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City of Evanston Planning & Development Committee Meeting - 5/28/13
A
B
C
B
D
B
Any
changes
Corrections
additions;
okay,
all
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed.
Okay,
we'll
move
to
items
for
consideration.
The
first
one
is
p1:
approval
of
community
partners
for
affordable
housing,
home
application,
the
housing
and
homelessness,
Commission
and
staff
recommend
the
approval
of
a
270
7600,
$85
forgivable
home
loan
to
community
partners
for
affordable
housing,
see
PAH
for
the
acquisition
and
rehabilitation
of
two
housing
units
for
rental
that
is
affordable
for
houses,
households
whose
incomes
do
not
exceed
60
percent
of
the
area.
B
C
E
Well,
I
I'm,
opposing
this
based
on
the
lack
of
information.
I
I
got
a
call
from
alderman
braithwaite
earlier
tonight
explaining
that.
Well,
we
didn't
have
all
the
information
some
some
questions
that
I
have
have
to
do
with
the
housing
stock
that
we
currently
have
available
and
I'm
curious
to
know
are
all
the
nsp
to
rental
properties,
first
of
all,
purchased
and
developed
and
put
out
to
lease
and
they
all
occupied.
That's
what
question
second
question:
is
the
affordable
housing
stock
that
we're
getting
ready
to
add
in
alderman,
Holmes's
ward,
the
new
construction
and.
E
I
I
did
see
something
here
about
something
that
was
at
our
desk
tonight
about
issues
with
housing
that
had
been
addressed,
because
one
of
my
arguments
was
look.
It's
been
several
weeks
since
we've
heard
about
this
the
first
time
and
we
said
that
we
wanted
to
see
the
available
properties
that
they
were
considering,
and
you
know
they
haven't
been
able
to
secure
two
units
of
rental
housing,
I'm
concerned
that
condominium
units
not
be
purchased
and
then
rent
it
out.
E
That's
a
concern
of
mine
I
just
have
lots
of
questions,
so
I
mean
one
of
the
problems
with
foreclosures
and
with
bank
owned
properties.
As
the
city
well
knows,
it's
very
hard
to
break
through
the
barriers
that
the
bank's
put
up
to
buy
the
homes.
You
would
think
when
a
bank
owned
a
home
they
would
want
to
unload
it
quickly,
but,
alas,
and
alack
they
don't
know
where
the
keys
are.
E
F
Yeah
Albin
Fisk
member
of
the
committee
Peter
way
through
eight
second
word:
all
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
out
in
rain.
You
ask
him
excellent
questions
and
we
do
have
staff
here
prepared
to
answer.
I'm
just
here
in
front
of
the
committee
to
voice
my
support
for
for
item
p.
1.
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
directly
with
staff
and
get
a
lot
of
questions
answers,
and
this
is
actually
a
two-step
funding
process
and
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
later.
But
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
G
G
G
All
of
the
rental
units
that
are
complete
are
occupied,
with
the
exception
of
perhaps
one
and
I
haven't
seen
of
that
one
last
one
was
rented.
They
are
renting
up
generally
very
quickly.
We
actually
also
are
doing
incredibly
well
on
the
for
sale.
We
had
closing
today.
We
have
two
more
scheduled
this
week
and
one
the
next
week,
so
we
are
not
having
properties
sit,
particularly
rental,
particularly
rental.
At
the
fifty
percent
and
below
nsp
has
different
requirements.
G
G
Is
sixty
percent,
which
is
so
it's
very
much
in
that,
and
that
is
due
to
two
things.
One
is
in
our
consolidated
plan.
The
need
for
rental,
for
sixty
percent
and
below
is
really
significant,
and
the
other
thing
is
one
of
the
requirements
of
home,
which
is
the
source
of
funding.
Is
that
ninety
percent
of
the
units
you
fund
in
any
year
for
rental
are
for
households
at
or
below,
sixty
percent
of
area
median
the
rest
can
go
up
to
80.
G
E
E
So
we
give
them
that
and
it's
a
forgivable
loan-
and
let's
say
it's
like
see-
I
have
my
basic
problem
here
is
the
whole
land
trust
concept,
just
I
just
find
it
absolutely
a
bizarre
concept.
Given
the
ovens
of
market
I,
just
don't
get
it
here.
I
can
understand,
it
may
be
in
what's
Robbins,
that
would
be
great
place
to
do
Land
Trust.
