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A
A
As
well
as
members
tuning
in
remotely
and
so
we're
gonna
do
a
roll
call.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
contribute
some
comments
later.
If
the
chair
will
indulge
me-
and
I
appreciate
you
recognizing.
A
All
right,
moving
on
to
approval
of
minutes
of
the
regular
planning
and
development
committee
meeting
of
may
9
2022
can
I
have
a
motion,
please
so
move
all
right.
Any
discussion
seeing
none.
C
Doing
a
role
call
for
this
too:
okay,
sorry,
council,
member
newsman,
all
right,
councilmember
burns,
aye,
councilman,
ravel,
aye,
councilmember,
reed,
aye,
council
member,
heidi
kadis.
E
F
Good
evening
I
am
pat
fowler
evanston
resident,
also
owned
the
firehouse
grill
restaurant
chicago
and
main
street
here
tonight
to
urge
the
committee
to
consider
moving
p3
the
amendment
for
billboards
to
city
council.
F
For
us
you
know
being
a
retail
business
every
source
of
revenue.
We
can
get's
really
really
important.
Looking
into
getting
a
billboard
on
the
back
of
our
building.
I've
talked
with
a
couple
businesses
that
are
willing
to
do
it,
but
current
city
code
doesn't
allow
for
us
to
do
that.
F
So
what
I'm
proposing
is
along
the
the
l
tracks
just
behind
the
building,
so
obviously
getting
more
retail
revenue
would
be
be
very
helpful
for
us
and
also
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
get
permit
revenue
as
well
if
the
billboards
were
allowed
in
other
parts
of
town.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
considering
it.
A
Thank
you,
sir
council
member
suffered
him.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
comment?
Did
I
hear
that
correctly.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
No,
I
would
just
like
to
hear
passage
of
both
p1
and
p3
I'll,
just
be
real,
quick
about
the
billboards,
particularly
you
know.
It's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
help.
Businesses
realize
some
income
and
also
there
can
be
a
piece
for
the
city
in
terms
of
fees
and
revenue
generated
that
way.
It's
something
that
we
should
consider
looking
at
for
our
facilities.
D
You
know
if
you
go
to
james
park
now,
you'll
see
that
there
are
advertisements
on
the
various
fields
already
robert
crown
their
advertisements
in
the
ice
rink.
You
know
the
concept
of
billboards
themselves
aren't
necessarily
that
offensive
and
well.
I
appreciate
the
land
use
commission's
position.
They
have
a
different
purview
than
we
do.
They
are
not
tasked
with
being
supportive
of
local
businesses
or
generating
revenue
or
balancing
a
budget.
So
I
encourage
passage
of
both
p1
and
p3,
and
thank
you
for
the
time
mr
chair.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
those
comments.
Moving
on
to
items
for
consideration
can
someone
move
p1,
please.
A
You
made
the
motion.
I
could
read
it:
52022
amending
city
code,
title
vi,
zoning
to
remove
references
to
the
plan,
commission
and
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
to
include
reference
to
the
land.
Use
commission
has
been
motioned
by
councilman,
menusma
and
seconded
by
councilmember
revell.
Any
discussion.
H
C
Okay,
let
the
record
okay,
we
got
an
eye
from
him:
okay,
council
member
harry
kattis,
hi.
A
G
A
H
Councilman
manussman,
I
do
have
some
questions
here
and
I
guess
this
is
probably.
G
For
staff,
the
way
that
memo
was
phrased,
the
the
committee
would
still
meet
in
a
less
formal
setting
and
would
still
vote,
and
I
have
questions
on
the
on
the
terminology.
Vote,
which
implies
a
democratic
process
of
you
know,
of
rendering
some
qualitative
judgment.
G
But
I'm
not
sure
if
that
precisely
explains
what
actually
happens,
because
it's
not
as
if,
for
example,
everybody,
but
the
representative
from
the
police
department
could
be
happy
with
something
and
the
police
department
would
get
out
voted
right.
That
would
that's
not
clearly
the
intent
of
of
the
process
here.
So
if
you
could
just
explain
that
a
little
bit
better.
C
I
think
right
now,
when
we
do
vote
formally
there
is
this
sense
of
dapper
has
voted
this
down
and
like
that's
not
what
has
happened.
It's
just
the
voting
is
the
democratic
way
to
formulate
a
recommendation
to
when
things
move
forward.
So
I
think
that
there
would
still
be
the
process
by
which
okay
we're
you
know,
do
the
the
count.
You
know
who's
who's
ready
to
move
this
project
forward,
because
sometimes
the
project
isn't
quite
right.
We've
had
we
just
had
one
at
2044
wesley,
where
there
were
still
some
outstanding
questions.
C
We
kept
it
at
dapper.
They
got
some
more
information,
they
refined
some
plans,
they
gave
us
more
information
and
then
we
were
able
to
say
okay,
we're
ready
that
you
now
look
like
you've
addressed
some
of
the
issues
for
the
code,
we're
going
to
move
this
forward.
So
I
think
that's
the
idea
there
is
that
we're
trying
to
just
build
some
consensus.
C
Among
staff,
and
then
we
also
gave
a
better
more
finer
grain
approach
to
some
of
our
recommendations
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
the
issues
related
to
public
works
and
community
development
and
fire
were
sort
of
more
demarcated.
That
way.
So
if
there
isn't,
if
there
is
a
split
perspective
or
split
findings
on
this,
we're
better
calling
out
public
works
fire
or
somebody
else
has
those
those
particular
issues
and
less
so.
C
Staff.
Is
this
general
body
and
trying
to
stick
more
to
the
code
and
the
evaluation
measures
that
are
already
lined
out
in
the
comments.
