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C
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F
C
A
All
right,
thank
you.
All
first
item
we
have
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment
this
night.
Would
you
call
tell
us
who's?
First
on
the
public
comment.
A
H
Thank
you
good
evening,
joe
ross
with
the
illinois
association
of
realtors,
I'd
like
to
express
our
significant
concerns.
With
the
conversations
on
rental
license.
Licensing
the
majority
of
the
city's
housing
providers
are
excellent.
What
they
do,
providing
quality
housing,
adding
burden
to
this
group
to
address
bad
actors
just
isn't
appropriate.
H
H
H
Here
in
evanston
providers
must
adhere
to
a
number
of
tenant
screening
requirements.
You
know
human
rights,
fair
housing,
just
housing,
a
number
of
different
requirements
that
are
placed
on
them
when
screening
tenant
applicants.
H
A
You
next
is
miss
payton.
I
Good
evening,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
hi
good
evening
everyone.
So
I
would
like
to
agree
with
the
previous
speaker
and
some
of
his
comments.
I
We've
had
several
years
ago
I
had
a
committee
with
former
alderman
wilson
rainey
city
staff
and
chief
eddington
and
another
police
officer,
and
we
had
a
very
long
meetings
for
almost
a
year
about
the
nuisance
ordinance,
and
I
thought
we
came
to
a
happy
meeting.
I
was
in
attendance
to
every
meeting
and
we
also
had
several
landlords
from
evanston
on
the
committee
as
well
and
to
me
it
seems
like
you
need
to
enforce
the
current
laws
already
on
the
books.
I
This
seems
like
you're,
just
stirring
the
pot
again,
for
what
reason
I
don't
know
we
have
been
talking
about
the
three
unrelated
for
about
40
years,
now,
keep
three
unrelated
in
place.
You
haven't
had
any
conversation
with
landlords,
you're
trying
to
now
charge
more
money
for
a
rental
license
and
aware
landlords
have
not
had
any
help
here,
especially
small
landlords
and
now
you're,
trying
to
add
more
fees.
I
We're
holding
down
tenants
here
in
evanston,
especially
us
with
affordable
units,
and
some
of
us
are
not
getting
paid
rent,
and
here
you
are
trying
to
put
down
more
fees.
D
We
have
a
number
of
people
who
sign
up
for
an
item.
That's
going
to
be
held.
Do
you
want
to
go
through
that
with
them
first
or
continue
on
the
discussion
items.
A
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
take
p1
and
we
should
make
sure
we
let
those
people
know
everyone
who
has
signed
up
for
p1
at
the
request
of
aldermen.
Excuse
me,
council,
member
separating
we
are
going
to
hold
this
and
you
are
welcome
to
provide
your
comments.
But
the
plan
is
to
hold
this
item
tonight
until
the
next
city
council
meeting,
which
is
august
9th.
A
F
A
All
right,
I
I
heard
a
second,
so
I
give
our
rules
say
that
when
an
item
is
moved
is
held
and
seconded
and
it
will
be
not
discussed.
But
of
course
we
can
go
forward
with
public
comment.
A
So
if
if
people
are
signed
up
for
public
comment-
and
they
still
want
to
speak
on
this
item
of
course
you're
welcome
to,
but
we
are
not
going
to
be
discussing
our
in
any
shape
or
or
form
until
august
9th,
so
you're,
of
course
welcome
to
come
back
to
our
next
meeting
and
if
you
do
want
to
speak
tonight,
we'll
we'd
be
happy
to
hear
from
you,
but
you
might
want
to
save
your
time
just.
C
Point
of
information
just
because
I
not
a
big
deal
here,
but
I
just
in
the
future,
don't
want
to
see
it
happen.
The
item
wasn't
before
the
committee
yet,
and
so
you
first
have
to
be
before
the
committee
before
it's
held
just
as
a
procedural
thing.
So
in
the
future,
if
something
comes
up,
that's
less
controversial
than
this
that
it
gets
a
proper
it's
properly
on
the
floor.
And
if
anyone
wanted
to
speak
to
it,
they
could
first
and
then
someone
has
to
be
recognized
in
order
for
it
to
be
held.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
councilmember
reid.
I
recognize
for
pointing
that
out.
I
I
think,
that's
probably
because
I
am
remote
tonight.
So
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out
and
I
agree
with
you
all
right,
miss
leiden.
Could
you
call
the
first
name
of
someone
who
has
signed
up
for
p1?
How
many
folks
had
signed
up.
D
E
Chairman
and
members
of
the
council
know
I
will
defer
all
my
speaking
and
comment
until
the
next
council
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
All.
A
K
K
Okay,
thank
you,
aldermen
glenn.
First,
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
draconian
measures
that
staff
has
come
up
to
address
a
problem
that
has
been
very,
very
difficult
and
a
very,
very
large
concern
for
minority
landlords
such
as
myself,
who
have
income
property
to
try
to
supplement
our
our
pensions
and
social
security.
K
K
The
landlords
get
no
respect
the
tenants
when,
given
the
statement
that
I
wasn't
gonna
renew
the
lease
disconnected
all
the
smoke
detectors
and
then
called
in
the
inspectors
without
contacting
the
landlord
about
making
a
visit,
so
I'm
not
on
in
favor
of
any
changes
that
will
make
more
difficult
for
me
to
be
a
landowner
and
pay
more
money
for
this
service.
K
I
pray
that
in
your
discussion,
that
you
will
send
this
back
to
staff
and
tell
them
either
enforce
the
laws,
equitable
and
without
racial
discrimination,
as
they've
been
doing
in
the
past,
and
maybe
we
could
have
some
ground
to
go
forth
with
these
new
recommendations
and
these
new
fees
for
landlords.
It's
a
none
binder
from
the
beginning.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
ms
stewart
cohen,
would
you
like
to
speak
to
p1,
or
would
you
like
to
wait
until
august
9.
