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B
C
A
D
Good
evening
my
name
is
Nick
peach.
I
resided
14-14
Greenleaf
in
evanston
I'm
here
tonight
as
the
head
of
the
government
affairs
committee
for
the
average
Chamber
of
Commerce
I'm,
hoping
that
you
all
received
our
little
packet
in
your
emails.
We
sent
it
out
late
late
today
or
by
midday.
We
were
running
on
a
rather
tight
schedule
because
of
the
late
information
we
got.
This
was
your
going
to
happen.
We
only
had
like
five
or
six
days
pull
this
all
together,
we
ran
a
survey
of
all
of
our
members.
D
We
sent
a
survey
of
all
our
membership,
which
you
received,
I'm
hoping
copies
of
all
it
and
we
got
over
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
in
a
ten
percent
response
within
24
hours,
which
is
pretty
good.
The
overall
response
was
not
in
favor
of
the
ordinance.
They
were
a
little
nervous
about
things
and
we
we
talked
about
some
of
the
things
in
the
piece
we
sent.
You
first
we'd
like
to
thank
the
plan
and
City
Planning
Commission
of
the
city
for
giving
you
a
chance
to
provide
feedback
on
this.
D
This
is
really
a
importance
to
the
economic
interest
for
our
community.
We
surveyed
it
because
our
our
members
and
we
asked
on
their
level
of
support
that
the
love
of
support
was
four
to
one
against
it.
So
it
was
pretty
adamant
that
the
business
community
was
not
really
in
favor
of
this
on
the
recommendations
they
had
were
we're
interesting.
They
they
had
some
questions
about
what
was
going
on
here.
There
was
a
lot
of
things
that
seemed
awfully
vague
to
the
business
community.
D
D
Needless
to
say,
the
business
community
was
is
in
major
favor
of
letting
the
market
take
care
of
itself,
but
if
their
market
forces
are
such
that
for
beauty,
salons
three
nail
salons,
that
a
barber
shop
all
can
coexist
in
a
couple
of
block
area
must
be
a
need
they're
all
doing.
Okay,
they're,
not
folding,
the
doors
be
different
if
they
were
closing
down
and
we
had
vacant
storefronts
because
of
that,
but
we
don't
seem
to
have
that
the
other
side
of
it
that
concerned
us
was.
D
This
was
all
talking
about
limiting
the
number
of
certain
businesses
in
a
given
area,
but
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
conversation,
or
at
least
mentioned
in
the
paperwork.
We
saw
about
the
other
side
that
okay,
if
we
don't
do
that,
how
do
we
fill
those
spots?
What
kind
of
positive
things
are
we
doing
for
the
business
community
kind
of
positive
things
we're
going
to
fill
those
vacancies?
Obviously
they're
filling
spots
that
are
vacant,
he
start
fights
are
going
to
vacant.
D
Somebody
wants
somebody
looking
to
fill
them
and
what
are
we
tell
the
landlords
who
are
trying
to
fill
these
spots
that
I
know?
Everyone
has
told
us
that
that
getting
a
special
use
permits
piece
of
cake.
Well,
okay,
I'll
buy
that
have
been
around
the
city
and
off
for
a
long
time,
I,
don't
necessarily
think
that's
necessarily
the
case,
but
I'll
take
it
for
what
it's
worth.
The
other
thing
couple
things
we
talked
about:
it's
awfully
vague,
the
term
non-professional
is
used
in
here
and
I
would
really
love
to
see
someone
to
find
non-professional.
D
For
me.
We
have
barbers
that
take
an
eight
hour
test
to
get
licensed
by
the
state,
hair,
salons
beauty
salon
people,
even
the
nail
people
have
to
take
tests
to
get
certified
I,
don't
know
what
more
you
need
to
be
called
a
professional.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
called
professionals
who
can't
begin
to
put
that
on
their
resumes,
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
care
only
tossed
that
term
around
about
being
non
professional
and
non-medical.
I
found
interesting
that
they
mentioned
tattoo.
D
Parlors
I
didn't
think
we
allowed
those
in
the
city
of
Evanston
right
tattoo,
parlors
I,
don't
like
we
allowed
the
right.
Okay,
what
I'm
just
telling
what
was
on
the
eye
test
here
includes
hair
salons,
barbershops
beauty,
tattoo
and
or
body
piercing
so,
and
the
other
question
that
came
up
to
was
and
we'll
just
give
you
a
scenario:
Iona
a
nail
salon
in
the
middle
of
a
block,
two
doors
down
as
a
barbershop.
