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A
Good
evening
this
is
the
regular
meeting
of
the
planning
and
altman
committee
for
jun
8
2015.
All
we
do
have
a
quorum.
May
we
have
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
May
26
meeting
move
approval.
It's
been
moved
in
second.
Are
there
any
addition
deletions,
Corrections,
seeing
none
and
see
no
lights,
all
in
favor
any
opposed
items
for
consideration
tonight
we
will
begin
with
p
1
Alderman.
When
would
you
take
p1.
B
A
A
Right,
okay,
it's
been
moved
and,
second,
all
in
favor,
any
opposed
all
right.
Alderman
fists
up
is
this
P
to
sucrose
on
you
and
three
or
two
okay.
C
Fine,
okay!
Go
ahead.
You
want
me
to
go
ahead:
ok,
its
ordinance,
50
10
15,
the
zoning
ordinance
text,
amendment
for
firearm
ranges.
The
plan,
commission
and
staff
recommend
approval
of
the
zoning
ordinance
tectum
text
amendment
to
create
a
definition
and
land
use.
Regulations
for
firearm
ranges,
and
this
is
for
introduction,
I
move
introduction.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
had
I
would
just
like
to
ask
staff
to
explain
the
rationale
for
having
this
ordinance.
It
was
discussed
in
the
plan
commission,
but
I
think.
Maybe
the
public
is
not
aware
of.
Why
we're
doing
this
sure,
because
I
think
there
are
many
people
who
say
what
Hawaii
or
even
allowing
firing
Rangers
in
evanston
sure
good.
E
F
Thank
you,
I,
don't
want.
I
know
this
is
only
for
introduction,
but
in
the
meantime,
could
you
maybe
check
the
area.
I
noticed
an
area
that
I
think
is
it's
in
pink
and
I
question
whether
it
was
noted
as
it's.
It's
a
park
area
that
is
operated
by
skokie
the
dog
park
and
the
adjacent
area
with
the
the
rowing
teams
put
their
boats
in
and
there's
a
huge
facility
there,
which
looks
to
be
in
the
pink
some.
F
F
F
A
E
The
areas
in
pink
are
so
they
include
areas
outside
of
350
feet
of
an
r1
r2
or
are
three
district.
The
r4
and
r5
districts
are
included
just
because,
if
we
don't
include
them,
then
that
creates
an
all-out
ban
on
this
regulation,
but
I
do
want
to
call
attention
to
the
fact
that
this
is
still
subject
to
a
special
use,
application
its
tells
to
go
through
that
process,
which
is
extensive
as
you
know,
and
so
that's
that's
the
answer
to
that
question.
So
any
pink
highlights
I'm
for
in
your
awards.
G
A
D
D
What
we
have
done
is
we
have
responded
to
your
list
of
questions
from
the
April
27th
meeting
and
thank
you
for
those
questions,
because
it
exposed
us
to
a
lot
of
great
national
and
regional
examples
of
how
communities
are
best
handling
this
issue
of
providing
affordable
housing
within
their
municipality,
so
that
will
be
referenced
in
the
staff
presentation
again.
Thank
you
for
these
questions.
It
really
brought
to
light
a
lot
of
information
for
us
as
we
as
we
continue
to
struggle.
D
H
H
Housing
that's
affordable
to
people
at
a
wide
range
of
incomes,
including
workforce
housing,
improves
Evanston
sustainability
and
supports
our
goal
of
being
a
livable
city
for
all
residents.
A
strengthened
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
can
help
by
providing
much-needed,
affordable
housing,
a
consistent
approach
to
development,
including
a
level
player
for
the
playing
field
for
the
developers
and
transparency
and
understanding
of
goals
and
policies
for
our
community.
In
addition,
new
sources
of
revenue
to
fund
affordable
housing
can
help
share
the
cost
of
maintaining
it
and
inclusive
and
welcoming
community
more
equitably.
H
H
Between
about
two
thousand
and
two
thousand
nine.
We
had
a
lot
of
rental
units
that
converted
to
condo.
In
fact,
there
are
about
600
of
them
in
that
time
period.
Those
were
rental
before
that,
so
that
reduced
our
rental
supply.
We
did
have
new
construction,
we
didn't
lose
units
overall,
we
had
approximately
1800
units
of
new
construction
in
this
time
period,
but
that
was
primarily
luxury
housing
in
the
downtown
area,
so
those
were
gains,
but
they
weren't
gains
in
affordable
units.
H
The
housing
crisis
and
the
foreclosure
crisis
really
also
affected.
Affordable
housing
tighten
credit
requirements
that
followed
that
crisis
resulted
in
fewer
people
qualifying
for
mortgages
which
increased
the
demand
for
rental.
So
it's
kind
of
a
perfect
storm.
You've
got
a
decrease
in
rental,
but
an
increase
in
the
need
for
rental,
which
allows
a
rapid
rise
in
rents
because
the
market
can
command
that
and
at
the
same
time,
incomes
were
stagnating.