So.
G
The
intent
of
the
process
is
for
staff
review
it's
for
proposals
to
go
through
staff
review
before
they
get
to
the
land
use
commission
to
ensure
that
they
are
code
compliant
right,
which
is
a
fairly
balls
and
strikes
right
kind
of
call
right.
It's
a
voting
voting
is
something
the
council
should
do.
It's
not
something
a
staff
committee
should
do
is
what
I'm
getting
at,
but
that's
not
the
intent
right.
C
And
we
wouldn't-
and
we
have
never
to
my
knowledge,
put
in
a
memo
other
than
in
minutes,
and
I
think
what
I
think
it
was
made
at
the
last
pnd
meeting
where
there
was
this
desire
to
see
more
of
like
a
sort
of
findings.
Of
fact,
in
terms
of
here,
are
the
you
know,
standards
or
things
that
we've
we
found
out
from
the
project
or
in
review
and
and
provide
those
comments.
Those.
C
H
C
So
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
better
highlight
those
versus
the
staff,
I
mean
that
we
are
a
council
manager
for
a
government.
We
write
staff
recommends,
but
I
think
providing
more
background
on
that
is,
would
be
helpful
to
everybody.
C
C
So
I
said
okay,
he
can
come
back
next
week,
but
really
it
was
probably
an
item
and-
and
you
were
both-
I
don't
know
if
you
joined
at
that
point.
But
the
the
item
was
a
pretty
minor
ish
item.
It
was
but
needed
to
get
reviewed
by
staff
if
we'd
gotten
those
items
later
in
the
new
world
system
of
what
we're
dealing
with.
If
we'd
gotten
those
documents
later
that
afternoon,
staff
might
have
been
able
to
look
at
it
depending
on
the
depth
of
what
they
needed
to
do.
C
C
A
Yeah
we're
gonna
stand
at
ease,
we
are
being
asked
to
yeah
to
to
shelter
in
a
basement
or
so
we're
going
to
take
a
break,
and
we
will
be
back
shortly,
we're
at
p2
just
to
reiterate
we're
at
p2
ordinance,
34,
oh
22,
title
4,
chapter
14,
design
and
project
review,
diaphragm
city
code
and
we'll
pick
back
up
with
council
menusma's
comments
or
questions.
Thank
you.
G
Mr
chair
yeah,
so
I
had
some
questions
remaining
about.
I
think
we
covered
the
the
impact
on
efficiency
and
the
intent
is
that
this
will
save
staff
time
and
result
in
hopefully
even
faster
processing
times.
From
the
applicant's
perspective,
I
would
like
to
talk
about
transparency
because
taking
this
kind
of
offline,
removing
a
public
meeting,
what
used
to
be
a
public
meeting
and
making
it
a
non-public
process
is
a
step
away
from
transparency,
and
how
can
we
address
those
concerns.
C
C
There's
no
open
meetings,
act
requirements
to
my
to
my
understanding
for
for
this
this
group,
but
it
just
happened
that,
as
time
went
on,
we
took
comments
from
invested
neighbors
and
it
turned
into
this
public
meeting
of
sorts.
C
So
in
terms
of
how
we
maintain
the
knowledge
and
information
that
this
stuff
is
going
on
one
we
report
this,
we
do
a
lot
of
reporting
of
anything
that
happens
at
dapper
in
the
city
managers,
the
weekly
city
managers
report.
So
we
had
already
been
talking
as
staff
as
how
we
maybe
bolster
that
a
little
bit
provide
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
on
the
on
what
would
be
reviewed
through
the
what
we're
calling
it
now
the
dapper
process,
not
the
dapper
committee.
C
The
dapper
process
provide
more
of
our
findings
of
fact,
and
the
comments
that
that
have
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
producing
minutes,
but
we
could
be
producing
the
staff
comments
from
those
reviews.
We've
also
talked
about
when
we
send
out
cards
for
minor
variances
which
never
come
before
have
come
before
the
dapper
committee.
They
come
before
a
small
group
of
staff.
C
C
If
people
wanted
to
provide
comments
to
311
capture
that,
because,
as
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people,
two
o'clock
on
a
tuesday
isn't
a
great
time
for
people
to
come,
so
we
regularly
get
feedback
that
people
want
staff
to
meet
in
the
evening
to
do
this
meeting,
which
really
isn't
the
purpose
of
this
group
it's
to
do
our
normal
city
job.
So
I
think
we
were
already
feeling
a
pressure
to
to
create
a
different,
transparent
process
for
people
to
provide
comments.
C
C
I'm
going
to
suspect
that
most
of
you
are
probably
already
talking
about
these
items
at
your
regular
meetings
or
if
it's
a
hot
button,
enough
issue
you're,
probably
going
to
have
a
meeting
about
that
particular
topic.
But
I
think
it
also
sets
a
better
expectation
when
people
come
to
have
come
to
these
meetings
and
it's
really
we
get
them,
maybe
for
the
plan,
developments
that
have
that
are
more
controversial,
and
maybe
you
know
some
specific
neighborhood
projects
that
people
have
some
concerns
about.
C
You
know
one
of
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
challenges
there
is
people
think
that
this
is
a
way
to
stop
the
process
and
when
we've
met,
that's
really
not
the
moment
to
stop.
There's
nothing.
Staff
can
do
we're
just
checking
to
make
sure
there's
conformance
with
the
code.
C
So
I
think
that
there's
from
a
transparency
standpoint,
it's
in
some
ways
kind
of
frustrating
for
the
members
of
the
public
to
see
this
and
feel
like
they're,
not
being
heard
and
transparency
wise
going
to
a
community
meeting
before
something
is
quote:
unquote,
entered
a
process
or
being
at
the
land.
