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A
We
have
a.
We
have
a
quorum,
I'm
declaring
the
meeting
calling
the
meeting
to
order.
So
the
first
item
is
p
m:
one
approval
of
minutes
of
the
regular
planning
and
development
committee
meetings
of
june
14
june,
28
and
july
26th.
Would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
with
respect
to
that.
D
A
All
right,
the
the
minutes
are
approved.
E
A
To
thank
you,
then.
Next
we're
going
to
move
to
public
comment,
I'd
like
to
for
us
to
we're
going
to
take
public
all
of
public
comment
first
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
particular
issues,
and
we
have
several
people
who
will
be
speaking
on
particular
issues
and
we'll
call
on
them.
As
their
item
comes
up
so
first,
I
have
sean
foster.
A
Oh
and
let's
see.
A
G
A
G
All
I'm
looking
for
is
clarification
around
the
process,
so
without
belaboring
the
point
too
much
we
have
an
application
in
for
an
adu
that
began
before
the
moratorium.
Discussion
came
up.
It
is
an
owner-occupied
home.
G
I
won't
again
belabor
the
details,
but
the
feedback
from
zoning
while
this
is
going
on,
has
been
don't
say
anything
until
legal
says
it's
okay
to
say
something,
and
meanwhile
I'm
kind
of
hanging
in
the
balance.
So
the
greater
clarification
that
you
can
give,
particularly
if
non-owner
occupied,
is
outside
of
this
open
scope
of
this
discussion
would
be
super
helpful.
That's
my
only
comment.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
So
the
proposed
moratorium
is
on
the
is,
is
on
non-owner
occupied
internal
and
attached
accessory
dwelling
units,
so
anything
outside
of
that
we've
continued
to
permit
and
review.
So
if,
if
after
this
meeting
or
if
you
want
to
send
an
email
to
staff,
your
pros,
your
application
should
go
forward
if
it
is
outside
of
what
is
the
moratorium.
So
again,
the
moratorium
is
on
non-owner
occupied
properties
or
non-or
non-owner
occupied
detached.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
saying
this
wrong
internal
and
attached
adus
that
are
non-owner
occupied
is
where
this
moratorium
is.
C
G
H
Okay,
I'd
just
like
to
I'd
be
very
brief.
I'm
a
member
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
church
and
I'm
the
assistant
treasurer,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
landmarking,
the
our
building
would
preclude
one
potential
use
of
the
property
which
would
be
single-family
homes
and
would
also
impose
on
the
congregation
an
additional
burden
of
maintaining
the
building
up
to
a
standard.
We
cannot
afford,
and
I
appreciate
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
I
I
I'm
speaking
tonight
to
share
my
views
on
item
t5
regarding
a
moratorium
on
non-owner-occupied
interior
adus,
and
I
respectfully
ask
the
members
of
this
committee
to
vote
against
introducing
ordinance
75-0-21
on
the
basis
of
racial
equity
and
good
governance.
As
an
engaged
citizen,
I'd
like
to
see
something
say
something
approach
to
these
matters.
I
I
Along
the
way,
there
was
an
attempt
to
limit
detachables
to
be
no
taller
than
the
primary
residents
using
cook
county
data.
We
realized
that
single-level
grand
style
homes
were
again
predominantly
in
west
evanston.
We
saw
that
would
negatively
affect
west
edmonton
homeowners.
So
again,
we
said
something
that
city
council
voted
to
not
further
restrict
the
creation
of
sensible
housing
options
for
our
homeowners.
These
are
two
examples
of
why
evanson
is
a
leader
in
adu
policy.
I
Today,
when
I
look
at
importance
75021,
I
see
two
things.
First,
I
see
the
need
to
address
the
ever-growing
issue
of
absentee
landlords
in
our
community.
Their
presence
has
detrimental
effects
on
evidence
and
neighborhoods
evidence
and
homeowners,
and
also
for
the
young
adult
renters,
who
are
often
being
taken
advantage
of.
As
such,
I
fully
support
the
new
p
d
subcommittee,
as
we
will
need
to
bring
forth
creative
and
actionable
solutions
to
stop
this
behavior
by
out
of
town
with
investors.
I
Second,
I
see
a
proposed
solution.
That's
going
to
predominantly
hurt
the
opportunity
for
low
and
moderate
income
homeowners
to
access
financing
to
build
adus.
I
also
see
a
process
that
will
add
incredible
burden
to
our
city
staff
when
it
comes
to
compliance
and
enforcement.
All
of
these
concerns
have
been
raised
eloquently
in
the
memo
in
today's
package.
I
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
keep
moving
forward
as
a
community
not
to
take
a
step
back,
knowing
that
80
occupancy
requirements
disproportionately
hurt
lower
and
moderate
income
homeowners.
I
just
don't
see
the
proposed
solution
as
a
viable
one,
given
our
commitment
to
ending
structural
racism
and
achieving
racial
equity.
A
unanimous
resolution
adopted
in
june
2019,
so
I
conclude
by
respectfully
asking
that
we
end
the
adu
occupancy
discussion
tonight
so
that
we
can
devote
our
time
and
resources
to
fully
address
absentee
landlords
and
the
other
pressing
issues
facing
our
city
today.
J
I'm
mary
mcwilliams,
I'm
here
to
speak
on
the
church.
J
Will
yes?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Sorry,
I'm
short
and
the
microphone
was
tight
tall
evanston
once
called
itself
the
city
of
churches.
One
way
to
memorialize
the
significance
of
churches
in
evanston's
history
is
to
designate
them
as
evanston
landmarks
in
the
1970s
and
80s.
The
preservation
commission
found
14
churches
that
met
one
or
more
criteria
for
designation
11
churches
were
determined
to
exemplify
an
architectural
style
distinguished
by
rarity,
overall
quality
design,
detail
or
craftsmanship.
J
In
july.
The
preservation
commission
found
that
the
second
church
of
christ
to
scientists
also
meets
these
crites
criterion.
Seven
of
the
churches
cited
for
architecture
were
designed
by
firms,
not
individual
architects.
According
to
the
building
permits,
the
firms
were
thomas
and
watson
for
four
churches:
burniman
route,
holyburn
roach
and
atchison
and
edbrook.
When
determining
whether
the
churches
in
question
qualified
to
be
evanston
and
landmarks.
The
preservation
commission
did
not
question
whether
thomas
tallmadge,
who
lived
in
evanston
or
vernon
watson,
had
designed
the
four
churches
listed
on
the
building
permits
over
the
name,
talmadge
and
watson.
J
J
Larry
perkins
was
the
founder
and
a
principal
of
the
firm
and,
as
such,
was
responsible
for
the
quality
of
all
the
designs
produced
by
his
firm.
Finally,
the
let's
the
initial
list
of
evanston
landmarks
compiled
in
the
1970s
and
80s
was
never
intended
to
be
a
definitive
list
of
significant
evidence
and
structures.
J
L
Good
evening
council
member
chamber
members
and
guests
robert
shivers,
a
member
of
second
church
of
christ,
zionist
evanston
2715,
hurt
avenue.
I'm
going
to
start
my
video,
forgive
me,
and
I
will
be
speaking
a
little
bit
faster
than
normal.
Just
to
get
the
information
in
I'm
saying
resolutely.
L
They
have
the
unusual
position
of
one
person
advocating
for
the
landmarking
of
a
building
without
the
owners
advocating
for
it.
In
addition,
the
petitioner,
mr
neville,
waited
three
years
to
file
the
landmarking
petition,
though
the
church
was
on
the
market
for
at
least
three
or
four
years
prior
to
that,
and
during
that
time
was
set
for
demolition
by
dapper.
