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A
Welcome
everybody.
This
is
mayor,
steve
haggerty,
I'm
pleased
to
have
everyone
with
us
today.
A
This
is
our
series
on
policing
in
evanston,
and
today's
subject
is
going
to
be
on
one
that
is
of
interest
to
many
people
out
there,
particularly
after
what
we've
seen
in
the
past
happened
to
eric,
garner
or
george
floyd
or
others,
and
that's
on
the
use
of
force
that
police
use
and
how
they
go
about
using
that
when
they
need
to,
as
well
as
body
cameras
which
we
instituted
here
in
evanston
a
few
years
a
few
years
ago.
A
I'm
delighted
to
have
with
us
chris
burbank,
who
is
the
vice
president
of
law
enforcement
strategy
for
the
center
of
policing,
equity
and
chris,
is
coming
with
us
from
salt
lake
city.
So
I'll
have
him,
give
a
little
more
background
on
himself
and
and
the
center
for
policy
equity.
A
We
have
our
police
chief
demetrius
cook
with
us
today
and
our
deputy
chief
jody
wright.
I
do
want
to
make
note
at
the
beginning
of
this
session
that
we
had
an
unusually
violent
weekend
here
in
evanston
and
and
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community.
Our
entire
community
is
hurting
because,
because
of
that,
particularly
the
people
in
the
fifth
ward,
where
this
violence
broke
out
on
saturday
and
sunday,
as
well
as
down
in
the
eighth
ward
on
howard
street
on
thursday.
A
So
it's
unusual
that
we
have
that
many
homicides
here
in
evanston
generally,
in
the
last
couple
of
years
it's
been
about
one
to
three
homicides
and-
and
we
had
three
in
the
last
week,
so
I
know
this
is
on
my
mind.
I
know
it's
on
a
lot
of
people's
minds.
A
We
have
city
council
tonight
and
one
the
focus
area
of
our
city
council
meeting
before
this
violent
weekend
was
on
policing
here
in
evanston,
and
so
at
the
top
of
that
meeting
I
am
going
to
under
my
mayor,
announcements,
ask
alderman
rue
simmons
to
say
a
few
words
he's
the
alderman
of
fifth
ward,
and
I
know
she
has
a
statement
she
wants
to
make,
as
well
as
our
police,
chief
demetrius
cook
and
audrey
thompson.
Our
community
outreach.
A
So
more
will
come
on
that,
so
today's
session
will
be
on
on
use
of
force
and
body
cameras.
If
this
is
your
first
time
joining
us,
this
is
our
fourth
in
a
series
of
conversations
we're
having
the
first
one
was
on
police
training.
The
second
one
was
on
the
evanson
police
department
budget
and
the
conversation
around
defund,
the
police,
which
continues
to
go
on
across
the
country
and
in
our
community.
A
The
last
one
was
on
the
collaboration
between
evanston
police
department
and
northwestern
university's
police
department,
as
well
as
school
resource
officers
at
both
our
elementary
school
and
our
high
school.
So
the
two
different
school
districts,
those
are
available.
You
can
find
them
on
the
city's
website
if
you'd
like
to
to
review
those.
I
also
appreciate
the
media
who's
been
covering
these
and
and
putting
out
articles
as
well.
This
is
being
broadcast,
live
on,
facebook
live
and
it's
also
on
our
local
tv
station
channel
16..
A
So
lots
of
great
questions
that
have
already
come
in
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
I'd
like
to
start
off
with
chris
burbank
and
just
give
our
audience
chris.
If
you
would,
and
usually
we
have
two
to
three
thousand
people
that
end
up
viewing
these
discussions,
just
give
them
a
sense
of
your
background
and
how
you
ended
up
at
the
center
for
policing
equity
and
what
the
mission
of
that
organization
is
so
well.
Oh.
B
Absolutely
let
me
just
first
say
that
I
know
firsthand
the
impact
that
a
homicide
has
on
an
entire
community.
We
make
the
mistake
of
thinking.
Oh
it's
just
those
specific
people
involved
who
may
have
lost
their
lives,
but
it
impacts
the
entire
community
and
the
feeling
of
safety
and
well-being.
B
It's
paramount
in
our
lives,
and
so
my
sympathy
to
you
and
your
community
and
thank
you
for
having
me,
I
spent
25
years
in
law
enforcement,
nine
of
those
as
a
police
chief
in
salt
lake
city.
During
that
time
I
was
the
vice
president
of
the
major
city
chiefs
association,
so
the
70
largest
agencies
in
the
u.s
and
canada,
and
I
am
currently
the
president
of
the
national
executive
institute,
which
is
law
enforcement
officials
who
have
attended
the
fbi's
national
executive
institute.
B
B
It
somehow
still
exists
and
that's
because
the
racism,
the
bias,
we
make
the
mistake
of
saying:
okay,
let's
change,
hearts
and
minds,
which
is
a
very
difficult
thing
to
do.
When
we
apply
science
to
it,
we
can
say
well,
these
are
the
things
that
lead
to
disparity.
Let's
just
stop
doing
those
things
which
are
much
easier
to
get
to.
B
A
Well,
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
endorsement
and
just
for
our
audience,
that's
how
we
ended
up
with
chris
on
here,
because
as
people
know,
I
committed
as
one
of
hundreds
of
mayors
around
the
country
to
do
a
review
here
in
our
community
of
use
of
force,
and
so
when
we
were
looking
for
a
sort
of
independent
third
party
to
join
us
on
these
conversations,
as
we
tried
to
do
each
week,
that's
how
we
ended
up
connecting
with
you,
chris
in
the
center
for
policing
equity.
So
one
other
question.
Chris.
A
Are
you
familiar
with
the
eight
can't
wait
and
I
had
a
lot
of
people
after
the
murder
of
george
floyd
email
me
and
say:
hey
mayor,
you
know
eight
can't
wait.
I
want
to
know
about.
You
know
where
evanson
stands
on
these,
so
we're
going
to
talk
about
that.
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
chief
cook
next,
because
I
want
to
go
through
because
so
many
people
inquired
about
that.
But
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
had
any
perspective
on
on
those,
he
can't
wait.
