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A
A
I'm
Saul
Anderson
president
and
CEO
of
the
Evanston
Community
Foundation
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
who's
watching
at
home
to
our
virtual
candidate
forum
for
to
fill
the
role
of
evanston's
chief
of
police
I
wanted
to
just
again
thank
everyone,
who's
watching
us.
We
wanted
to
thank
the
community
members
who
submitted
questions.
We
had
over
40
questions
submitted
submitted
for
this
forum,
which
is
really
great,
because
this
is
such
an
important
role
for
our
community.
Just
wanted
to.
A
Let
folks
know
before
we
get
started
that
we
tried
to
group
questions
by
theme,
so
some
of
you
may
not
hear
your
specific
question
asked,
but
we
are
trying
to
get
to
all
of
the
themes
that
were
brought
forth
in
the
questions
tonight.
So
please
excuse
us
if
you
don't
hear
your
exact
wording,
but
we
do
want
to
get
to
all
the
themes
we'd
like
to
welcome
up.
A
First,
the
first
of
our
three
candidates
tonight
is
Deputy
Chief
Migdalia
Wellness
from
the
Chicago
Police
Department,
so
welcome
and
one
of
our
community
members
submitted
specific
questions
for
each
of
the
candidates.
So
we'll
kick
you
off
for
a
question,
that's
specific
to
you
and
your
work
with
the
Chicago
Police
Department.
A
So
it's
well
known
that
the
city
of
Chicago,
Police
Department,
is
currently
very
understaffed
and
under-resourced.
The
Evanston
Police
Department
has
many
of
the
same
problems
that
Chicago
does
on
a
smaller
scale.
How
do
you
plan
to
make
yourself
visible
in
the
community
and
accessible
to
community
members,
and
how
do
you
plan
to
build
relationships
with
evanston's
black
communities,
which
are
the
ones
that
have
been
hit
hardest
by
gun,
violence
and
crime
in
Evanston.
B
And
thank
you
for
listening
to
the
city
for
giving
me
Chicago
is
a
big
city
and
Evanston
reminds
me
a
lot
of
Chicago.
One
of
the
features
that
I
have
is
that
I'm
able,
I'm
very
accessible
I
am
in
the
communities.
I
speak
to
everyone.
Anyone
who
wants
to
meet
me
I
I'm
with
them.
You
know
they
look
for
me
I'm
with
them.
B
If
they
need
me
to
show
up
somewhere
to
speak
somewhere
I'm,
there
I
make
it
very
personable
for
me
to
be
available
to
everyone,
because
I
know
it's
important
if
they
have
an
issue
or
if
they
have
something
that
they're
worried
about.
If
I
don't
know
about
it,
it
is
very
hard
for
me
to
fix
it
or
to
give
a
solution
or
to
direct
the
police
department
in
order
to
help
someone
out.
So
even
when
I
was
in
CPD
and
being
a
commander,
everyone
had
my
phone
number.
They
would
give
me
a
call.
B
A
Right
great
and
you
know
just
kind
of
building
on
that-
a
couple
of
those
themes.
So,
first
of
all,
you
know
specifically
when
you
look
at
our
community,
so
our
fifth,
eighth
and
second
Wards
here
in
Evanston,
tend
to
be
where
many
of
our
people
of
color
many
of
our
black
and
brown
neighbors,
reside
and
specifically
in
the
second
ward
in
the
1300
and
1400
blocks
of
Fowler
Avenue
recently
had
a
shooting
in
July
and
some
of
those
communities
have
suffered
from
gun
violence.
B
I
believe
that
it's
important
to
go
visit
those
communities
and
actually
walk
the
walk.
The
walk
be
out
there
direct
the
actual
police
officers
that
are
going
to
be
in
those
areas
and
so
that
the
community
can
see.
Not
only
are
my
officers
in
the
area,
but
also
the
leadership.
That's
I
think
it's
important
that
those
communities
see
that
the
police
officers
are
there
for
a
reason,
but
also
that
they're
able
to
speak
to
the
police
officers,
but
without
leadership
it
doesn't
work.
A
B
I
believe
in
and
also
again
being
out
there,
we
have
to
give
them
a
voice.
We
have
to
give
victims
a
voice.
We
have
to
give
the
community
a
voice,
something
traumatic
as
a
shooting
or
any
invasion
of
that
takes
place
in
the
community.
We
have
to
reassure
the
committee
community
that
we
are
there
for
them.
Let
them
have
a
voice,
let
them
speak,
sometimes
building
those
bridges
with
the
community.
You
end
you
end
up
finding
more
than
you
know
they
give
you
more.
B
A
That's
from
the
great
yeah!
Thank
you.
So
you
know
you'll
probably
hear
this
theme
come
up
and
the
gun
violence
is
at
the
top
of
everyone's
mind.
We
had
a
shooting
just
a
day
or
two
ago
in
our
community,
and
so
you
know
this
theme
will
probably
ring
out
a
few
times,
but
you
know
because
we
do
have
have
some
of
the
rising
crime
and
gun
violence.
A
You
know
having
an
effective
and
properly
staffed
and
trained
Police
Department
is
important
to
the
success.
Excuse
me
success
of
our
community
so
since
we're
under
resourced
short
staffed
people
have
experienced,
you
know
longer
than
average
wait
times
and
you
know
for
police
response.
So
talk
to
talk
to
me.
We'd
love,
to
hear
from
you
just
about
how
urgent
you
feel
it
is
to
bring
the
department
up
to
full
Staffing.
B
That's
a
great
question
because
again
that's
something
that's
happening
everywhere.
What
I
have
is
that
one
of
my
assignments,
I
was
assigned
to
recruitment
retention
and
I
found
found
out
that
recruitment.
It
was
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
I
got.
You
know
people
are
going
to
say.
Well,
you
know
nobody
wants
to
be
a
police
officer.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
hard
recruiting
so
being
given
that
particular
assignment
I
found
out
so
much
not
only
about
the
police
department,
but
about
the
communities.
B
There
are
people
out
there
who
want
to
be
the
police
and
we
just
have
to
reach
them.
Staffing
is
very
important.
When
we
look
at
Staffing,
we
look
at
violence,
we
look
at
crime,
we
need
police
officers,
we
need
the
department
to
be
staffed.
I
would
like
to
see
the
police
officer
be
right
back
at
proper
Staffing
at
levels
where
we're
able
to
get
put
everybody
where
they
need
to
be
the
detective
division.
Community,
policing
re-staff.
All
of
that.
B
So
that
way
we
have
a
better
handle
and
more
communication
going
out
to
the
community
with
all
of
that,
but
I
think
Staffing
is
is
recruitment?
Will
be
my
number
one
priority
coming
into
this
Police
Department
forever?
Then
I
believe
that
if
you
staff
your
department
and
you
train
them,
then
that
is
worth
that
is
the
actual
source
that
you're
going
to
need
to
go
out
there
and
actually
Bridge
the
the
community
with
the
police.
A
Yeah,
that's
great!
That's
great!
You
touched
on
this.
Some
you
mentioned
that
it
was
your
your
recruitment
was
your
part
of
your.
Your
role
has
been
a
part
of
your
role
in
the
past
with
CPD,
so
we'd
love
to
just
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
your
experience,
recruiting
officers
and
sort
of
how
you
balance
this
is
this
last
part
is
a
little
my
addition,
but
how
do
you
balance
the
speed
of
filling
the
roles
with
making
sure
that
people
are
properly
trained
and
ready
to
do
the
job
at
the
right
level?.
B
Recruitment
was
again
one
of
my
biggest
challenges
and
I
had
to
jump
in
it
very
quickly
as
well
as
it
would
be
here
in
Evanston.
There's
no
time
to
lose.
You
can't
wait
for
this.
I
think
training
individuals
in
regards.
B
If
we're
talking
about
having
them,
come
into
the
police
department
having
them
trained
to
go
out
there,
it
has
to
be
in
speed,
it
has
to
be
lightning
speed,
just
because
we're
so
behind
right
now
that
we
have
to
catch
up
at
record
speed
so
going
out
there
and
recruiting
individuals
going
out
to
the
communities.
B
Everyone
wants
to
see
people
like
themselves
coming
to
the
police
department,
who
can
better
serve
the
police
department,
but
someone
who
comes
from
the
community
and
that
would
be
the
First
Source-
is
to
go
out
there
and
actually
tap
into
the
communities.
My
my
whole
model
was
in
the
recruitment
section.
Was
that
everybody's
a
recruiter?
Not
only
the
police,
not
only
my
team,
we
had
a
dedicated
team,
but
the
community.
Those
are
your
biggest
recorders,
so
having
them
help
us
it.
It's
just
a
win
for
everyone.
A
So
kind
of
continuing
on
that
theme
we're
sort
of
in
the
Staffing
section
now
you
know
we
know
that
the
shortage
of
the
current
shortage
of
police
police
officers
has
an
impact
on
the
morale
of
people
who
are
currently
in
the
department.
So
how
do
you
sort
of
maintain
morale
when
you
know
you're
working
with
a
department?
That's
short
staff
and
everyone's
stretched
in
and
and
really
focused
specifically
on.
You
know,
keeping
people
around,
especially
officers
who
are
under
the
10-year
Mark
and
try
to
get
them
to
stay.
B
That
also
was
something
that
I
worked
on
being
in
recruitment.
Everybody
seems
to
think
that
Morel
is
low,
but
what
I
found
is
that,
if
there
is
leadership,
the
police
will
follow
police
they're,
not
afraid
of
change.
They
just
want
a
leader
that
a
strong
leader
that
can
come
in
and
they
can
follow,
and
if
you
give
them
that
they
will
follow
you
anywhere,
you
can
change
policing,
you
can
change.
You
know
the
arrest
procedures,
you
can
change
anything
the
messaging
and
the
communication,
that's
where
it
comes
from.
B
If
you
have
clear
communication
and
your
messaging
is,
is-
is
right
there
in
the
front
and
you're
pretty
much
clear
with
police
officers
they're
going
to
do
what
you
want.
Morale
comes
from
how
they've
been
treated.
What's
happened
in
the
past
to
bring
them
to
this
point
where
they
feel
like
they
can't
do
this
no
more
or
they
leave
the
job.
B
My
perspective
is
to
say:
okay,
what
can
we
do?
How
can
we
fix
this?
What
is
it
that
I
can
do
for
you?
Because
if
I
built,
the
police
department
up
and
I
give
them
back
the
morale
they're
going
to
come
back
and
you're
going
to
see
that
switch
into
the
community?
So
we
have
to
have
a
happy
Police
Department,
because
that
is
what's
going
to
work
in
the
community.
A
B
Oscillation
is
huge
anybody
who
knows
me
I,
always
tell
officers
I
always
tell
my
staff
or
when
I'm
speaking
to
as
a
mentor.
The
biggest
tool
that
we
have
is
not
the
gun
on
our
belt.
It
is
our
voice.
If
you
know
how
to
use
your
voice,
then
it
works.
De-Escalation
is
100.
Our
friend,
if
used
correctly
and
properly
you'll,
be
able
to
win
situations
on
the
street.
You
can
take
a
situation,
that's
up
here
and
bring
it
down
to
right
here.
I've
been
there.
B
B
Edison
has
to
be
the
same.
There's
criteria
that
should
be
trained
every
year
as
Refreshers
how
to
speak
to
people.
Officers
are
looking
for
that
they're.
Looking
for
training
they're
looking
for
someone
to
say,
okay,
how
would
I
what
would
I
do
in
this
situation
and
we
have
as
Leaders
we
have
to
provide
that
to
them
and
if
somebody
is
struggling,
As
Leaders,
we
also
have
to
provide
you
know
some
kind
of
structure
and
help
for
that
particular
officer.
A
B
I,
looking
at
the
ideal
police
officer
is
somebody
who
is
who's
Fair,
someone
who
is
inclusive,
someone
who
is
non-biased,
someone
that
can
come
into
any
community,
no
matter
who
they
are,
what
they
are
and
speak
to
people,
and
actually
you
know
what
have
people
listen
when
you're
a
great
speaker,
people
are
going
to
listen,
people
are
going
to
say,
okay,
you
know
what
that
makes
sense.
B
I
think
the
ideal
police
officer
is
an
officer
that
can
go
into
a
community,
and
you
know
what
people
start
listening
to
that
individual,
but
not
only
that
to
make
themselves
known.
You
know
what
to
stop
and
speak
to
people.
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
I
want
to
say
features
that
the
community
is
looking
for.
Is
that
officers
take
the
time
to
say
hi?
What's
going
on
how's
your
day
today
and
actually
make
themselves
known
and
I
think
getting
back
to?
A
B
Feature
just
coming
from
a
big
agency
myself,
we
have
many
chaplains,
they
volunteer
their
time.
I
think
it
works
both
ways.
It
works
for
victims,
it
works
for
police
officers.
Police
officers
actually
do
depend
on
the
chaplains.
The
Champions
are
there
at
their
worst
time.
You
know
if
it's
a
traumatic
incident,
the
chaplains
are
there.
They
volunteer
their
time
to
come
in
and
actually
be
around
police
officers
to
hear
you
to
put
their
hand
on
your
shoulder
when
it's
needed
I.
Think
it's
a
great
thing.
A
B
B
You
know
when
you're
out
you're
done
so
looking
at
that
it's
actually
building
a
component,
a
trackable
component
of
where
the
money
goes
and
who
is
spending
what
and
what
is
being
spent
on
when
you
kind
of
track
all
that
you're
able
to
find
where,
where
money's
going
and
where,
where
we
can
cut
back
and
who
is
spending
what
sources
I
think,
there's
a
way
to
do
that
and
there's
there's
a
way.
We've
saved
money
in
terms
of
tracking
our
expenses,
so
I
think
that's
important.
A
How
do
you
balance
all
the
responsibilities
of
a
chief
overseeing
the
actions
of
your
officers,
the
paperwork
and
the
safety
of
the
residents?
How
do
you
put
all
that
in
Balance.
B
There
Story
of
My
Life,
you
know
what
it's
in
Chicago
again
a
bigger
agency.
That
is
your
everyday
run.
There
is
no
time
to
rest.
This
is
not
the
office
of
the
chief,
it's
not
somewhere,
where
you
say:
hey
I
check
in
the
morning
and
I'm
gone
at
five
that
doesn't
exist.
I've
worked
14-hour
days,
you
know
what
I
have
access
to
the
to
the
community.
I've
been
at
events.
You
have
people
tugging
at
you
every
day
going
to
meetings.
People
want
to
speak
to
you.
There
is
a
balance.
B
You
have
to
balance
it.
If
not,
you
will
burn
yourself
out.
I
am
accustomed
to
it,
just
because
this
is
this
is
what
we
train
for
I.
Think
Chicago
has
done
an
excellent
job
in
training
their
leadership.
In
order
to
be
out
there
push
yourself
to
a
limit
where
no
one
will
ever
push
you
again.
That's
what
makes
you
good
at
what
you
do.
A
B
I'm,
sorry,
absolutely
I
I
think
it's
critical
that
the
chief
of
police
works
with
everybody,
so
I
think
the
police
officers,
if
they
see
that
you
as
a
leader,
can
sit
down
and
have
a
conversation,
agree
to
disagree.
But
you
sit
down
and
you
have
a
conversation
that
is
the
good
that
you're
leaving
your
police
officers
because
they
know
it
could
be
done
so
apps,
I'm
100,
for
it.
A
What
about
what
What's
your
experience
with
school
resource
officer
programs
and
do
you
do
you
think
they're
helpful
and
what's
your
experience,
kind
of
working
with
you.
B
Being
with
them,
I
would
litigations
so
working
with
youth,
trying
to
find
diversions
and
deflections
for
for
youth.
I
think
it's
it's.
It
could
work.
Chicago
is
such
a
big
city
that
they
have
so
many
schools.
There
are
schools
that
need
you
know.
Sro
school
resource
officers,
more
than
others
I,
think
it's
a
great
opportunity.
What
we
saw
from
it
is
that
the
officers
that
were
placed
in
schools
were
able
to
have
a
bond
with
the
youth
from
the
high
schools
or
the
schools.
B
It
may
or
may
not
work
for
others,
but
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
have
officers
in
the
schools
that
can
also
kind
of
guide
kids
to
grow
our
own,
where
we're
prepping
kids
to
maybe
go
into
law
enforcement
where
they
can.
You
know
kind
of
talk
to
law
enforcement
officers
and
not
be
scared
and
build
a
relationship.
A
You
know,
there's
there's,
obviously
you
know
not
just
in
Evanston,
not
just
in
Chicago,
there's
a
there's,
a
a
debate
or
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
community
work
and
a
lot
of
community
activity
around
you
know,
sort
of
reimagining,
a
police
department
and
I
think
you
know.
Certainly
people
have
varying
degrees
of
experience
with
the
police
and
in
any
Community
right.
A
B
We
look
at
policing
so
often
we
look
at
police
departments
and
they're
still
policing
in
the
past
doing
things
from
actually
30
years
ago
or
what
have
you
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
policing
and
change
and
evolve
with
the
times
we
are
in
a
different
time
of
policing
where
you
know
what
there
are
incidents,
and
there
are
policy
matters
that
don't
have
that
the
police
don't
have
to
do
anymore.
We
can
look
at
them
and
we
can
restructure
so
I.
B
Think
of
looking
at
the
police
department
looking
at
what's
being
done
and
restructuring
the
method
of
policing
and
how
we
conduct
arrests
is
huge,
so
I
think
taking
a
look
at
that
and
saying:
okay,
the
police
can
balance
this
out.
They
can
do
this,
but
they
no
longer
have
to
do
this
part.
Let's
take
this
and
move
this
away
from
them.
You
restructure
the
police,
you
get
your
police
back
to
where
they
need
to
be
with
the
violence.
