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Planning & Development Committee 01/27/2014
A
A
C
So
what
we
did
is
we
did
an
analysis
and,
first
of
all,
every
every
one
of
those
variations
were
approved
by
the
CBA,
with
the
exception
of
one
that
was
exactly
practically
right
on
the
lot
line,
but
the
city
and
it's
that
recently
amended
codes,
changed
the
ambient
noise
level
from
55
decibels
to
65
decibels
and
basically
any
air
conditioning
unit.
That's
in
there's
a
chart
in
the
memo
here.
C
That's
eight
feet
away
from
the
property
line
will
still
be
at
the
65
decibels
and
under
which
again
is
the
allowable
decibel
level
at
proper
at
the
property
line.
It's
just
the
the
the
amount
of
ambient
noise
in
the
air
is.
Is
there
there's?
Also,
a
recognition
that
air
conditioning
units
have
become
and
I
understand.
It's
very
ironic
that
we're
talking
about
air
conditioning
units
tonight,
but
they
have
become
a
lot
more
quiet.
C
If
you
will,
the
contemporary
ones
have
seen
a
decrease
in
about
10
decibels
on
average,
also
when
you
would
be
able
to
have
them
slightly
closer
at
six
feet,
foremost
side
yards,
but
you
would
have
to
have
it
appropriately
screened
with
landscaping
and
buffer
and
obviously
that
addresses
both
the
aesthetic
issue
and
also
the
it
further
dampens
the
noise
level
at
the
property
line.
So
we
felt
that
this
was
a
was
a
a
reasonable
approach
to
kind
of
address.
The
number
of
variations
that
we
were
seeing
and
accommodate
the
newer
type
of
technology.
A
D
E
F
You
what
happens
if,
if
it
resident,
has
the
space
in
their
backyard,
for
instance,
and
but
would
prefer
not
to
have
it
there
because
they
have
screened
porch
or
they
entertain
or
whatever,
and
they
so
they
put
it
to
the
side
yard
it
does
that
does
a
the
neighborhood,
the
neighbor
next
to
them,
do
they
have
any
recourse
saying
you
know?
Well,
you
know
if
you
don't
want
to
put
up
with
it,
why
should
I
well.
C
Other
than
you
know
coming
to
the
in
this
case,
because
it
would
go
to
the
ZBA
you
know
voicing
their
concern
with
the
ZBA.
The
ZBA
often
takes
into
account
is
if
there
is
a
compliant
location
on
the
lot-
and
there
is
no
nothing
there
to
obstruct
or
prevent
the
air
conditioning
it
from
being
put
there.
Then
they
take
that
into
account
and
their
decision
and
they
may
reject
it.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
this
has
been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say
aye,
for
this
is
our
introduction
yep.
Thank
you.
The
next
item,
p2
is
ordinance.
30
14,
amending
the
zoning
ordinance
to
create
business
or
vocational
school
use
and
amending
the
definition
of
college
/,
university
institution.
G
C
Loans,
our
director
community
development.
This
is
in
order
to
add
this
use
category
to
our
zoning
ordinance,
amazingly
or
not.
We
have
never
had
it
to
date.
We
have
treated
business,
&
vocational
schools,
essentially
as
office
uses,
which
obviously
they
are
not.
They
need
to
be
their
own
use
category.
C
We've
you'll
see
there
in
your
packet,
it's
primarily
a
special
use
in
most
zoning
districts,
because
even
though
there's
a
great
similarity
between
vocational
schools
and
typical
I'll
call
them
college
and
universities
often
times
there
are
other
ramifications
to
their
operation,
they
may
operate
on
later
hours.
They
may
involve
things
such
as
auto
repair
or
something
like
that
which
may
generate
the
type
of
noise
issue,
or
something
like
that.
So
we
felt
they
needed
to
be
a
little
more
further
regulated
and
that's
why
you
see
on
their
your
chart
in
most
cases
their
special
uses.
