that
mister
has
nur
was
talking
about.
It's
all
famous
architects,
and
this
wasn't
just
something.
That's
recent
from
2004.
M
It
was
kind
of
a
landmark
publication
that
listed
all
the
best
apartment
buildings
in
Chicago
and
again
nine
Ann's
work
was
there
right,
alongside
all
the
very
best
architects
in
Chicago
he's
in
book,
you
may
have
an
eID
home
on
the
coffee
table
tour
through
the
city's
history
by
Marjorie,
Blair,
Perkins,
Evanston,
history
book,
the
Western
architect,
an
architectural
journal
published
night
and
four
times
in
the
19-teens
twice:
four
houses
once
for
low
rise
apartment
building
and
once
for
a
church.
The
history
of
development
of
building
construction
in
Chicago
in
1949
highlights
mr.
M
diamonds
work,
North,
Park
University,
which
night
and
designed
the
grounds
of,
and
many
of
the
original
buildings
which
are
still
standing
today.
History
book
put
out
just
eight
years
ago
details
how
an
item
developed
that
campus
and
a
large
number
of
buildings,
the
a
a
guy
here,
the
victory
monument
is
included
there
and
there's
specific
actual
history
or
historical
write-ups
on
items
background
jam.
B
A
M
A
M
Let
me
just
say
in
just
let
me
summarize
for
a
minute
or
two.
Let
me
just
say
that
you've
got
the
materials
that
show
dozens
of
buildings
designed
by
night
and
their
landmark
buildings,
they're,
National,
Historic,
Register
properties
he's
the
the
cost
figures
that
were
presented.
We
have
reached
out
to
Jim
Captain
Holt's,
who
is
a
expert
at
historic
renovation.
He
did
the
Oscar
Mayer
house
in
Evanston
recently,
which
you
may
know
on
Forest
Avenue.
M
He
estimated
a
full
museum
quality,
exterior
restoration
of
this
house
from
an
on-site
visit
to
the
point
of
taking
all
the
windows
out
of
the
house,
putting
them
in
steam
baths,
taking
the
paint
off
reassembling,
all
the
glass,
putting
them
all
back
in
all
brand-new
roof,
everything
to
a
quality,
that's
above
almost
any
house
in
Evanston.
He
estimated
that
cost.
A
M
M
Fine,
that's
fine,
so
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
cover
that
the
cost
the
cost
estimates
are
dramatically
out
of
line
with
what
a
historic
preservation
expert,
who
does
that
for
a
living
in
Evanston
said
and
I'll.
Probably
let
me
just
turn
it
over
in
the
interest
of
time
to
other
folks.
I
could
keep
going,
but
I
will
honestly
tell
you
given
enough
time.
Every
single
point
that
was
made
is
inaccurate.
This
is
a
fantastic
house,
everybody
who
sees
it
appreciates
that.
M
That's
why
it
was,
but
in
architectural
magazines
of
the
year
after
it
was
built
that
fire
architectural
historians
are
standing
up
for
it.
That's
why
we
have
a
hundred
percent
support
across
neighbors
landmarks,
Illinois,
they're,
respected
not-for-profit
that
that
saves
built
into
nellen
I
came
out
in
full
support
of
saving
this
home,
so
we
have
neighbors.
We
have
architectural
historians
night
and
design
a
Swedish
American
Museum
in
Philadelphia,
the
oldest
in
the
country.
M
The
director
of
that
museum
has
written
to
the
city,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
there's
just
tons
of
written
evidence,
I
hope
folks
have
a
time
to
go
through
all
the
materials,
because
there
there's
quite
a
few
and
with
that
I
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
and
if
anybody
has
any
follow-up
questions,
I'm
always
happy
to
answer
any
of
them.
Thank
You,
alderman.
H
M
A
A
M
Can
have
some
sort
of
register
Evanston
landmark
same
jeido,
heaven
shire
hotel
were
lucky
platter.
Restaurants
located
he
designed
the
whole
block
there.
Two
and
a
half
million
dollar
right
up
on
ultra-modern
apartments
from
1922
as
you're
driving
up
Sheridan
Road
yield
passes
vintage
apartment
buildings
where
most
of
them
are
condos.
Now
one
of
one
percent
of
Evanston
residents
live
in
a
vintage,
an
apartment
building.
He
basically
created
the
character
of
Southeast
Evanston.
