►
From YouTube: POLICING IN EVANSTON Q&A: POLICE BUDGET
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
Today's
topic
is
going
to
be
on
the
Evanston
Police
Department
budget,
and
then
next
week
we
will
be
having
a
conversation
about
the
collaboration
and
coordination
that
exists
between
Evanston
police
department
in
Northwest
Rose
police
department,
as
well
as
our
schools
district
to
a2
in
district
65
in
the
resource
officers,
which
is
the
topic
that
many
folks
want
to
discuss,
and
that
will
be
next
Monday
on
July
20th
and
then
on
Monday
July
27th.
We
will
have
a
discussion
about
use
of
force
and
body
cameras
here
in
Evanston
and
then
on
August
3rd.
A
We
will
have
a
discussion
about
the
complaint
process
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
last
session,
I'm
taking
suggestions
from
people-
if
you
have
other
topics
that
you
want
to
discuss,
I
will
set
up
additional
forums
for
those.
So
one
topic
that
I've
been
thinking
about,
we
haven't
put
it
on
the
agenda
specifically,
yet
is
the
type
of
complaints
that
the
police
department
responds
to
I.
A
Think
people
really
want
to
have
an
understanding
of
that
chief
cook,
because
you
guys
respond
to
thousands
of
complaints
a
year,
and
if
you
do
it's
good
and
I
know,
there's
also
a
conversation
that
folks
want
to
have
about
the
militarization
of
police
in
terms
of
the
equipment
that
you
use
the
uniforms
in
all
of
that.
So
that
may
be
another
one
as
well,
but
today's
topic
again
is
on
the
budget.
A
There
is
a
movement
going
on
all
around
the
country
in
here
in
Evanston,
as
well
called
defund
the
police
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
familiar
with
this
movement
defund,
the
police
is
about
reducing
the
amount
of
money
we
spend
on
policing
in
America
and
taking
that
money
and
reallocating
it
into
other
areas
that
will
further
support.
You
know
the
black
communities,
the
brown
communities
and
those
that
are
over
policed
because
of
crime
in
those
areas,
and
and
how
do
we
lift
people
up
and
in
an
Evanston
we're
pretty
committed
to
trying
to
do
that?
A
There's,
never
enough
resources,
but
the
efforts
we're
trying
to
make
in
terms
of
investments,
housing
and
affordable
housing
here
into
Workforce
Development
into
other
areas
like
that
through
the
reparations
fund
is
something
we'll
continue
to
be
committed
to.
But
there
is
this
this
idea
that
we
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
police
and
how
do
we
allocate
that
elsewhere?
So
what
I
would
like
to
do?
Just
on
that
topic
is
we
have
with
us
three
guests
today.
One
is
Andrew
Christo's
who's,
a
sociology
professor
at
Northwestern
University.
A
So
thanks
for
joining
us,
professor,
we
have
chief
cook
and
then
we
have
lugar
de
San.
Liu
is
the
budget
director
for
the
Evanston
Police
Department,
so
I
really
want
to
see
us
get
into
the
budget.
In
this
conversation,
we've
got
lots
of
questions
from
residents
that
have
already
come
in.
This
is
being
shown,
live
on
channel
16
here
in
Evanston,
the
local
TV
station,
as
well
as
on
Facebook
lives.
So
if
you're
on
Facebook
live
and
you
have
additional
questions,
we
have
city
staff
monitoring
that
they
are
sending
me.
A
Those
questions
in
the
chat
function
or,
if
you
just
have
a
real
strong
opinion,
put
that
in
there
in
terms
of
where
you
think
we
could
reduce
expenditures
as
we
go
through
the
project
with
the
police,
where
you
think
we
could
reduce
expenditures.
I
will
tell
you
this
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
pandemic.
As
everyone
knows,
our
city's
budget
is
short
right
now
for
2020
at
least
12
million
supporting
the
last
projection
by
the
city
manager.
A
I
I
don't
mean
to
be
flipped
with
saying
defund
me,
because
that's
not
what
again
people
are
talking
about
when
they
talk
about
defund,
the
police,
but
I
do
want
everyone
to
understand.
We
have
significant
deficits
here,
because
families
are
suffering,
businesses
are
suffering
and,
as
a
result,
governments
are
suffering
and
we
generate
revenue
a
lot
of
revenue
off
of
a
vibrancy
of
a
city
and
the
businesses
that
are
in
those
cities,
and
that
is
suffering
on
so
first,
let
me
go
to
you,
professor,
and
just
ask
if
you
would.
B
The
funding
of
course
goes
to.
We
are
how
police
function
and
budgets
have
just
grown.
Essentially,
since
the
nineteen
sixties,
where
police
were
you,
know,
still
again
working
on
containing
or
controlling
the
neighborhoods
and
population
to
now
providing
services
that
range
from
mental
health
to
social
work,
to
dealing
with
all
these
things
and
budgets
have
just
expanded.
It
was
really
in
this
moment
in
the
sixties,
with
police
starting
to
become
president
schools,
but
they
had
juvenile
units
and
gang
units
and
other
sorts
of
units
and
really
the
the
question
around
the
funding.
B
A
lot
of
it
really
starts
with
this
question,
which
is
a
very
sociological
question.
You
know
what
do
we
want
the
police
to
be
in
contemporary
society?
How
do
we
deal
with
that
sort
of
harms
and
wrong
and
what
sorts
of
things
might
be
better
served
outside
of
police
function
and
then
briefly,
there
are
sorts
of
different
police
and
safety
initiatives
around
the
country
in
the
globe
that
have
been
trying.
A
Thank
you,
I
think,
that's
a
great
foundation
and
I
think
two
key
concepts.
One
D
funding
has
been
around
for
a
long
time,
even
though
for
many
of
us,
it's
a
new
term
that
that
we're
hearing
into
crime
has
been
going
down
and
yet
police
budgets
have
been
going
up
and
that's
something
that
I
noticed
when
I
became
the
mayor
and
I
would
be
in
these
meetings
with
the
city
manager
and
I
was
always
scratching
my
head
about
that.
A
But,
as
you
say,
we've
asked
of
the
police
more
and
more
responsibilities
that
we've
given
them,
but
we've
also
got
a
lot
of
other
items
that
are
coming
into
the
police
budget.
