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C
A
All
right
great,
would
someone
like
to
move
approval
of
the
minutes.
A
C
B
A
A
D
D
D
This
cautious
reading
was
due
to
the
memory
of
an
extensive
and
protracted
dispute
23
years
ago
concerning
the
creation
of
the
Northeast,
a
historic
district
in
Evanston,
while
you
may
not
have
been
on
the
committee
or
the
council
at
that
time.
Many
of
the
area's
residents
remember
the
controversy
very
well
at
that
time,
residents
affected,
formed
evanstonians
for
responsible
preservation,
refusing
to
be
dictated
to
or
lose
control
of
our
homes
and
properties.
D
A
vast
majority
of
residents
north
of
Lincoln
Street,
which
is
Northern
boundary
of
the
Northeast
historic
district,
did
not
want
the
local
designation
then,
and
we
don't
want
it
now.
City
Council
made
an
agreement
with
residents
that
the
area
north
of
Lincoln
would
not
be
in
the
local
historic
district.
However,
preserve
2040
has
actions
that
are
clearly
opposed
to
this
agreement.
D
Now
I
can
go
into
the
specific
exceptions
if
you
want
but
save
time,
unless
you
want
me
to
delineate
these,
the
dispute
occupied
the
time,
efforts
and
Personnel
of
Evanston
city
council
departments
and
citizens
for
two
years.
It
was
extensively
covered
in
the
media
and
it
occupied
your
time
and
other
Personnel
time.
If
preservation
commission
pursues
this
course
of
action
on
preserve
2040.
With
these
areas
noted,
there
will
be
a
strong
response
from
the
residents
reaffirming
the
agreement
made
23
years
ago
with
the
people
living
there.
Thank.
D
Okay,
we
request
that
sections
of
The
Preserve
2040
plan
you
know
about
the
Northeast
historic
district
be
removed
from
the
plan.
Okay,
an
agreement
with
the
city
council,
honored
thank.
E
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
I
am
Don
Ziegler,
a
fourth
ward
resident
and
chair
of
the
Evanston
Health
advisory
Council
made
up
of
citizens
and
health
professionals
that
advise
the
health
department
in
past
comments
to
the
Health
and
Human
Services
committee.
The
land
use
commission,
I
and
others
shared
positions
of
the
CDC
American
Heart,
Association
respiratory
health
and
psychiatric
American
Psychiatric
associations
that
it
would
be
totally
unwise
to
establish
cannabis
consumption
lounges
in
Evanston.
E
But
proponents
don't
see
problems,
no
concerns
about
second-hand
smoke,
since
customers
will
voluntarily
go
to
a
well-ventilated
lounge
and
employees,
of
course,
have
a
choice
to
work
there.
But
according
to
CDC
and
HVAC
experts
at
present,
the
only
means
of
effectively
eliminating
health
risk
associated
with
indoor
exposure
is
to
ban
smoking
activity.
E
But
what
about
Public
Safety
likely
most
customers
will
drive
to
the
lounges.
The
national
highway
traffic
safety
administration
considers
driving
after
using
marijuana
as
socially
unacceptable
as
driving
drunk
according
to
the
AAA
simply
put.
If
you
consume
cannabis,
don't
drive
if
you
plan
to
drive,
don't
consume
cannabis.
E
E
Our
own
health
department
states
that
approving
cannabis
lounges
goes
contrary
to
the
long,
long-fought
Endeavors
to
establish
a
citizen,
Clean
Air
Act
and
numerous
Public
Health
measures
regarding
Clean,
Indoor,
Air
and
well-being.
So
please
vote
no,
and
if
you
have
a
financial
interest,
please
recuse
yourself
from
voting.
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F
Great
I'm,
also
speaking
on
canvas
lounges
good
evening.
My
name
is
Kelly
Nichols
I'm,
the
senior
manager
of
policy
and
advocacy
for
Respiratory
Health
Association,
which
is
117
year
old
lung
Health,
Organization
focused
on
healthy
lungs
and
clean
air
and
I'm.
Here
today,
urging
you
to
oppose
the
pending
ordinances,
permitting
cannabis
lounges
in
Evanston.
F
While
we
strongly
encourage
everybody
not
to
smoke
anything
combustible,
we
do
believe
that
people
have
the
right
to
choose
what
behaviors
they
engage
in
within
the
law,
but
we
draw
the
line
when
it
comes
to
secondhand
smoke
or
it's
not
just
the
smokers,
but
non-smokers
as
well,
and
that
notably
includes
workers.
Cannabis
smoke
contains
several
hundred
toxic
chemicals,
carcinogens
and
fine
particulate
matter.
Many
at
higher
concentrations
than
tobacco
smoke.
F
A
recent
study
in
the
Journal
of
the
American
Medical
Association
found
that
even
12
hours
after
indoor
cannabis,
smoking
ended
the
daily
average
concentration
of
particulate
matter
still
exceeded
uscpa
Daily
Standard
by
six-fold.
Another
study
found
the
concentrations
of
particulate
matter
in
one
San.
Francisco
dispensary
were
28
times
higher
during
working
hours
than
when
the
business
was
closed.
We've
heard
our
arguments
that
cannabis
lodges
can
protect
workers
and
customers
with
ventilation.
That's
simply
not
true.
Many
of
the
harmful
constituents
found
in
cannabis
smoke
can't
be
eliminated
with
current
ventilation
and
air
cleaning
Technologies.
F
Even
the
American
Society
of
heating,
refrigerating
and
air
cooling,
Engineers
states
and
their
standards
for
ventilation
for
acceptable
indoor
air
quality
that
there's
no
safe
level
of
exposure
to
secondhand
smoke.
The
Cannabis
smoke
should
not
be
allowed
indoors
and
that
ventilation
and
other
air
filtration
Technologies
cannot
eliminate
all
the
house
health
risks
caused
by
cannabis
and
other
smoke.
There's
no
safe
level
of
secondhand
smoke
exposure
and
we
don't
believe
workers
should
have
to
choose
between
their
paycheck
and
their
health.
F
The
Evanston
city
council
recognized
this
more
than
15
years
ago,
when
you
passed
the
city's
Municipal
smoke-free
law.
Evanston
has
a
history
of
effective
Tobacco
Control
and
reducing
the
impact
of
tobacco-related
illness
on
communities,
and
it
was
one
of
the
first
communities
in
Illinois
to
raise
the
purchase
age
of
tobacco
to
21
and
that's
a
record
to
be
proud
of.
I
urge
you
to
continue
to
promote
worker
safety
and
healthy
lungs
by
rejecting
their
proposed
ordinance.
Evanstonians
deserve
a
consistent
policy
that
protects
Health.
Please
vote.
No.
Thank
you.
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A
G
Good
evening,
chair,
Kelly
director
flax
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Kade
Sterling
I'm,
a
city
planner
in
the
Community
Development
Department
I'm
joined
with
me
today:
Dr
Sarah,
M,
dreller
she's,
the
chair
of
the
preservation
commission
and
Architectural
historian,
and
also
a
local
Landmark
owner.
G
G
The
first
item,
I'd
like
to
address,
is
really
the
evolution
of
preservation
and
some
common
misconceptions,
one
particularly
that
we're
even
lucky
enough
to
hear
this
evening.
Historic
preservation
has
evolved
very
significantly,
particularly
in
the
last
20
years.
It
was
once
thought
of
as
just
a
built
Heritage,
a
primarily
Heritage
from
the
late
19th
early
20th
century.
It's
really
now.
G
It
lives
right
at
the
intersection
of
a
lot
of
our
very
important
challenges
and
goals
as
a
city
if
we
look
at
climate
resilience,
economic
vitality
and
also
storytelling
what
I
like
to
call
living
Heritage,
which
is
people
places
businesses
stories,
there's
many
misconceptions
and
myths
about
preservation.
The
one
major
one
that
I'd
like
to
address
and
I
think
I
will,
through
this
presentation,
is
that
it
stops
change
that
it
prevents
change
from
happening.
G
G
It's
a
contributor
to
Community,
Health
and
well-being.
Historic
preservation
is
inherent
sustainability
in
its
inherent
as
as
a
solution
for
our
climate
resilience
needs.
It's
also
a
very
powerful
Economic
Development
tool,
the
preservation
and
movement
in
Evanston.
It
really
kind
of
mirrors
what
happened
Nationwide
in
the
60s
and
70s.
It's
a
remarkable
story,
it's
one,
that's
not
told,
probably
as
as
much
and
as
well
as
it
should
be,
but
it's
also
it's
a
high
responsibility
from
the
city
and
it
really
demands
that
we
have
Forward
Thinking
and
sensible
program.
Administration
and
resource
management.
G
The
purview
of
evanston's
preservation,
Pro
commission,
is
really
the
purview
over
the
preservation
program
generally
and
also
they're,
charged
with
protecting,
identifying
and
actively
managing
our
historic,
cultural
and
Architectural
Legacy.
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
thing.
Is
the
early
Commission
in
the
60s
and
70s.
It
was
very
active
with
survey
and
documentation
with
Outreach,
with
education
and
advocacy,
there's
really
kind
of
four
legs
to
a
preservation
program.
One
is
a
community.
G
What
that
did
is
it
removed
a
lot
of
their
volunteer
capacity
to
do
what
they
used
to
do
in
the
past
and
they
had
extremely
high
agendas,
extremely
high
case
loads
for
many
many
many
years,
probably
the
the
best
of
the
last
three
decades,
the
current
commission.
It
has
over
200
years
of
collective
experience.
It's
very
diverse
group.
It
has
preservation
planners
trained,
Architects,
local
Landmark
owners,
there's
many
types
of
applications
and
review
that
kind
of
fall
under
this
all-encompassing
umbrella
of
resource
management.
G
We
do
not
stop
change
from
happening.
What
we're
trying
to
do
through
these
certificate
of
appropriate
reviews
and
active
management
of
these
resources
is
to
sensibly
manage
change,
you're
not
trying
to
stop
it,
and
this
is
done
through
review
standards,
and
these
standards
are
not
unique
to
Evanston
they're
modeled
after
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards.
These
are
the
same
standards
that
are
used
in
almost
every
municipality
across
the
country.
G
G
Accessible
and
reliable
technical
assistance
by
City
staff
in
2022
staff
responded
to
actually
over
400
requests
for
technical
assistance
by
Evanston
residents,
changes
to
the
rules
of
circumstance
for
reviewing
certificates
of
appropriateness.
So
the
commission
is
able
to
dictate
what
types
of
work
go
to
the
commission
and
what
types
of
work
can
be
reviewed
administratively
by
staff.
As
we
started
to
really
review
the
types
of
work
that
became
relatively
routine
over
the
last
couple
years
that
we're
still
going
to
the
commission.
We
changed
that
so
that
those
fell
under
an
administrative
review
process.
G
We
also
created
a
new
subcommittee
called
the
application
pre-review
subcommittee.
This
is
something
the
commission
does
for
review:
applications
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
many
weeks
before
a
commission
meeting
to
look
for
any
areas
where
supplemental
documentation
might
be
asked
for
anywhere
where
there's
holes
in
the
application.
G
We're
really
trying
to
create
efficiency
with
the
review
process
and
make
sure
that
more
cases
are
acted
on
at
one
meeting,
instead
of
continued
to
multiple
meetings
over
and
over
again
and
then
changes
to
in
meeting
procedure,
that's
the
same
thing,
I
just
kind
of
discussed
we're
looking
at
taking
action
as
soon
as
possible.