The
apr
committee
in
november
2020
with
no
objection
by
the
city
in
accord
with
plans
to
build
a
new
child
care
facility,
quite
at
odds
and
inconsistent
with
his
future
actions.
L
Mr
nebel
made
no
recorded
attempt
to
landmark
the
church
when
it
first
went
on
the
market
years
ago
and
even
when
it
was
set
to
be
demolished.
It
is
also
quite
noteworthy
that
kate
sterling
from
the
historic
preservation
commission
never
raised
any
objections
at
the
november
2020
meeting,
but
later
switched
his
position
without
very
clear
explanation.
L
Therefore,
excessive
abuse
or
use
of
landmarking
as
a
way
to
block
development
may
very
well
lead
to
the
opposite
goals.
It
was
intended
to
achieve,
in
other
words,
to
deteriorating
buildings.
The
historical
preservation
commission
gave
our
church
the
opportunity
to
present
thoroughly
research
objections
which
were
delivered
in
two
sessions
with
the
preservation
commission.
M
N
Okay,
there,
I
think
I'm
unmuted
there
you
go
good
evening,
and
thank
you
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
reviewing
our
situation.
I'm
elizabeth
drake,
the
treasurer
of
the
second
church
of
christ,
scientist
in
evanston
and
I'm
here
as
treasurer,
but
wanted
to
first
mention
that
my
background
as
an
interior
designer
for
20
plus
years
on
the
north
shore
does
give
me
an
appreciation
of
architectural
history
and
its
context
to
our
situation.
N
But
I'm
here
speaking
as
the
treasurer
these
past
three
years,
I'd
like
to
ask
if
you
realize
that
the
landmarking
of
our
building
against
our
wishes
has
the
unintended
consequence
of
imposing
on
our
rights
as
an
evanston
church
congregation.
We
built
the
building
we
own
it.
We've
maintained
it
for
75
years,
and
now
preservation
intends
to
tell
us
the
standards
of
our
maintenance
on
the
building,
to
the
point
where
we
may
not
be
able
to
maintain
it
as
previously
done.
N
N
Preservation
would
not
permit
us
to
modify
them
in
any
way
to
become
affordable
replacement
windows,
which
we
certainly
need
to
do
now
that
our
air
conditioning
from
the
60s
has
died.
So
here
we
are
this
summer
with
windows
that
don't
open
and
air
conditioning
that
does
not
work,
because
we're
under
preservation
nomination
brought
forth
by
one
member
going
on
nearly
four
or
five
years
now
we
have
been
attempting
to
right-size
our
building
to
a
smaller
low-maintenance
setting
for
a
small
congregation
by
selling
our
400
seat.
N
It
is
unrealistic
to
expect
the
building
to
be
maintained,
as
we
have
done
in
the
past,
as
it's
equally
unrealistic,
to
expect
our
mostly
senior
membership
to
continue
giving
their
good
money
after
a
bad
situation
as
the
treasurer,
I
am
asking
you
to
vote
no
to
the
landmarking
2715
herd
street.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
D
Okay,
the
video
will
not
start
the
video
is
not
starting
well
I'll
start,
my
video
okay.
There
we
go
good
evening.
My
name
is
lynn,
graham
and
I
live
in
ward
6.,
I'm
a
member
of
joining
forces.
I
work
on
affordable
housing
issues
of
the
peace
and
justice
committee
of
lakes
from
church.
I'm
asking
you
to
eliminate
the
three
unrelated
rule
and
the
definition
of
family,
as
these
are
a
barrier
for
older
adults
to
form
households
for
social
and
economic
benefits
for
longtime
evanston
residents
who
want
to
remain
in
town
sharing.
D
Housing,
presents
a
way
to
cut
costs
and
to
form
a
supportive
living
environment.
Isolation
as
we've
been
reminded,
and
then
pandemic
is
unhealthy
for
all
ages.
Social
interaction
is
important
to
keep
adults
actively,
learning
and
engaged.
Not
all
retirees
in
evanston
can
afford
the
luxury
of
moving
into
a
continuing
care
place
with
limited
income.
Less
often
less
mobility
and
access
to
cars.
The
household
can
combine
resources
and
meet
the
needs
of
all
the
problems.
Students
in
neighborhood
is
perennial
and
bad
behavior
leads
needs
to
be
curbed.
D
O
O
O
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
example
of
a
family
who
wants
to
put
an
adu
in
their
house.
I
know
that
this
is
not
the
issue.
This
is
not
the
moratorium,
but
this
woman,
this
family,
is
so
confused
that
they're
not
going
to
do
it.
They
they
were
so
looking
forward
to
having
an
adu
in
their
house
for
their
mother,
who
would
one
who
they
want
to
come
live
with
them,
but
they
can't
do
this.
O
O
He
said,
go
on
to
other
things,
go
to
three
unrelated,
but
do
not
do
anything
with
the
adus.
We've
worked
so
hard
to
try
to
get
them
in
evanston.
This
family
is
very
disappointed
as
they
were
looking
forward
to
having
their
mother
come
and
live
with
them,
and
now
they're
not
going
to
do
it.
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
not
the
time
to
have
families
live
apart.
This
is
the
time
to
bring
families
together.
P
Now,
okay,
thank
you
good
evening,
chair
and
council
members.
I
would
like
to
talk
about
p2,
first
rent
and
mortgage
assistance.
P
P
P
P
P
P
So
when
you
take
the
word
family
out,
then
you're
giving
a
pass
to
landlords
for
over
occupancy.
There's
many
rules
on
the
book.
I
went
to
many
of
the
nuisance
ordinance
from
former
alderman
rainey
and
former
aldrin
wilson
had
the
nuisance
ordinance
committee
for
over
a
year
that
was
passed
by
the
council
and
it
should
be
enforced.
P
Yes,
so
we
need
to
as
council
member
kelly
stated,
we
need
a
committee
and
no
action
should
be
taken
on
these
regulations
today,
black
lives
matter
all
the
time,
not
sometimes
thank
you.
Q
Q
Excuse
me
for
communities
with
large
college
student
populations,
and
I
found
with
very
few
exceptions
that
the
overall
trend
is
for
college
towns
to
require
that
an
owner
occupy
either
the
primary
or
accessory
dwelling
communities
that
require
adus
to
be
on
owner-occupied
lots
include:
bloomington,
indiana,
madison,
wisconsin,
iowa
city,
penn,
state's
community,
minneapolis,
boston,
miami
dallas
and
philadelphia.
Q
I
also
researched
occupancy
limits
for
unrelated
persons
in
college
towns,
and
I
found
a
report
from
college
town
life
referenced
online.
In
numerous
places.
This
report
states
that
college
towns
most
often
need
to
enact
some
form
of
occupancy
limit
ordinance
for
either
of
two
reasons:
one
safety,
two
maintaining
affordable
housing
for
all
residents.
Q
Given
that
no
or
few
limits
on
the
number
of
unrelated
occupants
can
raise
home
prices
in
college
towns
out
of
the
reach
of
families
and
singles
or
couples
because
homes
in
college
towns
often
sell
for
10
times
the
yearly
rental
income
very
close
to
over
a
very
close
to
half
of
the
over
a
hundred
college
towns.
In
this
report
limit
occupancy
to
three
or
two
unrelated
persons,
a
large
group
of
the
rest
of
the
towns
limited
occupancy
to
four
unrelated
persons.
Q
Q
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
it
was
two
issues
I
was
speaking
on
and
I
have
just
several
more
small
paragraphs:
okay,
this
roughly
comparable
group
I'm
including
those
which
allow
two
people
per
bedroom
or
base
occupancy
on
square
footage
only
or
allow
eight
or
more
unrelated
people.