B
Oh
absolutely,
I
do,
and
I
I
think
the
thing
that
is
most
important
because
a
little
perspective
I
began
my
career
about
30
years
ago,
and
there
was
this
little
incident
in
los
angeles
in
which
rodney
king
and
we
know
the
events
of
that
and
you
look
today
at
some
of
the
things
that
we
see
playing
out
and
have
we
improved.
Have
we
changed
the
outcome,
and
that
is
the
mistake
that
we
have
made
time
and
time
again
in
between
that
event,
and
now
we
have
had
tremendous
discussion
about
how
policing
should
change.
B
A
Great
great,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
go
to
the
chief
now
and
and
chief.
I
want
to
do
a
quick
run
round
robin
on
the
eight
can't
wait
and
then
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
chris
and
just
ask
him
for
any
perspective.
He
has,
after
this,
after
listening
to
you
and
then
we're
going
to
get
to
the
audience's
questions
that
people
have
emailed
us,
some
of
which
I
may
have
been
related
to
these
eight
can't
wait.
A
So
first
one
eight
can't
wait
is
about
chokeholds
and
strangleholds
chief
in
the
city
of
evanston.
Do
our
officers
use
chokeholds
or
strangleholds.
C
No
sir
chokehold
is
banned
in
our
general
orders.
They've
been
banned
in
there
it's
a
universal
ban.
If
agency
has
lexical
policies,
the
the
banner
chokehold
is
in
our
general
orders,.
A
All
right,
excellent,
second,
second,
one
is
about
requiring
de-escalation.
I
know
we
talked
about
this
on
our
first
session
that
we
had
around
training,
but
so
I'll
ask
the
question
straight
up
and
evanston:
do
we
require
officers
to
de-escalate
situations.
C
Yes,
sir
de-escalation
is
critical
when
it
comes
to
preventing
force.
We
have,
I
think,
89
officers
here
trained
in
critical
incident
training
and
a
big
portion
of
that
is
de-escalation
and
de-escalation
in
a
number
of
areas:
suicide,
prevention
of
mental
health
and
things
of
that
nature.
How
to
not
make
a
small
incident
of
bitcoin?
C
A
D
C
Yes,
you
know:
if
practical
you
know,
if
the
officer's
life
or
no
one
else's
life
is
in
jeopardy,
officers
should
be
given
warnings
with
the
use
of
force.
A
And
she,
if
use
of
force
is
ever
occurs
any
kind
of
use
of
force,
and
I
know
this
is
a
I'm
jumping.
I'm
jumping
down
the
list,
but
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
talk
about.
It
now
do
evanston
officers,
and
this
is
the
eighth
one
on
eight
can't
wait.
Do
evanston
officers
have
to
report
each
time
they
use
use
of
force
or
threaten
to
use
use
of
force
against
a
civilian.
A
And
and
what
and
can
you
talk
to
our
viewers
about
what
happens
to
that
report?
So
the
officer
completes
it.
Do
you
see
it?
I
mean
who
sees
it
there
and
and
asks
the
questions
and
the
reason
I
ask
that
question
now
is
because
it
does
get
to
to
the
point
about
you
know
requiring
a
warning
before
shooting.
Presumably,
I
would
expect
that
question
and
all
those
kind
of
details
is
going
to
be
in
that
report.
You
know
second
by
second,
what
happened
here
to
get
to
the
point
where
force
had
to
be
used.
C
Yes,
sir,
when
we
get
that
use
of
force
report,
it
goes
up
through
the
chain
to
the
office
of
professional
standards
and
that
triggers
a
review
of
the
video,
and
we
can
see
a
number
of
things
from
the
review
of
that
video
not
only
to
with
respect
to
the
actual
use
of
force,
but
any
other
infractions.
We
see
in
the
in
the
viewing
of
that
video
we
we
take
care
of
that.
It
comes
up
to
my
office.
C
If
it's
a
recommendation
for
discipline
needed,
it
goes
back
down
to
the
supervisor,
and
then
it
comes
up
as
a
formal,
a
a
departmental
inquiry
into
our
into
that
particular
incident.
A
Chief,
is
there
a
statewide
database
that
you
have
to
enter
information
into
if
use
of
force
is
used.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
chris
at
the
end,
when
we
get
through
these
questions-
and
he
can-
you
can
add
any
anything
here
so
to
the
requiring
comprehensive
reporting.
The
bottom
line
is
yes:
in
evanston
officers
have
to
report
each
time
they
use
use
of
force
or
threaten
to
use
use
of
force
against
a.
E
Just
just
to
clarify
man
so
anytime,
there
is
a
use
of
force
or
even
an
allegation
made
by
someone
that
we
came
in
contact
with
an
allegation
of
injury,
even
if
there
was
no
force
used,
because
there
was
an
allegation,
we
still
do
a
use
of
force
report.
Okay,
now
officer
threatens
the
use
of
force
and
that
use
of
force
is
is
not
by
a
weapon
or
anything
like
that.
You
know
just
to
give
commands
in
order
for
compliance.
A
That
situation,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you,
deputy
chief
right,
okay!
So
we're
gonna
go
to
the
fourth
question
or
the
fourth
of
the
of
the
eight
can't
wait.
Does
evanston
require
all
officers
to
exhaust
all
other
alternatives,
including
non-force
and
less
lethal
force
options
prior
to
resorting
to
deadline
force.
E
So,
as
far
as
what
stated
in
the
policy,
no,
it's
not
required
that
you
exhaust
all
efforts.
Every
use
of
four
situation
is
unique
and
some
situations
are
more
complex
than
others.
Officers
are
trained
to
use
enough
force
to
defeat
the
threat
that
they
are
encountered
with
at
the
time,
and
in
doing
so,
they
take
a
look
at
the
totality
of
the
circumstance
of
that
particular
situation.
E
So
it
may
not
be
feasible
for
an
officer
to
confront
a
threat
of
deadly
force
with
something
that
would
not
defeat
that
threat,
meaning
we
wouldn't
have
an
officer
expecting
also
to
use
osea
pepper
spray
if
they're
confronted
with
deadly
force.
So
no
they
do
not
have
to
exhaust
all
measures
in
order
to
escalate
to
the
level
of
force
that's
needed,
but
they
should
use
the
force,
that's
necessary
to
defeat
the
threat
and
make
the
arrest
yep.