Having
the
information
we
need
to
take
action
and
also
apply
conditions
instead
of
continuances.
G
G
So
that's
a
significant
reduction
from
in
2017
107
reviews
down
to
33
in
2022,
also
you'll
see
the
percentage
of
cases
that
are
acted
on
in
one
meeting
increase
from
where
it
was
previously
about
half
or
in
some
cases
a
third
to
now.
It's
it's
very
close
to
90
percent
of
cases
are
heard
and
acted
on
in
one
meeting.
G
It's
not
letting
me
change
things
here.
We
are,
and
this
just
demonstrates
what
I'm
talking
about
just
for
2022,
so
88
of
all
preservation
cases
were
reviewed.
Administratively,
eleven
percent
went
to
the
commission
of
those
100
percent
were
approved,
essentially,
eight
of
those
approved
with
conditions
that
were
agreed
to
by
the
homeowner.
G
No
cases
were
appealed
in
2022.
Two
cases
were
withdrawn
for
various
reasons
by
the
applicant
and
from
there
I'd
like
to
turn
it
to
a
chair
driller,
to
really
talk
about
some
very
exciting
opportunities
that
we
had
by
reducing
this
volunteer
burden
on
the
commission,
and
they
were
able
to
really
create
really
an
action-oriented
work
plan
to
kind
of
project
preservation
in
the
future
to
really
serve
all
evanstonians.
So
cheer
jolly.
H
Starts
with
some
big
ideas,
and
then
it
proceeds
kind
of
more
granually
so
that
it
ends
with
a
kind
of
a
set
of
what
we're
calling
initiatives,
which
is
action,
items
that
we
think
are
realistic
for
the
next
20
years
to
try
to
move
the
needle
forward
on
preservation
and
what
we
mean
by
action
items
are.
These
initiatives
is
not
just
what
the
Commissioners
are
going
to
do,
because
we
don't
have
enough
volunteer
capital
for
that.
We're
talking
about
just
sort
of
generally.
H
What
we
think
could
be
done
in
in
Evanston
to
try
to
to
achieve
some
big
goals
by
the
Commissioners,
the
city,
our
local,
Regional
and
State
partners
of
anyone
in
that
has
some
engagement
with
preservation.
H
So
we
start
with
eight
objectives.
We
thought
that
you
would
you
all
would
be
particularly
interested
in
three
of
these
tonight.
The
first
one
that
we
wanted
to
highlight
this
one
here
has
to
do
with
acknowledging
the
diverse
ethnic
and
racial
contributions
that
have
been
made
to
our
culture
of
Evanston
and
making
sure
that
those
voices
are
heard
in
the
future
of
preservation
better
than
they
are
today.
H
Number
number
five
is
to
try
to
align
the
future
of
preservation
in
Chicago
and
Chicago
I'm,
sorry
with
Everson,
with
what
the
city
has
been
doing
on
a
couple
of
key
areas:
climate
resilience,
affordable
housing
and
economic
development
in
particular,
and
then
we
just
kind
of
highlighted
this
one
just
to
make
sure
that
we
publicly
affirm
that
this
is
an
action-oriented
plan.
This
is
not
intended
as
a
set
of
big
ideas
and
we're
going
to
just
flow
it
out
for
people
to
get
excited
about
and
cross
our
fingers
like.
H
H
H
More
engaged,
Dynamic
have
be
facilitate
conversation,
and
one
of
them
is
the
or
these
three
2.10
2.11
and
212
2.12
have
to
do
with
creating
a
structure,
an
organized
structure
to
facilitating
conversation
with
our
partners
and
also
collaboration
2.11,
is
to
be
here
on
a
regular
basis
to
talk
to
you
all
and
to
update
you
on
what
we've
been
doing
and,
to
be
very
honest,
to
hopefully
be
a
resource
for
you
all.
H
If
you
end
up
having
questions
about
preservation,
and
then
2.12
for
me
in
particular,
is
an
important
goal
to
try
to
get
recruit
actively
recruit
more
Commissioners
that
reflect
the
diverse
demographics
in
here
in
Evanston.
We
have
two
open
spots
right
now.
We
will
have
two
in
a
couple
months
from
now,
so
we
are
ready
and
looking
forward
to
having
more.
H
Life
experiences:
it
was
part
of
the
conversation.
H
Okay,
all
right
so
and
then
what
we
thought
we
would
do
just
very
quickly
to
sort
of
around
the
south
is
to
give
you
a
sense
of
some
of
the
other
initiatives.
H
What
we
realized
is
that
the
council,
the
the
draft
goals
that
you
all
have
been
talking
about
at
city
council
kind
of
aligned,
quite
well
with
some
of
the
initiatives
that
we
have
in
2040..
So
we
thought
we
would
just
very
very
quickly
to
show
you
some
of
those
so
for
the
housing
draft
goal
that
you
all
have
been
talking
about.
We
have
in
the
2040
plan
what
work,
what
is
called
a
neighborhood
Conservation,
District
and
I-
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
go
into
what
that
is.
H
But
you're
welcome
to
ask
us
questions
about
that,
but
we
that
that
is
a.
It
comes
up
in
a
couple
of
different
of
the
initiatives
in
the
2040
plan
and
we
hope
that
that
can
be
a
tool
to
help
for
further
city
council
goals.
H
H
Climate
resilience
and
deconstruction
is
an
idea
that
is
being
pushed
forward
throughout
the
country
by
some
Progressive
cities,
and
we
believe
that
Evanston
has
the
capacity
to
be
a
leader
in
this
particular
conversation.
So
this
is
a
big
thing
for
us,
so
we
can
talk
about
deconstruction
if
you're
interested,
Economic,
Development,
there's
lots
of
initiatives.
Economic,
Development
and
preservation
go
pretty
well
together.
H
I
wanted
to
highlight
2.8,
which
is
Legacy
business,
which
program
which
is
already
under
development,
as
you
all
know,
3.1
some
loan
ideas
and
3.5
here
at
the
bottom,
a
Heritage
tourism,
Advisory
Group.
We
had
an
idea
for
these.
Some
of
these
things
are
definitely
we're
hoping
some
Partners
can
come
step
forward
and
help
us
with
this
for
the
finance
one.
H
We
wanted
to
highlight
the
this
idea
that
we've
been
thinking
about
some
permit
fee
waivers
to
make
preservation
best
practices
more
realistic
for
homeowners
and
also
I
was
excited
about
this
Century
home
program
to
make
to
make
it
more
visible
to
the
public
that
there
are
so
many
homes
that
are
over
100
years
old
and
then
finally,
Public
Health.
H
A
Thank
you
so
much.
This
is
very
exciting.
Thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
on
this
on
the
2040
preserve
2040.
questions
from
Innovative.
Well,
no
questions
I,
think
it's
very
exciting.
I
think
everything
that
you
spoke
to
I'm
very
excited
about
I,
especially
love
the
neighborhood
conservation
initiative.
I.
Think
that
will
it's
very
exciting
to
to
really
that
Outreach
to
have
conversations
throughout
the
community.
A
I
think
we'll
do
a
lot
to
strengthen
our
neighborhoods,
to
strengthen
our
community
throughout
Evanston
and
help
build
our
deepen
our
sense
of
identity
and
the
wonderful
aspects
of
Evanston
yeah
others.
Oh
thank.
I
You
I'm
sorry
council,
member
Revell.
All
right.
Thank
you
well,
I
did
want
to
say
this
is
an
amazing
report,
just
so
much
detail
and
so
much
careful
thought
it's
comprehensive.
It's
really
impressive.
It's
I'm
glad
it
envisions
a
lot
of
years
to
get
it
all
done,
because
it's
a
really
huge
job
both
for
the
commission
and
and
there's
a
a
lot,
that's
being
expected
of
the
city
here
so
in
terms
I,
guess
of
Staff,
but
also
in
budgetary,
but
budgetary
expectations
as
well.
I
So
obviously
we
have
to
have
a
lot
of
continued
conversation
as
we
talk
about
implementing
it.
I
want
to
just
mention
a
couple
parts
that
I
really
appreciated.
One
was
your
I
think
it's
policy
4.1
to
create
new
Educational
Tools
to
help
residents
appreciate
the
rich,
architectural
Heritage
and
then
and
the
other
times.
You
talked
in
the
plan
about
providing
resources
for
homeowners,
Landmark
owners
to
help
them
understand.
I
You
know
how
to
how
to
how
to
how
to
how
to
approach
the
commission
if
they,
if
they
need
to
make
changes
and
things
like
that
I
guess
I
do.
My
question,
though,
is
I
notice?
You
talking
about
the
Oakland
district
and
that's
currently
I
guess
a
national
district,
and
your
idea
is
to
expand
that
to
become
a
local
district
and
then,
as
you
know,
we
heard
tonight
from
residents
about
the
Northeast
Evanston,
the
north
Evanston
district
and
the
concerns
about
residents
not
wanting
to
be
part
of
the
national
District.
I
G
I
think
the
first
thing
to
be
really
cognizant
of
is
that
there
are
things
mentioned
in
the
plan
that
we
cannot
do
on
our
own.
So,
for
example,
both
of
these
nominations
that
you're
talking
about
that's
something
the
city
council
would
determine.
Ultimately,
the
first
I'll
address
the
Oakton
one,
because
I
think
it's
relatively
unique
as
far
as
our
historic
districts
go,
because
it
has
much
more
of
what
I
call
vernacular
resources
in
it.
G
These
vernacular
resources
are
very
unique
to
that:
neighborhood,
they're,
very
lovely,
they're,
very
important
to
that
community's
identity
and
that
neighborhood's
identity,
vernacular
resources
are
also
very
susceptible
to
change
and
improper
change
and
alterations.
We
actually
receive
many
many
requests
by
residents
in
the
Oakton
District
asking
why
things
are
happening.
Why
are
these
inappropriate
changes
happening
to
this
home
down
the
block?
Why
did
this
second
story?
How
did
that
get
approved?
And
the
answer
is
that
we
have
no
control
it's
a
federal
district.
G
Only
we
offer
technical
assistance
to
those
residents
if
they
ask
for
it,
but
we
have
no
control
over
the
changes
that
are
made
so
I
think
that
it
there
is
some
interest
in
that
neighborhood
already
in
having
more
control
over
what
happens,
but
certainly
there
would
have
to
be
a
lot
of
Outreach
in
education.
I
think
also
something
we
talked
about
is
a
Conservation
District
which,
to
put
in
a
in
a
very
simple
way,
it's
kind
of
a
preservation
light.
G
It's
also
a
preservation
that
the
neighborhood
dictates,
not
what
the
city
dictates
necessarily,
so
there
might
be
certain
alterations
that
that
neighborhood
thinks
are
inappropriate.
That
could
be
managed
where
other
things
that
would
be
currently
actively
managed
under
our
ordinance
wouldn't
be.
So
there
is
some
flexibility
in
that.
As
far
as
the
Northeast
historic
district,
there
are
two
specific
initiatives
within
that
that
I
think
were
referenced.
One
is
to
re-survey
that
District
preservation,
best
practices
is
really
to
re-survey
a
district
about
every
10
years.
G
That
district
has
not
been
re-surveyed,
since
its
creation
also
best
practice
is
to
re-survey
the
entire
federal
district,
not
just
the
Local
District,
and
that's
really
to
get
a
baseline
understanding
for
what
kind
of
alterations
are
happening.