H
A
H
C
A
I
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
our
district,
it's
even
being
permitted.
Could
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
sorry,
sweetie.
I
said
I
was
concerned
about
the
our
district
being
a
special
use
and
not
I'm
not
sure
it
should
even
be
permitted
in
that
district.
Also.
Why
would
we?
Why
would
we
make
this
a
permitted
use
in
any
district
and
not
just
make
it
a
special
use?
I
am
not
understanding
that
and
most
of
these
schools
not
for
profits
or
are
some
of
them
for
profit.
Schools.
E
C
I
I
C
I
C
A
H
Thanks
I
wanted
to
get
back
to
alderman
Holmes's
point
that
she
was
making
about
existing
it's
no
longer
existing,
but
kendall
college
was
sort
of
morphing
into
a
a
trade
school
with
its
culinary
school
and
in
the
middle
of
an
hour
district
that
worked
okay
because
we
had
a
covenant
on
the
use
of
the
land.
But
that
was
a
really
lengthy
process.
I
can't
imagine
anyone
else
is
going
to
open
a
culinary
school
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area.
H
So
I
guess
I
agree
with
alderman
rainy
that
it's
just
really
not
appropriate
and
also
when
you,
when
you're
inviting
so
many
people
to
come
in
and
the
commuters
to
come
in
if
you're
not
really
close
to
public
transportation.
You
do
invite
so
many
cars,
and
that
was
another
problem
I
had
with
with
just
parking
in
the
neighborhood
was
huge.
H
I
I
G
B
I
I
But
then
that
means
that
the
neighbors
all
have
to
come
out
and
fight
it.
I
cannot
seem
heber's,
I
mean
neighbors,
don't
want
a
little
bed
and
breakfast
on
their
block.
I
can
just
see
a
you
know:
a
mechanic
school
or
a
baking
school
or
a
Culinary
Institute
on
you
know
the
1800
block
of
Nathaniel
I.
Just
can't
see
people
embracing
that.
So
that's
I
mean
I.
It's
an
amendment.
You
can
vote
a
number
down
yeah.
A
I
do
think,
as
the
staff
originally
started
this
discussion,
they
described
it
as
Marco,
saying
it's
something
akin
to
an
office
building
in
some
ways,
and
but
it
has
additional
issues
that
that
come
with
it.
So
I
am
leaning
towards
almond
ratings
argument
that
that,
even
in
an
r6,
you
know
which
is
actually
a
fairly
dense
neighborhood
from
a
residential
standpoint.
A
I,
don't
know
where
you
put
the
parking
or
the
people
who
might
come
along
with
the
vocational
or
trade
school
so,
and
we
have
many
locations
in
this
any
word
that
this
would
work
very,
very
well,
but
I
think
in
the
art
district,
some
it
kind
of
degree.
They
are
ditching
our
districts
and
eats
away
at
the
value
of
living
in
an
hour.
District
and
I
also
agree
with
alderman
rainy
on
the
issue
of
making
neighbors
engage
in
a
long
zoning
battle,
because
that's
what
this
would
be.
I
A
I
A
This
will
come
back
to
us.
The
next
item
we
have
is
for
discussion.
That
concludes
our
items
for
consideration.
This
is
a
disclosure
of
landmark
properties
and
historic
district
properties.
Mark
is
going
to
address
this
briefly,
and
then
we
have
several
members
of
the
Preservation
Commission
who
are
here
would
like
to
speak
to
us
as
well.
Thank.
C
You
this
is
following
up
on
an
item
that
you
had
later
last
year,
where
there
was
an
appeal
to
the
City
Council
and
we
were
given
direction
to
make
sure
that
that
property
owners
were
more
aware
just
generally
and
specifically
as
to
if
they
were
going
to
purchase
or
if
I
happenstance
they
already
owned
and
needed
to
know
that
they
owned
a
landmark
property
and
the
the
advantages
and
the
requirements
of
owning
such
so
you'll,
see
in
the
in
your
packet.