So
with
that
I
had
asked
the
police
to
also
present
some
materials.
So
as
we're
talking
about
numbers
today,
you
could
actually
see
those
numbers
so
I
think
Patrick,
Dignan
who's,
helping
behind
the
scenes
facilitate
this
will
be,
will
be
able
to
actually
put
some
numbers
up
here
on
the
screen.
A
So
you
at
home
can
actually
see
the
numbers
but
I'd
like
to
ask
Gary
well
assuming
luetgert
us
to
go
through
the
budget
and
let's
just
talk
about
the
budget.
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
emails,
Lou
and
people
will
say,
hey
mayor,
it's
outrageous
that
we
spend
54
million
dollars
a
year
on
policing
here
in
Evanston,
and
we
have
lots
of
different
costs.
A
So
I'd
like
you
to
talk
about
what
are
the
operating
cost
annual
operating
costs
for
our
police
and
then
what
are
the
other
costs
that
we
have,
which
are
really
pension,
related
costs
for
officers
who
were
retired
or
others
that
may
not
be
retired
but
we're
putting
significant
amounts
of
money
into
the
house?
I'll?
Let
you
take
it
away
here
there
Lou!
Okay,
thank
you,
mayor,
angry.
Yes,
the
police
department.
C
Has
put
together
a
quick
presentation
on
the
police
department
budget
and
it
should
be
on
your
screens
right
now
and
it's
the
distribution
of
police
department
expenditures
by
category
and
we
boil
it
down
to
a
department
level
categorization
of
the
various
cost
we've
concluded
that
we've
included
2019
budget
and
actuals
for
historical
context.
Hey.
A
Second,
arrow
I'll,
pull
it
up
in
just
one
second
Thank
you
Thank,
You
Patrick,
so
the
voice.
You
all
just
heard
that
you
don't
see
on
your
screen
is
Patrick
Gagnon.
Who
is
our
public
information
officer
here
with
the
city?
He's
really
I
think
does
it
he
and
his
team
to
a
terrific
job,
getting
information
out
to
the
public.
So
now
we
now
we've
got
it
up
on
the
screen
and
then
I'll.
Let
me
take
it
away.
Okay,.
C
Everybody
is
that
basically
94%
of
the
police
department's
budget
is
personnel
related
and
first
one
being
just
salaries
which
constitutes
nearly
50%.
Then
we
have
pension
costs,
which
is
27
percent
at
approximately
11
million
dollars.
The
benefits
is
for
quite
six
million
dollars,
and
three
million
of
that
is
health
insurance.
There
are
payouts
and
then
overtime
and
that
counts
tonight
constitute
94
percent
of
the
police
department's
budget.
What.
C
Yes,
payouts
are
a
variety
of
required
payouts,
meaning
pads
the
members
of
force
that
are
required
by
unit
contracts
or
by
law,
and
they
could
be
three
main
categories:
they're,
sick
leave,
pay
outs,
vacation
pay,
outs
and
comp
time,
payoffs
and
majority
of
those
are
required
by
union
contract.
So
that
does.
C
C
C
Of
evidence
and
that
crime
lab
is
approximate
Banyan
is
approximately
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Now
we
have
next
as
animal
shelter
grants
at
$100,000,
and
that
is
part
of
the
police
department
budget,
because
Animal
Control
is
part
of
these
partner
countries.
Next
expenses
largest
expenses,
janitorial
supplies
and
approximately
sixty
thousand
dollars,
and
that's
what
we
make
maintenance
of
the
Police
Department
building
and
then
last.
We
have
all
other
services
and
supplies
at
basically
half
a
million
dollars
and.
C
The
police
needs
to
keep
the
organization
running
and
then
last
is
the
major
category
is
fleet
maintenance
repair
at
$900,000,
which
is
basically
all
the
vehicles?
The
police
needs
to
do
is
count,
so
that
is
a
quick,
summon
sation
of
the
expenditures
that
our
department
and
the
total
expenditures
are
41.1
million
dollars.
All.
A
Right
so,
let's
keep
on
this
page.
First
second-
and
you
know,
chief
I
noticed
that
that
budget
right
for
2020
is
six
percent
above
the
budget
or
2019.
If
I
didn't
like
I,
did
my
math
right,
it
was
a
6%
increase,
it's
pretty
pretty
pretty
significant
and
where
we're
seeing
that,
so,
if
you're
watching
you
know
from
home,
you
know,
there's
a
big
jump
in
salaries.
Alright,
thats
related
to
union
contracts
and
agreements
that
are
given
in
terms
of
people
making
more
there's.
You
know
significant,
almost
$800,000
uptick
in
pension
and
pension
costs.
A
A
Could
you
talk
to
and
I
know
the
Chiefs
been
with
us
now
for
18
months
as
our
police
chief?
But
can
you
talk
to
us
about
the
growing
budgets
in
policing?
You
were
the
chief
in
Glenwood
before
you
were
here
that
increase
that
we're
seeing
in
budgeting
as
crime
is
going
down.
As
the
professor
mentioned.
Yes,.
D
Well,
a
lot
of
the
increase
comes
through
salary
increases
which
are
negotiated
through
union
negotiation,
so
this
past
year
the
officers
were
given
a
zero
percent
raise
they
agreed
to
that,
but
they
were
in
exchange
for
that
they
were
human
I.
Think
seven,
additional
comp
dates
that
they
could
utilize
to
be
off
carryover
and
eventually
get
paid
out
it.
Now
with
what
happens
with
that
type
of
benefit,
is
it
increases
over
time?
D
D
You
know
if
you
get
a
pension
after
20
years
at
50
percent,
when
you,
when
you
reach
the
age
of
55,
you
get,
you
would
get
a
15%
increase
in
your
pencil
between
50
and
55
is
no
increase,
but
when
you
make
55
years
of
age,
you
get
a
15%
increase,
and
then
each
year
after
that,
it's
a
3%
raise
until
you
pass
away.
So
it's
a
lifetime
pension.
That
is
a
constitutional
issue
that
has
been
in
effect
for
a
number
of
years.
D
The
money
that
is
reflected
in
a
police
budget,
11
million
dollars
for
pension
payouts
is
money
that
the
city
has
to
pay
in
order
to
keep
the
pension
fund
solvent.