B
Then
I
think
it's
going
to
matter,
but
it's
going
to
be
huge
because
now
their
time
is
now
dedicated
to
where
it
belongs,
and
we
can
take
all
the
little
things
and
actually
take
them
and
settle
them
with
diversion
any
kind
of
alternative
arrest,
any
kind
of
re
pair
method
that
we
need
for
an
individual
that
may
need
it.
You
know
not.
Everybody
is
a
victim
or
an
offender.
They
can
be
a
victim
of
a
circumstance.
So
we
have
to
really
pay
attention
to.
What's
going
on.
A
So
moving
you
know
into
the
community
relations
space
and
you've
talked
a
lot
about
this
already,
but
you
know
talk
really
quite
a
bit
about
what
you
think.
Your
role
as
a
chief
would
be
would
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about.
You
know,
sort
of
Department
the
sort
of
communications
function
of
the
department
and
how
you
would
approach
to
sort
of
Staffing
and
prioritizing
Communications
and
make
sure
that
there's
there's
ways
that
people
can
just
stay
informed
about
what's
happening
in
your
community.
B
I
think
it's
huge
that
we
look
at
the
way
the
messaging
is
coming
out
and
information
from
the
police
department.
I
do
believe
that
again,
communication
isn't
the
key
that
is
number
one.
If
you
have
communication,
which
are
police
officers
which
a
police
department
with
the
community,
then
you
can
take
that
narrative
and
you
can
set
that
narrative
where
you
want
it
to
be,
it's
very
important.
We
have
to
look
at
methods
of
social
media.
You
know
how
we're
using
the
our
cell
phones.
B
How
are
we
getting
the
messaging
out
to
everyone,
whether
it's
a
black
community,
Hispanic
community,
Asian,
Community,
whoever
it
is,
make
sure
that
that
messaging
is
getting
out
to
them?
Also
taking
that
and
actually
having
everybody
engaged
on?
What's
going
on?
That's
that's
pretty
big!
That's
huge.
A
Yeah
you
made
reference
to
this
also
a
little
earlier
as
well
sort
of
community
policing.
So
can
you
talk
about
community
policing
your
experience
with
it?
How
you
feel
about
it?
You
know
we
one
time
in
Evanston.
We
did
have
you
know
sort
of
community
piece
policing
program.
It
has.
You
know,
faded
away
some
or
faded
to
the
background
some
in
recent
years.
So
what
are
your
thoughts
on
there
on
that
and,
if
you're
in
favor
of
it?
How
would
you
rebuild
it
in
Evanston.
B
I
love
the
community
policing
aspect
of
the
police
department.
I
think
they
are
able
to
do
things
that
we
need.
We
can't
count
on
police
officers
to
do
everything,
but
if
you
have
a
community
policing
Staffing,
if
you
have
a
section
A
unit,
then
actually
you
have
trained
to
build
that
rapport
with
the
community
is
huge.
When
I
was
a
commander
in
the
fourth
district,
our
community
policing
was
number
one
reason
being
everybody
was
dedicated.
Everybody
was
out
there
there
with
the
communities.
B
We
had
Friday
night
prayer
visuals,
where
we
went
to
the
communities
where
there
was
violence
or
a
traumatic
incident
had
happened.
We
had
the
faith
base,
our
religious
leaders
come
out
and
we
went
out
there
and
prayed
over
the
the
area
with
the
the
community.
I
think
it's
great
healing
and
what
those
particular
it
was
every
Friday
night.
What
those
prayers
did
is
that
they
bonded
the
community,
the
faith-based
religious
leaders
and
the
police
officers,
and
every
week
everybody
was
looking
for
it
everywhere.
B
Every
Friday
it
was
six
o'clock,
everybody
was
already
showing
up
to
our
locations
and
that's
where
you,
the
messaging
and
the
communication
gets
out.
Everybody
I
would
like
to
see
that
back.
If
it's
not
here
or
it
kind
of
fell
apart,
I
would
like
to
put
that
back
together,
because
that
works
in
in
mysterious
ways
and
also
try
to
get
some
kind
of
dco
program
where
the
actual
cab
some
officers
have,
if
they
don't
have
cell
phones,
give
them
the
cell
phones
we're.
A
Of
right
right,
so
you've
spoken
as
I
said
before
a
lot
about
your
your
belief
in
your
commitment.
Can
you
you
know,
share
some
examples
or
just
how
you
how
you
kind
of
personally
demonstrated
your
commitment
to
caring
about
people
in
the
community.
Particularly
you
know,
people
of
color
and
marginalized
community
members,
the.
B
Fourth
district
was
the
second
largest
District
in
the
state
of
Chicago.
It's
27
miles
in
radius.
It's
very
diverse.
We
had
a
Hispanic
Community.
We
had
black,
we
had
every
every
little
mixture,
Melting
Pot
was
in
that
particular
community,
so
I.
My
belief
as
a
commander
was
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
all
the
communities,
because
if
they
didn't
see
me
then
I'm
failing
as
a
leader,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
go
out
there
and
actually
talk
to
people
find
out.
B
The
biggest
moments
I
had
in
the
fourth
district
working
with
the
community
is
when
I
would
go
out
there
and
people
would
come
up
to
me
and
they
just
want
to
shake
my
hand,
but
instead
we
hugged
we
were
able
to
hug
and
talk
and
laugh,
and
they
remember
that
they
remember
that
hey.
You
know
that
Commander
was
out
here.
Wow,
that's
that's!
That's
incredible!
We
just
don't
have
that
I!
Think
it's
important
for
people
to
see
leadership
out
there.
A
Yeah
and
how
have
you
worked
with
with
business
owners
with
the
business,
Community
kind
of
educate
them
and
bring
them
in
as
partners
and
Community
safety
I.
B
Think
educate
you
can
end.
The
business
business
component
of
any
area
is
important:
the
business,
the
Chambers
of
Commerce,
the
businesses
that
are
in
this
city
or
anywhere
they
hold.
They
are
the
glue
to
the
actual
City.
Without
them,
then
you're
going
to
have
a
desert,
so
we
have
to
bring
them
in.
You
have
to
sit
down
with
them.
You
have
to
hear
their
concerns.
I
am
again
I
I
sit
with
everybody,
I
speak
to
everybody,
all
the
state
stakeholders.
B
A
Program,
so
we
have
a
few
questions
here:
I'm
going
to
try
my
best
to
condense,
but
I'll,
ask
sort
of
section
by
section
specifically
and
really
deep,
deep
sort
of
diving
in
to
relationships
with
the
black
and
latinx
community
in
Evanston.
A
So
so
I'll
just
start
like
I,
said
I'll
kind
of
ask
them
piece
by
piece.
But
how
would
you
really
specifically
focus
in
on
building
relationships
with
those
communities
in
Evanston.
B
I
would
like
to
find
out
what's
being
done
and
what's
in
their
community
at
the
present
time,
in
order
to
build
a
relationship
with
either
either
Community
I
need
to
find
out
what's
missing
and
in
order
to
find
out
what's
missing.
The
only
way
to
find
out
is
to
ask
you
know
what
is
it
that
you
need?
What
is
it
that
I
can
do
for
you
I
think
it's
important
to
hear
them
and
find
out
okay,
what
what's
needed
here?
B
Obviously
you
could
talk
to
every
community
and
they're
going
to
say:
well,
we
don't
have
this
we're
missing
this.
We
don't
have
this
I
need
to
hear
that
so
I
can
figure
out.
Okay,
you
know
what
let
me.
Let
me
pull
this
apart
and
see:
okay,
we're!
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
for
this
community.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
for
this
community,
but
in
the
end,
to
ensure
that
everybody,
it
has
a
little
bit
of
what
they
need
and
and
if
they're
not
getting
that
find
it
yeah
find
it
absolutely.
A
A
Specific-
and
this
is
these-
are
all
these
next
few
kind
of
the
community,
but
also
specifically,
really
specifically,
the
black
and
brown
communities
in
our
in
our
city,
I.
B
Think,
looking
at
Community
Resources
looking
at
Outreach,
what
is
there,
what
is
it
that
we
can
bring
in
being
from
Chicago?
One
of
the
one
of
the
biggest
features
we
have
is
to
think
out
of
the
box?
Okay,
what
is
it
what's
here?
What's
in
the
media
area,
what
Outreach
do
we
have?
What
what
kind
of
non-profit
can
come
in?
If
there's
somebody
that's
missing
clothes,
they
need
food.
Who
is
it
that
we
can
bring
in?
B
We
had
so
many
there's
so
many
stories
that
we
have
being
a
commander
from
girls
Danny,
something
like
prom
dresses
from
a
baby.
That's
you
know
that
they
have
in
a
drawer,
because
then
they
have
some
kind
of
a
crib.
There
are
those
are
resources
that
are
out
there
and
it's
our
job
as
the
police
department
to
find
them.
There
are
resources
all
day
every
day
we
should
have
a
list
of
them.
We
should
say
okay.
This
is
where
we
need
to
go.
B
A
Great
kind
of
kind
of
continuing
on
on
that
Trend
and
thinking
about
black
and
brown
evanstonians
and
thinking
about
you
know,
issues
of
over
policing
in
those
communities
which
is
you
know
it's
just
statistically
has
is
the
case
in
many
communities.
It's
not
unique
to
Evanston
and
in
all
communities.
Really
we
see
you
know
over
policing
in
black
and
brown
neighborhoods
and
then
also
you
know
those
folks
think
about
talk
about
concerns
or
experiences.
They've
had
with
implicit
bias
right
assuming
that
you've
been.
A
You
know,
because
of
your
because
of
your
race
that
you
are,
you
know,
engaged
in
criminal,
Behavior
or
anything
like
that
or
being
stopped
more
frequently
just
love
to
hear
you
know
what
sort
of
things
you
think
they
haven't.
Simply
you
know
under
your
potential
leadership.
What
would
you
want
to
have
the
Evanston
Police
Department
do
in
terms
of
training,
but
also
Beyond
training?
What
sort
of
tools
would
you
want
to
bring
to
the
table
there.
B
I
think
training
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
the
Forefront.
If
you
train
police
officers,
how
to
approach
individuals
in
terms
of
traffic
stops
areas,
data
driven
where,
where
police
need
to
be,
if,
if
it's
being
over
police
in
one
area,
then
why
are
the
police
there
what's
going
on
there
I
think
data-driven
analysis
needs
to
be
taken
out
so
that
we
can
look
at
what's
happening
there
and
have
the
police
trained
in
order
to
go.
You
know
what.
B
Why
are
you
there
what's
going
on
if
there
weren't
body
cams,
you
know
what
I
think
that's
huge
I
am
all
for
the
body.
Cam
videos.
Are
we
reviewing
the
body
cam
videos?
Do
we
have
policy
in
place
where
actually
we
can
have
you
know
what
and
plus
a
bias
in
terms
of
racial
profiling?
Do
we
have
something
in
place?
That's
going
to
come
back
there.
Are
we
holding
officers
accountable?
Those
are
all
questions
that
tie
in
together,
but
it's
going
to
go
back
to
training.
Whether
is
is
is
yearly.
B
A
This
next
question
is:
is
really
specific
to
the
second
ward,
but
I,
don't
know
how
much
opportunity
you've
had
to
sort
of
explore
the
wars
word
by
word,
so
maybe
I'll
expand
it
a
little
bit.
Forgive
me
to
my
second
word:
neighbor
I'm,
a
former
second
ward
resident.
So
I
don't
mean
to
to
steal
your
question
here,
but
I
do
want
to
you
know
what
do
you
think
is
sort
of
in
your
exploration
of
Evanston
as
a
whole?
What
do
you
think
are
some
of
the
biggest
issues
facing
our
community
right
now.
B
I
think
it's
there's
no
connection,
I
think
there's
a
connection
missing,
just
looking
at
everything
as
a
whole.
B
Looking
at
Evanston
looking
at
the
issues
looking
at
cast
issues
I
think
there
there's
a
bond,
there's
a
glue,
that's
missing
in
order
to
put
it
all
together,
everybody
has
issues
we're
looking
at
a
time
where,
if
you
look
back
in
the
last
two
years,
A
lot
has
happened
and
if
we
don't
have
somebody
that
can
Bridge
everything
together
and
actually
be
that
glue,
then
we're
missing
something
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
wards,
because
even
looking
at
everything
as
a
whole
and
if
I
talk
about
the
city
of
Chicago,
it's
the
same
thing.
B
You
know
what
there's
something
missing
in
a
lot
of
Wars
a
lot
of
communities
where
they
feel
like.
No,
you
know
we're
not
getting
enough.
No,
you
know
the
police
is
not
here
or
we're
over
police.
Or
you
know
this
has
happened
in
the
past
or
you
know
they
had
a
bad
encounter
with
the
police
or
something
happens
where
you
know
what
we
need
to
get
back
to
the
place
where
we
Bridge
everybody
together.
A
Thank
you
so
make
sure
I
didn't
miss
any
any
questions
here,
but
moving.
You
know
to
a
little
more
specifically
into
into
crime
reduction
again.
You
know
I
mentioned
this
would
come
up
gun.
Violence
is
a
fact
of
life.
For
for
all
of
us,
it's
become.
You
know
an
increasing
problem
in
Evanston
or
increasing
challenge.
Excuse
me
for
our
community.
A
We
certainly
know
that
violence
doesn't
just
sort
of
happen
out
of
nowhere
and
knowing
that
this
is
not.
You
know,
you're,
not
a
psychologist
or
a
social
worker
by
trade,
but
just
wondering
how
would
you?
How
would
you
sort
of
address
the
root
causes
of
violence
in
community.
B
That's
a
good
question
because
it's
happening
everywhere
and
I,
based
on
our
experience,
training
coming
from
the
detective
Division
I
think
it's
important.
We
do
a
lot
of
analysis
of
what's
going
on
in
the
communities,
even
as
when
I
was
a
district
Commander
that
we
had
shot
spotter,
we
were
able
to
pinpoint
and
do
an
analysis
of
okay.
This
is
what's
going
on
here.
This
is
who's
driving
the
virus.
This
person
got
out
of
jail.
This
is
what's
going
on,
so
behind
that
whole
concept
is,
we
know
who's
driving
the
violence.
B
There's
probably
certain
people
who
keep
driving
the
violence.
Citizens
should
feel
safe
to
go
to
a
McDonald's.
Citizens
should
feel
safe
to
walk
in
a
park
or
have
a
party
in
their
backyard.
There's
no
reason
that
anybody
has
to
say
well,
I,
don't
feel
safe,
so
I'm
not
going
to
do
it.
Those
individuals
who
are
causing
the
violence
do
a
custom
notification
with
them
figure
out
who
they
are
custom
notify
them
to.
B
Let
them
know
we
know
it's
you,
but
also
take
the
data
data
driven
analysis
for
the
violence
and
start
looking
at
the
resources
of
you
know
what
how
do
we
combat
this?
We
know
there's
an
influx
of
guns
on
the
street,
so
we
know
that
you
know
Evanston
borders
Chicago.
Is
it
a
bleed
over
it's
stuff
coming
over?
Unfortunately,
we
had
the
the
the
child
that
was
shot
in
Chicago
came
from
Evanston,
that's
tragic,
that's
traumatic,
and
that
shouldn't
happen.
That
should
not
happen.
That
fear
should
not
be
there.
B
So
taking
all
the
data-driven
analysis
that
we
do
looking
at
the
crime
words
happening
happening
and
taking
a
look
at
who's
driving
the
violence,
I
I
think
it's
controllable,
it's
controllable
if
we
start
reaching
out
to
those
in
the
visuals
and
letting
them
know
that
we
know
it's
still.
We
know
here.
These
are
your
options.
Okay,
if
they
need
a
job,
if
they
need
something,
let's
get
to
that
point,
but
if
they
understand
that
we
know
it's
them,
it
calms
them
down
a
little
bit.
A
And
so
as
you
do,
those
sort
of
things
there's
certainly
also
the
concern
right.
We
know
some
of
these
issues
around
poverty
around
mental
health
around
you
know
those
trauma.
Those
sort
of
issues
are
particularly
concentrated
in
communities
of
color.
We
have
some
recent
data
from
our
e-plan.
That
shows
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
really
specifically
kind
of
concentrated
in
our
black
communities,
and
you
know
our
Brown
communities
as
well,
but
really
specific
in
our
black
community.
A
B
Custom
notifications,
there's
a
map
methods
with
it's,
not
you
go
knock
on
the
door,
say
hey,
we
know
it's
you
and
you
know
what
we're
going
to
get
you.
It's
a
wraparound
service,
so
a
wraparound
service
combined
with
the
custom.
Is
you
know
what
you
take
the
resources
with
you?
So
you're,
not
you
know,
you're
not
pushing
more
harm
on
an
individual
you're,
not
you
know
really
kind
of
disturbing.
You
know
who
they
are
or
it
could
be
a
mental.
It
could
be
something
that's
going
on
with
them
that
they
have
issues
with.
B
That's
why
you
take
social
workers
with
you.
That
is
why
you
have
clinicians.
That's
why
you
have
people
there
there
that
can
help
them
and
offer
services.
I!
Think
the
more
services
that
you're
able
to
offer
individuals
it
makes
them
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
to
kind
of
deal
and
kind
of
be
upfront
of.
What's
going
on.
A
What
about
we've
said,
you
know,
there's
been
some
concerns
in
our
community.
About
sort
of
this
may
not
be
the
proper
criminal
code
of
petty
crimes.
Right
we've
seen
a
rise
in
you
know,
retail
thefts,
bicycle
thefts.
Catalytic
converters,
which
I
know
is,
is
all
over
the
place,
certainly
not
just
in
Evanston,
but
just
some
of
those
those
types
of
crimes.
How
do
you
address
in
sort
of
curtail
those
those
types
of
issues
again.
