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A
A
All
right,
it
was
moved
by
councilmember
revell
seconded
by
councilmember
reed.
Is
there
any
discussion
not
seeing
none?
A
Why
don't
we
vote
hi
hi?
Do
you
call?
Oh
all
right,
all
in
favor
aye,
maybe
oppose
all
right
cool.
That's
done!
Next
item
is
public
comment.
Are
there
any
residents
signed
up
for
public
comment?
There
are
no
members
of
the
community
signed
up
for
public
comment.
Brings
us
to
items
for
consideration.
First.
Item
is
item
p1
resolution
28r22
approving
a
plan
of
subdivision
for
2635
crawford
avenue
so
moved.
A
C
A
Anybody
opposed
all
right
so
that
passes
on
a
voice.
Vote
next,
is
item
p2,
ordinance,
34022
amending
title
4,
chapter
14,
design
and
project
review
of
the
city
code.
This
is
for
introduction,
so
moved
moved
by
councilman
reed.
Is
there
a
second
second
seconded
by
council
member
newsma
director
niden?
Do
you
have
a
presentation.
D
Megan
has
a
brief
presentation.
She's
gonna,
give
in
regards
to
the
question
of
some
some
overview
of
what
designer
project
review
committee
does.
So
this
is
megan
jones.
If
you
haven't
met
her
she's,
our
neighborhood
and
land
use
planner
in
the
community
development
department
and
has
been
a
staff
member,
the
secretary
of
dapper
on
and
off
over
the
years.
E
Okay,
just
doing
some
checking
here:
okay,
good
evening,
council
members,
as
director
knighton
said,
I
am
megan
jones,
I'm
the
neighborhood
and
landis
planner
in
community
development.
E
E
We
review
developments
such
as
plan
developments
that
come
before
council
on
a
regular
basis,
redevelopment
such
as
repurposing
of
some
existing
buildings
in
infield
development
and
site
uses
such
as
sidewalk
cafes,
which
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
are
probably
using
a
lot.
This
evening
we
look
at
specific
elements
of
site
plans
such
as
the
site
circulation
within
the
site,
traffic
access
to
and
from
the
site,
the
actual
building
and
accessory
structure
locations
on
the
site,
landscaping,
storm
water,
drainage,
exterior
building
design
and
materials
and
other
impacts
or
potential
impacts
to
city
services.
E
E
So
this
is
a
list
of
the
things
that
we
review.
This
is
construction
of
new
buildings
and
structures
or
modifications
to
the
exterior
of
existing
structures
for
any
use
that
requires
a
building.
Permit
developments
require
major
zona
major
zoning
variations,
using
developments
that
require
zoning
ordinance
text
or
map
amendments.
E
E
Emergency
phone
structures
such
as
the
emergency
stanchions
that
you'll
see
near
northwestern
a
small
cell
height
waiver
request
and
sign
variations.
Now
there
are
some
exceptions
to
what
we
review
and
those
are
specifically
permitted:
single
family
and
two
family
residential
uses,
reconstruction
and
permitted
temporary
uses.
I
do
want
to
know
if
those
single
family
or
two
residential
proposals
are
requesting
a
variation
from
our
zoning
code,
specifically
a
major
variation
that
will
be
reviewed
by
the
committee.
E
We
typically
have
been
meeting
every
other
week
just
due
to
the
amounts
of
projects
that
are
coming
in.
That
tends
to
kick
up
a
little
bit
once
we
hit
our
busy
season
or
it
can
go
over
a
little
bit
depending
on
how
much
we
have
coming
in
and
what's
being
reviewed,
the
general
order
within
those
meetings
an
applicant
will
come
before
the
committee
they'll
present
an
overview
of
that
project
staff
isn't
able
to
comment
or
ask
questions
about
project
details.
E
E
E
Is
the
placement
of
a
building
such
that
different
municipal
services
are
able
to
actually
access
the
site?
Should
they
be
needed
for
building
design
and
appearance?