My
landlord
turns
out
to
be
a
real
horse's,
patoot
and
I
got
to
get
out
he's
killing
me
with
the
rent.
D
I
found
a
shop
directly
across
the
street
am
I
suddenly
finding
myself
in
a
special
use
permit
or
am
I
going
to
be
allowed
to
stay
grandfather
thing
because
I've
been
in
the
neighborhood
15
years.
I
think
there's
just
an
awful
lot
of
questions
here.
This
needs
to
be
looked
at
a
little
more
closely
and
not
just
rushed
into
a
quick
piece
into
into
coming
to
counseling
right
away
into
action.
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
this
and
I
guess
I'm
thought
to
what
we're
doing
here.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
B
C
That
this
is
being
discussed
until
I
accidentally
read
a
plan
commission
minutes,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
in
my
ward
in
the
past
and
I
know,
this
is
probably
an
argument
for
the
market
will
resolve.
This
I
had
three
four
five
anabolic
you
know
and
and
the
problem
isn't
that
there's
too
much
activity
the
problem
is
that
there
isn't
any
activity.
C
You
know
they're
there
you
know.
Maybe
one
will
be
popular,
so
people
will
go
there,
but
otherwise
I
have
found
that
in
the
south
end
of
town
too
many
nail,
salons
and
hair
salons
don't
create
any
traffic
if
they
were
very,
very
busy
I'd
be
thrilled,
but
they're
not
but
I
don't
have
a
proliferation
at
the
moment
other
than
one
owner
has
decided.
C
He
needs
to
nail
stores
next
to
each
other,
but
I
I'm
not
sure
where
this
came
from,
and
I
agree
with
dick
peach
on
this
professional
reference
and
in
that
that's
sort
of
unnecessary
I
think
you
know,
we
know
who
they
means.
Professionals
are
lawyers
and
accountants
and
why
your
salons
or
not,
but
I'm,
just
not
sure
that
that
needs
to
be
stated.
Ok,
one
of
the
problems
that
I
do
have
with
nail:
salons
and
hair
salons
and
I've
talked
to
alderman
homes
about
this,
and
we
have
a
great
disagreement
and
that
is
I.
C
Don't
see
any
reason
why
a
nail
salon
or
hair
salon
or
a
massage
parlor,
which
I
also
have
in
my
ward,
needs
to
be
open
all
night
long,
I,
just
don't
get
that
and
I
don't
care.
If
you
work
three
shifts
you
can
fit
it
in
sometime
during
you
know
early
evening
hours
at
least
I,
because
what
happens
in
many
of
those
is,
they
are
used
for
parties
and
I.
Don't
need
any
more
midnight
parties.
E
You,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
just
want
to
point
out
in
reference
to
the
the
definition
for
personal
service
establishment.
It's
it's
been
revised.
I
believe
there
was
an
earlier
version
that
that
the
speaker
was
referencing,
but
the
the
reference
to
a
be
non
professional
has
been
removed.
Okay,.
E
It's
defined
as
an
establishment
offering
personal
non-medical
services.
Such
uses
include
hair,
salons,
barbershop
beauty,
shops
and
tanning
salons,
so
that
referential
is
omitted
and
also,
if
I
may
just
clarify
too,
there
is
in
your
packet,
a
map
of
the
city,
it's
broken
down
by
by
neighborhood
that
says
so.
The
clusters
of
these
types
of
businesses.
C
Alman
rainy,
well,
one
thing
is,
nothing
is
being
nothing
is
being
denied
here.
I
mean
it's
not
that
they're
illegal
and
in
fact,
if
they're,
not
500,
if
they're
more
than
500
feet,
then
they're
a
permitted,
use,
correct
and
so
I
mean
one
of
the
arguments
I
would
make
in
favor
of
this
is
we
have
many
many
many
special
uses
in
this
town?
You
cannot
have
a
starbucks
without
having
a
special
use
period,
doesn't
matter
if
they're
a
mile
away
from
each
other.
C
If
you
got
a
starbucks,
you're
gonna
have
a
special
use,
any
type
2
restaurant,
no
matter.
If
it's
in
a
fast
food
desert,
it's
going
to
be
a
special
use.
So
being
a
special
use
is
not
is
not
anything
derogatory.
It
simply
regulates
too
many
at
a
time
if
there
aren't
I,
don't
even
know
how
many
there
are
within
500
feet,
but
it
is
not.