E
G
E
H
Thank
you
so
too
took
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm,
rob
Anthony,
I'm,
executive
director
of
community
partners
for
affordable
housing
and
to
to
clarify
community
partners
for
affordable
housing
is
not
a
Land
Trust
per
se.
We
are
a
non-profit
community
housing
development
organization
that
provides
affordable
housing
for
low-income
families.
We
have
a
Community
Land
Trust
model,
where
we
use
that
as
a
one
tool
or
one
vehicle
where
some
units
are
placed
into
a
land,
trust
lumpy.
E
H
We
also
do
rental
housing,
we
administer
inclusionary
housing
for
city
of
Highland
Park,
and
so
there
are
various
kinds
of
strategies
we
use
with
rental.
It's
a
flat-out
rental
there's.
No,
the
only
difference
is
that,
with
this
application,
you'll
be
assured
that,
with
the
the
home
program,
friends
have
to
be
affordable
for
15
years
and
with
this
program
the
rents
will
be
affordable.
Long
long
after
that,
I
will.
E
H
E
H
So
the
citizens
lighthouse
Community
Land
Trust
approximately
a
year
and
a
half
ago
or
two
years
ago,
some
of
their
board
members
and
staff
from
the
city
of
Evanston
approached
community
partners
for
affordable
housing
and
asked
whether
we
would
be
interested
in
sort
of
merging
or
taking
over
their
operations
because
they
really
had
some
some
staffing
and
capacity
issues.
We
had
a
strategic
planning
morning
met
with
a
lot
of
their
board.
H
Members
ultimately
realized
that
it
probably
did
make
sense
for
us
to
take
that
one
unit
and
put
it
into
our
land
trust
and
the
citizens
lighthouse
Land
Trust
ceased
to
exist,
so
they
close
their
operations.
So
we
are
in
the
process
now
with
transferring
that
land.
So
that
would
be
in
the
inventory
that
we
have
and
they
would
no
longer
be
in
existence,
but
but
there
they
do
not
have
any
part
in
our
in
our
management
or
staffing.
You
know
we're
completely
separate
entity.
H
We
do
have
an
evanston
advisory
board
which
the
15-member
advisory
board
comprised
of
local
evenson,
all
evenson
architects,
financial
representatives
lenders
community
advocates.
There
are
some
people
from
the
former
citizens
lighthouse
Community
Land
Trust,
who
participate
on
that
advisory
board
to
help
provide
some
guidance
on
local
evenson
based
issues,
but
instead
it's
an
advisory
board
to
our
full
board
of
directors,
and
we
do
have
to
evanston
representatives
on
our
board
of
directors
to
are.
H
E
H
E
H
So
and
sepa,
in
partnership
with
the
city
of
Evanston
and
brynn
short
development,
applied
to
the
Illinois
Attorney
General
for
some
funds
through
a
settlements
related
to
the
foreclosure
issue,
and
we
we've
received
a
call
from
their
office
and
we
are.
They
have
initially
approved
us
for
funding
to
do
actually
10
units
and
they.
E
H
Illinois
Attorney
General's
Office,
and
so
we
are
in
final
negotiations
with
them
to
figure
out
the
details
of
that
grants
and
the
the
one
of
the
requirements
of
that
grants
is
some
match
dollars,
and
so
the
home
dollars
through
this
application
could
be
used
as
match.
These
two
units
would
be
rolled
into
that
larger
10
unit
project,
but.
G
Would
not
want
to
say
that
giving
that
is
the
guarantee.
I
think
that
Sivas
discussion
with
the
AG's
office,
that
is
apart
from
that
we
had
talked
with
them
specifically
about
we
were
already
moving
forward
on
a
proper
or
on
a
application
that
fit
very
much
into
that.
Could
that
be
considered
a
part
of
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
say
that
it's
an
absolute
guarantee
based
on
this
I
think
they're.
G
This
stands
on
its
own
merits
as
something
to
do
with
our
home
funds
and
if
it
can
then
be
used
as
leverage
against
the
greater
funding,
that's
I
think
good
too,
but
it's
not.
We
don't
have
absolute
final,
anything
from
them.
So
the
reason
we
didn't
have
this
in
package
is
all
of
this
with
the
attorney
general's
office
has
been
happening
subsequent
to
when
the
package
had
to
come
out
and
Rob
has
actually
done
significant
discussion
with
them
as
to
whether
or
not
we
can
provide
information
at
one
where.
G
Our
expectation
is,
it
will
be
acquisition
and
Rehab
very
much
like
nsp.
