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A
Welcome
everyone:
this
is
mayor,
steve
hagerty.
You
are
joining
our
fifth
in
a
series
of
discussions
about
policing
in
evanston.
Today
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
complaint
process
here
in
evanston
against
officers
or
any
kind
of
service
that
you
receive
from
the
police
department
and
how
that
works.
This
series
is
geared
towards
establishing
a
foundation
and
knowledge
in
the
community
about
various
operations
of
our
police
department.
A
A
Today,
I'm
pleased
to
have
with
us
several
guests,
some
of
whom
you're
familiar
with
our
chief
of
police
demetrius
cook,
is
with
us.
He
is
in
the
center
right
there
we
have
with
him
to
his
right.
A
commander
jody
hart,
who
used
to
be
in
charge
of
the
office
of
professional
services.
Is
that
what
the
s
stands
for
so.
A
Standards
standard
excuse
me
so
office
of
professional
standards
used
to
be
now
he's
the
commander.
For
the
night
time
shift
midnight
shift
really
at
the
police
department
to
chief
cook's
left
is
sergeant.
Warnock
sergeant
warnock
is
now
overseeing
the
office
of
professional
standards.
We
also
have
with
us
matthew.
Mitchell.
A
A
A
So
where
I
think
I
want
to
start
at
the
beginning
is
just
with
a
you
know,
open-ended
question
chief
or,
if
you
could
give
it
to
sergeant
warnick,
just
to
describe
to
our
viewers
the
complaint
process
at
a
high
level
here
in
evanston,
and
then
we'll
we'll
drill
down
from
there.
So
everybody's
aware
this
is
being
broadcast,
live
on
channel
16,
which
is
our
local
television
station
as
well
as
on
facebook
live.
A
D
So
I
good
afternoon,
everybody
mayor
I'll
answer
that
question
on
the
complaint
process.
So
typically
a
complaint
can
come
in
either
through
a
patrol
supervisor
could
come
in
through
our
office
either
online.
We
have
places
online
through
the
city
website.
Where
you
can
file
a
complaint,
you
can
do
it
anonymously,
leave
us
a
voicemail.
However,
you
leave
it.
We
end
up
in
taking
the
complaint.
D
D
If
it's
going
to
be
something
where
a
citizen
just
wants
to
give
us
a
heads
up
on
something
and
they
don't
really
want
to
follow
through
with
it,
we'll
still
investigate
it
the
same
way,
but
the
discipline
level
might
not
be
as
great.
So
that's
something
that
we
can
just
investigate
and
then
once
we
take
a
look
at
it,
we
put
it
back
down
to
that
officer's
supervisor.
D
They
then
take
a
look.
Do
their
investigation
review
body
body-worn
camera
speak
to
any
witnesses
whatever
they
need
to
do
to
conduct
their
investigation
at
that
point
they
send
it
up
to
their
commander.
So
that's
that
first
line
supervisor
is
typically
a
sergeant.
They
send
it
up
to
their
commander
their
commander
reviews.
It
gives
a
an
opinion
sends
it
up
to
the
deputy
chief
who
also
reviews
it
gives
an
opinion,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
chief.
D
The
chief
does
have
the
final
say
as
far
as
discipline
at
the
police
department,
so
once
the
chief
gets
it,
he
ends
up
given
his
review
of
it
and
decides
the
discipline
and
then,
from
that
point
it
comes
back
to
our
office
where
we
file
it
and
then
there's
disciplinary
action.
That's
given
to
the
officer
we
give
them
what's
called
a
disciplinary
action
form
and
we
send
that
back
down
through
the
chain
of
command.
A
A
D
Typically,
it
depends
on
which
unit.
So,
if
it's
like
a
let's
say
it
goes
to
the
traffic
unit,
there's
only
one
sergeant
and
then
straight
to
the
deputy
chief
there's,
not
a
commander
in
that.
So
you
have
two
supervisors,
but
if
it
goes
to
patrol
or
any
of
our
specialized
units
like
our
net
or
problem
solving,
which
is
the
community
leasing,
things
like
that,
it
would
go
to
the
sergeant
typically
and
then
up
to
the
commander,
unless,
obviously
the
complaints
on
the
sergeant,
then
I
would
go
to
commander
level.
