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A
Welcome
everyone:
this
is
mayor,
steve
hagerty.
You
are
joining
our
last
in
a
series
of
discussions
about
policing
in
evanston.
I'm
really
excited
about
today's
panel
that
we
have
together
and
it
involves
three
black
youth
here
in
evanston
that
have
grown
up
here
in
evanston
one's
a
young
adult,
that's
dwane,
greenwell
one
is
ian
beatty
who
is
now
at
eths,
although
I
guess
e-learning
so
great
to
have
you
in
and
then
trey
wright
who's,
also
at
eths
and
there's
a
rising
junior
there.
A
I'm
sorry
we're
in
the
midst
of
the
pandemic
and
you
all
aren't
getting
the
typical
experience,
you'd
be
getting
in
high
school
right
now
or
in
college
right
now,
but
I'm
really
pleased
that
you're
taking
some
time
to
be
with
us
all.
I
want
to
have
an
honest
conversation
about
you,
know,
being
young
and
black
and
living
in
evanston
and
living
in
america
at
this
time,
with
your
experiences
with
the
police
and
what
it's
like
to
be.
You
know
a
black
young,
adult
or.
B
A
In
that
experience,
whether
it's
a
you
know
been
a
good
experience,
bad
experience
or
just
you
know,
a
relatively
different
experience
right
from
a
young.
You
know
white,
youth
or
young
adult
or
even
an
older
white
person
like
me
or
older
black
person,
potentially,
so
I
think
we're
in
for
a
good
conversation.
A
A
Let's
just
start
with
that,
because
you
and
I-
and
you
gave
me
and
he's
able
to
say
steve,
I'm
at
this
age.
This
is
how
many
interactions
I've
had
and
all
that
I
think
that
would
be
great
for
the
viewers
and
just
give
us
give
the
viewers
a
little
background
of
where
you
are
right
now
and-
and
you
know,
you're
in
your
background,
a
little.
B
Okay,
so
I'm
from
evanston
illinois,
I
mean
I've
grown
up
there.
My
whole
life,
a
mother
and
father
david
dale
greenwell,
I
think
growing
up
in
evanston,
was
a
very
unique
experience.
I
wouldn't
trade
it
for
the
world.
I
liked
my
experience
growing
up
there.
I
think
that
the
schools
are
great.
Eths,
really
prepared
me
for
my
college
and
academic
career,
which
now
I'm
in
philadelphia,
and
I
go
to
temple
university,
I'm
a
senior
so
about
to
wrap
up
last
year
home
stretch,
so
I'm
excited
about
that
and
yeah.
B
So
I
think
my
experience
with
police
in
evanston
has
been
mostly
negative
and
unfortunately,
I'm
not
happy
to
say
that,
because
I
wish
the
interactions
with
police
and
specifically
young
black
males
would
be
better,
but
I
think
that's
just
not
the
true
reality.
So,
of
course,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
know
about
me
getting
racially
profiled,
falsely
arrested
in
middle
school.
B
It
was
kind
of
a
bigger
case
that
people
knew
about,
especially
because
my
parents
sued
the
city
over
this.
So
I'll.
Just
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
that
story
and
kind
of
clear
the
air
on
that.
I
know-
maybe
it
was
you
know,
circulated
around
a
couple
articles.
People
talked
to
me
asked
me
about
it,
but
you
know
I'll
give
you
a
quick
summary
of
the
story,
so
I
think
it
was
when
I
was
about
in
seventh
grade.
B
B
I
ended
up
dropping
my
wallet
when
I
got
dropped
off
along
oakton.
I
think
it
was
around
like
oakton
and
I
want
to
say
yeah,
oakton
and
maine.
I
believe
so.
I
got
dropped
off
around
opening
maine,
some
of
my
friends
and
crazy
enough.
We
realized
we
left
our
shopping
bags
on
the
bus.
Isn't
that
crazy?
B
So
we
like
ran
after,
like
oh,
my
god,
like
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like
we
left
a
shopping
bag
on
the
bus
like
literally
out
of
a
movie
and
during
that
process
I
dropped
a
bunch
of
things
out
of
my
bag
and
they
kind
of
scattered
along
oakton
in
the
grass,
and
I
couldn't
find
any
of
those
things
so
the
next
day.
I
want
to
go
back
and
try
to
find
my
stuff
right.
So
I
asked
one
of
my
friends
at
the
time.
B
Roman
good
friend
of
mine
still
helped
me
look
for
stuff.
We
go
over
to
oakton,
we
look
for
a
couple
stuff
but
things,
but
we
can't
find
the
wallet
or
any
of
the
main
things
that
we
lost.
So
I
tell
roman
we'll
meet
back
up
in
an
hour.
I'm
gonna
go
home
change,
blase
blah
I'll,
see
you
later
right,
so
I
hop
on
my
bike
at
the
time
we're
on
bikes.
Of
course
we
don't
have
cars.
I
ride
down.
B
I
believe
it's
wesley
street
and
I
noticed
that
a
police
officer
is
tailing
me
now.
I
didn't
do
anything
wrong,
so
I
don't
think
anything
of
it.
I'm
just
keep
riding
keep
riding
I
get
to
oakton
street.
The
cop
is
still
kind
of
like
following
me,
but
I'm
on
a
bike,
so
I
cross
the
street
and
take
a
right
went
to
oakton.
B
I
think
there's
some
oncoming
traffic,
so
that
cop
can't
turn
immediately
so
riding
my
bike,
bright
parallel
to
shoot
field,
if
you
know
shoot,
there's
a
big
field,
I'm
riding
it
right.
Parallel
on
the
sidewalk
and
a
common
shortcut
I
use
you
know
because
I'm
in
the
south
and
I'm
right
next
to
shoot.
I
went
to
dawes
as
I
cut
through
shoot
field
to
go
to
my
house.
It's
a
quicker
way,
so
I
used
bike
cut
through
shoot
field.
Get
all
the
way
to
my
house.
B
Put
my
bike
down
touch
the
fence.
Two
plain
clothes
officers
ran
out
of
nowhere
said:
put
your
hands
up.
What's
your
name?
What's
the
address
of
this
house
blase
block
and
put
me
in
handcuffs
and
of
course
I'm
confused,
because
this
is
my
house.
This
is
my
own
house,
I'm
on
my
own
property
and
two.
I
also
didn't
necessarily
know
who
these
guys
were
for
at
first,
because
they're
playing
close
officers,
of
course,
so
I
could
have
thought
they
were
anybody,
but
you
know
quickly.
B
B
All
I
did
was
put
my
bike
down
put
my
hand
on
the
fence
to
put
my
bike
up
like
I
always
do,
and
now
six
cop
cars
are
swarming,
my
house,
so
I'm
thinking
like
man,
it's
almost
like
that
feeling
of
like
it's
something
so
absurd
that,
like
you
almost
start
to
go
back
and
think
maybe
I
did
do
something
wrong.