Data
such
as
this
shows
that
basing
occupancy
on
square
footage
bedrooms
versus
having
a
limit
on
the
number
of
unrelated
persons
who
can
live
in
a
unit
is
not
a
best
practice
for
college
towns.
Q
Q
Yes,
it
is
just
that
we
didn't
have
enough
living
space,
so
I
can
tell
you
from
firsthand
experience
that
occupancy
based
upon
bedrooms
and
square
footage
proposed
is
while
it's
workable
for
families.
That
of
a
certain
size
that
have
to
make
do
is
not
adequate
for
the
same
number
of.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me.
F
Thank
you.
I
don't
want
to
keep
repeating
everything
I,
but
I
I
have
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
board
of
the
second
shooter
christ
scientist
in
evanston.
My
name
is
amber
taichik
I
and
my
husband,
our
lifelong
residents
of
evanston
and
we're
graduates
of
evanston
high
school.
I
have
been
attending
the
second
church
of
christ.
Scientists
unheard
for
70
years.
F
I
was
quite
dismayed
that
one
person
could
nominate
a
building
and
force
its
landmark
against
the
wishes
of
property
owner.
I
don't
believe
the
neighborhood
wants
this
once
this.
As
in
the
past,
when
we
were
under
contract
to
sell
the
church
to
the
salvation
army
church,
the
neighbors
stated
that
they
felt
the
best
use.
The
property
was
single
family
dwellings
and
didn't
want
a
large
congregation
coming
back
into
the
building.
F
The
suggested
adaptive
uses
by
the
historical
commission
for
the
building
would
not
be
approved
by
the
city
as
anything
going
to
the
building.
Even
the
church
would
require
special
approval
for
because
of
zoning
in
r1
and
the
interior
space
is
not
adaptable
for
anything
other
than
use
as
an
auditorium.
F
Since
everybody
else
has
probably
said,
I'm
going
to
cut
it
short
there.
Please
vote
against
landmarking
this
church.
Thank
you.
R
R
You
eliminated
a
black
neighborhood
at
that
same
site
without
giving
any
consideration
to
the
current
residents
at
that
time
of
what
the
choice
they
had
to
remain
in
north
everston.
Secondly,
on
the
plan
and
develop
commission,
I
wish
that
some
of
your
concerns
and
some
of
your
plans
would
be
of
assistance
to
small
landlords,
whoever
business.
Why
are
community
block
grants
always
given
to
restaurants?
We
run
businesses
too.
R
We
have
to
hire
electricians,
we
have
to
hire
plumbers,
we
have
to
hire
lawn
keepers,
yet
we
can't
get
rid
of
deadbeat
tenants
who
have
been
on
my
property
now
going
on
for
two
years,
refusing
to
pay
rent
and
there's
no
support
for
people
who
are
living
on
a
pension
and
trying
to
maintain
income
property.
I
wish
you
would
reconsider
your
decisions
about
giving
some
kind
of
relief
to
minority
small
landowners,
and
I
agree
completely
with
mrs
payton
on
opposition
to
p1,
p2,
e3
and
p6.
Thank
you.
T
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that.
I'm
sue
lobach.
I
work
at
connections
for
the
homeless
and
lead
a
group
called
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing.
I'm
going
to
read
a
very
short
statement
from
one
of
our
joining
forces
members.
This
is
hip
circle.
Empowerment,
center,
hip
circle
has
been
working
to
honor
the
inherent
power
and
worth
of
all
women
and
has
been
active
in
the
evanston
community
since
2010.
T
This
includes
the
way
we
define
family
and
where
and
how
we
choose
to
live
as
the
decision
concerning
the
definition
of
family
and
the
three
unrelated
role
comes
before
you,
we
ask
that
you
strike
this
outdated
and
arbitrary
rule
from
our
zoning
code
and
permit
us.
However,
we
choose
to
define
family
to
be
able
to
afford
living
in
evanston
by
safely
sharing
housing,
as
people
have
done
for
millennia.
T
T
The
recovery
from
the
pandemic
is
not
expected
to
be
seen
for
at
least
two
more
years
in
terms
of
housing.
So,
given
this
crisis,
joining
forces
feels
that
the
city
should
be
proactively,
making
it
easier
for
people
to
share
housing
and
to
use
their
properties
in
as
flexible
a
way
as
possible
to
allow
people
to
live
affordably.
T
A
U
And
all
right
start,
my
videos,
sorry
I'm
a
first
ward
resident
on
orington
avenue
and
I
support
the
proposed
moratorium
on
internal
and
attached
non-owner
occupied
adus,
though
residents
who
live
in
the
shadow
of
the
university
have
been
having
a
very
difficult
time,
with
the
growing
number
of
homes
run
by
absentee
landlords
and
occupied
by
large
numbers
of
students
which
have
been
creating
a
major
nuisance
and
a
lot
of
disruption
to
the
families
living
here,
and
we
believe
that
this
measure
is
one
moderate
and
reasonable
step
that,
together
with
additional
zoning
audience,
ordinances
stepped
up
enforcement
and
increased
penalties
on
absentee
landlords
will
help
resolve
this
problem
and
preserve
this
neighborhood
well
into
the
future.
M
I'm
still
here,
I
was
going
to
be
brief.
Simply
you
know
taking
it
on
face
value
looking
at
the
building.
M
This
is
regarding
p7
and
speaking
in
supportive
landmark
status,
which,
if
you
look
just
at
the
building
and
its
history,
that's
what
I
would
do
and
then
my
friend
carla
sutton
chimed
in
about,
and
I
I
knew
there
were
some
areas
of
of
the
of
the
sixth
ward
that
had
been
sadly
impacted
by
decisions
made
years
ago
decades
ago
to
move
people
out
of
the
out
of
the
sixth
ward
to
the
fifth
ward,
not
voluntarily.
M
So
if
there's
a
history
on
this
site
that
should
be
investigated
is
my
point
kind
of
flying
by
the
seat
of
my
pants
here
now,
because
I
didn't
have
time
to
to
research
this
at
all.
But
if
that,
if
carlos
is,
is
accurate
and
knows
that
area,
then
this
the
council
has
an
obligation
to
take
this
in
a
different
direction.
I
think
the
building
as
it
stands
as
a
building
architecturally,
I'm
an
architect.
M
A
Next,
I
I
want
to
move
on
with
the
agenda.
I'm
going
to
change
the
lineup
of
the
agenda
tonight
and
move
p1,
p2
and
p3
back
to
a
later
in
our
discussion
and
start
with
p4,
which
is
ordinance
82021
amending
title
vi
of
the
city
code
concerning
live
work
units.
Would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
introduce
that
item.
B
A
I
so
now
item
p5.
Would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
with
respect
to
this
organ
75021.
V
I'll
move
that
ordinance
75021,
creating
a
provisional
moratorium
on
the
permitting.
No,
yes
on
the
permitting
and
construction
of
new
internal
and
attached
non-owner-occupied
accessory
dwelling
units
in
the
city.
I
moved
that
ordinance.
V
Councilmember
kelly,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
this
is
really
addressing
a
very
small,
tiny
sliver
of
the
adus,
and
this
is
really
just
very
temporary.
I
know
the
word
moratorium
sounds
kind
of
harsh,
it's
just
a
pause.
While
the
subcommittee
of
pnd
really
examines
the
ramifications
and
whether
or
not
owner
occupancy
is
something
that
we're
looking
to
or
not.
V
But
again
this
isn't
it's
just
it's
just
a
pause
so
that
we
can
examine
this
more
fully
to
understand
the
impacts,
those
impacts
that
were
mentioned
by
ms
mchugh
and
others
this
evening.
So
and
we'll
look
forward
to
you
know
the
subcommittee
of
the
pnd,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
formalize
that
this
evening,
but
you
know
we'll
look
forward
to
meeting
with
ditko
and
others
to
partake
in
in
the
decisions
in
a
comprehensive
approach
towards
you,
know,
rental
units
and
and
as
well
as
adus.