D
A
A
G
D
This
was
in
response
this.
This,
the
ordinance
is
not
going
to
return
to
the
council
until
I
believe
the
second
meeting
in
september,
but
this
was
when
it
was
last
before
the
planning
and
development
committee
meeting
in
may.
With
the
previous
council,
we
agreed
to
provide
an
update
on
progress
to
date,
so
this
is
really
just
an
update
on
our
activities.
Dave
stonebeck
is
in
the
council
chambers
and
I
believe
he
may
have
staff
on
the
zoom
call
as
well.
If
there
are
questions.
A
Okay,
mr
mr
stoneback,
did
you
want
to
tell
us
what
the
progress
is
that
that
you
can
share
with
us
about
what?
What
is
different
about
this
than
how
what
was
brought
to
us
on
may
in
may
10th.
L
Good
evening,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
dave
stoneback
public
works
agency
director,
there
is
no
change
to
the
ordinance
at
all.
The
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
was
just
to
give
you
an
update
and
some
of
the
things
that
staff
are
contemplating,
and
I
would
like
to
have
emily
akullow
public
services
coordinator
come
on
in
and
give
a
brief
summary
of
what
we
propose.
M
Good
evening,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
emily
okalow.
I
am
public
services
coordinator
for
the
public
works
agency
and
the
the
item
that
we
have
tonight
is
a
proposal
to
work
with
council
members
throughout
the
city
to
participate
in
outreach
to
community
members
to
solicit
their
feedback
regarding
developing
a
tree
preservation
ordinance.
That
would
require
a
permit
for
the
removal
of
trees
on
private.
A
B
Yes,
council,
member
nguyen
this
is
council
member
newsma,
I'm
not
sure
if
anyone.
E
B
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
for
the
work
on
this
ordinance
and
I
am
noting,
in
the
the
proposed
outreach
process
that
the
environment
board
is
listed
as
as
a
secondary
step.
B
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
experience
on
the
environment
board,
folks
that
are
certified
as
tree
keepers
and
a
lot
of
expertise
already
exists
on
that
board,
and
I
would
like
to
see
the
environment
board
kind
of
elevated
in
terms
of
the
public
outreach
and
you
know,
made
a
collaborative
partner
or
perhaps
the
primary
outreach
mechanism
for
this
as
this
moves
forward.
B
B
To
make
that
comment
and
then
one
question:
the
memo
specifies
home
owners
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
ordinance
would
apply
to
commercial
properties
as
well.
So
would
it
be
more
proper
to
say
property
owners
rather
than
homeowners.
Just
so
I
understand
it.
L
Yes,
that
is
correct,
okay,
property
owners,
and
we
don't
have
any
issue.
We
will
meet
with
the
environment
board
as
our
first
step
in
public
outreach.
D
Back
too
council
member,
when
alderman
ravel
has
put
her
light
on.
F
L
Yes,
we
we
thought
we
would
begin
more
in
september
and
october
time,
october
november,
realizing
december.
We
won't
get
much,
maybe
have
a
final
citywide
meeting
in
january,
and
then
we
would
hope
to
bring
an
ordinance
based
on
our
citizen
comment
back
to
city
council
in
march.
F
A
Dave
this
is
melissa.
I
see
you
claire
I'll,
call
on
you
in
just
a
sec.
What
did
I
bring
into
the
council
in
march?
Does
that
get
us
far
enough
ahead
of
the
construction
season
so
that
when
people
are
making
plans,
they'll
know
that
this
is
in
place.
L
I
would
think
that
we
would
have
to
make
a
date
by
which,
if,
if
a
permit
has
not
been
submitted
by
a
certain
date
that
that's
then
the
ordinance
applies
to
them.
So
if
somebody
put
in
a
permit
in
january,
you
know,
or
december
january,
to
start
construction
in
the
spring,
then
they
would
be
allowed
to
they
would
be.
They
would
not
be
required
to
adhere
to
the
new
ordinance.
L
A
Now
that
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you.
Next
I
have
council
member
kelly.
N
So
I'm
really
I'm
happy
to
see
staff
working
on
this
and
moving
forward.
I
ask
that
when
this
come
back,
if
you
could
try
to
identify
proposed
explicit
criteria
for
denial
or
approval,
I
see
here
you
mentioned
diameter,
but
it
would
be
nice
if
you
could,
I
think,
have
like
I
said
more
explicit
criteria
as
to
what
would
mean
denial
or
approval
of
removing
a
tree
besides
diameter.
L
D
I
am
seeing
no
I'm
seeing
no
response
from
your
colleagues
that
they'd
like
to
speak
any
further
on
this.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
else
would
you
like
to
speak,
mr
stoneback,
do
you
feel
like
you,
have
some
feedback
from
us.
A
A
This
is
in
response
to
community
concerns
and
a
referral
by
council
members,
kelly
burns
and
revell
regarding
rental
housing
in
evanston
all
right
miss
should
we
have
a
staff
report.
Ms
nighting,
did
you
want
to
give
us
a
brief
staff
overview
of
this
verse
and
then
we'll
start.
D
The
discussion
sure
this
was
in
response
to
a
referral
from
the
aforementioned
council
members
about
how
to
manage
our
housing,
a
rental
housing
stock
in
a
slightly
with
a
cellular
approach.
This
dovetails
with
some
concerns
that
have
been
raised
through
the
plan
commission
in
the
discussion
of
the
occupancy
standard,
the
way
which
we
determine
occupancy,
which
currently
is
three
unrelated
people,
so
measuring
relationships
in
housing
based
on
the
relationships
which
are
very
hard
to
determine,
people
can
say,
they're
related
to
each
other,
and
and
what
does
that
mean?