Maybe
I
did
mess
up,
but
I
know
for
a
fact.
Obviously
I
didn't
do
anything
wrong
so
so
I
get
arrested,
not
arrested.
B
I
get
placed
in
handcuffs,
they
bring
me
out
to
the
front
of
my
house
and
now
at
this
point,
neighbors
are
out.
Everybody
can
see
very
embarrassing
experience
for
me
honestly
and
they're
doing
something
called
a
show
up.
I
guess
and
from
my
understanding
is
they
some
cop
car
drives
by
with
the
person
or
the
victim
of
the
crime
and
they're
supposed
to
identify?
B
If
I
was
the
person
or
not-
and
you
know
they
didn't
identify
me
as
the
person
who
did
whatever
crime
and
then
after
everything
police
were
just
like.
Oh
didn't
apologize,
didn't
do
anything
didn't,
say
sorry,
my
mom's
out
there
trying
to
like
you
know,
re
reason
with
them
and
they're
trying
to
paint
her
as
like
the
angry
black
woman
and
be
like
oh
calm,
down
calm
down
but
like
any
mom
would
be
upset.
If
you
know
you
came
to,
they
saw
their
kid
arrested
in
handcuffs
and
he
didn't
do
anything.
B
So
I
thought
that
was
interesting
and
the
interesting
part
about
that
is
they
got
the
black
officer
to
talk
to
my
mom.
You
know
to
try
to
sell
her
down.
Like
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like
that
was
gonna.
Do
anything
like
you
know
they
would
get
a
better
result
from
that
like
no
like
my
mom
is,
you
know
clearly
upset
about
that.
They
leave
no
apology.
B
B
I
don't
think
they
ever
ended
up
finding
the
suspect
who
committed
the
burglary
the
worst
part
about
it.
All,
of
course,
is
that
the
description
that
they
put
out
was,
for,
I
guess,
a
six
foot,
black
male,
with
a
light
or
grey
shirt
or
some
sort
of
shirt
and
dark
cargo
shorts.
Now
the
only
thing
that
matched
on
that
description
was
dark:
cargo
shorts.
I
had
navy
blue
shortstone
right.
Everything
else
was
was
out
of
the
range,
so
it
was
supposed
to
be
an
older
male.
B
Six
foot
above,
like
only
thing
that
match,
was
a
dark
cargo
shorts.
So
again,
I
feel
as
though
you
know
any
black
male
in
that
area
was
fair
game
and
that's
a
problem.
That's
a
huge
problem,
because,
if
you're
not
going
to
follow
if
you're
trained
as
an
officer
and
you're
not
going
to
follow
the
description
of
what's
given
out
and
just
try
to
fish,
for
you
know
anybody
in
the
vicinity
or
oh
he's
a
black
male,
he
looks
like
he's
riding
his
bike
away
from
the
scene
of
a
crime.
It's
completely
not
true!
B
A
B
Nothing
that
I
was
doing
wrong.
I
think
maybe
the
only
time
I
would
interact
with
the
police
officer
is
maybe,
if,
like
you
know,
there
may
be
been
a
call
about,
like
some
kids,
making
loud
noise
walking
through
an
alley
and
even
see
even
things
like
that.
It's,
like
you,
know
we'll
get
calls
about
like
kids.
B
Just
doing
kid
stuff,
like
you
know,
walking
through
alleys
or
doing
stuff
playing
loud
music,
and
I
think
that's
a
big
problem,
because
I
think
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
discern
what's
just
typical
teenage
behavior
and
actual
hard
hard
crime
that
you
need
to
use
aggressive
tactics
for.
So
no,
I
I
can't
say
that
I
had
very
many
police
interactions
before
that,
but
I
would
say
that
the
ones
I
did
it
was
never
anything
productive
or
anything
that
had
to
do
with
anything
important.
So.
A
Let
me
go
to
that
chief,
it's
a
cheap
chief
cook.
I
have
a
question
question
which
is
start
off.
You
have
a
tough
job.
All
right
police
officers
have
a
tough
job,
a
crime's
been
committed
someone's
a
victim,
and
you
know
they.
You
know
you
have
work
to
do
right
to
keep
keep
the
community
safe
and
all,
and
all
of
that
you
know,
dawani's
story
that
he
just
shared
is
similar
to
another
one
that
I
I
think
of
other
ones
here
where
there
was
a
crime
committed.
A
You
know
the
person
was
somewhere
around
town
and
the
police
were
trying
to.
In
that
case
it
was
an
older.
It
happened
to
be
a
black
male,
but
it
was
an
older
black,
male,
40s
or
50s.
I
don't
think
he
would
achieve
at
the
time,
but
you
know
duane
talks
about
the
use
of
discern
right.
I
think
that's
a
really.
That's
a
really
important
word
like.
How
can
you
take
us
through
the
process
of
how
our
officers
are
trained
on
that
type
of
thing
like?
A
B
C
C
You
have
technically
been
arrested
and
the
police
have
a
long
history
of
doing
that
once
they
put
the
handcuffs
on
you
and
you're
not
free
to
go
you
you
are
arrested
and
that
might
have
been
part
of
the
lawsuit
that
you
said.
Your
mom
filed
that
you
know
they.
They
basically
arrested
them.
But
you
know
each
police
officer
here
gets
criminal
law
classes
to
help
them
understand
the
process
of
arrest,
and
you
know
before
you
have
any
type
of
restriction
of
a
person's
movement.
C
You
should
investigate
it
by
talking
and
trying
to
find
out
what
the
young
man
was
doing.
That
made
you
think
other
than
just
that
one
little
piece
of
clothing
that
he
had
that
match.
That
would
make
him
the
description.
You
know
that's
basically,
fishing.
You
know
what.
If
the
person
had
been
mistaken
and
said
yeah,
that's
him
and
then
they're
gonna
arrest
him
take
him
down
to
the
station.
C
C
A
Chief,
why
is
it
that
listen
we
all?
We
all
can
make
mistakes
right,
hopefully,
they're
not
lethal
deadly
mistakes,
but
we
can
all
all
make
mistakes
and
when
that
does
occur
like
it
sounds,
like
you
know,
get
into
money's
case
or
I'm
even
thinking
lawrence
crosby,
which
again
you
weren't
here,
then
why
is
it?
Why
is
it
hard
to
say?
A
Hey,
I'm
sorry,
you
know
what
we
made
a
mistake:
here's
what
was
going
on
and
we
thought
you'd
fit
the
description
and
I'm
really
sorry
about
that
or
in
the
lawrence
crosby
case
it
was
his
own
car.