A
You
meant
you
mentioned
that
officers
have
certain
rights.
Can
you
explain
explain
that
to
us,
because
I
think
there's
some
people
that
think
hey
as
soon
as
there's
a
complaint
filed?
Why
don't
we
all
know
about
it?
Why
isn't
that
public?
The
name
of
the
officer
involved
and
everything
else?
So
could
you
just
talk
to
us
a
little
about
the
the
rights
that
officers
have
and
where
are
those
derived
from
those
derived
from
labor
contracts
in
life,
those
derived
from
state
laws.
D
Yes,
sir,
there's
a
little
boat,
so
we
do
have
to
work
with
labor
contracts,
so
we
have
to
work
with
fop
contracts
to
make
sure
that
everything
we're
doing
is
following
that,
but
also
the
police
officers
are
recovered
by
the
illinois,
uniform
police
officers,
disciplinary
act,
which
is
yokota,
and
that
gives
officers
certain
rights
as
far
as
being
able
to
bring
an
attorney.
You
know
answering
questions
if
they
answer
a
question
to
us
that
it's
not
used
against
them
criminally
things
of
that
nature
and
that.
D
A
A
That
you
can
find
it
gotcha
gotcha!
Oh
thank
you
and
thank
you
matthew,
mitchell,
just
put
it
up
on
our
zoom
zoom
for
us
matt,
let's,
let's,
let's
talk
a
little
about
the
committee
and
the
work
that
you
did,
one
of
the
things
that
sergeant
warnet
just
mentioned
was
you
know
how
you
can
go
about
filing
a
complaint
if
you
have
one-
and
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations
for
changes
that
came
out
of
your
committee.
So
could
you
just
talk
a
little
about
the
committee?
E
E
There
were
nine
members
of
that
committee
and
I'd
love
to
just
shout
out
their
names
because
they
put
in
a
lot
of
hard
work:
karen
courtright
jared
davis,
joy,
anissa,
russell
peter
demuth,
jeff,
parker,
randy,
foreman
d,
vincent
thomas
and
maggie
smith
and
myself,
so
nine
community
members
and
what
we
did
was
do
an
independent
review
of
the
process
of
the
investigation
of
the
current
city
process
for
how
those
complaints
mechanically
and
bureaucratically
work
their
way.
Through
the
system
we
reached
out
to
community
members
and
stakeholders.
E
B
You
know
I
did
agree
that
you
know
in
order
to
have
more
of
an
intake
process
that
would,
you
know,
make
the
citizens
feel
better
about
coming
forth.
Complaining
was
to
decentralize
the
complaint
process,
and
that
was
one
of
the
first
things
we
did
when
I
came
here
so
now.
Not
only
can
you
file
a
police
complaint
online,
you
can
also
call
over
to
city
hall
to
the
administrative
adjudication
and
file
a
complaint
with
renee
over
there
or
you
can
file
online
on
an
anonymous
complaint.
E
A
D
D
And
I
know
and
we've
had
it
happen:
some
citizens
come
in
with
their
or
logic
complaint
with
their
their
older
person.
So
that
is
one
way
if
you
feel
more
comfortable
with
that,
we've
had
them
either
come
in
in
person
or
received
a
call
or
an
email,
and
then
we
look
at
it
through
that.
So
that's
another
route
too
that
citizens
can
take
where
they
might
have
a
better
relationship
with
their
older
person.
Okay,.
A
B
Yes,
you
don't
have
to
put
your
name
on
a
complaint,
we
will
take
the
allegation
and
take
it
as
far
as
we
can
and
during
the
investigative
process
we
may
be
able
to
determine
who
was
involved
in
things
of
that
nature.
So,
yes,
sir,
and
I'll
file
an
anonymous
complaint.
We
recommend
that,
if
of
a
police
officer,
was
done
against
you
that
you
come
forward
but
and
we
don't
encourage
anonymous
complaints,
but
we
will
look
at
it.