Now
the
police
officers
they're
9%
of
their
salary,
is
taken
out
of
a
check
every
day
or
every
pay
period
for
their
share
of
pinchy
card,
but
over
the
years
old
I
can
go
back.
I'd
go
back
40
years
now,
35
years
ago,
the
government
was
supposed
to
pay
down
a
pinchy
cost
to
become
zero
and
in
what
they
hold.
That
never
happened.
D
Emerson
has
a
lot
of
trucks.
We
have
a
lot
of
the
Ford
Explorer,
fully
fully
equipped
you
looking
at
probably
a
$45,000
vehicle.
That's
what
computer
radar
and
things
of
that
nature.
There
are
install
lights
installed
in
a
vehicle,
so
I've
been
looking
at
an
alternative
vehicle.
That's
half
the
cost
and
I
ordered
five
fellows,
and
my
goal
is
to
decrease
the
number
of
police
vehicles.
D
We
have
the
other
thing
that
I
did
out
in
when
I
was
in
Glenwood,
as
a
police
chief
was
look
at
to
purchase
the
joint
vehicle
purchase
of
vehicles
with
another
municipality.
If
you
come
past,
the
police
department
at
night
you'll
see
20
trucks
lined
out
in
the
back
just
sitting
there
waiting
for
the
next
day.
You
know
if
we
can
cut
costs
in
terms
of
what
we
purchased
by
being
a
partnership
with
another
one
Nyssa
palette.
Ii
I,
think
that
is
a
is
a
great
way
to
go.
D
A
I
think,
thank
you,
chief
and
I
know
Cathy
who's
watching
appreciates
that,
because
she
had
some
questions
about
the
fleet,
maintenance
and
replacement
in
that
price.
For
that
cost
gilt
going
up.
She
also
had
the
question
about
you
know
is
technology,
even
though
it's
a
much
smaller
expense.
Here
again,
everybody
should,
you
know,
take
know,
you
know.
Ninety-Four
percent
of
the
expenses
are
personnel
related
expenses,
so
this
is
very
labor-intensive.
A
The
work
of
the
police
department,
us
when
we
talk
about
defunding
the
police,
we're
talking
all
that
you'd
have
to
be
talking
about
reducing
the
number
of
you
know:
police
officers
that
are
there
if
you
want
to
bring
down
the
budget
of
the
police
and-
and
we
can
talk
we'll
talk
about
that-
and
but
the
Kathy
also
asked
the
question
about
his
technology,
also
increasing
that
the
cost
of
policing
and
I
can
tell
you
at
least
from
my
time
on
the
City
Council
over
the
last
three
years.
A
You
know
one
of
the
big
new
technology
expenses,
but
it's
been
something
that
everybody
here
in
the
community
wanted,
including
our
Police
Department
is
body,
worn
cameras,
and
so
that
you
know,
runs
a
little
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
part
of
that
expense
is
the
storage
of
all
of
that
video
that
costs
a
lot
of
money
to
store
that
so
Lou.
Can
you
talk
a
little
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
whether
this
is
the
complete
picture
of
the
police
or
whether
there's
other
expenses
anywhere
out
there.
A
C
Point
two
million
dollars
of
pension
cost,
so
this
is
part
of
our
complex
areas
of
government
accounting
and
try
to
explain
it
and
keep
those
the
simplest
terms
possible.
So
every
year
the
annual
required
contribution
is
calculated
by
the
actuarial,
and
that
is
part
of
the
annual
tax
levy
and
and
when
the
money
is
collected,
the
property
tax
or
the
Police
and
Fire
pension.
It
is
credited
to
the
general
fund
and
and
noted
in
the
police
department
project
there.
C
It
is
eleven
point,
two
million
dollars
that
money
is
then
transferred
to
the
least
pension,
these
pension
fund,
so
it
is
also
listed
as
Spence
on
on
the
arts.
As
you
said,
P&L
expenditures.
At
that
point,
the
cost
of
the
city
is
over.
Once
the
money
is
paid
to
the
pension
fund,
it
is
no
longer
an
issue
for
the
the
city
of
Evanston.
The
police
pension
fund
then
disputes
that
month
that
those
funds
now
the
police
pension
fund
for
transparency,
is
part
of
the
city
budget.
C
However,
the
police
pension
fund
is
not
owned
by
the
city
is
overseen
by
the
police
pension
board.
It
is
administered
as
a
truss
privacy.
However,
it
is
not
owned
by
the
city
is
actually
owned
by
the
current
former
members.
Sworn
members
of
the
police,
art
so
I
know
a
lot
of
confusion
there
about.
What
exactly
is
the
cost?
The
safe?
The
cost
of
the
police
department
to
the
city
is
41
point:
1
million
dollars.
A
Do
you
know
where
so
a
lot
of
aldermen
and
myself
and
others
have
gotten
the
email
from
both
the
standard
email
and
it
cites
54
million
dollars
for
Evanston
police
and
obviously
we're
looking
at?
You
know
North
spreadsheet.
This
is
all
in
public
documents
and
everything
else,
and
it's
clear
that
the
budget
for
2020
is
41
point
1
million
dollars.
D
D
C
56
million
dollars
coming
when,
when
a
front
part
of
the
budget,
where
it
shows
a
chart
and
I,
think
it's
page
35
of
the
2020
budget
that
shows
a
56
million
dollars
and
that
is
including
the
police
department.
He
9
1
1
5
and
the
police
pension.
Now
so
two
of
those
things
I
should
not
be
included
in
the
city's
expenditure
for
2024
the
police
department.
C
He
mentioned
before
the
14
million,
at
least
on
these
times,
but
it's
not
sitting
expensive,
it's
expensive
these
pension
fund
and
then
the
e-911
fund
of
the
five
million
dollars
like
that.
That
is
really
cost
outside
the
police
department
or
emergency
service
emergency.
In
a
boy,
the
police
department
does
have
a
line
item
in
its
budget
or
its
chunk.
Its
portion
of
emergency
services,
it
also
has
a
y9
of
the
non-emergency
service,
are
the
service
day.
So,
yes,
I
know
it's
confusing
as
a
practice.
At
the
beginning.
A
Yeah.
Thank
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
loose.