B
We
would
have
to
a
look
at
the
data
of
what's
happening
and
you
know
what
they
sound
Petty,
but
they
are
big
to
the
victim,
so
we
always
have
to
take
the
victim's
consideration
into
what's
happened
to
them
I'm,
so
those
particular
incidents
taking
a
look
at
them.
It's
actually
take
the
police
officers
and
you
know,
take
the
data
and
the
strategy
and
build
strategies
around
what's
going
on.
If
it's
converters,
you
know:
where
are
they
happening?
What
time
are
they
happening
at?
What's
the
area
are
they
having
is
there
something
that
we
can
do?
B
Is
there
if
it's
at
night,
which
most
of
them
happen
at
night?
Do
we
put
some
kind
of
mission
at
night?
Do
we
do
a
covert
Mission
at
night
if
this
stuff,
from
the
stores,
talk
to
the
merchants?
There's
many
many
many
Avenues
to
you,
know
kind
of
take
a
look
at
a
crime
and
say:
okay,
what
can
we
do?
How
can
we
do
this?
Better?
We've
had
10
bikes
stolen
in
this
area.
How
can
we
kind
of
address
that
we
have
these
stores
being
hit
by
theft?
How
can
we
come
back
there?
B
So
we
go
talk
to
the
stores
when
we
put
measures
in
place,
so
they
do
not
become
victims.
We
talk
to
the
community,
we
educate
the
community.
Okay
bikes
have
been
stolen
in
this
area,
Community
community
bulletins-
you
know
getting
it
out
there
to
them,
whether
it's
through
their
phone
social
media,
texting,
letting
them
know
whether
it's
in
Chicago.
We
have
beat
meetings,
you
know
letting
them
know.
You
know
what
this
is
going
on.
You
know,
this
is
how
you
protect
yourself.
A
Strategy
to
combat
sort
of
or
to
work
with
and
communities
to
sort
of
come
back
communities
are
concerned
about
about
gang
gang
presence,
gang
violence.
B
I
think
it
goes
back
to
education,
educate
the
community.
Looking
back
at
our
experience,
it's
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
of
educating
it's
talking
to
the
community,
letting
them
know
you
know
what
this
is.
What
the
structure
looks
like
this
is
what
we're
dealing
with
if
they
are
educated
and
informed.
If
they
have
information,
then
they're
able
to
better
look
at
something
and
say:
okay.
Well,
you
know
what
this
is
not
right
or
you
know
what
this
person
is
in
the
area
or
whatever
is
going
on
in
the
area.
They'll
understand.
B
Okay,
this
is
how
I
deal
with
that.
Most
of
the
time,
the
community
is
just
not
educated
enough
to
know.
Okay.
This
is
what
I
should
do
in
a
situation.
A
B
With
my
leadership,
styles
I
think
looking
at
who
I
am
being
a
fair
person.
Actually
building
working
very
fast,
I
come
in
and
I
have
the
tendency
to
okay,
let's
get
this
going,
let's
put
everybody
at
the
table.
Let's
address
this.
This
is
the
strategy
what's
going
to
work.
This
is
what
the
community
is
made
of.
Okay.
How
is
it
that
we
go
in
and
we
get
this
done?
B
A
A
B
I
I
don't
know
if
it
keeps
me
up
at
night,
I
think
one
of
my
biggest
and
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
worry,
because
it's
not
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
is
really
everybody
is
getting
what
they
need.
The
community
aspect
I
think
that's
huge.
If
you
don't
have
the
community
behind
you
and
you're,
not
really
helping
them,
you're
not
going
to
accomplish
anything
and
being
a
commander.
I
can
compare
it
to
being
a
district
Commander.
B
You
know
we
had
27
miles
of
District.
We
have
so
many
small
communities,
you
know
diverse
communities
and
you
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
being
equal
and
you
want
to
make
sure
that
the
messaging
is
the
same.
You
don't
want
to
portray
something
in
a
community.
Then
they
see
you
on
TV,
saying
something
else.
You
have
to
be
fair
to
everyone
and
I
think
fairness
comes
a
long
way
because
that's
what
trust
is
built.
Trust
comes
from
being
very
fair
and
being
equal,
just
be
equal
for
everybody.
A
If
you
think
about
you
know
gears
down
the
line,
you've
gotten
the
job
and
you
retired.
What
would
you
want
your
legacy
to
be
here.
B
I
would
like
my
legacy
to
be
that
I
was
a
strong
leader
that
I
was
a
leader
for
the
people
that
I
was
able
to
come
in
and
actually
take
the
police
department
and
help
help
help
the
police
department
actually
create
something.
That's
gonna
withstand
time.
B
B
I
think
they
have
a
big
value
because
they
they're
pretty
much
for
the
police
department,
for
the
police
officers
and
I
often
say
with
the
fop
that
you
need
to
sit
down
and
break
bread
with
them
as
well.
If
you
showed
that
you're
against
them
and
you
cannot
work
together,
that
is
a
harm
for
the
police
officers.
You
have
to
work
with
them.
You
have
to
sit
down
and
listen
to
the
concerns
and
you
have
to
be
able
to
negotiate
being
a
chief
of
police.
B
Is
you
know
what
heaven
and
ear,
but
also
be
able
to
negotiate?
If
you
come
back
and
you're
staying
office,
and
you
don't
want
to
talk
to
nobody
and
you
don't
want
to
listen,
then
you
lose
because
the
police
officers
they
want
to
follow
their
leader
and
if
they
see
that
their
leader
can't
sit
down
and
have
a
conversation,
then
they're
going
to
Rebel.
B
I
I
think
it's
part
of
the
package,
I,
think
being
a
strong
leader,
you're
able
to
you
know
either
you're
negotiate
stand
up
for
what's
right,
stand
up
when
it's
wrong
and
take
accountability
when
it's
needed
I
think
people
respect
you.
If
you
have
those
those
leadership
qualities,
you
cannot
sit
down
and
you
know
sometimes
you're
going
to
have
to
I
always
said
you
know.
Well,
when
you
were
the
gold
star
you're
going
to
make
decisions
that
are
just
not
the
most
popular,
but
it's
part
of
the
job.
So.
A
Common
leadership
challenge
right
when
you,
when
you
sit
in
the
sea,
sometimes
you
got
to
do
things
that
make
people
unhappy
I
appreciate
that
perspective.
You
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
with
the
under
the
community
policing.
But
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
philosophy
around
using
alternative
responses
to
9-1-1
calls
when
appropriate,
I.
B
I
think
it's
huge
I
think
it's
the
future
of
policing
again,
you
know
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
it's
we
cannot
continue
to
do
things
the
way
we
did
30
years
ago.
We
have
to
evolve
and
change
the
way
policing
is
done.
You
know
everybody
is
short
staffed.
So
if
we
take
an
alternative
to
policing
and
say
okay,
you
know
what
let's
take
this
off
the
hands
of
the
police
department,
we're
going
to
have
more
police
to
combat
real
crime,
so
I
it's
the
future.
It's
we
have
to
look
at
it.
B
We
have
to
sit
down
and
say:
okay,
this
is
the
direction
we're
going
in
and
take
the
fear
away.
Take
the
fear
away
from
everyone.
You
know,
there's
such
a
a
fear
in
police
officers
that
they
can't
be
the
police.
If
you
start
taking
things
away
from
them
and
I
think
with
the
proper
communication
and
messaging,
they
still
have
to
no
no
you're
still
the
police
we're
just
kind
of
redirecting
and
restructuring
this,
but
you
will
always
be
the
police.
A
So
there's
a
report
in
Evan's
in
the
Evanston
fights
for
for
black
lives
report
and
just
wondering
what
what
aspects
of
that
report
did
you
find
most
important?
What
did
you
think
were
most
most
immediately
implementable
and
what
do
you
think
would
take
more
time,
and
what
do
you
think
maybe
would
work.
B
With
the
report
but
I
think
if,
if
we
take
a
look
at
statistics
and
what
actually
are
the
issues,
it
would
take
just
actually
to
take
a
look,
look
at
the
issues
and
really
put
in
resources
where
they
need
to
be
I'm,
a
big
I'm
big
on
taking
a
look
at
what's
needed
and
if
the
report,
if
I
had
the
report,
then
I
can
actually
read
it
and
say:
okay.
This
is
this
is
how
I
would
direct
or.
A
A
So
we've
certainly
all
seen
I
mean
this
has
been.
You
know
all
over
the
world
for
the
last
last
several
years
and
you
know
certainly
saw
a
great
deal
of
it.
Sort
of
highlighted
during
the
pandemic
and
in
the
fight
for
black
movement
for
black
lives
all
across
our
country,
but
we've
all
seen
you
know,
videos
of
police
shooting
at
suspects
who
are
who
are
running
away
when
guns
are
not
involved,
there's
no
threat
to
or
danger
to
the
community
other
than
escaping
arrest.
A
So
what
are
your
thoughts?
Is
that
an
appropriate
response?
And
if
so,
why?
And
if
not,
what
what
should
happen?
What
should
happen
to
an
officer
in
a
situation
like
that.
B
Definitely
is
not
a
proper
response,
I
think
training,
that's
what
training
comes
in
and
that's
why
I
say
training
has
to
be
something
that
is
is
every
year
it
is
maybe
twice
a
year.
It
is
actually
the
escalation
it
is
becoming
familiar
with.
You
know
what
you
can
do
and
what
you
can
do
so
training
definitely
takes
care
of
that
accountability
is,
is
on
top.
If
an
officer
is
one
to
do
something
that
is
again
it's
not
by
policy.
It
was
wrong,
then
they
should
be
held
accountable.
100
percent.
A
So
a
final
question
that
here
today
is
two
years
ago:
Evanston
youth
prepared
a
concert,
comprehensive
report
on
alternatives
to
policing.
So
have
you
have
you
seen
the
report
I.
A
Okay,
what
sort
of
restructuring
of
police
responsibilities
are
you
open
to
and
looking
at
a
report
of
that
type
or
just
thinking
in
general,
as
well.
B
I
think
again
that
that
structure
comes
along
with
restructuring
the
police
department.
It
comes
along
with,
let's
take
a
look
at
what
the
police
should
be
doing.
What
your
arrest
looked
like,
what
alternative
arrest
procedures
are
there
and
you
know
what
it
also
takes:
a
load
off
the
police
department,
so
looking
at
alternative
policing
is
huge
and
I'm
open
to
it.
A
B
I
want
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
to
yourself.
Thank
you
to
the
City
of
Evanston.
Thank
you
to
the
mayor
to
the
city
manager
to
the
chief
right
now
of
police.
B
B
They
made
me
who
I
am
today
if
it
weren't
for
the
city
of
Chicago
and
the
way
they
train
leaders
to
always
be
your
best
and
push
yourself
above
that
line,
I
wouldn't
be
sitting
here,
I'm
very
confident
in
my
abilities
when
I
take
a
look
at
my
past
assignments
and
I.
Take
a
look
at
everything.
That's
been
done
and
connections
that
I've
made
and
everything
that
that
I
was
able
to
kind
of
prove.
B
When
people
said
you
know
it
can't
be
done
and
I
came
out
and
did
it
with
the
community
with
recruiting
with
actually
taking
the
buy-in
from
both
sides
and
bringing
them
together,
I'm
very
proud
of
what
I've
done.
I
stand
I
sit
here
and
I
stand
I
sit
here,
confident
that
my
ability
to
lead
Evanston
in
New,
Direction
and
new
policing,
and
actually
aligning
it
with
the
mayor
and
his
vision
for
reimaging
the
public
safety
and
actually
with
the
six
pillars
of
21st
century
policing,
I
think
it's
a
win
for
everybody.
Thank.
A
You,
deputy
chief
Medallion
bonus,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
tonight.
Thank
you
for
sharing
with
us
in
the
community
and
yeah
just
appreciate
your
time.
Thank.
A
So
that's
it
for
our
questions
here,
we'll
be
back
with
our
second
candidate
in
just
a
moment.
We're
going
to
take
a
short
break.
A
Welcome
back!
Thank
you
to
all
of
us
to
all
of
you
who
have
been
here
who
are
here
for
the
first
leg.
We
are
now
here
with
our
our
second
candidate
for
evanston's,
chief
of
police,
Chief,
Joshua
hunt
from
the
Cook
County
State's
Attorney's
Office
welcome.
A
Thank
you
once
again
to
all
of
you
who
are
tuning
in
and
to
the
community
members
who
submitted
more
than
40
questions
for
this
panel
for
this
forum.
Once
again,
we
were
condensing
by
themes.
So
we
will,
you
know,
try
to
get
everyone's
everyone's
question
answered
in
one
way,
shape
or
form,
even
if
it's
not
your
specific
wording
and
and
once
again
thank
you
to
our
one
evanstonian
who
submitted
custom
questions
for
East
candidates.
So
that's
what
we'll
start
so
YouTube
hunt,
you
know
it's
it's!
No!
A
You
know
the
Cook
County
State's
Attorney's
office
is
not.
You
know,
always
perceived
well
in
communities
due
to
some.
You
know
perception
of
you
know,
maybe
repeat
and
violent
offenders
kind
of
you
know
getting
out
or
which
is
believed
to
increase
crime,
create
the
crime
epidemic.
Excuse
me
in
Chicago
and
some
of
the
suburbs.
So
what
would
you
do
to
ensure
that
that's
not
the
case
in
Evans
for
those
who
are
caught
and
accused
of
committing
crimes?
I
guess
convicted
too,
would
probably
be.
C
A
good
idea
addition
there,
too
yeah
that's
an
excellent
question.
I
first
want
to
start
by
sort
of
disputing
that.
Myth
and
I
agree
that
it
is
sort
of
an
overarching
narrative,
that's
fueled,
by
a
lot
of
misinformation.
C
There
is
very
specific
data
sets
that
support
the
conviction
rates
at
State
Attorney's
office
and
the
approval
rates
of
cases
that
are
presented
to
felony
review.
So,
while
it
may
seem
by
some
that
are
not
as
informed
as
they
should
be,
that
the
state
series
office
is
not
doing
the
job
it's
set
out
to
it's
simply
not
true
and
I.
C
A
And
so
how
would
you
you
know
using
those
relationships
making?
You
know
the
changes
that
you
see
is
necessary
to
you
know
the
processes
and
policing
in
our
community.
How
would
you
ensure
that
you
know
plans
for
transformative,
Justice,
Criminal
Justice,
the
reform
of
those
things
wouldn't
hurt
the
police
wouldn't
hurt.
You
know
our
our
community's
ability
to
sort
of
stay
safe
and-
and
you
know,
and
and
make
sure
that
that
everyone
here
has
an
opportunity
to
be
safe
and
secure
in
their
Community
excellent.
Thank.
C
You
for
that
question,
so
part
of
the
challenge
of
being
a
progressive
police
leader
is
achieving
balance
and
it's
something
that
I
think
as
a
nation
we've
not
been
able
to
do.
The
pendulum
is
swung
too
far
left
or
too
far
right
and
we've
disrupted
progress.
So
in
order
to
successfully
combat
crime,
I
firmly
believe
that
it's
going
to
take
a
two-pronged
approach.
One
is
proactive
and
intelligence-based
policing
that
identifies
the
drivers
of
violence,
identifies
the
crime
specifics
to
when
and
how
and
why
it's
occurring
and
deploys
our
tactical
resources
to
address
it.
C
C
Looking
for
systems
that
will
help
us
change
the
aforementioned
inequality
and
systemic
issues,
there
are
programs
across
the
country
that
are
looking
at
combating
gun
violence,
specifically
through
a
different
lens,
and
it's
through
street
level.
Engagement
counseling
for
the
persons
that
have
been
involved
in
a
very
traumatic
of
traumatic
life,
that
is
impacted
by
gun
violence
and
providing
a
pathway
to
escape
that
cycle
and
I.
Think
achieving
that
balance
is
something
that
is
very,
very
important
to
me
and
absolutely
achievable.
C
A
Thank
you.
So
you
know,
Evanston
has
not
been
immune
to
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
seeing
all
across
the
country.
In
terms
of
you
know:
Rising
crime
and
gun
violence,
things
that
have
certainly
spiked
since
the
pandemic,
and
so
we
need
you
know
a
properly
trained
and
well
properly
staffed
and
trained
a
police
department
to
really
be
a
successful
and
thriving
community.
So
we
know
that
our
Police
Department
is
currently
under
resourced
and
staffed,
and
it's
been
long
wait
times
for
police
response.
A
So
you
know,
can
you
talk
about
the
urgency
you
might
feel
in
in
the
role
to
bring
the
bring
the
staff
up
to
par?
And
you
know
in
terms
of
numbers
you
know,
and
what
would
you
do
to
kind
of
increase
hiring
to
bring
the
department
up
to
full
Staffing
and
how
do
you?
What
do
you
sort
of
consider
to
be
the
appropriate
Staffing
level?
Happy
to
repeat
any
of
those
questions,
yeah
sort
of
just
Staffing?
How
do
you
get
there
and-
and
what
do
you
think
is
the
right
level
for.
C
Us
sure
so
I
hesitate
to
say
that
this
is
the
most
important
thing,
because
there's
about
a
dozen
most
important
things,
but
this
one's
critical
you're
down
close
to
two
dozen
officers
and
that
is
dangerous,
very
dangerous
to
both
the
community
and
to
the
officers
it's
dangerous
on
an
actual
level
in
terms
of
the
potential
rise
in
crime.
But
it's
dangerous
on
a
mental
and
physical
health
issue
for
the
officers
and
so
priority.
One
for
me
would
be
starting
to
build
back.
Some
of
these
ranks.
C
I
think
the
first
step
is
working
with
the
city
government
here
to
examine
our
pay
scale
and
our
attractiveness
to
lateral
officers.
I
know
that
Evanston
excuse
me
for
saying
hour,
but
I.