A
So,
let's,
let's
jump
then
to
the
seventh
criteria
of
their
eight,
because
you
started
to
talk
about
it,
deputy
chief,
which
is
you
know,
requiring
the
use
of
force
continuum,
and
do
we
use
the
use
of
force
continuum
in
evanston,
which
I
think
you
would
you
you
were
describing
there
and
talk
to
our
viewers
about
what
this
use
of
force
continuum.
It's,
because
it's
a
it's
a
a
methodology,
an
approach
that
police
departments
use
all
over
the
country.
E
So
the
use
of
force
continuum
itself
is
just
a
a
a
policy
or
a
practice
that
an
officer
has
some
predetermined
force
options
to
use
to
defeat
a
threat,
meaning
if
you're
met
with,
let's
say
verbal
or
some
non-aggressive
resistance
to
continue
on
pretty
much
dictates
a
guideline.
It's
not
absolute,
but
a
guideline
on
where
you
should
enter
that
situation.
E
So
in
in
years
past
people
will
look
at
a
continuum
and
think
it's
an
escalation
up
the
use
of
force,
but
it's
also
an
escalation
down
as
well.
So
you
may
be
met
with
a
level
of
force
that
may
dictate
you
to
use
a
higher
level,
but
would
be
escalation
training
just
because
you
go
in
that
situation
and
the
beginning
of
that
situation
requires
a
high
level
of
force.
You
can
move
down
a
continuum
based
on
verbal
commands
and
direction.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
it
would
be
good,
I'm
sure
it's
already
out
there
there's
a
there's,
a
diagram
that
demonstrates
what
you
were
just
talking
about
with
the
use
of
force
continuum
if
it
hasn't
been
in
any
of
our
past
packages,
the
next
time
we
do
a
human
services
committee
meeting
with
policing
and
forces
on
there.
I
definitely
want
to
put
that
out
there.
I
want
people
to
see
and
understand
that
continuum
with
the
graph
of
the
graphic
all
right.
A
This
is
on
the
minds
of
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
folks,
and
this
is
the
fifth
criteria
on
eight
can't.
Wait
is
a
duty
to
intervene,
and
this
is
on
the
minds,
because
you
know
we
see
if
I
just
use
george
floyd
as
an
example,
you
know
a
guy
who
can't
breathe,
says
it
multiple
times
other
officers
there
and
nobody
intervenes
to
stop
the
situation,
so
in
evanston
does
evanston
require
officers
to
intervene
and
stop
excessive
force
and
report
incidents.
C
Okay,
yes,
yes,
the
elvista
police
department
specifically
has
the
general
order
and
it
is
entitled
duty
to
intervene
now
in
law
enforcement.
You
know
this
has
been
something
that
we
have
really
been
not
really
good
at
years
ago,
in
the
80s
you
know
we
would
have
calls
and
every
10
police
officers.
D
C
C
It
is
your
duty
to
stop
it
and
report
it
to
the
to
your
immediate
supervisor,
and
we
hold
people
accountable
to
the
utmost
level
of
that.
When
we
look
at
these
situations
and
body
camera
video
has
greatly
aided
us
in
being
able
to
determine
how
far
up
the
chain
with
that
accountability
with
respect
to
the
people
who's
on
the
scene.
Okay,.
A
All
right-
and
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
body
cameras
in
a
minute
because
there
are
lots
of
questions
about
about
body
cameras
and,
if
you're,
also
thinking
about
again
duty
to
intervene
or
the
reporting
of
incidents.
A
Any
complaints
that
are
filed
go
through
the
office
of
professional
review,
but
also
go
to
the
citizen
police
review
commission,
which
is
mayor
point
the
city
council
approves
which
they
did
just
recently.
So
any
complaints
ultimately
go
to
that
citizen,
commission
as
well.
The
sixth
criteria
is
about
shooting
at
moving
vehicles,
does
evanston
ban
shooting
at
moving
vehicles.
C
Well,
we
follow
the
state
law
with
respect
to
that
you
know.
If
you
shoot
down
a
moving
vehicle,
it
should
be
a
deadly
force.
You
should
be
able
to
articulate
deadly
force.
You
know
if
the
if
the
vehicle
is
trying
to
run
the
officer
over
the
officer
can
use
deadly
force
in
that
situation,
but
as
a
practice,
you
know
you
should
be
very
careful
with
that.
If
you
can't
articulate
that
daily
force
was
required,.
A
And
so
chief
take
us
through
so
say
an
officer
used
deadly
force
against
a
moving
vehicle,
can't
articulate
it
very
very,
very
well.
In
your
judgment,
there
were
absolutely
other
options
in
the
continuum
that
that
officer
could
have
deployed
what
happens.
What
happens
in
that
situation.
C
It's
an
investigation
internet
incident,
a
review
of
all
mediums
of
body
camera
from
every
officer
that
may
have
been
on
the
scene.
Our
camera
video
is
is
reviewed.
That
video
is
compared
to
what
the
officer
writes
in
his
field
general
and
any
supplementary
reports.
We
look
for
the
inconsistencies
there
and
then
based
upon
the
facts
when
it
gets
to
my
office,
we
determine
a
appropriate
level
of
discipline.
C
A
All
right
and
so
that
cup,
that
that
was
number
six.
We
already
covered
number
seven,
which
was
requiring
abuse
of
force
continuum
which
evanston
does
cancer
firmly.
They
do
have
use
force
of
continuing
here
and
then
the
eighth
one
was
requiring
comprehensive
reporting
and
every
evanston
officer
has
to
report
each
time
they
use
force
against
civilians,
and
so
so
that
was
answered
affirmatively
there
was
the
nuance
to
the
threatened
to
use
force,
which
officer
or
deputy
commissioner
chief
right
discussed
there
on
that.
A
So
chris
you,
you
you've,
heard
the
responses
to
these.
You
know
eight
can't
wait.
Do
you
have
do
you
have
anything
you'd,
wanna,
add
or
areas
where
you
think
hey
evanston?
Maybe
you
should
should
think
about
this
or
think
about
that.