So
if
we
are
looking
at
and
people
have
an
interest
in
reducing
the
police
budget,
the
real
area
where
you're
gonna
reduce
it
is
on
salaries,
salaries,
drive.
Then
pensions
benefits,
payouts
and
overtime.
Correct.
Yes,
sir
okay,
and
so
we've
got
twenty
point:
two
million
dollars
in
salaries
for
2024
our
Police
Department.
Let's
go
on
I
think
people
would
really
appreciate
understanding
the
distribution
of
these
expenses
by
operating
unit.
Is
that
something
you
and
the
chief
could
cover
next
I.
A
C
We
have
about
20
different
areas
of
operation,
they've
been
the
police
department.
I'm
gonna
go
through
them
very
briefly,
questions,
please!
Let
me
know
the
first
one
is
place
administration
and-
and
that
is
basically
the
chief
in
Department
wide
expenses,
so
you
see
it
for
2020
it
basically
thirty
thirty
percent
thirty,
three
percent
of
the
budget,
it
thirteen
million
dollars
well,
that
is
including
the
pension
expense,
the
transfer
to
the
pension
fund,
it's
covered,
and
it's
also
including
the
payouts
and
overtime
because
those
are
distributed.
C
The
park
apply
so
there's
a
election
expenses
there
that
it
cover
the
whole
department,
not
just
its
single
possible.
So
next
we
have
patrol
operation,
which
is
the
main
area,
the
police
department's
operations.
And
that's
you
know
the
cops
on
beats
the
shifts,
and
that
is
32
percent
of
the
police
department
budget.
That's.
A
Gonna,
just
stop
you
there
for
a
second
blue,
and
it's
is
really
for
the
for
the
chief
and
you
know
here
we
are
we're
looking
at
administration,
most
of
us
think
of
administration
being
management
supervisors.
All
of
that,
and
then
we've
got
patrol
operations
and
both
of
these
in
the
budget
run
about
the
same
you
have
thirty,
two
percent
of
the
budget
is
for
administration
and
thirty.
One
percent
of
the
budget
is
for
officers
that
are
actually
on
the
ground.
I
think
that
would
be
a
question
of
its
person.
A
A
A
Think
that
would
be
good
to
be
good
to
to
know
it.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
do
that,
so
you
can
come
back
to
folks
and
just
say:
hey
backing
out
the
pension
costs
out
of
2205
police
administration.
Really,
is
you
know
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
or
a
million
dollars,
or
something
like
that?
And
then
you
look
at
that
and
say:
okay!
Well,
the
administration.
If
I
just
set
pensions
aside,
it's
10%
of
the
overall
salary
budget
of
29
right.
C
Yeah,
that
is
a
you
know
that
that
one
captures
0.05
captures
all
of
the
department
wide
expense
that
I've
distributed
to
individual
business.
So
that
way
it
that
splices,
you
know
a
larger
chunk
of
the
five.
Then
they,
the
whole
operation
is
that's.
Where
we
blow
up.
All
of
the
you
know.
Are
my
expenses
it'd,
be
a
considerable
accounting
challenge
to
try
and
distribute
it
out
between
all
the
business
units
on
stage.
A
All
right
what
I
think
then
I
mean
so
this
is
just
a
summary,
and
people
can
see
percentage-wise
of
the
money.
Can
you
go
to
the
I?
Think
you've
got
another
slide
that
actually
shows
the
number
of
positions
that
you
have
in
each
of
these
areas
and
I
think
that
would
that
may
be
good.
I
mean
again
so
people
that
are
watching
we've
got
twenty
million
dollars
that
are
in
salaries
a
year
and
as
you're
walking
through
the
number
of
positions,
then
that
we
have
in
each
of
these
different
areas.
A
D
Right
now
we're
not
fully
staffed,
but
staffing
is
a
matter
of
what
you
would
expect
with
service
delivery,
so
staffing
having
a
proper
amount
of
staffing
to
deliver
services
that
a
city
expect.
You
know
where
this
investigative
services,
where
this
problem-solving
team,
what
is
victim
advocates?
You
know
when
you
look
at
the
services
that
we
that
we
serve
we're
not
fully
stat
and
right
now
we
currently
have
13
positions
that
aren't
spec
and
other
the
recommendations
of
Hillyard
heights.
D
You
know
the
city
paid
for
a
study
to
be
done
by
the
Hilliard
Heights
burn
and
they
looked
at
how
efficient
we
were
in
managing
the
department
in
terms
of
span
of
control
and
activities
who
knows
different
units
and
we
had
when
I
came
here.
We
have
position,
for
instance,
an
executive
officer
position.
There
reported
to
the
chief
with
a
command
level
position,
but
he
didn't
have
any
employees.
So
you
know
having
a
person
making
100
$50,000
with
zero
span
of
control
is
inefficient.
D
A
D
Flattened
the
department,
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
that
we
have
doing
the
work
and
we
did
that
to
be
efficient
in
other
areas:
other
Department,
for
instance,
when
we
had
a
commander,
retire
whoo
out
of
patrol
a
move
that
executive
all
of
us
are
down
to
a
Patrol,
give
him
a
very
disparate
control
and
be
more
in
line
with
the
recommendations.
Brotherhood
unite
survey
that
they
did.
D
We've
also
had
hiring
freeze
where
we
got
approved
to
hire
eight
police
officers,
but
due
to
budget
constraints
and
in
the
fovea
era
we
have
put
those
positions
on
hold.
I
have
reorganized
the
police
department,
we
experimented
with
a
to
deputy
chief
system.
Where
was
achieved
and
two
deputy
cheese,
six
commanders
and
20
sergeants.
D
D
Ellison
had
more
murders
than
we
do
today.
Thank
God.
We
don't
have
any
as
of
now
so
I
know
that
that
structure
could
work,
but
it
was
a
lot.
I
was
a
work.
Well
that
may
have
been
a
little
bit
too
heavy
for
a
one
deputy
chief,
so
we
had
one
deputy
chief
working
the
operations
and
the
of
them
are
working
in
support.
Sir,
and
we
tried
there
for
a
couple
of
months
and
we
decided
to
go
back
to
the
three
deputy
chief
positions
that
we
had
prior
to
poking.