You
know
once
we
run
all
that
and
we
realized.
Oh,
my
god.
This
was
this
young
man's
own
car
and
again
that
was
called
in
by
somebody
said.
I
think,
he's
stealing
this
car
and
of
course
he
wasn't.
A
Why
don't
we
look
at
that
closely
and
just
say:
hey,
you
know
what
we're
gonna
drop,
those
we
arrested
him
and
we
shouldn't
have
say:
hey.
You
know
we're
going
to
ultimately
right.
The
judge
threw
that
out
in
that
other
case,
but
we
put
that
person
through
a
lot
more
than
just
the
traumatic
traumatic
experience
of
that
moment.
C
C
C
You
know,
is
the
officer
had
this
type
of
discipline
before
do
we
see
anything
unbecoming
of
this
officer
in
the
past
and
if
so,
then
you
know
that
you
compound
it
or
add.
You
know
I
don't
have
to
start
at
the
basic
level
of
discipline
in
a
progressive
discipline
arena.
You
know
if
it's
so
egregious.
C
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chief,
I'm
just
for
the
viewers,
because
you
mentioned
the
lawrence
crosby.
I
think
a
lot
went
wrong
with
lawrence
crosby
from
the
person
that
called
it
in
to
the
situation
on
the
scene
to
after
the
fact
of
you
know
getting
involved
in
politics
here
and
that
video
being
foied
and
released,
and
that
wasn't
something
that
that
young
man
actually
wanted
and
because
of
that
you
know,
I
I
think
legitimately.
A
So
he
says
this
has
caused
rep
more
reputational
damage
to
me
than
even
the
stock,
because
you
know
the
video
is
now
out
there
and
you
know
been
seen
five
five
million
times
and
that's
a
discussion
for
another
day.
Probably
about
these
actual,
you
know,
videos
and
the
release
and
should
the
the
either
the
victim,
the
suspect
or
anything
have
any
say
in
whether
this
is
released
or
not.
But
that's
right,
that's
for
another
day,
but
I
think
that's
an
interesting
actually
topic.
A
I
was
going
to
turn
actually
to
trey
next
and
here
he
comes
back
on
because
I
know
trey
has
to
be
off
at.
I
think
12
45
and
I
want
trey
to
talk
to
us
about
his
experience
with
the
evanston
police
department
and
trey,
is
part
of
the
officer
in
the
gentleman
academy
and
he's
going
to
talk
about
that.
But
I'd
be
interested
trey
too,
with
you
sharing,
you
know
what
your
experience
was
with
the
police.
D
Okay,
I
personally
have
never
had
any
real
interaction
that
involved
me
getting
arrested
or
pulled
over
with
like
a
bad
experience
with
evanston
police
department,
but
I
can
speak
that
there
are
good
police
officers
in
the
in
the
epd,
but
as
far
as
like
any
negative
altercations
or
any
minor
infractions
about
anything,
I've
never
really
been
through
that.
So
I
can't
really
speak
on
that,
but
yeah.
D
I
feel
like
because
they
are
youth,
they
still
have
a
chance.
So
I
feel
like
please
look
at
it
as
if
we
can
hurry
up
and
crack
down
on
this
person
or
this
youth
or
this
minor,
you
can
stop
them
from
becoming
becoming
an
adult
like
an
adult
troublemaker,
so
I
feel
like
they
kind
of
sometimes
it
kind
of
goes
too
far,
and
some
people
stop
caring
about
what's
really
important.
A
If
your
parent,
you
know
we,
we
read
a
lot
and-
and
you
know
you
know
black
friends,
that
I
know
who
are
parents.
You
know
talk
to
me
about
having
you
know
the
talk
with
their
kids
about
about
the
police
and
I'm
curious.
If
you
know
your
you
know,
parents
have
had
that
conversation
with
you,
trey
and
and
what
that,
if
you
would
be
willing
to
share
what
that
conversation,
you
know.
D
Of
course,
by
me,
being
a
young
male,
especially
young
black
male,
that
kind
of
that
conversation
was
kind
of
like
always
like,
like
it's
always
been
had
like
in
my
family.
So
I
go
with
my
friends
a
lot
so
like
I'm,
not
always
at
home,
like
I'm
out
I'm
out
sometimes
so.
My
mom,
like
we
go
through
everything
like
the
dudes
and
don'ts
of
like
what
to
do.
D
If
I
do
get
pulled
over
home
with
friends
or
if
like
don't
be
like
like
she,
the
main
thing
she
tells
me
is
not
to
be
hostile
like
make
myself
like.
Let
the
police
officers
know
that
I'm
calm
and
I'm
not
trying
to
like
antagonize
myself,
so
we
kind
of
like
that's
kind
of
something
that
me
and
my
mom
and
my
dad.
We
talked
about
that
a
lot
because
I
mean
like
when
you
become
a
teenager.
D
You
obviously
are
going
to
want
to
do
things
on
your
own,
like
versus
whether
it's
getting
your
license
or
you're
going
to
parties
and
stuff.
It's
it's
important
to
be
mindful
of
your
surroundings
and
like
the
people
you
surround
yourself
with,
because
not
only
that
there's
like
a
kind
of
like
a
vape
trend,
that's
going
on
right
now
so
versus.
D
If
I
get
caught
and
it's
like
you
know,
who's
office
thinks
I'm
high
or
something
it's
kind
of
like
be
mindful
that
that
there
are
ways
to
let
them
know
that
you
are
not
as
hostile
as
they
believe
and
as
media
portrays
black
people.
So
I
feel,
like
that's,
that's
also
important
when
it
comes
to
like
those
kind
of
conversations
to
have.
A
E
E
A
B
Sorry,
I'm
sorry
yeah,
sorry,
we've
had
that
talk
or
I've
had
that
talk
with
my
parents
plenty
of
times
my
dad
is
from
the
south
he's
actually
from
kentucky,
and
it
was
very
racist
back
in
his
day,
especially
his
siblings,
receiving
you
know,
threats.
I
think
my
aunt
wanted
to
be
a
dentist.
She
received
threats
in
her
locker
and
calling
her
the
n-word
so
again
that
talk
has
always
been
something.
That's
happened
in
my
family
and
I
think
that
it's
almost
like
a
rite
of
passage
for
young
like
males.
B
B
I'm
very
alert-
and
you
know
know
when
police
are
around,
so
it's
not
a
thing
as
if
I
feel
like
potentially
oh,
like
the
police
are
here
like
I'm
more
safe
like
sometimes
I
think.
Oh
the
police
are
here
like
this
could
be
a
problem
or
oh,
you
know
it
could
be
something
as
my
new
as
like.
Let's
say
I'm
walking
on
campus
and
you
know
a
temple
police
officer
asked
for
you
know
some
id
to
get
into
somewhere.