This
does
look
at
the
actual
architectural
design
of
a
building
and
the
building
materials.
So
also
does
it
fit
in
with
adjacent
properties.
E
Is
the
building
of
a
certain
height
massing
or
scale
that
matches
what
is
also
in
that
block
or
in
that
general
area
and
with
landscaping?
This
can
touch
on
a
number
of
different
things.
So
it's
more
recently,
we've
been
really
like
taking
a
look
at
trees.
If
it's,
the
new
construction
are
the
trees
that
will
have
to
be
cut
down
with
the
trees
that
are
replaced
for
some
of
the
general
landscaping
ideas.
E
This
is
taking
a
look
at
the
actual
location
of
those
proposed
parking
areas,
be
they
surface
lots
or
within
a
garage.
We
also
take
a
look
at
the
various
screenings,
be
it
plantings
or
some
kind
of
frosted
glass
or
something
if
it's
supposed
to
be
in
a
parking
podium,
so
that
there's
less
impact
for
potential
headlights
or
things
of
that
nature
for
open
space,
for
lots
where
there
is
the
ability
to
provide
open
space
and
it's
not
an
in-field
development.
E
E
This
is
when
an
applicant
is
actually
seeking
some
preliminary
input
from
staff
to
make
sure
that
that
they
are
on
the
right
track
or
in
some
cases,
we've
seen
their
different
options
for
our
project
and
they
want
to
see
which
might
work
better
for
that
particular
site
for
delivery
of
different
city
services,
things
of
that
nature,
the
next
we
have
preliminary
review.
This
is
required.
E
It
is
often
done
in
conjunction
with
our
final
review,
but
for
this
particular
review.
This
is
at
a
stage
where
the
applicant
has
a
project
that
has
designs
that
are
still
fairly
flexible
and
adjustments
can
be
made
without
causing
too
much
of
an
issue.
This
also
occurs
after
a
zoning
analysis
has
been
completed.
E
E
The
committee
is
determined
by
the
excuse
me
the
determining
body
for
preliminary
and
final
review,
which,
as
I
mentioned,
are
done
typically
together.
E
So
go
through
a
quick
example
of
an
easier
review
that
we've
done
what's
on
the
screen.
E
We
also
look
at
potential
site
conflicts.
You
might
not
be
able
to
see
it,
but
at
the
bottom
left
portion
of
the
screen.
You
have
a
proposed
movement
of
an
existing
bike
rack.
So
this
is
essentially
to
make
sure
that,
as
I
mentioned
with
the
space
to
pass
through
above,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
those
who
are
actually
at
that
particular
cafe
have
space
to
maneuver
in
and
out
of
that
space,
push
their
chairs
back
and
not
have
a
potential
tripping
hazard
or
to
damage
bikes
that
might
actually
be
using
those
bike.
E
But
this
takes
into
account
how
that
particular
barrier
might
be
secured
to
the
space
if
it
will
be
moved
consistently
or
if
it's
intended
to
be
there
permanently.
We
also
looked
at
the
spacing
of
the
seating
now.
This
was
something
that
was
really
coming
into
play
earlier
on
in
the
pandemic,
when
we
were
attempting
to
have
businesses
open
and
have
customers,
but
we
also
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
spacing
that
kept
customers
safe.
E
Towards
the
end
of
that
review,
we
also
took
a
look
at
proper
licensing,
so
this
is
a
restaurant
that
does
serve
alcohol
and
since
it
is
a
restaurant,
obviously
we're
making
sure
that
food
licensing
is
secured,
but
it
had
been
opened
for
a
while.
So
that
wasn't
much
of
an
issue,
but
for
the
sidewalk
cafe,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
proper
licensing
to
serve
liquor
was
also
considered
in
that
that
particular
process
had
been
pursued.