It
is
not
a
negative
to
be
a
special
use.
It
simply
provides
a
little
more
oversight
and
if
they're
not
500
feet,
it's
not
a
special
used,
so
I.
F
Excuse
me,
I
just
did
want
to
say
dick.
We
still
don't
permit
tanning
salon
or
tattoo
parlors
in
evanston
I
think
you
might
have
misread
the
statute
because
all
the
Marini
and
I
remember
the
night.
We
made
sure
that
we
never
have
any
of
them,
but
I
can
we
hear
a
little
bit
more
from
the
staff
about
I'm?
Sorry?
Can
we
hear
a
little
bit
more
from
the
staff
about
the
origins
of
this
so
that
we
can
better
understand
it.
G
Certainly,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
good
evening,
this
is
an
issue
that
the
City
Council
raised,
I
think
now
we're
probably
at
maybe
two
and
a
half
or
three
years
ago,
where
a
had
been
I
think
almond
rainy
referred
to
a
little
earlier.
The
item
was
raised
it.
There
was
a
draft
ordinance
that
was
presented
to
the
council.
That
ordinance
was
discussed
by
the
council.
It
was
referred
back
to
planning
staff
planning
staff
did
some
additional
work.
They
had
brought
it
back
to
the
plant
Commission.
G
So
this
is
an
issue
that
has
arisen
from
perhaps
a
problem
that
either,
as
all
the
rainy
has
said,
at
least
the
specific
problem
has
passed,
but
this
is
not
something
that
it
just
came
out
of.
The
blue.
This
is
something
that
the
City
Council
re-referred
back
after
one
other
go
at
regulating
this.
So
you
know
it's
an
interesting
commentary
on
community
standards
and
as
far
as
changing
issues,
I
think
as
the
economy
has
gotten
stronger
and
storefronts
have
changed.
G
A
Your
post
all
right
unanimously,
we
will
not
introduce
this
all
right,
we're
moving
on
now,
all
the
Marini
you,
oh
you
didn't.
Okay,
p
to
our
jizz
ordinance,
60
dash
0
dash
15
amending
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
We
have
many
speakers,
as
we
have
had
many
emails
and
phone
calls
so
I
we
will
listen
to
the
speaker's
first.
A
I
also
have
people
who
did
not
sign
up
for
p2
or
p
1
I.
Think
it's
Wiccan
camp
is
their
last
name
wicking
camp.
You
want
to
speak
on
okay,
so
if
you
want
p
to
and
is
this
Shh
schermerhorn
on,
okay,
p,
2,
okay
and
I
believe,
there's
the
last
name
looks
like
to
be
seen
or.
A
1111
foster
they
be
signed
up
for
RV
parking,
Oh
Jong,
ok,
I'm,
sorry,
but
this
is
not
on
this
agenda
for
the
council,
then
you
can
do
okay,
not
a
problem.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
what
I
start
calling
names?
People
won't
think
that
I've
forgotten
them.
Okay,
we
want
to
start
out
with
mr.
John
barner
who's.
The
first
speaker
followed
by
mr.
barge
and
then
riot
Oh,
Brendan
Sanders,
so
we'll
take
those
three
first
do
have
a
mr.
partner.
I
Good
evening
evening,
here
in
regards
to
the
age
friendly
housing
proposal
or
information
that
has
been
taken
in
regards
to
that
proposal,
and
this
here
in
support
of
their
proposal
and
I,
think
that
the
community
should
be
notified.
If
there's
any
changes
as
it
regards
to
what
has
already
been
visited.
B
J
Name
is
Leticia
barge,
born
and
raised
in
evanston
65
years
ago
my
parents
initially
integrated
neighborhoods
that
were
closed
to
african-americans,
Jews
and
others
other
ethnic
groups.
My
concern
is
inclusionary
housing.
What
is
the
definition?
I
thought
inclusionary
meant,
including
everyone
and
I
need
to
just
need
an
understanding.
J
What
this
means,
because
to
me
inclusionary
housing
should
enhance
the
diversity
of
evanston
and
what
I've
seen
I
worked
here
at
the
city.
Left
Evanston
moved
away,
I'm
retired
now
so
I
came
back
home,
but
I
still
sing
the
same
issues
with
housing
other
than
foster
Court,
which
is
good,
but
it's
still
on
the
west
side.
That's
the
only
new
housing
I've,
really
seen
on
the
west
side
of
Evanston
inclusionary
housing.