B
You
know
it
could
be
anything,
and
I
think
that
that
fact
right
there
that,
like
that,
creates
so
much
animosity
and
tension
between
you
know
the
the
police
and
just
black
males
in
general,
and
I
think
that
we
see
you
know
all
types
of
black
males.
You
know
getting
gunned
down
by
police
and
I
think
that's
what's
so
jarring
for
us
and
when
I
say
all
types
of
black
males
I
mean
you
know
ones
who
are,
you
know,
have
a
lot
going
for
themselves.
B
Ones
who
you
know
maybe
have
a
scholarship
to
harvard
ones
who
you
know
are
doing
the
right
thing
and
trying
to
stay
out
of
trouble
and
have
great
records
and
have
nothing
on
their
records
and
they're
still
getting
gunned
down
by
police.
So
I
have
to
ask
the
question
there.
It
seems
as
though
it's
more
of
a
institutionalized
racism,
systematic
thing,
because
you
know
as
we
go
back
to
discernment.
Even
I
feel
as
though
cops
can't
really
discern.
B
You
know
which
black
male
has
a
lot
going
for
themselves
and
is
on
the
right
track
and
doing
the
right
thing
which
black
males
aren't
necessarily
so,
and
I
think
that
you
know
as
a
typical
person
and
just
having
soft
skills.
You
can
discern
that
with
a
just
a
person
you
know
talking
to
like
if
you
know,
you've
never
met
me
before
mayor
haggerty
and
you
know
just
based
off
the
things
I
tell
you.
B
You
know
about
myself
how
I
carry
myself
my
demeanor
that
can
tell
you
a
couple
of
things
about
my
intention
and
I
think
you
know,
and
that's
not
always
100
the
case.
So
you
know
sometimes
people
present
themselves
a
certain
way
and
they're
completely
opposite.
I
mean
we
call
that
a
wolf
in
sheep's
clothing,
but
I
think
for
the
most
part
you
know
it's
almost
like.
Oh
black
male
equals
bad.
Like
you
know,
oh
I
see
a
black
male.
I
know
he's
not
up
to
any
good
and
that's
just
not
true.
B
It's
not
true
at
all,
and
I
have
plenty
of
black
friends
who
have
great
things
going
for
themselves
are
in
almost
sometimes
better
position
than
white
their
white
counterparts,
and
it's
just
so
insulting
to
still
have
to
deal
with
police
officers
harassing
you
like,
like
you're,
a
criminal.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
you
know
where
I
stand
on.
That
would.
A
You
sh
would
you
share
and
then
I
want
to
go
back
to
trey
and
then
I'm
going
to
have
ann
share
his
story.
Would
you
share
if
you're,
if
you're
comfortable,
what
you
shared
with
me
in
the
office?
When
I
asked,
I
said:
okay
you're
20
years
old,
and
I
think
it
was
you
and
jamal.
That's
really.
That's
it
you're
you're
20
years
old.
How
many
times
have
you
had
an
interaction?
B
B
I
remember
this
one
time
I
think
I
was
with
my
friends
and
we
were
driving
to
drop
one
of
them
off
before
curfew.
I
think
our
well
we're
in
high
school
and
then
we're
driving
when
I
believe
green
bay
on
our
way
to
the
north
and
and
all
of
a
sudden,
I'm
doing
nothing
wrong.
Police
pulled
out
of
nowhere
and
just
lights
lights
me
up,
like
you
know
what
I'm
saying
pulls
me
over
now,
I'm
thinking
like
okay.
What
could
I
have
possibly
done
wrong
now?
B
He
comes
up
the
window
says
that
my
I
think
the
illumination
light
that
lights
up
like
the
license
plate
is
out.
So
I'm
like.
Oh
okay,
baby,
you
know
I
I
should
get
that
fixed,
I'm
reasonable,
non-hostile
in
turn.
He
lets
me
go
right,
but
then,
when
I
get
to
drop
off
my
friend,
I
check
the
light
and
it's
on
so
it
just
seems
like
okay,
we're
looking
for
a
reason
to
pull
me
over.
Were
you
looking?
You
know
what
I'm
saying
did
you
think
I
was
somebody
that
you
were
looking
for?
B
Why
do
I
need
to
be
subject
to
that
type
of
harassment
when
my
white
counterparts
aren't
subject
to
that
and
I
think
until
that's
equal
until
we
get
on
the
same
page
as
our
white
counterparts?
I
don't
think
you
know
any
conversation
that
says
that,
oh,
like
you
know
he
was
in
the
wrong
or
oh
you
know
he
shouldn't
have
been
resist.
I
just
think
that's
that's
null
and
void
until
we
get
that
same
benefit
of
the
doubt
as
our
white
counterparts,
and
we
don't
have
that
yeah.
A
I
thank
you
for
sharing
that
for
auntie
and
I
think
the
thing
that's
just
striking
there
is
just
as
human
beings.
We
all
have
interactions
with
the
police.
I
mean
you
just
live
life,
you're
gonna,
you
know
get
pulled
over
because
you
were
eating
or
you
went
through
a
stop
sign
or
whatever,
but
it's
the
it's
the
disproportionate.
A
A
So
it's
not
that
that
you
know
we
don't
all
have
that,
but
it's
it's
the
proportionality
of
it.
That
is
striking
trey,
because
I
know
you
need
to
to
leave
in
a
second.
Could
you
could
you
share
a
little
with
our
viewers
about
the
officer
and
the
gentleman
academy
that
you
that
you
went
through
and
I
think,
you're
a
mentor
now,
maybe
some
of
the
students
that
are
in
it
and
what
the
what
the
purpose
of
that
program
is.
D
I
think
that
officer
howard
took
over
and
then
like.
It
became
more.
It
became
more
so
like
after
that,
like
we
kind
of
just
went
through
like
we
got
financial
literary
literary
classes,
we
got
like
we
met
like
a
bunch
of
people.
We
met
you
of
course,
to
teach
us
like,
like
there's,
there's
a
better
way
to
do
stuff
so
like,
after
that,
it's
kind
of
like
just
a
class
like
a
mentorship.
D
D
Type
people
like
in
our
life
and
like
if
we
need
something
we
can.
We
always
know
that
we
can
always
count
on
them
and
we
try
it
like.
They
reward
us
for
good
behavior
and
it
teaches
us
to
like
to
keep
your
grades
up
and
be
respectful
and
stuff
like
that.
So
when
I
say
like
sophomore
year
junior,
like
all
the
upperclassmen,
you
kind
of
become
like
the
like
the
student
mentors.
So
I
can
kind
of
teach
like
the
newer
kids
what
to
do
and
what
not
to
do
so.
D
A
That's
great
I've
watched
you
grow
up
to
be
a
great
young
man.