C
Evanston
lost
a
lot
of
officers
to
neighboring
departments
and
I.
Think
that
part
of
the
research
that's
going
to
go
into
finding
out.
Why
is
reaching
out
to
those
same
officers
in
those
departments
and
find
out
what
made
that
community
so
much
more
attractive
to
you
than
Evanston?
It
doesn't
mean
some
tough
conversations
and
then
it's
going
to
be
127.
More
tough
conversations
with
the
folks
that
are
still
here
and
we're
gonna
have
to
ask
those
officers,
those
men
and
women
that
have
dedicated
themselves
their
lives
related
to
perfecting
this
community.
C
C
So
if
I
understand
correctly,
you
guys
are
close
to
160
160
officers
down
127,
plus
some
on
sick
leave.
C
It
depends
on
how
we
approach
this
and
I
have
a
few
more
ideas
about
how
we
can
maybe
so
there's
some
immediate
fixes
that
need
to
happen
to
get
these
levels
back
up
to
somewhere,
where
it's
safer
and
there's
some
long-term
Investments
and
some
long-term
planning
that
I
think
will
also
help
to
offset
the
downturn
so
for
one
is
examining
the
viability
of
community
service
officers,
so
unarmed
representatives
of
the
police
department
that
can
take
non-emergency
reports
that
can
work
parking
enforcement
that
can
work
the
front
desk.
C
We
need
to
free
up
some
of
the
time
of
our
sworn
Law
Enforcement
Officers,
so
that
they
can
dedicate
their
day
to
proactively,
focusing
on
safety
and
I.
Think
that's
a
very
it's
a
very
realistic
scenario.
I've
seen
it
work
very
well
in
many
other
departments,
and
it
does
several
things
as
I
said
before
it
frees
up
your
sworn
personnel,
but
it
also
places
very
approachable
representatives
of
the
police
department
on
the
street
that
can
handle
the
routine
non-emergency
calls.
C
That's
part,
one
of
the
plan
to
help
offset
this
balance
I
think
that
engaging
in
Innovative
strategies
like
they're
doing
in
Minneapolis,
where
they're
building
crisis
response
teams
again
unarmed
trained
mental
health
professionals
that
can
respond
to
crisis
costs.
I
hope
that
we
might
get
into
that
through
some
of
the
other
questions,
but
that's
several
of
the
of
the
key
initiatives
that
I
would
like
to
launch.
Yeah.
A
C
A
So
you
know
you
you
talked
about.
You
know
some
of
your
plans
to
bring
the
the
staff
back
up
to
you,
know
appropriate
levels
and
manageable
levels,
but
certainly
that's
not
to
snap
your
fingers
and.
C
Question
I'm
terrified
by
the
crisis
that
faces
law
enforcement
officers
in
this
community
and
Across
the
Nation
losing
over
200
year
officers
a
year
to
suicide,
and
you
could
attribute
that
suicide
directly
to
the
performance
of
their
duties.
That
is
a
true
danger
and
not
recognizing
the
value
of
mental
health
on
our
officers
would
be
a
failure.
We,
if
we
don't
take
care
of
our
officers
inside
the
walls
of
the
Evanston
Police
Department.
How
can
we
expect
them
to
appropriately
take
care
of
the
community?
C
They
serve
so
placing
a
real
emphasis
on
again
those
direct
conversations
with
the
officers
and
make
them
regular
and
intentional.
So
it's
not
like
hey.
How
are
you
doing
walking
down
the
hallway?
It's
a
real
check-in
and
working
with
the
leaders
of
the
respective
fop
unions
to
determine
what's
important
to
their
membership
is
something
that
will
be
key
and
regular
for
me.
I'm,
a
firm
believer
in
positive
interactions
through
Labor
Management
meetings
with
the
rank
and
file
I.
C
A
C
So
those
folks
that
are
here
under
10
years
are
the
ones
that
were
probably
the
most
at
risk
for
losing
and
they
also
represent
a
significant
investment
we've
already
made
and
the
future
of
the
Evanston
Police
Department,
so
working
with
them
to
identify
what
their
goals
are.
No
two
police
officers
want
to
do
the
same
thing
in
their
career,
so
having
valuable
conversations
that
have
a
result
about
career
planning.
A
C
So
I'm
very
proud
of
the
work
that
I've
done
in
the
investigations
Bureau
at
the
Cook
County
state
attorney's
office,
I'm
very
happy
to
to
say
that
our
attrition
level
hovers
right
at
zero
I've.
We
are
proactive
in
our
Recruitment
and
are
interviewing
and
our
identification
of
quality
talent
and
as
new
positions
are
opening.
We
are
filling
in
those
roles.
C
So
we
we
are
at
full
staff
now
and
have
been
throughout
the
course
of
my
tenure
and
would
continue
to
be
because
I
recognize
that
we
can't
keep
these
officers
forever
and
some
of
them
will
retire.
Some
will
leave
for
other
opportunities
and
so
having
your
finger
on
the
pulse
of
persons
that
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
would
would
be
a
key
priority
for
me.
A
C
C
You
can
train
people
all
day
long,
but
if
they
don't
believe
in
what
they're
learning
it's
gonna
be
a
harder
concept
to
grasp
so
showing
the
police
officers
in
Evanston
and
I'm
certain
that
most
of
them
already
get
it
that
there
is
True
Value
to
de-escalation,
both
in
that
exact
moment
and
in
the
days
and
weeks
that
follow
as
you're
building
positive
relationships
in
your
community.
That
de-escalation
does
work
and
it
absolutely
works
and
I
think
for
what
police
for
hundreds
of
years
haven't
done.
It
they're
doing
the
opposite,
and
let's
face
it.
C
It's
not
working
it's
time
for
a
change
and
I'm
happy
that
law
enforcement
is,
is
changing
this
direction
and
there
are
challenges.
There's
challenges
that
are
presented
by
social
demands
and
statutes,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
lean
into
those
challenges,
because
the
change
is
here
like
it
or
not,
and
really
embracing.
Why
Concepts
like
de-escalation
are
important
is
something
that
I
think
I
actually
really
firmly
believe
that
the
people
in
evanston's
and
the
Evanston
police
officers
will
grasp
easily.
C
Yes,
I
can
thank
you
for
asking
that
you
can
train
somebody
to
shoot.
You
can
train
them
to
drive.
You
can
train
them
to
handcuff.
You
can
train
to
write
good
reports.
You
can't
train
people
to
care.
That
is
the
most
important
thing
that
a
police
officer
can
bring
to
the
table
is
that
he
gives
a
damn.
He
or
she
gives
a
damn
about
their
community
and
it
can't
just
be
I
want
to
go
catch
the
bad
guy.
C
C
Critical
critical
rules
so
and
I'm
getting
ahead
of
myself,
but
on
my
list
of
things
to
do
if
I
was
so
lucky,
one
is
to
sit
down
and
get
to
know
all
of
the
current
chaplains
and
explore
expanding
that
contingency.
C
A
Go
so
the
Evanston
Police
Department
budget
has
almost
quadrupled
in
the
last
20
years.
So
how
do
you
you
know,
knowing
that
there's
expand,
there's
sort
of
Staff
growth
that
needs
to
happen.
There's
you
know
new
tools
that
maybe
need
to
be
brought
in.
How
do
you
save
the?
How
would
you,
as
Chief,
save
the
taxpayers
money
while
handling
all
of
those
you
know,
resources
and
staffing
needs
a
great.
C
Question
first,
I
think
the
first
thing
in
any
budgetary
examination
is
to
really
look
at
everything:
responding
spending
money
on
now
and
finding
out
what
our
return
on
the
investment
is.
What
programs
are
working?
What
tools
are
outdated?
What
can
we
what
can
be
replaced?
What
needs
to
be
enhanced
once
we've
evaluated
that
it
may
be
time
to
cut
some
things,
and
it
may
be
time
to
change
some
positions
or
change
change
some
responsibilities.
C
There
is
a
way
to
civilianize
certain
aspects
of
the
police
department
without
damaging
the
officer's
morale
and
without
damaging
or
operational
viability,
and
then
there
is
a
ton
of
grant
money
that
is
out
there.
That's
going
to
help
fund
the
programs
that
we
really
need
both
the
ones
that
are
new
and
Innovative,
and
the
ones
that
are
long-standing
I've
got
experience
in
seeking
some
of
that
funding
and
would
be
thrilled
to
bring
that
here
to
Evanston
and
help
find
innovative
ways
to
fund
initiatives
at
a
at
a
cost
to
the
taxpayer.
A
So
this
is
certainly
a
big
role
t
for
police.
It's
a
you
know,
critical
role
in
any
Community
right,
one
of
I
think
just
just
so
important
policing
impacts.
You
know
the
viability,
the
quality
of
so
many
lives.
It
means
a
lot
to
balance.
So
there's
everything
from
the
actions
of
your
officers,
the
paperwork
you
have
to
do-
safety
of
the
residents.
All
these
things
come
into
play.
How
do
you
find
balance
in
all
of
that.
C
I
I
think,
to
a
certain
degree,
anybody
that
would
want
to
be
a
police
chief
might
be
a
little
bit
crazy
right
because
there
is
it's
going
to
be.
It's
gonna,
be
a
personal
dream
and
and
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
balancing
that
drain
with
the
reward
that
you
would
get
from
investing
in
and
protecting
a
community
such
as
Evanston
outweighs
the
time
spent.
This
is
an
opportunity.
C
I
think
you
ask
any
police
officer,
they
might
say
the
same
thing:
I
wanted
to
be
a
cop
since
I
was
four
years
old.
That's
all
I
ever
wanted
to
do
and
I
it's
driven
by
this
need
to
help
people
and
to
protect
them,
and
the
world
is
a
really
big
scary
place
and
I
cannot
protect
the
whole
thing
but
Evanston
his
it
represents
a
cross-section
of
the
world.
C
A
Okay,
so
after
many
years
I'm
sure
you're
aware
Chicago
approved
a
community
commission
for
Public,
Safety
and
accountability,
you
know
it
gives
a
commit.
You
know
a
commission
of
residence,
the
final
say
on
policy
hiring.
You
know:
civilian
police,
the
head
of
civilian
police,
accountability
and
the
superintendent.
Would
you
be
willing
to
work
with
a
civilian
oversight
board
here
in
Evanston
and
yeah?
Just
would
you
be
willing
to
work
with
a
group
like
that
and
how
would
you
work
with
that
group.
C
I
helped
build
that
group
in
Chicago
and
I
take
great
pride
in
the
work
that
we
did
there,
similar
to
my
role
in
the
state.
Studies
Office.
There's
some
public
controversy
about
the
work
that's
done,
but
people
as
a
whole
sometimes
are
resistant
to
change,
but
change
was
needed
there
and
I
would
welcome
it
here.
C
I
think
that
strengthening
that
relationship
with
the
community,
Through,
transparency
and
civilian
oversight
only
helps
the
officers
because
it
gives
the
community
a
better
lens
into
what
they
deal
with
day
in
day
out
and
the
closer
we
get
the
community
to
the
police
and
the
police,
the
community,
the
better
and
the
safer.
It's
going
to
be
for
all
Evanston.
A
C
I
can't
imagine
many
more
hot
button
issues
than
the
safety
of
our
children
in
our
schools.
I've
done
my
homework
at
Evanston,
Township
High
School
has
one
of
the
better
school
resource
officers
in
the
country
from
what
I
can
tell
and
I
know
that.
There's
a
divide
right
now
about
in
some
communities
about
how,
whether
or
not
there's
a
place
for
police
officers
in
our
schools
and
I
respect
those
that
would
be
opposed
to
it,
but
I
think
we've
seen
how
horrifically
things
can
go
when
we
don't
have
officers
around
the
benefit.
C
The
true
benefit,
though,
to
having
police
officers
in
schools,
is
we're
building
positive
relationships
with
young
people
and
we're
giving
them
an
outlet
to
see
that
police
are
people
too
I
think
that
the
continued
investment
in
those
relationships
and
Beyond
the
walls
of
the
schools
is
huge.
It's
huge.
So
it's
something
that
I
in
my
in
my
experience
in
Savannah
as
a
homicide.
C
Detective
are
best
resources,
we're
the
school
resource
officers
because
they
knew
every
kid
there
and
they
knew
all
the
intelligence
we
didn't
know,
because
that
is
a
Bastion
for
data
Gathering
and
it's
also,
more
importantly,
a
place
where
relationships
are
formed
and
so
I've
I've
relied
upon.
Those
relationships
in
the
past
would
do
so
here.
A
So
you
know,
as
you
mentioned
before,
and
just
a
moment
ago,
people
have
different
experiences
with
the
police,
and
you
know
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
this.
You
know
a
few
sections,
but
you
know
for
some
people
right,
they
have.
You
know,
encounters
with
police
are
not
positive.
Some
folks
have
positive,
generally
positive
interactions
with
the
police
and
and
certainly
with
any
institution.
There
are
things
to
you
know,
preserve
that
work
and
things
that
that
don't
so.
How
do
you
balance
sort
of
this
call?
A
C
It's
done
in
an
atmosphere
where
the
person
being
stopped
in
the
street
already
knows
the
officer,
and
they
know
the
officer,
because
the
officer
has
been
out
in
their
block
a
hundred
times
before
that,
having
regular
conversations
every
time
the
police
get
out
of
the
car,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
put
your
hands
in
the
hood.
What
do
you
got
in
your
pockets?
It
can
be.
How
are
you
guys
doing
today?
You
get
that
job.
Do
you
need
help
getting
your
driver's
license?
C
Those
conversations,
those
interactions
over
and
over
and
over
again
build
respect
and
Trust
I've
been
a
crime
fighter
for
a
long
time.
I
don't
have
to
respect
the
crime
you're
doing,
but
I
can
respect
you
and
I
can
treat
you
with
respect,
and
that
to
me
is
one
of
the
key
components
of
true
community
policing
is,
is
repetitive,
respectful
interactions
that
way
when
something
does
go
wrong
or
someone
has
to
be
arrested
or
an
officer
has
to
use
a
reasonable
amount
of
force
to
affect
an
arrest.
C
But
it's
done
so
with
respect,
even
the
person
on
the
other
side
of
the
interaction
who's
having
a
terrible
day
and
getting
arrested
understands
why
it
happened
and
if
you
treat
them
with
respect,
just
a
recipe
for
making
an
uncomfortable
situation
a
little
more
comfortable,
yeah.
A
Yeah
I
think
that
question
is
a
great
segue
into
the
next
section.
We
start
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
a
little
bit
about
community
relations,
so
you
know
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
just
your
approach
to
Public
Safety
and
what
your,
what
you
think
the
role
of
the
chief
of
police
is
in
community.
C
I
think
that
the
role
of
the
chief
of
police-
and
this
word
has
a
negative
connotation
but
I
think
it's
true.
It's
a
bit
of
a
politician.
You
need
to
be
out
engaging
with
every
single
different
representative
of
every
single
community
on
a
regular
basis.
C
If,
if
so
fortunate,
to
be
offered
this
opportunity,
it'd
be
my
intention
to
do.
Wednesday
award
walks
and
walk
every
Ward.
Every
Wednesday
go
to
the
local
barber
shop.
Sit
down
for
coffee,
go
to
different
church
services
on
rotating
churches,
on
different
Sundays,
engage
I,
think
that,
like
they're
had
a
town
hall
recently
where
they
talked
about
the
qualities
they
would
want
to
find
in
the
police
chief
and
one
was
an
open
door
policy
and
I
have
to
respectfully
disagree.
C
C
In
your
church,
saying,
hi,
making
friends
I
watching
my
daughter
on
the
playground,
walk
up
to
any
person
of
any
color
or
any
size
or
race
and
say:
do
you
want
to
be
friends,
is
a
real
glimpse
of
how
people
are
actually
wired,
people
that
lose
the
sight
of
that
lose
sight
of
that,
because
they've
had
negative
interactions
or
they've
been
miseducated
at
our
core.
We
all
want
to
connect
with
people
and
I'm
a
grown
man.
C
A
Role,
small
P,
Politics,
the
politics
of
human
interaction,
maybe
not
the
big
p.
Like
our
friend
mayor,
Daniel,
biss,
here
trying
to
go
out
campaign,
you
know
you
can
do
the
small
P
yeah
yeah.
So
what
is
your?
What
would
you
say
is
your
approach
to
sort
of
you
know
in
a
dis,
sorry
sort
of
a
building
Community?
What
do
you
think
your
approach
would
be
to
Staffing
and
prioritizing
sort
of
communications
as
a
department
as
a
function
of
the
police
department.
C
C
The
fast
pace
of
media
has
done
a
disservice
to
the
police
across
the
country,
because
all
we
get
is
the
bad
news
it
bleeds
it
leads.
We
hit
the
awful
news
we
don't
get
enough
of.
Is
the
good
news
and
the
good
that
police
officers
are
doing
every
single
day.
C
It's
under
storied
is
undersold
and
part
of
that
might
be,
and
I
say
when
I
say
we
I
mean
the
police
across
the
country,
our
own
fault,
because
we
aren't
good
at
self-publicizing
you'll,
hear
every
police
officer
say
after
a
Pat
in
the
back,
I
was
just
doing.
My
job
officer
saves
a
little
girl
from
drowning.
I
was
doing
my
job
and
it's
true,
but
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
officers
do
that's
not
part
of
their
job
description
that
makes
their
communities
better.
You
have
a
kid
who's
bicycle
stolen.
C
The
officers
rally
together
and
buy
them
a
new
bike.
You
get
goats
get
loose,
they
round
up
the
goats
old,
ladies
lawn
doesn't
get
mowed.
They
mow
their
her
yard
and
their
off
time
publicizing
that
interaction
and
not
not
not
to
take
advantage
of
the
good
but
show
in
the
community.