The
whole
point
is
to
we
have
well:
we've
got
nine
properties,
for
example,
that
alderman
Braithwaite
and
staff
have
been
discussing.
Many
of
them
are
single
family.
There
are,
there
is
at
least
one
two
flat
in
there.
Some
of
them
are
on
the
market,
one
is
on
the
market.
The
rest
are
in
that
lovely
limbo
that
we
had
and
we
would
have
to
work
to
acquire
them
as
they
become
available.
Is.
G
G
E
G
E
G
F
H
E
H
E
G
G
G
H
C
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
we
would
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
attorney
general
Brandt
process
and
it's
probably
many
of
you
are
aware:
the
Attorney
General's,
not
normally
in
the
role
of
providing
affordable
housing
grants.
There
was
a
national
lawsuit
against
all
of
the
major
banks
regarding
of
the
foreclosure
crisis
and
a
number
of
states
and
their
attorneys
general
were
involved
in
that
the
Illinois
Attorney
General
was
represented.
The
state
of
Illinois
in
that
and
for
the
Illinois
portion
of
the
funding
that
was
event
available.
C
The
attorney
general's
office
decided
to
hold
their
own
application
process,
so
I
think
as
you've
heard
from
the
speakers.
This
is
not
a
HUD
process.
This
is
not
something
that's
very
standard.
The
tree
general
convened
a
committee
of
interested
parties
from
around
the
state
who
do
affordable
housing
so
where
you
normally
would
have
very
prescribed
programmatic
issues.
They
are
somewhat
less
prescribed
at
this
juncture.
C
So
again,
we've
not
received
anything
that
we're
very
hopeful
that
the
attorney
general's
office
will
provide
this
funding,
but
we've
been
receiving
these
indications
and
our
senses
that
once
those
decisions
are
made,
they'll
want
us
to
move
forward
expeditiously.
So
I
just
wanted
to
explain
why
you
were
hearing
the
Attorney
General.
This
attorney
general
that
one
that's
not
normally
a
branch.
I
E
Aldrin
rainy,
could
you
tell
us
my
inclination
is
to
support
this
at
this
point,
but
could
you
tell
us
how
involved
the
Attorney
General
is
going
to
stay
on
top
of
this,
or
is
it
going
to
end
up
being
our
staff
who's
going
to
receive
is
that
that
is
a
problem
I,
don't
like
the
way
at
all
that
the
land
trust
the
group
was
handled.
I
thought
that
you
know
we
weren't
helpful.
They
weren't
helpful.
It
was
a
disaster,
so
I'm
concerned
as
to
how
this
is
going
to
be
overseen
and.
C
C
I,
don't
think,
we've
gotten
any
indication
that
there
would
be
any
kind
of
owners
oversight,
I,
think
that
there
will
be
some
reporting
back
to
the
attorney
general's
office
to
satisfy
that
the
money
received
from
the
settlement
of
the
lawsuit
was
spent
appropriately
again,
this
is
Sarah
something
we've
been
working
on
for
the
last
several
months.
We
moved
very
quickly
to
put
together
a
local
team
to
apply
and
I.
Think
the
strength
of
our
application
is
because
we
moved
so
quickly
working
with
with
the
groups
that
have
been
represented
here,
so
we're.
C
E
C
Think
we
have
information.
I
I
know
that
in
the
initial
stages
we
reached
out
to
several
of
the
members
of
this
group
who
we've
worked
with
in
other
projects
around
the
area.
I
know
mr.
Moreno
hood
was
acquainted
with
a
few
so
as
Miss
flax.
So
we
can
get
you
that
information
again
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
as
this
is
reported
in
the
press,
that
we
do
not
have
any
final
confirmation
and
where
we
remain
hopeful
that
the
attorney
general's
office
will
deem
it
appropriate
to
make
the
allocation
deficit
and
if.
E
C
Will
get
all
been
raiding
members?
The
committee
will
get
the
information
you
requested
regarding
the
facilitation
for
funding
will
get
that
to
you
in
the
next
few
days
and
then,
as
that
has
made
available.
Certainly
if
we
are
fortunate
to
get
the
funds
will
be
widely
known
and
we'll
keep
you
apprised
as
the
project
progresses.
Thank.
B
B
The
plan
commission
city
staff
recommend
approval
of
ordinance,
30
60
13,
a
map
amendment
to
rezone
the
property
commonly
known
as
1715
church
street
and
1703
darrow
avenue
and
1711
darrow
Avenue
from
the
I
to
general
industrial
district
to
the
MXC
mixed
juice,
employment,
district
and
that's
for
introduction
is
their
emotion.