E
Can
can
I
just
have
staff
just
for
the
record?
How
long
will
this
moratorium
be
in
place.
A
Does
that
is
that
okay,
council,
member
revell.
W
Well,
I'd
like
to
second
council
member
kelly's
comments.
I
mean
this
is
really
not
about
the
issue
itself
of
owner
occupied
or
non-owner-occupied
adus.
It's
really
just
giving
us
six
months
to
be
able
to
look
at
a
whole
host
of
rental
issues,
and
I
think
our
idea
is
that
the
subcommittee
itself
would
work
for
six
months
and
so
would
time
the
timing
of
the
subcommittee's
work
and
the
moratorium
would
be
coterminous
and
we
would
look
to
report
to
planning
and
development
in
january.
B
I'll
endorse
council
member
kelly
and
councilmember
revell's
comments.
A
Any
others,
so
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
to
create
the
the
moratorium.
But
I
before
we
vote
on
that,
I'd
like
to
just
check
in
with
council
member
kelly
about
the
concept
that
you
discussed
at
the
last
b
d
meeting
of
creating
a
subcommittee
of
pnd
to
and
to
and
you're
just
discussing
it
to
put
this
issue
along
with
several
others
into
it.
For
a
discussion
over
the
next
six
months.
V
Yes,
I
think
that'll
be
is
a
really
important
component.
We've
been
wrestling
with
many
issues
and
you
know,
as
miss
payton
pointed
out,
even
the
licensing
has
its
ramifications
and
negative
impacts
for
our
some
of
our
local
landlords.
So
we
want
to
look
at
all
those
together,
and
so
it's
really
important
that
as
a
group
that
we
convene,
you
know,
members
of
our
of
our
council
members
from
pdf
from
p
d,
along
with
experts
in
the
field
of
affordable
housing.
V
You
know
adu
like
to
co
and
other
experts,
so
I
think
this
is
really
key
that
we're
not
just
piecemealing
our
approach
towards
rental
rentals,
but
rather
looking
at
it
holistically
through
a
subcommittee
of
pnd.
So
I
hope
tonight
we
can
formalize
that.
A
Yes,
all
right,
ms
knighton,
would
you
call
the
role
on
p5.
E
A
A
This
is,
would
someone
like
to
introduce
p6?
I.
E
Move
item
p6
ordinance,
83021
amending
title
six
of
the
city
code
concerning
occupancy
of
dwelling
units
and
definition
of
family.
A
D
E
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
amend
our
ordinance
that
limits
that
creates
a
definition
of
family
not
too
long
ago
and
maybe
in
the
near
future.
Given
my
income
now
was
a
council
member
not
too
long
ago.
You
know
I
had
a.
E
I
was
living
in
the
fifth
ward
and
had
a
four
bedroom
apartment
and
three
roommates
and
having
a
fourth
roommate
would
have
made
that
unit
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
affordable
for
all
of
us,
and
I
can
see
a
situation
in
the
near
future
where
I
may
need
or
want
roommates
again,
and
if
I
have
a
few
roommates,
and
you
know
we
have
two
roommates
and
one
of
us
gets
a
partner
and
the
partner
wants
to
move
in.
E
It
would
be
illegal,
and
I
I
really
don't
think
that
as
a
city
we
should
be
defining
family.
I
think
it's
a
it's
an
issue
that
we
should
leave
up
to
folks
in
our
community.
What
we
do
want
to
ensure
is
that
we
have
safe
places
for
folks
to
live,
that
aren't
we're
not
allowing
hazards
in
our
community
and
the
definition
of
family
does
not
help
us
lessen
hazard
in
our
community.
But
what
does
help
us
do?
E
That
is
codes
that
we
already
have
on
the
books
so
such
as
you
know,
I
have
a
one
bedroom
apartment
now
by
code
already,
there
are
a
certain
number
of
people
that
can
live
within
my
apartment,
based
on
the
square
footage.
Those
are
things
that
we
can
easily
enforce
far
more
easily
than
you
know
determining
whether
or
not
someone
is
related
or
unrelated,
and
so
I
hope
we
can
can
move
forward
and
get
this.
E
V
V
There
are
a
lot
of
ramifications
and
impacts
that
I
think
we
don't
see
when
we
completely
eliminate
any
definition
of
family
and
a
cap,
and
if
I
could
just
read
from
from
a
fair
housing
and
group
home
expert
and
author
of
model,
zoning
for
aba
and
american
planning
association
expert
witness
for
the
department
of
justice,
daniel
lober.
V
As
he
says,
the
instant
the
city
deletes
its
definition
of
family
or
removes
its
cap
on
the
number
of
unrelated
persons
that
constitute
a
family.
That
moment
is
the
moment
that
it
cannot
regulate
community
residences
for
people
with
disabilities.
Okay,
so
this
could
be
harmful
down
the
road
for
residents.
V
It
will
instantly
become
a
violation
of
the
nation's
fair
housing
act
for
the
city
to
require
a
license:
impose
a
spacing
distance
between
community
residences,
establish
a
maximum
number
of
occupants
or
regulate
them
through
zoning.
Transitional
community
residences,
where
people
stay
for
just
a
few
weeks,
would
have
to
be
allowed
everywhere
in
the
city
as
permitted
uses
with
no
zoning
restrictions.
V
The
result
will
be
clustering
and
concentrations,
especially
in
neighborhoods
with
lower
cost
housing.
These
clustering
and
concentrations
will
undermine
the
ability
of
the
community
residences
to
achieve
their
core
goals
of
normalization
and
community
integration
using
non-disabled
neighbors
as
role
models.
Since
the
occupants
of
the
group
homes
will
interact
with
the
occupants
of
very
close
by
group
homes.
It's
a
lose-lose
proposition
for
everybody,
he
said
so
I
would
say,
rather
than
and
I'd
further
like
to
say
rather
than
debate
this
at
length.
I
think
this
should
be
referred
to
the
pnd
sub
subcommittee.
W
Well,
just
in
terms
of
procedure
would,
I
think,
maybe
be
appropriate
for
us
to
table
this
item
to
january
or
with
the
idea
that
it
will
be
one
of
the
issues
that
will
be
addressed
by
the
subcommittee.
Is
that
the
way.
A
W
I'll
hold
off
making
that
motion,
though
in
case,
because
I
council
member
reed,
has
something.
E
Yeah,
you
know
I
just
heard
group
homes
mentioned
and
you
know
my
again:
if
we
want
to
regulate
group
homes,
we
can
regulate
group
homes
with
other
ordinances
again.
The
definition
of
family
is
is
not
intended
and
should
not
be
how
we
regulate
group
homes.
We
can
have
a
licensing
process,
we
can
have
all
kinds
of
other
ways
to
regulate
that
and.
I
E
Fills
a
little,
I
just
don't
think
that's
the
way
that
we
should
be.
We
should
be
regulating
this
group
homes
or
anything,
so
I
would
hope
that
we
do
not
table
this
until
january.
This
is
an
issue
of
affordability
that
many
folks
on
this
council.
You
know
I'm
sure,
have
folks,
maybe
within
your
network
or
circle,
that
this
could
impact,
I'm
hoping
that
we
all
do.
I
can
say
you
know
this-
could
directly
impact
my
ability
to
afford
to
live
in
evanston.
We
should
not
be
defining
again.
E
We
should
not
be
defining
family.
We
have
codes
on
the
books
that
protect.
You
know
us
against
hazard
and
the
the
definition
of
family
is
not
one
of
them,
and
I
hope
that
we
can,
in
this
sooner
than
later,
to
live
up
to
our
goals
of
creating
an
affordable,
livable
and
inclusive
city.