E
So
a
little
bit
more
information
on
dapper
generally,
the
meeting
agendas
and
packets
are
posted
the
friday
before
that
meeting,
which,
as
I
mentioned,
is
on
tuesday
afternoons
and
that
is
posted
on
the
city's
website
on
the
dapper
landing
page.
We
do
try
to
notify
the
council
members
of
items
that
are
within
their
ward.
That
will
be
on
that
agenda
post
meetings.
A
Megan
before
you
go,
can
I
ask
a
question
sure-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
you
or
for
johanna?
Whoever
is
there
any
reason
why
everything
that
you
just
described
can't
be
accomplished
without
everyone
meeting
on
tuesday
afternoons?
Can
this
be
done
through
some
sort
of
collaborative
document?
Can
everybody
who
wants
to
get
the
dapper
actions
sign
up
and
have
the
ability
to
comment
without
everyone
having
to
come
to
a
meeting
on
a
tuesday
afternoon.
A
Saying
for
everyone
right
like
if
we
talk
about
all
the
departments
that
look
at
everything
we
talk
about
residents
who
want
to
be
aware
of
what's
happening
and
provide
input?
Does
that
all
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
accomplish
that
without
having
everybody
have
to
meet
contemporaneously
on
a
tuesday?
A
I
mean
you
know,
have
everyone
weigh
in?
Have
it
be
like
I'll
use,
google
doc
as
an
example,
but
obviously
that's
just
a
placeholder
for
probably
more
sophisticated
software,
have
a
collaborative
document
and
have
everyone
weigh
in
have
residents
be
able
to
be
aware
of
what's
happening
and
provide
input?
Have
people
whose
developments
these
are
get
the
guidance
that
they're
seeking
and
have
it
all
happen
without
having
everyone
have
to
meet
on
a
tuesday
afternoon?.
D
D
D
Does
it
rise
to
a
dapper
occasion?
I
think
the
bigger
issue
that
we've
talked
about
with
several
of
you
is:
does
this
meeting
need
to
be
public
and
does
this?
Does
this
still
need
to
be
an
open
public
staff
meeting
yeah?
We
can
we
convene
multiple
departments
regularly
for
different
activities
across
the
city
on
a
daily
basis,
doing
the
work
of
this
of
the
city
staff,
but
we
don't
normally
invite
in
the
public
to
do
those
meetings
too.
Okay
and.
E
I
would
add
to
that,
using
specifically
the
sidewalk
cafe
example,
that
particular
meeting
was
maybe
a
little
bit
over
20
minutes,
and
that
was
the
dialogue
that
was
able
to
occur
between
staff
and
the
actual
applicant.
If
the
applicant
were
to
seek
out
each
individual
department
or
staff
member,
that
would
take
a
little
bit
longer.
A
Well
again,
I
wouldn't
be
in
this
revolt,
I'm
not
looking
for
applicants
to
have
to
chase
12
different
departments.
There
would
be
like
a
one-stop
place
for
that
all
to
take
place,
because
I
mean
there's
still
public
meetings
after
this
at
land
use
this
committee
and
then
at
city
council
for
projects.
So
it's
not
like
things
would
be
going
without
public
meetings
were
in
the
traditional
sense
that
we're
accustomed
to
what
I'm
seeking
here
is
a
more
efficient
way
to
handle
this.
A
If
there
is
one
or-
and
you
know
for
residents
who
have
concerns
about
developments
that
aren't
their
development
but
are
near
their
homes,
they've
found
that
tuesday
afternoon
is
a
inconvenient
time.
D
Yeah,
so
we
can
do
that
like
we
have.
We
had
already
been
working
on
a
a
new
landing
page
for
development
in
evanston,
so
people
regularly
want
to
have
updates
on
things.
There's
the
longer
range
plans,
like
the
plan,
developments
that
people
want
to
know
what's
happening,
so
we
have
a
page
dedicated
that,
but
there's
minor,
variances
variances
all
the
things
that
megan
went
through,
that
we
could
create
a
landing
page
for
with
a
click,
submit
your
comments
because,
right
now
it
isn't
really
the
greatest
outcome.