I
move.
B
B
We're
at
p3
ordinance,
37,
0
13,
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
to
rezone
2153,
2143
and
2145
ashland
avenue,
15
15
and
15
23
pain,
street
and
2150
and
2156
green
bay
road
from
c2
to
mx3.
The
plan.
Commission
city
staff
recommend
approval
of
ordinance,
37
0
13,
a
map
amendment
to
rezone
the
properties
commonly
known
as
those
that
I
just
read
from
the
sea
to
commercial
district
to
the
mx3,
mixed
juice,
employment,
district
and
that's
for
introduction
their
emotion,
move,
introduction.
B
Okay,
any
discussion.
Okay,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
p
for
is
ordinance.
50,
30
13,
granting
a
special
use
for
resale
establishment
at
1104,
Davis
Street,
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
and
city
staff
recommend
the
adoption
of
ordinance
53,
o
13,
granting
a
special
use
permit
for
a
resale
establishment
for
office.
Furniture
at
1104
davis
street
called
not
fade
away.
The
applicant
has
complied
with
all
zoning
requirements
and
meets
all
of
the
standards
of
a
special
use
in
this
district.
That's
for
introduction
is
their
emotion.
B
I
B
Okay,
it's
for
introduction
all
those
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
all
right,
we're
going
to
p5,
which
has
ordinates
50
0
13,
amending
various
portions
of
the
city
code
in
order
to
regulate
vacation
rentals
as
a
type
of
B&B
establishment
staff
requests
consideration
of
ordinance,
50,
0
13,
which
would
regulate
vacation
rentals
as
a
subset
of
BNB
establishments.
Consequently,
any
vacation
rental
could
operate
only
pursuant
to
a
special
use
permit
issued
by
the
city
council
after
recommendation
from
the
ZBA.
H
B
K
Alderman
Fisk
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
Maureen
O'donnell
and
I
live
at
2509
ashland
and
I'm
representing
a
number
of
neighbors
on
the
2500
block
of
ashland.
The
lawyers
enter
black.
Thank
you
by
the
way
for
continuing
to
work
with
us.
It's
we've
been
slogging
through
this
for
seven
months.
We
appreciate
your
efforts.
The
lawyers
on
our
black
remain
very
concerned
about
the
proposals
permitting
landlords
to
be
off-site,
and
the
lawyers
also
point
out.
K
B
L
Thank
You
Howard
handler
with
the
North
Shore
Barrington
Association
of
Realtors.
We,
too
want
to
thank
you
for
your
thoughtfulness
on
this
issue
and
for
including
some
exemptions
that
we've
we've
encouraged
you
to
take
a
look
at,
but
still
we
think
that
this
ordinance
uses
a
sledge
hammer
to
pound
a
nail
short
term
rentals
by
and
large,
outside
of
an
isolated
property
have
not
been
a
cause
for
concern
for
staff,
City,
Council
and
residents.
Yet
this
ordinance
cast
far
too
wide
of
a
net.
L
It
pulls
the
rug
under
all
evidence
and
property
owners,
making
it
near
impossible
for
evanston
residents
to
exercise
our
right
to
rent
their
property
for
less
than
29
days.
Ironically,
the
more
one
rents
their
property
on
a
short
term
basis.
The
burden
decreases
because
the
proposed
regulation
can
be
an
investment
for
those
that
want
to
rent
their
property
on
a
regular
basis.
L
You
know
those
that
are
renting
them
for
a
hundred
times
a
year,
but
for
those
property
owners
that
need
or
want
to
rent
their
property
one
time
in
even
20
years
for
less
than
29
days.
The
burden
is
overwhelming,
including,
but
not
limited
to,
and
this
as
far
as
we
understand
it,
applying
paying
a
fee
submitting
floor
plans
maintaining
locks
that
open
from
the
outside
and
even
providing
soap.
L
We
appreciate
the
lease
back
and
renovation
exemption,
but
we,
but
the
other
one
catch-all
exemption
based
on
staffs
interpretation
of
a
hardship,
leaves
too
much
discretion
and
is
ripe
for
arbitrary
decisions.
This
ordinance
can
be
much
more
targeted
toward
problem
properties
or
properties
being
run
as
quasi
hotel.
Don't
make
your
residence
plead
their
case
to
the
city
staff
to
use
their
property
for
very
routine
mundane
use.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
M
Few
months
ago,
a
Saturday
meeting
and
I
have
a
vacation,
rental
and
I
know
some.