G
What
kind
of
impact
to
the
structure's
Integrity
is
happening,
whether
they're
changes
to
structures
that
were
previously
listed
as
contributing
that
now
are
non-contributing
resources,
and
then
the
second
initiative
is
to
advocate
for
and
I
think
that
key,
that's
a
very
key
term
is
that
we
are
saying
that
we
would
like
to
advocate
for
that
to
be
a
local
District.
If
that
survey
comes
back
and
shows
that
there
have
been
a
lot
of
improper
change
to
that
district
and
the
degradation
of
character
and
integrity.
I
Does
and
I
guess
I
would
just
I
mean
in
23
years
a
number
of
residents
views
might
have
changed,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
pretend
that
we
should.
You
know,
move
ahead
with
a
expanding
the
district
without
lots
of
conversation
with
the
community
to
absolutely
to
see
what
their
thoughts
are.
Absolutely.
H
Oh,
thank
you.
I
was
just
going
to
note.
You
mentioned
initiative,
4.1
the
education
one
and
I
just
wanted
to
note
what
two
months
ago
now
we
changed
the
rules
and
procedures
for
the
preservation
commission
to
add
two
committees,
and
one
of
them
is
an
education
committee
to
address
that
particular
initiative.
H
So
that
was
high
on
the
on
the
agenda
for
us
that
was
high
priority
and,
while
I'm
talking
about
what
we
did
a
couple
months
ago
to
create
committees,
the
other
committee
was
the
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
committee
and
the
first
sort
of
business,
for
that
is
what
I
was
just
talking
about
a
few
minutes
ago
with
recruiting
new
commissioners.
K
Right,
thank
you.
Yeah
I
will
reiterate
what
folks
have
already
said
quite
an
impressive
plan
and
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
this
did
not
cost
us
anything
other
than
staff
time.
Just
staff
time.
Council,
member.
G
G
There
was,
there
was
a
certainly
a
lot
of
volunteers
on
the
commission,
but
we
also
had
a
lot
of
volunteers
from
partner
organizations
and
also
residents
that
participated.
Okay,.
K
K
Historical
preservation
is
not
my
I.
Don't
have
a
background
this
so
I
just
have
what
are
probably
some
basic
questions,
but
can
you
define
the
word
vernacular
and
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
word
in
the
context
that
it's
being
used
tonight?
If
we're
talking
about
Latin,
Mass,
I'm,
I,
know
what
you're
talking
about.
H
Step
in
talking
about
working
for
free
now
vernacular
has
is
a
term
that's
with
a
lowercase
V.
So
it's
not
a
style,
it's
in
fact
sort
of
the
opposite
of
high
style,
so
you
would
have
Gothic
or
you
would
have
classical
or
you
would
have
you
know
the
the
modern
with
capital
M
and
then
you
have
vernacular
which
is
sort
of
the
everyday
buildings
that
are
truly
the
vast
majority
of
the
landscape.
H
K
G
Is
this
is
a
great
one?
I
could
have
listed,
probably
20
misconceptions
and
myths
about
preservation.
The
the
misconception
is
that
a
federal
designation
is
the
top
tier
that
you
can't
do
anything
without
going
to
the
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
It's
really
quite
the
opposite,
unless
you're
accessing
federal
funds
for
the
action
that
is
threatening
that
resource
there's
no
review
at
all.
G
G
Between
we
don't
have
a
state
preservation
program
anymore.
We
used
to
I
think
Governor
rounder
got
rid
of
it.
Okay,.
K
So
I
have
a
question
about
cost
and
I'm
glad
we
put
this
report
and
plan
together
for
free,
because
I
anticipate
that
implementing
this
plan
would
cost
a
pretty
penny
over
the
next
several
decades.
Any
idea
how
much.
K
G
Head
I
think
you,
you
have
to
lean
very
heavily
on
your
volunteer
capital
and
your
partner
organizations
to
take
on
a
lot
of
this.
If
there's
a
pretty
robust
implementation,
section
and
Matrix
in
the
back
end
of
this
report,
it
identifies
a
responsible
party,
there's
also
a
chart
that
shows
initiatives
that
the
commission
would
Undertake
and
initiatives
that
we
would
seek.
Assistance
for
and
it's
I
think
that's
pretty
balanced,
but
it
it
shows
that
really
the
city
and
the
commission
doesn't
shoulder
all
of
that
load.
G
G
The
only
ones
I
can
think
of
are
certainly
the
the
resurveys
I
would
I
would
look
at
it.
You
know
that
is
much
more
efficient
for
a
consultant
to
do
that
type
of
work.
That's
probably
somewhere.
G
You
know
forty
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
survey
project.
We
are
also
a
certified
local
government
in
Evanston,
so
we
can
apply
for
funding
to
try
to
offset
some
of
that
cost.
Okay,
great.
K
I'll
I'll
Echo,
some
of
what
council
member
Ravel
said
regarding
public
engagement
and
just
make
it
clear
that
approving
this
plan
tonight
doesn't
mean
we
are
approving
implementation
of
every
suggestion
that
is
in
it.
We
really
just
be
committing
ourselves
to
a
process
to
consider
this
stuff
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
impose
a
historic
district
on
anybody
who
doesn't
currently
have
one
without
robust
public
engagement
leading
up
to
an
eventual
vote.
Man
I
appreciate
your
acknowledgment
of
our
climate
action
goals
and
I,
like
everything
that
you've
said.
K
G
Yeah
and
specifically,
we
do
get
a
lot
of
requests
for
solar
installations.
This
is
an
area
where
the
commission
I
believe
in
2020
created
a
set
of
very
specific
guidelines
that
were
adopted
to
allow
solar
installations
to
be
approved.
Administratively
I
think
the
vast
majority
are
approved
just
under
the
normal,
permitting
process.
Now.
K
Right,
yeah
and
I
know
that
there
was
one
particular
solar
project,
that
kind
of
precipitated
a
conversation
and
the
commission
did
some
homework
and
and
got
together
with
the
Utilities
Commission,
and
there
was
some
kind
of
education
that
led
to
this
process.
I
might
like
to
see
that
kind
of
flexibility
moving
forward,
especially
when
it
comes
to
climate
action.
A
Okay,
no
other
questions
or
comments.
I
think
I,
think
public
com,
we're
finished
with
public
comments.
So
thank
you
very
very
much
for
the
nice
presentation.
All
your
hard
work
on
The
Preserve
2040
plan.
Okay.
So
we
will
now
take
a
roll
I
guess.
B
B
A
Aye
objections:
okay,
that
passes.
Thank
you.
Okay,
let's
see,
would
somebody
like
to
move
item
P3
Madam.
K
I
L
M
M
N
I'm
actually
going
to
speak
to
a
few
things
as
we
go
along.
First
of
all,
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
know
the
Hawthorne
brand
Hawthorne
Suites
is
an
Extended
Stay
product
in
Cindy
upper
mid-scale
chain
of
hotels.
That
Wyndham
has.
N
We
have
about
seven
thousand
properties,
Stateside
and
9000
globally,
we're
the
largest
hotel
company
in
the
world
right
now
and
we
are
partnering
wanting
to
partner
very
much
so
with
Mr,
kaleem
and
and
his
family
in
taking
this
building
and
really
moving
it
toward
the
Hawthorne
Extended
State
brand.
So
this
is
just
a
rendering
sort
of
the
front
desk
at
this
point.
He
they
they
have
done
some
of
the
drawings
here.
N
Mr
Emil
is
also
suggesting
putting
in
a
private
dining
of
his
own
restaurant
there,
potentially
a
an
Italian
design
restaurant
so
that
that
space
would
actually,
as
you
come
in
off
the
front
desk
or
off
the
front
lobby,
you
would
go
into
the
restaurant.
That
would
also
have
patios
seating
out
back
again.
All
of
our
Hawthorns
would
have
a
fitness
center
standard
fitness
center
in
them
that
would
have
pre-core
interactive
equipment.
N
M
N
N
So
this
is
the
this
is
the
room
as
it's
as
a
sits
right
now
again
we
would
have
our
own
Hawthorne
Haven
package,
where
it
would
be
different,
Furniture
other
than
the
actual
fridge
and
kitchen
area.
M
N
That
would
be
looking
into
the
restaurant
from
the
lobby
as
you
came
in
right,
and
that
would
be
the
proposed
opening
out
to
the
patio
on
the
backside.
M
N
The
breakfast
area
would
be
to
your
right,
because
every
guest
that
stays
with
with
Hawthorne
gets
a
complimentary
breakfast.
M
M
N
Yeah
just
a
meeting
space,
some
of
the
some
of
the
space
would
be
multi-purpose
for
meetings,
a
business
room.
M
N
This
is
just
at
this
point:
we're
we're
in
the
early
stages
of
trying
to
really
determine
how
to
integrate
these
signage
and
and
maintain
the
Integrity
of
the
building.
So
we
just
this
was
just
an
idea
that
Mr
Mill
came
and
and
put
together
just
for
tonight.
You
know,
as
a
you
know,
the
the
we
are
not
proposing
in
any
way
that
we
would
take.
N
You
know
neon
signs
up
and
down
the
you
know,
exterior
of
the
building
and
and
we
we
definitely
work
with
cities
across
the
United
States
to
preserve
the
area
and
the
look
and
feel
of
the
community
in
order
to
you
know
not
take
away
but
giving
it
an
identity
anyway.
M
N
So,
just
just
to
speak
to
again
a
little
bit
about
Wyndham.
We
we
have
there's
hawthornes.
There
are
actually
72
right
now
and
there's
actually
now
six
in
Illinois,
so
we
are
growing.
We
have
a
lot
of
new.
A
lot
of
the
brand
is
going
to
what
is
considered
a
dual
brand
La
Quinta
Hawthorne,
so
you're
seeing
a
lot
of
those
built
from
ground
death
today.
N
Obviously
this
does
it
really
lend
itself
to
a
dual
brand
and
being
in
the
college
community
and
in
the
you
know
the
neighborhood
that
were
that
the
building
is
located
really
looking
at
the
the
Extended
Stay
element.
For
that
standpoint,
and
really
some
of
the
activities
that
that
are
here
locally,
that
that
would
tend
to
lend
itself
to
four
to
seven
nights
days
again.
We
we're
really
excited
to
work
with
Mr
Hamill.
N
We
we
go
through
a
very
intense
process,
really
I've,
not
I've,
been
working
with
him
now
for
about
four
a
little
over
four
months
now,
trying
to
to
Really
make
sure
that
we're
doing
make
sure
that
we
are
proposing
the
the
right
product
as
well
as
to
the
right
individual
and
without
a
doubt
he
is
well
qualified
to
absolutely
do
this
product
for
us
anyway.
N
We
we
have
a
system
in
place
that
probably
50
percent
of
our
hotels
over
50
percent,
really
on
a
on
a
national
level,
are
single
independent
owners,
and
you
know
they
and,
and
the
typical
size
of
those
hotels
are
anywhere
from
probably
60
to
85
rooms,
which
is
right
in
the
Wheelhouse
that
we,
we
typically
work
with
individuals
who
have
never
had
a
hotel
in
their
life
right
I
mean
it's.
It's
designed
to
be
a
model
that
you
can
adopt
and
and
run
fairly
simple.
N
We
have
a
very
extensive
training
program
that
happens
before
the
before
the
building
opens
to
train
staff
on
not
only
the
the
clean,
the
cleaning
of
the
rooms,
but
the
the
software
that
is
utilized
for
on
a
daily
basis,
too
check
people
in
check
people
out
right,
and
then
we
have
ongoing
for
the
first
six
months.
We
have
ongoing
training.