D
A
So
lucky
looking
at
the
thank
you
for
that
chief
and
letting
people
know
sort
of
where
we
are
now
and
and
so
I
think
the
key
takeaway
from
that
is
well.
We
looked
at
the
summary
of
costs
a
second
ago
and
we
had
41
point
1
million
dollars
for
a
budget
for
2020.
We
will
see
the
budget
actually
come
in
less
than
forty
one
point
one.
A
Unless
something
terrible
happens
this
year
in
terms
of
emergencies
and
we
need
the
police
and
there
you
have
a
lot
of
overtime
and
things
like
that
will
come
in
less
because
they
were
given
certain
positions
to
fill.
But
the
chief
and
the
interim
city
manager
have
made
adjustments
and
not
built
right.
A
D
A
Right
I
want
to
get
to
those
teams
and
I
want
to
get
to
those
teams
in
a
second.
So
we
all
understand
that
all
right
and
then
just
looking
at
because
right
now,
people
have
on
their
screen
the
position
report
as
it's
July,
1st
2020
there's
a
hundred
and
sixty
five
excuse
me
budgeted
and
then
yeah
there's
a
hundred
and
fifty
ok
FTEs
right
now,
15
vacancies
as
that,
as
the
chief
just
mentioned,
that
right
now,
where
they
are
not
rushing
out
to
fill
those
vacancies
and
they're,
making
adjustments
and
modifications.
A
So
a
hundred
and
fifty
and
out
of
those
hundred
and
fifty
we
have
ten
that
are
supervisors,
the
chief,
the
deputy
chief,
the
commander,
and
then
you
have
the
sergeants
and
the
officers
and
sergeants
are
out
in
the
field
correct
chief,
yes,
sir,
so
so
we'll
include
those
as
folks
that
are
out
in
the
in
the
community.
You've
got
a
hundred
and
forty
total
folks,
but
again
or
officers.
I
should
say
that
are
they're
out
there
again
at
any
given
time.
The
chief
is
saying
that
you
have
17
that
are
patrolling.
A
Okay
and
if
we
scroll
down
a
little
Lou
I
just
want
folks
to
understand
now
we
have
all
the
civilians.
So
these
are
not
sworn
officers,
but
we
have
another
52
folks
are
52
employees
that
work
for
the
police
department
that
are
in
these
other
positions.
And
if
you
just
look
through
those
really
quickly,
you
see
three
one,
one
supervisor
our
other
three
one,
one
operators
also
on
this
list,
Lu,
yes,.
C
A
1616
9-1-1
offers
so
though,
that's
the
bulk
that
you're
seeing
of
the
52
and
then
you
have
a
again
an
animal
warden.
We
have
one
animal
warden
for
the
city
of
Evanston
and
then
you
know
a
crime
analyst.
You
have
a
Records
Manager.
So
could
you
just
talk
I
think,
there's
a
couple
records
folks
there.
Could
you
just
talk
about
how
we
need
so
many
people
dealing
with
records
and
how
do
they?
How
are
they
used?
Well.
D
We
have
a
records
coordinator
that
manages
the
records
department
and
do
we
have
all
clerks.
They
work
in
records,
processing,
reviewing
police
reports,
sending
police
reports
electronically
back
to
the
officers
for
read
for
correction.
So
that's
an
ongoing
thing.
They
standing
police
actual
documents
into
a
program
called
Laserfiche
which
stores
the
historical
data
for
an
indefinite
period
attack.
So
the
the
records
Bureau
is
marching
functioning
in
terms
of
service,
even
what
they
think
of
great
citizens.
That
may
need
some
type
of
fingerprinting
for
employment.
D
They
fingerprint
city
employees
their
fingerprint
people
that
maybe
want
to
get
a
liquor
license.
They
do
all
of
those
type
of
things.
They
also
manage
our
UCR,
which
is
our
Uniform
Crime
reporting
system,
whereas
our
data
is
sent
to
the
state
who
in
turn
says
they
too
have
beyond.
So
it's
a
it's
more
than
just
records
that
they
do.
They
also
responsible
for
managing
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act
paperwork
that
comes
through
here
else.
Okay,.
A
Thank
You
chief,
let's
go
I,
want
everyone
to
understand
the
different
types
of
units
that
we
have,
and
so
could
you
go
to
that
next
slide
that
you
have,
that
has
a
different
type
of
units
and
real
quickly.
Chief,
if
you
could
just
describe
those
real,
quick,
real
quickly,
I'm,
particularly
interested
in
the
ones
where
you
have
sworn
officers
that
are
that
are
working
and
I
want
the
public
to
understand
what
they're
doing
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
professor
Popa
Christos.
A
If
he'll,
then
you
know
after
having
heard
all
this
and
seeing
the
different
kind
of
units
that
you
have
just
share
any
thoughts
he
has
from
you
know,
working
and
researching
others
around
the
country
that
he
could
shed
some
light
on
just
in
terms
of
Evanston
like
yeah.
This
is
pretty
standard
or
there's
some
things
that
we're
doing
here
that
maybe
other
communities
aren't.
If
there's
others
that
are,
you
know
already
working
on
in
sort
of
claiming
the
mantle
of
we've
defunded,
the
police,
you
know
what
activities
and
changes
that
they
made
in
there.
D
Sir,
all
right
going
down
a
patrol
operations
go
about
a
uniformed
patrol
men
that
patrol
the
city
on
a
24-hour
basis.
365
days
a
year,
we
have
a
new
deputy
chief,
fair
Melissa
secluding,
just
recently
promoted,
and
she
has
four
commanders
under
her
Authority
and
12-sided
and
67
police
officers
that
patrol
the
ship
that
various
ship
did
you
go
into
criminal
investigations.
You
have
a
deputy
chief
there
that
is
deputy
chief
Aretha
bonds.
D
She
has
a
commander
Nair
commander
of
Brian
Henry,
he's
responsible
for
overall
management
of
the
detective
bureau.
They
do
follow-up
investigations
on
a
number
of
things:
domestic
violence,
sex
assault,
general
investigations.
If
someone
stole
them
from
you,
they
are
also
very
active.
We
have
a
very
active
cold-case
unit
born
in
that
in
that,
in
a
unit
where
every
detective
is
assigned
a
poll
case
and
they're
responsible
for
reporting
back
on
those
fault
faces
on
quarterly
basis,
and
that
is
facilitated
through
our
records
management
system
that
they
utilize.