D
So
we've
been
working
through
a
text
amendment
with
the
plan
commission
for
several
months
now
it's
going
to
come
to
council
in
august
for
for
consideration
for
looking
at
measuring
space
within
a
unit,
a
rental
unit,
to
determine
how
many
people
can
occupy,
because
that's
something
we
can
we
can
measure.
But
during
that
process,
other
issues
have
been
raised
around
rental
housing,
which
is
the
generation
of
this
memo
on
creating
a
licensing
program.
D
Strengthening
our
nuisance
premise,
ordinance
that
maybe
takes
some
focus
a
little
less
on
some
of
the
criminal
activities
that
have
to
be
present
in
order
to
determine
a
property,
a
nuisance,
but
look
at
other
things
that
are
nuisances
generated
by
tenants
that
are
not
behaving
and
conducting
themselves
as
in
a
positive
manner
in
a
neighborhood
that
has
had
pretty
significant
impacts
to
neighbors
surrounding
those
properties
and
then
looking
at
increasing
fees
around
some
of
these
issues
as
well,
because
we
have
learned
anecdotally
that
some
of
these
fees
that
we
assign
to
the
assess
on
the
properties
really
are
are
perceived
by
those
property
owners
as
a
cost
of
doing
business.
D
So
those
are
concerns.
So
all
those
things
we're
looking
for
feedback
we've
been
doing
research
in
other
communities
across
the
country
on
how
these
issues
are
handled,
nothing
that
we're
prepared
to
talk
about
tonight,
but
I
think
we're
really
looking
for
the
interest
and
willingness
of
the
council
on
these
matters
and
then
we'll
take
that
and
and
work
to
do
this.
I
think
one
one
thing
this
was
discussed
and
and
considered
many,
I
think
about
nine,
eight
or
nine
years
ago.
D
As
one
of
the
public
comment
speakers
mentioned,
we
would
certainly
want
to
have
a
robust
engagement
process
where
we
would
meet
with
landlords
and
tenants
and
try
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
solving
a
problem
and
not
just
creating
a
solution
to
a
problem.
We're
not
entirely
sure
we
have.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
member
kelly
did
you.
I
saw
that
you
turned
on
your
your
camera
for
a
moment.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
this?
First,
a.
N
Little
bit
so
I
do
agree
with
mr
sutton
and
miss
payton.
I
do
think
I
would
want
to
be
very
careful
and
to
see
how
creative
we
can
be
in
thinking
outside
of
the
box.
N
As
you
know,
the
council,
member
for
the
first
ward
I
have
witnessed
over
and
over
again
the
issues
that
are
related
to
absentee
landlords
who
live
in
other
towns,
and
I
don't
know,
but
I
have
seen
landlords
the
landlords
in
evanston
for
the
most
part
everything
I've
seen
they're.
Really
we
haven't
seen
the
same
sort
of
issues,
so
I
want
to
be
really
careful
that
we
aren't
doing
anything,
that's
that's
harmful
or
that
puts
yet
additional
burden
on
our
on
our
own
residents
who
rely
on
this
income.
N
So
I
ask
that
we
really
study
that
carefully
and
and-
and
also
I
do
think
we
all
so
so
I
so
I'm
interested
in
this.
But
again
I
ask
that
we
look
at
how
we
can
approach
this
with
a
scalpel
so
that
we
really
address
the
issue
at
hand
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
it.
There
was
one
more
thing,
yeah
so
addressing
it
with
the
scalpel
and
then
also
enforcement.
Absolutely
so
I
do
agree
that
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
how
we're
prioritizing
our
enforcement
efforts.
N
I
think
there's
a
sentiment
that
sometimes
there's
a
lack
of
prioritizing
enforcement,
where
it's
most
needed
in
areas
again
with
landlords
who
don't
live
here,
who
live
far
away,
who
are
violating
occupancy
rates,
and
then
you
know
focusing
on
sometimes
residents
and
landlords
who
are
local,
who
aren't
really
causing
the
very
serious
issues
that
are
eroding
our
neighborhoods.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
collaborating
to
see
how
we
can
really
approach
this
in
a
way
that's
really
tailored
to
our
needs
in
evanston.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
miss
knighton.
Can
you
tell
me
who
else
we
might
have.
F
Okay,
so
I
remember
during
my
tenure
on
the
council
that
there
was
quite
a
discussion
about
about
this
issue,
so
it's
not
quite
as
long
ago
as
nine
or
ten
years,
but
so
I
don't
know
if
sarah
flax,
if
you,
if
you,
could
remind
us
what
the
what
what
happened
with
that,
I
mean
what
were
some
of
the
issues
that
were
raised
at
that
point,
that
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
going
as
we
tackle
it.
J
Again,
good
evening,
council
members,
sarah
flax,
housing
grants
manager-
I
actually
wasn't
involved
in
that
which
is
really
kind
of
okay,
but
but
there
was
a
great
deal
of
work
done
at
the
time.
This
was
about
2012
and
what
I
remember
is
what
ms
payden
talked
about,
which
was
that
aldrin,
rainey
and
wilson
were
the
lead
on
it.
I
remember
one
of
the
skirmer
horns
was
involved.
J
I
don't
remember
what
other
landlords,
but
it
did
result
in
the
work
on
the
ultimately
on
the
nuisance
premises,
but
I
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
of
information.
More
than
that
sorry.
D
Council
member
ravel,
I'm
wondering
if
you're
thinking
of
in
2018
there
was
a
discussion
about
three
unrelated.
I
think
there
were
some
meetings
about
that.
J
There
was
a
major
change
to
the
nuisance
premises.
Ordinance
in
2016.
grant
ferrar
had
done
a
great
deal
of
work
with
the
fair
housing
advocates
and
people
who
are
concerned
about
nuisance
premises.
Ordinances
frequently
are
very
blunt
instruments
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
oftentimes
have
is
just
total
calls
to
service
and
our
nuisance
premises.