D
If
people
have
to
take
time
another
day
to
come
to
a
city
staff
meeting,
also
setting
the
expectation
that
the
comments
that
there's
it's
still
an
open,
it's
a
staff
meeting,
so
we're
still
going
to
move
the
project
forward.
The
perception
that
there
is
something
that
could
happen
that
this
would
stop
at
staff.
Sometimes
people
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
stop
and
I
think
that's
an
unfortunate
outcome
that
people
think
if
they
show
up-
and
they
say
that
that's
democracy,
I'm
here
my
voice
is
heard
something
something
will
change.
D
I
usually
explain
at
the
beginning,
if
there's
members
of
the
public,
this
is
an
open
staff.
Meeting
this
project
will
move
forward.
You
can
talk
to
contact
your
alderman.
You
can
attend
the
land
use
commission
like
there's
other
options
for
you,
but
this
will
move
on
so,
but
that
I
can
see
as
a
resident.
That
would
be
very
frustrating.
Nonetheless,
right.
A
And
I
presume
that
there's
various
groups
that
are
involved
in
a
lot
of
these
I'm
thinking,
particularly
like
bird
friendly
evanston,
would
always
want
the
opportunity
for
input
at
the
earliest
stage
possible.
I'm
sure
there's
others
that
one
just
comes
to
mind
so,
like
still
preserving.
That
is
important,
but
I
just
wonder
if
the
goal
here
is
to
find
a
more
efficient
way
to
to
move
things
along
and
get.
They
still
come
to
like
traditional
public
bodies
for
discussion
and
that's
when
residents
who
are
seeking
to
stop
something.
D
I
would
say
the
meetings
the
one
that
megan
just
spoke
of
there
was
no
public
commenter
and
while,
as
planners,
we
encourage
and
want
to
have
community
engagement,
this
may
not
be
the
most
appropriate
moment
to
have
that
community
engagement
because
most
of
you
for
big
developments
or
things
that
might
draw
communities
community
members,
you
have
a
community
meeting
or
neighborhood
meeting.
You
have
some
some
activity
that
brings
out
members
of
the
public
to
to
talk.
The
city
staff
meeting
is
not
necessarily
the
best
time
for
that
or
venue
for
that.
D
There's
other
opportunities,
so
there's
nothing
in
the
code.
Presently
that
requires
us
to
have
an
open
public
meeting
special
events
board
of
local
improvement.
Those
are
all
city
staff
committees
that
make
recommendations
and
move
things
forward.
They
don't
have.
They
don't
have
public
public
staff
at
some
point
predating
me,
maybe
even
pre-dating
megan.
This
was
convened
as
a
public
staff
meeting
so
putting
the
proverbial
genie
back
in
the
bottle
at
the
direction
of
the
council.
D
We
could
work
through
something
if
that
is
what
is
desired,
but
this
is,
you
know,
we're
sort
of
here.
Here's
where
we
are
in
2022
with
what
we've,
what
we've
gotten.
E
G
Yeah,
thank
you
I
you
know.
I
I've
been
thinking
about
this
quite
a
bit
since
this
came
forward,
and
I
I
do
see
that
I
mean
I've
attended
a
number
of
dapper
meetings
over
the
years
and
I
see
the
synergy
and
value
of
having
the
staff
meet
together.
G
You
know
to
discuss
something
simultaneously,
but
I
also
do
think
that
the
public
has
sometimes
misconstrued
what
their
impact
is
at
dapper
and
what
the
dapper
outcome
means
and
conflated
it
with
before
this.
It
was
the
plan
commission
or
zba,
and
now
it's
the
land,
land
use
commission
and
really
that's
where
there
is
a
a
proper
forum
for
the
public
to
come.