Use
commission,
where
there
is
a
process,
is
probably
in
some
ways
a
better
transparent
and
more
democrat
reflected
democratic
community
that
we're
trying
to
be.
H
I
think
that's
it
for
me.
Councilmember
reveal.
I
Just
a
couple
of
quick
questions,
because
I
do
find
the
the
dapper
minutes
that
go
to
the
land,
use
commission
and
then
ultimately
come
to
planning
and
development.
I
find
those
very
helpful.
So
so
would
you
still
be
providing
some
kind
of?
Yes,
we
would
staff,
okay,
that
yeah.
I
do
find
that
very
helpful
and
and
if,
if
the
staff
votes
no
on
a
proposal,
the
the
applicant
can
still
take
it
to
the
land.
Use
commission.
Is
that
correct?
Absolutely.
C
I
Right
yep!
Well,
I
do
I
do
think
you
know
this,
it
does
create
a
more
efficient
process,
and,
and
yet
it
still
provides
a
a
way
for
all
the
staff
to
provide
their
fee,
their
input
and-
and
I
do
think
it's
very
helpful
for
the
applicant
to
be
able
to
be
so.
The
applicant
would
be
able
to
be
attend.
Some
of
these
gatherings
of
all
the
relevant
staff.
C
C
So
I
think
that's
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
the
the
applica
absolutely
applicant,
they're.
Anybody
who
needs
to
participate,
but
then
you
know
this
also
gives
us
flexibility.
Sometimes
applicants
don't
want
to
come
physically.
We
we
like
to
meet
physically
in
person
because
it's
been
a
really
good
experience
since
we
started
meeting
it
in
the
spring,
but
for
some
really
simple
things:
it's
not
worth
it
for
somebody
to
drive
an
hour,
45
minutes
to
get
here
for
something
that
could
be
30
minutes
and
then
driving
an
hour
45..
C
J
Yeah,
I
generally
support.
J
I
J
Staff
you
know
seeking
is
this
in
compliance
with
code
or
not?
I
think,
if
anything,
there
shouldn't
be
a
vote.
There
should
just
be
a
determination
that,
as
it
stands,
it's
in
compliance
or
as
it
stands,
it's
not
in
compliance
and
then
leave
the
vote
at
you
know
nothing
further
than
that
or
just
an
explanation
where
and
where
it
is
not
in
compliance,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
reflected
in
this
and.
A
Thank
you,
cno,
no
other
comments.
What
I
will
say
is
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
heard
I've
heard
a
lot
is
sometimes
the
community
feels
like
they
don't
they're,
not
aware
of
a
project
until
it's
much
further
along
in
the
process,
and
here
we
have
in
dapper
an
opportunity
for
not
only
the
developer
and
not
only
staff
but
community
members,
members
of
the
public,
including
the
elected
public,
to
to
join
a
meeting,
not
necessarily
to
provide
comment,
but
just
to
listen
in
and
learn
about
that
project,
but
also
through
that
project.
A
A
You
could
even
bring
a
model
in
and
it's
a
lot
more
informal
than
what
I
think
the
land
use
commission
is
which
is
a
quasi-judicial
body,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
on-ramp
not
only
for
again
staff
and
developers,
but
for
community
members
and
elected
officials
and
I'm
fine
with
most
everything.
Everything
really
we've
said.
The
only
thing
that
I
would
add
is,
I
think
we
need
to
record
it.
A
We
can
do
it
similar
to
what
we
do
with
reparations,
where
it's
not
a
live
recording,
but
it
is
a
it's.
Those
meetings
are
recorded
and
it's
placed
online
for
people
to
review.
I
don't
think
something
that
is
going
from
vid
in
person
to
writing,
makes
it
more
accessible.
I
barely
have
to.
I
don't
have
time
to
read
another
anything
like
from
the
packets
for
all
the
committees
that
I
sit
on,
which
is
pretty
much
all
of
them
and
the
city
council.
A
I
don't
have
time,
and
I
don't
think
our
community
members
have
a
ton
of
time
to
to
read
through
yet
another
document
to
try
to
keep
up
with
with
what's
happening
with
the
city
and
it's
much
easier
to
just
go
in
person.
If
it's
something
of
interest
to
you
or
to
watch
a
video
recording,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
just
some
way
where,
where
we
could
provide
a
recording,
I
think
moving
it
to
remote
might
be
a
way
to
do
it.
A
Unless
you
know,
staff
feels
like
it's
important
to
meet
in
person
from
time
to
time,
but
I
think
a
remote
is
a
good
way
to
get
everybody
at
the
meeting,
but
also
it's
there's
an
easy
recording
function
within
zoom
or
google
meeting.
I
think
that
would
be
just
fine
and
when
we
send
out
those
notices,
as
you
said,
there
could
be
a
link
to
those
videos
so
that
people
know
okay
the
day
after
the
the
meeting
I
can
go
on
in
and
you
know
skip
directly
to
the
part
of
the
discussion.
A
That's
referring
to
the
project,
that's
in
my
neighborhood
and
I
think
it's
important.
Not
to
get
an
interpretation
of
what
went
on
and
not
only
to
know
like
what
the
determinations
were,
but
to
be
able
to
follow
the
fact
pattern
and
how
those
decisions
were
made.
I
think,
is
incredibly
important
early
on
in
the
stage.
So
that's
what
I
don't
know
if
I
need
a
motion
for
that
or
if
we
can
at
least
come
back.
Is
this
just
consideration.
