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A
A
A
I
think
everybody
here
is
mostly
familiar
with
the
procedures
for
the
meeting,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
depth
on
that.
But
when
we
ask
you
when
we
call
read
your
record
into
or
case
into
the
record,
if
you
could
please
step
to
the
podium,
introduce
yourself
present
your
case
and
then
we'll
ask
questions
deliberate
and
then
come
to
a
call
emotion.
A
B
Everyone,
my
name,
is
Thomas
Solomon
I'm,
the
owner
of
Studio
tele
architecture,
and
you
may
recall
that
I
presented
this
project
last
month
and
took
under
advisement
the
comments
that
you
all
made,
which,
if
we
can
kind
of
spin
through
the
the
pictures,
I,
can
describe
those
changes.
B
Think
the
elevations
would
so
actually
one
thing
I
can
say
is
the
the
the
volume
has
stayed
the
same.
What
we
have
changed
and
I
guess
this
would
be
better
to
see
the
elevations.
B
We
have
the
suggestion
to
change
the
standing,
seam
metal
roof,
two
shingles
to
asphalt
shingles
to
match
the
existing
house.
That
change
has
been
made.
We
added
the
simulated
check
rails
to
the
casement
windows,
which
was
a
suggestion.
One
idea
that
the
owners
had
which
did
not
come
from
from
this
body
but
seemed
like
a
good
idea
in
light
of
the
tenor
of
your
comments,
was
to
change
the
basement
windows
at
the
window
wells
to
have
a
division.
Three
over
one
division
with
simulated
divided
lights,
to
fit
in
more
with
the
other
basement
windows.
B
The
materials
are
still
the
same:
the
lap
siding
with
the
mitered
corners
and
the
brick
band
at
the
bottom.
The
railing,
as
was
suggested,
was
changed
to
vertical
pickets
and
the
I
think
the
the
sticking
point.
If
there
seemed
to
be
one
I
know,
it
was
kind
of
a
collection
of
issues,
but
one
issue:
probably
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
back
at
the
the
east
was
the
concern
was
about
the
the
I.
It
was
the
transoms
really
I,
think
that's,
probably
the
that's.
The
North
go
to
the
east.
B
There
we
go
so
you
can
see
on
your
left.
What's
there
now,
no
great
loss
for
doing
something
a
little
bit
different
there.
We
think
I
think
the
concern
was
about
the
proportion
of
the
the
glass,
and
so
we
made
the
change
to
introduce
division
divisions
in
the
upper
area
there.
So,
instead
of
two
large
trapezoidal
Windows
there
are,
there
are
four
Windows
there
and
I
think
my
sense
and
I
think
Susie.
You
mentioned
this.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Questions.
A
I
do
think
that
it
very
much
took
into
account
the
comments
from
Commissioners
and
and
nicely
integrated
those
into
the
project.
So
we
appreciate
that
that
work.
If
there
are
no
questions
to
do
the
Commissioners,
have
anything
they
want
to
discuss
or
are
we
in
any
way
ready
to
make
a
motion.
E
F
Regarding
1215
Judson
Avenue,
Lake,
Shore,
District,
22
perez-0187,
we
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
Studio
title
Architects
to
construct
a
single
story:
Edition
an
open
deck
at
the
rear
volume
of
the
residence
applicable
standards
alterations
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
A
A
Your
time,
okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
new
business,
to
1404
Asbury
Avenue,
a
landmark
in
the
ridge,
historic
district,
but
it
is
for
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
remove
a
rear
elevation.
First
floor,
mud,
room
addition
and
stair
remove
a
chimney,
alter
the
fenestration
and
inclusive
first
floor,
rear,
covered
porch
and
construct
a
new
covered
entry
and
stair
wood
deck.
G
Yeah,
that's
fine
thanks
hello.
My
name
is
Gary
Shoemaker
I'm
with
Shoemaker
Design
Associates
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
our
client,
George
F,
satio
and
Stacy
Schulte.
To
present
to
you
a
project
at
1404.
sure,
Asbury,
Avenue,
sorry,
this
is
historic
home
on
Asbury,
Avenue,
I
think
everyone's
seen
it
it's
in
fantastic
condition.
We
are
very
fortunate
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
on
this
project.
G
G
There
we
go.
So
our
addition
is
the
back
porch
here,
there's
currently
a
sleeping
porch
on
the
upper
level,
an
open
deck
on
the
lower
level,
that's
partially
enclosed
by
a
mud
room
that
was
done
some
number
of
years
ago
in
an
exterior
stairs.
We've
removed
and
reconfigured
we'll
be
enclosing
the
upper
section
of
the
sleeping
porch
with
casement
windows
and
transom
Windows,
using
Marvin
ultimate
series
Landmark
windows.
G
In
order
to
make
that
a
four
season
space,
we
are
extending
the
kitchen
into
the
existing
open
porch
and,
through
that
mudroom
space
and
we're
modeling
a
portion
of
the
interior
of
the
house
over
here
to
create
a
mudroom
entrance
and
a
powder
room.