We've
carlos
ruiz
and
I
have
met
with
three
members
of
the
Preservation
Commission.
C
C
Briefly,
what
we're
going
to
do
immediately
is
we've
been
working
with
our
community
engagement
staff
to
improve
the
city's
website
and
make
this
much
more
visible,
both
on
the
main
homepage
and
also
the
department's
webpage
that
and
make
it
much
easier
for
property
owners
to
be
able
to
research
as
to
if
they
are
going
to
purchase
or
if
they
are
in
a
landmark
property.
They
would
also,
when
purchasing
the
property
from
the
clerk's
office.
When
they
were
going
to
get
the
real
estate
transfer
tax
stamp,
they
would
be.
C
There
would
be
a
check
they're
done
by
clerk
staff
to
notify
them.
If
that
was
the
case,
we
certainly
understand
that
that's
late
in
the
game,
so
to
speak,
if
you're
purchasing
a
property,
but
at
least
it's
being
done,
which
is
something
that's
not
being
done
now
and
then
in
the
intermediate
action,
there's
a
variety
of
different
aspects
that
include
getting
new
statements
of
significance
for
the
various
historic
districts.
They
include
potential
intern
staff
support
to
in
order
to
be
able
to
complete
that
process.
C
They
include
things
such
as
workshops
with
annual
postcard
reminders
to
the
historic
districts
and
the
landmark
property
owners,
and
also
such
things,
that's
coming
out
to
ward
meetings
and
also
engaging
real
estate
companies
and
things
of
that
nature.
The
long-term
action
would
be
to
potentially
record
these
properties.
I
will
say
that
our
initial
investigation
is
this
is
fairly
cost
prohibitive,
but
even
knowing
that
we
are
researching
with
the
ihp,
a
the
illinois,
historic
preservation
agency
for
possible
funding
opportunities,
so
that
we
could
potentially
at
least
begin
to
investigate
this
process.
C
J
Good
evening,
hello,
good
evening,
I'm
Gary
shoemaker,
I'm
the
current
chair
of
the
Preservation
Commission
I
apologize,
I,
didn't
think.
I
was
going
to
make
a
presentation
tonight,
but,
as
Mark
said,
we
we've
met
several
times,
and
this
is
something
that
the
Commission
has
has
considered
very
carefully.
I
want
to
remind
you
all
that
we
came
before
City
Council
over
just
over
a
year
ago
to
at
mr.
Bob
quits
suggestion
to
explain
to
you
guys
what
we've
been
doing
and
what
our
future
plans
were.
J
One
of
the
ongoing
projects
we've
had
is
a
resurvey
of
all
of
the
story:
districts
and
all
the
historic
properties
in
the
city
of
Evanston
I.
Think
if
you
look
through
your
pack,
you'll
see
we've
completed
the
lakeshore
historic
district,
which
includes
a
statement
of
significance
for
every
property.
Every
house
in
that
district.
J
The
ongoing
goal
of
this
commission
is
to
continue
that
work,
which
we
have
been
doing
and
I
think
mark
just
mentioned
that
although
we
do
have
outdated
statements
of
significance
on
some
of
the
older
properties
in
some
of
the
lesser
surveyed
districts,
we
feel
it's
important
to
continue.
That
we'd.
Like
your
support
to
do
it,
we
also
like
the
support
of
the
alderman.
When
you
have
your
word
meetings
and
you're,
involving
these
zoning
issues
and
these
questions
about
preservation,
invite
one
of
our
commissioners
to
join
you.
J
We
can
answer
a
lot
of
questions
and
we'd
love
to
be
a
resource
to
each
and
every
one
of
you,
I.
Think.
The
reason
that
we're
here
tonight
talking
about
this
has
a
lot
to
do
with
a
lack
of
understanding
in
terms
of
what
the
community
knows
and
contributes,
and
what
this
commission
stands
to
help
you
guys
with
so
I'd
like
to
ask
you
all
to
to
help
us
help.