D
The
next
one
is
police
records
which
we've
just
talked
about.
They
serve
all
of
these
units.
They
all
support
unit
they
they
they
function
to
serve
the
rest
of
the
units
that
are
police
with
their
various
services.
That
I've
spoke
about,
freeze,
not
only
records
management,
but
for
you,
as
fingerprinting
UCR
and
things
that
any
communication,
which
is
another
support
service
function,
those
auto
dispatchers
that
dispatch
the
police
poles
in
a
Police
Department.
They
also
directly
in
take
the
9-1-1
calls.
D
The
city
was
a
little
bit
behind
in
terms
of
technology,
but
the
city
gave
us
two:
1.5
million
dollars
was
the
purchase
to
Apex
radios,
which
we
are
in
a
currently
implementing
right
now.
So
that
will
put
us
in
connection
with
all
of
our
neighbors
pokey
will
met
one
girl.
They
call
will
be
able
to
to
communicate
with
all
of
these
different
entities
for
help,
if
needed,
the
Service
Desk,
which
is
another
support
function.
It
is
a
primary
function.
That
is
where
the
culture
of
the
police
department
is
defined.
D
In
my
opinion,
you
know
when
you
call
in
if
you
get
a
bad
flavor
from
one
of
these
people.
You
know
you
can
have
a
bad
taste
in
your
mouth,
about
the
police
department
in
general.
So
we
do
a
lot
of
auditing
of
intake
of
calls
just
to
see
that
they're
not
keeping
people
all
whole
unnecessarily
long
and
that
they
are
around
people
to
the
services
in
a
police
department
that
they
need
and
they
have
really
been
really
good
and
what
they
do.
I'm
proud
of
the
customer
service
that
goes
on
that
their
service.
D
That
again
the
same
thing
with
the
three
one.
One
set:
that's
a
support
function.
They
intake
calls
from
all
over
the
world
with
people
want
to
know
about
other
state
for
one
to
reach
someone
within
a
city
or
a
service,
and
that's
critical
that
you
be
efficient
and
provide
that
service
as
quickly
as
possible,
not
having
people
killed
on
and
so
forth.
The
next
one
is
all
the
so
professional
standards.
This
is
the
complaint
department.
This
is
where
we
have
internal
complaints
about
officer
conduct.
D
We
also
manage
external
complaints
of
a
citizen,
want
to
call
in
and
complain.
As
you
know,
Mir
we
are
in
the
process
of
implementing
the
citizen
police
review
committee.
That
is
a
private
entity
that
will
be
looking
at
how
we
operate
in
terms
of
disposition.
With
cases
looking
at
how
we
can
do
things
better
and
so
forth,
that
is
a
critical
function.
We
are
in
the
era
of
police
oversight,
welcome
police
oversight
and
I
think
that
the
program
that
you
started
it's
going
to
be
really
well,
then
you
get
into
the
office
of
administration.
D
D
He
ensures
that
officers
received
the
training
that
is
mandated
by
the
state
every
year
they
come
up
with
new
new
training
that
is
mandated.
We
also
look
at
career
development
through
northwestern
Elliston
has
always
been
big
on
career
development,
with
educating
people
in
a
supervisory
roles
through
the
Center
for
Public
Safety.
Last
year
we
sent
six
of
seven
supervisory
personnel
to
Africa.
Man
over
at
Northwestern
will
also
have
sent
officers
through
the
first
school
at
Harvard
University.
D
That
saw
the
senior
management
institute
for
police,
and
these
classes
view
these
also
this
fields
that
are
critical
for
problem-solving,
looking
at
Epico
dilemmas
and
being
efficient
and
thinking
and
moving
a
police
department,
or
next
we
have
the
neighborhood
enforcement
team,
that
is
our
gang
drug
and
Narcotics
Unit
their
chest
with
the
suppression
of
narcotics
and
drug
activity
within
the
city.
They
work
in
coordination
with
federal
and
state
agencies.
D
We
also
have
a
good
working
relationship
with
our
Davos
scope
and
a
24
district,
so
that
is
a
really
critical
part
of
what's
going
on
today,
violence
oppression.
You
know
we
were
in
Congress
with
the
24th
district
when
they
have
a
killing
on
this
side
of
the
border
that
affects
us
also.
So
we
try
to
work
in
concert
with
them
and
making
sure
that
people
are
safe,
leaving
the
train
station
and
so
forth.
D
Next
is
our
traffic
Bureau
evident
has
an
award-winning
traffic
Bureau,
they
win
the
state
award
every
year,
either
first
a
second
place
and
in
how
they
patrol
duis
traffic
crashing.
We
have
five
certified
accident
reconstructionist.
That
is
a
very
rigorous
certification
to
get.
Our
officers
are
in
the
forefront
of
traffic
accident
investigation
on
the
traffic
of
made
made
the
Accident
Investigation
Unit,
which
is
a
multi-jurisdictional
traffic
investigation
unit.
The
next
unit
that
I
really
take
pride
in
is
the
problem-solving
team
that
is
our
community
policing
aspect.
D
This
is
what
we
do,
and
this
is
how
we're
also
working
on
a
Youth,
Advisory
Committee
community
policing
unit.
That
unit
will
take
youth
from
throughout
ever
stem
and
will
work
with
them
to
get
their
perspective
on
what
they
think
policing
show
up
like.
We
have
some
very
intelligent
youth
over
at
Emma's
to
high
school
and
I.
Think
it's
important
that
we
utilize
you
find
out
what
their
opinions
are.
D
I
try
to
work
within
the
property
Bureau
is
that
a
unit
that
takes
all
the
recovered
property,
whether
it's
narcotics
found
property,
money
seized
and
so
forth.
There
is
possible
also
for
tracking
evidence
for
the
crime
lab
it's
very
fortunate
to
have
a
private
crime
lab.
We
pay
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
that,
but
we
get
analysis
of
evidence
DNA
back
within
a
couple
of
months,
whereas
in
a
state
crime
lab
that
are
taking
almost
a
year,
so
that's
a
big
plus
for
Evanston.
The
animal
ward
is
another
unit
that
we
really
need.