I
mean
I
remember
when
you
were
in
that
program.
You
mentioned
several
years
ago.
Let's,
let's,
let's
turn
over
to
ann
and-
and
you
know
same
same
question-
that
I
started
dewani
off
with.
Can
you
tell
you
know
we
give
a
little
background
just
for
the
viewers
and
of
yourself?
Would
you
agree?
You
know
what
grade
you're
in?
A
If
you
want
to
share
that
and
then
you
know
any
encounters,
I
mean
obviously
there's
the
big
encounter.
I
don't
know
if
there
have
been.
You
know
any
others
before,
after
anything
with
the
police
department
and
just
your
your
perception
of
you
know,
being
a
young
black
youth,
you
know
in
america
right
now.
E
My
first,
like
encounter
with
the
police,
was
like
like
I,
it
was
always
like
when
I
was
gruffles,
I
was
like.
Oh
man,
we
don't
like
police.
It
was
just
me
like
being
a
like
stupid
kid.
I
really
I
heard
like
I
just
knew.
All
I
knew
about
was
like
the
civil
rights
movement
and
racism
and
police
beating
on
protesters
and
stuff.
So
my
like,
I
already
looked
at
police.
It's
like
oh,
it's
police
like
like
steer
clear
like
it
was.
E
That
was
always
something
for
me,
but
when,
when
I
was
like,
I
was
12
years
old,
going
in
seventh
grade
hanging
out
with
like
a
bunch
of
friends,
and
they
just
happened
to
be
all
black
and
we
were
all
like
like
making
up.
We
were
all
making
noise
and
apparently
people
were
like
complaining
and
then
the
police
came
and
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
juvenile
complete.
It
wasn't
juvenile
police,
like
police,
who
specifically
deal
with
kids.
E
It
was
like
adult
police
officers
and
they
came
and
they're
like
cussing
at
us
and
stuff
like
get
your
and
get
out
of
here,
blah
blah
blah
and
we're
like
what,
like
I
like.
Y'all
gotta
chill
like
like
we're
just
like,
like
chilling
like
hanging
around
literally
just
hanging
out,
and
I
was
at
the
burger
king
and
then
me
and
my
two
friends
were
on
a
bike.
One
of
them
was
driving
the
bike.
I
was
on
the
pegs.
E
My
other
friend
was
on
the
handlebars
and
I
was
like
hey:
let's
go
to
starbucks
we're
at
burger
king
and
we
went
to
starbucks
and
he
just
ran.
He
didn't
even
he
didn't
even
look.
He
just
ran
right
across
the
street
on
the
bike
like
drove
right
across
the
street.
Like
a
couple,
cars
stopped
and
honked
at
us,
and
I
was
like
like
dude.
What
are
you
doing
like?
We
could
have
just
got
hit
by
a
car
if
they
didn't
stop,
it
was
like
man,
I
don't
care.
E
I
was
like
whatever
dude
and
then
we're
going
to
the
starbucks
and
like
we're
just
like
joking
around
and
stuff,
just
being
kids,
and
I
was
going-
I
was
just
going
in
to
get
a
water
sugar
water.
I
literally
going.
I
that's
what
I
used
to
do,
because
I
didn't
have
any
money
to
pay
for
anything
and
just
go
down
downtown
and
just
mess
around.
E
If
they,
I
can't
remember
if
they
came
in
or
as
soon
as
I
came
out,
they
were
like
come
with
me:
oh
yeah,
one
of
them
came
to
the
door
and
was
like
come
with
me
and
I'm
like
what
and
then
my
friend
who
was
driving
the
bike
was
in
the
back
of
starbucks
and
they
saw
him
too
and
they
they
were
like
come
with
me
and
then
my
other
friend
who
was
on
the
pegs
I
was
on
the
was
on
the
handlebars.
I
was
on
the
pegs.
E
She
was
on
the
handlebars,
my
other
friend
who
was
driving.
The
bike
was
in
the
starbucks
chilling
and
the
officers
take
me
and
my
other
friend
who
had
no
control
over
the
bike
whatsoever
and-
and
they
were
like,
come
with
me
and
like
or
like
something
about
like
you,
you
were
you,
you
just
ran
a
red
light,
blah
blah
blah
and
I
was
like
I
was
like
I'm
like.
What's
going
on
like?
Can
I
call
my
parents,
no,
my
sister's
right
over
at
the
burger
king.
E
Can
I
call
my
call
my
sister
she's
right
over
at
the
burger
king,
a
block
down?
No
I'm
like
what
like.
I
can't
even
call
my
parents
like
what
did
I
do
wrong
they're
like
come
with,
come
with
us,
and
then
they
put
me
in
this
paddy
wagon
and
at
this
point
I'm
having
like
a
full
blown
panic
attack.
I
thought
I
was
gonna
die.
Like
literally,
I
was
fearing
for
my
life.
E
I've
never
been
that
scared
of
my
whole
life
and
my
dad
never
really
beat
me
as
a
kid
I
was
like
so
sure
I
was
going
to
get
whooped
when
I
got
home.
I
didn't
even
know
what
I
did
wrong,
but
I
was
scared
for
my
life
and
that
happened,
and
then
I
see
my
friend
dylan
who
I
went
to
elementary
school
with
and
his
mom's
there.
His
mom
happened
to
be
a
teacher
at
the
at
the
school.
E
E
Do
you
think
you
let
him
out,
and
I
could
talk
to
him
like
I
could
take
him
home
no
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
like
they
just
kept,
saying
no
to
every
single
every
single
opportunity
to
make
the
situation
go
down
and
like
there
were
so
many
other
ways
to
handle
the
situation
they
handled
it
the
absolute
worst.
I
couldn't
call
my
parents,
I
couldn't
she
couldn't
take
me
home.
I
couldn't
call
my
sister.
E
I
was
just
stuck
there
and
then
everybody
surrounding
the
paddy
wagon
me
and
my
friend
are
in
the
from
the
paddy
wagon
she's
on
one
side
and
I'm
on
the
other,
and
I
couldn't
even
stand
up
and
it
was
like
really
scary
and
then
word
got
to
my
sister
that
I
had
been
arrested
and
she's
coming
over
and
she's
like,
like
my
brother's,
like
12
years
old,
like
put
me
in
there
for
him,
like
she's
yelling
at
him
like.
Why
is
he
in
there?
Why
is
my
12
year
old
brother
in
the
paddy
wagon?
E
Why
is
he
getting
arrested
right
now?
You
tell
me
why,
like
what
is
going
on
and
and
then
they're
like
they're
they're,
like
oh,
my
sister's,
freaking
out
she's
doing
the
most,
and
I
was
just
so
confused
on
what
was
going
on.