A
So
if
we
could
just
come
back
with,
you
know,
don't
need
doesn't
need
a
response
today,
but
just
you
know
something
that
we
can
do.
I'm
sure
there's
some
research,
that
staff
needs
to
do
to
determine
costs
and
all
of
that,
but
I'd
love
to
sounds.
C
Like
we
can
do
that,
I
would
be
reluctant
to
make
some
of
this
an
ordinance.
I
think
we
administratively
we
can
handle
some
of
these
things,
the
one
I
can
tell
I
can
look
at
a
dapper
jenna
and
tell
you
after
doing
this
for
many
years,
what
items
are
going
to
pull
call
out
people?
It's
usually
a
commercial
project,
that's
next
to
residential
anything
that
involves
a
balcony
anything
that
is
a
new
development
on
a
previously
lower.
You
know,
any
downtown
bigger
developments
are
gonna
are
gonna
draw
people,
I
also
don't
know.
C
If
dapper
is
the
proper,
I
mean
we
also
have
four
or
five
items
sometimes
on
these
agendas.
So
when
people
want
to
say
something
we're
also
often
asking
them
to
be
brief
and
there's
not
a
chance
for
them
to
get
that
hands-on
kind
of
open
house
kind
of
feeling
we
could
think
about.
You
know
I
could
take
feedback
and
we
could
figure
this
out,
but
some
kind
of
open
house
that
doesn't
have
to
happen
with
under
this
dapper
process.
It
could
be
some
kind
of
open
house
that
precedes
it.
C
The
community
development
department,
the
staff,
is
happy
to
help
host
something
like
that
with
a
developer,
so
people
can
see
it
ex.
You
know:
ask
questions
get
there.
You
know
we
can
be
that
staff
can
be
there
to
absorb
the
comments
and
get
feedback
on
these
things.
You
know
happy
to
do
that
in
advance
of
of
the
actual
design
and
project
review
process,
but
I
think
to
have
it.
C
I
want
to
give
people
more
opportunity
to
get
feedback
and
give
feedback,
but
you
know
in
recording.
We
can
certainly
record
the
you
know
record
meetings
in
person.
We
can.
We
can
link
up,
but
I
think
the
meetings
run
more
efficiently
when
we're
in
person.
We
have
a
better,
we
get
better
feedback,
people
aren't
doing
other
things
while
they're
on.
I
get
a
better,
attentive
staff
when
we're
in
those
meetings
yeah.
So.
A
I
would
just
say
to
determine
what
the
cost
is
to
do
a
narrow,
a
targeted
list
of
dapper
meetings
that
you
know.
Typically,
you
know
get
higher
turnouts
again.
We
just
saw
a
town
home
a
30.
A
You
know
unit
townhome
project
in
the
fifth
ward
right,
that's
one
where
it
would
be
great
to
have
that
meeting
recorded
and
provided
online.
I
learned
a
lot
myself
and
I
know
the
community
would
as
well.
So
I
would
say,
since
this
is
intro,
if
we
could,
you
know
you've
heard
my
our
concerns.
My
concerns,
if
you
could
just
come
back
with
like
costs,
even
if
it's
for
a
more
narrow,
targeted
list
of
dapper
meetings
and
maybe
not
every
dapper.
J
A
A
Information
just
is
again,
is
you
know
the
targeted
list
and
costs
so
that
we
could
at
least
discuss
that
as
a
council
and
know
what
we
would
need
to
do
to
provide
continue
to
provide
that
those
meetings
in
a
recorded
fashion,
any
other
comments
or
questions
before
we
vote
on
this
all
right,
seeing
none.
I
think
we
can
call
the.
H
H
A
All
right
that
pass
that
will
be
moving
on
the
council.
That
brings
us
to
p3.
Can
someone
move
item
p3.
A
A
It
councilman
reed.
I
F
I
Right,
yeah
right
because
so
looking
at
the
definition
of
billboard,
that's
in
our
packet,
that's
different
from
what
you're
asking
for,
because
it's
asking
for
the
billboard
definition
talks
about
a
sign,
that's
on
a
location
other
than
on
the
on
the
structure
on
the
property
itself.
So
I
I'm
thinking
what
you're
looking
for
is
an
expanded
definition
of
a
sign.
A
J
To
me,
I
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
we
need
to
add
more
billboards
anywhere
in
the
city.
I
think
we
can.
J
C
I
wouldn't
know
how
much
it
would
get
I
mean
if,
if
we
collect
a
fee
for
it,
I
think
we
have
a
handful
of
them
still
in
existence.
It's
not.
J
C
Yeah,
I
I
I
would
say
for
any
my
experience
in
revenue
generating
things
you
you
need
to
have
a
lot
of
them
to
for
it
to
justify
the
staff
time
and
the
cost.
So
a
lot
of
the
things
we
like
contractor
registration,
where
we
tell
everybody
to
pay
a
fee,
so
they
can
do
construction
work,
replace
the
license
that
we
used
to
require
of
people,
but
the
volume
that
we,
because
we
require
all
the
contractors
to
do
that.
C
J
Agreed
unless
there's
some
kind
of
monthly
fee
that
we
imposed
on
this
and
even
then
I
don't
think
it
would
generate
much
revenue,
and
you
know
I'll
just
note
another
thing
I
I
don't
know
where
or
how
in
evanston
you
can
create
a
billboard,
that's
not
visible
from
the
street,
that's
also
visible
to
the
l.
I
just
don't
think
that
that's
pr
it
may
not
be
facing.
J
F
So
it
would
be
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
along
the
l
track.
So
the
way
you
know
the
way
it
is
now
the
l
comes
to
just
about
the
first
story
of
the
building
that
there's
two
stories
so
where
that
second
story
goes
above
the
l
there's
a
brick.