B
E
E
If
there's
a
sworn
complaint,
it
triggers
a
duty
by
the
police
department
to
investigate
in
a
certain
way,
so
some
police
departments
in
illinois
will
not
investigate
any
anonymous
complaint.
Any
complaint-
that's
not
sworn
evanston
police
department
does
more
than
that
minimum
required
under
the
law,
but
it
becomes
a
two
as
a
separate
process.
E
B
B
A
D
Contract
I
mean
it
yokota
is,
is
gonna
trump
that
we
have
to
follow.
You
pota,
you
know
as
far
as
the
contract
goes,
if
it's
a
formal
complaint,
there's
really
nothing
in
the
contract
that
is
going
to
allow
an
officer
to
kind
of
sidestep
in
quota,
so
the
contract
I
mean
we
do
have
to
follow
it.
But
a
lot
of
that,
too,
is
with
grievances.
A
D
That's
all
through
our
policies
and
procedures
here
at
the
police
department
and
one
other
thing
too,
on
a
formal
complaint.
An
officer
does
not
have
an
option
not
to
answer
a
question.
They
must
answer
our
questions
if
it's
a
formal
complaint,
so
you
know
if
they
come
in
here,
they're
subject
to
discipline.
If
they
choose
not
to
answer
a
question
and.
A
So
could
you
give?
Could
you
give
us
examples
of
past
incidents
where
complaints
were
filed
and
just
at
a
high
level
like
here's,
what
the
complaint
was
and
without
revealing
any
officers
names
or
anything
like
that,
because
I
know
they're
protected
by
your
personnel
laws
and
everything
else,
but
to
give
us
a
sense
of
the
amount
of
discipline,
because
I
think
what
happens
sometimes
is
our
residents
see
something
that
sure
looks
like
it's
not
protocol?
It
goes
through
the
whole
process.
A
B
The
discipline
can
come
in
at
a
number
of
levels
number
one.
What
I
look
at
when
we're
issuing
discipline
is
the
officer's
past
record
with
respect
to
discipline,
if
he's
an
officer
that
has
been
involved
in
numerous
incidents,
you
know
when
he's
issued
discipline
for
a
particular
infraction
it
may
not
start
in
the
in
a
normal
sense
of
progressive
discipline
and
progressive
discipline
is
what
commander
wright
just
spoke
of.
B
So
you
know
everybody
is
not
going
to
get
the
same
discipline
for
the
same
infraction
and
that
may
be
based
upon
prior
disciplinary
action,
whether
or
not
if
we
meet-
and
I
feel
you
understand
that
discipline
was
necessary.
You
know,
police
officers
have
a
sense
when
they've
done
wrong.
They
know
when
they
have
done
something
wrong.
If
they
wanted
to
admit
they've
done
something
wrong,
then
I
can
help
them.
A
Police
force
has
some
sort
of
infraction
you
know
of
the
policy,
and
let
me
just
let
me
just
say
before
you
answer
that,
like
we're
all
human
everybody,
everybody
everybody
makes
mistakes,
we're
talking
police
today,
but
it's
no
different.
If
it's,
you
know,
public
works
department,
fire
department,
the
engineering
department
and
all
of
that
big
difference
right
is,
you
know.
The
police
officers
have
a
lot
of
responsibility.
They
carry
weapons.
If
something
like
terribly
wrong,
you
know
somebody
could
be
seriously
hurt
or
worse.
A
So
I'm
just
curious.
Like
is
that
you
know.
Do
we
keep
those
statistics?
I
mean
in
the
the
reason
that
question
came
to
me
chief,
is
you
said
just
as
an
example,
I
said
you
know,
somebody's
got
ten
infractions,
you
know
in
their
personnel
file
and
I
of
course
went
well
ten
infractions.
That
sounds
like
a
lot
like
it
sounds
like
somebody
who
doesn't
is
is
making
a
lot
of
mistakes?
B
Yeah
first,
I
want
people
to
understand
that
you
know
when
you
say
discipline
it
covers
it
covers
everything
here.