H
H
Ideally,
a
household
should
spend
no
more
than
thirty
percent
of
gross
income
on
housing,
which
allows
them
funds
for
other
needs,
transportation,
food
everything
else
currently,
twenty-eight
percent
of
Evanston
renters,
which
is
thirty
four
hundred
and
ten
households
and
ten
percent
of
owners
or
715
households,
are
spending
over
half
of
their
income
on
housing,
so
5125
households.
These
are
people
who
are
already
living
in
our
community.
Our
extremely
housing
cost
burden.
That
thirty
percent
is
the
ideal
there.
Over
50
a
single
incident
could
be
a
medical
emergency,
it
could
be
broken
down.
H
I
Recently
good
good
evening,
I'm
Mary
on
poll
recently
City
Council
has
responded
to
the
need
for
affordable
housing
by
requiring
affordable
units
plus
a
contribution
to
the
affordable
housing
fund
and
recent
planned
developments
here
at
1571,
maple
and
1620
central
street.
A
strengthened
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
combined
with
other
revenues
for
affordable
housing,
builds
on
this
momentum.
I
Evanston
is
not
alone
in
addressing
this
need.
We
found
a
number
of
cities
with
inclusionary
or
affordable
housing
ordinances,
many
of
which
are
being
revised
and
strengthened.
In
March
of
this
year,
Chicago
passed
a
revised
version
of
its
affordable
restriction.
Ordinance
this
place
is
a
stronger
preference
for
units
on
site,
allowing
only
developers
to
buy
out
75%
of
those
with
fees
and
LU
their
fees
in
the
range
from
50,000
to
225,000
dollars
per
unit
depending
on
the
location.
I
Pricing,
affordable
rental
for
households
at
sixty
percent
of
the
area,
median
income
for
25
years,
maintaining
affordable
ownership
units
in
perpetuity
and
raising
the
per
unit
fee
and
LU
from
40,000
to
$100,000
in
zoning
districts,
with
density
restrictions
and
a
75,000
and
all
other
districts.
Multifamily.
I
Responding
to
Alderman's
concerns
at
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
did
not
provide
strong
enough
developer.
Incentives
to
offset
the
requirements
of
providing
affordable
housing
staff
proposes
additional
benefits
when
affordable
units
are
constructed
on
site,
adding
development
bonuses
of
ten
percent
height,
ten
percent
floor
area
ratio
and
twenty
percent
density,
which
is
the
number
of
units
based
on
lot
size.
In
addition
to
existing
maximum
site
development
allowances.
I
Reducing
per
unit
parking
requirements
by
half
to
three
quarters
of
a
space
based
on
unit
sizes
and
developers
can
use
property
standards
code
to
establish
the
minimum
sizes
of
affordable
units
based
on
unit
type.
The
benefits
in
the
current
ordinance
would
still
be
maintained.
Our
expedited
review,
which
is
the
cost
of
time,
waiver
of
building
permit
fees
for
affordable
units
and
payment
deferral
until
the
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy
from
market
rate
units,
as
well
as
the
option
of
making
an
equivalent
alternative
proposal.
I
The
impact
of
those
benefits
are
really
significant
using
this
using
the
recently
completed
356
unit
e
2
development
as
an
example.
If
ten
percent
of
those
units
so
approximately
36,
affordable
units,
the
combined
fee
waiver
and
deferment
would
be
approximately
one
hundred
and
eighty
four
thousand
dollars.
There's
details
in
a
two
of
your
packet,
the
financial
benefits
of
the
additional
affordable
housing
development
bonuses
have
also
been
calculated
in
the
larger
development
example.
The
bonus
would
increase
total
units
from
75
to
114
units
in
ownership.
I
The
return
on
investment
decreases
by
1.3
percentage
points,
then
rental,
that
net
annual
income
decreases
by
only
2.2%
percentage
points
with
a
smaller
development.
The
bonus
would
increase
total
units
from
12
to
20.
In
the
ownership
example,
the
return
on
investment
decreases
by
point
8
percentage
points
and
in
rental,
the
net
annual
income
decreases
by
just
point.
One
percentage
point:
please
note
that
these
are
high-level
examples
using
consistent
assumptions
across
all
the
scenarios,
just
to
illustrate
the
difference
in
the
developer
return.
Only
the
calculations
are
shown
in
detail
in
attachment
a
for.
I
And
finally,
alderman
also
voiced
concern
that
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
places
an
unfair
burden
of
funding,
affordable
housing
and
developers
and,
ultimately,
the
residents
of
those
multi-family
housing
developments.
Cambridge
massachusetts
in
Marin,
County
California
are
addressing
this
with
impact
fees
and
commercial
and
residential
development
that
has
not
suffered
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinances.