V
So
councilmember
reed,
I'm
afraid
that
you
might
be
mistaken
in
our
ability
to
regulate
and
then
in
fact
we
would
be
discriminating
and
we
could
not
once
we
lift
a
cap
and
a
definition
of
family,
and
I
would
ask
you
to
participate
on
this
committee.
If
you
feel
very
strongly
for
it,
it
would
be
wonderful
to
have
your
participation
and
your
own
history
to
help
us
formulate
the
best
codes
and
ordinance
and
comprehensive
approach
going
forward.
B
I'm
going
to
endorse
the
the
committee
concept
and
I
appreciate
what
council
remember
kelly
has
said
about
reacting
thoughtfully
and
not
politically
and
to
paraphrase
taking
a
holistic
approach
rather
than
a
piecemeal
approach.
So
I
think
that
makes
sense
here.
W
So
I
move
that
we
table
this
item
to
the
second
count.
Second
p
d
meeting
in
january
and
ask
the
p
and
d
subcommittee
to
look
in
to
examine
this
issue
carefully
I'll.
Second,
that.
V
H
E
A
All
right
by
a
vote
of
six
to
one,
the
the
motion
carries
to
table
this
item
until
the
second
pnd
meeting
of
january.
X
Madam
chair,
I
move
item
p7
ordinance
61021
designating
edmonton
landmark
status
for
the
property
located
at
2715
herd
avenue
just
for
introduction.
E
A
S
S
So
a
short
time
ago,
when
the
church
faced
possible
destruction
from
a
proposed
development,
I
just
decided
to
see
if
there
was
any
history
to
the
building
that
might
make
demolition
uncalled
for
now.
It's
really
important
to
note
that
I
didn't
go
into
this
with
any
preconception
of
what
I
would
find
or
with
any
malice
towards
the
church
owners
as
they
have
suggested.
S
I
just
really
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
any
history
to
the
church
and
with
every
turn
of
the
page
at
the
evanston
library
and
history
center.
I
found
more
and
more
that
told
me
even
as
a
layperson
that
there
were
many
things
that
were
very
special
about
this
building
and
when
I
approached
architectural
historians
and
preservationists
who
then
went
out
to
look
at
the
building
for
themselves,
they
agreed
and
then
in
fact,
on
two
occasions
in
this
process.
S
S
S
Landmark
buildings
can
be
maintained
to
say
that
rotted
window
frames
that
the
city
would
just
say.
No,
you
can't
do.
That
is
not
my
experience,
even
in
the
short
couple
of
months.
Listening
to
the
preservation
commission,
if
a
landowner
comes
and
says
we
need
to
do
something,
the
commission
listens,
they
discuss,
they
debate,
they
dialogue
with
the
landowner
and
they
come
to
a
decision.
It's
a
process,
but
the
church
would
certainly
have
to
do
that.
S
This
is
an
important
structure
so,
and
the
church
has
mentioned
numerous
times
that
it's
just
it's
just
mr
neville
who's
got
I'm
weaponizing
the
landmark
status,
and
I
just
I
just
I
don't
even
know
what
to
say
about
that
so
today.
But
you
know
it
ends
nicely
because
today
I'm
gonna
hand
you
the
petition
that
I
went
out
and
I've
got
50
neighbors
that
have
signed
this
petition
in
support
of
landmark
status
and
most
of
the
people
who
signed
this
petition
are
from
the
neighborhood.
S
There
are
some
people
from
other
parts
of
evanston
that
have
also
signed,
but
most
of
these
people
are
neighbors,
and
one
of
the
things
on
this
list
for
me
was
important
was
that
the
property
does
hold
an
important
symbol
of
race
relations
on
it,
and
so,
and
I
realize
that
landmarking
doesn't
necessarily
impact
the
land
but
the
building,
but
in
the
previous
discussion
with
the
child
care
center,
that
gigantic
building
in
its
place
would
have
obliterated
the
issues
that
carlos
was
was
talking
about.
Y
You,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee
bernard
sitter,
in
the
law
firm
of
thompson,
coburn,
you've
already
heard
from
a
number
of
the
congregation
who
are
the
ones
who
are
very
much
directly
affected
by
the
decision
that
will
ultimately
come
out
of
both
this
committee
and
possibly
the
city
council.
So
I'll
try
to
be
keep
my
comments.
Brief
first
has
been
pointed
out
a
number
of
times.
Y
The
windows
would
not
be
allowed
to
be
repaired
in
an
economical
way
and,
as
we
sit
here
today,
despite
the
air
conditioning
system
needing
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
possibly
of
repair,
you
can't
open
the
windows
in
the
building
and
in
every
occurrence
dealing
with
this
city's
historic
preservation.
Commission
windows
are
one
of
the
major
points
you're
not
allowed
to
change
the
windows.
Now
is
that
in
and
of
itself
the
reason
not
to
dispose
bestow
landmark
status.
Y
You've
heard
you
saw
in
my
letter
that
was
sent
to
the
committee,
and
then
you
heard
today
there
is
extreme
need
for
items
on
this,
this
building
to
be
redone.
That
will
only
be
negatively
affected
by
landmark
status.
For
the
reasons
that
I
said,
let's
go
a
step
further.
Y
This
matter
has
been
wending
its
way
through
the
appropriate
process
for
months.
I
believe
it
started
in
may
and
at
no
other
time,
not
one
other
time.
Was
there
one
other
person
from
the
neighborhood
other
than
mr
neville's
there
and
I'm
afraid,
I'm
going
to
point
a
finger
and
say
because
we
challenged
that
over
and
over
again
that
the
care
that
this
neighborhood
really
didn't
have
the
care
for
this
church.
Y
I
think
this
commission
or
this
council
knows
that
it's
kind
of
easy
to
get
a
petition
to
be
signed.
In
fact,
you've
probably
seen
cases
where
people
sign
on
opposite
sides
of
a
petition,
but
up
until
today,
the
only
person
who
made
any
statement
at
a
hearing
who
supported
this
was
one
neighbor
who,
by
the
way,
did
wait
too
long.
Y
He
knew
this
property
was
for
sale
because
he
was
at
the
hearing
at
the
dapper
committee
that
we
mentioned
very
importantly,
that
if
this
church
was
so
important
to
the
architectural
history
of
the
city
of
evanston,
why
did
your
very
own
staff
I.e?
The
experts
not
object
to
the
demolition
of
the
building?
Now
that
particular
project
did
not
go
ahead.
Y
It
prevented
us.
The
the
the
neighbors
reaction
prevented
that
project
that
sale
from
happening,
but
from
this
standpoint
from
where
we
sit
today,
your
own
staff,
your
experts,
in
fact
the
person
who
drafted
the
final
report,
never
mentioned
that
dapper
that
wait
a
minute.
This
project
that
particular
project
may
have
an
issue
because
it
requires
the
demolition
of
an
important
building
and,
despite
what
other
people
have
said,
it
would
have
been
appropriate
should
have
been
appropriate
that
if
this
building
should
have
been
reviewed,
it
would
have
come
up
at
that
time,
but
it
did
not.
Y
It
also
never
came
up
during
the
time
that
was
mentioned
by
another
member
of
the
community
of
when
the
city
put
together
a
list
of
potential
landmarks
and
potential
important
buildings
and
potential
important
churches.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Yes,
I
will
do
so.
The
idea
that
there
are
alternate
uses
for
this
building
other
than
a
large
auditorium
are
just
false,
as
we
pointed
out
in
our
letter
to
the
commission,
some
of
the
uses
by
the
way
included
tearing
down
the
building,
because
one
of
them
that
your
own
staff
put
out
there
was
as
a
cemetery.