The
way
it's
set
up
in
the
ordinance.
J
If
I'm
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
that
there
are
set
aside
units,
but
what
good
is
having
a
set-aside
unit,
if
the
developers
are
willing
to
pay
the
fine
instead
of
include
people
in
those
units
and
then
I'm
constantly
every
time,
I
look
around
there's
another
high-rise
going
up
and
I
know
that
every
one
of
these
units
in
these
high-rises
and
evanston
are
not
occupied.
There
should
not
be
a
housing
issue
in
evanston,
with
all
of
the
building
of
the
high
rises
over
the
years.
I
understand
the
need
for
the
high-rises,
because
we're
land
lock.
J
J
That's
my
personal
opinion,
but
if
we're
going
to
enhance
housing
and
include
people,
we
need
to
hold
the
developers
to
the
line,
don't
come
in
and
say:
oh
yeah,
we're
going
to
build
this
high-rise
and
we're
going
to
include
and
then
instead
of
including
people
there
find,
and
they
would
prefer
to
pay.
The
fine
then
include,
if
you're,
going
to
amend
this
amended
right.
J
Do
the
right
thing
include,
because
what
they're
doing
now
is
definitely
excluding
people
if
I
don't
have
to
pay
the
fine
and
if
I
can
afford
to
pay
the
fine
to
keep
people
out
I'm
going
to
keep
on
doing.
What's
what
I
I'm
going
to
keep
on
doing
it,
we
need
to
hold
them
accountable
and,
if
I'm
wrong
about
what
inclusionary
housing
is
in
evanston
I'm
willing
for
you
to
define
it
for
me,
so
that
I
know
because
people
are
concerned,
they
are
talking
about
it
and
they
want
to
know.
What
are
you?
A
K
Evening,
my
name
is
Brendan
Saunders
I'm,
director
of
advocacy
and
organizing
it
open
communities.
We
are
located
at
614,
lincoln
avenue
in
Winnetka
Illinois,
and
we
have
a
service
area
that
covers
north
suburban
Chicago,
including
evanston.
The
mission
of
open
communities
is
to
educate,
advocate
and
organized
for
Justin
inclusive
communities
in
north
suburban
Chicago.
Open
communities
is
a
small
nonprofit
that
provides
fair
and
affordable
housing,
advocacy
services,
mortgage
counseling,
foreclosure,
counseling,
home,
sharing,
fair
housing
and
practical
advice
to
landlords
and
tenants.
K
Tonight
there
is
an
overwhelming
majority
of
support
for
the
passage
of
the
affordable
housing
amendments
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
Many
residents
came
out
and
chose
not
to
speak,
so
we
would
not
repeat
ourselves
over
and
over,
but
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
the
residents
who
came
out
and
thank
them
I'd
like
to
thank
the
members
of
City
Council
for
taking
the
first
steps
to
address
one
of
the
biggest
issues
in
Evanston,
the
lack
of
affordable
housing,
not
only
here
but
throughout
the
nation.
This
is
a
big
issue.
K
The
most
common
call
that
I
receive
every
day
is
asking
for
affordable
housing.
Can
you
find
me
affordable
housing
where
do
I
find
affordable
housing?
Often
those
calls
come
from
either
residents
of
Evanston
or
employees
who
work
in
Evanston
I
encourage
the
council
to
work
with
staff
and
stakeholders
to
make
this
ordinance
stronger.
It's
a
great
start,
but
there
is
more
to
it
that
can
be
done.
The
proposed
amendments
are
great,
but
what
we
want
to
do
is
a
carrot
and
stick
approach
right
now.
It
arm
can
be
punitive
for
developers.
K
Look
at
the
parking
restrictions
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
specifics
of
that,
but
you
know
ways
of
easing
parking
restrictions
that
can
raise
the
cost
of
housing,
create
tools
specifically
to
create
housing
for
people
with
disabilities.
The
big
issue
here,
in
evidenced
in
and
across
the
nation,
so
make
sure
that
there
are
tools
in
there.
K
For
that
make
sure
there
are
tools
within
the
ordinance
to
create
equity,
equitable
spread
of
the
affordable
housing
units
throughout
Evanston,
so
they
don't
become
concentrated
in
one
area
and
also
tools
that
make
sure
that
transit
oriented
development
is
a
focus
of
this
ordinance.
It's
a
critical
issue.
We
know
that
transit
oriented
development
provides
affordable
housing,
but
it
is
still
out
of
range
for
many
of
the
workers
and
on
residents
of
Evanston.