Ordinance
excludes
anything
that's
related
with
to
domestic
violence
and
people
with
mental
illness,
or
things
like
that.
That
absolutely
have
to
be,
and
I
think
that
might
be
what
you're
thinking
of.
A
Miss
time,
can
you
tell
me
if
anyone
else
has
their
light
on?
Oh
and
council
member
newsman.
B
D
D
But
certainly,
if
you
our
code,
says
if
you
are
renting
a
unit
in
the
city
of
evanston,
you
have
to
have
it
registered
and
then,
if
somebody
doesn't
not
have
is
not
following
the
code,
when
we
do
that
inspection,
we'll
write
in
a
dose
of
violation
or
indicate
they
have
to
fix
it
and
cure
it
by
a
certain
period
of
time,
and
then
we
reinspect
and
if
they
haven't
cured
it,
then
we
move
to
a
ticket
and
there's
a
process,
but
generally
people
fix
the
the
problem.
That's
there.
D
They
didn't
know
that
something
was
the
case
and
that's
why
we
have
it
so
a
license
is
something
that's
different
in
that
you
could
revoke
it
if
they're,
not
following
the
rules,
and
that
that
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
would
be
looking
for
direction.
If,
if
there
is
code
that
would
back
that
sort
of
program,
then
for
landlords
that
are
not
renting
units
with
tenants
that
are
behaving
properly,
that
they
that
gives
us
the
ability
to
revoke
a
license
to
rent
each
other.
It's
not.
D
Correct
and
the
additional
fee,
as
you
get
closer
to
a
budget
cycle,
would
be
give
us
the
ability
to
think
about
increasing
our
ability
to
enforce
with
more
staff.
That's
that's
not
considered
here
right
now.
That's
not
the
discussion
we're
having,
but
it's.
I
know
there
are
deep
concerns
for
more
enforcement.
D
We
have
a
staff
of
x
number
of
people.
They
can
only
get
to
so
many
units
in
certain
days
and
respond
and
there
that
is
a
fact
and
so
more
staff
means
means
more
greater
ability
to
enforce
and
to
to
visit
units.
D
D
B
B
I
like
the
fact
that
you're
you're
contemplating
some
reduction
in
licensing
fees.
Can
you
tell
me
what
you're
thinking
there
for
for
low
income.
D
I
don't
know
if
we've
thought
that
far
ahead,
I
think
that
we
know
there
are
we
know
of
the
the
properties
in
certain
areas
cdbg
target
areas-
maybe
it's
just
units
that
are
rented
in
cdbg
target
areas-
are,
are
at
a
reduced
rate.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
could
explore
when
we
start
to
do
that
back
at
the
envelope
calculation.
The.
B
Landlord
would
have
to
make
a
commitment
that
would
somehow
be
verifiable
and
enforceable.
D
Right
I
mean
sarah
can
tell
we
have
a
number
of
units
that
might
be
section
8,
voucher
holders
or
other
deeper
clients.
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
programs
that
landlords
identify
as
participating
in
and
those
could
be
immediately
and
then
there's
other
ones
that
sarah
go
ahead.
J
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
One
of
the
things
that
is
very
frustrating
to
our
landlords,
who
accept
voucher
holders
is
that
they
have
to
get
inspected
every
single
time,
and
I
have
talked
a
hug
about
this.
I've
talked
to
lots
of
people
about
it
like
if
they
have
a
clean
inspection
within
six
months
or
a
year,
can't
we
just
go
ahead
and
the
answer
has
been
no,
because
those
are
written
into
each
program's
regulations.
So
when
ms
payton
talks
about,
why
are
we
inspected
so
much?
I've
explained
to
her.
J
We
don't
have
the
authority
to
say
we're
not
going
to
inspect,
because
if
we
or
the
housing
authority
or
whoever
is
putting
those
tenants
in
there
doesn't
do
the
inspection
and
then
they
get
in
trouble
because
they're
not
following
the
regulations,
but
I
think
that
this
is
the
type
of
thing
where
you
know.
If
we
are
doing
the
inspections
and
we
don't
do
all
of
them,
sometimes
the
housing
authority
or
others
have
their
own
inspections.
It
would
be
very
appropriate
for
us
to
try
to
reduce
the
you
know,
costs
and
things
like
that.
B
And
then
one
final
question
about
the
lease
addendum:
what
what
are
you
envisioning
there
is
that
something
that
would
be
a
template
that
you
would
offer
to
landlords
and
that
they
could
modify
or
they
would
be
obligated
to
follow
the
certain
pro
forma.
J
No,
that
wouldn't
be
for
the
landlords
would
attach
it
to
the
lease
whether
it
is
the
city's
model
lease
or
their
own
lease
that
has
to.
But
the
point
is
similar
to
making
a
summary
of
the
landlord
tenant
ordinance,
instead
of
attaching
the
whole
ordinance,
it
makes
it
easier
for
people
to
understand,
so
this
would
be
with
tenants,
they'd
all
be
signing
the
lease
addendum,
and
it
would
be
probably
a
one-page
thing
that
says
these
are
your
behavioral
standards.
J
J
So
and
that's
something
that
there
isn't
anything
with
the
nuisance
premises,
the
least
leases
are
supposed
to
have
our
landlord
tenant
ordinance
attached
to
them,
and,
quite
frankly,
this
is
where
cook
county
is
making
a
summary
of
their
ordinance.
I
think
is
something
that
we
should
do,
because
you
know
it's
kind
of
hard
to
read
through
those
ordinances
and
really
get
to
the
substance
of
them,
and
it's
really
not
fair.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
when
you
know
one
of
your
software.
J
B
J
Part
of
the
lease:
no,
no
it's
it's
simply
stating
the
expectation
of
you
know
behavioral
just
to
make
it
evident
that
we
do
want
certain
standards.
A
All
right
next,
I
have
council
member
burns.