G
That's
where
there's
procedures
that
go
on
the
record,
they're
they're
in
front
of
the
the
deciding
body,
so
I
think
the
some
of
the
confusion
sometimes
is,
and
what
is
the
outcome
from
a
dapper
meeting,
which
is
this
vote
and
when
really
actually
to
me,
what's
very
useful,
is
actually
reading
through
the
discussion
and
the
findings.
G
Not
necessarily
you
know
what
the
actual
numerical
vote
is.
I
think
that
gives
the
wrong
impression
to
the
public
that
that
it's
like
a
vote
at
land
use
or
it's
like
a
vote
at
the
council,
so
I
would
be
interested
in
working
on
this
myself
to
say
what
is
another
way
to
as
as
director
naidan
is
saying
clarify
to
the
public.
What
the
role
is,
but
I
also
see
I
agree
with
you.
G
Council,
member
separate
and
tuesday
afternoon
is
not
convenient
for
the
you
know
the
vast
majority
of
the
public
to
come
to
what's
a
better
way
to
get
the
public's
input.
On
that
I
know
many.
You
know
I
get
cc's
of
public
comments
that
are
submitted
to
the
dapper.
I
think
beefing
that
up
and
making
that
more
available
and
letting
people
know
submit
your
comment
before
dapper.
G
If
this
is
an
issue
that
you
have
concerns
on
and
then
but
recognize
that
dapper's
role
is
making
sure
that
they're,
not
the
right
number
of
fire
exits,
making
sure
the
site
siting,
is
correct.
Making
sure
that
you
know
the
police
have
if
they
have
a
comment
on
security
issues
and
those
are
all
very
much
kind
of
normal,
typical
staffing
types
of
of
information
that
any
developer
would
want
to
know
before
they
move
forward.
But
the
political
issue
and
the
other
issues
that
are
the
standards
that
the
land
use.
Commission
use.
G
No,
no,
I
think
so
so
so
that
it
so
and
then
directing
the
public
to
the
proper
forum,
which
is
the
land
use
commission
and
then
here
where
there
is,
if
there
is,
they
can
certainly
submit
comments,
but
I
think
what
a
lot
of
people
think
they're
doing
at
dapper
actually
belongs
at
land
use,
and
so
I
would
suggest
you
know
I
know
councilman
reid
wants
to
speak,
but
I
think
that
I
would
suggest
that
we
hold
this
in
committee
and
have
and
I'm
happy
to
work
with
staff
to
to
say
what's
a
way
that
we
still
have
a
good
road
map
for
developers
or
anyone
who
wants
to
develop
in
the
community.
G
But
we
have
clarification
for
the
community
that
here's
the
way
to
provide
input.
Here's
how
you
learn
about
what
dapper
did
and
here's
with
the
next
step
of
where
you
sh,
where,
where
you
should
go
to,
if
you're,
if
you're,
have
further
comments
or
want
to
support
or
oppose
an
issue,
it's
the
land,
use
commission
and
then
it's
then
it's
here
at
the
council.
F
Thank
you
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
observations
council
member
wen.
So
as
it
stands
now,
I
am
supportive
of
the
proposal
for
a
number
of
reasons,
one
to
clarify
for
the
community.
What
the
role
of
this
of
that
particular
body
is
of
dapper
is,
but
I
just
have
a
few
questions,
and
so
this
may
not
be
for
you,
miss
jones,
but
may
actually
be
more
suited
for
a
legal
department
can
just
generally
can
staff
serve
on
a
committee.
F
Can
are
staff
allowed
to
serve
as
members
voting
members
of
a
committee.
H
Okay,
I
would
have
to
double
check,
but
I
can
definitely
look
into
that
for
you.
F
Okay,
okay,
so
I'd
like
an
answer
on
that,
my
belief
now
is
no
that
they
cannot
serve
on
a
committee
on
a
city
committee.
Is
that
incorrect
right.
G
H
Yes,
but
I
you
would
have
to
let
me
know
if
this
answers
your
question,
so
staff
can
attend
committees
that
are
a
function
of
city
council,
but
they
can't
vote
with
the
committees.