What
we're
doing
is
a
is
a
is
a
critical
step.
C
I've
seen
some
police
departments
do
this
very
well
through
social
media
and
highlighting
the
good
that
their
officers
do
and
slowly,
but
surely
it
begins
to
change
the
perspective
of
the
community
about
what
their
police
are
doing
and
it
builds
Pride.
I
think
that
very
simple,
first
step
through
social
media
engagement
and
similar
programs
will
help
publicize
the
excellent
work
and
the
important
work
that
the
Evanston
police
officers
are
doing
already.
A
Can
you
describe
your
experience
with
community
policing
models
and
and
if
you
would
recommend
it
in
Evanston,
so
we've
had
community
policing
departments
sections
in
the
past
they've
sort
of
faded
away
in
recent
times
for
I.
Think
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
so
you
know:
do
you
think
it's
a
valuable
tool
and
how
would
you
implement
it?
Slash
rebuild
it
in
Evanston.
Yes,.
C
Absolutely
so
I
know
that
recently,
because
of
Staffing
shortages,
they've
had
to
shift
some
of
the
resources
away
from
the
community
oriented
role.
If
you
will
once
we're
full
staff,
I
would
anticipate
sliding
those
resources
back,
but
you
don't
need
to
have
a
unit
or
units
dedicated
to
that
specifically
to
achieve
appropriate
and
successful
community
policing.
Having
beat
officers
that
have
true
ownership
over
the
problems
in
their
beat
and
encouraging
philosophy
of
community
policing
is
something
that's
very
achievable.
A
C
Safety
right,
so
what's
one
of
the
things
that
makes
Evanston
so
great,
is
there
the
bars,
the
restaurants,
the
shopping,
the
dining,
the
small
mom
and
pop
bookstores?
That's
what
makes
the
it's
an
epicenter
right
and
it
makes
it
vibrant.
Clearly
it's
good
for
the
economy,
but
it
also
attracts
people
to
this
area.
C
It
makes
them
want
to
stay
here,
and
then
you
combine
that
with
everything
else
that
Evanston
has
to
offer
the
business
district
and
those
businesses
are
critically
important
and
so
making
sure
that
they're
involved
in
the
community
safety
meetings
that
I
know
that
we
will
have
and
proactively
involved
and
making
sure
that
we're
reaching
them
through
repetitive
visits
will
be
critical
and
we're
gonna
have
to
attract
new
businesses
to
the
extent
that
there's
any
space
for
them
to
go
and
by
fostering
a
vibrant
business,
Community
will
attract
more.
A
So
we
have
a
few
questions
that
are,
you
know,
sort
of
center
around.
You
know
an
issue
we
touched
on
earlier
people
having
you
know,
you
know
differing
experiences
in
terms
of
engaging
with
the
police
and
Community,
specifically
in
our
black
and
latinx
communities.
Right,
so
concerns
about
mistrust
between
those
communities
and
the
police
concerns
about
over-policing,
which
is
you
know,
I
think
we,
oh
it's
like
it's
data
proven
right
that
it
happens
in
black
and
brown
communities
and
and
folks
feeling
like
they
are.
A
You
know,
there's
implicit
bias
or
they've
not
even
feel
if
it's
people
experiencing
implicit
bias
when
engaging
with
with
the
with
the
police,
so
this
is
sort
of
a
multi-part
question,
happy
to
sort
of
break
it
down.
So
so
first,
you
know
what
sort
of
strategies
Trends
or
tools
are
there
available
you
think
to
to
to
confront
and
deal
with
some
of
those
issues.
Great.
C
C
There
is
training
that
helps
us
recognize
that
and
that's
step
one.
Overcoming
that
bias
is
step
two,
and
that
takes
time,
but
recognizing
it
is
step
one
and
everybody
has
it
so
in
terms
of
training
and
tools.
That
would
be
the
first
thing
that
I
would
make
sure
that
all
of
the
Evans
Police
Department
had
is
training
the
implicit
bias
and
and
then
the
procedural
Justice
training
that
follows
so
that
we
can
recognize
why
we
see
things
the
way
we
do
and
then
identify
alternative
Pathways
towards
dealing
with
problems
in
certain
communities.
C
And
there
are
investments
in
those
communities
that
have
not
been
made
and
there's
new
strategies
that
have
not
been
employed
that
need
to
be,
and
part
of
that
starts
with
reinvesting
in
those
communities
and
importantly,
showing
those
who
have
not
had
an
opportunity
that
there
is
a
pathway
to
something
other
than
crime
and
I
will
dedicate
myself
to
those
particular
resources.
It
starts
with
programs
that
employ
violence
Interrupters
on
the
street
street
Outreach,
where
we're
actually
in
communities
in
a
non-confrontational
manner
we're
not
policing
the
neighborhood.
C
We
are
deploying
resources
that
a
community
needs
and
hasn't
had
for
a
long
long
time
that
street
Outreach
forms
relationships,
builds
trust
and
leads
towards
programs
that
can
provide
training,
internships,
job
opportunities,
and
then
we've
got
to
advocate
for
those
programs
with
our
state
and
local
lawmakers
to
make
sure
they
recognize
that
these
are
investments
that
are
critical
to
change,
to
truly
changing
the
culture.
We
cannot
police
our
way
out
of
this,
we've
got
to
employ
alternative
strategies.
A
That's
great
I
mean
you
jump
through
sort
of
quite
the
next
sort
of
stages
of
questions.
They
were
like
no
hey.
It
saves
us
some
time
right,
we're
no,
but
yeah,
talking
about
sort
of
training
and
non-training
issues
so
that
you
could
ways
you
could
approach
so
I,
don't
know
how
much
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
dive
in
word
by
word.
A
C
As
well,
so
let's
can
I
do.
The
second
word
question.
First,
absolutely
I
find
it
so
inspiring
that
the
second
ward,
which
has
had
some
problems
of
violent
crime
there
is
a
fight
to
bring
leadership
to
that
Ward
I
think
it
was
nine
and
now
seven
candidates
that
are
raising
their
hands.
Saying
I
can
make
this
better.
C
That
says,
a
lot
about
that
Ward
and
Evanston
in
general.
I
have
been
so
inspired
by
through
this
process
that
you
have
so
many
people
from
this
community
that
recognize
there's
problems
and
it'd
be
way
easier
to
walk
away
from
them
or
ignore
them.
Instead,
you've
got
people
clawing
over
each
other
to
help
lead
and
help
fix
it.
What
does
that
say
about
this
community
that
you
have
people
that
are
that
willing?
And
it's
not
it's
a
thankless
job?
C
It's
got.
It
has
to
be
taxing,
but
they
still
are.
C
They
have
the
courage
to
say
we
can
make
this
better
and
so
I
I
I'm,
so
inspired
by
what
they're
trying
to
do
in
the
second
ward
and
I
think
that
that
sort
of
ambition
is
will
be
contagious
and
I
know
they
get
help
from
the
other,
Wards
and
I
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
the
problems
of
one
Warden
Evanston
or
the
problems
of
all
of
Evanston,
it's
7.8
square
miles.
This
is
not
a
huge
City,
it's
a
vibrant
one
and
it's
it's
diverse
and
Rich,
but
it's
not
huge.
C
So
if
any
one
of
us
is
not
safe,
we're
all
not
safe
yeah
and
so
I
admire
what
they're
doing
in
the
second
ward
I
look
forward
to
how
that
particular
race
plays
out,
but
I
know
that
second
ward
is
in
good
hands
because
there
are
people
there
that
really
want
to
leave
yeah
yeah.
A
C
A
Right,
absolutely
absolutely
yeah
for
sure
none
of
the
council
yeah
right
right,
so
moving
into
sort
of
you
know:
crime
reduction
conversation
there.
So
you
know,
we've
talked
about
this.
You
you
know
seem
to
you
know,
have
an
understanding
of
it
that
we
like
a
lot
of
communities,
but
you
know
I,
think
it's
oftentimes,
it's
more
pronounced
in
a
community
of
great
resources
like
Evanston
the
gun
violence
has
become.
You
know
more
of
a
fact
of
life.
We've
had
some
really
recent
challenges
around
it.
A
You
know
gun
violence
impacting
even
outside
of
our
community,
impacting
our
community
and
things
like
that.
Members
of
our
community.
So
you
know
we
know
and
I
think
you've
addressed
this
and
underneath
the
violence.
There's
a
lot
of
mental
health
issues,
experiences
with
trauma.
You
know
poverty
and
all
these
sort
of
things
that
are
you
know.
A
Upstream
indicators
are
Upstream
creators
of
of
path
that
ultimately
lead
to
violence,
acknowledging
that
you
are
not
a
psychologist,
psychiatrist
or
social
worker,
or
anything
like
that,
which
is
really
love
to
hear
your
Reflections
on
how
you
address
some
of
the
root
causes
of
violence.
C
So
in
in
my
career,
as
a
police
officer
as
a
tactical
Sergeant
as
a
homicide,
investigator
I
have
been
across
the
interview
room
from
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people
that
have
committed
violent
crime.
Acts
of
violent
crime.
I
can
tell
you
that
some
of
them
are
purely
evil
people
and
sadly,
the
world
has
some
purely
evil
people.
Most
of
them
are
persons
that
never
had
a
chance.
C
They
never
had
an
opportunity,
never
had
a
path,
didn't
have
positive
adult
role,
models
in
their
lives
and
they
got
stuck
very
easily
in
this
cycle
of
crime
and
violence,
because
there
was
no
way
out
and
no
one
ever
showed
them
a
way
out.
I
think
that's
the
root
cause
of
so
many
of
the
problems
that
we
have
not
just
in
Evanston,
but
in
the
country
and
so
providing
a
path
showing
that
there
is
a
way
other
than
what
you're
doing
is
hugely
important.
A
Yeah
yeah,
and
how
would
you
you
know
ensure
that
the
ways
that
you
deal
with
some
of
the
you
know
challenges
around
gun.
Violence
in
our
community
don't
inflict
further
harm
on
the
black
community,
specifically
the
brown
Community
as
well.
How
do
you
ensure
that
those
things
happen
right.
C
So-
and
you
alluded
to
the
second
ago,
Evanston
has
been
devastated
by
some
really
horrific
gun
violence
in
the
last
few
weeks
where
children
are
being
shot.
That's
absolutely
unacceptable
and
I
don't
want
to
I
do
believe.
There
are
systemic
issues
that
need
to
be
fixed,
but
we
also
have
to
be
very
serious
about
taking
guns
out
of
the
hands
of
of
people
that
would
misuse
them.
D
C
C
A
A
So
you
know,
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
violent
crime,
but
there's
also
been
some
spikes
in
sort
of
what
folks
would
call
you
know:
Penny
Petty
crimes,
right
bike
theft,
catalytic
converter
theft
is
all
over
anybody's
on
next
door.
That
website
there's
nothing
but
catalytic
converter,
converter
theft
stories
and,
and
you
know,
sort
of
crimes
of
that
that
nature.
How
would
you
sort
of
confront
those.
C
C
Let's
take
the
catalytic
converter
crime,
for
instance,
I'm,
going
to
presume
just
like
anything
else,
they're
happening
in
certain
places
at
certain
times,
so
we
identify
those
times
and
then
come
up
with
innovative
solutions
for
either
deterrence
or
apprehension
both
can
happen.
At
the
same
time,
there
are
some
communities
that
are
launching
paint
your
catalytic
converter,
pink
programs,
it's
brilliant
so
that
when
they
show
up
at
a
scrap
yard,
they'll
be
turned
away.
That's
an
Innovative
deterrence,
but
there's
ways
to
be
Innovative
in
apprehension
as
well.
A
So,
moving
on
to
you
know
some
questions
about
you
as
a
leader,
can
you
just
talk
about
sort
of
your
your
leadership
Journey?
What
brought
you
here
to
this
point
in
your
career
and
sort
of
describe
your
your
leadership
style.
C
I
was
on
a
Tactical
Unit
and
we
had
pulled
the
car
over
and
there
were
four
guys
in
the
car
and
two
guns
and
I
just
sort
of
was
helping
the
officer
pull
the
car
over
understand
what
he
could
do,
what
he
could
do,
who
he
could
charge.
We
couldn't
and
he
turned
to
me
and
he
said,
hunt
you
have
a
way
of
explaining
things
that
makes
me
feel
not
stupid.
C
I
told
him
you're,
not
stupid,
you're
learning
and
we're
all
learning
and
I
think
it
was
kind
of
in
that
moment
that
I
realized
that
maybe
my
leadership
Journey
had
begun
was
a
young
police
officer.
It
continued
through
homicide,
I
I
really
enjoy
helping
the
people
that
I
work
with
I.
Think
the
success
of
a
leader
is
the
success
of
his
people.
C
So
to
me,
the
most
important
thing
is
that
the
people
that
I
have
the
pleasure
of
working
with
that's
something
that
you
will
not
hear
me
say
and
I
don't
like
hearing
people
say
well,
these
guys
work
for
me
no
way
we
work
together.
I
love
working
with
other
law
enforcement
officers
and
I
love,
learning
from
other
law
enforcement
officers
and
I'm,
not
ashamed
to
admit
it
and
I.
A
So
fast
forward,
assuming
you've,
you
know
you're
offered
and
accept
the
role
and
you've.
You
know
your
work
in
Evanston,
because
it's
such
a
wonderful
place-
and
it
truly
is
until
you
retire,
two
sort
of
Reflections.
What
do
you
think
will
be
the
thing
that
kept
you
up
most
at
night
and
what
do
you
think
your
legacy?
What
would
you
like
your
legacy
to
be
at
that
point.
C
The
things
that
will
keep
me
up
are
the
health
and
well-being
and
the
safety
of
the
officer.
That's
riding
the
midnight
Patrol.
That
would
be
tough,
yeah
I.
It's
tough
to
think
about
now.
I've
been
there.
I've
got
friends
that
have
been
there,
I've
friends
that
have
they
haven't
made
it
off
that
and
that
will
bother
me
I
think
the
only
way
to
handle
it
is
just
to
make
sure
that
those
officers
know
that
they're
cared
for
and
God
forbid.
We
have
an
officer,
that's
hurt
to
take
care
of
their
families.
C
D
C
Want
to
walk
down
the
street
and
be
able
to
call
people
by
their
name
and
if
I
can
achieve
those
things,
then
I
will
have
been
successful.
A
A
couple
other
areas
I'd
like
to
discuss
so
first,
you
talked
about
the
relationship
with
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police.
So
can
you
you
know,
share
your
opinion
on
on
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police,
and
how
do
you
balance
you
know
standing
up
to
the
union.
You
know
holding
officers
accountable
with
forcing
that
relationship.
C
Okay,
so
in
terms
of
holding
officers
accountable,
while
the
fop
on
its
face
to
the
Casual
Observer
may
not
seem
like
they
would
be
a
key
role
player
in
that
regard.
They
are
and
if
there's
an
officer,
that's
violated
the
policy.
There's
a
CL
there's
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
our
policies
and
procedures
that
help
create
a
clear
path
that
is
fair
for
all
and
I.
A
And
then
the
next
section
and
final
section
will
sort
of
be
just
a
couple
of
couple
part
questions.
So
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
alternative
to
9-1-1
responses.
So
we've
had
a
couple
of
reports.
There
was
the
Evanston
fights
for
black
lives
report
and
the
Evanston
youth
prepared
a
concert
comprehensive
report
two
years
ago
on
alternatives
to
policing
so
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
either
of
those
reports.
A
C
So
I
think
it
starts
with
like
small
neighborhood
complaints,
nuisance
complaints,
but
Leaf
Boeing
cars
are
parked
in
the
wrong
Street.
Those
don't
have
to
be
911
calls.
Those
can
be
addressed
by
our
aforementioned
plan
for
community
service
officers,
again
unarmed
representatives
from
the
police
department
that
are
able
to
take
reports
or
provide
non-emergency
assistance,
so
I
think
that's
critical,
but
that's
not
that's
not
where
they
end
our
bicycle
theft.
C
Reports,
catalytic
converter,
reports,
burglary
reports,
instances
where
we
can
send
non-armed
police
Personnel
out
there
I
think
is
absolutely
viable
and
it
does
further
the
trust
in
the
community
look
at
places
like
the
UK,
where
the
Metropolitan
Police
largely
unarmed.
They
have
armed
cars
but
they're,
largely
unarmed
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
we
de-arm
the
police,
but
there's
certainly
a
way
to
use
those
resources
in
an
effective
way.
A
And
then
the
final
one,
you
know,
certainly
none
of
us
have
been
immune
to
you
know
the
videos
that
we've
seen
online
of
you
know
some.
Some
with
you
know
police
officers
shooting
at
suspects
who
are
running
away.
There's
no
guns,
there's
no,
you
know
involved
no
threat
of
danger
other
than
a
suspect
escaping
arrest.
So
you
know,
do
you
feel
that's
an
appropriate
response
and
if
so,
why
and
if
not?
How
should
the
officer,
you
know
be
held
accountable,
be
punished
right.
C
So
here's
kind
of
the
here's
the
issue
with
first
of
all,
binary
cameras,
dashboard
cameras.
The
prevalence
of
video
recording
in
our
society
is
great,
it's
great
for
law
enforcement
and
it's
also
good
for
the
community.
So
they
can
see
what
happened,
but
sometimes,
even
when
something
is
within
policy
and
by
the
letter
of
the
law
and
protect
it
by
the
Granby
Connor
rulings
from
the
Supreme,
Court
and
other
use
of
force
rulings.
C
It
doesn't
look,
good
violence,
never
looks
good,
it
never
looks
pretty
so
the
key
there
is
educating
the
public
about
what
is
appropriate,
what's
protected
by
Statute,
what's
protected
by
policy
and
what
is
not,
and
sometimes
these
use
of
force
encounters.