D
They
do
great
work
in
this
town
or
recovering
animals
that
have
been
fueled,
housing,
animals
that
are
straight
and
that's
the
concert
with
Wilmette.
We
also
do
the
animal
control
services
for
the
city
of
Wilmette,
and
that
type
of
partnership
is
what
I
want
to
build
in
more
areas
within
the
police
department
in
order
to
be
more
cost
efficient.
D
A
Thank
you,
chief
I
appreciate
it
I
think
it's
important
for
everybody
to
understand
all
of
the
different
units
that
the
police
department
has
again.
Some
of
these
are
resident
facing,
like
our
patrol
operations,
a
traffic
Bureau,
a
problem
solve
a
problem,
solving
team,
our
service
desk,
and
then
some
of
them
are
internal
which
are
critical
to
the
operations.
Like
our
records
police
records
group
criminal
investigation,
people
may
not
see
because
they're
sort
of
working
behind
the
scenes
and
investigating
crimes
and
then
the
property
Bureau
and
others.
We
did
have
a
question
from
Claudine
and
Alexandra.
A
D
Evanston
Police
Department
was
the
pioneer
in
social
services
in
Illinois
under
Chief
William
Logan.
He
developed
a
community
outreach
not
only
for
victims
of
domestic
violence,
but
also
for
trouble
youth
other
than
juvenile
field,
and
it
was,
we
were
actually
doing
what
is
known
as
peat
circle
before
it
was
called
pizza,
giving
with
the
parent
getting
with
the
kid
and
the
victim
and
trying
to
resolve
situations
and
I
left
for
eight
years
and
came
back
and
now
the
victim
advocates
are
working
out
of
the
health
department,
but
they're
housed
here
in
the
police
department.
D
So
we
still
have
a
good
working
relationship
with
the
advocates.
I
prefer
the
advocates
to
be
in
a
police
department,
because
they
right
here
to
deal
with
the
domestic
violence
they're
right
here
to
take
women
and
children
in
need
orders
of
protection
up.
They
do
our
depth
notifications,
you
know,
and
we've
had
a
number
of
those
under
the
Col
Viet,
and
these
these
ladies,
do
a
great
job,
they're
professional
social
workers.
We
have
all
of
the
certifications.
A
You
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So,
right
now
we
have
how
many
total
I'll
treat
we
have
to
see
who
advocates
and
just
so
everybody,
that's
watching.
You
didn't
see
them
in
their
budget,
because
they're
funded
out
of
the
Health
Department
budget,
because
that's
where
they
were
that's
where
they
removed
it.
One
time
they
were
in
the
police
department
that
they
worked
very
closely,
obviously
did
the
police.
B
Thanks
so
I'm
gonna
talk
really
brief
about
two
things:
one
an
easy
thing:
that's
not
so
easy
and
then
the
second
which
I
think
is
a
way
to
summarize
what
the
real
sort
of
bob
soul-searching
moment
will
have
to
be
for
the
city
of
Evanston.
On
the
former
of
the
easy
thing,
that's
not
so
easy
part
of
it
is
figuring
out
which
of
these
sorts
of
things
that
you've
gone
through
within
the
budget.
You
know,
may
be
better
place
elsewhere
or
overlap.
B
B
Chicago
is
about
180
officers
per
resident,
Boston
is
about
255,
but
ultimately
that
question.
But
how
many
officers
we
have
per
capita
is
what
will
drive
that
3
%
with
the
big
Asterix
around
commitments
made
to
retirement
pensions,
unions
and
so
on?
But
that's
actually
the
tough
thing
that
has
to
be
dealt
with
to
the
extent
you
want
to
move
the
budget
more
than
that
other
six
percent
and
I
think
one
other
place
to
start
with.
B
There
are
new
initiatives
around
neighborhood
and
community
policing,
all
of
which
you
know
again
having
been
in
some
of
these
rooms
with
the
chief,
knowing
that
those
are
on
on
the
radar,
if
you
will
and
thinking
about
how
maybe
some
of
those
can
leverage
or
offset
with
traditionally
assigned
to
patrol
function,
but
really
it
that's,
where
I
think
any
defunds
conversation
will
have
to
come
down
to
personnel
and
how
many
police
we
want
and
what
we
want.
Those
police
to
do.
I
think
is
really
the
questions
and
that's
what
you
have
to
answer.
B
B
That's
a
really
hard
question
and
for
the
Chiefs
point
to
you
know
what
was
what
was
it
like
when
crime
was
higher
people,
look
at
a
violent
crime
or
other
types
of
crime
as
well,
but
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
moment
that
we
have
to
come
to
really
have
a
conversation
around
without
that
the
94
percent
of
the
budget
that
goes
to
personnel
is
going
to
be
hard
to
move.
No.
A
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
concisely,
getting
getting
at
those
two
points,
I'm
curious
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
what's
your
community
standard
of
how
many
officers
do
you
want
per
capita
and
you
ran
through
some
some
good
stats?
Just
now,
have
you
seen
any
communities
use
that
to
somehow
drive
their
decision-making
on
on
how
they
want
to
help
a
large
or
small
police
force
they
want
so.
B
I
want
to
point
some
of
those
figures.
I
just
gave
you
by
the
way,
are
on
a
new
police
new
website
by
the
Vera
Institute
of
Justice
called
what
policing
costs
and
you
can
see
most
of
many
big
cities
across
the
country
and
you
know
I
haven't
even
got
74,000,
so
you
know
we're
a
lot
smaller
than
some
of
these
places.
B
I
think
people
are
starting
to
have
that
conversation
and
they're,
starting
to
also
understand
that
even
with
an
Evanston
both
historically,
you
know,
our
neighborhoods
are
different
in
terms
of
where
we
police
and
how
we
police
and
it's
by
design
long
design
going
back
decades
and
the
general
generation
from
400
years.
Actually
so
the
question,
then,
is
you
know
how
do
we
do
that
at
this
moment
we're
having
these
conversations
long,
preperations
habits?
B
Then
it's
happening
in
schools
so
that
similar
parallel
conversation
happening
in
our
neighborhood
in
Evanston,
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
where
we're
going
to
go.
But
to
answer
your
question
mayor
its
where,
where
cities
are
at
right
now
and
and
by
the
way
you
know
you
know,
Chicago
is
gonna,
have
a
billion
dollar
deficit
cities
across
the
country
that
have
spent
on
COBIT
have
to
readjust
and
realign
and
I
think
I
think
everyone's
having
this
conversation.