Okay,.
F
Yeah
yeah,
so
staff
cannot
serve
on
a
as
a
voting
member
of
a
committee
that
reports
to
city
council,
which
essentially
every
committee,
has
a
subcommittee
of
council.
They
report
to
accounts
so
so
one
just
staff
can't
serve
on
the
committee.
So
the
the
fact
that
this
would
I
get
that
we're
saying
this
isn't
necessarily
a
committee.
It's
almost
like
a
staff
committee
and
a
task
force
that
just
combines
various
minds.
That's
totally
fine.
F
F
But
my
next
question
is:
is
there?
Is
there
any
other
and
also,
I
believe,
and
the
residents
getting
an
opportunity
for
feedback
and
to
have
communication
and
sure
feedback,
but
what
I?
The
presentation
that
I
just
saw
seems
more
like
an
administrative
function.
F
F
E
F
It
so
it's
an
administrative
body
that
performs
a
perfunctory
if
you
will
administrative
duty
making
sure
things
check
boxes.
Can
anyone
give
an
example
of
a
again
community
input
is
great,
but
can
someone
give
another
example
of
a
committee
or
a
staff
structure
where
it
functions
similar
to
dapper.
F
If
I
can
say,
if
I
jump
in
right
there
on
that,
one
board
of
local
improvements
is
mandated
by
state
law
and
as
the
former
clerk
I
said
on
that,
so
I
know
that
it's
mandated
by
state
law.
It
has
to
be
public,
it's
not
quite
the
same,
and
there
is
a
bit
of
they
appropriate
funds
to
something
it
isn't
just
purely
administrative.
D
F
Okay,
so
then
that
might
also
be
a
committee
that
we
need
to
look
at,
because,
if
they're
taking
votes
and
if
it
is
the
interpretation
of
our
law
department,
that
a
committee
can't
that.
H
Is
reporting?
Let
me
let
me
just
for
clarification,
so
that's
why
I
asked
you
what
type
of
committee
you
were
referring
to
so
dapper
isn't
a
board
commission
or
committee
in
the
sense
that
it
is
an
extension
of
city
council.
So
that's
why
I
was
asking
what
type
of
committee
you're
referring
to
if
it's
a
staff
committee,
then,
although
the
colloquial
term
that
we
would
use,
would
be
committee,
it's
not
the
same
legal
entity
as
would
be
a
committee
that
is
an
extension
of
city
council.
F
Okay,
I
I
wonder
what
makes
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
get
too
deep
into
the
legal
of
that
I
mean
that
may
not
be
the
most
important
thing.
I
think,
although
I
would
say
this
committee
does
straddle
the
line
it
seems
like
it
sends
recommendations
up
to
this
body
and
to
other
bodies.
It
seems
like
it
plays
the
role
of
a
body
that
I
think
most
in
the
community
developers
would
all
interpret
as
an
extension
of
the
city
council.
Given
that
you
know
folks
are
always
kind
of
told
like
this.
F
Is
your
first
stop
I'll
wrap
up
here?
I
I
support
the
proposal.
I
I
think
that
we
can
provide
community
input,
although
again
on
something.
That's
perfunctory.
The
community
input
really
comes
to
this
body
on
just
changing
the
laws
that
you
all
are
kind
of
looking
at
and
just
ensuring
that
everything
meets
the
check
boxes.
So
I
think
there's
a
way
that
we
can
achieve
that
with
without
creating
confusion
in
the
community
about
whether
or
not
this
is
a
committee.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Personally,
I'm
not
hung
up
on
the
word
committee
called
the
dapper
staff
meeting.
C
That
accomplishes
the
same
thing,
but
I
think
we
have
to
remind
ourselves
what
is
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve
here,
and
I
think
council
member
suffered
and
said
that,
if
I
could
paraphrase
we're
trying
to
make
this
easier
and
more
efficient,
both
for
applicants
and
for
residents,
is
that
yeah.