Y
So
we
don't
understand,
we
don't
see
any
real
alternatives
to
this
building
other
than
a
large
congregation.
It
can't
be
a
single
family
home
in
and
of
itself.
It's
way
too
large.
It
can't
be
condominiums
because
the
underlying
zoning
doesn't
allow
for
mr
citroen.
I
will
end
right
now
with
that.
We
thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
Y
We
very
strongly
oppose
the
landmark
designation
of
this
property.
Thank
you.
X
Council
member
suffered-
and
I
appreciate
it
so
obviously
this
is
in
my
ward
and
I
would
like
us
to
come
to
a
solution
that
gets
the
church
out
because
they
want
to
leave
and
like
any
property
owner.
That
is
their
right,
but
I
do
need
to
take
exception
to
the
accusation
that
was
just
made,
that
the
neighbors
were
the
one
who
chased
away
the
salvation
army.
It
was
the
salvation
army
withdrew
and
frankly,
it
was
a
result
of
their
own
sloppy
rollout
of
their
plans
for
the
building.
X
That
was
not
a
matter
of
the
neighbors
chasing
away
a
large
congregation.
It's
been
said
to
me
many
times
by
many
of
the
neighbors.
They
would
be
fine
with
a
large
congregation.
Now
we
do
know
that
circumstances
are.
There
are
not
a
lot
of
large
congregations
that
are
looking
to
relocate,
but
I
do
need
to
advocate
for
the
people
in
that
neighborhood
and
say
that
it
was
not
a
result
of
neighborhood
malfeasance
or
opposition
that
caused
the
salvation
army
to
walk
away.
X
X
I
don't
know
as
a
matter
of
policy,
if
that's
the
best
thing
for
the
city,
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
best
thing,
but
I
certainly
have
heard
and
believe
the
members
of
the
congregation
that
say
it's
not
the
best
thing
for
them,
but
I
will
vote
tonight
to
move
this
forward
because
I
do
think
there's
something
that
we
need
to
talk
about
as
a
council,
which
is
what
is
our
role
in
the
city
as
if
we
were
going
to
create
this
landmark.
X
You
know
what
are
we
willing
to
do
to
ensure
that
it
doesn't
become
an
abandoned
property?
I
think
the
concerns
expressed
by
the
members
of
congregation
are
very
real.
The
mention
about
the
cost
of
repairs.
It's
very
real.
I
mentioned
about
you
know
whether
that's
consistent
with
their
mission
as
a
church,
very
real,
but
also
the
research
that
was
done
by
the
applicant,
supported
a
decision
by
the
preservation
commission.
X
So
here
we
are
with
this
tough
situation,
but
I
I
do
think
that
the
the
neighbors
have
gotten
a
bum
rap
that
they're
reflexively
opposed
to
anything
when
there
have
been
two
proposals
that
they
were
opposed
to
largely.
There
are
some
people
who
were
okay
with
both
of
them,
but
they
were
opposed
them
for
legitimate
reasons
having
to
do
with
traffic
or
use
or
hours
of
operation.
X
If
this
is
landmark
there,
there
will
likely
be
more
difficulty
finding
a
buyer.
So
that's
that's
all.
I
know
I
the
situation.
I
know
you're
advocating
on
behalf
of
your
client,
and
my
role
is
to
advocate
on
behalf
of
the
residents
that
I
serve,
and
I
just
I
think
that
it
was
inaccurate
to
say
that
the
neighborhood
would
reject
any
sort
of
congregation
going
in
there,
but
I
acknowledge
that
that
is
an
unlikely
outcome.
So
again,
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
to
move
this
forward.
X
I
hope
it's
a
if
it
does
get
out
that
this
is
a
conversation
we
can
have
at
council,
because
there
are
some
large
public
policy
implications
here.
There
are
other
implications
for
the
city
and
and
since
there
are
so
many
churches-
and
it
seems
like
we
are
probably
moving
in
a
direction
where
a
large
church
buildings
are
going
to
be
absolutely.
This
is
probably
something
that
will
come
up
again
so
with
that.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
B
C
B
I
thank
you.
The
second
question:
has
the
city
council
ever
overruled
a
recommendation
of
the
preservation
commission
when
the
commission
recommended
preservation,
but
the
city
council
overruled.
C
That
has
happened
before
most
recently.
It
was
the
john
august
knight
in
no
relation
to
me
home
on
hinman
about
four
and
a
half
years
ago.
B
They
haven't
convinced
me
that
the
arguments
in
favor
of
preservation
outweigh
the
the
burden
that
would
be
placed
on
the
congregation
who's.
Unwilling
and
unable
to
you
know,
bear
the
cost
that
a
landmark
designation
would
put
on
them.
So
I
will
be
voting
no
on
this
one.
A
Thank
you,
council
member
reed,.
E
I
I
will
echo
what
council
member
new
smith
said.
I
also
will
be
voting
no
on
this.
E
I
I
think
we
sometimes
overuse
the
historic
landmark,
designation
and-
and
I
think
in
some
cases-
and
I'm
not
casting
this
on
to
the
folks
who
brought
forward
this
particular
proposal,
but
I
do
think
that
sometimes
you
know
historic
preservation
is
the
fanciest
nimby
way
to
to
to
be
nimby
to
say
not
in
my
backyard
by
designating
something
as
a
historic
building.
E
You
know
I
have
seen
this
building,
it
looks
slow
and
but
but
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
mark
it
as
a
historic
landmark
or
for
historic
preservation.
I
can
see
this
not
only
impacting.
You
know
great
that
the
church
wants
to
sell
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
burden
them
necessarily,
but
you
know,
my
main
concern
is
that
the
community
is
a
whole.
As
council
member
suffered
and
mentioned,
we
don't
want
to
see
this
building
become
vacant.
We
want
we
would.
E
I
would
personally
love
to
see
you
know
it
used
in
another
manner.
That
is
more
pro.
You
know
financially
productive
for
the
city.
So
I'd
love
to
see
this
building
sold
and
the
either
the
building
used
another
way
or
the
land
used.
Another
way,
I'm
greatly
supportive
of
adaptive
reuse.
So
I'd
really
love
to
see
the
the
building
remain
in
some
fashion
and
be
reused,
but
I'm
going
to
be
voting,
though,
on
this
as
well.
W
I
just
would
like
to
I
really
like
the
way
councilmember
newsma
worded
it,
which
was
you
know.
I
really
appreciate
the
input
from
the
preservation
commission.
W
I
am
definitely
not
an
expert
on
that
and
you
know
obviously
very
thoughtful
analysis
of
the
building
and
I'm
a
huge,
hugely
appreciative
of
larry
perkins
and
all
his
great
work.
But
I
don't
feel
that
the
the
the
landmark
designation
details
outweigh
the
economic
hardship
that
it
would
impose
on
the
church,
and
I
I
just
think
the
expense
for
them
to
continue
to
maintain
the
church
and
the
hopes
that
some
buyer
will
come
along.
Who
has
a
who
can
afford
to
do
some
kind
of
adaptive?
W
A
I
didn't
have
my
thing
on.
I
did
oh
good
right.
Thank
you.
Well,
seeing
no
more
lights,
I
I
will
also
share
my
opinion
and
I
do.
I
am
a
big
supporter
of
our
preservation
ordinance
and
the
work
of
the
preservation
commission.
I
think
actually
it
has
enhanced
evanston
and
the
value
of
evanston.
A
I
don't
live
in
a
landmark
house,
but
I
do
think
in
this
instance
I
you
know.
I
read
all
of
the
materials
and,
unlike
other
instances
when
I've
been
on
the
council,
where
the
argument
to
landmark
a
building
seemed
very
strong.