We
have
a
remote
salesperson
that
works
with
property
on
on
a
weekly
basis
daily
basis
really,
and
that
is
required
for
six
months
when
they
first
open,
as
well
as
a
remote
salesperson.
N
So
they
actually
get
two
dedicated
people,
and
then
we
have
a
director
of
operations
that
actually
lives
in
the
Chicago
area,
which
is
very
fortunate
because
not
everybody
else
in
Illinois
gets
that
much
possibility
of
him
popping
in
any
time.
But
we
have
a
continued
support
and
we're
one
of
the
only
Brands
out
there
Windham
that
has
a
dedicated
person
for
each
property
that
they
that
they
can
actually
get
help
and
support
with
and
and
I
know,
I've
gone
on,
probably
too
much.
M
Like
to
say
one
thing,
and
then
you
can
ask
Linda
any
question
you
want
I
just
want
to
clear
from
our
last
meeting
long-term
I
think
we
we
had
the
discussion
about
25
percent
Transit
and
there
was
some
concern
that
is
going
to
be
all
transit
did
stay.
This
hotel
is
mainly
is
going
to
be
serving
the
university
mainly
in,
and
we're
going
to
have
overnight
we're
going
to
have
a
weekly
people.
Stay
weekly.
M
We
have
people
to
stay
three
months,
some
Professor
coming
here,
but
we
don't
want
to
say
you
see
the
hotel
business.
The
most
important
thing
is
the
occupancy.
You
have
to
keep
High
occupancy
or
you
can
pay
your
bills.
So
we
don't
know
one
day,
maybe
in
Winter
we're
gonna
have
more
Transit
daily
than
than
people
for
a
month
or
two
or
a
week
or
two
weeks
in
summer.
So
we're
going
to
be
flexible
all
the
year,
but
it
is
not
like.
It
is
not
a
hotel.
You
go
there
walk
for
a
day.
M
A
Okay,
councilmember
newsma.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
on
that
topic,
Mr,
haleem
and
and
Mr
Leonard.
What's
I'm,
sorry
I
didn't
catch
your
last
name,
Clifton
Mr
Clifton!
If
you
could
speak
to
the
percentage
of
guests,
that
might
be,
you
know
short-term
versus
long
term,
based
on
the
other
hotels
in
in
your
chain
and
if
I'm
looking
at
that
map
looks
like
one
of
them
might
be
in
Champaign.
K
N
Right
before
Schaumburg
Schoenberg,
so
we
we
do
have
some
locally.
As
far
as
the
Hawthorne
Extended
Stay
yeah
Hawthorne
Extended
Stay
is
truly,
you
know
again
the
elements
that
it
had.
Oh.
C
D
N
I'm,
sorry,
the
elements
that
it
has
by
nature
and
by
default
doesn't
attract
a
very
transient
customer.
It's
it's.
The
Extended
Stay
brand
typically
is
seven
to
ten
days,
I
mean
and
it
is
designed
for
somebody
that
needs
those
cooktop
right
or
somebody
that's
going
to
need
a
washer
and
a
dryer.
Somebody
that's
going
to
need.
N
You
know
a
larger
refrigerator
rather
than
the
two
cubic
feet,
one
that
you
know,
college
students
have
so
it
is
by
default,
designed
for
that
and
would
be
priced
accordingly.
Just
so
so
you
know
just
to
speak,
it
would
definitely
be
and
I
think,
probably
the
questionnaire
that
was
turned
in
the
the
definition
transient
by
Nature
was
maybe
taken
incorrectly
and
when
I
you
know,
because
all
of
our
guests
are
transient,
but
it's
just.
How
long
are
they
staying
right?
I
mean
they're.
They
don't
enter
into
leases.
N
If
you
will
it's
not
an
apartment
complex,
but
so
that's
probably
a
little
bit
of
the
misconception
there,
but
typically
it's
seven
to
ten
days
and-
and
he
is
right-
I
mean
many
times
we
have
customers
that
will
stay
30
days.
60
days
you
know
apartment
corporate
relocation.
Centers
will
actually
you
know
our
sales.
People
will
go
to
corporate
corporations
and
say
hey.
We
can
do
corporate
housing
for
you
for
30
to
60
days.
M
I
talked
to
the
owner
of
Homestead,
the
one
in
Inman,
very
successful
hotel,
and
he
said
they
very
common
to
have
professors
coming
to
the
university
sabbatical
for
three
months.
Two
months:
it's
going
to
be
a
combination,
but
at
any
time
you
you
cannot
know
really
what
you
do
today,
like
maybe
sometime
and
for
us
really
to
make
the
hotel
business
it's
really
a
daily
Hotel,
normal
hotel,
I
think
average
per
year
is
60,
occupancy
and
I
think
any
time
you
find
somebody
who
want
to
stay
three
four
months.
M
Even
if
you
charge
him
half
of
the
rent
is
going
to
be
better
for
the
hotel
to
have
some
stability
like
if
I
have
20
30
long
term,
like
Professor
coming
for
a
month
two
months,
I
think
it's
stabilize
the
hotel.
So
when
we
run
the
hotel
we'll
be
looking
for
to
serve
longer
with
the
university
than
people
coming
every
day.
In
the
meantime,
when
you
have
an
event
like
you
have
a
football
game
or
or
event
the
the
price,
the
room
is
very
high
because
there's
so
much
demand,
so
we
don't
lose
that.
M
K
So
average
stay
might
be
seven
to
ten
days,
some
long
or
some
shorter,
but
average
say
seven
to
ten
days.
But
in
any
case
it
is
a
hotel
you
know
qualifying
as
as
an
apartment
Hotel,
because
our
code
leaves
that
you're
open
to
use
that
definition
as
it
exists
and
we
used
to
have
a
hotel
across
the
street.
K
But
let's
acknowledge
that
this
is
an
R6
residential
district
and
hotels
are
not
an
allowable
use
not
allowed
at
all
in
in
a
residential
district,
we
used
to
have
one
across
the
street
it
qualified
not
as
a
hotel
but
as
a
rooming
house.
So
as
the
fourth
ward
council
member
I'm,
not
necessarily
opposed
to
having
a
hotel
here,
but
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
that
before.
We
have
some
more
neighborhood
impact
before
we
have
some
more
neighborhood
engagement
and
so
I.
K
Thank
you
for
agreeing
to
meet
with
the
neighborhood
Saturday
afternoon
five
o'clock
at
the
at
the
king,
home
itself
and
Leonard
you'll.
Be
there
as
well
I,
I,
hope,
well,
I'll,
try!
You
can
make
it
great
great
and
so
I'd
like
to
get
some
some
feedback
from
the
community
before
you
know
before
I'm
comfortable
approving
a
hotel
in
that
in
that
location,
but
I'm
open
to
it.
No.
M
One
thing
I
think
you
have
the
meeting
about
restaurant.
How
is
the
town
suffering
from
restaurant
and
the
the
the
the
the
the
hotel
in
the
the
one
you?
It
has
one
of
the
best
hotels
in
Evans,
which
was
I,
think
Le
panzero
and
it's
closed
and
I
think
we're
planning
to
open
a
magnificent
restaurant
in
that
of
the
lobby.
As
the
court
allow
it's
going
to
be
beautiful,
it's
going
to
be
big.
It's
going
to
have
the
outdoor
Garden,
so
I
think
we
we
are
going
to
do
something
very
nice
in
this
town.
M
They
want
everybody
to
agree,
but
I
want
really
all
of
you
to
take
from
the
the
the
the
the
the
and
we
can
discuss
this
from
the
ordinance
you
have
that
we
have
to
have
a
third
Party
come
a
company
to
manage
it.
We
cannot
live
with
that.
I
have
a
family,
my
three
daughters
and
my
my
me
and
my
wife,
and
we
have
even
our
second
Generations
coming
out
of
college.
We
have
a
my
oldest
daughter,
she's,
going
to
finish
business
school
master's
degree
from
best
schools
in
the
country.
M
I
have
my
grandson.
Coming
from
Washington,
University
and-
and
we
want
to
manage
it
ourselves-
I
do
not
trust
I
have
paid
in
that
building,
20
million
dollars
to
buy
it,
and
until
now
I
spent
five
million
dollars
in
improving
it
to
be
an
assisted
living
and
we're
going
to
spend
Mr
Leonard.
This
is
not
very
easy.
M
We're
going
to
spend
another
three
four
billion
dollars
and
we
have
to
have
control
so
I
hope
that
we
can
discuss
this
and
if
I
have
I
can
give
you
I,
send
you
all
my
bio
and
you
can
see
my
history,
my
organization,
we
run
the
best
museum
across
the
street.
The
museum
has
many
Food
Services.
We
do.
You
can
just
go
to
the
internet
and
see
our
reviews
for
weddings
and
parties
and
I
think
hundreds
of
reviews
they
just
so
happy
with
what
what
they.
K
Want
if
I
could
move
the
conversation
along
here
and
ask
Mr
Pickering
to
address
that
management
issue
and
you
know
across
your
brand
Nationwide
how
many
of
your
properties
are
managed
by
a
third-party
company
somebody
different
than
the
property
owner?
Actually,
it's
Clifton
Clifton.
Sorry,
that's.
N
K
N
Know
for
record
there
I
didn't
want
to
be
be
off,
but
anyway
that's
what
I
was
speaking
to
earlier
well
over
60
well,
over
50
60,
probably
65
percent
of
our
hotels
are
actually
independently
owned
and
managed
by
the
owner
that
the
model
itself
that
that
is
growing
in
in
the
United
States
right
now
is
the
is
really
the
upper
mid
scale
product,
so
everything's
around
100
rooms.
N
You
know
the
new
builds
are
all
around
100
rooms
anywhere
from
again,
probably
85
to
120
is
probably
what
the
new
construction
is
right
at
the
moment,
and
it
just
doesn't
lend
itself
because
you
know
a
lot
of
the
management
companies
are
pretty,
are
very
expensive
to
to
come
in
and
and
own
that
we
have
that's
why
we
have
the
resources
internally
to
really
help
support,
not
only
on
a
you
know,
daily
basis,
but
monthly
and
and
a
lot
of
different
visitations
that
we
have
with
with
the
properties
and
the
training
like
they.
N
K
But
you
do
have
the
infrastructure
to
train
the
operator
if
they're
new
to
hotel
management.
N
Yeah
absolutely
I
mean,
if
you
think
about
our
customer
or
not
our
customer.
Our
our
staffing
model
lends
itself
to
a
lot
of
turnover
a
lot
of
high
turnovers,
especially
with
college
kids,
who
work
front
desk
college
kids
that
run
night
audit.
You
know
they
they
want
to
work
the
summer
or
maybe
a
semester
or
whatever
the
case
we're
constantly
retraining
and
training
and
retraining.
M
Thank
you.
A
little
bit
comment
about
this
I
think
there
are
suggesting
that
we
have
the
higher
approximately
40
employees
to
run
the
they're
going
to
charge
us
between
10
to
12.
If
we
get
a
management
company,
there
are
no
way
we
can
pay
the
management
account
by
another
eight
percent
and
pay
him
and
pay
our
employee
make
the
payroll,
and
this
building
can
make
it
so
economically
if
we
hire
a
management
company.
M
This
is
the
first
recipe
for
not
to
do
the
budget
so
and
I
think
we
have
my
I
sent
all
of
you,
my
bio
and
I
think
we
have
enough
experience
in
our
company.