B
Well,
what
I
will
point
to
directly
is
the
answers
that
the
chief
gave
were
very
similar
to
answers
that
come
across
the
nation
right.
Some
of
these
things
have
been
in
place
for
years
and
years.
Some
are
a
little
more
recent,
but
many
are
following
this
practice,
but
what
we
still
see
is
an
outcome
in
which
there
is
tremendous
disparity
and
we
have
problems
with
the
outcome.
We
see
people
time
and
time
again
in
essence,
abusing
this
system.
B
No,
these
horrible
incidents
that
we
see
are
the
results
of
situations
in
which
we
need
to
ask
ourselves.
Is
that
the
best
use
of
the
resource
that
we
call
policing
and
we
as
a
society
you
as
a
community,
need
to
start
taking
a
look
scientifically
and
measuring
right?
The
data
that
you
have
available
utilize
that
to
say
this
is
what's
producing
the
negative
outcome,
and
these
are
the
things
that
are
maybe
reducing
that
we
have
been
very
poor
at
measuring
the
success
of
policy
practice
and
training
that
we
put
into
place
in
policing.
B
C
B
D
A
Great
point:
it's
a
great
it's
a
it's
a
great
point.
So
thank
you.
We
had
a
question
from
terry.
How
is
the
ban
on
choke
holds
monitored?
A
Now,
chief,
you
did
you
made
it
very
clear
that
you
know
it's
against
policy
here
in
evanston
for
an
officer
to
use
choke
holds
or
strangle
holds,
but
but
his
but
her
question
is
you
know
how?
How
do
we
monitor
that?
That's
not
occur.
C
C
But
we
do
see
from
you
know
some
of
the
audits
that
we
do
with
respect
to
the
video
and
when
I
say
video
I
mean
the
body,
camera
video
and
even
the
in
car
video
that
when
these
officers
do
these
takedowns,
sometimes
inadvertently
it
it,
it
turns
into
a
chokehold
to
get
the
person
down
to
the
ground,
and
when
you
have
those
situations,
you
got
to
take
decisive
action
and
we
we
do
do
that
here,
but
any
any
anything
that
comes
to
our
attention
through
the
complaint
process
or
even
through
an
ambulance
run.
C
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
that
it's
important
for
the
viewers
to
know,
because
you
just
referred
to
it,
that
as
part
of
sort
of
quality
assurance
and
monitoring
you
do
or
you
have
a
team
that
periodically
or
regularly
samples
body
worn
camera
video
to
see.
If
you
know,
proper
practices
are
being
followed.
C
Yes,
sir,
we
take
action
a
lot
of
times
on
video
that
nobody
has
even
complained
about
and
if
it's
a
situation
where
it
could
be
a
torque
or
some
liability
associated
with
that
video
footage
that
we've
reviewed.
C
A
All
right
all
right
lots
of
questions
from
the
residents
here
in
evanston,
so
I
want
to
get
to
those
now
melissa
asks
what
is
the
entire
procedure
for
body
camera
filming
and
viewing?
A
So,
let's,
let's
start,
let's
start
with
this
question
because
I
know
this
is
on
the
minds
of
some
as
a
bystander.
A
May
I
film
the
police,
you
know
interaction
with
somebody
and
question
two
as
a
either
a
victim
of
a
crime
or
somebody
that
called
in
an
incident
and
I'm
part
of
it
I'm
a
subject.
I'm
part
of
it.
Can
I
film
you.
C
Yes,
a
person
has
the
right
to
film
the
police,
we're
public.
C
I
I
like
to
say
we
public
property,
and
you
know
the
citizens
have
a
right
to
film
us
what
happens
a
lot
of
times
and
we've
just
addressed
a
situation
with
respect
to
what
we're
talking
about
now.
It's
where
the
person
filming
gets
in
the
way
of
what
is
actually
going
on,
and
it
could
be
termed
that
that
person
is
interfering
or
jeopardizing
the
safety
of
the
officers
taking
a
video.
C
A
Okay,
all
right
and
talk
to
us
about
the
procedure
for
the
body
cameras
which
all
your
officers
wear.
So
this
was
something
they
you
pilot
tested
with
northwestern
university.
We
talked
about
that
the
last
session
that
we
had
and
the
city
council
made
the
investment.
It
was
something
the
police
wanted.
It
was
something
that
activists
wanted
for
greater
accountability
and
transparency.
A
So
how
does
that
work?
All
of
our
officers
have
body
worn
camera
videos
when
are
they
on?
When
are
they
off?
How
do
you
have
you
had
an
incident
where
something
happened
and
somebody
didn't
put
their
you
know
body
camera
on
and
what
happens
to
that
officer
in
that
situation?.
C
Yes,
sir,
yes
ever,
every
police
officer
has
a
body-worn
camera
and
the
use
of
those
cameras
are
governed
by
state
law
and
also
in
our
general
orders.
Now,
when
a
police
officer
leaves
the
station
his
body,
camera
should
be
up.
Having
it
off
in
the
station
is
an
exception.
Once
they
get
in
the
square
car,
they
can
turn
it
off,
but
once
they
exit
the
square
car
the
video
must
be
on
and
that
video
these
cameras
are
designed
to
run
for
up
to
10
hours,
and
that
is
law
state
law.
C
The
resident
has
the
right
to
say:
I
prefer
you
not
have
that
video
on,
but
while
a
police
officer
is
in
that
house,
if
some
violence
erupts,
the
officer
has
the
right
to
turn
the
video
camera
on
again
and
start
recording
that
having
that
video
is
the
officer's
responsibility
and
when
we
get
incidents
where
and
a
lot
of
things
happen
with
these
videos,
where
police
officers
try
to
circumvent.
C
What's
on
that
video,
but
my
my
my
perspective
is:
if
you
don't
have
a
video,
it's
gonna
be
corrective
action
in
terms
of
discipline
with
you
and
then
I'm
going
to
lean
toward
more
what
the
citizen
is
saying.
With
respect
to
what
happens.
A
And
so,
when
an
aw
when
an
officer
leaves
their
vehicle,
their
camera
has
to
be
on,
and
let's
say
they
pulled
me
over
and
do
they
need
to
make
a
verbal
command
to
me
or
to
let
me
know
that
it
is
being
videotaped
by
them,
or
is
it
just
understood
by
people
in
the
public
like
any
of
us?