Something
may
look
horrific
that
is
actually
within
policy
and
so
through
education
and
capitalizing
on
trusted
relationships.
C
I
think
that's
the
way
to
we
can't
just
frame
the
stuff
by
itself.
Ask
them
with
context,
and
the
only
way
to
provide
meaningful
context
is
to
have
a
base
of
trust
that
it's
provided
upon.
So
thank.
C
Well,
I
I,
first
of
all,
I'm
absolutely
honored
to
for
this
experience,
I've
really
enjoyed
this
conversation.
I'm
also
honored
that
I've
that
I'm
here
amongst
these
other
two
finalists,
who
are
both
remarkable
human
beings,
if
selected
I,
will
give
evidence
in
everything,
I
have
and
I
I'm
I'm,
really
really
inspired
by
the
level
of
involvement
from
your
city.
Leaders
in
this
process,
I've
never
been
in
multiple
panel
interviews
with
that
many
people
from
every
different
aspect
of
this
community,
and
it
says
so
much
about
how
important
this
is
to
Evanston.
A
Care
welcome
back,
thank
you
to
all
of
us
who
all
of
you
who
have
stuck
with
us
for
for
tonight's
conversations,
I
think
they've
been
been
really
great
and
we've
learned
a
lot
about
our
candidates.
Tonight
now
we
have
our
our
third
candidate,
deputy
chief
Shanita
Stewart
of
the
East
Dundee
Police
Department
excited
to
have
you
here
tonight
and
again
once
again,
just
wanted
to
thank
all
of
you
who
are
joining
us
who
are
watching
us.
A
Thank
you
for
submitting,
though,
more
than
40
questions
that
folks
have
submitted
once
again
we're
you
know
we
group
them
by
theme.
So
if
you
don't
hear
your
specific
question
read
out,
we
are
getting
to
all
of
the
topics
in
the
conversation
and
also
you
know
trying
to
follow
the
natural
flow
of
the
conversation
as
well.
A
But
just
thank
you
all
for,
for
submitting
and
being
a
part
of
this
process,
one
of
our
residents
submitted
custom
questions
for
each
one
of
our
candidates,
so
we're
going
to
start
there
with
you
and
so
for
you
Deputy
Chief
Stewart,
your
prior
experience,
leading
police
forces
occurred
in
in
Lincolnwood
and
East
Dundee
Lincoln
Woods
population
is
about
1
6
of
thin
small,
far
smaller
population
of
Black
and
Hispanic
residents,
East
Dundee's
population
also
smaller.
A
It
has
a
greater
proportion
of
Hispanic
residents,
but
still
far
fewer
Black
and
Hispanic
residents
in
Evanston.
So
you
know
what
what
abilities
and
experiences
in
your
prior
law
enforcement
career
do.
You
feel
helped
you
help
prepare
you
for
the
responsibility
of
managing
a
police
force
as
large
as
evanston's
in
the
town
of
this
size
and
and
a
town
that
is
as
diverse
and
and
deals
with
some
of
the
challenges
that
come
with
diversity
as
Evanston.
E
Well,
before
I
get
into
my
experience,
my
education
and
my
train
I
like
to
say
that
the
concept
of
community
policing
doesn't
really
dictate
the
size.
It's
about
the
strategies
and
the
strategies
that
you
implement
and
building
that
partnership
with
the
community.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
question.
There's
differences,
yes
in
sizes
in
Lincolnwood
and
East
Dundee,
but
the
concept
the
strategies
of
creative
policing
doesn't
change.
Based
off
of
that.
E
My
experience
for
almost
22
years
in
Lincolnwood
and
then
over
a
year
in
East,
Dundee,
actually
I
think
I
gained
a
lot
of
experience
in
East
Dundee
due
to
the
chief
of
police
not
being
in
the
office.
That
gave
me
the
experience
of
dealing
with
internal
investigations.
Implementing
policies
use
of
force,
Labor
Management
relations
are
very
strong
for
me
in
budget,
but
also
I.
E
Think
that
my
education,
one
thing
about
me
and
my
family
is
education,
is
extremely
important
me
and
my
twin
sister
are
the
first
to
have
bachelor's
degrees
in
our
family
to
set
the
tone
and
my
niece
Angel
Mason
has
a
PHD
that
I'm
very
I'm,
very
proud
of
I
won't
call
her
a
doctor,
but.
A
She
does
have
that
with
the.
E
Training
I've
always
went
out
and
take
taken
advantage
of
any
training
opportunity
available
from
the
three
three
week:
executive
management
course
at
Northwestern
to
the
10-week
staff
in
command
and
I.
Think
all
that
put
together.
Besides
my
just
personally
how
I
view
this
profession
and
wanted
to
be
a
change
agent,
it
makes
me
a
perfect
fit
to
deal
with
a
definitely
larger
City,
such
as
Evanston.
A
So
beyond
kind
of
working
in
in
a
you
know
a
larger
community
in
a
larger
Police
Department.
You
know
you'd
also
be
the
face
of
the
police
department
in
this
role.
So
how
would
you?
How
would
you
manage
manage
that
piece
of
the
role
I.
E
E
You
need
to
take
advantage
of
every
opportunity
to
engage
the
public
I,
don't
care
if
it's
the
first
day
of
school
and
and
you're
out
there
with
your
officers
assisted
the
kids
would
would
go
into
school,
I,
don't
care
if
it's
going
to
get
lunch
and
making
making
a
positive
contact
with
somebody
every
day,
I
try
to
engage
someone
new
and
build
a
good
relationship,
while
in
Lincolnwood
I
came
up
with
a
daily
assignment
to
the
school
in
which
we
have
officers
there
in
a
positive
way
of
meeting
and
greeting
the
the
staff
and
the
citizens,
I'm,
sorry
and
the
juveniles,
but
I
think
you
got
to
be
creative,
think
outside
the
box
and
get
out
there
as
a
face.
E
A
You
first,
you
know:
we've
got
a
couple
of
sort
of
topics
com,
you
know,
common
questions
to
everyone
and
we'll
start
with
with
Staffing.
So
Evanston
has
not
been
immune.
We've
not
escaped
sort
of
the
the
challenges
that
many
communities
have
seen
sort
of
in
this
post-pandemic
world
with
Rising
crime
and
specifically
gun
violence,
has
been
a
challenge.
A
I'm
sure
you're,
aware
we've
had
a
couple
of
recent
shootings
and
and
even
some
outside
of
our
community
that
have
affected
our
community
and
we
know
that
having
a
properly
staffed
and
well-trained
police
department
is
really
important
to
the
success
of
our
community.
But
unfortunately,
in
the
moment
right
now
we're
understaffed
under-resourced.
So
you
know
just
wanted
to
hear
what
you
you
know
how
you
feel
about
the
urgency
of
bringing
the
part
the
the
department
of
the
you
know
full
Staffing,
and
what
would
you
do
to
increase
hiring?
A
E
Think
that's
the
number
one
issue
right
now:
plagan
Anderson
I
know
it's
a
a
problem
nationally
and
everybody's
dealing
with
recruitment,
hiring
retention,
but
I
think
it's
Unique
right
now
to
Evanston,
and
we
got
to
be
honest
about
that.
Jefferson
Police
Department
is
losing
members
that
have
a
lot
of
experience
that
aren't
your
your
newer
officers
or
your
veteran
officers
that
are
retiring.
E
We
need
to
get
down
to
the
bobbin
and
see
why
people
are
leaving
I
would
like
to
address
that
by
hearing
from
the
Personnel,
you
have
loyal
people
that
work
for
this
Police
Department
that
have
stuck
through
a
pandemic.
Civil
unrest
and
they're
still
here
working
every
day
and
you
want
to
surround
them
and
give
them
the
advocate
Staffing
to
deal
with
Community
concerns.
E
Crimes
of
violence
is,
is,
in
part,
a
police
department
problem.
But
it's
it's
a
it's
a
public
public
health
problem.
You
know
I
want
to
infringe
on
people's
second
amendment
rights,
but
guns
are
getting
the
hands
of
people
that
shouldn't
have
them
right.
My
family's
been
affected
by
gun
violence.
You
know
that
this
it
means
something
to
me:
I'm
passionate
about
it.
So
I
think
we
have
to
have
the
Staffing
in
place
to
deal
with
the
issues
that
take
place
right.
E
If
you
don't
have
Staffing,
you
can't
address
the
mission
of
the
police
department.
Recruiting
recruiting
has
to
be
done.
We
can
use
social
media,
but
it
should
be
done
by
the
people
that
work
here
at
Evanston
right,
they're
going
to
be
your
biggest
promoters
for
saying
this
is
a
place.
I
want
to
work
and
right
now
that
might
not
be
the
case
where
people
feel
that
they're
being
supported
where
they
come
to
work,
and
we
have
to
change
that.
We
have
to
deal
with
Staffing
to
deal
with
morale.
E
You
know
and
officer
wellness
and
until
we
deal
with
those
two,
we
can't
even
get
to
building
a
Community
Partnership
right
be
quite
honest,
and
this
those
are
tough
conversations
that
have
to
be
had
internally
and
externally.
We
can't
publicly
bash
police
officers
that
come
every
day
and
work
hard
to
do
their
job.
Now.
I
understand
that
you
know
part
of
procedural
Justice.
You
want
to
have
a
voice
right,
yeah,
it
wanted
to
be
fair.
You
want
to
be
respected.
E
You
want
to
be
trustworthy
and
you
want
to
voice
and
that
voices
from
the
community,
but
we
need
to
do
that
in
a
professional
manner,
where
we
stop
losing
Personnel
that
we
need
to
keep
the
streets
of
Edison
safe.
I'm
invested
in
this
community.
I
have
family
in
this
community.
You
know,
and
but
I
also
want
to
work
for
a
police
department
that
people
want
to
go
to
every
day
and
feel
appreciated
and
I
think
that
can't
be
lost
in
any
of
this.
No
matter
who
the
chief
is.
A
Yeah
absolutely
so
you,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
morale.
What
sort
of
you
know
strategies?
Would
you
implement
to
address
the
staff
shortage
to
deal
with
morale,
to
retain
officers,
specifically
those
who
are
kind
of
at
or
under
the
10-year
Mark,
so
that
you
know
they
will
stay
in
Evanston
for
the
long
term,
I.
E
Think
showing
you
appreciating
officer
goes
a
long
way.
I
mean
reward
them
for
the
good
work
they're
doing,
especially
when
you're
trying
to
create
a
culture
of
an
organization
right
based
around
community
policing.
You
know
you
know
rewarding
them
for
those
positive
Community
engagements.
E
This
is
an
unbelievable
Police
Department,
you
know.
What's
not
being
talked
about.
Is
you
know
in
January
of
2021?
You
know
you
had
Personnel
this
Police
Department
stopped
an
active
shooter.
You
have
some
of
the
best
Personnel
here,
it's
just
a
matter
of
letting
them
know
they're
appreciated
to
keep
them
here.
So
we
bring
in
other
people
that
want
to
work
here
and
no
one
wants
to
go
to
a
place.
E
E
Definitely
goes
both
ways
and
I
see
both
points.
You
know
we're
doing
a
survey
for
the
public.
We
should
also
do
a
survey
of
why
we're
losing
offices
internally
and
and
I'm
more
interested
in
why
there,
the
Lord
will
understand
and
to
keep
the
ones
we
have
here.
Yeah.
E
I
think
every
opportunity
I
get
I'm
recruiting
I
was
recruiting
before
I
got
here
today
on
someone
that
was
leaving
the
department.
I
was
saying
if
I
get
a
job
I
want
you
to
come
ever
since
a
good
place
to
work.
If
I'm
able
to
get
that
job
I
think
you
know,
I
just
read
recently
that
evanston's
giving
or
thinking
about
giving
bonuses
to
get
new
people
in
the
door.
I
think
that's
a
good
thought,
but
again
I
want
to
keep
the
people
we
have
here.
E
D
E
I
think
that's
going
to
be
constant
right.
We
should
consider
having
a
recruitment
team.
You
know
and
put
that
out
there
that
team
is
also
recruiting
or
going
to.
We
have
Northwestern
University.
You
know.
Looking
at
junior
colleges,
it's
at
a
four-year
colleges.
Thinking
about
the
requirements
we
have
set
up
to
get
the
type
of
people
we
want.
E
Maybe
we
need
to
tweak
those
requirements
to
get
the
right
people
in
here
that
have
the
same
core
values
that
we
want
in
this
organization,
but
I
think
that's
going
to
be
constant,
a
full-time
job
to
do,
and
it's
going
to
be
continual
right
right.
A
How
would
you
handle
you
know
a
situation
I'm
sure
you've
been
in
this
situation
many
times
before
in
your
in
your
career?
How
would
you
handle
the
situation
dealing
with
police
officers
with
a
discrepancy
in
their
de-escalation
skills.
E
Well,
training
should
be
constant,
no
matter
what
what
field
is
it
but
address
it?
No
reason
to
hide
from
it.
You
got
to
be
transparent,
open
and
honest
with
it,
but
hold
them
accountable
for
it
too.
If
we've
provided
training
as
an
organization
and
then
they
refuse
to
do
it,
de-escalation
should
be
part
of
any
use
of
force
or
the
values
of
your
policies
right
even
to
the
point
of
sanctity
life.
E
That's
the
utmost
importance,
so
you
want
to
de-escalate
the
situation
to
not
get
to
that,
but
I
would
address
it
and
hold
that
person
accountable
with
the
safety
act.
What
reform
there's
going
to
be
constant
training,
and
we
have
to
take
advantage
of
that
and
officers
need
to
be
willing
to
understand
that
that's
part
of
their
job
and
an
expectation
of
being
a
police
officer,
and
here
in
Evanston.
A
E
I
touched
on
individuals
that
had
the
same
core
values
as
the
as
a
department
as
the
community
right,
the
public
is
the
police,
the
police
is
the
public,
the
the
community
wants
a
say
in
how
they're
police
and
the
people
that
police
them.
What
I
do
want
to
point
out
is
that
we
have
to
be
cautious
to
not
be
so
rushed
to
fill
Staffing
vacancies
that
we
fill
it
with
people
that
don't
have
the
same
core.
D
E
We're
trying
to
have
here
in
Evanston
right
and
like
I
mentioned
I
have
family
here,
I'm
invested
in
this
community.
My
family's
been
here
since
1960.
I'm,
a
fourth
generation
I
I
know
we
talked
about
this
off
you're
born
in
Edmonson
you're,
not
an
evanstonian,
but
it
means
something
to
me
yeah.
So
we
want
the
right.
People,
pleasing
and
I
want
my
family
members
to
be
police
by
the
white
people
yeah,
and
we
we
have
those
right
people.
Here
we
got
to
get
more
people
with
those
same
core
values.
A
A
So
can
you
talk
about?
Well,
you,
you
know,
there's
a
I'll
show
back
to
some
of
these
other
questions,
but
since
you
just
alluded
to
it,
I'm
sure
you're
aware
you
know.
After
many
years
Chicago
approved
a
community
commission
for
Public,
Safety
and
accountability.
A
You
know
that
has
a
wide
array
of
sort
of
powers
and
responsibilities
from
you
know,
policy
to
hiring
and
all
those
sort
of
things.
So
would
you
be
willing
to
work
with
the
civilian
police
oversight
board
as
a
monitoring
method
of
the
department
with
you
know,
maybe
not
exactly
equivalent
but
similar
levels
of
sort
of
responsibility
in
the
in
the
police
department.
E
Definitely
like
I
mentioned
before
the
community
wants,
let's
say
a
voice
and
how
they're
police
right
that
that
oversight
brings
accountability.
Transparency
right!
That's
how
we're
going
to
build
trust
in
what
we're
doing
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
What
I
will
say
is
that
I
think
that
members
of
that
committee
should
either
be
trained
or
have
a
background
in
a
collective
bargain
agreement.
E
Understand
labor
laws,
understand
the
legal
ramifications
of
doing
it,
the
right
day
and
understand
the
criminal
statute,
and
and
if
they
understand
that
they're
training
that
they
have
a
background
for
that
definitely
in
support
of
yeah,
but
I
want
to
see
the
bigger
picture
and
make
sure
that
there's
no
legal
legal
ramifications
for
doing
it.
The
wrong
way.
Yeah
absolutely.
A
E
Think
it's
very
important
right.
We're
talking
about
officer
Wellness,
we're
talking
about
Staffing
and
the
issues
in
morale
that
come
from
it
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
another
tool,
it's
another
tool
in
that
tool
belt
to
assist
our
Personnel.
You
know
I.
Think
right
now,
there's
a
very
good
official
wellness
program
here.
I
would
just
like
to
enhance
it
and
looking
in
my
research
I'd
actually
to
make
family
more
a
part
of
it.
You
know
we
have
officers
that
go
home
to
families
right
when
officers
stress
the
family
stress
right.
E
You
know
I
think
the
family
should
be
included,
yeah
we
but
definitely
chaplain
so
I'm,
very
supportive
of
that
throughout
my
career
in
Lincolnwood,
they've
been
extremely
supportive.
The
rabbi
wolf,
especially
and
in
in
East
Sunday
we're
working
with
Tim,
Perry
and
they've.
Been
he's
been
great,
not
only
internally
but
externally,
in
dealing
with
the
community
during
a
tragic
event.
A
There
absolutely
the
budget
of
the
Evanston
Police
Department
has
almost
quadrupled
in
the
last
20
years,
but
we
also
talked
about
you
know:
there's
a
shortage
of
Staff,
there's
a
shortage
of
resources.
So
how
do
you
balance
building
those
building
that
staff
building
those
resources?
Well,
also
saving
the
taxpayers,
some
money.