He
also
built
in
downtown
Evanston
Hahn
building
Evanston
landmark
downtown
Evanston.
M
He
built
houses
as
well
28:55
Sheridan
place,
Evanston
landmark
in
Chicago
city
of
Chicago,
landmark
National
Register
of
Historic
Places,
the
best
example
of
a
community
bank
building,
Belmont,
Sheffield
trust
and
Savings
Bank
257
East
Delaware,
the
condominium
building
that
appears
in
all
those
history
books,
the
victory
monument
Chicago
and
Bronzeville.
Celebrating
an
african-american
regiment
that
lost
137
lives
in
World
War,
one,
the
Admiral
apartment
hotel,
also
a
period
in
all
the
history
books,
fairfax
apartment
hotel.
M
These
are
just
a
handful
Commonwealth
Hotel
in
Chicago,
the
easel
department
hotel,
the
oldest
known
residential
hotel,
built
in
Chicago
in
the
20th
century,
is
an
iron
building.
First
British
Baptist
Church
1242
West
Addison
Orange,
listed
by
the
city
of
Chicago,
soon
to
be
a
city
of
Chicago,
landmark
North
Park
college
with
night
in
design
some
of
his
example
buildings.
They
still
are
in
existence
today,
but
it's
neat
that
postcards
exist
of
them
in
Illinois
and
beyond
the
grandstand
at
the
State
Fairgrounds.
M
The
biggest
thing
at
the
State
Fair
got
in
Illinois
holds
13
thousand
people
and
the
whole
entire
fairground
is
a
National
Historic
Site
Goddard
Chapel
Rose
Hill
Cemetery,
Marion,
National,
Historic
Register,
and
here's
the
American
Swedish
Historical
Museum
in
Philadelphia.
This
is
just
a
handful.
This
is
in
all
of
them.
This
is
just
some
of
the
stuff
that
this
man
did
so
and
the
house
is
completely
original
to.
It
had
no
renovations
to
it.
So
it's
historically
100%
intact
and
just
one
last
thing
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
supporters.
M
The
Evanston
preservation
ordinance
is
very
clear.
Seven
different
parties
can
nominate
a
structure.
The
last
listed
the
seventh
listed
is
the
owner
of
the
property,
so
the
ordinance
absolutely
envisions
many
many
other
people
nominating
properties.
It's
not
up
to
specific
folks
to
decide
history,
that's
why
we
have
historical
districts
that
include
some
people
who
are
in
favor
of
that
some
people
who
are
opposed
to
it.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
A
J
Will
I
will
be
brief?
As
someone
who
said,
I
am
Mary
McWilliams.
As
someone
who
sat
on
the
preservation
Commission's
evaluation
committee
from
its
inception
in
nineteen,
seventy
seven
to
nineteen
nineteen,
eighty
seven
I
can
only
say
that
the
only
reason
we
that
we
missed
this
building,
we
evaluated
the
Commission
committee
evaluated
all
of
the
buildings
that
were
ultimately
determined
by
the
Commission
to
be
landmarks.
J
The
committee
would
have
looked
at
this
building
in
the
part
of
its
earliest
work
in
1977
and
78.
Those
first
evaluations
taught
us
the
magnitude
of
the
work
still
to
be
done.
We
did
not
go
back
to
any
area
to
see
if
we
had
missed
any
buildings
as
it
was.
It
took
us
ten
years
to
complete
the
initial
survey
of
the
city.
Those
of
us
on
the
evaluation
committee
have
believed
that,
ideally,
the
survey
process
would
be
done
would
be
one
in
which
the
Preservation
Commission
started.
J
Eight
systematic
resurface
of
the
city's
buildings,
the
house
at
seventeen.
Twenty
six
Hindman
was
not
included
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
because
of
strict
National
Park
Service
rules
on
district
boundaries,
which
do
not
allow
crossing
the
street
to
include
mid
block
to
pick
up
a
single
building.
For
that
reason,
only
17:26
Hillman
was
not
included
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
The
purpose
of
a
recent
research,
a
Lake
Shore
historic
district,
was
to
review
and
update
the
history
of
the
buildings
inside
the
district
only
and
not
to
change
buildings
or
add
buildings
to
the
district.
J
For
that
reason,
1726
inland
was
not
added
to
the
district.
I
regret
that
the
Commission
did
not
designate
the
building
17:27
six
inland
back
in
the
1970s,
but
I
wholeheartedly
support
its
designation.