I
was
like
scared
for
my
life
and
and
then
she
ends
up
like
yelling
at
them
when
she
had
every
right
to
yell
at
them,
because
it
was
some
bs.
E
They
had
no
reason
to
arrest
me
whatsoever
at
the
most
they
could
have
called
my
parents
who
went
hey
your
child
almost
got
hit
by
a
car.
When
I
really
did
it
all
the
cars
just
there's
two
cars
they
stopped
and
just
honked
at
us.
I'm
like
what
the
hell,
that's
literally
all
that
happened
and
and
so
she
I
get
taken
to
the
station
and
then
I'm
there,
and
I
had
no
clue
what
I
did
wrong.
All
I
was.
E
I
I
like
I
was
I
was
like
stuttering.
I
had
no
clue
what
I
had
done
wrong.
It
was
just
like
it
was
utterly
ridiculous
and
I,
the
thing
is
I
had,
I
didn't
think
about
the
fact
that
I
didn't
do
anything
wrong.
I
didn't
like
think
about
it
and
realize
oh
wait.
I
shouldn't
actually
be
here
that
never
crossed
my
mind
until
after
I
left
the
police
station,
my
dad
well
we're
in
the
police
station.
We
were
talking
about
what
happened
and
my
parents
were
like
wait.
E
This
is
why
you
arrested
my
child
and
they
were
like
really,
and
my
mom
was
like,
like
like
nah
like
this
is
ridiculous,
like
I'm
not
signing
this
station
adjustment.
For
my
my
son,
like
he
was
on
the
pegs
of
the
bike,
and
I
I
was
just,
I
didn't
even
know
what
to
do,
and
my
parents
were
like
finally
made
me
realize
like
this
is
this
is
not
right
at
all
like.
This
is
not
right
at
all.
E
This
is
police,
racially
profiling,
and
this
is
exactly
what
we've
been
talking
about
for,
like
your
whole
life
stuff
like
stuff
like
this,
this
is
they
made
me
realize
what
had
just
happened
to
me
and
yeah,
and
then
I
finally
and
my
dad
had
to
go
through
all
that,
like
all
that,
like
my
dad
had
to
go
through
like
a
bunch
of
stuff
with
the
police,
the
the
police
is
the
police,
chief's
boss.
I
forgot
his
name
to
get
my
record
expunged
and
stuff
and
yeah.
A
A
A
E
They
never
ever
apologized
or
anything.
My
dad
had
to
go
through
all
that
for
them
and
then,
after,
like
two
months
of
like
going
back
and
forth
with
the
police,
trying
to
get
my
record
expunged,
they
wrote
a
letter
of
regret.
Like
the
most
ridiculous
thing.
They
couldn't
even
just
go.
Hey
like
my
bad
for,
like
just
putting
you
through
that
for
no
reason
you
did
absolutely
nothing
wrong.
They
gave
no
apology
whatsoever
and
then,
after
two
months
they
wrote
a
letter
of
regret.
It
was
the
most
ridiculous
thing.
A
A
You
know
how
we,
as
a
police
department,
do
handle
incidents
with
with
youth
gathering,
because
it's
pretty
typical
what
ian
shared
and
what
we
all
grew
up
doing
right
is
hanging
out
with
our
friends.
We
were
in
middle
school
or
high
school,
and
sometimes
we're
doing
things
like
you
know,
riding
our
bike
right
across
the
traffic,
where
we
shouldn't
do
that,
but
like
nonetheless,
we
are
kids.
C
C
I
think
today
is
a
good
day
to
apologize,
and
hopefully
we
could
amaze
our
relationship
and
move
forward
in
a
positive
way.
So
it's
my
hope
that
you
accept
my
apology
to
you
for
that
incident
that
you
were
involved
in
okay
and
you
know,
interaction
with
youth.
It's
a
different
way.
You
go
about
that.
C
C
This
is
something
new
that
we
are
learning
about,
our
interactions,
how
we
traumatize
kids
and
not
even
know
it.
So
it's
my
hope.
You
know,
and
the
city
has
been
proactive
with
how
we
interact
and
my
hope
is
not
to
have
any
juveniles
in
the
state,
even
though
I
know
that,
for
some
situation
is
going
to
require
them
to
come
into
the
station.
So
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
alternatives
to
arrests
and
the
number
of
misdemeanor
situations
that
we
included
in
that
package.
C
C
You
know
you
know
with
with
public
interaction
and
partnership
and
relationship
building,
you
get
to
know
folks
in
this
town
and
a
lot
of
times
the
kid
wouldn't
even
know.
I
knew
his
parents
when
I
hear
his
last
name
and
I'd,
take
him
straight
to
his
mom,
and
that
was
more
punishment
than
you
could
that
you
could
ever
shake
a
stick
at
versus.
You
know
it's
historically,
we've
had
a
lot
of
youth
destroyed
their
reputation
and
and
their
criminal
history
by
arresting
them
as
such
a
young
age.
C
You
know,
by
the
time
you
get,
I'm
17
the
police
arrest
me
by
the
time
I'm
27.
My
whole
life
has
changed
and
I
still
got
this
from
this.
This
arrest.
You
know
it's
the
same
thing
like
you
know,
look
at
the
marijuana
deal.
They
just
made
marijuana
legal,
but
look
how
many
kids,
black
and
white
that
have
these
stains
on
a
record
for
marijuana,
which
the
state's
attorney
was
gracious
enough
to
eliminate
that
from
their
record.
C
C
So
that
is
something
that
right
now
we
are
building
the
bylaws
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
that's
in
my
budget
initiatives
to
put
this
program
forth
next
year,
youth
advisory
committee
here
in
evanston
for
the
public.
If
you
want
to
research
is
pretty
much
similar
to
what
chicago
police
have,
they
have
what's
known
as
the
wide
dot.
C
C
This
summer
we
had
six
youth
high
school
age,
kids
here
in
the
station
station,
that
was
sponsored
by
the
hickey
powell
foundation
and
the
police
weren't
really
too
happy
about
having
you
surround.
While
I
was
in
the
colvit
era,
but
I
bought
a
man
anyway
and
we
maintain
the
safety
of
these
kids.
But
what
what
happened
was
a
great
relationship
bill?
A
Thank
you
chief,
and
I
like
I
like
that
idea
and
I'm
glad
you're
moving
forward
with
that
and
if
you're
watching
you
might
be
interested
in
that
we
will
put
that
out
through
the
city
through
the
city
channels
and
one
final
question
that
I've
got
for
you
in
dewaney
and
I
know
we're
coming
up
on
our
one
hour
mark
and
we'll
wrap
it
up
and
then,
after
them
officer
wilson,
I
mean
you're
you're
out
there
you're
a
police
officer
here
in
town.
You
know
you
know
our
community
really
well.