E
You're
going
to
get
that
with
Staffing
shortages
right
because
you're
going
to
have
overtime
right
so
with
Eastern
DB
and
smaller,
we've
actually
learned
to
do
more
or
less
you
know
and
and
kind
of
stretch
those
resources
out,
but
I
know
you.
You
definitely
have
to
watch
your
bus,
get
your
budget
and
how
you're
spending
and
and
be
able
to
justify
right
those
expenditures.
E
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
being
prepared
prior
when
you
submit
that
budget
and
then
following
it,
my
experiences
I've
implemented
a
budget
in
East
Dundee.
Now
it's
you
know
three
million,
but
it's
not
a
between
a
40
and
50
billion
dollar.
Well,
but
the
concepts
the
same
and
making
sure
that
we're
physically
sound
right.
A
Do
you
have
any
experience
with
school
resource
officer
programs
and
how
do
you
think
do
you
think
they're
helpful?
How
do
you
think
they're
helpful?
Can
you
just
you
know
kind
of
describe
that
in
your
experience,
sort
of
working
with
teenagers.
E
And
then
you
hear
what
I
like
I
said:
I
had
a
daily
assignment
of
someone
at
the
school,
but
we
had
to
do
a
program
before
I
know.
Edison
has
a
school
resource
program.
I
think
you
got
to
make
sure
you're
putting
the
right
people
into
school.
I
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
where
you're
hiding
Personnel
getting
them
off
the
streets
and
put
them
into
school.
I.
E
Think
it's
very
important,
I
I
know
in
my
research
Everson
had
incident
with
a
fire
found
in
the
school,
so
definitely
I
believe
a
school
resource
officer
is
needed,
but
I
think
it
should
be
more
of
a
positive
engagement
before
you
have
an
issue
of
firearms
located
in
the
school.
It
should
be
that
day-to-day
contact
and
I
would
take
it
a
little
further
to
say
we
can
be
using
that
as
a
recruitment
tool
too.
E
You
know
having
them,
maybe
for
the
professional
Wellness
day
at
the
school,
be
involved
about
the
options
of
being
a
police
officer
in
the
future.
As
a
young
police
officer,
Lincoln
would
I
would
come
back
to
Ms
Caldwell's
health
class
and
during
career
day
to
talk
about
what
it
is
to
be
a
police
officer.
Why
evanstonians
would
be
great
police
officers
and
and
building
that
partnership,
so
I
definitely
believe
and
support
an
officer
being
in
the
school,
but
particularly
the
right
officer.
Yeah.
A
So
you
know
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
people
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this.
You
know
in
some
future
questions
here
tonight,
but
people
have
a
wide
array
of
experiences
in
terms
of
interacting
with
and
engaging
with
police
officers
with
the
police
force
right.
A
There
are
some
in
our
community
who
have
had
generally
positive
interactions
and
there
are
some
who
have
had
less
than
positive
interactions,
but
you
know
I
think
how
do
you
but
there's
certainly
been
a
call
in
the
community
and
I
think
you
know
in
in
in
in
the
vast
majority
of
ways
to
justify
call
to
start
thinking
about
how
we
can
police
differently,
and
so
how
do
you
balance?
You
know,
making
changes
that
you
know
might
be
necessary
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
community
today,
while
preserving
what
maybe
works
and
isn't
broken.
E
I
currently
teach
me
relation
to
the
police
academy
due
to
the
importance
of
it.
I
think
you
as
a
law
enforcement
profession.
We
have
to
own
the
history
of
how
we've
been
used
and
what
we've
done
from
violations
of
civil
rights
to
the
deaths
that
have
occurred.
I
I'm
not
going
to
sit
up
here
and
deny
that
at
all,
and
that's
why
I
teach
but
I
also
think
that
the
profession
is
changing
and
as
a
profession
as
a
police
agency.
We
have
to
be
on
board
to
that
change.
E
We
can't
keep
fighting
it
correct.
What
we're
doing
is
not
working
I
mean
that's
obvious
right
now,
I'm
on
the
committee
of
rethinking
responses
to
Common
calls
for
service
there's
a
lot
of
mental
health
calls
there's
a
lot
of
calls
that
are
nuisances
that
maybe
that
you
know
we're
not
equipped
as
law
enforcement
to
handle
those
costs
but
working
to
see
and
to
maybe
those
non-profit
social
services
or
or
mental
health
specialists.
E
To
respond
to
those
calls
so
I
think
we
have
to
think
outside
the
box
and
I
think
that
the
standard
way
of
operating
is
the
correct
way
about
pretty
and
and
doing
that
jointly
with
the
community
in
that
partnership.
You
know
the
community
may
have
suggestions
of
a
better
way
to
do
it
that
we're
not
doing,
and
we
should
be
able
to
sit
down
and
listen
to
those
suggestions
and
and
think
differently
than
we've
been
thinking.
A
So
you've
talked
a
great
deal
about
community
and
bringing
the
community.
You
know
into
the
work
and
engaging
with
community.
So
can
you
you
know
talk
specifically
about
what
you
think
the
role
of
the
chief.
E
Besides,
the
face
of
the
organization,
as
we
discussed
earlier
is
ensuring
the
mission
of
the
police
department
is
fouled
right,
but
being
out
there
being
being
present
I'm
not
going
to
ask
an
officer.
Do
something
I'm
not
going
to
do
myself
if
I'm
telling
you
I
want
you
to
engage
the
community
and
have
a
positive
partnership,
I'm
going
to
be
doing
the
same
I'm
not
going
to
be
sitting
in
my
office
waiting
for
the
next
email
to
come
in
right.
Tell
me
what
I'm
not
doing
I'm
going
to
get
out
there.
E
If
you
email
me
and
say
this
is
a
complaint,
this
has
happened
in
my
neighborhood.
I
want
to
visually,
see,
what's
happening
in
the
neighborhood
I
want
to
get
out
there
too,
but
I
also
want
to
hold
my
staff
accountable
if
they're
not
doing
that
right.
That's
part
of
their
job
right
right,
that's
the
expectation!
You
know
the
tone
you're
setting
for
that
organization,
but
I
think
it's
it's
up
to
the
chief
to
ensure
that
happens.
A
E
Constant
over
over
communicate,
if
you
have
a
communication
problem,
that's
bigger
than
a
staffing
problem,
I
doubt
what
a
communication
problem
when
I
first
got
to
East
Dundee
due
to
a
chief
and
deputy
chief,
not
be
in
the
building,
and
it
could
be
detrimental
I
mean
that
should
be
constant
right.
You
should
be
having
those
meetings
with
Personnel,
just
like
you
should
have
in
those
meetings
with
the
community.
E
On
my
way
here,
I
was
thinking
about
a
problem-solving
team
right,
we're
talking
about
Partnerships,
we're
not
talking
about
strategies,
communicating
with
an
individual,
an
officer
that
has
a
beat
or
a
specific
Award
right.
Having
that
same
communication
with
people
in
the
community
and
figuring
out,
what's
a
great
way
to
strategized,
to
resolving
the
issue
at
hand.
But
for
me
the
the
communication
is
just
important.
Is
the
transparency
and
doing
it
the
right
way
so
from
email
to
text
I'm,
not
a
good
texter.
So
more
of
a.
E
A
A
See
you've
talked
about
community
policing
and
you
know
I'm
sure,
you're
aware
that
Evanston
has
had
for
many
years
a
community
policing.
You
know
area
functions.
E
A
Community
producing
unit,
and
it
in
recent
sort
of
past
is
sort
of
fall
into
the
background,
a
little
bit
I
think
in
part
because
of
Staffing
and
things
like
that,
but
you
you
certainly
stated
that
as
something
that
you
really
care
deeply
about.
So
how
would
you
Implement
slash
rebuild
it
here
in
Evanston.
E
Well,
let
me
kind
of
go
back
to
what
I
said
and
I
did
panel
interview
where
I
had
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
believe
in
Creative,
policing
I
believe
that
there
doesn't
need
to
be
a
community
policing
unit
I,
believe
every
officer
on
your
staff
should
be
involved
in
community
policing,
making
positive
relationship
I,
don't
think
we
should
have
one
unit
that
does
that,
and
everybody
else
is
kind
of
doing
their
own.
C
E
Policing
should
be
throughout
your
organization.
Everybody
should
be
an
ad.
What
I
would
like
is
like
I
said
earlier,
would
be
a
problem-solving
team
sitting
down
with
a
career
and
coming
up
with
strategies
to
address
what
the
issues
are
and
the
issues
I'm
not
talking
about
City,
why
it
could
be
particular
to
that
board
or
to
that
beat
and
one
issue,
and
one
more
could
be
different
than
the
issue
one
another
award,
but
I
believe
every
officer
should
engage
in
community
I,
engage
in
complete
community
policing
on
my
way
here
yeah.
E
I
think
they're
just
as
important
as
Community
organizations
right
faith-based
organizations,
everybody
it's
it's,
the
community
is
everyone
involved
in
the
community
right
in
Lincoln,
where
I
took
part
on
that
you
know.
During
civil
unrest,
we
were
able
to
protect
a
couple
businesses
in
Lincolnwood
and
it
was
because
we
had
a
relationship
with
them
prior
and
for
me,
people
weren't
there
right,
I,
didn't
want
people
out
of
jobs
and
not
be
able
to
feed
their
families,
but
I
think
that's
constant
too
right.
E
I
stopped
at
a
couple
businesses
on
my
way
in
here
today,
I
still
Network
and
build
those
relationships
that
they
they
were
successful.
For
me,
when
I
worked
in
North
Regional
Major
Crimes
task
force
for
several
years,
you
know
I
think
you
you
had
to
be
very
cautious
to
not
try
to
create
a
partnership.
E
After
something
bad
happens
right,
you
got
to
invest
before
things
occur
before
crimes
occur,
and
you
know
and
build
that
partnership
that
the
community
is
going
to
back
you
when
you're
doing
right
and
I
expect
the
community
to
not
back
us
when
we're
doing
wrong.
But
that's
that's
an
open
type
of
relationship
that
we
need
to
have
with
the
community
right
right.
A
So
you
know
again
kind
of
coming
back
into
some
some
things
that
you
touched
on
about,
and
we
talked
about
about
folks
having
you
know
different
experiences
with
the
police
department,
and
you
know,
unfortunately,
but
honestly,
a
lot
of
that
is
based
on
race,
and
so
you
know
sort
of
there's
there's.
You
know
strong.
There's
data
case
that
the
black
and
brown
evanstonians
are
over
policed.
A
You
know
there
are
folks
who
there's
also
many
stories
of
you
know
personal
stories
of
interactions
where
you
find
like
they're
supposed
to
find
implicit
bias
to
be
a
part
of
their
engagement,
and
you
know,
there's
a
general
mistrust,
particularly
among
our
black
community
and
our
latinx
Hispanic
Community
as
well.
There
are
there's
a
sense
of
mistrust
there
that
needs
to
be
rebuilt
and
so
so
to
just
sort
of
hear
how
you
would
strengthen
those
relationships
specifically
what
you
know,
what
sort
of
tools
and
Trends
would
you
use,
and
what
would
you
do?
E
So
before
George
Floyd
and
back
in
2018,
I
linked
up
with
the
Anti-Defamation
League
to
come
in
and
do
implicit
bias,
training
in
Lincolnwood
and
I
also
invited
a
couple
other
municipalities
to
be
a
part
of
that
training.
What
was
important
to
me
was
to
not
have
law
enforcement.
Do
implicit
bias,
training
for
law
enforcement
right
is
everybody
going
to
work,
but
the
Anti-Defamation
League
who
specialized
in
this
came
in
and
did
that
training
people
have
biases.
E
We
have
to
be
cautious
of
it
and
we
have
to
admit
to
it
and
not
use
that
when
we're
dealing
with
certain
segments
of
certain
communities
and
and
I
understand
that
I
think
that's
a
great
question.
My
family's
deal
with
that
I've
dealt
with
that
and
and
that's
not
right,
but
as
a
leader
I
got
to
hold
people
responsible
when
they
are
doing
that
right.
E
E
Wants
the
same
thing
right:
everybody
wants
their
family
to
grow
or
be
taken
care
of.
You
want
what
you
want
better
for
your
for
your
family
than
you
had
right
right.
So
no
one
wants
anybody
to
be
treated
a
certain
way,
I,
don't
care
if
I'm
in
law
enforcement
or
just
somebody
in
the
streets.
You
know
I
want
my
nieces
and
nephews
to
be
treated
a
certain
way
right
and
not
stop
due
to
who
they
are,
what
they
look.
A
So
moving
from
the
you
know,
the
sort
of
community
community
relations
aspect
of
the
job
to
sort
of
crime
reduction
concerns.
So
just
to
be
frank,
as
we
talked
about
before
and
I'm
sure
you
know
having
family
here
gun,
violence
has
become
a
fact
of
life
for
all
of
us.
A
It's
you
know
hitting
all
all
corners
of
our
of
our
society
now
and
you
know,
we've
also
had
some
very
recent
acute
instances
of
gun
violence
in
our
community,
but
we
know
and
I'm
sure
you
know
and
engaging
with
the
number
of
community
members.
You
have
over
the
years
that
you
know
the
issues
that
create
gun.
Violence
go
back
well
before
the
trigger
is
pulled.
Public.
D
A
A
E
The
police
have
a
big
chunk
of
that
right.
We
because
we
respond
to
those
calls,
but
we
also
have
to
admit
that
there's
issue
with
education
right:
mental
health.
We
need
to
build
those
Partnerships
and
be
a
liaison
to
put
people
with
the
professionals
that
can
help
deal
with
that.
But
it's
a
bigger
issue
than
law
enforcement
as
a
being
in
this
profession
I'll
take
responsibility
for
our
chunking
it,
but
we
we
have
to
understand.
We
can't
do
anything
unless
we
work
together
right
right
and
that's
we're
a
team.
E
You
know
I
said
I
I,
know
I've
said
it
a
hundred
times
Partnerships
tonight,
but
it's
it's
the
truth
to
me.
It's
as
simple
as
that,
but
it's
a
partnership
with
not
only
the
community
but
Mental
Health
Specialists
education
of
our
youth
I
think
abbison
Township
is
the
best
high
school
in
the
sale
of
Illinois.
D
E
We
do
have
to
deal
with
how
our
our
kids
are
being
educated
too
right,
our
family
members
are
being
educated,
so
you
have
to
look
at
all
of
it
as
a
whole
and
and
again
I'll
mention
problem.
Solving
I,
don't
want
to
sit
up
here,
complain
about
something.
I
would
like
to
sit
down
with
people
and
come
up
with
resolutions
and
strategies
to
address
that
issues.
Right,
take
a
positive
approach
and
deal
with
that
in
a
in
a
positive
way.
E
A
Said
I
want
to
be
a
wild
kid.
He
was
in
first
grade,
I
didn't
even
know
he
knew
what
a
wild
kid
was,
but
apparently
that
must
be
part
of
the
first
grade
curriculum
here,
and
so
you
know
you,
you
talked
about
this.
A
E
Going
to
talk
about
over
policing
so,
but
let
me
just
hit
a
point:
real,
quick
we're
going
to
talk
about
communities
of
color,
but
I.
Don't
want
to
forget
about
communities
that
aren't
of
color.
E
E
It's
yes,
when
we
have
intelligence
information
that
comes
in
or
data
driven,
please,
and
it
says
this-
these
crimes
are
occurring
in
this
certain
segment
or
this
certain
Ward
within
the
city.
E
Yes,
offices
should
be
proactive
and
be
visible
in
those
areas
when
we
should
be
making
contact
with
the
community
in
those
areas
to
get
information
to
help
us
right
figure
out
who
the
suspect
is
the
fender
is
in
that
crime
we
shouldn't
be
going
to
those
areas
and
just
stopping
everybody
for
minor
traffic
violation
and
give
them
a
ticket
because
they
happen
to
live
in
that
certain
area
right.
So
now
we're
over
policing
that
area.
E
That's
not
doing
us
any
good
right,
but
that
takes
me
to
another
issue
of
how
are
we
rewarding
our
employees
or
we're
saying
we
should
reward
you
for
your
tickets?
How
many
arrests
you
get,
how
many
investigations
you're
about
involved
in
or
should
we
say
the
you
know
the
the
variables
we
want
to
use
to
evaluate
you?
What
promote
you
should
be
on
those
positive
Community
engagements.
You
know
the
business
contacts
you
had.
So
it's
it's
a
nice
question.
It's
a
bigger
answer
to
it.
D
E
And
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it
and
that
comes
down
to
like
I
said
earlier,
in
changing
the
culture
of
the
organization
and
what
the
core
values
are.
You
know
and
recruiting
the
right
people
that
have
those
values
right:
promoting
the
right
people,
assignments
of
those
people
that
are
doing
what
we
want
and
building
that
partnership
with
the
community.
That's
how
it
works.
D
E
D
A
Yeah
yeah,
absolutely
it's
great
I
want
to
skip
over
this
question.
The
community
section
I
apologize
but
I,
don't
know
how
much
I
mean
I
know
you.
You
know
have
Roots
here
and
and
all
of
that,
but
I,
don't
know
how
much
you've
sort
of
thought
about
sort
of
Ward
by
Ward
issues.
But
we
did
have
a
you
know.
A
E
Gun
violence,
all
violence,
no
matter
who
the
victims
are
is
is
it's
not
okay
right
one
victim
is,
is
too
many
victims.
You
know,
that's
where
that
partnership
comes
in
right.
That's
where
you
go
into
a
community
and
the
community
tells
you
you
know,
and
let's
be
honest
right:
it
is
a
small
minority
of
people
that
are
committing
these
crimes
that
are
that
are
have
these
illegal
weapons
and
we
had
to
get
down
to
addressing
and
dealing
with
those
individuals,
not
everybody
within
that
board
of
that
Community.
E
So
you
want
to
work
with
your
federal
Partners
right,
the
ATF,
the
FBI.