Some
neighborhoods
had
some
problems,
but
I've
had
nothing
but
success
and
in
great
tenants
and
I
live
in
the
building.
I
bought
the
building
because
it's
a
rental
building
and
I,
but
I
could
run
it
out,
as
I
saw
fit
and
I
feel
unfair.
That
I
find
out
now
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
go
before
you
and
get
a
permit
or
anything,
and
here
I
live
in
the
building.
M
We've
had
people
come
from
all
over
the
world
to
enjoy
some
of
evanston's
things
visiting
northwestern
and
they
can't
always
stay
for
29
days
and
I
know
that
several
of
you
I've
talked
to
use
like
vrbo.
When
you
travel
to
communities-
and
you
know
heavily,
you
know,
find
it
really
a
great
opportunity
and
I
think
people
come
into
this
community
should
have
the
same
opportunity
and
I.
M
N
Actually
Howard
said
most
of
what
I
would
have
said
anyway.
I
guess
the
big
thing
that
I
look
at
on
this
is
particularly
on
this
with
a
hardship
situation
is
simply
too
vague.
There
needs
to
be
some
guidelines
here
and
I,
don't
see
them
as
to
how
this
is
to
be
interpreted
and
I.
Don't
think
this
is
something
that
people
need
to
be
I,
be
left
to
people's
judgment.
I
think
they
need
obviously
everything's,
not
black
and
white.
N
Most
things
are
great,
but
still
you
need
some
guidelines
it
and
you
really
don't
have
it
here
on
this
hardship
situation,
and
that's
that's
my
biggest
personal
concern
about
this
particular
piece
of
legislation
and
I
really
think
they
need
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
maybe
try
to
spell
this
out
or
try
to
work
with
somebody
to
come
up
with
something.
At
least
it's
more
that
we'd
be
more
able
to
discuss
on
okay,
okay,.
B
J
That
thank
you.
Ma'am,
chair,
I
have
two
issues
that
I
think
this
is
significantly
improved
at,
but
I
have
two
issues
that
that
I
think
I've
been
raised
by
the
community
and
I'd
like
to
just
throw
them
both
out
there
and
then
have
us
discuss
them.
I
think
the
issue
about
having
someone
an
owner-occupied.
J
It
owner-occupied,
I
think,
is
understandable
but
problematic
if
you're
renting
your
condo,
because
you're
not
going
to
stay
there
in
your
condo,
along
with
the
guests,
but
I
do
think
that
there
should
be
something
that
requires
folks
to
have
a
phone
number.
That's
posted
in
the
way
that
we
have
rental
buildings
that
have
a
phone
number,
that
you
can
reach
someone
who
manages
the
property,
because
otherwise,
that
we're
leaving
the
management
of
the
property
to
our
police
and
fire
and
property
standards.
J
Folks,
so
I
would
like
to
put
some
language
in
to
this,
indicating
that
there
there
is
some
phone
number
posted
and
there
will
be
someone
who
will
answer
that
phone,
otherwise
you're
the
community
is
left
with
calling
the
police
department
for
problems,
and
we
don't
want
to
have
that
happen.
Might
the
second
issue?
I
think
is
one
that's
been
raised
to
me
and
emails,
and
I
think
is
mr.
J
handler
raises
the
point,
which
is:
if
someone
wants
to
do
this
once
we're
putting
them
through
a
lot
of
bureaucratic
process
to
do
it
once
and
I
would
entertain
having
a
one-time
exemption
in
this
in
the
ordinance,
so
I
mean
I.
Think
what
we're
really
trying
to
get
at
are
the
folks
who
are
doing
this
on
an
ongoing
basis.
Not
someone
who
decides
we'll
do
some
type
of
swap
with
you
know
some
family
in
Europe
for
a
week
we'll
swap
each
other's
houses
or
something
like
that.
I
know.
A
Good
evening,
madam
chairman
members
of
committee,
grant
for
our
corporation
counsel
with
respect
to
the
point
that
you
just
raised.
Alderman
Wilson
I
believe
it's
my
view
that
this
ordinance
would
take
effect
upon
passage.
So
any
new
rental
going
forward
would
be
within
the
purview
of
this
particular
ordinance.
As
drafted.
A
Think
I
think
we
would
need
to
allow
for
the
effective
date
to
come
and
pass
and
if
there's
a
concern
about
retroactivity
or
somebody
getting
caught,
take,
for
instance,
the
the
exception
for
a
sale
of
a
property
and
somebody's
already
doing
it
right
now.