Other
communities
use
a
portion
of
business
registration
fees,
document,
recording
fees,
real
estate
transfer,
fee,
real
estate,
transfer,
taxes
and
property
taxes
to
raise
funds
for
affordable
housing.
I
J
L
G
A
Mm-Hmm
all
right,
we
have
a
number
of
speakers
and
I'll
call
you
poor
at
a
time.
Please
take
about
two
minutes,
so
we
can
allow
everyone
to
have
a
chance
to
speak
and
if
the
speaker
before
you
have
said
what
you
wanted
to
say,
we'd
appreciate
if
you
would
yield
that
time.
Okay,
we're
going
to
start
with
Jennifer
O'neil
Brandon,
Sanders,
Rob,
Anthony
and
Steve
Perkins.
M
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jennifer
O'neill
and
I'm.
Here
on
behalf
of
the
League
of
Women
Voters
of
Evanston.
The
league
strongly
supports
inclusionary
zoning
to
expand,
affordable
housing
of
all
types
across
the
city,
considering
the
dramatic
loss
of
affordable
units
over
the
last
10
years,
especially
rental
units.
The
league
urges
serious
consideration
of
the
proposed
amendments.
We
understand
that
inclusionary
zoning
will
not
solve
the
affordable
housing
crisis,
but
it
is
a
valuable
tool
and
a
very
good
start.
M
We
urge
the
committee
and
council
to
also
consider
the
proposed
incentives
to
developers
and
we
encourage
the
involvement
of
stakeholders
in
the
discussion
to
ensure
the
success
of
a
new
ordinance.
This
includes
elected
officials,
staff
citizens
advocates
and
developers.
We
support
rental
units
remaining
affordable
for
at
least
25
years
and
ownership
units
in
perpetuity.
We
also
suggest
that
the
revised
ordinance
require
that
staff
monitor
the
units
to
ensure
they
remain
affordable.
M
Property
owners
and
managers
should
be
required
to
qualify
inclusionary
zoning
residents
by
income
and
submit
annual
reports
in
a
consistent
format,
and
the
city
should
have
the
ability
to
audit
those
records.
The
city
should
consider
dedicating
funds
for
this
purpose,
to
enable
staff
to
collect
and
evaluate
data.
The
new
ordinance
should
be
reviewed
at
least
every
five
years
to
determine
if
it
remains
effective
in
meeting
the
needs
of
Evanston,
the
league
has
been,
as
you
know,
a
strong
advocate
for
affordable
housing
for
many
years.
M
We
support
policies
and
programs
which
increase,
affordable
housing
opportunities
for
persons
with
low
and
moderate
income,
the
development
and
rehabilitation
of
evanston's
housing
stock
for
both
purchase
and
rental.
We
encourage
family
moves
from
high
income
or
high
poverty
neighborhoods
to
lower
poverty
areas,
recognizing
that
such
moves
often
offer
improved
quality
of
life
with
opportunities
for
better
health
jobs
and
safety.
M
We
are
asking
committee
members
to
seriously
consider
the
proposed
amendments
and
we're
with
staff
to
create
a
strong,
effective
ordinance
that
creates
affordable
housing
across
the
city
and
increases
the
number
of
affordable
rental
units
in
Evanston,
and
we
thank
you
very
much
for
addressing
what
we
consider
to
be
a
very
important
issue.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
L
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
Rob
Anthony
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
community
partners
for
horrible
housing
and
I
also
live
at
24
16
lee
street
here
at
Evanston.
I
will
not
repeat
Prior
comments
either
there
are
a
couple
things
that
would
like
to
add.
One
is
that,
as
director
of
community
partners
for
affordable
housing,
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
administer
inclusionary
housing,
the
first
hand,
and
one
thing
that
we've
learned
that
I've
not
heard
discussed
yet
is
when
an
inclusion,
our
final
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
is,
is
approved.
N
It
is
very
important
that,
as
you
implement
that
there
is
a
very
sincere
and
thoughtful
plan
to
educate
developers
about
the
ordinance
itself
and
I
receive
a
lot
of
calls
at
my
office
from
developers
who,
when
they
first
call
me
their
response.
So
they're
there
thought
is
that
each
affordable
unit
is
going
to
cost
me
125
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
because
that's
the
fee
and
LU
amount
in
Highland
Park,
and
so
that's
how
they
often
perceive
the
cost
to
them.
N
And
it's
not
until
we
sit
down
with
them
and
really
go
through
some
of
the
cost,
offsets
and
really
work
with
them.
On
their
performers
that
they
understood,
then
understand
the
real
financial
impact
is
often
very
minimal,
if
at
all,
so
so
when
an
ordinance
is
finalized,
it's
very
important
to
to
make
sure
that's
marketed
and
well
in
that
in
that
developers
are
very
well
educated
on
that.
The
second
point
is
that
there
are
also
a
lot
of
good
national
resources
that
are
being
released
very
soon.