But
that's
that's.
The
only
way.
B
B
Are
you
know
one
of
the
things
that's
very
clear
on
the
research?
Even
around
you
know
violent
crime
and
gun
violence?
Is
you
can
lower
crime
rates
by
making
fewer
arrests
right?
So
it's
not
that
you
need
to
expand
capacities,
but
that
might
mean
investigation
would
look
different
or
outreach.
Efforts
would
look
different,
and
so
there
are
some
best
practices
again,
some
of
which
the
chief
mentioned,
which
are
worth
considering
and
seeing
how
they
might
offset
other
surface
offending
Thanks.
A
Thank
You,
professor
I,
think
that
we've
got
lots
of
questions
and
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
people's
times,
because
we've
spoken
for
an
hour
already
I
am
going
to
set
up
another
session
in
my
police
series
for
us
too.
Now
that
we've
got
a
baseline
on
on
the
Evanston
budget
to
really
drive
into
some
of
the
questions
that
I
wasn't
able
to
get
to
today.
A
That
Brian
asked:
when
does
the
budget
go
to
the
council
for
review
and
approval?
It's
a
great
it's
a
great
question.
The
timing
of
all
this
actually
for
this
kind
of
community
conversation
about
policing
is
really
good
that
we're
having
it
right
now
and
during
during
the
summer.
We'll
continue
to
have
it,
because
it's
in
September
that
the
city
manager
will
roll
out
a
budget
for
the
2021
period,
and
then
we
will
go
through
a
six
to
eight
week
process
of
community
meetings
and
city
council
discussions
on
the
on
those
pleasures.
A
A
We
clearly
this
year
are
going
to
take
a
deep
look
at
our
police
budget
and
and
want
to
make
again
smart,
sensible
decisions
that
represent
the
community
standards
that
we
have
here
in
Evanston
and
still
make
sure
that
people
in
our
community
are
safe.
It's
very
important
in
terms
of
our
fire
department
and
our
Police
Department
that
they
are,
you
know,
funded
in
a
way
that
makes
sure
that
safety
is.
Is
there
for
all
of
us
here
in
Evanston?
A
So
that's
so
so
that
Brian
is,
is
how
we'll
do
the
budget
we'll
get
a
draft
budget
healthy,
September,
and
then
they
start
to
have
City
Council
meetings.
That's
an
opportunity
for
the
public
as
well
to
come
to
those
meetings
and
speak
during
public
comment
about
any
thoughts
and
suggestions
that
they
have
I
did
have
a
question
from
Karen
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
this
chief
real
quick.
She
asked
what
is
the
annual
turnover
of
the
Evanston
Police
Department
officers.
A
D
You
know
the
city
allocated
nine
hundred
dollars
for
a
number
of
years
well
over
time,
but
the
actual
overtime
budget
was
1.5
million.
So
in
order
to
cut
that
what
idea
were
if
we
had
units
working
detectives,
gangs,
drugs,
juvenile
officers,
working
overtime,
chained
down
and
patrolled,
those
officers
would
come
down
in
uniform
and
work
patrol.
For
that
day
last
year
we
were
able
to
save
a
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollar.
D
By
doing
that,
so
we
came
in
under
the
1.5
million
that
they
had
been
an
average
over
the
last
three
or
four
years
down
to
one
point:
four
million,
so
looking
at
isn't
anything
to
get
rid
of
the
time.
You
just
say:
hey
no
overtime
and
I'll
do
it.
But
you
know
it's
what
people
expect
is
what
services
a
lot
of
entities,
the
school
districts,
other
other
city
services
driver
over
time
training.
D
C
Important
point
is
that
these
50
percent
of
our
motor
times
40:19
is
paid
by
other
organizations,
particularly
Northwestern
University,
the
CTA.
So
we
considerable
efforts
to
make
sure
that
they're
built
and
financed
received
for
all
their
time
provided
to
our
cluster
CTA,
the
theaters.
When
we
have
officers
on
those
details,
those
organizations
are
paying
for
their
time.
Yeah.
A
I
appreciate
you
mentioned
that
mentioning
that
loop,
because
I
get
that
question
and
you
are
old
and
get
my
question.
So
we
look
to
those
outside
organization
to
pay,
whether
it's
Northwestern
or
others,
real
wit,
because
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
people
that
ask
questions.
I.
Think
many
of
these
we
got
answered,
but
some
that
we're
not
Abigail
had
asked
about
the
militarization
of
police.
We're
going
to
talk
about
that
in
a
different
series.
First,
give
me
a
different
session
in
our
series
of
policing.
A
About
reducing
the
size
of
the
police
force,
and
all
of
that
that
will
be
a
conversation
that
the
elected
officials
here
in
town
and
other
people
here
in
town
are
having.
As
the
chief
spoke
today,
we
have
a
lot
of
and
made
the
decision
of
a
lot
of
unfilled
positions
that
were
budgeted
in
2020
have-nots
that
have
not
been
filled
again.
Part
of
that
is
really
to
address
the
deficit
that
we
have
as
a
result
of
a
pandemic.
We
talked
about
what
defunding
the
police
means.
A
A
Yeah
and
I
think
that
I
think
I
think
we've
covered
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
the
folks
had
I
know
we
didn't
cover
them
all
like
I
said
this
is
a
series
of
conversations.
I
will
add
additional
topics
to
this,
or,
if
you
have
any,
please
go
ahead
and
just
put
it
into
the
Facebook
feed,
that's
being
monitored
by
the
city
or
you
can
email
me
directly.
A
In
that
instance,
I
appreciate
appreciate
that
I
also
appreciate
Patrick
Eggman
and
the
indistinct
of
Steel
who
are
behind
the
scenes,
but
help
us
put
this
on
for
the
community.
So
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
The
next
policing
discussion
will
be
next
Monday
July
20th
at
12
o'clock,
and
that
one
will
be
on
the
coordination
and
collaboration
that
goes
on
between
the
police
department,
our
schools,
district,
202
and
65,
as
well
as
Northwestern
University,
so
until
then
be
well
everyone.
Thank
you
for
tuning
in.