You
know
sometimes
they're
repeat
offenders,
you
know,
and
and
and
I'm
all
for
alternatives
to
arrest
and
all
that.
But,
let's
be
honest,
some
people
need
to
go
to
jail.
Some
people
need
to
not
be
in
the
community
where
they're
causing
Havoc
you
know,
and
and
we
we
have
to
realize
that
there's
victims
there's
victims,
families
that
they
are
deserve
to
be
in
a
community
that
they
feel
safe
and
that
there
is
no
violence.
E
You
know
that's
what
we
want
to
get
to
not
not
having
any
violence.
So
not
particularly
to
the
second
ward
or
the
fifth
War,
where.
D
A
Yeah
yeah,
absolutely
so,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
you
know,
challenges
with
gun,
violence
and,
and
things
like
that
in
the
community,
where
also
you
know
folks
have
felt
that
there's
been
a
rash
of
you
know
what
folks
might
call
petty
crime.
So
you
know
talk
about.
You
know:
bike
thefts.
The
big
one
I
said
earlier,
see
it
on
that
next
door
website.
All
the
time
is
the
catalytic
converter,
theft
right
and
an
apartment
in
storage
areas
robbed
and
things
like
that.
E
Come
the
same
way,
any
crime
I
would
deal
right
right.
You
want
to
investigate
it.
You
want
to
have
that
beat
officer,
hopefully
have
information,
pretending
who
our
suspect
may
be
work
with.
Other
municipalities,
I
have
experience
working
with
other
municipalities
from
working
on
ortaf
and
then
12
other.
We
used
to
be
13
with
12
other
municipalities.
E
You
you
have
victims
of
those
crimes.
No
one
wants
to
walk
out
and
know
that
their
catalytic
converters
are
going
off
their
vehicle
yeah.
You
know
you
still
have
to
follow
through
and
follow
up
on
those
investigations,
but
for
someone
dialing
9-1-1
and
asking
for
Hope
or
saying
they
have
a
crime,
every
everything's
important
to
them
right.
D
E
Shouldn't
be
ignored
based
off
of
because
it
wasn't
a
violent
crime.
You
know,
yes,
we're
going
to
put
all
our
resources
towards
those
violent
crimes
and
and
try
to
address
those
issues,
but
we
also
want
to
have
resources
for
everybody
else.
Like
I,
said
around
the
city
of
Edison
that
feel
like
they're,
a
victim
of
any
crime.
A
Yeah,
okay,
another
you
know
area
that
folks
have
you
know
shared
some
concerns
about
is
just
gang
problems
with
certain
you
know,
and
and
this
one
was
specifically
supported
at
you-
know
a
question
from
from
South
Evanston.
But
how
do
you
you
know,
sort
of
balance
that
you
know
with
the
you
know
increasing
police
presence
as
needed,
but
also
you
know
confronting
that
issue
in
the
right
way.
E
You
know
when
I
was
here.
Prior,
we
talked
about
restorative
justice.
I
was
interested
to
know
what
the
restorative
justice
program
was
with
the
Evanston
Police
Department
and
then
I
found
out,
I
was
being
handled
and
with
the
parks
and
rec,
but
working
jointly
with
others.
I
think
you
got
to
look
at
working
with
the
schools
too
and
trying
to
get
to
our
youth
before
they
make
that
turn
to
go
and
go
to
a
game.
E
You
know
I'm
fortunate
to
be
a
a
deputy
chief
of
police
and
and
have
an
opportunity,
but
sometimes
people
don't
have
I
have
family
members
that
didn't
have
the
same
opportunity.
I
have
and-
and-
and
you
got
to
be
honest
about
that.
But
what
what
can
we
do
to
change
that
kid
or
stop
that
kid
from
taking
that?
E
So
we
can
go
to
well
alternative
ways
of
arrest
right
and
not
putting
that
that
juvenile
in
the
system
right
giving
them
a
chance
and
working
with
the
school
with
the
school
resource
officer
you
know-
and
hopefully
they
see
something
prior
where
maybe
there
can
be
some
type
of
intervention
where
we're
dealing
with
our
youth
I
was
fortunate
here
in
Evans
in
the
the
play
fam.
You
know,
you
know
what
options
do
we
have
available
for
our
youth,
but
we
got
to
direct
them
to
those
options.
Yeah
shout.
A
E
Situation,
I
could
be
demographic
Democratic
and
we
can
have
a
conversation.
I'll
take
input
from
staff
and
personnel
and
there's
times
that
I
got
to
be
an
autocratic
leader
and
and
it's
time
to
get
down
to
business
right
I
got
to
make
a
decision,
don't
have
a
problem
at
all,
making
decisions
and
a
night
a
majority
of
time
is
the
right
decision,
but
I
think
it
depends
on
the
situation.
E
I've
had
a
chance
in
going
through
this
process
to
reflect
with
staff
and
how
they
view
me
as
a
leader
as
a
leader
and
it's
more
of
a
teammate
that
I
don't
care
myself
like
I'm
better
than
anybody
and
they
feel
like
they.
They
got
a
part
of
the
buy-in
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
that
was
that's
something
I
would
continue.
E
If,
given
the
opportunity
here
in
Evanston
is
I,
don't
carry
myself
better
than
anybody
and
I
think
when
you
lead
that
way,
people
want
to
follow
you,
people
feel
like
their
input
counts.
You
know.
So.
If
I
expect
that
from
the
community
to
have
input
in
the
organization,
I
expect
to
do
the
same
for
the
people
that
work
for
me
and
with
me
because
I
look
at
it
as
a
team.
E
Yeah,
when
I,
you
know,
I've
been
fortunate.
I've
had
I've
had
great
mentors
over
the
years
and
Lincolnwood
now
in
East
Dundee,
but
when
I
like
I,
said
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
when
I
got
to
East
Dundee,
there
wasn't
a
chief
or
a
deputy
chief,
so
I
had
to
step
up
really
quick
and
be
a
leader
right.
I
had
some
great
sergeants
that
had
been
running
the
day-to-day
operations
and
it
was
just
more
fine-tuning
and
communicating
with
them
and
leading
them.
E
What
I
did
find
is
that
with
communication,
anybody
can
be
a
good
communicator.
You
got
to
be
a
good
listener
right
and
a
lot
of
times
I
might
have
been
outvoted
in
a.
E
They
always
felt
comfortable
being
honest
and
hopeful,
because
I
was
always
willing
to
have
that
conversation.
You
know
I'm
not
going
to
agree
with
everybody
and
we
can
agree
to
disagree.
I
will
promise
you
that
I
will
sit
down
with
everybody
and
have
that
conversation
and
I
think
everybody
deserves
that
right.
You
know
in
law
enforcement
we
just
can't
listen
to
the
people
that
support
the
police
right.
E
We
got
to
listen
to
everybody,
even
the
ones
that
don't
sort
support
the
police
and
then
understand
why
they
don't
support
the
police,
and
that's
where
that
history
is
so
important
of
understanding
of
how
certain
people
have
been
treated.
A
A
Yeah,
the
hypothetical
situation
I
have
no
power
in
this
decision:
I'm
just
a
guy
I'm,
just
the
guy
sitting
in
the
chair
right
now,
but
you
know
sort
of
if
you're
you
know
you're
in
that
hypothetical
moment
and
you're
reflecting
back.
What
do
you
think
will
be
the
things
that
kept
you
up
at
night?
And
what
do
you
think?
What
would
you
like
your
legacy
to
be.
E
I
think
the
same
things
that
keep
me
up
at
night
right
now,
sanctity
of
Life,
losing
someone,
I
love
or
losing
a
police
officer.
That's
always
going
to
keep
me
up
at
night,
I'm
human
yeah,
all
right,
I
care,
I'm,
an
emotional
leader,
I
care.
What
was
the
second
part
of
that?
One
saw
you
hit.
A
E
That
I
helped
bridge
this
Gap
this
partnership.
This
is
an
opportunity
of
a
lifetime
to
come
home
back
to
Evanston
and
be
that
person
to
bring
the
community
and
the
police
department
better
I.
Don't
think
I'll
ever
have
a
career
opportunity
like
this
right
where
I
was
born
and
raised
where
I
care
about
the
place.
I
love
that
my
family's
been
here
since
1916.
I'm,
a
fifth
four
baby,
you
know,
since
you
are
making
me
the
chief
of
police
I,
can.
D
E
Always
been
honest,
I've
always
been
open
and
that
I
haven't
changed
yeah.
You
know
over
23
years
in
law
enforcement,
I'm
the
same
Shanita
Stewart
or
if
you're
from
Edmondson
twin
I'm,
the
same
twin
I
was
before
I
was
in
law
enforcement
and
I
had
the
same
character.
E
My
Integrity
is
going
to
be
intact
and
will
always
be
intact.
I'm
always
going
to
do
what's
right,
I'm
always
going
to
have
high
moral
standards,
and
that's
just
not
because
of
law
enforcement.
That's
because
I'm,
a
steward
and
I'm
my
mother's
child
yeah.
A
Yeah,
that's
great,
would
you
talk
about
your
relationship?
You
know
relationship
with
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
Police
unions.
You
know
what
is
your
opinion
on
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
and
and
how
would
you
balance
standing
up
to
the
police,
Union
and
promoting
accountability
with
building
that
relationship.
E
I
have
a
lot
of
experience.
I
know
a
sergeant
right
now
is
part
of
the
ue's,
probably
watching.
So
a
lot
of
good
experience
with
the
Union
no
different
from
Lincolnwood
East
Dundee
actually
has
the
sergeants
in
the
union
and
Patrol
officers
and
they're,
both
in
the
same
Union
and
when
I
got
in
last
year.
We
were
going
through
negotiation,
so
I
had
to
learn
real
quickly,
but
what
I
did
in
East
Dundee
is
the
same
thing.
E
I
didn't
link
with
I'd
like
to
meet
said
building
that
relationship
prior
to
negotiations
is
so
important
right.
So
having
quarterly
meetings
and
saying,
is
there
anything
that
you
think
we're
violating
the
collective
bargain
agreement
that
we're
not
we're
not
doing
the
right
thing
building
that
relationship?
So
when
we
got
to
negotiation
more
than
half
of
the
things
we
negotiated,
we
had
previously
discussed.
E
I
know
I
mentioned
it
earlier,
but
it's
nice
to
get
a
bonus
for
people
that
come
to
Edison,
but
you
have
people
here
right
now
in
Evanston
that
have
been
loyal
to
your
organization.
Union
members
are
going
to
want
that
same
bonus,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
say,
I'm,
going
to
give
it
to
the
new
guy,
but
not
take
care
of
our
loyal
staff.
We
have
here
I,
try
to
be
very,
very
open
and
honest
in
dealing
with
the
Union
right.
E
The
union
wants
to
get
a
lot,
and
sometimes
the
Villager
City
don't
want
to
give
up
too
much.
It's
not
personal
right.
It's
it's
part
of
it.
There's
unions
all
over
the
place,
but
I've
always
had
a
good
working
relationship
and
hopefully
I'm
the
chief
of
police
I
want
to
have
a
a
great
work
relationship
with
the
Union
who's
coming
up
on
contracts.
You
know
at
the
end
and
both
the
patrol
officers
and
sergeants
yeah.
A
So
last
couple
of
areas
of
of
of
questioning
our
first
sort
of
sort
of
one
way
related
to
sort
of
alternative
policing
strategies.
So
you
know:
we've
had
a
couple
of
reports:
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
them,
there's
the
Evanston
fights
for
black
lives
report
and
two
years
ago,
Evanston
youth
prepared
a
report
on
alternatives
to
policing.
So
just
love
to
hear
you
know
yours,
your
your
theories,
your
thoughts,
your
feelings
on
alternative
policing,
efforts,
alternatives
to
policing.
A
E
E
Right
now,
I'm
on
a
committee
with
rethinking
the
responses
to
common
cause
for
service
right
in
January
of
2023
we're
going
to
have
Cessna
right,
Community,
Emergency,
Services
support
act,
dealing
with
mental
health
responses,
so
this
is
already
it's
already
taken
off
right
and
the
committee
I'm
working
with
right
now
to
the
Illinois
Association
Chiefs
of
police,
is
getting
in
front
of
the
hopefully
come
up
with
a
a
Model
A
protocol
by
the
end
of
the
year,
I'm
very
open
to
that
you,
you
have
to
be
open
to
the
profession.
E
E
A
Yeah
and
the
last
one
I
know
you,
you
know
you
you
referenced
earlier,
you
referenced
George
Floyd
earlier
and
you
know:
we've
certainly
all
seen
videos
of
police
shooting
at
suspects
who
are
running
away
from
officers
when
maybe
guns
aren't
involved
when
there's
no
threat
or
danger,
maybe
other
than
a
suspect
escaping
arrest.
In
that
moment,
so
you
know,
do
you
believe
that's
an
appropriate
response
and
if
so,
why
and
if
not,
what
what
should
happen?
I.
E
Think
it's
a
based
off
of
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
that
brings
me
to
a
point
and
I'm
glad
you
hit
on
that
question.
Whoever
submitted
that
question
in
reviewing
I
was
able
to
get
the
Evanston
Lexapro
policy
and
use
of
force
I
think
it
was
posted
on
one
of
the
community
organizations
website
and
I'm
just
going
to
mention.
I
think
that
should
just
be
out
there
right
with
the
state
statutes
out
there
for
murder.
E
We
should
have
a
policy
out
there
that
people
should
have
access
to
to
understand
what
we
should
and
should
not
do,
but
in
that
and
reviewing
it
I
liked
the
use
of
force
policy
having
that
I
just
think
it
should
be
tweaked,
I,
didn't
see
anything
and
and
looking
at
it
regarding
putting
a
firearm
at
an
individual,
and
why
that's
important
to
me
is
that
there
has
been
some
unintentional
shootings
and
deaths
of
people
due
to
having
a
fire
on
point
out
of
them.
E
So
that
was
something
I
would
like
to
address
if
given
the
opportunity
in
Chief
and
looking
at
the
all
the
policies
for
the
Evanston
Police
Department.
But
yes,
that
that's
an
issue
you
bring
up,
George
Floyd,
that's
murder,
I
mean,
let's
just
be
honest
and
call
it
what
it
is
right.
We
can't
avoid
that
and
we
can't
have
that
happening
right.
E
Yes,
there
should
be
a
duty
to
intervene.
Yes,
we
should
de-escalate
situations.
Yes,
sanctity
of
I
should
be
at
the
utmost
of
everything
we
do
in
law
enforcement.
The
importance
of
mention
in
those
is
that
those
have
to
be
in
our
policies.
Those
have
to
be
what
we
hold
people
accountable
when
they
don't
do
it.
So,
besides
officers
that
are
being
charged
criminally,
we
have
to
have
a
protocol
and
a
policy
to
say
this
is
how
we
do
it.
You
can't
do
it
that
way.
E
You
know
I
mentioned
before
you
know
we
had
the
10
shared
principles.
You
know
through
the
NAACP
and
Illinois
Association.
Please,
we've
put
it
in
your
in
your
lobby
and
say
you
know.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
treat
everybody
fair
and
respectful
right.
We're
not
going
to
discriminate.
You
know,
but
where
is
that
in
your
policy
to
hold
your
officer
accountable
when
they're
not
doing
it
right?
You
know
it's
just
fluff.
E
If
it's
in
your
lobby
and
you've
got
a
picture
saying
I
just
signed
off
on
these
10
share
principles,
you
need
to
have
it
as
the
as
a
core
fabric
of
your
organization
for
it
to
work.
You
know,
like
I,
said
earlier,
rewarding
Personnel
for
doing
the
right
thing
is
rewarding
them
for
that
partnership.
Right.
That's
what
you
want
your
agency
to
really
embody
community
policing.
You
have
to
embody
procedural
Justice,
yeah
yeah,
which
entails
giving
the
community
a
voice
being
a
respectful,
fair
and
trustworthy.
That
goes
to
your
transparency,
yeah.
A
E
Like
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
this
is
the
opportunity
of
a
lifetime
so
to
come
here
and
be
a
part
of
this
change.
I
consider
myself
a
change
agent
and
have
an
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
this
city,
team,
I'm,
going
to
say
City
team,
because
it's
not
the
police
department
right.
If
we
really
want
to
get
down
to
dealing
with
Community
concerns
and
issues,
we
got
to
be
one
whole
city,
team
and
and
I
believe
that
I'm
the
right
fit
I
believe
that
I
am
personally
invested
in
this
community.
E
I
have
family
in
this
community.
I
have
the
experience,
the
education,
the
training
that
is
going
to
be
required
and
and
I
am
not
naive.
This
will
be
some
long
days.
This
will
be
some
12-hour
days
right
because
our
officers
are
on
12-hour
shifts
and
we
have
community
members
that
I
would
have
to
meet
with
you
know,
and
we
have
a
city
manager.
That's
going
to
give
me
my.
E
You
know
my
orders
too,
of
what
needs
to
be
addressed
and
that
can
be
a
long
six
months,
but
I
will
promise
every
every
person
of
this
community
that
only
not
only
lives
here.
You
know
we
got
a
population
almost
78
000,
but
we
have
people
that
come
here
and
visit
here
or
drive
through
here.
That
I
will
work
hard
and
do
the
very
best
I
can
to
be
a
leader
of
this
organization
and
I.
Think.
That's
all
anybody
can
ask
me
but
I'm
telling
you
I'm
willing
to
do
it.
Yeah.
A
It
offers
answers
and
we'd
like
to
thank
everyone.
Who's
joined
us
at
any
point
tonight.
Everyone
who
stuck
with
us
through
the
whole
going
on
three
hours
now
you
are
your
stamina,
is
to
be
applauded,
but
thank
you
once
again
to
all
our
community
members
who
participated,
who
submitted
questions
and.