K
The
proposed
amendment
takes
a
strong
step
and
will
help
make
Evanston
an
even
greater
place
to
live
these
changes
of
help,
bring
jobs
into
the
community,
bring
even
more
diversity
and
help
fill
the
void
that
impacts
the
whole
region.
The
changes
can
also
be
used
as
a
tool
to
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing.
K
This
is
something
that's
coming
on
down
the
line
and
just
keep
that
in
your
mind,
a
broad
group
of
residents
and
employees
in
Evanston,
municipal
workers,
bank
tellers,
preschool
teachers,
social
workers,
service
workers
and
many
other
members
of
the
local
communities
will
be
helped
by
this
ordinance
on
Evanston
has
seen
a
drop
in
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units
from
2002
2014.
Then
this
ordinance
can
help
create
more
of
that.
But
I
ask
you
to
look
at
this
and
make
this
a
model
ordinance
across
the
nation
Evanston
as
a
model
community.
K
We
can
make
this
model
ordinance
and
open
communities
is
offering
here
to
provide
technical
assistance
to
bring
in
collaborators
for
that
technical
assistance
and
help
with
drafting
the
ordinance
and
making
sure
that
it
on
both
creates
affordable
units,
creates
equity
and
is
inclusive
of
all
people.
Thank
you
thank.
A
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Debra
Bullock
I'm,
the
priest
of
st.
Mark's
Episcopal
Church
at
15,
09
ridge
avenue,
and
here
in
Evanston
and
I'm,
also
a
board
member
of
interfaith
action
of
Evanston,
an
organization
made
up
of
more
than
40
faith
communities
acting
and
advocating
in
the
interest
of
our
homeless
and
hungry
neighbors
I'm
here
this
evening
to
speak
in
support
of
the
amendments
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
in
conversations
I've
had
with
colleagues
and
business
leaders
throughout
the
city
of
Evanston.
L
The
greatest
asset
of
this
community
that
has
raised
up
is
our
diversity,
both
racially
and
socioeconomically,
and
with
the
growing
development
trends
focusing
on
luxury
rental
housing
Evanston
stands
to
lose
the
very
asset
we
claim
to
value
most.
Adopting
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
does
not
do
enough,
but
will
do
much
more
than
the
existing
ordinance
to
capture
many
available
housing
units
to
ensure
that
they
are
affordable
and
to
ensure
that
the
rich
diversity
of
the
city
will
continue.
So
I
urge
you
to
take
action
tonight
on
this
important
ordinance.
Thank
you.
H
Good
evening
baby,
my
name
is
Jane
Wiccan
camp
I'm,
an
Evanston
resident
and
senior
citizen
and
I
am
concerned
about
there
being
enough,
affordable
housing
in
Evanston
and
the
role
that
the
revised
inclusionary,
clusion,
Airy
housing
ordinance
can
play
and
making
that
happen.
Over
the
past
couple
of
years
we
have
lost
over
3,000
units
of
affordable
housing
in
Evanston.
Seniors
are
being
priced
out
of
Evanston.
H
The
luxury
apartments
that
have
been
built
are
not
affordable
to
seniors
and
people
on
fixed
incomes.
Where
do
these
people
go?
Most
of
them
go
to
Chicago
or
their
near
west
suburbs.
I
strongly
urge
the
planning
committee
and
the
City
Council
to
pass
the
revised
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
continue
the
fight
for
affordable
housing
in
Evanston.
Thank
you
thank.
A
M
Hello
Howard
handler
with
the
North
Shore
Berenson
Association
of
Realtors.
More
than
500
Realtors
live
in
their
office
here
in
Evanston
economic
professors,
Benjamin,
Powell
and
Edward
string
ham,
state
inclusionary
zoning
should
only
be
enacted
if
the
goal
is
to
make
housing
more
expensive
in
decrease
the
quantity
of
new
housing.
Many
other
economist
echo
that
sentiment.
We
are
here
to
ask
you
not
to
make
Evanston
more
expensive
and
not
to
hinder
its
economic
growth.
M
Affordable
housing
is
a
worthwhile
effort,
but
this
very
narrow
approach
in
this
ordinance
will
adversely
affect
the
community
not
approve
upon
it.
The
ordinance
seeks
to
financially
penalize
those
already
providing
the
city's
most
affordable
housing
multi-unit
developments.