We
did
so
many
very
things
we
do
so
that
we
can
run
this
with
the
help
of
them
little
bit,
help
of
them
and
their
computer
program,
and
things
like
this
will
have
no
problem
running
the
building.
So
thank.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
are
giving
a
very
thorough
presentation.
I
appreciate
the
line
of
questioning
from
my
colleague
and
I
promise.
This
isn't
a
gotcha
question,
but
I
just
want
to
confirm
what
I've
heard.
Do
you
all
happen
to
know
what
the
vacancy
rate
for
hotels
is
in
our
area.
N
N
The
first
thing
we
do
is
we'll
do
a
select
set
of
hotels
that
are,
relatively
speaking
within
the
same
class
right
upper
upper
mid
scale,
and
we
usually
take
a
sample
size
of
about
five
or
six
hotels,
those
sample
size,
because
we
we
feel
that
we
should
be
able
to
get
our
fair
share
of
that
pie.
N
So
we
we
look
at
at
a
slice
of
that
to
see
how
they
are
running
and
typically,
unless
it's
over
60
percent
we're
we're
not
even
going
to
suggest
to
go
into
the
market
right,
because
it's
just
it
it
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
you
all
of
a
sudden.
You
have
way
too
much
Supply
and
the
demand
just
can't
keep
up
with
it.
I
can
tell
you
specifically
and
I:
can
he
can
have
that
number
for
you
on
Saturday,
but
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
and
I.
B
My
I'm
I
will
not
be
at
that
meeting.
I
am
not
the
fourth
word
council,
member
and
I
appreciate
Jonathan,
taking
the
time
for
that
so
I've,
so
your
number
is
at
least
60
percent.
Are
there
Industries
is
that
is
that
an
industry
standard
is
that
Wyndham
standard.
N
It's
just
good
bit:
yeah
I
mean
it's
just
a
guide
right
I
mean
it's
more
than
anything.
It's
just
a
guideline
because
what
happens
in
a
situation
like
this
will
take.
You
know
we'll
take
those.
While
we
would
anticipate
revenues.
Projected
revenues
right,
I
mean
you've,
got
you've
got
to
do
a
performer
to
take
to
the
bank
for
loan,
or
you
know,
if
he's
pulling
it
out
of
his
pocket
or
wherever
I
mean
you
still
have
to
have
an
understanding
of
what
kind
of
performer
and
how
the
hotel
is
going
to
perform.
N
M
M
During
the
very
busy
day
you
can
I
had
a
group
came
from
Egypt
in
a
convention
here
and
we
have
to
pay
450
a
night
in
the
holiday
end
because
the
town
was
booked
like
someday
the
the
and
and
you
got
much
higher
fee
in
these
days.
So
the
60
percent
is
not
like
an
apartment
building
you.
You
cannot
run
an
apartment
building
for
sick,
but
you
design
your
hotel
rate
that
the
more
occupied
the
more
money
you
get.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
I
the
the
well
I'm
going
to
end
that
line
of
question,
because
I
didn't
get
a
a
definite
answer
and
that's
okay.
For
now
and
and
I,
don't
I've
heard
that
it
potentially
is
80,
but
I
I,
I
I,
don't
know
for
certain
and
I
have
not
verified
that.
So.
B
I'll
say
that
I,
and
certainly
this
is
in
the
fourth
ward,
the
council
member
is
is
certainly
rep
is
going
to
represent
his
constituents.
I
am
Curious.
Do
we
know
if
there
are
apartment?
Hotels
like
this
in
Evanston
I
mean
I.
Think
maybe
the
closest
is
the
extended
stay
in
Skokie.
Is
that
correct
incorrect.
N
No,
no
High
house
is
Extended
Stay
it
has,
it
has
the
same
now.
Higher
place
is
the
the
more
transient
one,
but
but
Hyatt
House
is
an
Extended
Stay
product.
Yes,
Hawthorne
would
be
like
Residence
Inn
house,
those
those
types
of
Extended
Stay
products,
yeah.
B
I
have
a
I'm,
gonna
call
a
which
seems
like
a
strange
question
director
oboe
since
you're
in
the
room
you
can
help.
Do
we
ever
partner
with
any
I
know
that
quite
often
and
here's
where
I'm
going
with
this
too
often
in
our
community?
B
We
have
families
who
you
know,
there's
a
fire
or
some
other
emergency
that
happens
and
we
need
to
put
people
in
housing,
sometimes
for
for
a
long
time,
director
and
I
know
that
when
I've
worked
with
director
ogbeau
helping
residents
in
the
eighth
Ward,
typically,
we
send
them
to
the
Extended
Stay
in
Skokie.
Is
that
because
we
don't
have
strong
Partnerships
with
some
of
the
Extended
Stay
housing
options
here
in
Evanston?
Is
that
just
a
more
affordable
option
in
Skokie.
J
Good
day
I
Global,
director,
Health
and
Human
Services
Department,
it
all
boils
down
to
cost
where
our
money
will
stretched
further,
because
there's
some
situations,
as
you
know,
councilmember
read
where
individuals
will
stay
in
a
hotel
based
on
their
circumstances
weeks
on
end,
so
we're
trying
to
ensure
that
our
dollar
stretches
as
far
as
possible,
and
not
only
that
that
these
facilities
provide
rooms
or
facilities
where
individuals
can
actually
cook.
So
that's
that's
pretty
much.
The
main
reason
why
we
we
go
to
Extended
Stay
in
Skokie,
mainly
and.
J
B
You
and
do
you
know
how
your
rates
may
compare
to
the
extended
stay
in
school.
What
is
that
brand
in
Skokie?
Is
it
just
Extended.
N
Spend
a
lot
of
time
in
Illinois,
but
I
I,
without
knowing
I
think
Esa
is
extended
to
stay
America.
Is
that
the
one
that
you
all
use.
N
Brand
is
there's
so
many
different
types,
I
mean
I,
wouldn't
want
to
to
really
yeah
the.
B
Reason
I
ask:
is
I'm
curious
how
your
rates
may
compare,
and
you
know
I'm
we'll
see
what
comes
of
the
meeting
on
Saturday
with
residents.
I
would
imagine
folks
don't
want
a
vacant
building
in
their
in
their
Warden
would
like
to
see
buildings
utilized,
but
I
will
leave
that
to
the
fourth
wood
residents
to
decide
and
I'm
curious.
B
One
thing
I
would
love
to
see
from
from
the
perspective
of
the
as
the
eighth
award
council
member
is
if
a
part
of
this
deal
is
that
we
have
a
strong
relationship
with
you
all,
and
you
know
when
there
is
a
fire
or
some
other
emergency,
that
you
know
the
City
of
Evanston.
B
If
we
need
a
place
to
put
families
in
an
emergency
that
we
have
an
option
here
locally,
which
I
mean
I,
don't
the
Extended
Stay
in
Skokie
I,
don't
know
if
folks,
ever
driven
by
that
or
been
there,
but
it's
very
secluding.
If
you're,
not
someone
with
a
car,
it
is
impossible
not
impossible,
particularly
if
you
have
kids
it's
very
dangerous
and
hard
to
access
plane.
B
Services,
you
know
groceries
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
Evanston
is
a
beautifully
walkable
City,
where
you
can,
particularly
in
our
downtown
access
everything
you
need,
and
so
I
I.
You
know
we'll
get
there
when
we
get
there,
but
I
just
would
like
to
throw
that
plug
in
that.
If
we
get
to
the
point
where
we're
approving
this
I
would
I
would
love
to
see
a
strong
partnership
between
the
city.
Well,.
N
Councilman
rain
to
speak
to
that
there
are
one.
There
are
several
different
types
of
you
were
asking
about
the
rate
and
how
rate
Compares
you
have
economy
right
and
that's
sort
of
the
the
lowest
cheapest
brand.
Typically,
that
you
can
get
into
then
you
have
mid-scale
mid
scale.
Is
God
I'll
not
throw
anybody
into
a
bucket
at
this
point,
but
then
you
have
upper
mid
scale
and
that's
what
where
Hawthorne
is
right?
N
So
you
you
have
economy,
you
have
mid-scale,
then
you
have
upper
mid
scale
and
then
you
go
to
what's
considered
full
service,
and
then
you
have
luxury
right
and
then
there's
those
categories
of
the
resorts
and
things
that
nature.
So
the
the
upper
mid
scale
is
typically
going
to
be
priced
above.
The
median
right,
so
I
mean
literally,
you
know,
they're
not
going
to
be,
and
you
and
you
are
priced
based
on
your
amenities
that
you
offer
and
and
your
product.
You
know
to
speak
to
that.
N
You
know
he.
You
know,
depending
on
the
level
of
the
amenities
that
he's
paying
for
at
the
other,
extended
stay
that
he's
putting
him
up.
You
know
it
could
be
a
much
cheaper
model
to
run
or
a
much
cheaper.
You
know
Baseline
to
be
able
to
make
profit
on.
So
it
really.
You
can't
really
it's
tough
right
to
say.
Okay,
can
you
compete
well
he's,
never
he's
not
going
to
be
able
to
compete
at
an
economy
with
the
investment
that
he's
going
into.
M
I
think
the
the
the
the
wrong
the
the
the
most
of
the
Suites
we
have
like
like
me
like
a
small
stood
like
they
have
two
rooms,
one
room
to
sleep
and
one
room
sitting
down
and
really
it's
not
a
family
like
you
can't
have
a
somebody
in
a
home
has
took
his
is
not
going
to
be
suitable
if
somebody's
single,
maybe
he
can
or
a
couple-
maybe
they
can.
They
can
go
there,
but
I
think
it's
I
think
the
extent
the
skull
cause
stains
cocoa.
Maybe
they
have
bigger
rooms.
M
B
Don't
know:
okay,
well,
I,
appreciate
that,
and
last
here
I
received
a
a
text
from
staff,
and
this
is
a
citing
co-star,
which
I
believe
is
one
of
the
aggregators
of
information
regarding
occupancy
of
hotels
and
housing
units,
and
what
I'm
seeing
here
is
that
Chicago
has-
and
this
is
from
2022
that
Chicago
has
an
occupancy
rate
at
60
and
61
percent,
whether
it's
Chicago
or
Chicago,
CBD
plus
I,
don't
know
Chicago
CBD
plus
stands
for,
but
North
Chicago
North
of
Chicago.
M
I
think
we
are
going
to
have.
We
do
always
the
best
our
structure
is
going
to
be.
Our
hotel
is
going
to
be
the
best
and
I
hope
we
can
expand
this
hotel
from
being
only
to
Everson
and
get
people
from
Chicago
like
we
have
the
the
museum
across
the
street.
We
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
come
from
France
and
England.
We
have.
M
That's
what
I
think,
because
we
always
do
the
best
if
you
didn't,
if
you
go
to
our
Museum
you're
gonna,
see
that's
the
best
museum
in
the
world,
and
we
expect
this
hotel
to
be
very,
very
nice,
be
like
no
hotel
in
Evanston
is
going
to
compete
with
us,
we'll
be
better
to
have
every
one
of
them,
one
of
them
Construction
Services,
we're
gonna,
be
in
the
top.
So.
B
I've
never
stayed
in
a
hotel
in
Evanston
if
that's
true
I'll
come
stay
at
okay.
Well,
that
I
I
appreciate
your
Candor
there
and
the
answers
that
you
provided.
Certainly
looking
forward
to
hearing
councilmember
nusma,
give
us
feedback
on
what
the
community
says
and
looking
forward.
I
presume
I,
don't
want
to
jump
ahead
here,
but.