Can.
A
E
Days,
yeah,
so
if
an
office
approaches
you
whether
it's
on
a
traffic,
stop
or
any,
let's
say
public
contact
on
the
street,
the
first
thing
they
should
do
is
just
introduce
themselves
and
let
them
know
that
their
audio
that
they
are
audio
and
video
court
video
reporting
the
incident.
E
Record
so
any
law
enforcement
contact
would
be
recorded
only
things
that
they
don't
report
are,
if
you
know,
if
I'm
just
out
downtown
addison-
and
I
approach
a
citizen
and
there's
just
casual
conversation,
there's
no
law
enforcement
intent,
then
that
conversation
wouldn't
be
recorded,
because
it's
just
a
casual
conversation
between
two
people,
a
public
official
and
a
citizen
of
their
there
isn't
any
enforcement
action
that
needs
to
be
taken
as
far
as
the
video
cameras
being
on
when
they
leave
the
station
every
time
you
turn
the
camera
on
it's
in
buffer
mode,
so
the
camera
is
armed,
but
it
isn't
recording
at
that
particular
time
until
the
police
activate.
E
Buffering
mode,
so
our
our
cameras
are
set
up
to
where,
once
the
police
officers
activate
the
recording,
the
recording
actually
starts
30
seconds
prior
to
when
the
police
officer
presses
that
button
to
record.
So
the
camera
is
always
buffering
collecting
that
information
and
it's
not
stored
on
the
camera
or
in
a
in
the
cloud
as
we
like
to
call
it.
A
Unless
the
recording
is
activated,
so
let's
walk
through
the
the
viewers
lots
of
people
have
this
question.
I
would
guess
that
the
vast
majority
of
interactions
that
the
police
have
with
the
public
nobody's
arrested
and
yet
it's
captured
on
body
warrant,
camera
video.
My
understanding
of
the
law
is
that
if
any
of
us
are
arrested,
anyone
can
foil
using
the
freedom
of
information
act
and
see
that
video
that's
correct.
A
Okay,
but
but
the
vast
majority
of
people
who
have
interactions
with
the
police
may
be
captured
on
body-worn
camera,
but
have
not
been
arrested.
Can
anybody
see
that
I
mean?
Could
I
if
the
police
were
at
my
neighbor's
house
last
night?
Could
I
say:
hey
I'd
like
to
see,
but
nobody
was
arrested.
Could
I
say
hey?
Can
I
see
that
you
know
body,
worn
camera
video.
E
No
so
we
have
what's
considered,
like
you
said:
what's
foiable
meaning
you
know
any
arrest?
So
if
an
arrest
is
made
you
know
just
like
we
do
our
daily
bulletins
and
there
are
announcements
that
an
arrest
was
made.
We
identified
what
the
crime
was
given
location
of
where
it
happened
and
then
sometimes
of
the
individual's
name.
That's
all
public
record.
Once
the
arrest
was
made
so
that
body
one
camera
falls
up
under
that
as
well.
E
So
if
a
police
officer
has
a
law
enforcement
contact,
an
arrest
is
made
that
information
is
now
employable
to
anyone
who
wants
to
see
that
interaction.
However,
if
I
came
to
your
house,
let's
just
say
it
was
a
complaint
and
there's
just
conversation
that
interaction
was
reported.
You
know,
based
on
your
acknowledgement
that
you're
doing
recording
and
you
didn't
object
to
it-
that
is
a
private
recording
between
the
police
officer
and
the
citizen.
E
So,
even
if
you
wanted
to
as
the
neighbor
to
retrieve
that
video,
you
couldn't
because
it
wouldn't
be
considered
public
record
now,
if
the
person
that
I
had
contact
with
wanted
to
view
that
video
they
could
call
the
police
department
and
say
I
had
this
interaction
with
the
police
last
night,
it
was
just
me
and
a
police
officer.
I
would
like
to
have
that
video,
because
they
were
a
party
in
that
conversation
or
subject
in
that
conversation,
then
that
video
can
be
disclosed.
A
Or
released
to
that
individual
okay,
so
if
you're,
not
if
you're
not
arrested
and
there's
body-worn
camera
video,
that's
captured
of
your
interaction
with
the
police,
the
only
people
that
can
see
that
video
is
the
subject
of
the
video
or
his
or
her
attorney
if
they
had
an
attorney
and
they
they
wanted
to
look
at
it.
But.
D
D
A
Get
to
see
yet
none
of
your
elected
officials
get
to
see
it.
Anything
like
that,
hey
chris,
how
common
are
body
cameras
in
police
departments,
nationwide.
B
Well,
they're
becoming
more
and
more
common,
so
I
was
one
of
the
first
agencies
in
salt
lake
city.
I
I
was
just
thinking.
I
think
it
was
ten
years
ago
that
I
went
to
a
full
deployment.
I
was
involved
in
discussion
with
chiefs
across
the
country
about
best
practices
policy
and
how
you
put
that
into
place
some
of
what
you
just
discussed
so
retention.
B
How
long
are
you
keeping
things
what
is
publicly
accessible
and
then
how
do
you
review
or
make
a
determination
of
the
three
big
questions
that
exist
right
now
and
there's
some
states
that
have
not
even
allowed
this
to
take
place,
and
so
now
it's
just
looping
around.
I
mean
you're
on
the
second
or
third
wave
or
initiative
for
body
cameras,
and
so
it's
very
important.
B
You
know
your
state
has
gone
a
long
way
to
addressing
some
of
the
policy
and
privacy
concerns
surrounding
body
camera
footage
and
those
things
some
states
are
just
barely
starting
down
this
road.
The
one
thing
that
I
always
caution,
though,
which
is
so
important
it
body
cameras,
do
not
tell
the
truth.
B
Body
cameras
give
you
a
factual
representation
of
what
took
place
so
in
describing
your
wall.
Mayor
behind
you
is
that
cream
is
that
yellow
is
that
off
white
right?
My
perception
may
be
very
different
than
yours.
So
what
you've
got
right
is
a
body
camera,
a
factual
representation.