G
C
Council
member
reid,
here
what
the
heck
did
you
do?
Okay,
so
first
I'll
raise
my
first
concern
with
this
policy,
which
you
know
I'm
not
necessarily
against
a
licensing
program.
I
think
that's
fine
in
particular,
if
it's
to
hold
bad
landlords,
accountable
landlords
who
aren't
providing
safe,
healthy
places
for
residents
to
live.
But
my
concern
is
that
with
a
licensing
program,
that's
not
really
tailored.
C
I
think
we're
all
aware
that
racism
is
a
thing,
and
my
concern
is
that
you
know
people
will
be
fearful.
You
know
their
biases
will
sneak
in
and
you'll
think
twice
and
landlords
will
think
even
more
about
renting
to
people
of
color
and
other
folks
because
of
those
biases
that
exist
in
our
society.
So
I'd
really
I
like
the
idea
of
licensing.
C
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
revoking
of
a
license,
or
I'm
generally,
okay
to
the
idea
of
licensing,
but
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
geared
toward
a
landlord
not
keeping
up
there
into
the
bargain
rather
than
tenants.
C
Because
of
that
fear
also,
I
I
did
hear
mention
that
the
you
know
the
the
reductions
in
the
licensing
fee
would
be
in
cdbg
areas,
which
again
another
concern
that
to
me
seems
like
it.
It
enforces
segregation.
The
cdbg
areas
are
already
the.
E
C
That
are
primarily
low
income
and
black
and
by
extension
again
because
of
racism,
black
and
brown.
So
I
would
like
to
see
us
figure
out
a
better
method
or
another
method.
I
know
that's
still
in
the
early
stages
and
that's
not
what
you're
suggesting,
but
just
to
point
that
out
before
we
do
get
anything
drafted
and
then
the
one
thing
that
I
don't
think
it's
mentioned
anywhere.
But
what
would
excite
me
about
this
is
to
collect
more
data.
I'd
love
to
get
data
about.
C
D
Excuse
me:
yes,
it
would.
The
idea
would
be
that
it
would
be
an
annual
license
and
I
think
we
I
see
we're
going.
I
think
we
want
to
collect
more
information
as
well,
particularly
on
some
of
the
property.
C
Yeah,
what
I'd
really
love
to
know
is
the
vacancy
rate,
so
how
long
each
of
the
units
that
you're
registering
has
that
unit
been
vacant?
How
long
during
the
year,
how
many
months
out
of
the
year
was
it
vacant
was
vacant?
I'd
also
like
to
know
how
much
you're
charging
for
the
rent
at
this
property.
So
we
can
again,
we
can't
do
rent
control,
but
I'd
just
love
to
get
metrics
on
how
rent
prices
are
increasing.
So
we
can
just
create
flag
certain
issues.
C
Those
are
that's
my
big
feedback
just
using
this
collect
more
data,
ensuring
that
we're
not
reinforcing
segregation
or
racism,
and
I'm
just
interested
to
see
an
actual
draft
of
this.
D
D
We
have
a
full
range
of
things
that
could
be
could
be
issues
for
properties
that
could
lead
to
a
nuisance
premise
or
if
somebody
is
it,
the
the
focus
here
is
really
creating
safe
units
for
for
people
to
have
inhabit
and
but
also
to
address
the
concerns
that
we've
had
the
other
conversations
about
in
terms
of
the
the
behavior
in
neighborhoods.
That
creates
it
a
challenge
for
everybody
else
to
live
in
the
neighborhood
too.
D
So
I
think
it's
it's
twofold,
but
really
one
of
our
concerns
as
community
developed
as
your
community
development
staff
is
making
sure
that
the
units
are
safe
for
people
to
live
in
first
and
foremost,.
P
Yeah
and-
and
it
should
absolutely,
we
need
to
make
the
program
equitable.
So
let
me
just
that
cast
that
over
everything.
Well
before
I
say
anything,
let's
just
apply
that,
of
course,
we
need
to
sit
down
with
with
you
know,
small
and
mid-sized
landlords
to
figure
this
out
and
work
through
it,
but
I
do
think
revoking
a
license,
obviously,
is
something
that
is
much
more
enforceable
than
what
we
currently
have.
My
issue
is
not
the
mr
suttons
and
miss
tina
peyton's.
P
It's
a
lot
of
it's
landlords
who
own
much
more
property
than
they
do
in
the
ward
and
they're
repeat
offenders
over
and
over
and
over
again,
I'm
filing
I'm
myself
filing
property
standards,
complaint
after
property
standards
complaint
and
I'm
just
one
person,
and
so
I
think
for
those
specifically
for
for
those
bad
actors.
We
need
something
that
is
enforceable
and
and
allows
us
to
take
really
decisive
action
and
provide
relief
for
the
tenants
who
are.
P
I
can't
tell
you
at
least
once
a
week
I
get
somebody
in
my
ward,
who
is
who
is
considering
renting
in
another
location
only
because
there
are
property
standards,
complaints
that
that
aren't
being
addressed
in
a
timely
manner.
I
get
that
once
a
week,
and
so
I
take
this
very
serious.
I
also
take
the
concerns
of
ms
peyton
to
mr
sutton
series,
which
is
why
they
need
to
certainly
continue
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation.
P
P
Those
at
home-
and
then
it's
it
seems
like
with
the
fee
if
the
the
nuisance
premises
fee
that
this
this
new
amendment
or
change
would
be
a
fee
to
the
tenant
and
not
the
owner.
Am
I
reading
that
correctly?
P
D
I
think
that
that
is
a
tool
for
the
landlord,
because
there's
there's
lots
of,
I
mean
there's
lots
of
issues
here.
There's
we
have
landlords
that
are
absentee
that
don't
live
here,
that
own
several
properties
and
they
rent
to
individuals
who
don't
follow
the
rules,
and
so
there's
rules
being
they're,
not
good
neighbors.