K
I
presume
we're
going
to
I
will
be
making
a
motion
to
hold
this
until
our
May
8th
meeting
but
I.
If
anybody
else
on
the
committee
would
like
to
weigh
in
here,
I'll
hold
on
a
minute
when.
K
This
Saturday
5
p.m,
at
the
property
itself.
Thank
you
for.
K
Week
we've
discussed
it
now
and
is
I
will
make
a
motion
to
hold
this
application
at
the
committee
level.
It'll
come
back
to
us
on
May,
8th
and
so
I
think
you
can
anticipate
some
additional
discussion
on
that
issue.
A
Okay,
so
it's
been
tabled
until
May,
8th
and
seconded
by
council
member
when
all
in
favor.
K
L
A
Okay,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
Miss
Williams.
Thank
you.
O
All
right,
thank
you
real
briefly.
This
item
is
related
to
a
referral
from
council
member
Kelly,
which
came
in
January
15th
of
this
year.
This
submittal
was
to
develop
a
community
design
commission,
which
is
co-sponsored
by
council
member
suffered
in
and
harakaris
before
you
this
evening
is
the
first
phase,
which
would
be
to
remove
the
design
and
project
Review
Committee
Dapper.
The
city
council
has
previously
discussed
the
removal
of
dapper
and
staff
is
in
support
of
that.
Should
the
commission,
or
should
the
committee
this
evening,
recommend
introduction
of
this
ordinance.
O
As
we
proceed
with
crafting
the
ordinance
related
to
that,
I
do
want
to
recognize,
chair,
Kelly
and
all
of
her
work
with
both
the
community
to
kind
of
bring
this
forward
and
I'm
certain
that
she'll
have
some
additional
talking
points
related
to
this
referral
this
evening,
but
do
just
want
to
recognize
that
staff
appreciates
all
of
the
foundation
that
you've
laid
related
to
this
work.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
Miss
Williams
okay,
so
this
was
really
council
members
sufferedens
referral.
What
we're
discussing
this
evening.
Okay,
so
I
mean
again,
this
is
laying
the
groundwork
for
well
it's
his
his
referral.
Separate
of
this,
though,
he's
co-sponsoring
the
Urban
Design
commission
or
Community
design
commission
that
design
evidence
and
many
community
members
have
worked
very
hard
on
to
sort
of
follow
in
the
tracks
of
many
cities
like
Madison
Atlanta,
Park,
Wilmette,
Chicago
I'll
have
these
legislative
bodies
to
move
it
out
of
the
Dapper
realm
and
into
a
public
legislative
body.
A
So
are
there
any
questions
there
and
I
feel
kind
of
funny,
because
I'm
speaking
to
a
council
member
sufferings
item
here
but
I
think
this
is
the
first
important
step.
I
think
we
heard
a
lot
of
concern
from
residents
that
this
was
previously.
This
was
a
staff
work
very
hard.
It
was
a
staff
committee
and
there
were
some
questions.
This
will
make
it
again
provide
a
a
more
public
venue
and
as
well
as
provide
resident
experts
in
the
area
of
design,
but
again,
I.
A
Guess
we're
looking
really
right
this
evening
just
to
the
that
the
elimination
of
dapper
foreign.
B
Yes,
I
recall
when
councilmember
suffereden
made
this
referral
and
and
correct
that
is
councilmember
suffrage,
referral,
okay,.
B
A
B
And
I
agreed
and
continued
to
agree
with
the
spirit
of
that,
which
is
that
the
you
know
there's
certainly
value
in
the
Dapper
committee,
the
design
and
project
Review
Committee.
B
But
it
should
you
know
it's
not
really
it's
not
a
committee.
It's
not
you
know,
subject
to
Oma
it.
The
committee
doesn't
really
have
any
final
determination
power,
it's
because
it's
not
subject
to
Oma,
it's
not
very
transparent,
and
so
in
that
spirit,
I,
certainly
support
moving
toward
a
model
that
provides
more
clarity
for
the
community
for
and
for
folks
who
are
going
through
the
Dapper
process.
B
We
know
that
folks,
who
are
you
know,
aware
I
think
you
know
Leslie
and
cge
or
bird
friendly,
Evanston
I
just
saw
a
sign
out
there.
Great
example
of
you
know
if
you're
Keen
to
to
Dapper,
you
know
you
really
can
help
improve
the
quality
of
life
and
the
design
of
buildings.
Here
in
our
city,
we've
seen
on
numerous
occasions
where
folks,
who
know
how
to
utilize
it
or
coming
in
and
giving
really
positive
strong
feedback.
B
But
we
also
know
that
you
know
it's
a
very
because
it
is
not
transparent
and
because
it's
not
subject
to
a
man,
because
it's
not
an
official
committee,
that
there
are
fewer
people
who
have
that
opportunity.
And
so
with
that
in
mind,
I,
certainly
support
moving
toward
a
model
that
provides
that
transparency
and
Community
involvement.
A
Will
be
that
will
come
up
for
more
in-depth
discussion
at
a
later
meeting,
okay
council
member
Revell.
I
I
First
I'd
like
to
understand
you
how
that
how
that
process
has
been
working
for
you
all
and
and
when
we
last
talked
about
this
nine
or
ten
months
ago,
there
were
some
some
suggestions
of
ways
you
were
going
to
continue
to
help
residents
become
aware
of
the
issues
that
you
were
all
talking
about.
So
there
was
a
I
have
a
little
note
here,
says
a
weekly
development
newsletter
and
and
just
and
some
information
on
the
website
where
people
could
track
what
was
happening
with
with
and
not
I'm.
I
Not
talking
about
the
plan
developments
I'm
talking
about
the
the
smaller
things
and
I'm
thinking
about
a
fairly
controversial
small
project
on
Central
Street,
the
martial
arts,
building
where
nearby
residents
had
a
lot
of
concerns,
and
and
this
was
while
Dapper
was
still
fully
functioning
and
so
I
guess
in
addition
to
how
it's
been
working
for
the
last
nine
or
ten
months.
What?
How
would
that
martial
arts
building
issue
have
been?
How
would
residents
have
learned
about
it
and
participated
or
made
some
comments?
Something.
O
Sure
great
question,
so
you
are
correct.
The
design
and
project
Review
Committee
has
been
in
somewhat
of
a
transitional
state.
For
about
a
year
now,
staff
has
been
meeting
and
having
weekly
meetings
similar
to
how
Dapper
was
previously.
O
They
are
administrative
and
to
your
points
specific
to
code
and
and
how
the
projects
align
with
the
code
requirements.
In
addition,
staff
provides
comments
that
help
to
Aid
in
the
development
of
potential
conditions,
for
both
the
land,
use,
commission
and
ultimately,
city
council
to
consider
as
these
projects
move
through
the
legislative
process.
O
To
your
second
question
about
what
has
been
done
to
help
with
transparency,
I
think
so.
Staff
has
been
working
to
update
our
postcard
notifications.
That
will
include
a
basically
a
QR
code
that
will
take
folks
to
a
more
detailed
website
and
have
kind
of
information
about
the
project
kind
of
development
plans.
So
staff
is
ready
to
implement
that
once
this
is
fully
you
know,
once
a
decision
is
made
on
how
Dapper
is
going
to
function
long
term.
O
In
addition,
we've
added
on
our
project
page
we've
expanded
what
projects
are
listed
under
proposed
development
or
proposed
projects
to
include
those
Beyond
just
plan
developments,
so
we
are
working
every
day
to
improve.
We
are
open
to
feedback
we've
had
several
community
members
reach
out,
asking
how
we
can
better
share
information
and
we're
adaptively
managing
day-to-day
to
integrate
those
into
our
our
operations.
I
Right
well,
I
think
that's
that
sounds
really
great.
The
idea
of
you
know
a
QR
code
and
the
postcards
to
Residents,
so
they
can
keep
track
of
a
project
that
might
be
happening
right
in
their
neighborhood
and
I.
Guess.
I,
so
I
see
the
function
of
the
former
function
of
dapper
as
very
distinct
from
what
I
expect
is
the
the
idea
behind
this
new
commission,
which
is
more
of
a
more
of
an
appearance,
review
design.
O
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
of
that,
coupled
with
the
you
know,
desire
to
provide
technical
assistance
early
in
the
design
and
development
of
proposals
that
might
come
before
proposals.
So
really
it's
intended
to
be
a
resource,
in
addition
to
providing
some
guidance
to
applicants
as
they're
moving
through
the
entitlement
process
to
make
sure
that
projects
are
aligning
with
the
design,
standards
or
kind
of
guidelines
that
are
established
for
this
particular
committee's
purview
and
review.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
what
we
used
to
have
Dapper,
which
was
a
meeting,
and
we
called
it.
A
committee
and
various
staff,
members
from
various
departments
were
represented
and
they
weighed
in
appropriately
on
on
a
project
yeah
and
maybe
went.
K
Bit
too
far
in
making
some
calls
that
should
have
been
made
by
appointed
or
elected
officials,
which
is
probably
why
we're
having
this
conversation
nonetheless,
I
think
the
part
of
the
process
that
was
essential
and
needs
to
continue
one
way
or
the
other
is
having
that
staff
review
for
the
fire
department
to
make
sure
we're
compliant
with
the
fire
exits
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
K
O
Happen
that
is
still
going
to
happen.
Applicants
are
still
going
to
receive.
You
know,
review
comments
from
all
of
the
very
various
departments.
However,
this
affords
an
opportunity
to
be
more
efficient
and
effective.
In
that
translation
of
comments
to
applicants,
it
also
allows
it
to
happen
more
proactively.
It
could
happen
earlier
in
the
process
when
an
application
is
submitted.
We
have,
you
know,
been
making
great
strides
to
improve
our
internal
operations,
as
it
relates
to
development,
review
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
that
will
continue
and
be
improved
upon
as
time
goes
on.
K
K
K
And
so
are
we
just
adding?
Are
we
saving
you
know
making
one
portion
of
the
bureaucracy
more
efficient,
but
adding
another
layer
on
somewhere
else.
O
O
It
has
not
been
established
in
terms
of
what
applicability
this
particular
commission
would
have
in
terms
of
which
projects
go
before
this
commission.
It
could
be
voluntary,
it
could
be
set
in
stone
in
terms
of
which
projects
have
to
go
through
this
commission,
and
that
is
all
for
discussion
of
those
in
this
room
this
evening.
In
addition
to
the
rest
of
your
colleagues.
O
C
May
comment:
one
of
the
other
important
things
is
it
really.
Staff's
role
is
also
to
make
sure
that
all
the
comments
arrive
to
the
applicant
at
one
time
and
that
I
think
is
critical
and
those
comments
from
the
Dapper
function
will
continue
to
be
included,
as
I
think
Liz
already
said
in
packets.
So
the
information
is
provided
in
a
more
coherent
and
useful
way.
I
think,
in
addition
to
better
timing,
as
Liz
pointed
out.
O
You're,
referring
to
the
the
community
design
commission
correct.
Okay,
do
you.
A
Not
sure
I
mean
it's
being
finalized
and
thank
you,
Ms
Williams
and
staff
for
working
very
hard
on
that,
also
along
with
architects
in
Evanston,
but
that
will
bring
I
think
that
would
be
another
discussion
because
there's
a
lot
in
it.
Besides,
just
the
members
I
think
it's
we
looked
at
maybe
a
12
person,
member
11
or
12
yeah.
O
Yeah
exactly
she's
spot
on.