You
have
the
statement
of
the
officer
involved.
You
have
the
statement
of
the
other,
the
citizen
involved,
putting
that
together.
Then
you
start
getting
close
to
an
actual
truth
of
what
took
place,
and
so
I
I
always
cautioned
because
this
does
not
solve
the
problem
right.
B
Going
back
to
my
initial
reference
right,
rodney
king
was
videotaped
that
entire
incident
right.
This
is
existed
in
law
enforcement,
but
yet
we've
still
had
the
abuses
take
place
and
when
you
look
at
the
floyd
incident
officer
knew
very
well
that
he
was
being
recorded,
and
so
these
are
the
types
of
things
yes,
they're
very
good
tools,
but
they're.
Just
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
use
to
change
the
outcome
of
policing.
B
Well,
I
I
think,
we've
seen
some
statistics
across
the
country
that
show
in
agencies
that
utilize
body
cameras
you
have
fewer
complaints
right,
the
complaints,
the
citizen,
the
run
of
the
mills,
citizen
complaints
officers
were
rude,
they
were
impolite,
they
had
no
reason
to
stop
me
and
those
things
I
think
we've
seen
traditionally
a
decline
in
those
types
of
complaints
and
the
nice
thing
is,
as
chief
cook
can
attest
to
right.
The
majority
police
officers
in
this
country
go
out
with
the
intent
to
do
a
good
job.
B
B
The
outcome
is
always
much
greater
than
that,
because
the
policy,
the
practice
and
the
procedure
in
which
we
send
officers
out
has
much
more
impact
on
the
outcome
and
the
bias
than
the
individual
officers,
and
so
that's
again
looking
at
what
is
the
practice
under
which
we
utilize
these
cameras.
If
your
practice
is
poor
and
you
allow
some
of
the
things
you
know
that
the
eight
prohibited
in
those
types
of
things
well,
then
you're
just
filming
bad
behavior
and
it
doesn't
change
the
standard
by
which
you're
operating
under.
B
A
Chief
cook
elizabeth
asked,
who
was
in
charge
of
downloading
body
camera
footage
and
who
has
access
to
it.
Great
question.
C
Once
once
the
officers
tour
duty
is
over,
they
put
their
body
cameras
into
the
charger
and
it
automatically
downloads
the
video
to
the
cloud.
Now,
the
only
person
that
has
access
to
that
video
is
the
office
of
professional
standards
and
our
in-house
I
t
officer,
none
of
that
video
is
uploaded,
can
be
manipulated
or
erased.
A
E
Yeah,
so
it
is
done
monthly,
so
every
sergeant
is
assigned
what
and
like
an
administrative
officer
pool
so
best
sergeant
is
responsible
for
spot
checking
at
least
three
of
those
officers
videos
per
month.
So
the
way
it
works
is
we
have
our
cad
system
in
our
rms,
which
generates
our
calls
for
service.
The
office
of
supervisors
will
go
and
they
will
get
their
officers
calls
for
service,
and
then
they
will
look
at
those
calls
for
service
and
determine
which
one
of
those
calls
for
service
would
require.
E
Most
most
time,
dissolver
will
require
body
camera
activation.
It
could
be
a
disturbance,
a
traffic,
stop.
You
know
anything
like
that.
So
what
they'll
do
is
they'll
just
randomly
pick
any
of
those
videos
that
require
I'm
sorry
any
of
those
situations
that
require
body
worn
camera
activation
and
then
they
will
check
and
see
if
that
officer,
as
well
as
any
of
the
officers
on
the
scene
activated
their
body
cameras.
E
If
it
was
a
situation
where
the
body
camera
should
have
been
activated
and
it
wasn't,
it
is
grounds
for
discipline
and
we
have
discipline
officers
in
the
past
for
this
now.
It's
kind
of
like
a
zero
tolerance,
because
we're
now
more
than
two
years
into
this,
this
body-worn
camera
implementation
or
full
deployment,
so
officers
should
be
well
aware
of.
You
know
when
the
body
cameras
should
be
activated,
so
the
supervisor
comes
across
the
scene,
a
situation
where
the
body
camera
should
have
been
activated
and
they
look
at
and
see.
E
B
Neil
can
I
just
question
man:
what's
your
retention
policy,
how
long
do
you
maintain
videos
and
is
there
a
different
schedule,
depending
on
the
whether
it's
an
arrest
or
non-arrest,
or
an
incident
that
rises
to
review.
E
We
do
so.
There
are
several
levels
of
retention
if
it's
just
an
ordinary
interaction
between
me
and
you,
let's
just
say
that
was
no
arrest
made.
That
is
retained
for
at
minimum
of
90
days,
so
just
a
regular
recording,
nothing,
no
extenuating
circumstances,
no
arrests,
90
days.
If
there
was
an
arrest
made,
the
minimum
retention
will
be
two
years
and
that
would
depend
on
you
know
how
far
or
how
the
case
advanced
in
court.
E
In
some
cases,
you
know
cook
county
may
take
longer
than
that.
So
we
do
modify
that
to
make
sure
that
any
evidence
that's
necessary
for
court.
We
keep
for
at
least
two
years.
It
goes
the
same
for
internal
complaints.
If
someone
makes
a
complaint
against
an
officer
that
video
is
kept
for
a
period,
I
believe
it's
five
years
two
to
five
years,
but
I
mean
even
to
go
further,
so
we
have
a
here
at
the
edmonton
police
department.
C
And
what
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
is
the
cook
county
state's
attorney
has
a
portal
into
our
into
our
video.
You
know
our
axon
body
worn
camera
video,
so
we
can
send,
and
the
state's
attorney
can
view
video
from
the
state's
attorney's
office
with
respect
to
cases
that
may
be
of
great
interest
to
them.
A
Neil
had
a
follow-up
question:
how
many
officers
have
been
caught,
not
meeting
the
department's
rules
on
body
camera
usage
since
the
inception
of
the
program
and
what
are
the
penalties
for
those
officers?
And
somebody
else
had
asked
that
question.
When
did
we
start
using
body
cameras
with
all
the
officers
here
in
evanston?