A
A
We
are
the
city
of
churches
and
we
are
the
city
of
churches,
of
dwindling
memberships
and
we
need
to
prepare
ourselves
for
that,
because
we
we
have
so
many
churches
that
are
struggling
financially
and
they
are
very
expensive
to
maintain
spoken
as
someone
who
is
a
member
of
a
small
church,
roofs
are
incredibly
expensive.
Everything
is
expensive,
so
I
don't
I,
I
really
do
understand
the
burden
that
we're
we
would
be
placing
on
this
congregation
and
as
they
said
that
the
church
is
not
their
mission.
V
U
E
A
The
funding
source
of
this
would
be
seventy
six
thousand
dollars
of
unallocated
funds
from
the
cities.
Nine
hundred
sixty
six
thousand
three
hundred
fourteen
esg
cv
cares
act,
grant
and
the
reallocation
of
forty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
eighty
six
dollars
of
esg
cv
originally
allocated
for
esg
cv
administration.
C
Okay
and
council
member,
when
we
have
a
sarah,
has
a
brief
presentation.
Just
a
couple
slides,
there's
three
items:
they
all
sound
kind
of
the
same,
so
sarah
is
going
to
try
to
explain
what
each
of
these
items
is,
even
though
you
just
moved
the
first
one
just
so
you
understand
the
difference.
A
K
Right
ahead,
thank
you.
This
is
hud
wonkiness,
but
we're
making
a
number
of
changes
that
are
based
on
what's
been
happening
in
the
marketplace
that
are
also,
I
think,
significant
and
important
that
the
committee
members
and
council
are
aware
of
so
we're
going
to
talk
about
ways
to
use
more
our
funds
more
effectively
based
on
changing
market
conditions.
K
We've
had
things
like
the
constantly
changing
moratoria
on
evictions
and
we've
been
hanging
on
to
some
prevention,
homeless
prevention,
money
for
esg,
expecting
it
to
burn
off.
But
at
this
point
we're
going
to
just
say:
hey.
We
need
to
be
able
to
be
flexible,
as
we
are
with
our
normal
esg
allocation
to
use
that
for
whatever
presents
first,
because
we
also
have
to
use
up
that
money
by
about
a
year
from
now.
K
The
other
thing
that
has
really
changed
is
the
need
for
what
types
of
rent
assistance
there's
always
a
need
for
rent
assistance,
but
we've
had
changes
in
the
new
rent
assistance.
I
should
say
coming
out
initially
from
the
consolidated
annual
appropriations
act,
which
was
the
approved
in
december
of
last
year
and
was
the
second
big
source
of
funding.
K
After
the
cares
act,
the
state
and
the
county
both
got
emergency,
rent
assistance
money
and
they
had
far
fewer
restrictions
on
how
to
use
that
and
how
long
you
could
give
supports
and
things
like
that,
so
that
kind
of
made
our
project
or
our
program
less
effective,
short
term.
We
have
additional
needs.
K
Manages
that-
and
it's
been
the
scale
of
cases
and
everybody
being
tracked
during
the
pandemic-
has
been
astronomically
changed
and
the
alliance
needs
help
continuing
to
fund
that
and
our
very
small
businesses
continue
to
have
needs
for
operating
operating
capital.
We
are
seeing.
This
is
an
ongoing
challenge.
So
let's
look
at
p1
first
and
that's
the
reallocating
some
money
that
was
for
well.
K
First,
we
had
a
little
bit
that
we
had
unallocated
76
314
hang
on
to
it
in
case
something
comes
up
that
we
need
right,
there's
our
you
know,
july
of
next
year
deadline.
We
also
want
to
reallocate
almost
50
000
of
the
money
we
had
put
for
administration
of
the
grant.
We
were
really
efficient
in
administrating
in
administering
our
esg
grants,
both
our
cdb,
our
esg
cv
and
our
regular
esg
and
working
with
connections.
So
we
want
to
put
that
into
direct
services.
K
So
one
of
the
things
is,
we
have
42
households
that
were
rapidly
rehoused
out
of
the
shelter
and
are
still
in
rapid
being
in
in
housing
units
and
an
important
part
of
keeping
them
there
and
helping
maintain
their
stability
is
case
management.
So
that's
why
we
are
recommending
taking
a
thousand
dollars
and
putting
it
against
that
need
these
residents
really
need
robust
case
management
through
the
next
year.
K
K
That
was
waived
right
now,
so
this
is
an
expeditious
way
to
use
those
funds
and
preserve
unrestricted
funds
for
things
that
we
can't
use
our
karzai
funding.
For
so
that's
p1
p2
expand
the
rent
assistance
program
to
also
allow
mortgage
assistance
boy.
This
has
been
a
start,
stop
every.
You
know.
We
waited
until
cook
county
and
state
of
illinois
had
finished
their
rent
assistance
programs
last
summer,
which
really
carried
over
into
the
fall
simply
because
we
have
to
all
try
to
honor.
The
stafford
act
requirement
that
we
never.
K
We
don't
have
any
two
payments
for
the
same
thing
and
one
of
the
ways
you
do,
that
is
by
sequencing
your
rent
assistance,
because
you
can
pay
the
same
person's
rent
assistance
as
long
as
it's
not
the
same
months.
You
know,
and
many
people
have
had
more
than
one
need
to
apply
for
that,
but
not
a
whole
lot
of
our
cwg
cv
got
spent
for
that,
although
it
was
very
effectively
spent
in
the
census
tracks.
K
A
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt.
You
miss
flax,
but
with
respect
to
the
issue
that
was
raised
by
mr
sutton
and
ms
payton
about
tenants
who
are
not
paying
their
rent
and
cannot
be
evicted,
is
there
some
way
that
we
can
help
people
apply
for
this
rent
assistance?
I
mean:
do
we
do
that
and
how?
How
can
we
reach
out
into
the
community
to
some
of
these
small
landlords
who
have
have
tenants
who
haven't
been
paying
but
who
would
be
eligible
for
these
programs?
How?
How
can
we
connect
those
two
dots.
K
In
some
cases,
the
dots
don't
connect
because
the
tenants
aren't
paying,
but
they
cannot
show
financial
impact
from
kova
19,
which
is
required
to
get
covet
19
funding.
This
is
a
difficulty
that
we've
been
talking
about.
One
of
the
reasons
we
want
to
try
to
preserve
as
much
of
the
state
prevention
money
as
we
can
for
non-coveted
uses
is
that
is
the
only
source
right
now
that
we
have
that
in
that
is
available
in
evanston,
that's
state
of
illinois
money,
it's
not
federal.
K
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
covid
that
can
be
used
when
somebody
does
not
have
financial
impact,
I've
tried
arguing
that
people
have
impact
of
covet.
We
have
some
people,
who've
made
bad
decisions.
You
know
it's
a
mental
illness
or
some
kind
of
decision-making
challenges
due
to
being
isolated
or
something
won't
fly,
because
in
the
act
it
has
financial
impact
and
that
also
well.
Let
me
just
finish
up
on.
K
To
the
other
grants,
no
it
actually
it's
a
real.
It
is
a
real
problem.
There
aren't
nationwide
an
enormous
number
of
people
who
are
not
paying
due
to
covid,
but
when
you
are
a
small
landlord,
the
impact
on
you
is
huge.
Last
we
got
a
new
hud
interpretation
of
six
months,
which
was
oh
wow.
You
can
roll
all
the
errages
into
that
first
month.
Well,
that's
really
a
game
changer
of
how
much
we
can
help
people
and
that
could
be
very
helpful
in
dealing
with
the
mortgage
assistance
needed
as
well.
K
So
right
now
there
is
limited
the
the
new
emergency
rental
assistance
programs
that
are
coming
out
from
the
recovery
act.