You
I
think
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
I
HPA
again
and
continue
to
secure
grants
to
continue
our
survey
operations
and
Oh.
J
Mark
said
one
of
the
things
we've
done
to
speak
to
them
about
recording
the
deeds
with
this
I
think,
if
they're
willing
to
continue
giving
us
money
toward
our
research
and
toward
our
resurvey
project,
that
goes
a
longer
way
toward
helping
identify
these
properties
and
make
clear
to
the
community
what
their
value
is.
Then
spending
that
money
on
the
back
side
at
a
kind
of
last
moment
for
a
homeowner
to
learn
about
the
status
of
the
landmark
on
their
property.
So
thank.
G
G
K
Good
evening
Carlos
Ruiz,
the
total
number
of
La
Marque
approximately,
is
900,
and
we
have
about
the
periphery
of
1100
to
1200
properties
that
are
in
the
historic
districts.
All
of
them
are
subject
to
the
same
regulations
and
at
the
preservation
ordinance.
There
is
no
distinction
between
a
landmark
or
a
property
in
historic
district.
So
the
round
number
is
about
1900
to
two
thousand
properties
that
are
subject
to
this
type
of
review.
Okay,.
G
I
guess
just
looking
at
it
from
a
prospective
homeowners
viewpoint,
it's
easier
to
find
the
district's.
The
districts
are
a
lot
more
clear-cut,
but
if
you,
if
you
just
have
one
of
the
one-off
houses
and
there's
not
something
recorded,
that's
going
to
be
something.
That's
a
lot
harder
to
come
to
your
attention.
So
I
was
hopeful,
maybe
that
that
number
was
a
lot
smaller
than
900
to
make
the
recording
more
manageable.
G
K
A
K
K
Well,
when
we
do
the
tally
of
properties,
when
we
asked
GIS
to
show
us
how
many
properties
are
in
a
historic
district
that
will
give
us
that,
but
with
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
distinction
between
how
many
others
or
landmarks
I
think
it's
easily
to
do,
but
we
have
not
done
that,
but
I
will
verify
with
you,
but
it's
not
a
big
discrepancy
between
how
many
of
those
are
lammers,
I,
didn't
historic
district
survey.
We
did
that,
but
we're
talking
about
now
the
rich
historic
district
and
also
we
have
the
nori
sevenson
historic
district.
K
G
I
guess
that
and
those
I
get,
those
are
the
ones
that
I'm
more
concerned
about,
because
again
those
are
harder
to
find.
So
maybe
that
might
be
a
starting
point
to
look
at
this.
I
think
the
numbers
I
believe
I
saw
in
the
memo
that
it's
forty
dollars
a
page,
but
I
think
it's
actually
forty
dollars
for
the
first
two
pages
and
then
only
a
couple
dollars
for
each
additional
pay.
That's
correct!
Okay,
so
that,
hopefully
that
makes
it
a
less
scary
number
than
it
first
look
like
it.
E
D
Those
are
not
so
obviously
included
with
an
historic
district.
Is
there
a
way
to
slowly
begin
recording
our
designation
to
those
properties?
The
standard
for
me
will
be
noticed
through
recording
on
the
deed
and
I,
really
appreciate
the
preservation
Commission's
work
in
their
interest
in
making
sure
that
we
get
out
notice
as
best
we
can
about
landmark
status
and
placement
within
one
of
our
historic
districts,
and
let
us
know
what
we
can
do
to
lobby
to
get
the
grant
funding
to
help
us
fund
the
recording
of
these
deeds.
D
But
it's
so
for
me
the
standard
is
just
always
going
to
be
recording
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
stretch
out
the
expense
of
it
by
doing
it.
Piecemeal
of
you
know,
slowly
rolling
the
properties
into
the
record
or
deeds
office,
so
that
and
prioritizing
which
ones
we
want
to
record.
First
I.