You
know
like
a
brick
wall
that
goes
along
right
there.
So
if
it's
on
that
side
of
the
building,
I
I
don't
see
anything.
A
A
Are
you
any
more
questions
comments.
J
A
Yeah,
I
feel
the
same
way
and
I
wasn't
descriptive
as
to
where
exactly
this
was,
but
in
a
conversation
we
had
during
the
break
it
it.
It
allowed
me
to
understand
that
this
would
be.
This
would
not
be
visible
from
the
street,
and
even
if
it's
somewhat
visible,
I
still
would
be
okay,
because
right,
I'm
not
hung
up.
If
you
can.
A
J
You
know
to
be
one:
it'd
have
to
have
one
face,
and
here
it
says
faces
so
it'd
have
to
be
a
single
face,
it
would
have
to
be
affixed
to
a
building
and
it
would
have
to
be
facing
away
from
the
public
way
and
so
or
I
don't
know
if
the
train
is
considered,
yeah
yeah,
it
can
be
facing
toward
a
train
line.
I
don't
know
how
we
write
that
with
legalese
I'll
leave
that
to
council,
but
that's
what
I'd
be
supportive
and
now
that
I
think
of
it.
J
If
we're
not
talking
about
the
erected
billboards,
then
I
take
the
train
here
at
foster
all
the
time
and
at
foster
there's
a
billboard
that
you
can
see
for
dial-a-mate.
I
believe
it
is
that's
affixed
to
the
building
where,
like
pizza
hut,
is
or
something
like
that,
and
so
there
are
with
that
understanding
of
exactly
what
you're
trying
to
do,
and
maybe
you
know,
while
we're
not
talking
about
your
case
specifically,
we
can
draft
the
law
in
a
way
that
allows
that
I
think
we
can.
J
C
I
was
gonna
say
something
else,
but
council
member
suffered
and
is
asked
to
be
added
to
comments.
I.
A
See
councilmember
hetticottis
is
your
hand
up
as
well.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
comment.
E
Sure
I
just
want
one
question
for
staff:
that's
there.
If
we
allow
for
special
use,
they
still
have
to
be
approved
correct.
So
this
wouldn't
be
like
an
open.
E
You
know,
season
to
you
know,
have
have
your
put
up
a
billboard,
but
all
these
things
would
still
it's
special
use.
You'd
have
to
go
through
the
proper
channel
to
get
it.
Okay
right.
E
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
was
just
gonna
say
you
know
putting
aside
mr
fowler's
nascent
proposal.
A
part
of
the
issue
that
came
up
with
this
is
that
we
don't
have
any
sort
of
framework
for
allowing
this
anyway
and
that
that's
the
discussion
that
I
really
want
us
to
have.
I
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
revenue
the
city
could
realize
from
fees
for
billboards
on
private
property
might
be.
D
But
one
thing
that
I
had
a
brief
conversation
with
sean
schulich
about
is
like
what
potential
revenue
could
the
city
get
from
advertisement
on
city
property?
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
property
along
the
train
lines.
You
know
I
mentioned
before
at
james
park
right
now
there
are
ads
on
the
scoreboards
and
on
the
batting
cage.
D
I
don't
know
that
chobani,
who
has
a
banner
on
the
batting
cage,
is
an
active
fee
payer,
there's
potential
for
us
to
realize
revenue
with
advertisements
on
city
property,
and
you
know,
depending
on
what
formulas
take.
If
those
are
digital
boards,
they
could
also
be
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
publicize
city
events
or
city
services,
as
they
rotate
through
advertisements
and
announcements.
D
So
you
know
I
I
think
that
it's
worth
considering
some
sort
of
framework
one
to
allow
for
people
like
mr
fowler
to
have
an
opportunity
to
explore
putting
advertising
on
the
private,
but
I
think
you
know
the
other
thing
in
the
larger
revenue
benefit
to
the
city
would
be
from
having
the
freedom
to
explore
what
type
of
revenue
the
city
could
get
from
advertisement
on
city
property,
whether
that's
facing
outward
like
it
would
be.
If
you
had,
you
know
billboards
facing
the
train
tracks,
or
I
know
inward.
D
If
you
had
an
information
kiosk
that
rotated
through
advertisements
or
something
like
that,
so
I
you
know,
I
think,
without
knowing
how
much
money
we're
leaving
on
the
table
by
not
doing
it.
It's
hard
to
say
whether
or
not
the
juice
is
worth
the
squeeze.
But
I
think
it's
a
conversation
that
is
worth
having
and
can
be
done
within
the
confines
of
the
aesthetic
concerns
that
were
raised
by
the
land
use
commission
and
I
would
imagine,
would
be
raised
by
members
of
the
community
as
well.
A
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
want
to
quickly
say
if
I
go
to
councilman
reid,
I
don't
think
it's.
I
agree
with
all
those
points
and
it's
also
not
a
simple
formula,
because
we
also
want
to
help
businesses
make
money
and
generate
revenue
and
stay
here
in
evanston.
So
we
also
have
to
incorporate
that
into
our
thinking.
Councilman
reid,
I'm
gonna,
we're
gonna
close
here
and
then
we're
gonna
likely.
It
sounds
like
we
need
to
work
on
this,
but
I'd
like
to
move
on
after
your
comments.
J
Yeah,
that's
where
my
comments
were,
which
is,
I
think
we
should
remand
this
back
to
the
whatever
committee.
C
J
Plan
the
the.
J
Committee
committee-
I
have
you,
know
a
resident
or
maybe
residents
who
serve
on
that
committee.
I
spoke
specifically
with
one
of
them.