N
There's
a
webinar
at
the
end
of
this
month
that
the
cornerstone
partnership
is
doing
on
inclusionary
housing
they've
also
developed
an
inclusionary
housing
calculator.
If
you
participate
in
the
webinar,
they
will
give
you
access
to
this
calculator
later
on
in
July,
so
that
you
can
actually
try
to
understand
the
financial
impact
that
inclusionary
housing
may
have
been
in
development,
so
there's
some
very
good
resources
out
there.
Thank
you
again.
Thank
you.
O
We
are
justifiably
proud
at
the
progress
that
evidence
is
making
and
becoming
a
more
sustainable
place,
setting
climate
action
goals
and
meeting
them
and
moving
I
think
pretty
rapidly
toward
a
walkable,
more
compact,
livable
city
and
the
rising
cost
of
housing
is
the.
What
are
the
costs
of
that
mean?
If
we
create
a
more
desirable
place,
people
able
to
play
more
willing
to
pay
more,
some
people
are
willing
to
pay
more
I
want
to
raise
another
related
issue
on
affordability,
and
that
is
the
access
to
transit.
O
We've
seen
a
trend
over
the
last
ten
years
that
the
number
of
affordable
housing
near
transit
has
gone
down
so
that
actually,
in
my
mind,
represents
another
tax
of
people
who
have
limited
means
because
they
are
less,
have
less
access
to
affordable
transportation.
So
you
have
a
situation
where
people
who
need
transportation,
the
most
are
being
pushed
away
from
it,
and
people
who
are
getting
to
live
near
transit
will
benefit
from
it,
but
don't
need
it
quite
as
as
much
so
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
the
relationship
between
housing,
affordability
and
transportation.
O
A
P
P
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
been
looking
at
as
we've
looked
at
different
solutions
for
senior
housing
is
in,
particularly
in
my
ward.
We
have
a
lot
of
single-family
homes
that
are
right
on
the
edge
of
foreclosure
or
there's
poor
maintenance,
particularly
as
I
walked
around
my
neighborhood
at
the
end
of
Madison,
plays
there's
about
six
houses
on
that
block
that
we
could
potentially
consider
putting
into
a
land
bank
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
mentioned
in
the
inclusionary
housing.
P
But
it's
not
really
like
flushed
out
so,
as
even
as
Mary
Ellen
was
talking
about
some
of
the
shared
costs,
whether
it's
caused
from
our
support
from
a
land
bank,
but
also
the
in
lieu
of
fees.
We
could
potentially
get
a
cluster
of
housing
that
really
works
for
seniors.
It's
on
ground
level,
they're
small,
near
the
leavey
center.
That
sort
of
thing
so
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
have
us
consider
that,
as
part
of
this
ordinance,
the
single
family,
housing
and
thank
you.
Q
Q
We
have
had
a
chance
to
review
the
agenda
packet,
but
we
would
like
more
time
to
kind
of
to
study
it
to
talk
with
stakeholders
to
better
understand
the
impact
this
proposal
would
have
on
evanston
real
estate.
So
we
do
ask
that
not
to
cement
any
proposals
tonight
but
to
allow
greater
community
discussion
among
stakeholders
on
this
ordinance.
The
one
thing
I
would,
our
association
would
encourage
you
all
to
consider
are
also
more
organic
approaches
to
affordable
housing
as
well
so
I
know
the
mayor.
Mr.
Q
Looking
at
regulatory
barriers,
I
think
evanston
has
a
prohibition
on
low
ground
apartments
impact
fees,
transfer
taxes,
permit
fees,
things
that
are
increasing
the
cost
of
housing
in
evanston,
so
we'd
like
to
put
that
on
the
radar
as
well,
but
in
summer.
We
would
like
to
be
part
of
this,
this
overall
discussion
and
would
like
to
include
more
stakeholders
in
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
R
Good
evening,
Adrian
will
be
with
roopa
place
development
corp,
where
affordable
housing
not
for
profit
based
here
in
Evanston,
and
we're
really
excited
you
guys
are
looking
at
this,
and
especially
with
what
the
staff
brought
back
with
alternative
means
of
funding.
It
I
know
a
lot
of
your
concern
that
the
last
meeting
was
about
it
being
prohibitive
for
developers
and,
on
the
other
side,
being
the
small
developer
as
a
not-for-profit.
Our
struggle
is,
we
have
to
bundle
financing
from
multiple
places,
so
not
just
the
city
but
whether
it
be
Ida
or
community
investment
corp.
R
So
it's
a
much
larger
hurdle
in
a
way
for
us,
whereas
a
large
developer
can
go
to
a
bank
or
two
to
secure
their
financing
for
their
projects
and
they're
able
to
regenerate
some
of
that
funds
back
via
sales
and
secured
rentals.
So
I'm
excited
glad.
You
guys
asked
a
lot
of
great
questions
last
time
and
just
you
know,
please
proceed
forward
with
what
you're
doing
Thanks
thank.