On
the
first
floor,
the
cornice
work
is
existing.
It
is
Our
intention
to
Shore
and
stabilize
that
existing
dental
work
crown
molding
and
Roof
System
it's
in
serviceable
condition
at
this
time
and
rebuild
everything
below
it,
which
is
obviously
exterior
porch
grade
materials.
G
If
you
give
me
the
next
slide,
please,
this
is
as
if
you
were
going
down
the
side
street.
Looking
back
over
the
fence
toward
the
house,
we've
taken
a
number
of
details
from
the
existing
house.
There's
a
bit
of
stone
work
which
we've
replicated
in
some
of
the
wing
walls
and
along
the
garden
walls
and
the
base
we'll
be
rebuilding
the
existing
brick
Piers.
The
skirting
the
collaborate,
siding
and
the
and
the
details
common
to
the
house
that
continue
around
the
water
table
will
continue
around
the
base
of
our
addition.
G
The
paneling
we've
taken
from
the
front
of
the
house,
which
is
the
original
porch
and
the
cornice
work
as
I
said,
will
be
retained
or
replicated
it's
actually
quite
quite
beautifully
maintained
at
this
point.
Short
of
a
few
squirrels
have
gotten
to
it,
but
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
I
think
in
your
packet.
You
can
probably
see
this
a
little
more
clearly,
but
these
are
the
these.
Are
the
views,
the
existing
ports?
You
can
see
these
windows
on
the
upper
story.
These
are
single
pane,
storm
windows,
an
exterior
railing.
G
You
can
see
the
mud
room
that
will
be
demolishing
in
the
back
and
that
small
chimney,
which
is
a
boiler
flu.
It's
not
a
fireplace
and
not
it's
a
leftover
from
a
kitchen
long
long
ago,
so
we
were
moving,
we'll
be
removing
everything
from
that
cornice
down
and
rebuilding
that
the
screening
that
we're
we're
adapting
for
this
lower
section
is
also
common
to
the
front
porch.
G
You
can
see
it
if
you
look
carefully
behind
the
Shrubbery
in
here
and
we're
taking
the
details
of
the
porch
columns
and
the
balustrade
and
incorporating
that
as
part
of
our
fenestration
in
the
spandrel
panels,
in
order
to
create
an
object
on
the
back
of
the
house
kind
of
the
next
slide.
Please,
from
the
site
plan
you
can
see
the
existing
the
existing
sleeping,
porch
structure
and
the
stair.
G
We
are
retaining
that
footprint,
we're
expanding
very
slightly
the
deck
in
order
to
gain
a
little
bit
more
space
and
entrance
into
the
into
the
breakfast
area
a
tree
planter.
This
is
a
piece
of
an
existing
patio
that
will
be
nearly
paved
and
then
a
cedar
deck
into
the
backyard,
and
all
of
these
are
low
ground
level
structures.
The
only
visible
structure
from
the
public
way
will
be
this
retaining
wall,
which
is
an
extension
of
existing
concrete
wall
that
will
be
clad
and
dolomatic
Limestone
match
the
other
Stone
features
on
the
house
next
slide.
Please.
G
This
is
the
existing
roof
plan.
You
can
see
the
the
nature
of
the
kind
of
cobbled
together
Roof,
System
and
transition
that
that
that
the
existing
deck
has
today
the
next
slide.
Please
and
then
our
new
footprint,
which
is
identical,
with
the
exception
of
squaring
off
and
cleaning
up
this
little
entry
porch
and
extending
the
stair
down
to
a
landing
with
a
wing
wall.
G
We've
Incorporated
the
wing
wall
on
the
landing
in
order
to
mitigate
some
drainage
issues
we
have
on
the
site
and
to
make
a
turn,
as
you
see,
in
the
site
plan
down
and
into
the
planting
area
in
the
landscape
space
in
the
backyard
next
slide,
please
the
the
flight
elevations,
as
you
can
see
everything
from
here
down,
coming
off
and
rebuilding
this
in
its
same
location.
So
very
much
in
the
spirit
of
the
sleeping
porch
That's
existed
on
that
house,
but
a
little
more
usable
and
a
little
more
accessible
to
the
family.
G
Okay,
transoms
encasement
Windows
I've,
described
before
these
are
all
going
to
be
all
going
to
be
Marvin
ultimate
clad
units
as
well
next
slide.
For
me,
from
the
other
side,
you
can
see
the
chimney
that's
being
removed.
This
is
that
section
of
mudroom
that
we're
reclaiming
and
extending
the
breakfast
room
out.
So
what
we've
done
is
created
a
series
of
transom,
transom,
encasement
Windows
here
and
then
infilling
the
siding
along
this
side
of
the
house,
as
you
can
see
from
this
side
of
the
house
and
from
the
site
photos.
G
The
fenestration
on
the
North
Face
of
this
house
is
unorganized
by
nature
and
was
never
was
never
clearly
organized
by
vertical
or
horizontal
delineation.
So
we've
taken
this
opportunity
to
step
this
structure
on
the
back
and
you
can
see
that
from
the
street.