You
know
it's
not
just
a
citizen
complaint.
It's
everything!
It's
how
you
drive
a
city
vehicle
is
whether
you're
on
time
for
work.
It's
whether
you
miss
court,
is
whether
it's
your
conversation
with
people.
You
know
if
you've
been
derogatory
in
your
conversation
with
people
that
could
be
a
source
of
discipline,
so
discipline
in
a
police
department.
B
It
covers
a
whole
spectrum
of
things
outside
of
citizens,
police
interaction
and
so
at
some
point
in
everybody's
career.
Here
you
know
our
officer,
it
may
miss
court.
He
may
have
a
vehicle
accident
in
a
city
vehicle.
You
know
his
uniform
may
be
improper
or
he
may
miss.
You
know
call
in
sick
too
many
times
within
a
certain
period
of
time.
So
when
you
look
at
discipline,
it
covers
a
whole
spectrum
of
things.
A
Well,
thank
you
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
for
me
and
for
others
that
are
listening
because
there's
you
know
you
can
get
disciplined
for
different
things.
One
being
you
know,
citizen,
citizen,
complaints
against
the
police.
If
those
are,
if
those
are
validated,
we
did
have
a
question
from
sean
who
asked
are
complaints,
so
these
would
be
citizen.
Complaints
are
complaints
against
police
officers,
public
record.
D
So
all
right,
our
complaint
register
crs
and
our
departmental
inquiries.
The
dis
end
up
going
to
now
the
cprc,
which
is
the
newly
formed
commission
and
the
results
of
that
end
up
going
to
human
services
like
tonight,
there's
a
human
services
committee
meeting,
so
those
complaints,
like
the
actual
dispositions
of
everything
from
them,
will
be
talked
about
at
human
services.
If
one
of
the
human
service
committee
members
chooses
to
ask
questions
about
it,.
B
A
E
E
E
E
Cpac
did
not
do
a
great
job
of
offering
transparency,
because
there
was
a
summary
of
an
incident
that
was
never
made
public
and
if
there
was
any
video
footage
that
was
held
in
executive
session.
So
if
you
were
just
watching
cpac
meetings,
you
really
couldn't
see
what
was
going
on.
They
would
never
get
into
the
details
of
the
complaint.
E
Unless
there
were
questions,
it
wasn't
a
transparent
process.
So
the
recommendation
was
to
create
a
review
board
that
that
met
that
transparency
requirement
and
the
city
has
created
a
new
committee,
the
city
citizen,
police,
review,
commission
and
mayor.
You
can
probably
talk
to
more
details
about
that.
A
Yeah,
so
thank
thanks
for
for
describing
that
recommendation
so
yeah
that
committee's
make
comprised
of
nine
people.
It
was
just
appointed
and
approved.
I
appointed
the
the
members
approved
by
the
city
council
about
a
month
ago.
They
just
had
their
very
first
meeting
last
week,
I
believe,
or
the
week
or
the
week
before
and.
A
One
part
of
what
they're
doing
right
now
is
just
getting
themselves
familiar
with
the
different.
You
know,
protocols
that
the
police
that
the
police
have
chief-
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
more
about
the
work,
we're
doing
right
now
to
get
that
that
board
sort
of
up
to
speed
and
then
when
they
will
start
to
hear
actual
complaints
as
well.
B
We've
secured
the
services
of
a
professor
of
law
enforcement
from
dupage
the
college
of
dupage,
who
will
come
in
and
give
the
group
training
on
the
use
of
force,
as
defined
in
the
illinois,
compile
statutes
and
then
also,
we've
worked
with
our
partners
in
skokie,
the
skokie
police
department
has
graciously
allowed
us
to
utilize
their
virtua
simulator.
It's
like
a
half
a
million
dollar
machine
and
you
step
in
and
it's
a
3d
model
of
a
use
of
force
situation.
B
B
A
B
B
A
B
E
D
No
yeah,
it
depends
if
there's
separate
investigations,
we
do
a
use
of
force
investigation
if
there's
an
allegation
or
a
finding.