A
C
Do
have
that
data
because
you
know
and
when
you're
looking
at
organizational
culture,
when
you
want
people
to
do
a
specific
thing,
we
constantly
preach.
Have
your
body
camera
video
on,
so
I
got
zero
tolerance
for
not
having
it.
When
I
get
a
complaint,
if
I
don't
have
the
video
from
the
officer
and
as
chris
said,
you
know,
it
don't
paint
the
whole
picture.
C
But
when
I
look
at
the
situation
in
totality
what
what
the
citizen
may
have
said
in
their
complaint,
what
was
documented
in
the
police
reports,
what
any
witnesses
may
have
said
and
and
and
the
video
footage
I
can
get
a
good
picture
as
to
where
we're
gonna
go
in
terms
of
discipline.
C
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Marianne
asked
the
question:
when
an
officer
has
to
use
deadly
force,
do
they
shoot
to
kill
or
to
disable?
Well.
C
Anytime,
you
find
a
handgun
at
somebody,
that's
shooting
the
kill.
The
public
is
under
the
notion
that
a
police
officer
is
trained
or
should
be
trained
to
shoot
a
person
in
the
leg
or
to
have
that
people
say
I
should
have
shot
shot
him
in
the
hand.
You
know
the
use
of
a
weapon
is
deadly
force,
so
officers
are
trained
to
stop
the
threat
and
to
utilize
only
the
force
necessary
to
to
stop
that
threat.
C
We
follow,
we
don't
use
that
designation,
sharpshooter
the
state.
We
follow
the
state
of
illinois,
the
state
police,
firearms,
training
qualification
course
that
is
required
once
a
year,
but
we
do
numerous
range
events.
C
We
also
have
simulator
training
that
we
utilize
here
in
the
police
department,
where
they
have
real
life,
simulator
real
life,
simulations
of
use
of
force
situations.
C
A
Okay,
any
any
thoughts
on
that
chris.
What
was
just
discussed
in
terms
of.
D
B
B
Did
the
officer
put
themselves
in
the
situation
or
caused
the
need
for
deadly
force
to
be
utilized
and
then
going
back
to
where
you
know
I
talked
earlier.
What
about
those
situations?
Maybe
we
shouldn't
be
there
right
and
those
are
hard
questions
to
answer.
But
if
we're
going
to
change
the
end
product
right
the
outcome,
we
need
to
evaluate
the
criteria
under
which
we
hire
and
use
deadly
force.
B
Not
just
that
moment
in
time.
We
make
the
mistake
of
looking
at
30
seconds
and
saying:
oh,
we
should
have,
could
have
right
and
that
also
works
back
the
other
way.
You
see,
officers
that
we
as
the
public
go
well
wait
a
minute.
That's
definitely
against
the
law
and
the
court
says:
oh,
no,
that's
good
right
or
an
attorney
right.
B
That
is
because,
under
the
law
they're
looking
at
that
moment
in
time,
not
the
totality
and
the
necessity
of
that
use
of
force,
so
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
broader
look
at
some
of
these
things.
If
we're
actually
going
to
change
the
outcome-
and
I'm
not
talking
right,
this
is
where
officers
get
nervous
right,
I'm
not
talking
about
playing
a
gotcha
game
with
the
police.
I'm
talking
about.
We
go
through.
B
A
How
have
tasers
change
the
the
use
of
you
know
someone's
weapon
I
mean
the
taser
is
also
a
weapon,
I
suppose,
but
it
it
presumably
is
not
lethal
like
a
shot
would
be
so.
Can
you
talk
a
little
chris
about
how
that's
how
that's
changed
and
then
chief?
I
just
want
you
to
talk
about
the
use
of
tasers
here
in
evanston
and
any
guidelines
around
that.
B
So
tasers
are
a
tool,
they're
not
a
substitute
for
deadly
force,
but
they
have
been
accountable
for
a
reduction
in
force
in
some
agencies
that
have
utilized
them.
We
made
the
mistake
when
we
instituted
taser
type
weapons
as
saying
it
can
be
anywhere
from.
Oh,
you
looked
at
me
funny
to
a
substitute
for
deadly
force
and
very
bad
case
law.
Unfortunate
deaths
of
members
of
the
public.
We've
resulted
in
active
or
aggressive
resistance
right,
it's
a
tool
that
has
some
dangers
involved
in
it.
B
Ask
your
fire
department
what
the
standard
is
or
the
distance
from
a
fire
hydrant
station
to
a
business
to
anything
else,
they'll
quote
it
off
the
top
of
their
head.
Every
captain
in
the
town
will
well
what's
the
police
standard.
I
bet
you'll
get
40
different
standards
or
more
just
in
your
state
alone.
A
C
Yeah,
a
taser
is
on
the
use
of
force
continuum.
You
know
no
matter
what
level
of
force
you
utilize.
You
have
to
be
able
to
articulate
and
justify
your
reasoning
for
using
a
taser
and
that
all
has
to
fit
in
the
state
level.
As
chris
said,
a
taser
improperly
used
can
be
a
hazard,
but
fortunately
the
device
provides
a
lot
of
data
in
terms
of
how
it
was
used.
C
How
long
a
person
was
tased
was
that
tasing
of
that
person
within
the
guidelines
of
state
law
did
the
officer
change
the
person
when
there
were
other
hazards,
it
jeopardized
the
citizens,
life
and
things
of
that
nature?
You
know,
for
instance,
you
don't
want
to
take
somebody
standing
up
on
the
porch
and
the
stairs
are
right
there.
You
know
you
could
create
additional
hazards
there,
but
they
have
been
effective
in
in
in
in
the
proper
application
of
it
when
it's
utilized,
within
the
bounds
of
the
law.
A
Can
a
can
a
resident
tell
you
that
they
don't
want
it
videotaped
or
audio
taped,
and
will
you
turn
your.
A
C
A
But
the
situation,
let's
say
I
was
pulled
over
suspected
of
something,
and
I
say:
oh
I
don't
want
that
video
tape
on
it.
It
stays
on.
A
And
that's
by
the
law:
right,
yes,
okay,
all
right!
If
someone
thought
this
was
fortino
asked
this
question:
how
can
people
be
sure
that
an
encounter
with
the
police
is
documented
accurately?