Who's
been
active
on
that
committee
for
a
long
time.
I
think
it
has
been
the
common
practice
of
many
members
of
this
body
to
agree
with
what
came
before
with
what
the
committee
before
said
or
with
staff,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know,
given
the
comments
that
we
have
had
here
and
johanna
correct
me.
If
I,
if
I'm
wrong
you,
I,
I
suppose
you
staff,
landis,
correct.
J
You're
there,
and
so
my
point
in
raising
that
is
that
I
think
some
of
these
points
that
we
discussed
today
may
not
have
come
up
during
that
discussion,
particularly
based
on
my
conversation
with
one
of
the
members
today.
I
don't
think
the
idea
that
this
would
just
that
we
could
amend
it
in
a
way
to
only
allow
billboards
that
are
attached
to
a
building
and
all
the
other
stuff
we
discussed.
I
don't
think
that
came
up.
Did
it,
I
don't.
I.
C
Think
I
think
what
you're
talking
about
is
like
transit
oriented
billboarding,
so
I
think
what
has
come
up
is
it's
a
transit
oriented,
billboard
billboarding
like
t-o-b,
said
t-o-d
it's
t-o-b,
and
that
is
different
than
what
was
discussed
at
the
landis
commission
about
this.
I
think
they
were
looking
at
billboards
in
all
districts,
especially
uses
yeah.
J
A
Does
that
make
sense
how
a
second
all
right,
any
discussion
seeing
none?
Can
you
please
call
the
rule.
H
E
A
Okay,
motion
passed:
this
will
be
referred
back
to
the
land
use
commission
items
for
discussion,
d1,
summary
of
planning
and
development
subcommittee
discussion
regarding
rental
registration
and
licensing.
Do
we
have
a
quick
presentation
from
angel.
C
Of
time,
if
I
think
we
provided
a
pretty
robust
memo
on
the
what
has
happened
at
the
subcommittee
and.
G
C
We're
at
a
place
where
we're
prepared
to,
if
there's
additional
comments
or
input
but
study
the
feasibility
and
preparing
something
for
the
2023
budget.
J
Well,
I'm
preparing
something
for
the
23.
Are
we
talking
about
the
landlord
licensing
versus
rental,
correct
yeah?
So
what
what
are
you
prepared
to
bring
forward
for
budget
prepared.
C
I
think
that's
you
know,
my
understanding
is
what
kind
of
staff
we
would
need,
how
this
would
integrate
with
the
software
that
we're
we've
just
started:
we're
starting
to
onboard
the
modules
that
we've
built
out,
what
kind
of
fees
or,
and
just
the
general
how
we
would
roll
this
out
the
outreach
that
we
would
know.
We
know
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
that
people
know
what
this
is.
J
Yeah,
I
think
that
there's
still
discussions
to
be
had
in
a
committee,
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
allow
the
housing
subcommittee
to
move
on
with
this
work
and
look
at
three
unrelated
and
all
of
the
other
things
that
were
kind
of
really
meant
to
be
the
the
brunt
of
what
that
housing
subcommittee
was
to
look
at,
and
maybe
kick
this
to
another
to
another
committee
of
this-
a
subcommittee
to
allow
for
that
committee
to
really
focus
in
on
this.
This
issue.
I
Well,
I'm
loathed
to
see
us
create
another
subcommittee,
but
certainly
in
terms
of
input
for
the
2023
budget.
Definitely
we
need
to
have
a
database
software
setup.
That's
going
to
really
help
us,
whether
whether
we
continue
with
registration
or
with
shift
to
licensing.
We
really
need
to
have
that
in
place
and
for
sure
I,
my
understanding
is.
We
need
roughly
two
or
three
more
building
inspectors
and
and
and
a
staff
person
in
in
the
office
to
kind
of
keep
keep
feeding
things
into
the
database
and
helping
support
the
building
inspectors.
So.
I
And
then
I
guess
in
terms
of
all
the
material
that
was
referred
to
in
our
packet,
I
just
like
to
call
everybody's
attention
to
the
it's
called
it's
one
of
the
several
publications
by
alan
malek
that
were
referred
to
in
our
packet
and,
in
particular,
one
called
raising
the
bar
linking
landlord
incentives
and
regulation
through
rental
licensing.
And
what
and
basically
that
particular
publication
talks
about
what
a
municipality
should
do
to
create
a
licensing
program.
I
That's
going
to
work
effectively
and
one
of
the
very
first
things
that
it
recommends
is
that
you
do
a
really
important
community
engagement
process
so
in
particular
engaging
landlords
to
get
their
input
about
what
they,
how
they
would
view
this
licensing
program,
what
kinds
of
incentives
and
because
ultimately,
we
want
to
set
it
up,
and
then
we
want
the
landlords
to
participate.
I
And
so
I
think,
if
they're
engaged
in
the
process
of
helping
us
develop,
the
program
they'll
be
more
likely
to
be
part
of
the
program
and
get
licensed,
and
they
can
help
us
think
through
how
to
reach
out
to
other
landlords
and
what
kinds
of
incentives
to
build
into
the
program.
That
would
encourage
significant,
strong
participation
by
the
landlord
community.
I
So
I
don't
know
if
that
has
a
budget
implication,
but
I
guess
I
would
see
that
as
kind
of
the
next
step,
and
you
know
whether
that's
something
that
we
can
just
ask
staff
to
do
or
or
or
how
we
would
handle
that.
But
I
guess
I
would
suggest
that
that
be
a
really
important
next
step.