When
that
use
of
force
investigation
is
done
of
improper
action,
then
typically
an
administrative
review,
which
is
something
that's
internal,
would
be
done.
If
a
citizen
complained,
you
know
the
force
was
excessive
or
something
like
that.
We
we
could
open
up.
We
could
do
a
complaint
register
for
a
departmental
inquiry
depending
on
the
complaint
and.
B
B
So,
even
if
the
citizen-
and
we
do
have
some
time
where
the
citizen
don't
come
in
we'll
do
the
cr
we'll
contact
the
citizen
and
get
their
perspective
on
what
happened.
If
they
don't
want
to
cooperate,
then
we'll
make
it
an
administrative
review
and
issue.
We
have
issue
discipline
based
on
situations
like
what
I'm,
explaining
to
you
now.
A
But
any
use
of
force
here
in
evanston
is
re.
That's
that's
that
one,
and
that
was
mentioned
absolutely
clearly
at
the
last
use
of
four
session
that
we
have
as
well.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
had
a
question
from
carolyn
at
what
point
the
citizens
who
file
a
complaint
against
a
police
officer,
get
a
formal
response
from
the
eppd
regarding
the
outcome
of
their
complaint.
D
Letter
that
would
be
after
I
was
after
cpac
or
now,
the
cprc
and
prior
to
it,
going
to
the
human
services
committee.
So
that
way
they
know
what
the
outcome
is.
We
send
it
certified
mail,
typically,
we'll
call
be
in
touch
with
the
complainant
throughout
the
process.
But
this
way
we
send
a
certified
mail
and
they
know
when
the
meeting
is
going
to
be
so
if
they
would
like
to
go
to
hsc
or
at
this
point
virtually
attend,
they
can
so
they
can
address
the
committee.
A
Okay,
so
when
citizen
police
review
commission
finishes,
that's
when
a
letter
goes
to
the
complaint
and
says
this
is
the
findings
and
disposition
of
of
this?
It's
now
going
to
go
to
the
human
services
committee,
which
is
the
elected
representatives
of
this
city
and
so
yep,
so
the
so
of
the
city
council.
So
the
person
can
go
there
if
they
want
to
object
or
make
a
state.
E
E
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
that
happens
regularly
is
there's
a
complaint.
There's
an
investigation
and
the
police
department
finds
that
there's
not
a
rule
violation.
The
police
officer
was
following
the
rules,
but
there
was
still
a
bad
interaction
and
probably
if
you
asked
anybody
involved,
they
would
hurry.
It
was
a
bad
interaction.
E
A
B
B
That
is
something
that
we
don't
do
with
the
police
officers.
We
looked
at
the
recommendation
when
we
did
it.
We
got
a
conversation
with
the
union
about
that
and
they
had
an
issue
with
with
police
officers,
mediating
a
deal
with
a
citizen
that
that
enforced
them
that
had
them
that
could
have
had
them
invoke
their
euphoria
rights
under
that.
So
we
did
look
at
at
that.
Commander
leaks
commander,
harding
myself,
and
that
was
something
that
the
union
felt
was
counter-productive.
A
And
I
know
this
resident,
I
know
chief
right
and
you
know
some
of
the
residents
too,
who
feel
like
it
would
actually
be
really
productive
right,
like
with
certain
incidents
where
maybe
policy
wasn't
broken,
like
matt
said,
but
you
know,
a
conversation
between
the
different
parties
could
help.
You
know,
heal
a
traumatic
event.
B
It
shouldn't
just
be
the
responsibility
of
the
problem-solving
team
to
push
out
problem
solving
in
in
terms
of
addressing
issues
or
or
crime
prevention,
or
any
of
those
type
relationship
building
in
the
neighborhood.
So
we're
trying
to
push
this
down
to
the
to
the
grassroots
level
here
with
the
patrolmen,
so
that
when
these
encounters
happen,
hopefully
the
police
officer,
saying
the
citizen
will
know
each
other
and
be
able
to
chalk
it
out.
A
Let's
talk,
let's
talk
a
little
about
the
actual
number
of
complaints,
so
we've
talked
about
some
of
the
process.