A
You
grew
up
here
and
everything
I'd
love
to
have
any
perspective
you
want
to
share
or
anything
you
want
to
share
at
the
end.
It
will
wrap
up
that
way,
but
dewani
and
ian.
If
you
just
wanted
to
offer,
because
we've
got
the
police
chief
here
and
everybody
else,
you
know
one
or
two
or
three
things
that
you
think
the
police
could
do
better
to.
You
know
handle
encounters
with
youth
in
our
community.
E
So,
like
my
advice,
would
be
like
try
and
be
kind
of
like
a
helping
hand
to
like
everybody
like
leave
a
good
impression
on
anybody.
Anybody
you
meet,
especially
the
youth,
leave
a
good
impression,
because
that's
how
me
and
my
friends
or
anybody
in
my
greater
my
generation
could
grow
up
and
have
a
good.
You
guys
could
leave
a
good
impression
on
us
and
and
I'll
grow
up,
knowing
hey
at
least
I
may
have
got
arrested
at
12
years
old,
but
at
least
things
changed
a
little
bit
and
it
left
a
good
impression.
E
B
I
would
say
I
I
think
the
most
important
thing
here
is
is
empathy,
and
I
think
you
know
putting
yourself
in
the
shoes
of
you
know
a
13
or
14
year
old
nowadays,
and-
and
even
you
know
thinking
back
back
to
when
you
know
you
were
a
13
or
14
year
old
and
what
what
are
the
sort
of
things
you
like
to
do
or,
like
you
know
what
mischief
you
got
into.
I
think
you
know
when
you're
young
everybody
makes
mistakes.
Some
are
huge.
B
Some
are
small,
but
I
think
how
the
police
react
to
those
mistakes
is
the
most
important
thing
here,
so
you
know
going
back
to
using
discretion
and
things
like
that.
I
think
that
the
police's
tactics
have
historically
been
very
aggressive
with
you.
You
know
I
especially
in
a
place
like
evanston.
I
just
don't
think
we
need
that.
B
You
know
maybe,
for
some
of
the
high
level
higher
level,
you
know
if
a
young
person
is
doing
a
home
invasion
or
or
robbing
somebody
at
gunpoint,
obviously
use
you
know
your
discretion
and
you
might
need
to
use
force
in
that
that
circumstance.
But
if
the
kids,
you
know,
I
don't
you
know
even
smoking
weed
in
an
alley
or
whatever
you
know
what
I'm
saying:
it's,
not
you
don't
send
them
to
jail,
you
don't
arrest
them.
You
know
even
ian
story.
B
What
he's
telling
me
about
sounds
just
like
the
epd
to
me
sounds
exactly
like
the
epd
to
me.
Oh,
you
know
what
I'm
saying
he
went
across
the
street.
You
know,
maybe
you
know,
caused
a
little
bit
of
a
traffic
blip
they're
on
pegs.
You
know
they're
they're
moving
around
they're
black
kids
they're
young
and
then
it
ends
in
an
arrest.
And
it's
like
what,
like
you
know
what
I'm
saying
you
sit
there
and
you're
like
how
does
this
correlate
to
an
arrest?
B
And
I
think,
even
going
back
to
what
the
commissioner
says
is
how
like
those
small
things,
can
literally
ruin
the
rest
of
the
kid's
life,
like
literally
ruin
it
the
rest
of
the
kid's
life
either?
Just
because
it's
on
their
record
and
people
know,
and
now
they
have
a
reputation,
and
you
know,
or
you
know
it
was
just
so
traumatic.
The
experience
was
so
traumatic
that
you
know
they.
B
Never
trust
police
again
and-
and
we
don't
want
relationships
like
that,
like
I
feel
like
you
know,
most
people
want
to
be
able
to
trust
the
police
want
to
be
able
to
say,
like
oh
they're
in
the
neighborhood
doing
productive
things
protecting
me,
you
know
being
a
deterrent
to
crime.
You
know
things
of
that
nature.
I
think
most
people
want
to
say
that,
but
we
just
honestly
can't
say
that
from
what
we've
seen
and-
and
I
think
what
you
talked
about,
like
the
disproportionate
you
know
policing,
I
think
that's
the
worst
part.
B
Because
again,
if
you
want
to
you
know,
you
know,
arrest
kids
for
smoking,
weed,
that's
fine,
but
just
make
sure
you
arrest
everybody
for
smoking
weed
or
you
know.
If
you
want
to
arrest
that
kid
for
jaywalking,
you
know
what
I'm
saying.
That's
fine
just
make
sure
you're
arresting
white
kids
for
jaywalking
too,
and
I
think
that's
a
problem
that
they're
never
arrested
for
white.
I
mean
white
kids
are
never
arrested,
for
you
know
little
crimes
like
that,
and
if
they
are
it's
either
slap
on
the
wrist
reprimand
it
or
they
can.
B
You
know
pay
their
way
out
of
that.
You
know
ian.
You
were
talking
about
expunging.
I
had
to
get
my
record
expunged
as
well.
You
know
back
in
high
school
for
for
something
crazy,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
they
put
you
through
so
much.
You
know
they
put
you
through
so
much
for
so
little
and
I
think
that
there
are
alternatives
to
arrests,
and
I
think
you
know
what
the
commissioner
was
talking
about.
Moving
in
those
directions,
that's
the
right!
That's
the
right
direction,
an
alternative
for
arrest,
especially
for
you.
B
B
A
time
when
they're
most
fragile,
you
know
they
make
mistakes.
They're
impressionable
you
got
social
media.
You
got
influences
from
everybody,
you
know
you
got
school,
you
got
pressure
from
school.
You
have
hormones
surging
through
your
body,
it's
just
a
tough
time
for
everybody,
and
I
think
what
can
make
that
easier.
Is
you
know
at
least
not
arresting
kids
in
in
causing
this?
You
know
these
sorts
of
problems
so.
A
You
know
where
it
used
to
be
eight
years
ago
about
800
youth,
young.
You
know
arrests
here
in
town
down
to
300,
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
progress
there.
But
your
comments
are
a
really
good
one
officer
wilson,
I'm
going
to
give
you
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
the
last
say
before
I
wrap
it
up.
You've
been
on
the
police
force
for
a
long
time.
You
grew
up
here
in
this
community.
A
F
Hi
everyone
first,
I
want
to
say
thanks
for
having
this
conversation,
I
want
to
speak
to
some
of
dewani's
points
about
kids
being
kids
and
growing
up
in
evanston.
We
were
just
that
we
were
rambunctious.
I
didn't
realize
I
was
a
car
burglar
until
I
started
working
at
evanston
pd,
where
we
used
to
leave
a
haven
and
take
everyone's
quarters
out
of
their
car
to
go
to
snackery
and
get
candy.