The
question
must
be
asked
why
these
developments
should
bear
the
burden
of
providing
affordable
housing
when
the
rest
of
the
rest
of
the
community
does
not
have
to
contribute
a
dime.
Why
is
someone
there
trying
to
construct
a
modest
five
unit,
rental
building
being
heavily
taxed
while
someone
constructing
a
five-million-dollar
home
pays
nothing?
M
The
effect
will
be
that
some
developers
will
take
their
projects
elsewhere,
while
those
that
make
a
go
for
it
will
attempt
to
pass
these
added
costs
onto
the
market
base
units,
increasing
housing
costs
and
others,
and
even
pricing
some
out
of
the
community
real
estate
provides
housing.
Choice
for
Evanston
residents
is
a
significant
economic
boost.
Every
housing
project
means
more
businesses,
more
business
for
restaurants,
hardware
stores,
furniture
stores,
grocery
stores,
tradesmen,
moving
companies,
attorneys,
CPAs
and
more.
This
is
not
only
healthy
for
Evanston
but
its
necessary.
M
N
Good
evening,
good
evening,
my
name
is
dansker
Mahorn
I'm
asker
morning
company
realtors
in
Evanston
and
I'm
here
to
speak
with
regard
to
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
my
understanding
is
the
amendments.
Amendments
are
to
reduce
the
number
of
units
affected
from
25
to
5
and
to
increase
the
fee
from
forty
thousand
one
hundred
thousand
dollars.
N
29-35
central
street
is
a
10-unit
residential
and
three
unit
commercial
condominium,
2536
mcdaniel,
x6
unit
residential
property
and
2,500
Green
Bay
Road
12
residential
units,
all
built
in
the
last
10
years,
all
suffered
greatly
during
the
economic
downturn,
because
the
disproportionately
high
cost
of
development
on
a
per
unit
basis.
Two
of
these
properties
had
to
revert
to
being
rental
in
order
to
get
finished.
Only
29
35
central
was
sold
out
as
originally
planned
as
condominiums.
N
If
there
had
been
the
burden
of
the
amendments
being
proposed
here,
2500
Green
Bay
Road
would
probably
still
be
an
unfinished
garage
at
grade
level
and
nothing
more
2536.
Mcdaniel
would
Michelle
unfinished
on
the
inside
and
29
35
Central
would
still
have
probably
just
one
residential
resident
and
one
commercial
occupant
to
add
a
hundred
thousand
or
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
building.
Costs
of
any
of
those
developments
would
have
been
catastrophic,
in
addition,
is
very
hard
to
maintain
smaller
multifamily
properties
for
the
same
reason,
there's
very
little
economy
of
scale
and
smaller
buildings.
N
The
monthly
assessments
and
smaller
buildings
tend
to
be
higher
than
on
a
per
unit
or
per-square-foot
basis,
because
the
maintenance
costs
have
a
certain
floor
in
many
respects,
while
an
affordable
purchase
price
may
give
entry
to
buyers
who
might
not
otherwise
be
able
to
afford
such
a
unit.
The
assessments
could
easily
be
out
of
sync
in
proportion
to
the
cost
of
entry.
This
may
have
the
unintended
consequence
of
adding
a
burden
on
that
unit
owner
that
they
would
not
find
if
buying
a
some
early
size
and
price
unit
in
a
larger
property.
N
This
would
mean
that
as
a
percentage
of
income,
the
cost
of
of
monthly
cost
of
owning
the
property
would
be
higher
in
the
small
properties
because
of
the
maintenance
costs
being
spread
over
a
smaller
pool
of
units.
The
reality
is
the
developers
of
small
properties
just
can't
afford
to
include
even
one
unit
at
less
than
market
rate
in
the
past.
N
Thirty
plus
years
of
working
with
the
operation
of
management
of
multifamily
apartment
buildings
and
condominium
properties,
I
can
confirm
that
the
small
buildings,
the
smaller
the
building,
the
heart
of
the
job
of
striking
a
balance
between
cost
of
upkeep
and
improvement
and
maintaining
a
competitive
rent
or
assessment
in
the
marketplace.
When
you
get
over
20
to
25
units,
begin
to
see
economies
of
scale
that
help
with
the
cost
of
repairs
and
maintenance
and
improvements.
N
The
amendments
being
considered
here
will
simply
push
developers
to
pass
over
small
buildings
will
also
keep
smaller
existing
properties
from
being
upgraded
to
the
additional
cost
of
doing
so
in
general.
I
think
we
want
to
encourage
the
upgrade
of
the
available
housing
stock
in
evanston.