The
complaint
process,
how
many
complaints
either
in
2019
or
if
you
have
the
data
for
2020,
have
we
received
and
can
you
share
with
our
viewers?
You
know
what
categories
those
complaints
fall
into.
I
imagine
there's
different.
B
B
B
B
D
Okay,
so
this
I
just
want
to
clarify
with
the
the
complaint,
so
there's
formal
and
informal
complaints
and
then
formal
and
informal
investigations.
So
a
cr
comes
in
it's
complete
and
register.
That's
a
form
you
can
fill
out
online,
that's
the
form
you
can
get
from
us
and
that's
for
it
to
be
formal.
We
have
the
complainant
come
in,
we
meet
with
them
and
then
we
have
it
notarized
from
there.
We
review
it
and
the
chief
decides
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
formal,
informal
investigation,
meaning
the
amount
of
discipline
attached
to
it.
D
D
Now,
if
someone
came
in
say
they
filled
the
form
out
and
they
just
left
it
at
the
desk
at
our
service
desk
and
it
made
its
way
up
to
our
office
and
we
review
it
and
we
call
them
and
they
say
look
I
don't
want
to
come
back
in.
I
don't.
I
just
want
you
to
investigate
it.
You
would
make
that
a
departmental
inquiry.
What
we
would
do,
though,
is
investigate
it.
The
same
as
the
chief
said
before,
we
would
do
the
same
amount
of
work
on
it.
D
It
would
not
take
away
what
we
do
and
the
investigation
could
still
end
up
being
a
formal
investigation,
leading
to
more
than
three
days
three
or
more
days
of
discipline,
so
just
because
the
citizen
didn't
want
to
follow
through
with
it.
If
we
review
it
and
do
find
that
there
is
something
there,
we
will
proceed
with
it
as
a
formal
investigation
versus
informal.
A
D
A
D
Well
then,
it
becomes
either
a
cr
or
a
di.
So
then
it
would,
though,
so
if,
if
there
is-
or
we
also
review
it-
and
it
becomes
an
administrative
review
which
is
internal
and
those
do
not
go
to
the
citizen
review
commission
because
they're,
not
citizen
complaints,
they're
internal
complaints
that
are
started
by
a
supervisor
but.
B
Following
that
complaint,
I
like
to
take
credit
for
that.
I
think
that
you
know
if
you
make
people
feel
comfortable
or
they
have
a
sense
of
trust
in
the
police
department.
If
they'll
they'll
come
in
and
file
a
complaint
and
we
go
back
with
you
know
you
can
follow,
you
can
come
in.
We
had
just
a
guy
come
in
and
and
wanted
to
complain
on
the
incident
that
happened
two
years
ago.
We
take
it
and
we
go
back
and
we
try
to
find
the
data
to
substantiate
his
claim
or
disprove
his
claim.
A
Also,
all
right!
Well
I
mean
I,
I
think,
people
as
long
as
they
feel
like
there's
no
retaliation
for
complaining
or
anything
like
that
which
becomes
a
culture
you
know
of
an
organization,
then
they're
going
to
be
open
to.
You
know
filing
a
complaint
which
should
always
be
viewed,
as
you
know,
hey
if
we
did
something
wrong,
making
sure
that
person
or
group
of
people
are
disciplined,
but
they
may
be
our
organization
better.
On
that,
you
want
to
add
something
to
this
conversation.
B
The
reason
I
stopped
you
you
were
doing
25
and
a
30.
May
I
please
look
at
your
driver's
license
and
insure
when
officers
do
that
we
utilize
that
for
training
purposes
when
they
do
something
egregious,
we
have
ways
of
not
ostracizing
a
police
officer
by
blocking
his
face
out
and
we'll
utilize
that
video.
B
This
is
what
you
do
not
do.
So
I
think
body
cameras
coupled
with
in
car
cameras
gives
us
a
greater
perspective.
What
went
on
on
a
scene
and
and
the
officers
know
that
we're
going
to
be
reviewing
this
camera
these
cameras.