They
don't
make
they
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
property,
whether
they're
invited
or
they
live
there.
So
there's
there's
challenges
related
to
landlords
managing
their
tenants.
D
Oh,
I
can't
do
anything
about
the
tenant
doing
x
or
y,
and
so
I
think
these
are
some
suggestions
to
try
to
address
all
the
pieces
of
this
puzzle,
because
I
think
the
one
thing
that
many
of
us
who've
been
here
for
a
while
have
learned
that
you
can't
just
change
one
thing
and
expect
all
the
other
pieces.
We
can
address
the
three
unrelated
slash
issues
of
occupancy,
but
we're
still
going
to
have
many
of
these
other
issues,
because
that
that
alone
won't
solve
them.
D
So
we're
trying
to
think
as
holistically
as
possible
about
this.
So
I
think
any
if
there's
other
things-
and
I
hope
this
list
does
doesn't
feel
limiting,
because
if
there's
other
ideas
that
anybody
here
has-
or
I
think
several
of
your
colleagues
have
suggested-
oh
in
this
community
here-
I
read
about
this
idea-
we're
we're
prepared
to
help
figure
out
if
those
are
things
that
might
work
in
evanston
and
bring
those
forward
to
the
council.
So
you
can
consider
them
so
by
any
by
all
means
suggest
other
things.
P
And
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that
I
guess
this
was
an
example
that
staff
pulled
out
of
boston
and
some
other
ordinances,
but
it
talks
about
a
300,
fine
per
citation,
and
I
just
want
to
make
clear
in
this
with
with
this
particular
option.
I
know
we
we
don't
do
that
here,
but
in
this
option
that
would
be
on
the
tenant.
P
I'm
just
trying
to
get
that
clear
and
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
that
is
because
to
ms
sutton
and
mr
sutton
and
miss
peyton's
point.
This
wouldn't
be
a
new
fee
on
the
owner
and
what
this
option
would
be
on
the
tenant
right.
D
I
think
we're
thinking
that
there's
some
things
that
could
be
on
the
tenant
and
there's
things
that
could
be
on
the
landlord.
I
think
that's
it
just
like.
If
somebody
is
caught
underage
drinking,
that's
not
neces
that
there
is
something
that
happens
to
the
person
who's
breaking
the
law
there
there
are,
if
you
are
breaking
the
law-
and
you
are
renting,
doesn't
just
mean
that
you
can
avoid
being
ticketed
or
or
culpable
for
that.
If
you,
you
are
still
an
individual
and
you
have
to
follow
the
law.
P
And
so
I
I
mentioned
that
because
I
think
that
is
a
good
thing
that
we're
not
adding
another
fee
on
landlords,
but
on
tenants,
and
so
the
only
and
obviously
this
is
early
on,
but
the
only
increase
in
fee.
Currently
it's
it's
somewhere
in
here.
It's
like
twenty
20
that
we're
currently
charging
and
that
will
go.
P
P
D
Going
up
to
30
or
or
something
more,
I
think
we'd
really
want
to
do
some
consideration
of
what
that
fee
structure
would
look
like
this
is.
This
is
barely
back
of
the
envelope
is,
like,
I
think,
to
council
member
reed's
point
about
data.
We
have.
We
have
information
about
what
kind
of
housing
types,
how
many
rental
properties
we
have,
what
types
they
are
do
we
can
get
you
better
numbers
based
on
some
of
that
information
and.
P
I'm
saying
basically
what's
currently
proposed.
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
increase.
It's
not.
It
doesn't
strike
me
as
something
that's
unreasonable
and
if
we
can,
if
it
can
pay
for
an
additional
staff
person,
I
think
that's
huge.
I've
had
some
conversations
with
staff
about
this
and
there
seems
to
be
a
sense
that
that
we
need
additional
staff
in
our
property
standards
department.
So
I
love
that
part
of
it
as
long
as
it's
again
equitable,
and
if
people
can't
pay
it,
you
know
for
hardship
reasons
we
can
help
them
out.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councilmember
kelly.
Did
you
want
to
speak.
N
Don't
see
a
raising
hand
icon
online
on
the
screen.
Thank
you.
Yes,
so,
ms
knight,
so
we
currently
you
can't
revoke
registration.
Is
that
right,
that's
correct,
okay,
and
so
I
think
you
know
we
have
a
really
special
situation
evanston,
given
that
we're
a
university
town
mixed
income-
and
at
least
I
didn't
you
know
direct
me-
I'm
still
new
to
all
this,
but
I
really
think
we
need
a
committee
that
examines
everything
from
you
know:
licensing
to
three
persons
to
the
definition
of
family
that
includes
local
landlords
residents,
staff.
N
N
So
if
you
could
recommend
to
me
how
this
is
where
I'd
like
to
see
us
move
right
now,
rather
than
you
know,
sort
of
patchwork
approach
to
this
actually
sit
down
as
a
committee
and
and
craft
the
plans
and
the
appropriate
approaches
to
address
our
very
special
of
instant
needs.
N
When
I
do
that
here
or
I
mean,
if
I
I
should
make
that
referral
here-
I'm
not
sure
how.
But
I
really
think
we
need
to.
I
really
think
we
need,
at
this
point,
to
establish
a
committee
to
resolve
to
resolve
the
serious
issues
we
do
have
with
absolutely
land
or
lords,
and
you
know
over
occupancy
students
and
nuisance
and
and
as
well
as
protecting
our
local
landlords.
N
So
if
you
could
just
advise
me
as
to
how
to
proceed,
I
do
think
it's
time
that
we
form
a
committee
to
to
develop
a
holistic
approach.
D
Okay,
sorry,
okay,
so
I
believe
in
the
past,
when
items
like
this
that
have
needed
a
little
bit
more
discussion,
some
subcommittees
have
been
created
and
that
I
think
there's
been
sort
of
a
mix
of
that.