A
S
Hello,
I'm,
Elizabeth
meadows
and
I.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
I'm,
a
member
of
st.
Paul
Lutheran
Church
here
in
evanston,
as
well
as
a
member
of
interfaith
action
of
evanston,
and
just
briefly
I,
just
want
to
reiterate,
in
my
support
for
the
support
of
the
amendments
to
this
ordinance.
S
I,
really
thank
you
for
considering
these
amendments
about
inclusionary
housing
and
just
to
reaffirm
that
I
believe
to
this
is
not
the
solution
to
evanston's,
affordable
housing
crisis,
but
it's
a
big
step
in
the
right
direction,
and
last
I
would
just
like
to
affirm
whether
what
others
have
said
that
I
request
that
the
amendments
include
bonuses
to
foster
development
with
in
evanston
and
that
you
have
meetings
with
stakeholders
and
draft
and
evanston
specific
ordinance.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
You.
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Jane
Wiccan
camp
I'm,
a
resident
of
Evanston
and
a
senior
citizen
on
a
fixed
income.
I
agree
with
what
has
been
said
with
regard
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
and
the
amendments
and
I
also
agree
that,
while
it
may
not
be
the
perfect
solution
to
evanston's,
affordable
housing
crisis,
it
is
a
strong
first
step
and
I
would
urge
the
committee
to
support
it.
Thank
you.
T
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
I'm
mr.
Carlson
I'm,
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
work
that
the
staff
has
done
to
improve
the
2007
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
However,
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
dismayed
and
perplexed
by
the
introductory
statement
from
the
staff
that
quote
since
its
approval
in
2007,
evanston
Cinderella
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
has
not
resulted
in
the
development
of
any
affordable
housing
units
or
contribution
of
fees
and
LU
to
the
affordable
housing
fund.
T
I've
been
hanging
around
this
issue
for
a
number
of
years
and
I'm
sure
that
I
remember
there
were
some
developers
who
pledged
visa
mu,
and
so
that
leaves
me
with
question
about
enforcement.
An
enforcement
concern.
Are
we
not
following
through
with
pledges
that
developers
have
made
I
really
I'm
concerned
about
that
I'm
also
impressed
by
the
options
that
the
staff
has
presented?
T
So
in
effect,
it's
the
city
that
will
have
forgone
funds
to
underwrite
the
cost
of
the
affordable
units,
not
the
other
leases
or
purchasers
in
the
buildings,
and
nor
would
the
developer,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
how
to
reduce,
is
profit
by
a
substantial
amount.
So
I
urge
you
to
move
forward
with
this
revision
expeditiously.
Please
don't
put
it
off
continually
so
that
we
can
have
hope
for
increasing
the
affordable
housing
units
in
town
to
relieve
the
pressure
on
those
of
our
residents
who
no
longer
find
it
possible
to
live
in
our
community.
T
U
Need
you
want
to
wait,
I
glad
no
I,
don't
want
to
wait.
Madam
chair
I
think
that
statement
needs
to
be
corrected.
We
do
have
money
in
our
affordable
housing
fund.
In
fact,
one
of
the
examples
given
earlier
tonight
was
Ito,
who
did
not
qualify
under
our
ordinance
to
make
a
payment
in
lieu
or
to
provide
affordable
housing
did
make
a
two-hundred-thousand-dollar
voluntary
contribution
to
the
affordable
housing
fund.
I
mean
that's
when
I
think
the
mather
also
made
a
contribution
to
the
affordable
housing
fund.
D
U
U
A
J
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
want
to
say
thank
you
to
Mary,
Ellen
pool
and
Tara
flax
for
this
tremendous
amount
of
information
that
they
prepared
for
us.
In
response
to
a
number
of
the
questions
that
we
have
it's,
it
demonstrates
what
a
complex
issue
we
are
facing
here
and
that
many
municipalities
are
facing
in
light
of
what
happened
with
the
loss
of
affordable
housing.
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
something,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
we
do
something
right.
B
We
work
on
this
and
make
sure
that
whatever
we
enact
works
I
you
know
I.
There
were
many
forces
in
effect
over
the
last
ten
years
or
nine
years
that
have
resulted
in
this
loss
of
forty
percent
of
our
affordable
housing.
The
Great
Recession
wage
stagnation,
as
has
been
discussed,
and
those
are
very
large,
complex
issues
that
we
can't
necessarily
solve,
but
we
can
certainly,
as
illegal
women
rotors
said,
start
to
work
on
this
to
the
degree
that
we
can
I.
B
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
the
staff
look
for
that
type
of
meeting
date
for
us
I
think
we
need
to
get
all
of
the
stakeholders
at
the
table
as,
for
instance,
Highland
Park.
My
understanding
is
from
the
materials
that
the
staff
has
provided
us.
They
are
reexamining
there
they're,
affordable
housing
ordinance
with
a
group
of
stakeholders.