A
A
I
would
much
rather
the
the
option
that
councilman
reid
suggested,
which
is
we
refer
this
to
a
new
subcommittee
that
can
meet
twice
and
I
think
if
we
can
meet
twice
as
a
committee
along
with
non-voting
community
members,
which
I
would
recommend
people
like
gail,
schechter
and
cheryl
ring
and
cheryl
lawrence,
some
of
the
same
folks
that
we
had
on
our
town
hall
that
cabg
organized
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
think
we
can
get
something
in
front
of
the
council
to
react
to
and
vote
on.
We
haven't
had
that
opportunity.
A
Yet
there's
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
and
some
disagreements,
but
we
haven't
created
a
space
where
the
experts
can
really
co-create
with
us,
and
so
I
think
we
as
chair.
We
have
two
options.
I
can
I'm
more
than
happy
to
hold
a
special
meeting
so
that
we
can
discuss
this,
whether
we
have
a
quorum
or
not.
I
think
I
would
invite
those
members
to
come
out
and
the
agenda
would
only
be
that
we
would
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it
again.
A
Well,
it's
a
move
before
there
was
a
stalemate.
I
think
again.
The
next
step
is
a
special
meeting
of
this
body
or
which
I'm
happy
to
do
whether
we
have
a
quorum
or
not.
We
can
call
the
meeting
and
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it
or
we
can.
We
could
discuss
it
further
refer
to
another
committee
and
the
reason
why
this
is
important
is
from
my
experience
in
in
the
private
market
to
make
these
type
of
decisions,
and
this
is
what
I
don't
think
we
do
well.
A
This
could
take
dozens
of
meetings
and
we
meet
like
four
times
on
things
as
critical
and
as
heavy
of
a
list
as
this,
and
we
think
we're
going
to
come
up
with
good
recommendations.
It's
just
not
how
it
works.
We
need
more
time
to
discuss
this
in
finer
detail
that
our
current
process
just
doesn't
seem
to
allow,
and
while
I'm
chair
I'm
going
to
create
that
space
so
that
we
can
really
give
this
the
time
that
it
deserves,
and
so
those
are
the
two
options
again,
I'm
happy
to
do
it
either
way.
A
But
we
need
more
time
to
discuss
this
alongside
our
subject
matter:
experts
in
the
community,
sarah
flax
would
like
to
say
something
to
us.
Thank
you.
B
Good
evening,
members
of
the
committee,
sarah
flax
housing
grants
manager.
I
was
thinking
that
when
we
first
were
going
to
change
our
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
there
was
a
great
deal
of
discussion
at
the
council
level
and
things
like
that
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
didn't
reach
was
any
kind
of
consensus
and
one
of
the
things
we
we
did
was
we
had
a
town
hall
sort
of
a
town
hall.
It
was.
B
I
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
alan
malik
is
a
real
guru
in
this
stuff
and
he
says,
engage
the
people
you're
trying
to
get
to
cooperate
and
those
are
the
landlords,
and
we
can
certainly
involve
the
people
from
the
panel
in
discussions,
but
I
think
they
can
be
community
discussions.
They
don't
have
to
be
this
body
to
get
the
input
and
get
the
landlords
on
board.
B
I
think
that's
the
key
thing,
because
we
have
some
landlords
and
when
the
city
tried
to
do
licensing
in
2012,
I
think
we'd
moved
along.
I
wasn't
really
involved
in
that
and
had
gone
to
council
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
landlords
came
out
and
said
we
don't
like
this
and
the
whole
thing
just
got
derailed,
and
so
I
think
that
maybe
we
just
need
to
talk
to
you
know:
we've
had
after
the
subcommittee
meetings,
landlords
come
to
us
say,
I'd,
love
to
be
involved
and
talk
about
this.
B
B
B
To
get
to
landlords,
so
I
would
propose
that
you
give
staff
the
opportunity
to
put
together
something
like
this
to
try
to
and
we
can
engage
council
members
because
council
members
came
to
the
meetings
then
so
I
think
that
people
who
are
interested
could
absolutely
participate,
and
maybe
that
would
take
some
of
the
onus
off
of
more
committee
meetings
for
all
of
you.
But
you
could
also
have
the
same
involvement.
A
Yeah,
my
intention
would
be
to
to
invite
landlords
out
to
participate
again
as
non
voting
members
in
in
this
committee
that
we
could
create.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
another
town
hall.
We've
had
some.
K
A
I
don't
know
if
a
town
hall
is
is
is:
is
we've
had
some
sparsely
attended
town
halls?
As
of
recent,
I
think
a
better
way,
for
it
again
is
to
create
another
committee
and
to
invite
both
our
subject
matter,
experts
and
in
the
whole
area
of
rental,
housing
and
fair
housing,
and
invite
our
landlords
to
participate
in
the
discussion.
What
I
will
say
is
they
have
participated.
A
B
A
better
definition
would
be
a
working
meeting.
It
was
more.
It
was
really
more
a
workshop
because
we
had
people
in
tables
and
people
talked
so
a
town
hall
wasn't
a
good
definition,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
the
panel
discussion.
A
much
of
that
discussion
did
not
have
anything
to
do
with
landlord
licensing
or
rental
or
registration.
A
Yeah,
because
that-
and
I
think
I
think
that's
what
we
realized
is
that
most
of
the
concerns
that
people
had
around
licensing-
it's
really
not
licensing,
it's
something
else.
So,
for
example,
the
the
primary
concern
I
hear
about
licensing
is
not
licensing.
It's
licensing
when
combined
with
with
crime
free
ordinances,
which
we
don't
have
in
evanston
right.
So
right,
I
think,
through
those
discussions
we
unders
we,
we
were
able
to
really
determine
what
we
would
like
to
see
in
order
to
achieve
fair
housing
in
evanston
and
we
took
it
away
from
licensing.