A
Kind
of
the
issue
simply
stated-
and
I
I
think
there's
also
and
and
this
is
a
city
manager
issue,
but
there's
probably
an
allocation
of
staff,
time
and
resources
that
could
be
done
more
efficiently
with
a
different
setup.
I
would
defer
to
that
yeah.
C
Well,
here's
my
take
on
that.
I
think,
from
the
perspective
of
applicants
having
everybody
in
the
room
at
the
same
time
is
probably
far
more
efficient
than
asking
that
person
to
wait
in
line
to
talk
to
five
different
departments
over
who
knows
how
many
weeks
I
think,
in
terms
of
efficiency.
From
the
applicant's
perspective,
the
current
arrangement
makes
sense.
A
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
jump
on
that.
I
I
don't
I'm
not
proposing
that
they
have
12
separate
meetings.
I
mean
it
would
be
some
sort
of
document,
or
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
software.
That
does
this
I
mean
like
they
don't
have
to
have
a
bunch
of
meetings
when
they
could
have
had
one
they
can
get
input
from
people
in
the
same
time
frame
that
we're
talking
about
without
the
damper
agenda
coming
out
I
mean
I'm,
not
I'm
not
trying
to
make
applicants
lives
harder,
either
understand.
C
C
I
was
just
invoking
them
as
an
example,
so
every
particular
meeting
might
not
be
the
the
the
input
of
every
particular
attendee
at
every
meeting
might
not
be
needed,
but
having
everybody
in
the
same
room
to
get
that
synergy.
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
C
C
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
the
community
is
aware
of
issues
that
are
coming
up
for
review
and
has
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in,
but
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
make
that
distinction
between
a
committee,
vote
or
committee
findings
and
comments
here
and
maybe
if
we
move
away
from
the
term
vote
as
you've
suggested
it's
not
as
if,
if
everyone
else
approves
it
and
the
fire
department
says
no
well,
he
loses
and
it
moves
on
like
that.
That's
not
the
intent
right!
C
It
has
to
check
every
box,
it's
not
just
the
majority
of
the
boxes,
so
the
concept
of
voting
really
doesn't
doesn't
apply.
Doesn't
make
sense,
and
so
you
know
from
from
dapper
a
recommendation
or
findings
would
be
delivered
to
to
the
land
use
commission
so
making
that
distinction,
I
think,
would
be
important
and
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
have
everybody
in
the
room.
At
the
same
time
like
I
would
defer
to
the
city
manager
on
that
or
the
department
director,
whatever
makes
the
most
sense
in
terms
of
staff
time.
C
That's
not
a
question
that
I
feel
I'm
qualified
to
answer
definitively
from
the
diocese,
but
it
seems
to
me
to
make
sense
to
have
them
all
in
the
same
room.
At
the
same
time,
if
another
arrangement
gets
the
job
done
not
opposed.
B
It
to
the
extent
that
perhaps
an
applicant
is
going
to
be
attending
one
of
these
meetings.
It
would
seem
reasonable
to
try
to
actually
have
a
dapper
meeting
as
opposed
to
everybody,
using
a
google
doc
to
provide
their
input,
and
I
do
think
there
probably
is
some
back
and
forth
between
staff
members.
That's
that's
helpful
for
the
discussion
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
is
well
pro
and
probably
having
a
date
for
a
meeting
gives
the
public
to
the
extent
that
they
want
to
chime
in,
to
make
a
comment.
B
It
gives
them
kind
of
a
deadline
to
think
about
getting
their
comments
in,
but
the
thing
that
would
help
speed
the
speed
the
process
up
for
applicants
is,
if
it's
not
a
public
meeting
that
requires
the
public
notice
x
number
of
days
in
advance.
There's
probably
it
probably
shortens
the
timeline
for
some
of
these
projects
to
to
move
through
the
process,
so
I
think
basically
bringing
bringing
dapper
in-house
in
the
dark
which,
which
sounds
awfully
untransparent,
I
think,
would
could
could
have
some.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
in
in
the
dark-
is
not
the
goal
and
having
staff
review
these
proposals
and
have
comments
and
input
that
travels
with
the
proposal
is
the
objective
here
as
well.