B
In
addition,
I
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
all
understand
what
the
development
bonuses
do,
and
perhaps
we
can
discuss
whether
how
they
work
and
if
there
are
other
development
bonuses
that
we
want
to
substitute
or
provide
an
array
of
so
there.
As
you
can
tell
there
are
a
lot
of
good
issues
that
have
been
raised.
B
A
number
of
the
speakers
have
raised
additional
issues,
so
what
I
would
like
pose
to
the
queue
to
the
any
is
that
we
pick
a
date
for
a
workshop
and
that
we
structure
this
so
that
we
can
discuss
a
number
of
these
issues
in
much
greater
detail.
Taking
some
of
the
suggestions
from
the
speakers
that
we
have
and
some
of
our
own
questions
that
at
least
I
have
a
number
of
questions
based
on
the
material
as
well.
Okay,.
A
G
I
wondered
if,
if
the
league,
having
issued
a
policy
position
on
this
means
that
they
couldn't
help
us
with
a
workshop,
I
think
the
league
would
be
really
well
positioned
to
help
us
either
with
facilitate
or
to
organize
a
workshop,
a
really
good
one
and
I
and,
as
you
said,
involve
all
the
stakeholders.
So
thank
you
to
the
league
and
thank
you
for
staff
for
putting
together
such
a
great
preparation
presentation
on
the
important
question.
Ok,
Alleman
fish.
C
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
It's
a
very
complicated
issue.
It's
been
going
on
for
many
many
years.
I
am
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
league
as
much
as
I
love
to
lead
having
them
organized
a
workshop
for
a
sitting
city
council
committee,
so
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
with
that
I
think
we
can
do
it.
I
think
we're
smart
enough
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
I
wanted
to
answer
a
couple
of
questions
or
a
couple
of
comments.
Mr.
C
handler
to
you
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
because
we've
just
had
there's
an
ongoing
development
at
the
old
Kendall
College
site
that
his
19
new
single-family
houses,
most
of
them,
except
one,
all
have
coach
houses
with
dwelling
units
in
them.
So
and
as
my
understanding
is
preservation,
commission,
yeah
city
staff
was
that
these
were
built
as
a
bright.
D
C
D
C
C
That
would
be
wonderful
scale,
down
houses
or
starter
houses
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
make
those
not
only
habitable
but
affordable,
and
that's
something
that
I
would
very
much
like
to
do,
because
that's
a
good
starting
place
for
working
families
that
need
that
assistance
and
also
a
place
for
folks
who
are
coming
out
of
maybe
a
slightly
larger
house
to
step
down
into
and
stay
within
our
community.
So
it's
not
just
the
larger
buildings.
I
am
worried
concerned
about
some
of
the
bonuses.
C
V
You
and
one
of
the
things
I
guess
I'm
interested
in
seeing
more
specific
and
detailed
information
on
is
data
on
where
and
why
housing
that's
affordable
is
being
lost.
So
if
we
can
get
a
better
grip
on
exactly
where
that's
happening,
for
example,
the
new
developments,
a
couple
of
new
ones
that
have
gone
up,
it
hasn't
taken
away
any
housing
the
empty
lot
at
Davis
and
maple.
It's
enough
to
lot
so
that
didn't
take
anything
away,
but
that
developer
did
with
negotiations
with
the
city.
V
That
is
not
very
useful.
A
few
weeks
ago
a
number
of
people
talked
about
Portland,
so
I've
actually
done
a
bit
of
research
on
my
own
to
see
what
the
impact
is
there,
but
they
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
crisis,
but
they
have
a
serious
problem
that
their
ordinance
is
not
addressing
and
that's
really
more
tied
to
the
idea
of
gentrification.
It's
a
have
developments
that
are
taking
away
housing,
that's
affordable,
Chicago.
In
reading
about
the
606
old
train
line.
V
You
know
great
idea:
bike
paths
improve
the
commute,
however,
its
pricing,
a
lot
of
people
out
of
the
neighborhood
and
it's
forcing
people
out
of
the
neighborhood.
So
not
only
the
property
values
going
up.
Some
people
can
make
some
money,
but
that
entire
swath
of
land
is
now
not
affordable,
whereas
it
was
previously
and
that's
the
kind
of
information
I
want
to
see
putting
a
couple
of
units
here
and
there
in
larger
projects.
I
really
do
not
think
will
be
impactful.
V
For
example,
a
developer
could
come
in
to
evanston
and
pick
a
couple
of
blocks
and
tear
down.
They
could
tear
down
40
houses,
okay,
40
single,
have
family
houses
and
pay
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
teardown
fees.
Okay,
that's
40
properties
that
would
be
lost,
and
that
contribution
is
is
the
same
as
what
you
know.
One
high-rise
developers
already
put
in.
So
it's
a
good
start
and
it's
an
important
conversation,
but
I
don't
feel
that
this
is
is
impactful.
V
That
would
be
great
people
could
come
down
instant,
buy
home
and
and
not
have
to.