These
additional
burdens
will
drive
the
cost
of
conversion
or
development
up
which
will
have
the
effect
of
making
housing
less
affordable
or
at
least
creating
a
larger
gap
between
affordable
and
market
rate
housing.
I,
don't
think,
that's
what's
intended.
N
Evidence
charm
is
made
up
of
the
diversity
of
the
community,
not
only
in
terms
of
its
res,
but
also
in
the
makeup
of
its
housing
stock.
It
would
be
sad
to
see
the
smaller
multifamily
properties,
declining
condition
and
number
because
of
an
increased
financial
burden
of
upgrading
and
proving
or
replacing
those
smaller
properties,
unfortunately,
the
impact
of
the
smaller
properties
with
much
greater
than
on
those
of
larger
counterparts.
If
this
amendment
is
passed
by
the
Planning
development
committee
or
the
City
Council,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You
that's
our
last
speaker
just
want
to
remind
the
committee
that,
with
the
absence
of
Ottoman
kingdom
and
alderman,
Grover
ottoman
tendon
being
on
the
Housing
Commission
on
the
Housing,
Commission,
homeless,
housing
and
homeless,
commission
I
think
it's
important
that
they
be
a
part
of
this
discussion
tonight
that
we
were
to
have
I
I
know
we
had
this
recommendation
before
us.
I
think
almost
a
year
ago
have
to
leave
last.
C
A
C
E
E
E
C
Rentals
or
boat
rentals,
okay,
there
were
comments
made
tonight
that
in
the
last
few
years,
we've
lost
3,000
units
of
affordable
housing.
I
would
like
that
documented,
because
I
need
to
know
that,
if
that's
the
case,
that's
of
concern
to
me,
there
were
references
to
the
fact
that
luxury
buildings
have
been
built
in
conjunction
with
that
statement
and
I
in
my
memory.
C
Just
just
a
confirmation
of
how
we're
determining
that
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units
has
declined
in
the
last
few
years
based
on
and
how
was
how
was
that
accounted
for?
Because,
during
that
time,
that
everybody's
talking
about
there
were
affordable
housing
units
added
to
the
housing
stock
through
nsp
to
I,
know
in
my
ward,
a
hundred
units,
I
think
in
alderman
homes,
another
hundred
units
and
then
emerson
square?
How
many
units
are
there
I'm.
E
B
Thank
you
and
I
I
would
be
interested
in
seeing
or
hearing
about
other
incentives
to
the
different
communities
are
using
to
you
know.
You
know
the
reward
kind
of
concept,
because
what
I
don't
like
about
this
proposal-
and
I
really
really
really
really
don't
like
it-
is
the
idea
that
I
keep
hearing
from
constituents
over
and
over
again,
though,
the
developer
is
going
to
pay
for
this,
the
developers
not
going
to
pull
the
cash
out
of
their
pocket
and
pay
for
it.
B
The
other
people
who
live
in
the
building
are
going
to
actually
pay
for
it.
So
if
you're
moving
into
a
rental
building,
the
other
tenants
are
it's
it's
a
it's
a
focused
tax
as
what
it
is
and
it
focuses
it
on
the
wrong
population.
So
I
don't
think
we
should
be
taxing
tenants
and
condo
owners.
I
think
this.
If
this
truly
is
going
to
be
a
community
program,
it
has
to
be
spread
over
the
community
over
the
community.
F
Thank
you.
My
chair,
I
think
agree.
I
am
agreeing
with
some
of
the
questions
raised
by
alderman
Wilson,
because
I
think
a
concern
that
I
have
that's
been
raised
to
me
is
the
readapted
reuse
of
buildings
that
we
have
in
evanston.
For
instance,
we
have
several
buildings
that
are
warehouse
buildings
or
were
used
for
other
purposes
that
are
now
being
changed
into
housing
and
they
might
be
smaller,
for
instance,
10
units
or
12
units,
and
this
type
of
ordinance
is,
is
too
burdensome
for
that
project.
F
To
add
for
those
types
of
projects
to
actually
work,
if
we
lower
it
to
five
because
they're
not
large
and
the
economies
of
scales,
aren't
there
and
they're
also
taking
a
building
and
changing
the
purpose,
which
is
what
we
want
to
do.
We
want
re
adaptive,
reuse,
so
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
the
things
that
the
incentives,
the
other
things
that
are
in
the
toolbox,
as
we
discussed
way
back
in
two
thousand
seven
from
other
communities
as
well.