C
G
H
Thanks
I
guess,
I'm
feeling
that
we
rather
than
rolling
piecemeal
around,
we
should
be
dealing
with
historic
districts
in
their
entirety
and
moving
that
way
we
have
landmarks,
and
then
we
have
the
other
houses
that
lie
within
a
historic
district.
Boundaries
are
contributing
structures
and
they
are
important
to
maintain
the
character
of
the
district
or
to
help
define
the
character
of
the
district
so
that
we
don't
have
little
individual
houses
that
we
have
actually
neighborhoods
and
and
areas
that
give
a
flavor
of
why
the
area
is
important
to
be
designated
to
district.
H
It's
been
a
while
about
15
years
since
we
started
working
on
the
northeast,
Evanston
historic
district.
Part
of
that
is
not
a
local
district,
but
his
only
National
Register
and
the
National
Register
district
does
not
come
before
the
Commission.
So
those
will
not
be
recorded
anywhere
or
will
be
ok
because.
K
H
H
H
I
think
they
are
now
but
I
think
that
was
a
result
of
that
of
that
case.
I
would
definitely
encourage
the
Commission
to
make
appointments
with
the
local
real
estate
companies
and
just
go
and
remind
all
the
brokers
about
this
and
I'd
also
reach
out
to
the
North
Shore
barrington
board
of
realtors
and
ask
if
next
time
they
print
their
contract
forms.
They
might
include
not
only
the
zoning
designation
of
the
house,
but
also
whether
or
not
it's
a
landmark
I
think
that's
a
change
that
they
would
be.
They
would
be
willing
to
do
Thank.
I
I
I
think
it
should
be
clarified.
I
don't
see
that
we
have
any
responsibility
in
recording,
landmark
properties.
I.
Do
think,
though,
that
the
homeowner
has
a
responsibility
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can't
have
a
directive
that
everyone
who
has
a
landmark
property
needs
to
record
it,
but
why
is
that
not
possible
you're
shaking
your
head?
Why
is
that
not
possible?
I
H
My
own
feeling
is
that
the
city
has
designated
these
as
landmarks
that
it
it
wasn't
in
some
cases
where
owners
do
come
forward
and
want
their
houses
to
be
landmarks.
Maybe
we
can
ask
them
to
pay
for
that,
but
you
know
this
is
a
program.
That's
been
in
place
for
how
many
years,
thirty
30
years,
yah,
1975
and
I,
think
going
back
and
asking
homeowners
to
bear
that.
Bear
that
cost
for
something
that
was
designated
long
before
they
may
have
purchased.
Their
house
is
really
not
fair.
F
Thank
you,
yeah
I,
don't
think
this
the
answer.
This
lies
into
the
current
homeowner,
because
I've
sold
a
house
and
you
know
I
just
turned
it
over
to
the
Asian,
backed
away
libra
sure
the
agent
put
together
the
mls
I
mean
it.
I
had
very
little
input
to
that.
I
do
think
that
they're,
the
key
to
this
really
is
a
realtor,
the
brokers
that
need
to
get
this
out
there
and
I-
and
I
think
you
know
the
notion
of
contacting
the
barrack
arab.
What
is
the
North
Shore
Barrington
Realtors
Association
is
very
good.
F
I
think
this
is
cos
like
consumer
protection.
If
you
don't,
if
you're
selling
a
product-
and
you
don't
know
the
exact
details
or
what
the
ingredients
are,
you
know
your
prob
its
you
know,
right
I
do
think
that's
the
first
place
I
night
and
in
the
long
term,
really
would
come
down
to
legislation
from
Springfield.
F
That
would
require
a
historical
property
to
be
listed
on
on
the
deed
or
some
other
document
that
the
consumer
is
going
to
see
right
up
front
or
at
least
in
the
early
part
of
searching
for
a
house,
so
I
feel
very
strongly.
You
should
pursue
the
realtor,
the
brokers
and
they're
guilty
real
estate
agencies.