Council
member
burns.
I
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
comments
and
input
makes
sense.
I
think
my
biggest
frustration
is,
I
feel,
like
a
lot
of
the
meetings
that
we
do
and
we
just
need
to
figure
out
how
to
get
the
capacity
to
do
that.
Do
this
should
be
hybrid
right.
There
should
be
a
way
to
view
it
both
in
person
but
also
online,
and
for
you
for
there
to
be
a
comment
section
where
people
can
not
only
leave
input,
but
it's
automatically
recorded
because
it's
live
they're
providing
input.
So
I
don't
think
this
is
the
solution.
I
I
think
a
hybrid
solution
where
we
still
have
the
benefit
of
developers
and
community
members
and
staff
being
able
to
meet
in
person
together
is
still
the
best
option
and
I
don't
think
it's
efficient
for
community
members
to
have
to
read
through
and
sort
through
everything
in
writing
and
not
having
any
video
presentation,
there's
also
a
benefit
of
having
a
developer
present.
You
know,
what's
in
the
packet
and
community
members
being
able
to
observe
that
and
take
it
in
that
way,
as
opposed
to
having
to
read
through
a
bunch
of
stuff.
I
I
don't,
I
don't
think,
that's
the.
I
don't
think
that
benefits
the
residents
who
want
to
observe
these
meetings,
so
I
think
I'm
for
every
all
the
additions.
I
think
we,
you
know
we
should
find
a
way
to
better
record
public
comment.
We
should
find
a
way
to
make
it
clear
to
them
what
what
influence
that
has
in
the
process,
but
I
would
I
I
still
support.
I
still
see
a
benefit
in
in-person
meetings.
I
don't
think
we
should
take.
Take
that
away.
A
Is
there
any
further
discussion
seeing
none,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
have
us
vote
on
this
with
the
understanding
I
know
councilman
you
expressed
concerns
and
that
this
isn't
a
faked
product
and
we
can
make
amendments
by
council,
but
I'd
like
to
vote
on
it
tonight.
A
But
I
know
I'm
open
to
an
amendment
incorporating
the
items
from
this
discussion.
I
mean
I
I
I
don't
think
like
you,
I
don't
think
having
the
fire
department.
Not
look
at
stuff
is
the
way
we
want
to
go.
No,
I
don't
think
an
in-person
meeting
at
two
o'clock
on
every
tuesday,
regardless
of
what
else
is
going
on,
is
necessarily
the
best
way.
I
like
appreciate
that
there
are
multiple
people's
workflow
involved
in
this,
so
I'll
be
deferential
on
what
the
best
way
maybe
to
go
forward
with
this
is.
I
would
like
to
vote.
G
Mr
chair
I'd
like
to
move
to
hold
this
here
in
committee
and
work
on
this
here
in
committee
until
before,
we
send
it
on
to
the
council.
G
I
G
G
I
would
table
it
to
the
first
meeting
in
june.
Thank
you,
which
is
june
13th,
okay,.
A
A
All
right,
so
this
is
tabled
into
the
first
meeting
of
planning
development
in
june.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
that's
correct!
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
item
p3
ordinance
43022,
granting
a
special
use
permit
for
a
cannabis
dispensary
at
1804,
maple
avenue
in
the
rp
research
park
district.
This
is
for
introduction.
A
F
A
F
Yep
who's
staff
on
this
everybody's
leaving
the
room.
F
A
All
right,
so
we
need
to
vote
on
this
now.
This
is
an
item
p3
all
in
favor
hi,
any
opposed
all
right.
So
that
item
passes.
That
brings
us
to
items
for
discussion.
There
are
none.
That
brings
us
to
items
for
communication,
also
known,
and
we
are
adjourned.