You
know,
necessarily,
you
know
worry
about
all
of
these
calculations.
When
you
talk
about
the
bonuses
that
will
be
impactful
on
the
neighbors.
One
of
the
things
that
I
talked
about
last
time
was
who
pays?
Okay,
so
cash
out
a
pocket?
Maybe
this
won't
have
as
much
of
an
impact
on
the
actual
neighbors
in
the
building.
But
it's
still,
you
know
the
four
walls.
V
If
we
eliminate
the
parking
requirements,
if
we
allow
them
to
build
a
couple
of
additional
stories,
if
we
allow
them
to
fill
up
the
footprint
that
is
impactful
on
the
neighbors
to
that
one
particular
piece
of
property
and
to
me
that's
not
a
community-based
program,
that's
a
that's
a
targeted
tax
on
a
very
finite
number
of
people
and
really
the
people
in
that
building.
If
it's
a
rental
building
rental
properties
are
generally
by
definition
its
it's.
V
The
idea
is
to
have
more
affordable
property
right,
the
property
on
a
central
street
that
we
recently
approved,
they've
committed
who
I
think
to
affordable
units.
But
when
you
do
the
math
on
that,
it's
really
tens
of
dollars
a
month
discount.
That's
not
really
that
impactful
as
far
as
helping
people.
So
I
wanted.
I
want
to
do
a
lot
better
than
that,
but.
V
Right
but
I
mean
you
know
we
can.
We
can
sit
here.
We
can
say.
Oh,
this
is
great.
We've
created
to
affordable
units,
but
the
definition
of
affordable
in
that
context
is
not
very
impactful.
I
want
I
want
to
create
a
real
and
realistic
impact,
and-
and
to
you
know
your
point:
if
we
include
more
members
of
the
community
and
not
just
not,
you
can't
just
talk
to
developers,
developers
are
going
to
come
in
and
they're
going
to
try
to
keep
their
baseline.
Okay.
What's
my
baseline?
What's
my
profit
margin?
V
V
A
G
Thank
You,
alderman,
Wilson
I,
think
almost
a
more
important
question.
Then,
where
are
we
losing
affordable
housing
is
where
do
we
want
the
affordable
housing
and
we
may
be
losing
it
in
parts
of
Evanston,
but
the
question
of
where
we
want
it,
which
I
hope
means
everywhere
in
evanston,
is
the
larger
question.
That's
the
harder
problem
to
solve
is
how
do
we
get
affordable
units,
rental
or
ownership
units
all
over
Evanston
and,
as
mr.
Perkins
said,
I
think,
especially
near
transit
Orion
development
because
of
the
transportation
benefit
to
our
middle
income,
families.
F
In
them
I'm
sorry,
sorry
I
didn't
have
a
light
on,
but
I
would
like
to
hopefully
can
do
this
in
a
quick,
not
quick,
but
a
pretty
steady,
and
you
know
mana,
like
Miss
Carlson,
said
I
think
this
is
keeping
it
on
the
front.
Burner
is
one
thing,
but
actually
be
the
time
that
sometimes
these
things
take
to
regroup
is
pretty
lengthy.
So
I'd
like
to
see
this
maybe
I'll
a
schedule
like
the
harlot
Clark,
which
we
gave
though
a
six
month
or
something
that
you.
F
A
That
ottoman
wind
was
talking
about.
Maybe
if
we
could
do
something
in
July,
maybe
we'll
take
one
of
our
off
mondays
and
to
do
a
workshop.
That
would
be
my
suggestion
so
that
we
can
get
it
done
as
fast
as
possible.
I
just
think
that
we've
let
this
we
kick.
This
can
down
the
road
to
me
too
long
enough,
so
we
just
need
to
move
on
it.
So
I
don't
have
a
calendar.
If
anybody
has
the
off
monday
for
us
in
july,.
V
A
B
I
would
suggest
that
we
look
at
the
off
monday
and
and
then
give
ourselves
a
lot
of
time.
We
may
need
actually
more
than
one
meeting
for
me.
This
is
this
is
a
very
significant
ordinance
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it
works
right.
I.
You
know,
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
Sienna
development
also
included
a
political
housing.
They
sure
did-
and
you
know
part
of
the
reason
why
yeah
part
of
the
the
reason
why
we
originally
drafted
this
was
because
we
had.
B
Then,
unfortunately,
the
recession
rolled
around
and
nothing
was
built
in
evanston,
so
I
think
now
we
need
to
re-examine
this
and
figure
out
ways
in
which
we
capture
more
because
back
back
then
there
there
were
no.
There
was
no
rental
housing
being
built
in
evanston.
Now,
there's
only
rental
housing
back
when
we
first
enacted
this
and
you're
going
to
tell
me
one
or
two
developments
that
did
ya:
okay
for
18
hours,
I
I
stand
corrected,
that's
right!
That
was
a
lot!
Okay,.