You
know
it's
tentatively
looking
at
about
an
11
member
commission
that
could
be
people
that
live
within
the
City
of
Evanston
work
within
the
City
of
Evanston
really
intended
to
be.
You
know,
Architects
folks,
that
might
have
degrees
in
art.
O
P
The
community
that
will
be
an
interesting
discussion
because
I
I
have
been
on
the
council
since
site
plan
review
and
when
the
council
wanted
to
have
more
control
over
design,
and
so
that
was
when
we
changed
the
Pud
requirements
and
so
I'd
be
interested
to
see
how
this,
how
this
operates
great.
There.
C
If
I
could
there
are
some
really
interesting
models?
The
Chicago
commission
is
voluntary
and
very
early,
and
they
actually
even
talk
about
sighting
of
buildings.
They
talk
about
materials.
A
O
A
K
H
A
Right
and
I
just
want
to.
There
was
a
lot
of
public
concern
about
the
elimination
adapter
about
having
a
venue
and
the
public
believed
that
that
was
the
legislative
bodies.
So
it's
it's
just
important
that
the
public
knows
that
we
are
also
looking
to
move
forward
with
an
appropriate,
a
different
option.
So
so
that's
why
we're
touching
base
on
this,
but
this
really
is
so
they
are.
They
are
related.
A
C
Do
a
roll
call
on
this?
This
is
to
introduce
council
member
Reed.
B
K
C
B
I
will
move
item
P4,
ordinance,
20023,
admitting
title
6
of
the
city
code
relating
to
cannabis,
consumption,
lounges.
A
Okay,
discussion.
B
This
has
been
one
of
the
more
controversial
issues
that
this
Council
has
discussed,
and
there
is
a
lot
of.
B
Rightfully
placed
concern
about
the
proliferation
of
any
substance,
any
chemical,
whatever
it
is
in
our
community
that
could
potentially
cause
adverse
health
effects.
So
I
I
truly
appreciate
the
advocacy
of
folks
who
are
coming
out
and
raising
their
concerns
about
this.
You
know:
I
I
certainly
see
those
concerns
as
legitimate
and
well
placed.
B
B
Past
practice,
the
the
War
on
Drugs,
particularly
cannabis,
has
not
been
successful.
It
has
caused
more
harm
than
good
in
our
in
our
in
our
country
in
our
communities.
We
know
that
one
in
five
this
is
from
the
CDC
that
in
2019
one
in
five
Americans
used
cannabis
at
some
point
during
the
year.
B
So
it's
a
lot
of
folks
are
out
there
using
cannabis.
We
know
that
the
use
of
cannabis
certainly
does
not
necessarily
favor
One
race
or
ethnic
group
over
the
other
usage
rates
are
pretty
consistent
across
the
board,
but
we
saw
when
we
moved
toward
legalization
of
cannabis.
Recreational
legalization
here
in
our
state
and
in
other
states
that
there
was
a
disproportionate
impact
of
that
restriction
on
minority
communities,
particularly
black
and
brown
folks.
B
Yet
persisting
within
that
and
this
Council
just
reaffirmed
our
desire,
it
is
in
many
leases
if
you,
if
you
live
in
an
apartment
building
in
many
leases,
it
is
against
the
rules.
It'll
be
a
violation
of
the
least
the
violation
of
the
contract
to
consume
cannabis
within
your
apartment
unit.
B
We
know
that
in
Evanston
that
you
know
our
black
and
brown
Community
are
more
likely
to
live
in
rental
units
than
their
than
their
white
counterparts,
and
we
know
that
people
throughout
the
nation
and
in
our
community
are
being
you
know,
having
their
housing
jeopardized
because
of
consumption
consumption
of
cannabis.
This
Council
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I'm
very
happy
that
folks
passed
this.
We
made
some
amendments
to
our
laws
regarding
the
possession
of
cannabis.
We
made
it
legal
for
someone
to
possess
cannabis
in
this
building.
B
He
still
can't
consume
it,
but
you
can
possess
it
here.
We
made
it
legal
for
someone
to
walk
down
the
street
possessing
cannabis.
You
still
can't
consume
it
and
at
the
time
I
asked
The
Advocates
for
this.
B
Whether
or
not
they
would
support
an
amendment
to
our
consumption
laws
that
would
allow
open
air
smoking
right,
because
what
folks
are
concerned
about
is
indoor
smoking.
This
Council
pretty
unequivocally
said
no.
We
do
not
want
to
allow
cannabis
smoke
outside
at
our.
You
know
on
the
sidewalk
at
our
parks
at
our
beaches.
That
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
do
so
we
have
left
people
in
our
community
in
a
conundrum
where
it's
legal,
you
can
go,
buy
cannabis
at
you
know
dispensary,
and
we
want
your
money
because
it
supports
our
reparations
program.
B
You
know
down
the
road,
it
will
support
our
general
fund
Revenue,
but
there
are
too
many
people
who
have
nowhere
where
they
can
legally
consume
cannabis,
and-
and
so
what
we
are
creating
is
a
situation
where
we
are
forcing
people
or
we're
potentially
putting
people
in
a
position
where
they
could
jeopardize
their
housing
or
jeopardize
their.
B
You
know
life
and
safety
or
the
health
of
of
you
know
someone
in
their
care
because
they
are
forced
to
smoke
cannabis
in
their
own
house
or
you
know,
smoke
cannabis
outside
where
there's
risk
of
legal
recourse,
so
so
that
this
is
what
this
is
about.
Our
our
Clean
Air
Act
currently
does
not
prohibit
indoor
smoking
in
certain
instances.
For
example,
you
know
you
couldn't
open
a
just
a
hookah
lounge
here
in
Evanston.
You
couldn't
open
a
cigar
lounge
here
in
Evanston.
B
Unless,
because
there
is
an
exemption
in
our
code,
it
was
a
private
club
or
establishment
So.
Currently,
under
a
current
ordinance,
I
will
say
that
we
do
would
allow
indoor
smoking
under
certain
circumstances.
It
is
completely
possible
for
my
read
of
the
code
that
someone
could,
under
certain
circumstances,
open
a
cigar
lounge,
a
hookah
lounge
to
indoor
smoking
Lounge
in
the
City
of
Evanston
if
certain
guidelines
were
met,
but
it's
legal
to
smoke
a
cigarette
outside,
which
is
is
different
from
Cannabis.
B
I
will
note
that
this
Council
and
or
I'm
sorry,
this
Council
has
voted
on
many
liquor
licenses.
This
Council
had
previous
councils,
have
amended
our
liquor
laws
to
allow
for
brew,
pubs
and
allow
for
the
proliferation
of
alcohol.
We
know
from
many
studies
that
alcohol
is
far
more
harmful
on
the
human
body
than
cannabis.
We
know
that
the
societal
effects
of
alcohol
far
outweigh
the
societal
effects
of
cannabis.
B
Yet
this
council
is
perfectly
fine
to
proliferate.
The
use
of
of
alcohol,
for
example,
there
are
95.
According
to
the
CDC,
there
were
95
thousand
ninety
five
thousand
people
who
die
of
over
consumption
of
alcohol
every
single
year,
95
000
Americans.
B
B
I
know
that
folks
will
say:
hey
secondhand
smoke,
Fair
argument,
but
we
know
that
from
alcohol
traffic
deaths
are
outrageous
with
the
consumption
of
alcohol,
so
I,
you
know,
I
would
rather
take
a
whiff
of
a
cigarette
than
be
in
the
same
Lane
as
someone
who's
consumed
a
bit
too
much
alcohol
on
a
Friday
night.
B
So
I
I
want
us
to
look
at
this
in
in
two
ways:
I
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
move
this
forward
to
council.
There
are
folks
who
you
know
have
some
legitimate
questions.
Some
legitimate
concerns.
I
would
hope
that
we
can
move
this
out
of
committee
forward
it
to
council
give
all
of
us.
You
know
those
who
are
still
on
the
fence
about
this
more
time
to
to
dig
into
some
of
the
data
get
folks
who
are
operators
of
dispensaries
and
I'll
start
wrapping
up
here.
With
about
a
minute.
We.
B
Folks,
who
are
able
to
I
I
do
think
that
for
some
folks
there
may
be
a
misconception
about
what
a
cannabis
consumption
Lounge
is
I.
Think
some
folks
may
have
in
their
mind
that
it
it
it's
like
a
dive
bar
somewhere.
B
You
know
these
are
folks
the
only
folks
who
are
allowed
to
open
cannabis
consumption
lounges
are
folks
who
have
a
license
from
the
state
of
Illinois
to
operate
a
dispensary.
It
is
one
of
the
most
stringent
licensing
processes
that
folks
have
to
go
through
to
open
a
business
here
in
in
the
state
of
Illinois,
and
so
with
with
that.
These
are
in
general,
very
responsible
operators.
B
This
ordinance
would
merely
create
a
special
use
process
where,
even
if
they
did
have
that
dispensary
license
from
the
state,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
just
come
into
Evanston
and
open
a
cannabis
consumption
Lounge.
It
would
have
to
go
through
a
special
use
process
that
we
would
set
up
here
and
it
would
have
to
be
approved
by
this
body
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
move
this
forward.
B
Give
more
time
if
needed,
for
folks
who
are
still
on
the
fence
about
this
folks
who
have
concerns
and
feel
as
though
this
might
be
rolling
back.
Our
Clean,
Air,
Act
and
I
get
that
you
know
councilmember
when
I
think
you're,
the
maybe
the
only
person
on
the
council
now
who
was
here
when
the
Clean
Air
Act
was
passed
so
I
understand
the
desire
to
protect
the
progress
that
was
made
there.
B
I
do
not
believe
that
this
rolls
back
that
progress.
What
it
does
roll
back
by
not
passing
this.
This
rolls
back
progress
on
ensuring
that
we
are
protecting
folks
who
are
in
apartment
buildings,
folks,
who
don't
have
some
of
the
same
access
that
homeowners
have
and
to
close.
B
This
could
be
a
substantial
source
of
you
know
this.
This
could
be
a
substantial
source
of
revenue
for
Evanston,
particularly
if
we
get
into
this
early.
This
provides
job
opportunities.
For
example,
Oakton
Community
College
has
was
I,
believe
the
First
Community
College
in
the
state
to
create
a
cannabis
training
program,
so
we're
training
young
folks
in
our
community
to
work
in
this
industry
and
we're
not
providing
job
opportunities
for
them.
B
That's
what
our
tax
dollars
are
going
toward,
making
sure
people
can
work
in
this
industry
and
yet
we're
not
providing
opportunities
to
increase
revenue
for
the
City
of
Evanston
Revenue
that
right
now
and
for
the
next
10
years,
will
go
into
our
reparations
fund
later
on
we'll
go
into
our
general
fund
Revenue
that
we
can
use
to
write
historical
wrongs
of
the
very
folks
that
are
likely
disproportionately
impacted
by
this
ban
currently
on
consumption
lounges.
B
So
with
that,
I
would
ask
that
you
know
if
folks
have
objections,
if
there's
any
way
that
you
can
get
to.
Yes,
let's
put
it
on
the
table
and
talk
about
it
and
be
reasonable
about
this,
unless
you
were
prepared.
B
If,
if
your
stance
is
I'm
looking
out
for
the
health
and
safety
of
of
the
people
of
Evanston,
then
we
need
to
not
pass
another
ordinance
that
allows
for
consumption
of
out
that
proliferates
the
consumption
of
alcohol
in
our
community,
and
we
in
fact
need
to
change
our
ordinances
and
go
back
to
something
that
would
have
oh
geez
I'm
planking
on
her
name,
exactly
that
would
have
Francis,
Willard,
dancing
and
and
enthusiasm,
and
so
all
in
there
for
now
and
and
but
I,
truly
ask
folks
to
engage
with
this
from
an
honest
standpoint
and
realize
that
we
have.