It's
been
some
members
of
of
a
committee
or
it
goes
to
council
and
there's
a
discussion
about
how
formal
that
committee
would
look.
So
I
think
it's
up
to
this
group.
We
could
come
back
with
what
the
three
unrelated
is
and
you
could.
D
We
could
make
a
decision
at
the
next
meeting
to
do
that
with
with
that
item
now
joining
the
planning
and
development
committee.
If
you'd
like
to
to
wait-
and
we
could
maybe
flush
some
more
of
the
ideas
and
do
some
research
that
has
just
been
suggested
here-
we
could
bring
another
discussion
item
a
little
bit
more
information
and
then
and
then
you
could
make
that
decision
or
you
could.
N
Yeah,
I
think
we
really
need
to
move
forward
on
it
now.
I
think,
is
it
possible?
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
So
could
we
could?
I
refer
a
subcommittee
of
planning
at
pmd
so
that
we
can.
You
know
I
have
many
active
residents
in
my
ward.
I've
been
very
involved
and
done
a
lot
of
research
as
well
as
like
some
local
landlords.
O
N
On
okay,
so
I'm
making
that
move
and
I'll
I'll
write
that
I
know
we're
not
writing
these
referrals,
but
I
do
think
this
is
very
much
needed.
A
committee
to
and
I'll
write
that
and
forward
that
to
melissa
to
the
chairperson
win
and
the
referral
committee.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
council
member
kelly.
I
I
thank
you,
a
subcommittee's
studying
all
of
this
collection
of
rental
housing
issues
that
we
have.
They
do
interlock
with
each
other.
So
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that.
I
recognize
that
what
the
staff
has
brought
us
tonight
is
one
step
in
that
process
that
we
really
do
need
to
address.
A
Over
the
years
we
have
talked
about
rental
licensing
and-
and
I
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
there
were
concerns
a
lot
of
concerns,
partly
on
how
do
we
make
sure
that
people
sign
up?
So
how
do?
How
do
we
enforce
that
portion
of
it
and,
and
so
and
then
the
empire
councils
had
somewhat
mixed
views
about
it?
A
But
I
think
that,
given
what
we
are
learning
more
and
more
about-
and
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
you
experience
around
the
university
and
certainly
the
issues
that
council
member
burns
raises-
makes
this
more
and
more
urgent
to
figure
out
some
type
of
permanent,
lasting
process
that
make
that
we
know
that
we
are
have
landlords
who
are
providing
safe
housing
and
that
those
landlords
are
the
ones
that
are
are
elevated
and
the
ones
who
are
the
repeat
offenders,
and
I
have
had
those
in
my
ward
as
well
that
we
come
up
with
a
penalty
that
really
works
for
them.
A
Councilmember
reed.
I
see
that
you
had
your
light
on.
C
Yes,
I
was
originally
going
to
say
something
else,
but
I
do
think
we
have
a
committee
if
I'm
not
mistaken
as
to
the
purview
of
this
committee,
the
housing
and
community
development
committee,
which
is
a
newly
created
committee.
I
think
this
might
be
an
appropriate.
C
Reject
that
my
what
I
was
really
going
to
say
is
relating
to
the
licenses
being
revoked.
Just
as
a
note,
I
think,
for
as
we're
drafting
this.
G
C
I
want
to,
as
we
drafted,
I
think
that
the
license
should,
for
example,
if
I
own
a
property-
and
I
get
my
license
revoked,
I
shouldn't
be
able
to
just
create
an
llc
and
then
reapply
for
a
license.
So
I
think
it
should
be
written
that
if
you,
if
you
get
your
license
revoked
anyone
who
is
either
the
owner
or
related
to
that
llc,
whoever
the
owners
are,
would
also
be
anyway.
C
If
they
were
more
than
a
certain
percentage
stake
in
another
llc,
they
would
also
not
be
eligible
for
the
license
just
to
make
sure
that
folks
don't
have
an
easy
work
around
by
creating
an
llc
or
just
dissolving
one
and
creating
a
new
one,
and
then
also
how
would
this
apply
to
property
management
companies?
So
if
you
know
I'm
a
landlord,
I
got
several
buildings
throughout
evanston
and
I
you
know
I
may
live
in
sweden
or
norway
or
something,
but
I
have
a
property
management
company
here,
who's
managing
my
property.
C
For
me,
would
this
apply
to
the
property
management
company?
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
that
as.
D
So
the
rental
licensing
would
apply
to
the
unit,
so
it's
like
the
unit
like
a
vehicle
has
a
license
plate.
The
unit
would
have
a
license
attached
to
it.
So
to
your
point
of
people
creating
different,
you
know,
oh
am
I
I
don't
have
anything
to
do,
though
it's
now
my
partners
or
whatever
like
it,
would
be
the
unit
so
1,
2,
3,
4
main
street
unit.
2C
has
a
license.
You
can't
you
can't
change
that.
Whether
the
ownership
changes
or
not
the
the
license
issue
is
is
to
that
unit,
not
to
the
property
owner.
D
That's
that's
something
we
would
have
to
certainly
put
in
the
car.
I
mean.
The
hope
is
that
I
look
just
like
a
business
that
doesn't
have
a
license.
They
can
apply
for
a
new.
You
know
a
new
business
can
operate
in
that
space.
So
if,
if
4567
main
street
is
a
commercial
space
and
a
new
business
comes
in,
one
is
one
business.
The
next
is
a
different
business.
We
would
still
consider
that
a
new
business.
D
So
if
a
new,
if
a
new
landlord
came
in,
I
will,
I
will
tell
you
our
property
maintenance
staff
knows
the
units,
they
know
the
landlords,
they
know
if
they're
like,
if
you
call
and
ask
them
some
of
you
have
probably
already
had
this
experience,
you
call
and
ask
them
they
can
tell
you.