If
there's
an
issue
there,
then
perhaps
there
may
be
a
way
of
addressing
that
with
a
date
certain
a
farther
out
effective
date.
But
but
my
view
is
that
this
ordinance
with
the
regulations
is
currently
phrased
would
take
effect
for
any
new
rental
as
of
the
effective
date
either.
A
I
A
J
F
A
J
H
J
I
Right
and
I
fully
recognize.
This
is
sprung
on
you
on
the
spot.
Okay,
so
I'm
just
going
to
point
blank
asked
I
want
to
be
sure
that
that's
the
answer
and
if
you
haven't
had
time
to
look
at
it
fully,
I
think
we
should
explore
that
make
sure
it's
right,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
there
might
be
an
argument
that
this
would
be
analogous
to
let's
say:
there's
a
pet
store.
Pet
stores
been
operating
for
25
years
and
we
decide
to
make
pet
stores
something
different.
I
A
Of
course,
I
can't
ever
speculate
to
every
conceivable
challenge
that
would
come
to
a
city
ordinance,
but
the
way
I
would
view
this
issue,
as
you
pose
it.
Alderman
Wilson
is
that
every
rental
period
is
a
new
rental
period
for
a
home,
and
every
rental
period
that
goes
on
this
continuum
prior
to
the
effective
date
would
not
be
subject
to
these
ordinance
after
the
effective
date.
That
is
a
new
rental.
A
It
is
a
new
rental
for
a
new
block
of
time
for
for
probably
new
tenants
for
it
for
new
reasons
and
I
think
that
from
an
enforcement
standpoint,
that
gives
everybody
a
clear
understanding
of
the
effect
of
the
effectiveness
of
this
ordinance,
what
it
covers
and
what
it
does
not
cover.
I'm
of
the
view
that,
in
this
type
of
situation,
where
we're
we're
talking
about
transient
rentals,
that
it
is
a
situation
where
that
particular
residents,
whatever
the
owners
decide
to
do,
however,
they
decide
to
rent
it
out.
That's
always
in
a
state
of
somewhat
flux.
A
The
rental
period
can
fluctuate,
it
could
be
weekly,
it
could
be
daily,
but
I
think
that
the
proper
way
to
view
this
and
really
the
common-sense
way-
and
I'm
sure
others
will
differ
from
this
interpretation-
is
that
those
rentals
going
forward
each
rental
is
a
new
Act
it
a
new
action
by
that
particular
owner
of
that
residence.
It's
a
new
transaction.
E
Grant
are
we
going
to
consider
a
different
system
for
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
for
this
kind
of
thing,
because,
as
I
sit
here
thinking
you
wouldn't
want
it,
I
mean
getting
a
special
use
takes
a
while.
So
you
wouldn't
be.
You
know
putting
a
ad
and
vacation
rental
by
owner
for
july
as
we're
having
this
discussion
thinking
all
just
going
to
stop
over
at
City
Hall
and
apply
for
a.
N
E
Use
and
get
it
because
that's
not
what
happens
so
I'm
thinking
a
lot
of
people
probably
are
going
to
flood
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
with
Appeals
for
their
property
to
be
a
vacation
rental
by
owner,
because
most
people
have
never
thought
about
doing
this.
Probably,
and
now,
we've
alerted
everybody
to
the
fact
that
you
can
rent
your
house
out
and
it
will
be
legal.
All
you
have
to
do
is
get
a
special
use,
so
I'm
just
thinking
what
happens
if
they
start
backing
up
well,.
A
Alderman
rainy
I
think
you
do
touch
upon
the
issue,
two
issues,
the
administrative
interpretation
and
implementation
of
this
proposed
ordinance,
and
then
the
enforcement
issue
and
I
think
that
all
of
these
concerns
have
been
raised
in
this
venue
many
times,
and
that
I
think,
has
something
that
I've
been
quite
candid
with
this
committee
and
with
the
council
on
is
how
does
the
back
end
mesh
with
the
way
the
language
is
written,
understanding
that
there
probably
will
be?
I
I,
don't
want
to
characterize
as
a
flood,
but
but
it
will,
it
will
open
the.
A
It
will
open
the
door.
The
docket
of
the
ZBA
will
will
be
full.
The
Zoning
Administrator
staff
will
be
will
be
very
busy,
they'll
be
hopping.