B
We
have
moved
to
a
point
where
we're
not
arguing
about
the
legalization
of
cannabis
anymore,
that
has
happened
in
Illinois
and
it
is
likely
happening
nationally
soon.
B
Now
we
are
tasked
with
ensuring
that,
as
we
legalize
as
we
are
in
the
the
place
of
legalizing
this
of
cannabis,
that
we
are
providing
safe
places
for
folks
to
use
cannabis
and
and
one
one
and
I'll
leave
it
there.
Thank
you.
P
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
I'll
I'll,
be
brief.
I
was
on
the
council
when
we
eliminated
indoor
smoking
in
Evanston
and
we
were
at
the
Vanguard
at
that
point.
We
were
very
proud
of
being
out
front
on
that
councilmember
Reed.
There
are
other
ways
to
consume
cannabis:
we're
not
prohibiting
people
from
consuming
cannabis
that
you
can
consume
it
edibly.
P
So
I
am
a
hard,
no
I
I
won't
I
won't
go
backwards.
So
I
appreciate
your
efforts
to
try
and
persuade
me
otherwise
but
I'm
prepared
to
vote
no
on
cannabis
lounges
and
if
we
need
to
look
at
our
code
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
hookah
lounges
our
our
tobacco
lounges,
then
I'm
ready
to
make
that
referral.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Ravel,.
I
Well,
I
have
to
Echo
council
member
wins
sentiments,
and
my
understanding
of
our
Clean
Air
Act
is,
is
that
it
does
I
mean
I,
wouldn't
be
interested
in
knowing
whether
somehow
there's
a
loophole
where
we
can
have
a
private,
hookah,
lounge
or
something.
But
because
my
one
of
one
of
my
feelings
is
that
if
we,
if
we
approve
a
cannabis
smoking
Lounge,
then
oh,
we
won't
have
any
grounds
left
for
refusing
an
application
to
open
a
hookah,
lounge.
So
I
I
think
this
is
a
setting
a
bad
precedent.
I
I
think
our
the
testimony
from
our
various
Health
experts
is
very
persuasive
and
I'm.
A
hard,
no
vote.
A
So
you
know
I've
expressed
a
council
member
read
in
the
past
my
concerns
for
the
air
quality
for
the
people
who
would
be
working,
I
guess
I'd
really
like
to
see
other
examples
and
how
there's
been
effective
measures
because
I'm
not
going
to
accept
because
people
have
chosen
to
work
there.
These
are
low-income
jobs
for
the
most
part.
This
isn't
like
a
professional
job
that
someone
trains
for
and
is
like
other
fields
where
you
could
be
subject
to
some
dangers
based
on
a
career.
A
This
isn't
a
career
choice,
so
I
would
like
to
I
need
more
assurances
with
regard
to
protecting
the
air
quality
for
the
workers
and
I'd
like
to
see
some
presentations
of
existing
lounges.
To
understand
that
better
I
also,
you
know
know
I
can
sit
at
a
cafe
outdoors
and
someone
has
a
beer
next
to
me.
That's
not
impacting
me
someone's
chewing
a
gummy
that
doesn't
impact
me,
but
you
know
they're
smoking
right
next
to
me
that
does
so
to
councilmember
winds
point.
A
There
are
other
ways
to
consume
cannabis
and
which
will
continue
to
help
fund
the
reparations
program.
So
those
are
my
my
concerns
that
I've
expressed
in
the
past,
so
you
know
I
like
to
say
I
would
prefer
to
see
you
bring
this
back
with
more
robust
information
regarding
other
lounges
that
have
sufficient
Protections
in
place.
B
B
I'm
I'm,
sorry
to
say
it
I
will
say
it,
but
I
do
think.
Folks
are
are
being
a
bit
hypocritical
here
and
again
when
we
compare
this
to
alcohol.
Yes,
someone
drinking
a
beer
at
The,
Sidewalk
Cafe.
Next
to
you,
may
not
directly
impact
you
in
that
moment,
but
we
know
how
many
folks
are
dying
from
alcohol
related
accidents
not
only
their
own
personal
health,
but
car
accidents
and
other
accidents.
B
So
we
know
that,
yes,
you
may
not
inhale
the
vapors
from
the
the
beer
directly
and
and
be
potentially
injured
somewhere
down
the
line,
but
we
know
there's
real
harm
that
is
coming
from
the
consumption
of
alcohol
and
so
I
I.
B
You
know
I
would
ask
that
council
member
Kelly,
if
you
would
support
you,
know,
moving
this
forward
to
council
with
a
neutral
vote
with
a
3-3
vote,
and
we
can
have
that
testimony
in
that
conversation
as
as
as
this
moves
forward,
and
we
can
bring
out
those
experts
when
it's
at
Council.
K
K
I'll
weigh
in
with
my
comments
and
observations
here,
too
I'm
going
to
vote.
No,
in
addition
to
the
the
air
quality
and
the
public
health
reasons,
I
am
concerned
about
the
image
and
perception
of
Evanston
I
will
cite
as
an
example.
Last
summer,
I
was
up
in
northern
Michigan
driving
down
the
road
in
a
tourist
Community.
There
was
a
a
building
that
had
a
big
sign
on
the
side
in
the
signs
that
House
of
Dank.
K
That's
not
what
we
want
in
Evanston
we
want
Evanston
to
be
to
be
Lively
and
warm
and
welcoming
for
families
a
Vibrant
Community.
We
need
outdoor
dining,
for
example,
in
the
downtown
and
at
Arrington
Lagoon.
We
don't
need,
we
don't
need
a
House
of
Dank
so
that
you
know
elevates
me
to
a
Francis
Willard
level
of
prudishness.
So
be
it
maybe
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Five
ten
years
when
cannabis
lounges
are
more
widely
accepted
in
the
general
Community
Maybe,
it's
a
maybe,
but
definitely
not
now.
B
F
B
In
Evanston,
where
you'd
we
have
teenagers
in
the
audience,
so
were
you
darn
sure,
couldn't
have
a
big
neon
sign
that
says:
House
of
Dank
in
Evanston
again
we're
talking
about
very
different
laws
and
regulations
between
I'm,
not
super
familiar
with
Michigan,
so
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
to
be
but
I.
Imagine
if
they
have
a
place.
That's
just
called
House
of
Dank
they're,
very
different
laws
in
Michigan
than
what
we
have
here
in
Illinois
and
so
I
do
think.
That
is
a
a
an
unfair
comparison.
What
I'm
going
to
do
to
move
on?
B
B
Will
you
join
three
of
us
in
moving
to
table
this
to
a
a
date
in
the
future
to
to
allow
for
the
questions
that
you
have
to
be
answered
and
I
believe
and
I'll
close
hold
on
and
I
will
say
that
I
genuinely
believe
that
those
are
questions
that
you
want
answered
and
that
those
are
questions
that
could
move
you
and
with
that
genuine,
a
belief
that
those
are
questions
that
you
want
answered
and
those
you
know
providing
answers
to
those
questions
could
move.
A
Q
Mean
I've
I've
said
this
time
and
time
again
we
have
an
Ethics
Department
or
ethics.
Special
ethics,
Council,
I
I
think
it
is
incredibly
inappropriate
and
especially
councilman
Kelly
for
you
to
join
them,
but
for
anybody
to
suggest
really
any
council
member
has
an
Ethics
issue
that
hasn't
gone
through
the
due
diligence
of
actually
asking
our
Law
Department.
If
there
is
one
and
so
I
will
respond
in
the
same
way,
I
have
each
and
every
time
this
has
come
up.
Q
I
do
not
have
a
conflict,
but,
more
importantly
file
and
ethics
can
play,
and
what
you
will
find
out,
which
will
always
be
true,
is
that
my
Integrity
is
is
is
is
unblemished
and
I
will
really
really
really
encourage
our
our
our
community
to
be
a
bit
more
sensitive
about
things
that
you
wage
against
people,
especially
when
you
have
not
even
looked
into
it.
Q
Okay,
I'm,
not
any
different,
any
other
different
different
than
you,
I'm,
a
human
being
and
I
would
appreciate
the
same
respect
that
I
extend
to
everyone.
I
would
I
would
I
would
appreciate
that
same
respect
extended
to
me
and
that's,
including
you
councilmember
Kelly.
You
have
if
the
community
has
it,
you
certainly
have
the
ability,
if
you
believe,
I,
have
a
conflict
to
go
through
the
necessary
parties
to
determine
it.
Q
A
Is
all
thank
you,
so
I
wasn't
questioning
your
integrity
for
a
moment
or
suggesting
that
you've
done
anything
at
all.
Unethical
I
was
simply
asking
the
question
because
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
by
a
speaker
this
evening.
I
just
thought
I
thought
you
would
like
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that.
That's
all
which
is
point
of
information
council,
member
Burns,.
Q
Not
at
all,
and
the
next
time
you
hear
brought
up
tell
them
to
go
through
the
necessary
channels.
We
have
a
special
special
ethics
Council.
You,
like
everybody
on
this
Council,
understands
that
and
and
be
honest,
it's
not
even
just
it's
not
even
a
of
impugning
my
character.
It's
also
our
Law
Department.
We
have
a
law
Department
that
understands
what
our
conflicts
are.
Q
If
any
and
they'll
reach
out
to
us
and
let
us
know
an
event
with
advanced
notice,
and
we
have
a
conflict
on
something
so
even
before
the
community
may
think
they
understand
something
our
Law
Department
does
so.
I
would
hope
that
you
would
tell
them
to
do
the
same
exact
thing
that
that
I
would,
if
you
feel,
feel,
there's
a
conflict.
Then
then
ask
our
Law
Department,
no.
A
Q
Q
B
B
I'm
not
going
to
address
any
of
that
I
I
want
to
address
that,
but
I
still
want
to,
and
the
reason
I'm
not
is
because
councilmember
Burns
has
voted
on
this
in
in
human
services
committee.
B
If
there
was
a
conflict
that
there
that
would
have
been
made
apparent
in
the
past
and
the
councilman
Burns
does
not
have
a
dispensary
license,
and
so
this
would
not
seemingly
impact
his
business,
but
again
back
to
to
bring
this
back
to
where
you
were
I
would
like
I
I'm
asking
that
you
know
we
have
a
council
member
who
is
Missing
for
very
good
reason
for
child's
birthday,
who
has
supported
this
in
human
services
committee
I
would
ask
that
who
I
would
ask
that
councilmember
Kelly
that
you
allow
the
time,
for
you
know
your
genuine
questions.
B
That
I
think
can
certainly
be
answered
and
can
that
information
can
be
provided,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
you
would
support
a
table
to
allow
your
questions
to
be
answered
in
good
faith.
A
Thank
you,
so
what
I
would
have
preferred,
and
what
I
continue
to
prefer
is
that
you
would
have
brought
this
forward
with
those
concerns.
I've
had
forever
I've
expressed
those
concerns
about
the
working
conditions
at
this
point
and
not
to
continue
further
without
having
a
presentation
on
that.
So
no
I
won't
support
it
this
evening,
but
you
can
always
submit
another
referral.
P
I
move
ordinance,
20023
amending
title
six
of
the
city
code
relating
to
cannabis,
consumption
lounges,
something
else
seconds
and
we.