So
it
was
just
us
being
kids,
so
I
do
understand,
but
my
experience
with
the
evanston
police
department
growing
up
wasn't
your
experience.
F
I
actually
didn't
have
a
negative
or
positive
experience
it
just
they
just
were
and
then,
when
I
went
away
to
illinois
state
university,
that
was
like
my
first
experience
with
seeing
the
the
difference-
and
you
know
our
friends
will
be
walking
from
one
dorm
to
the
next
in
a
group
of
ten
and
it's
like.
Let's
stop
this
group
and
you
know
you're
my
back.
This
is
my
action.
I'm
like
we're
walking
you
know.
F
So
it
was
like
you
have
a
whole
friend
house,
full
of
white
kids
doing
the
same
thing
and
that's
not
mob
action.
So
you
know
we
had
a
bloomington
police
chief,
tell
us
that
you
know
they
didn't
want
to
hire
black
officers
because
we
didn't
want
to
work
holidays
and
weekends.
So
I
understand
like
the
angst,
I
get
it
because
I
experienced
it,
but
was
after
I
left
evanston,
but
empathy
is
exactly
what
all
this
is
and
it's
the
only
reason
why
you
know
the
people
I
work
with
who
are
good
officers.
F
F
We
know
that
so
it's
always
going
to
be
a
continual
thing,
but
what
I've
learned
in
almost
20
years
of
working
here
is
that
the
community
also
needs
some
adjustments,
because
when
I
get
that
call
about
the
kids
playing
basketball,
I
am
that
kid
playing
basketball
at
mason
park
at
two
in
the
morning,
because
we
have
nothing
else
to
do,
and
so
I
think
why
are
the
neighbors
calling
on
us
when
they
know
who
we
are?
They
know
where
they
can
go
and
talk
to
our
parents.
F
So,
in
addition
to
hey
the
police
are
here,
I
hate
coming,
I
hate
coming,
but
I
have
to
come
so
I
think,
as
well
as
the
discussion
within
the
police
department.
The
community
needs
to
have
a
real
discussion
on
why
you're
calling
the
police
on
your
youth
in
the
first
place
and
then
having
us
as
a
responsible
liable
entity
to
have
to
respond
to
that.
So
I
think
collectively
we
need
to
have
this
talk
amongst
everybody
and.
B
F
I
will
say:
evanston
has
done
the
work,
we're
definitely
not
perfect,
but
I've
been
to
other
places,
and
I
couldn't
imagine
I
couldn't
imagine
growing
up
in
that
type
of
you
know
anxiety
all
the
time.
So
I'm
with
you,
I
wouldn't
change
my
experience
for
the
world.
I
loved
my
upbringing.
You
know
the
police
officers,
the
firefighters
were
my
coaches
at
fam.
F
F
You
know
what
it
is
so
and
that's
just
what
we
need
to
get
back
to
and
chief
cook
was
that
cop
for
us,
when
we
were
kids,
there
was
no
bringing
us
to
the
station.
He
dropped
me
off
right
on
1600
block
of
florence
and
we
felt
an
embarrassment
that
we
just
embarrassed
the
whole
family
because
he
had
to
bring
us
home.
So
we
need
to
just
get
back
to
being
community
and
stop
all
the
politics.
And-
and
you
know
my
name
and
I
know
yours.
B
Great,
I
highly
agree
with
that.
I
was
going
to
just
touch
on
something
real
quick
that
you
were
talking
about
is.
Is
people
calling
the
police
so
again
being
in
a
place
like
evanston?
I
see
now,
especially
a
lot
of
performative
activism.
When
I
say
performative
activism
I
mean
evanston
is
a
liberal
place?
It's
no!
It's
no
secret.
You
know
we
love
to
tout
our
diversity
and
we
love
to
be
like
okay.
This
is
a
great
place
and
it
is,
but
I
think
you
know
I
have
to
ask
the
question
as
well.
B
Why
are
these
people
calling
the
police
on
these
young
black
males
in
a
place
like
evanston?
That
claims
to
be
so
diverse
and
claims
to
be
so
accepting,
and
I
think,
there's
some
performative
activism
going
on
there
see
you
know
people
will
hop
up
online
and
say
black
lives
matter.
You
know
join
the
movement
post
things
you
know
even
go
to
rallies,
but
you
know
when
they
see
black
people
or
they
pass
black
people.
They
don't
say
anything
or
you
know
a
black
male
pass
their
car
and
they
lock
the
doors.
B
You
know
little
stuff
like
that.
I
mean
we
notice
it
and
I
think
even
you
know
walking
a
common
thing.
You
know
when
I
talk
about
my
interactions
with
the
police.
It
was
always
you
know,
a
call
about
noise
or
walking
in
a
group,
and
you
alluded
to
that
a
little
bit
earlier
and
I
think
that
that's
just
so
crazy
that
we
live
in
a
place
like
evanston
and
we
love
to
tower
our
chests
and
say
it's
inclusive
for
everybody.
B
You
know
be
unapologetically
black,
be
yourself,
but
then,
when
it
really
comes
down
to
it,
those
are
the
same
people
calling
the
cops
on
our
kids
and
not
just
our
kids,
adults.
You
know
doing
doing
stuff,
and
I
I
think
that
goes
back
to
the
the
guy
who
got
arrested
for,
for
you
know
going
to
his
car,
the
the
woman
thought
he
was
breaking
his
own
car.
It's
like
it's
like.
B
How
can
you
you
claim
that
that
you
know
this
is
what
you
represent
and
then
you're
literally
inflicting
pain
and
suffering
on
these
same
people
on
black
people
by
calling
the
police.
So
I
think
that's
a
big
question
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
and
maybe
we
can
address
it
next
time
because
I
know
we're
running
out
of
time,
but
it
just
seems
as
though
you
know
you're
talking
about.
Oh,
I
hate
coming
to
these.
B
A
Thing,
I
think,
that's
a
really
good.
Last
point:
there's
there's
work
to
you
know
again,
I
think
evanston
I
know
evanston
is
is
working
hard
to
you
know.
You
know
practice
21st
century
policing,
as
the
as
the
chief
you
know
has
said
before,
and
you
know
put
in
place
best
practices
and
I
will
I
will
leave
some
of
the
audience
with
it.
A
A
This
is
our
our
last
session
on
conversations
on
policing
here
in
evanston,
we've
done
nine
in
total
and
so
we're
going
to
take
a
break,
and
you
know
people
in
the
community
have
other
suggestions
for
sessions
or
panels
they'd
like
to
see
we
may
periodically
bring
these
up,
but
this
is
all
again
part
of
us
taking
a
real,
close
examination
and
getting
a
good
understanding
of
policing
here
in
evanston,
as
we
move
into
budget
season.
This
fall,
so
thank
you,
everyone
for
joining
us.