Now
it
is
a
fine
building
by
an
architect
who
was
important
in
the
architectural
history
of
Evanson
and
the
Illinois.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
P
Hello,
I'm,
Peggy,
reeds
and
I
live
at
1725
henman
I
live
directly
across
the
street,
I
have
to
say,
I'm,
very
sympathetic
to
Sigma
Chi,
honestly
I'm,
a
little
sister
of
Sigma
Chi.
Back
to
my
sorority
days.
We
have
husband
as
a
fraternity.
Member
I
also
have
a
master's
in
philanthropy
and
nonprofit
management,
so
I
understand
how
foundations
run.
I
am
shocked.
P
The
Sigma
Chi
for
that
many
years
was
so
short-sighted
that
they
did
not
put
any
money
into
keeping
up
this
building.
They
have
a
buildings
and
grounds
committee.
They
have
a
development
committee.
Why
do
those
people
not
see
that
it
was
starting
to
deteriorate?
It's
very
obvious
for
the
past
they've
said
it's
been
three
years.
It's
been
many
many
more
years
for
it
to
get
to
this
date.
I
cannot
help
the
fear
because
they
are
responsible
for
the
condition
of
that
building
and
they
should
be
responsible
for
dealing
with
the
financial
impacts.
A
I
A
I
A
K
A
K
What
I
think
is
important?
Is
you
looked
at
pictures
that
were
presented?
If
you
look
at
the
rest
of
the
presentation
that
we
gave,
which
is
not
from
across
the
street
or
the
surrounding
it's
up
close?
You
will
notice
that
this
property
does
not
look
like
these
pictures.
It
has
substantial
issues
regarding
it
and
if
it
can
be
fixed
for
three
hundred
and
thirty-five
thousand
dollars
and
that
person's
willing
to
sign
a
contract
saying
that's
all,
it
will
cost
I
suggest
the
city
hires
them
to
go.
Do
the
Harley
Clark
mansion?
K
A
Got
your
problems:
we've
got
our
problems,
don't
mix
them
up,
you're,
mixing,
hi,
Lee,
Clark
and
Sigma
Chi.
You
know
mix
it
all
right!
Stop!
Stop!
Stop
the
woman
who
wants
to
speak
I'm
going
to
give
you
like
two
seconds,
come
on
up
who
didn't
sign
up
who
come
on?
Okay,
let's
not
force
her
to
speak
for
goodness
sakes.
What
I
have
everybody
here?
You're,
not.
C
C
A
B
B
Be
interested
the
owners
represented
that
they
never
are
considering
some
alternative.
Maybe
I'll
turn
it
into
the
wrong
word,
but
just
considering
what
may
be
the
options
are,
I
would
be
interested
in
seeing
what
they
can
come
back
with.
So
if
we
can,
you
know,
keep
it
on
the
table
and
and
discuss
it
further.
That.
B
A
H
H
A
F
F
H
O
O
No,
if
the
ordinance
is
that,
if
the
after,
the
commission
of
the
council
receives
a
report
from
the
City
Council,
there
set
the
number
of
days
that
the
council
has
to
make
a
decision
and
if
they
don't
it
in
the
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
find
there
at
the
right
text.
If
you
can
just
in
a
moment
120
days
from
the
gifts
from
the.
O
C
A
N
A
N
On
your
next,
thank
you
hi.
My
name
is
Betty
Esther.
We
have
an
item
for
discussion
that
is
always
before
this
committee,
and
that
is
the
affordable
housing
issue,
which
is
one
of
the
goals
that
the
council
set.
N
That
in
feet
of
lieu
should
be
restricted
from
the
inclusionary
zoning.
If
you're
going
to
have
like
you
said,
you
want
people
that
are
at
the
third
of
a
trend
of
50%
below
the
area
median
income,
then
that
is
the
item
that
you
need
to
strike
from
your
inclusionary
zoning
order
so
that
those
people
would
have
units
to
move
in.
Thank
you.
Another.
A
A
N
The
inclusionary
zoning
board
is
I,
know,
I,
don't
have
time
this
week,
but
she
has
out,
given
my
number
and
she
can
call
and
in
between
I
will
talk
to
her,
but
it's
in
the
Oregon.
It
says
in
lieu
of
the
person
giving
in
the
unit
they
will
give
the
city
of
B,
and
that
is
a
disservice
to
the
people
here
that
need
affordable
housing.