So
again,
you
know
the
issue
here
beyond
the
four
corners
of
the
proposed
ordinance
is
that
in
four
men
and
an
implementation,
piece
and
I
think
I
can
be
quite
candid.
With
the
council
and
I've
been
in
the
past,
it
is
going
to
be
challenging,
is
going
to
be
extremely
challenging
how
staff
is
able
to
work
that,
through,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
concern.
A
E
A
A
It
can
be
on
a
rolling
basis,
but
I'm
thinking
for
the
first
point
of
implementation
that
an
effective
date
sometime
I
mean
if
we're
essentially
looking
at
June
first
right
now
and
a
typical
special
use
takes
anywhere
between
60
to
120
days.
Roughly,
we
could
be
looking
at
perhaps
four
months,
I'm
not
sure,
but
but
I
think
that
that
would
at
least
address
the
initial
initial
application
round
that
I
think,
can
be
expected
by
staff.
B
I
F
E
Suggest
what
I
would
suggest
is
we
do
this
like
we
do
sidewalk
cafes
right.
First,
one
is
intense,
you
get
screened
by
staff,
etc.
You
have
to
be
approved
by
the
council
if
there
are
no
complaints
or
issues
during
that
year,
why
make
them
come
back
again?
Maybe
people
wouldn't
even
know
that
there
was
a
vacation
rental.
Don't
forget
we're
making
these
rules
because
of
the
problems,
not
because
of
people
like
our
friend
here
so
I
I
rather
see
us.
Do
it
that
way?
Maybe
it
would
be
a
three-year
special
user
for
you.
E
D
Now
some
of
them
have
been
good
enough
to
come
in
and
identify
themselves
and
you
know,
and
we
know
who
they
are
and
they
will
comply,
but
we
have
no
idea
how
many
more
out
there
and
how
will
we
know
and
what
will
happen
with
those
unless
there's
a
complaint
from
neighbors
I
mean
that's
the
only
way
we
would
know
about
ashlynn,
that's
the
only
way
we
knew
about
Monroe
is
because
there
were
complaints,
so
director
for
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
This
is
not
gonna
be
easy.
This
is
a
real
challenge.
J
J
I
think
I
think
you're
right
I
director
for
our
that,
having
a
longer
effective
date
will
allow
the
CBA
to
adjust
to
granting
these
special
uses.
For
instance,
maybe
we
make
the
effective
date
for
months
from
from
now,
so
that
people
who
are
coming
in,
as
you
say,
aldrin
homes
to
to
be
correct
or
will
have
time
and
the
CBA
will
all
have
one
giant
rush
at
once.
But
where
does
it
say
in
here
that
in
the
ordinance
that
these
are
going
to
be
annual
special
uses?
That's
what
I'm
confused
about.
Why.
A
J
It's
in
the
memo
is
it
in
the
memo.
I'm.
Sorry
I
missed
that,
but
I
it
is
annual.
Then
I
agree
with
absolutely
agree
with
alder
and
rainy
that
using
the
sidewalk
cafe
method
is
the
correct
thing
to
do
that.
You
don't
get
it
renewed
if
there's
a
problem,
but
otherwise
you
have
a
serious
review
initially
to
make
sure
that
you're
worthy
and
then
that
then,
after
that,
it's
yours
to
lose
no,
but
we
are
going
to
look
at
it
carefully.
Well,.
A
I'm,
oh,
that's,
that's
an
excellent
point
that
the
committee
is
bringing
out
in
terms
of
analogizing
it
to
a
sidewalk.
Cafe
and
again,
you
know:
there's
there's,
certainly
analogous
provisions
that
are
implemented
by
staff
relative
to
sidewalk
cafe.
That
could
be
adapted
and
reused
for
this
particular
purpose.
Again,
that's
that's
going
to
require
some
some
nimble
and
nuanced
thinking
by
staff,
as
we.
C
Tremors,
the
committee
I
think
what
I
hear
the
committee
saying
is
that
there's
a
couple
of
additional
tweaks
you'd
like
to
make
one
would
be
a
requirement
for
a
phone
number
of
management
of
property,
be
posted
that
you've
not
talked
about
this,
but
perhaps
a
one-time
exemption
on.
So
if
that
would
be
reasonable,
then
I
think
the
third
is
the
issue
of
an
effective
date
and
mr.
Ferrar,
I
think,
has
walked
through
the
issues
there.