A
That's
the
point
is
that
licensing
and
registration
seems
like
this
big
scary
thing,
but
it's
really
not
like
if
we
can
get
on
the
same
page
about
what
we
would
like
to
see
moving
forward,
what
we
don't
want
to
see
in
the
policy,
I
think
we
can
get
some
sound
recommendations
to
council
and
we
don't
have
that
right.
Now,
that's
not
in
the
packet,
and
we
have
not
achieved
that.
So
I'm
trying
to
create
a
space
where
we
can
do
that
happy
to
do
it
in
as
a
as
a
working
group.
A
If
that's
we're
going
to
do
it
do
not
think
it
should
be
quite
what
you
described.
I
think
again
it
should
be
structured
and
formal
and
we
should
invite
folks
to
come
out
and
participate.
I
agree
with
that,
but
let's
hear
from
I
don't
know
who
was
first,
let's
say:
councilman
revell,
I
believe
was
first.
Did
I
get
that
right?
Newsman.
G
I
think
we
might
be
having
a
semantic
argument,
but
you
guys
it
sounds
like
you're,
both
heading
in
the
same
direction.
Let's
get
some
a
group
of
people
in
a
room
sitting
around
a
table
to
hash
it
out
right.
Sarah,
that's
what
that's!
What
you're
looking
for
bobby!
That's
what
you're
looking
for
right!
So
whether
we
call
that
a
committee
or
we
call
that
a
working
group,
whether
we
call
that
a
task
force,
let's
just
make
that
happen
right
with
this
and
any
number
of
issues
the
way
to
move
forward.
G
It's
not
always
the
case
at
open
town
hall
and
oma
yeah
right,
so
I
am
loath
to
create
a
new
committee
just
because
that's
my
reflective
reaction
to
bureaucracy
like
nobody
wants
to
go
to
another
committee
meeting.
I'd
rather
go
to
a
task
force
meeting
than
a
committee
meeting,
even
if
even
it's
the,
if
it's
the
exact
same
thing.
So,
regardless
of
what
we
call
it,
and
maybe
we
have
to
decide
what
to
call
it.
G
A
I
I
How
what
are
we
going
to?
How
are
we
going
to
take
care
of
the
tenants
so
that,
in
my
mind,
that's
that's
the
key
issue
that
I
want
to
see
resolved.
So
you
know
whether
maybe
what
we're
talking
about
is
a
a
working,
a
working
group.
I
mean
that
planning
and
development
sponsored
something
or
other
on
rental
licensing.
J
C
So
I
think
I
will
summarize
saying
it
sounds
like
we're
in
a
space
of
semantics
and
perhaps
what
we
could
we
could
do
is
do
a
collaborative
working
group
with
staff
as
we
I'm
looking
at
this
from
an
administrative
standpoint.
C
Our
days
are
numbered
to
prepare
the
technology
in
which
to
make
this
work,
and
I
don't
want
to
do
an
11th
hour
thing
and
we
know
11th
hour.
Technology
never
works
out.
So
if
we
could,
you
know,
there's
some
sort
of
administrative
staff
pieces.
C
Imagining
might
be
in
the
community
and
slash
town
hall,
but
if
we
could
start
working
on
that,
but
what
I
was
going
to
suggest
is
that
we
start
to
maybe
provide
in
the
we
have
this
communication
section
in
the
planning
and
development
agenda.
We
could
start
to
include
some
written
updates
on
that
brief.
They
could
be
brief.
They
could
include
some
materials
as
we
move
forward.
He
keeps
it
in
the
public
keeps
in
the
city,
the
community,
the
packet
and
also
keeps
you
all
informed
about.
What's
going
on.
A
Depends
on
it
still
depends
on
how
many
of
us
participate,
so
we
could
say,
like.
A
A
A
A
J
A
A
So
the
motion
is
to
create
a
working
group,
councilman
reed,
and
I
will
be
the
city
council
representatives
or
planning
and
development
committee
members
represented
on
that
working
group
as
well
as
members
of
the
public
landlords
as
well
as
subject
matter.
Experts.
I
And
so
this
I
mean
I'd,
be
interested
in
listening
in
on
this
discussion,
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
public
meeting.
K
A
K
Members
of
the
public
development
committee
corporation
council,
nicholas
cummings,
so
there
are
seven
members
of
this
committee.
I
believe
the
minute
you
have
three.
You
are
now
subject
to
the
open
meetings
act.
So
if
you
want
to
have
this
working
group-
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
they're
participating
in
the
group
or
in
attendance,
the
fact
that
they
are
there
will
trigger
oma.
So.
I
G
C
J
But
he's
doing
his
job
with
that.
Let's
get
another
motion
please
so
the
motion
is
that
a
subcommittee
will
be
create.
I'm.
J
That
is
a
committee
because
we're
not
gonna.
J
Move
that
we
have
a
working
group
of
two
folks,
including
councilmember
burns
and
myself
and
various
members
of
the
the
housing
advocacy
community
and
landlords
and
renters
and
whoever
else
meet
for
two
meetings.
Two
to
three
meetings.
J
Two
meetings,
two
minutes
to
start
is
fine
to
just
to
discuss
and
provide
a
proposal
for
the
landlord
licensing
issue.
A
Items
for
communication-
oh
so
that
that
motion
passed
next
up
step
is
for
communication.
I'm
fine
just
moving
it.
Can
we
move
that
to
the.
A
C
A
Yeah
to
a
discussion
item
on
the
next
agenda.
Please
sure
thank
you
cool
all
right,
seeing
no
other
business
before
us.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.