So
I
think
that
may
be
a
contributing
factor
to
why
some
of
the
complaints
went
down.
A
D
B
D
D
A
B
A
D
As
far
as
well,
it
depends
where,
if
and
someone
calls
the
office
of
professional
standards
and
leaves
a
voicemail
or
talks
to
us
that
says
they
don't
want
to
leave
any
other
information,
we'll
still
investigate
it,
and
it
does
go
down
to
the
first
line
supervisor.
All
complaints
go
down
to
the
first
line
supervisor
for
review
and
investigations.
D
That's
how
the
process
works
and,
like
I
stated
before
it
goes
up
to
the
commander
and
up
to
the
deputy
chief
and
the
chief
has
the
final
say
and
just
to
clarify
too.
The
opposite
professional
standard
does
not
make
any
recommendations
for
discipline.
We
just
do
a
unbiased
investigation,
so
we
compile
the
facts
and
we
send
the
facts
down
to
the
supervisor,
to
review
and
then
decide
if
a
rule
violation
is
met
and
then
they
tag
on
discipline
and
then
it
goes
up
and
the
discipline
could
get
changed
at
each
level.
A
E
The
final
recommendation
was
to
create
a
police
auditor
position.
I
think
one
of
the
overall
themes
of
the
recommendation
of
the
committee
is
to
have
more
civilian
oversight
and
civilian
involvement
in
police
policy,
so
the
auditor
would
be
a
civilian
position
that
would
audit
the
investigation
audit.
The
discipline
have
primary
access
to
the
investigation
could
potentially
guide
the
investigation.
E
C
C
C
A
So
can
you
can
you
share
with
us
matt
when
you
went
out
there
as
part
of
your
your
role
as
a
committee,
and
you
looked
at
different
cities
and
you
know
different
models
that
were
out
there?
Why
did
you
settle
on
sort
of
this
one
for
evanston,
as
opposed
to?
Because
I
still
to
this
day
of
people
coming
saying?
Oh
there
there
needs
to
be
a
completely
separate
independent.
E
Defensive
process
and
it's
duplicative
because
the
police
are
already
investigating
the
misconduct
so
yeah.
There
is
a
model
that
has
a
separate
investigation
and
generally
the
police,
under
those
models
and
in
illinois
have
to
comply,
it's
part
of
the
the
pota
and
then
they
make,
and
this
is
where
it's
different
and
then
in
chicago.
You
see
this
where
there's
a
police
board
that
administers
discipline
that
can
be
separate
from
the
police
chief,
it's
a
more
expensive
model
and
the
problems
that
we
saw
in
evanston
weren't,
egregious
enough
to
to
warrant
those
resources.
E
I
would
also
say
that
this
whole
process
never
precludes
a
criminal
investigation
into
police
misconduct
that,
if
there's
egregious
police
misconduct,
most
likely,
the
police
officer
is
going
to
get
fired.
You
know
through
this
process,
but
but
that
doesn't
preclude
a
an
outside
criminal
investigation
to
that
behavior.
A
Thank
you
for
mentioning
that
man.
I
think
that's
important
for
people
to
to
be
aware.
I
know
we're
running
up
on
on
our
hour,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
just
a
couple:
real,
quick,
rapid
responses
to
some
questions
here
that
I'll
I'll
I'll
pick
up
and
in
a
future
one
we'll
we'll
try
and
get
some
of
these
other
questions
answered.
A
B
It
could
be
if
you
missing
somebody
with
your
gun.
I
don't
expect
a
police
officer
to
be
out
menacing
the
public
with
a
weapon.
So
you
know
when
we
review
body
camera
information
or
in-car
camera
information,
we're
able
to
determine
that
right
off
the
bat.
Whether
or
not
a
officer
had
a
legitimate
reason
to
have
his
weapon
drawn
or
pointed
at
somebody.
B
A
C
A
A
You
know,
let
me
just
specifically,
then
that's
sort
of
a
statement.
I
guess
specifically,
will
there
be
more
than
letter
of
the
law
notice
of
meetings
so
that
we
may
be
aware
of
the
agenda
and
time
and
date
of
the
virtual
meetings?