C
So
what
I'd
like
to
propose
is
perhaps
that
you
consider
a
motion,
the
direct
staff
to
come
back
with
those
changes
regarding
the
phone
number,
the
one-time
exemption
and
the
effective
date
will
make
those
amendments,
and
then
we
will
also
come
to
you
with
some
proposed
regulations
as
to
how
this
would
be
implemented.
We
can
be
back
to
you,
I
would
imagine
a
your
jun
10
meeting
or
your
jun
24
meeting.
Mr.
Ferrar,
do
you
have
a
preference
at
this
point?
Whatever?
Whatever
is
the
committee's
plan?
C
A
B
B
Jumping
off
the
cliff
here:
okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
items
for
discussion
of
pd-1,
which
is
ordinance
5400,
13,
amending
subsections,
six
dash
for
dash
one
dash
14
and
six
dash
18
dash
three
regarding
occupancy
of
dwelling
units
staff
submits
for
discussion
and
possible
referral
to
the
plan.
Commission
ordinance,
50,
40
13,
upon
request
from
alderman
Wilson,
that's
for
discussion
tonight,
and
there
are
folks
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
that
alderman
Wilson
before
discussion.
Okay,
two
people
Howard
handler
on
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,
Howard
handler
and
it's
done
gone
schulenburg.
B
L
Speak.
Thank
you
very
much
for
raising
this.
The
level
of
the
pnd
is
a
very
important
issue
that
I
know
a
number
of
parties
are
concerned
with
in
terms
of
fair
housing,
affordable
housing
access,
community
services,
the
position
of
the
North
Shore
Berenson
Association
of
Realtors
has
consistently
been
that
occupancy
standards
should
be
the
same
regardless
of
your
blood
related
or
not.
That
being
said,
we
certainly
see
this
proposal
as
a
very
good
step
in
the
right
direction.
L
So
we're
going
to
deny
you
the
ability
to
how
some
X
number
of
unrelated
people,
the
other
thing
we
want
to
point
out
is
that
the
number
of
bedrooms
it's
in
our
3
and
above
district,
it
is
recommended
that
the
number
of
bedrooms
are
commensurate
with
the
number
of
not
unrelated
people.
We
ask
you
to
consider
that
people
can
live
to
to
a
bedroom,
especially
if
it's
a
very
large
bedroom.
L
Just.
Lastly,
we'd
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
family
type,
B
with
unrelated
persons
with
children.
We'd
asked
you
to
consider
raising
that
from
a
maximum
of
two
unrelated
persons
to
three
unrelated
persons
and
just
to
give
you
one
example
of
a
million
examples.
Eight
could
come
up
with
a
married
couple
with
four
children
and
a
French
child
living
with
them,
while
the
mom
serves
overseas
in
Iraq
or
Afghanistan
would
be
allowed
under
the
current
law.
L
But
an
unmarried
couple
with
the
exact
same
situation
would
not
be
able
to
care
for
a
child
whose
mother
serving
overseas
in
Iraq
or
Afghanistan.
So
we
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
those
few
suggestions.
They
are
on
paper
in
front
of
you
and
again.
We
appreciate
that
this
is
making
its
way
to
you
guys.
I
Thank
you,
and
a
purpose
today,
of
course,
is
to
suggest
referral
to
the
plan
commission
so
that
they
can
take
a
closer
look
in
here
everyone's
input
and
get
some
further
thoughts.
But
basically,
what
I
wanted
to
try
to
do
was
to
focus
less
on
the
nature
of
blood
relationships
and
more
on
the
nature
of
an
actual
physical
structure
of
the
building.
So
in
other
words,
if
the
building
is
appropriately
constructed
for
the
use,
it
should
be
usable
for
that
purpose.
I
Some
people
have
voiced
concerns
to
me
about
some
of
the
larger
occupancy
numbers,
five
or
six
and
the
ordinance
as
I've
proposed.
It
does
not
provide
for
that
in
single-family
homes.
Those
are
for
apartment
apartments
that
are
laid
out
that
way,
so
in
other
words,
if
you
have
a
five
bedroom
apartment,
that's
built
that
way.
I
Theoretically,
five
people
could
live
there,
but
if
it's
five
or
six,
the
landlord
would
have
to
go
and
get
certification
from
the
Zoning
Administrator
to
ensure
that
it's
safe
and
it's
properly
constructed.
If
it's
not
probably
well
strike
that,
if
permits
weren't
obtained,
for
example,
if
it
was
built
65
years
ago
and
they
didn't
have
permits,
but
it's
properly
constructed
their
inspections
safe,
that
they
could
obtain
the
certification.