Oh,
I
was
in
there
for
this
and
this
they.
They
have
a
very
good
memory.
We
keep.
D
We
keep
records
on
all
the
things
in
the
picture
with
pictures
of
units,
so
somebody
trying
to
get
one
passed
is
gets
harder
when
we
have
a
record
of
what's
in
the
unit,
so
we
could
go
in
if
a
new
owner
came
upon
came,
took
governorship
over
it.
There's
property
convict,
there's
real
estate,
transfer
stamps,
there's
there's
a
whole
process.
You
can't
just
say:
oh
I'm,
the
new
owner
there's
a
record
of
somebody
becoming
the
new
owner
and
in
order
to
then
rent
the
property
you
have
to
have
a
license.
You'd
have
to
be
inspected.
D
We
have
to
start
the
process
over
and
so
in
some
ways.
If
a
bad
landlord
who
didn't
have
a
license
sells
the
property,
a
new
new
person
comes
in,
we
get
to
start
over
again
with
that
person
and
for
them
to
license.
We
would
get
that
that
first
crack
of
that
inspection
again,
but
we
have
all
the
record
from
the
bad
landlord
from
the
previous
situation.
C
D
C
Yeah
I
mean
yeah,
and
I
say
that
because
to
me
I
personally
would
like
to
focus
on.
I
mean
yes,
they're
bad
tennesseans,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
you
know
they
can
be
held
criminally
liable
if
they're
out
there
breaking
the
law
or
you
know
whatever,
with
our
reimagining
police
committee.
However,
we
choose
to
solve.
You
know
certain
issues
that
are
not
violent
in
nature,
but
certainly
I
really
want
to
target
bad
landlords.
C
C
D
Necessarily
because,
if
they're
not
if
the
rules
are
being
followed,
if
they
are
maintaining
the
unit
properly
the
other
31
units,
then
that
has
impact
at
31
other
households,
which
means
that
they
might
not
be
able
to
rent.
So
I
think
I'm
hearing
things
that
I'm
making
notes-
and
I
think
these
are
all
good
subcommittee
discussions
and
we
can
certainly
see
how
other
communities
deal
with
it.
But
I'll
tell
you.
D
There
are
landlords
that
do
really
good
with
some
properties,
and
they
don't
do
so
good
with
other
properties
and
it's
the
same
person
and
there's
a
mix
of
various
reasons
why
that
might
be
the
case.
Maybe
tenants,
maybe
other
other
factors,
but
we
wouldn't
want
to
penalize
the
individuals
in
our
community
who
are
following
the
rules.
The
landlords
are
maintaining
those
units,
whatever
whatever's
happening
because
of
one
unit,
and
so
the
focus
is
on
the
unit.
D
A
I
johanna
I
this
is
melissa.
I
I
think
that
councilmember
raises
a
really
a
good
point,
and
also
your
answer
raises
another
point
that
you
know
I've.
I've
always
thought
my
experiences.
A
bad
landlord
is
a
bad
landlord,
no
matter
how
many
buildings
they
own,
but
that's
interesting
that
some
that
others
they
maintain
better
than
than
the
one,
the
ones
that
I
might
get
reports
about
you.
A
This
subcommittee,
which
I
think
should
look
at
this
issue
really
carefully,
because
you
don't
want
to
penalize
and
end
up,
as
you
said,
affecting
people
who
are
living
safely
in
a
unit
that
that
needs
inspection,
but
you
might
want
to
for
the
subcommittee
to
look
at
some
type
of
cumulative
effect
or
a
super
penalty
of
some
sort,
so
that,
if
there
is
the,
if
there
is
a
landlord
who,
as
councilmember
burns
referred
to
is,
is
a
repeat
offender
at
what
point
do
we
stop
playing
whack-a-mole
with
that
landlord
and
decide
you?
A
You
aren't
eligible
to
be
a
to
rent
here
in
evanston,
and
you
know:
that's
something
that
you
get
to
decide.
Do
you
have
a
penalty
like
that?
Or
do
you
just
keep
revoking
until
they
recognize
that
we're
never
going
to
let
them
get
away
with
having
a
substandard
unit
unit?.
A
So
do
you
have
a
good
direction
from
us
on
what
to
where
to
go?
I
think
that
this
is.
This
has
been
a
good
discussion.
D
We
have
good
direction
and
I
think
we'll
move
work
with
that
with
law
on
the
referral
for
the
subcommittee.
C
Of
just
information,
how
I
don't
know
if
this
is
maybe
a
better
question
for
later
during
council
when
council
cummings
is
here,
but
just
to
the
point
that
alderman
or
council
member
kelly
is
making
a
referral
from
this
committee
are
referrals
from
committee.
So
if,
for
example,
we
have
on
the
council
the
herd
thing
the
landmark
status
p1,
I
don't
know
if
that's
on
the
council
agenda,
but
for
and
it
was
held
today
but,
for
example,
are
referrals
that
are
made
from
committees.
C
C
And
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
that
now
is
because,
if
other
referrals
from
other
committee
committees
aren't
going
through
this
referral
committee
process,
I
would
think
that
if
referral
is
made
in
a
committee,
it
also
wouldn't
go
through
that
referral
committee
process.
So
just
looking
for
clarification.
A
All
right,
okay,
so
seeing
joanna
reid,
tells
me
there
are
no
more
lights,
and
that
concludes
our
discussion
items
at
this
point.
So
we
have
completed
our
agenda
and
so
I
said
I
say
for
the
good
of
the
order.
We
will
adjourn
this
meeting
and
the
council
will
start
at
in
10
minutes.
A
I
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
looking
at
two
different
time
zones
right
now
trying
to
figure
out
which
one
I'm
in
okay,
the
council
will
come
to
order
at
6
55..
We
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you.