Right
I
mean
the
rescue
act.
Excuse
me
have
not
been
launched,
so
there's
kind
of
the
state
and
the
county
don't
have
their
programs.
Open
connections.
Has
this
state
of
illinois
money
available?
K
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
use
our
money
for
whoever
needs
it
for
rental
assistance
now,
with
this
greater
ability
to
give
people
more
than
that
six
months
or
if
they
need
mortgage.
So
what
we're
asking
right
now
is
just
that
flexibility.
So
it's
almost
like
how
we
handle
esg,
you
know,
is
it
rapid
rehousing
or
is
it
prevention
who
presents
first
and
who
can
who
do
we
need
to
help?
Okay
last
thing
is
the
small
business
grants
we
thought
a
quick
way
to
get
some
money
out
for
businesses
was
to.
K
You
know,
use
basically
the
same
requirements
as
the
cities
program
that
had
just
ended,
and
so
we
use
their
same
levels
and
requirements,
and
one
of
the
things
is:
if
you've
gotten
assistance
before
you
can
qualify
for
only
2
500,
not
the
5
000..
K
You
know
everybody
who
applied
had
gotten
some
form
of
assistance
and
everybody
had
greater
needs
than
2500
short-sightedness
on
our
part.
Won't
do
that.
One
again,
we
are
working
with
paul
zelmazak
to
look
at
longer
term
and
needs
going
forward,
but
short
term,
especially
because
the
small
businesses
that
are
qualified
not
on
being
low,
moderate
income
owners
of
a
business
which
is
a
direct
low,
moderate
income
benefit
who
are
doing
job
creation
because
they
have
additional
paperwork.
They
have
to
show
who
was
hired
and
all
kinds
of
stuff.
K
So
it's
it
starts
getting
into
a
lot
of
compliance
for
not
a
lot
of
money,
so
this
is
a
simple
way
to
at
least
try
to
respect
that
and
being
able
to
in
essence,
double
their
amounts
that
they
will
get
from
2
500
to
5
000.
B
K
K
Who
either
the
owner
ship
has
an
income
below
80
percent
of
the
area
median
which
can
qualify
them
for
it
or
they
are
going
to
be
hiring
positions
that
are
for
low
or
moderate
income
workers?
That's.
A
Funding:
okay,
councilmember
revell.
W
Well,
to
follow
up
on
a
council
member
wynn's
question,
so
there
is
still
some
state
money,
rental
assistance,
money
and
you
don't
have
to
show
that
coveted
financial
connection.
So
could
connections
for
the
homeless
could
could
someone
in
mr
sutton's
position,
for
example,
contact
connections
to
say?
Could
you
work
with
my
tenants
or
I
could?
Is
there
a
way
to
kind
of
connect,
the
doctors?
We
are
working.
K
On
doing
that,
in
some
cases
we
run
into
another
thing.
That
honestly
is
very,
very
difficult.
Sometimes
the
tenants
simply
do
not
cooperate
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
and
that
is
incredibly
hard
to
deal
with
now.
A
caveat
about
the
state
prevention
funds
is
the
maximum
they
give
out
is
six
months,
but
even
so,
if
we
can
help
people
we
will,
but
if
the
tenant
will
not
cooperate
and
provide
information,
we're
stuck
still
I.
K
This
is
one
of
the
problems
everybody
says
to
make
rent
assistance
accessible
and
make
the
process
easy
with
few
requirements,
except
for
xyz
and-
and
it
is
a
nationwide
problem
and
actually
illinois
was
recognized
as
one
of
the
states
that
has
been
among
the
most
effective
in
getting
out
rent
assistance,
which
is
kind
of
scary.
When
you
look
at
how
slowly
rent
assistance
is
getting
out
and
how
close
the
eviction
moratorium
are
to
burning
off,
even
though
they've
been
pushed
out
to
october
3rd
is
what
the
cdc's
now
is.
K
So
we
are
also
working
very
closely
with
the
cook
county
chalad,
as
it's
called
that's
its
acronym,
which
is
the
legal
assistance
which
also
can
help
people
who
have
mortgage
problems.
It's
not
just
rent
and
also
have
tax
issues,
and
so
that
there
isn't
money
that
goes
along
necessarily
with
it
right
now,
but
they're
trying
to
at
least
help
mediate
and
things
like
that.
So
we're
trying
to
connect
all
those
things.
K
We
will
also
be
having
a
landlord
webinar
about
how
to
deal
with
all
this
stuff
and
a
tenant
webinar
and
those
are
going
to
be
the
16th
and
the
18th.
I
think
I
will
get
information.
We
will
be
getting
information
out
to
everybody
on
that.
W
K
Right
yeah
and
we
have
done
actually
one
of
the
things
keep
in
mind.
Connections
has
been
one
of
the
connectors
for
both
the
state
and
the
county,
and
in
some
cases
they
literally
were
one
of
the
places
where
people
could
come
in
and
someone
would
help
them
face
to
face.
So
many
of
these
things
are
being
done
online.
It
is
an
overwhelming
challenge
to
seniors
and
people
who
don't
have
access
to
technology.
It's
like
upload
this
upload
that
do
this
and
right.
You
know
our
our
agencies
have
been
doing
a
phenomenal
job.
Yeah.
Q
E
Q
E
Council
member
so
the
requirements,
one
of
the
things
that
I
appreciate
the
question
earlier,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
a
bit
confused
on
is
that
you
said
if
the
jobs
are
for
who
again
so
what
you
know.
Cdbg.
K
D
K
It
has
to
be
it
isn't
as
low,
but
you
know
these
are
some
of
the
requirements.
What
the
way
job
creation
works
in
the
non-covered
world
is
the
jobs
have
to
be
jobs
that
can
be
filled
by
somebody
with
no
more
than
a
high
school
education
unless
on
the
job
training
is
is
provided.
So
you
know
you
can't
create
some
something
that
requires
a
phd
and
then
say.
K
Oh,
I
qualify
for
cdbg
one
of
the
things
that
hud
has
done,
which
is
a
waiver
of
the
requirements
partly
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
deal
with.
Some
of
the
paperwork
is
to
say:
if
the
person
you
are
hiring
has
an
income
below
80
percent
of
the
area
median,
we
will
count
it
as
an
eligible
eligible
job,
so
there
are
some
flexibilities
that
hud
has
introduced
that
are
making
it
somewhat
easier.
But
realistically
these
programs
are
not
easy
to
comply
with.
So
that's
one
of
the
challenges.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
everyone!
Thank
you!
So
much,
sarah
all
right.
So
I
have
moved
and
it's
been
seconded
the
item
p1.
I
guess
we
should
take
these
one
at
a
time.
C
A
By
a
vote
of
seven
to
one,
p1
is
approved
all
right,
so
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
move
p2,
which
is
approval
to
expand
the
use
of
cwg
cv.
Funding
allocated
for
rent
assistance
to
include
mortgage
assistance.
A
Good,
all
right,
could
you
please
call
the
role
ms
knighton
council.
H
A
All
right
by
a
vote
of
seven
to
zero,
the
motion
passes.
I
think
I
misspoke
for
p1
I
it
should
be
by
a
vote
of
seven
to
zero.
So
item
p3,
the
motion
was
approved.
A
The
vote
of
7-0
this
item
passes
at
what,
as
well
with
that,
I
believe
we
are
adjourned,
but
I
would
like
to
say
before
we
adjourn
thank
you
to
ms
flax
for
wading,
your
way
trying
to
untangle
and
all
of
these
federal
regulations,
state
regulations
and
actually
getting
this
aid
out
to
evanstonians.
A
Yes,
thank
you
to
the
partners
too.
All
right,
we
pnd
is
adjourned
and
the
council
will
start
in.