G
D
D
A
A
Financial
institutions
in
the
community,
because
certainly
staff,
can
certainly
let
them
know,
and
we
can
maybe
run
something
in
the
evanston
on
the
round
table
the
review
to
let
people
know
so
it's
a
couple
of
weeks.
I
think
that's
yes,
three
weeks
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
time,
I,
don't
you
think
we
could
do
it
I,
don't.
A
Alright,
so
we
will
hold
this
in
committee
until
the
29th
of
june
for
our
first
meeting
and
I'm
saying
first
meeting,
because
we
don't
know
we
may
have
to
set
another
after
that,
depending
on
where
we
get,
if
their
other
stakeholders
that
you
think
you
would
like
to
see
involved,
then
please
tell
them:
we'll
probably
have
to
do
this
up
in
the
parasol
room
so
that
we
can
have
enough
room
for
workshops
and
workgroups,
but
that
would
be
my
thinking.
Right
now
would
be
in
the
parasol
room
on
the
29th
and
we'll
start
probably
around.
A
D
We
can
address
it
real
quickly.
This
was
an
automatic
reference
to
investigate
some
potential
changes
to
our
lighting
regulations.
In
essence,
we
have
an
administrative
policy
that
regulates
light
glare
on
from
property
one
property
to
another,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
open
areas
and
parking
areas,
and
that
policy
does
not
allow
for
any
foot
candles
or
any
glare
zero
foot
candles
on
to
a
residential
property.
D
Also,
our
green
building
ordinance,
which
you
know,
applies
to
developments
that
are
20,000
square
feet
and
higher
that
has
what's
called
a
dark
sky
light
fixture
component
to
it
so
any
plan
any
permits
that
are,
we
are
received
that
fall
under
the
green
building
ordinance,
although
they
must
supply
us
with
fixtures
and
show
us
a
lighting
plan
of
photometric
plan
that
shows
that
there
will
not
be
any
glare,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
our
solely
as
it
relates
to
residential
properties.
We've
also
provided
you
with
a
series
of
research
on
other
communities.
D
I
will
say
that
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
multi-varied
approach
to
this
topic,
but
generally
as
it
relates
to
us
communities
from
residential
on
to
residential
property,
you're
going
to
see
something
where
they
don't
allow
foot
candles
to
be
illuminated
onto
properties,
and
that
and
I
will
just
give
the
caveat
that
is
administered
by
the
public
works
department.
So
that
policy
is
including
your
packet.
C
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
Munzer.
For
for
this,
it
grew
out
of
a
concern
about
just
lighting
sort
of
sprawl,
going
onto
various
properties
from
adjoining
properties,
a
whole
bunch
of
citizen
complaints
over
the
years,
basically,
our
hands
being
tied
on
in
some
circumstances,
but
really
looking
at
how
to
improve
the
overall
quality
of
life
in
in
our
community
in
terms
of
trying
to
have
a
a
peaceful
night
time
existence
but
focused
on
task
lighting.
So
it's
not
reducing
the
lighting.
C
It's
making
the
lighting
more
efficient
so
that
when
the
police
come
by
and
they
need
to
see
between
buildings,
they
can
see
between
buildings,
but
it's
not
shiny
into
something
someone's
apartment
for
example.
So
it's
it's
making
things
more
effective.
There
have
been
huge
advances
in
lighting
technology.
U
U
L
G
Fist
we
recently
had
issues
at
lot,
for
which
is
the
parking
lot
at
central
and
Stuart.
It's
the
new
parking
lot
that
was
reconfigured
a
couple
years
ago
with
new
light
fixtures,
but
the
new
light
fixtures
turned
out
to
be
pretty
bright,
highly
efficient
and
our
public
works
facilities.
Crews
have
macgyvered
hoods
too
many
of
those
light
fixtures
so
that
the
glare
doesn't
go
into
the
apartment,
building
that
borders
the
parking
lot.
So
there
are
ways
for
city
staff
to
fix
some
of
the
light
overflow
without
a
whole
lot
of
cost
right
on.
C
And
that
is
a
good
point.
I
remember
when
the
Maple
Avenue
parking
garage
was
being
constructed,
you
would
come
down
ridge
and
the
view
of
the
back
of
that
parking
lot
was
just
a
glaring
mass
and
with
the
use
of
some
of
those
hoods,
it's
now
quite
pleasant.
So
it's
again
for
a
very
small
cost
and
easy
retrofit
that
can
be
done.
D
I
do
have
one
communication.
Unfortunately,
when
we
get
together
next
time
to
talk
about
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
Mary
Ellen
pool
will
have
moved
on.
She
has
accepted
another
position
with
a
as
a
very
great
opportunity,
with
a
non-profit
here
in
Evanston.
So,
as
we
all
know
the
time
that
she's
been
here,
she
is,
she
is
smart,
she's
professional.
She
knows
housing
and
I
would
just
like
to
thank
her.