We
talked
about
the
body,
camera
footage
and
all
that,
so
I
think
we've
covered
all
of
that.
But,
in
terms
of
you
know,
the
police
have,
you
know,
write
up
a
whole
report
that
they
have
do.
Residents
have
a
right
to
see
that
police
report
and
how
does
all
that?
A
C
The
police,
a
citizen
that
is
the
subject
of
a
police
incident,
has
the
right
to
see
the
police
report,
and
you
know
I
have
people
come
down
here
all
the
time.
You
know,
and
they
say
oh
well.
She
I
can't
afford
to
give
you
that
five
dollars,
or
whatever
give
them
the
police
report,
but
how
we,
how
we
analyze
truth,
is
based
on
the
totality
of
all
of
the
evidence
that
we
get.
C
You
know,
body,
camera,
incar,
cam
witnesses,
the
victim
statement,
what
the
police
officer
says
in
the
investigation
versus
what
he
wrote
in
his
police
report.
All
of
that
is
taken
into
account
and
after
I
review
that
stuff,
epic
after
it
comes
from
the
office
of
professional
standards,
I
make
a
determination
as
to
what
I
think
happened,
and
then
we
have
a
sit
down
with
the
office
of
professional
standards,
the
deputy
chiefs
and
myself,
and
we
look
at
the
incident
to
make
sure
that
we
all
on
the
same
page.
C
A
Final
question
from
fortino
and
then
I'm
going
to
wrap
it
up
with
a
final
question
for
chris:
is
there
a
code
of
silence
in
the
evanston
police
department
chief?
I.
C
Would
like
to
say,
the
code
of
silence
exists
in
law
enforcement.
That
is
still
an
issue,
I'm
being
a
police
officer,
I'm
in
my
40th
year.
It
was
an
issue
when
I
initially
started.
C
It
still
continues
to
be
an
issue,
but
I
think,
through
holding
officers
accountable
in
the
investigative
process,
I
think
being
honest
with
respect
to
transparency
with
the
citizens,
transparency
in
filling
foia
information
properly.
I
think
that
way
we
can.
We
can
cut
that
down
that
you
know
some
of
these
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
in
law
enforcement
today
have
been
in
existence
forever
and
now
I
think
we're
making
headway
with
solving
some
of
these
problems.
Some
of
these
issues
were
addressed
years
ago.
C
If
you,
if
you
go
back
to
the
independent
commission
report
on
the
los
angeles
police
department-
and
that
was
the
report
that
gave
examples
to
the
rodney
king
incident,
if
we
had
a
stuck
with
some
of
those
findings,
we'd
be
better
off
today.
If
we
follow
what
the
naacp
and
the
illinois
association
of
chiefs
of
police,
the
ten
tenants
that
they
asked
law
enforcement
to
ascribe
to
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
the
public,
we'll
be
in
a
better
place,
21
century
policing.
C
If
we
had
followed
that
we'd
be
in
a
better
place.
But
now
I'm
glad
that
we
have
agencies
like
what
chris
is
representing.
Think
tanks
hurt
that
challenges.
What
we
do
so
that
we
can
come
out
here
and
fulfill
our
ultimate
goal,
and
that
is
to
give
good,
clean
police
service
to
the
public
right.
A
You
know
we
had
one
one
other
question
before
I
go
to
chris
from
claire
who
had
asked:
what's
the
procedure
with
dashboard
cameras
that
are
on
the
on
the
police
department,
cars.
We
didn't
talk
about
that.
C
They
operate
pretty
much.
We
have
the
same
company
axon
cameras,
so
the
in-car
cameras
are
in
buffer.
Those
cameras
are
activated
in
a
number
of
ways.
If
a
police
officer
turns
his
lights
on,
the
camera
is
activated.
C
If
the
officer
reaches
a
certain
speed
is
activated-
and
I
think
that's
all-
in
the
interest
of
the
public
on
how
these
cameras
are
activated,
we'll
have
situations
where
officers
will
respond
to
a
scene
and
they
won't
activate
their
lights,
but
if
they
had
seen
the
speed
limit,
the
camera
is
going
to
be
activated
and
I'm
going
to
know
about
it.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
I
think,
thank
you
chief
I'd
like
to
wrap
it
up
with.
You
know
some
thoughts
from
paris.
I
mean
you
spent
an
hour
now
with
us.
Chris,
you
probably
didn't
know
much
about
the
evanson
police
department
before
this.
Before
this
conversation,
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
some
time.
You
know
in
your
work
with
the
center
for
policing
equity
any
any.
Having
listened
to
this
conversation,
you
know
any
any
strategies
or
thoughts.
D
But
I'd
welcome.
I
know
the
viewers
are
welcome
in
the
party
thoughts
and
strategies.
B
B
B
B
So
I
would
always
argue
that
the
best
route
through
the
code
of
silence
is
good.
Consistent
discipline
such
a
hard
term,
but
being
a
police
officer
in
this
nation
and
serving
the
communities
such
as
yours
is
a
privilege
not
a
right.
You
are
not
entitled
to
that
and
it
comes
with
tremendous
responsibility
and
anyone
who
violates
that
responsibility
should
no
longer
be
a
police
officer
in
evanston
anywhere
in
the
state
of
illinois
or
anywhere
in
this
nation,
and
that
will
change
the
outcome.
A
Excellent
excellent,
thank
you
for
those
parting
words
that
was
chris
burbank,
the
vice
president
of
law
enforcement
strategy
for
the
center
for
policing
equity,
and
also
having
to
be
the
former
chief
of
police
for
salt
lake
city
utah,
chief
cook
and
chief
deputy
chief
wright.
Thank
you
for
taking
time
with
us
on
a
particularly
busy
busy
day,
we'll
see
you
this
evening
at
the
evanston
city
council
meeting.
A
As
always,
I
appreciate
our
city
staff
who
work
behind
the
scenes
to
help
us
put
on
this
production
next
week,
we'll
be
back
for
this
series
and
our
focus
will
be
on
the
complaint
process
and
and
the
findings
and
recommendations
from
the
task
force
that
looked
at
the
the
city's
complaint
process
so
until
then
be
well
everyone
and
be
safe.
Thank
you.