I
think
this
is
getting
to
a
point
matt
made
at
the
beginning.
When
the
committee
looked
at
the
cpac
meetings
and
felt
like
there
wasn't
much
information
put
out
there
to
the
to
the
public,
it
was
pretty
mysterious
what
the
complaints
were.
A
You
know
in
terms
of
being
more
responsive
to
our
black
and
brown
communities.
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
the
citizen
police
review
commission
is
an
essential
and
important
committee
in
making
sure
that
we
are
not
mistreating
anyone
in
this
community,
but
particularly
those
that
our
police,
more
than
others,
which
can
be
pickle
and
brown
in
black
communities.
A
I
thought
it
was
important,
took
some
criticism
for
this,
but
important
that
that
committee
be
comprised
of
many
of
many
people
who
live
in
areas
that
are
policed
more
than
other
areas.
So
this
is
a
really,
I
think,
diverse
group
of
people
that
we've
put
together
here
with
a
a
wide
range
of
life.
Experiences
on
that
on
that
committee.
A
A
So
can
you
talk
so
maybe
just
if
you
can
walk
our
viewers
through,
so
we
can
understand
when
they
are
seeing
body-worn
camera
video
for
camera.
Video
from
the
automobiles
is
that
when
are
they
in
public
the
citizen
police
review
commission
when
they're
viewing
that
or
is
that
an
executive
session
how's
that
all
over.
D
A
B
B
A
lot
of
people
that
follow
these
complaints,
don't
want
people
to
know
about
it,
so
we
have
to
really
be
careful
on
how
we
go
about
putting
their
information
out.
We
have
a
dashboard
online
that
we
could
add
some
things
on
recommendation
from
the
city
council
that
they
think
we
should
put
out
and
if
that's
the
way,
it
goes.
B
That's
what
we'll
put
out,
but
just
throwing
the
whole
pot
out
there,
without
really
being
considerate
of
what
is
pertinent
to
transparency
and
versus
what
we
have
to
do.
To
protect
information
for
court
for
litigation,
whether
it's
a
tort
or
whether
it's
a
criminal
investigation
is
something
that
we
need
to
really
consider.
E
I
think
there's
legitimate
privacy
concerns
regarding
making
all
all
the
body
camera
video
public.
Where
I
disagree
with
the
chief
is,
I
think
that
evanston
should
strive
to
far
exceed
the
industry
standard.
If
industry
standard
is
policing
in
america,
I
think
the
evanston
police
department
can
do
a
whole
lot
better.
B
Well,
when
I
say
that
that
you
know
that
our
process
was
far
and
beyond
what
was
acceptable
in
law
enforcement
in
terms
of
investigation
in
terms
of
the
level
of
discipline
in
terms
of
the
different
categories
of
discipline
that
we
investigate,
we
far
exceeded
what
most
police
departments
did.
And
maybe
I
should
say
that
in
terms
of
we've
exceeded
industry
standards
and
that's
true.
A
Thank
you
thank
you
chief
and
thank
you.
Thank
you,
matt.
I
think
we
continue
to
be
a
a
work
in
progress
here
in
evanston.
I'm
pleased
that
we've
got
a
police
chief,
an
entire
department.
That's
always
looking
to
improve
in
whatever
the
area
is
we'll
continue.
We'll
continue
to
do
that.
Matt.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
leadership
on
the
as
chair
of
the
citizen
police
complaint
assessment
community
with
the
other
eight
community
members
who
all
participated
in
that.
A
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
tuning
in
today
thank
patrick
degnan
for
his
the
scenes
work
and
we
may
be
bringing
a
couple
more
in
this
series
and
we'll
put
those
topics
out
in
the
next
in
the
next
week
in
the
dates
and
when
they,
when
they
will
be
as
well.
I
appreciate
everybody's
time
in
developing
and
understanding
how
our
police
department,
here
in
evanston
evanston
works,
be
well.
Everyone
and
we'll
see
you
at
the
next
in
this
series.