F
To
perhaps
increase
density
by
a
small
amount
density
is
not
always
a
popular
in
evanston
and
to
understand
what
are
the
other
possibilities
for
incentives,
possibly
for
smaller
developers,
because
I
think
that
the
one
we
lower
that
number
we
make
it
much
more
difficult
for
these
things
to
happen,
and
we
want
infill
development.
We
want
smaller.
We
don't
want
to
rely
entirely
on
the
very
large
projects,
all
right.
E
A
O
Otherwise,
I
agree
with
all
of
the
comments
that
my
colleagues
have
made.
My
initial
question
was
the
one
that
he
and
Rainie
raised,
and
that
is
where
are
these
three
thousand
units
that
we
have
supposedly
lost
because
I
I
don't
know
where
they
are
so
that
will
be
coming
as
information
from
staff
by
our
next
meeting.
There.
C
What
will
we
do
if
we
pass
this
ordinance
and
no
new
projects
are
built?
Then
we
won't
have
any
new,
affordable
housing.
It
seems
to
me
that
we
would
want
to
pass
something
that
would
make
it
a
bit
attractive
to
provide
some
affordable
housing
and
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
for
excusing
permit
fees.
I'm
just
not
going
to
do
that,
because
that
is
a
very
substantial
part
of
our
general
fund
and
I
want
every
penny.
We
can
get
our
hands
on
for
that
I.
C
A
C
Know
what
I
think
it's
just
as
hard
and
I
think
we
really
have
to
flush.
This
is
such
a
huge
policy
issue.
I
think
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
other
burdens
in
our
community.
For
example,
when
people
go
to
the
movies
they're
entitled
to
some
entertainment,
why
don't
we
have
a
separate
rate
for
people
who
find
movies
unaffordable?
What
about
going
to
the
grocery
store?
I
was
in
the
jewel
the
other
day
and
I
am
Telling
use
Tomatoes,
where
349
a
pound,
that's
just
wrong.
C
I
mean
how
can
a
poor
person
afford
349
appel?
So
the
point
is
the
entire
burden,
so
that
people
will
have
additional
disposable
income
is
being
placed
on
people
who
provide
the
very
housing
that
we're
saying
everybody's
entitled
to
and
they
are
we
people
are
entitled
to
affordable
housing,
but
I'm,
just
not
sure
who
has
to
pay
for
that.
I
had
one
other
question
that
for
staff
before
I
lose
it.
C
What
I
I
don't
know
a
whole
lot
about
financing
and
I've
tried
to
think
this
through
and
I
can't
do
it
on
my
own,
so
I
need
help.
What
is
the
effect
of
securing
financing
for,
let's
say
a
50-unit
building
or
give
me
I'll,
give
you
a
range,
a
unit
of
six,
a
building
of
six
units,
a
building
of
50
units
or
24
units?
What
is
the
effect
these
regulations
would
have
on
financing,
I.
C
Think
they're,
I
think
there
will
be
an
issue
unless,
unless,
as
we've
said,
the
rents
are
going
to
be
jacked
up
so
high
for
the
balance
of
the
tenants
that
you
know
I,
don't
think
a
bank
is
going
to
believe
it
so
I
think
it
there's
going
to
be
an
effective
financing.
So
I'd
like
just
make
it
really
simple.
A
A
E
E
They're
all
buried
in
my
next
meeting.
If,
if
I
may
suggest
it,
we
could
bring
it
to
the
first
June
meeting
that
will
give
us
absolutely.
E
A
That
will
give
us
time
to
do
that,
and
you
know
again
for
those
who
and
I
don't
have
the
statistics,
but
I
do
know.
You
know
you
I
get
calls
all
the
time
of
people
looking
for
affordable
units
and
I'm
so
happy
that
the
lady
spoke
about
the
seniors.
I've
been
talking
about
the
seniors
in
terms
of
we
need
more
senior
housing,
affordable,
senior
housing
in
the
community,
and
we
just
got
to
keep
working
for
that.
A
A
So
we
need
to
look
into
all
of
that,
so
we
will
bring
this
back
to
our
first
meeting
in
June.
Keep
that
on
your
calendars,
those
of
you
who
are
in
support
or
not
in
support,
but
make
sure
that
the
next
time
we
will
discuss
it
and
at
that
time
we'll
have
additional
information
from
our
staff.
That
is
all
of
our
agenda.
Is
there
a
motion
for
adjournment.