As
you
look
down
the
side
of
the
house,
it
picks
up
on
the
Rhythm
or
the
lack
of
Rhythm
on
this
facade
and
blends
in
nicely
to
the
end.
G
You
can
see
it
running
around
the
rest
of
the
house
chasing
the
freeze
boards
around
the
detail,
I
described
earlier
for
the
skirt
board
and
the
collaborate
siding
the
brickwork,
we're
going
to
repoint
and
restore
a
lot
of
this
brickwork
Our
intention
is
to
match
the
mortar
joints
and
the
detailing
on
it,
and
then
the
paneling
I
mentioned
on
the
front
porch
that
we're
replicating
in
our
construction
of
the
spatial
system.
A
Okay,
any
questions
by
commissioners
and
can
I
say
thank
you.
It
was
a
it's
a
very
detailed
presentation,
so
not.
H
Still
yeah
I
have
one
question:
could
you
go
back
to
the
detail
of
the
windows
in
the
spandrel
at
the
upper
portion
of
the
porch.
H
Yeah
that
one
so
in
the
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
by
the
way
I
think
it's
a
very
nice
job,
and
this
is
just
a
question.
It's
not
a
not
an
objection,
I'm
just
wondering
why
the
spandrel
panels
under
the
central
three
Windows,
even
though
you
don't
carry
the
major
division
down,
why
they're
divided
into
much
smaller
module
than
what
occurs
on
the
sides
and
on
the
flanking.
G
G
Our
intention
is
actually
to
emphasize
those
corners
and
the
verticality,
so
creating
that
larger
spandrel
panel
on
the
outside
corners
helps
us
emphasize
those
two
outside
corners,
creating
more
of
a
structural
column
on
those
outside
the
outside
frames,
I
think
as
we
studied
in
the
model
and
looked
at
it
it
from
the
from
the
perspective,
you'll
see
it
from
the
ground
and
obliquely
I
think
it
it
will.
G
It
will
be
quite
successful,
I
think
the
flat
elevations,
don't
do
it
the
same
service
but
again
you'll,
never
see
it
unless
you're
falling
from
a
tree
somewhere.
You'll,
never
see
it
straight
on
so
but
that's
been
Our
intention.
If
you
look
carefully
at
the
proportions,
the
the
outside
corners
are
concealing.
Larger
structures
to
those
outside
corners
are
slightly
larger,
so
we've
used
that
to
emphasize
those
exterior
corners.
H
Okay,
I
move
that
we
approve
for
a
certificate
of
occupancy.
The
proposal
for
1404
Asbury
Landmark
house
in
the
rich
historic
district,
22
Prez
0-2-112
to
remove
a
rear
portion
of
the
first
floor,
mud
room
addition
and
stair.
D
I
And
what
we
have
here
is
a
two
and
a
half
story:
existing
brick
structure
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
interior
renovation,
primarily,
which
means
some
of
the
window.
Openings
at
the
rear,
especially
of
the
house,
will
be
altered.
A
new
deck
off
the
back
and
then
largely
the
existing
rear
yard
will
remain
the
same
I'll
point
out
that
there's
a
an
existing
fence
along
the
outside
of
the
house
and
a
lot
of
trees
that
provide
a
lot
of
screening
from
from
the
alleyway.
I
And
the
interior
renovation,
like
I
said,
will
be
primarily
in
the
rear
of
the
house.
New
kitchen
and
mud
room.
This
little
tone-
that's
right
here-
is
the
removal
of
an
existing
stair.
I
So
there
was
two
stairs
original
to
the
house,
the
main
stair
in
the
front
and
then
a
service
there.
In
the
back,
there
was
current.
There
is
currently
a
covered
entry
at
the
back
here,
which
we
do
not
believe
to
be
historic
to
the
original
house
and
that
will
be
removed
and
entrance
to
the
basement.
A
concrete
stairwell
will
go
down,
we'll
have
the
wood
deck
off
of
the
back
all
right
next
slide.
I
And
then,
on
the
second
floor,
where
that
stairs
to
be
removed,
we're
going
to
put
we're
going
to
rework
the
principal
bedroom
suite
the
bathroom
will
be
located
back
here
and
that
again
will
inform
some
of
our
decisions
on
the
exterior
next
slide.
I
We
see
wind
openings
that
have
a
flat,
brick,
Arch
and
we'll
see
those
in
better
detail
when
we
go
to
the
photos,
but
even
the
original
assembly
of
these
windows,
you
know
one
of
them
at
the
stairs.
You
know
jogged,
one
of
them
at
the
stair
at
the
rear.
Entry
has
been
jogged
down
for
that
entry
landing
and
the
rear
elevation.
They
are
more
a
product
of
the
Interior
requirements
and
less
of
a
formal
composition.
I
I
So
there
was
originally
existing
to
the
house
right
now:
A
bricked
up
opening
right
here
we
will
be
using
utilizing
the
existing
flat
brick
Arch
and
make
an
opportunity
to
put
the
a
window
right
here
at
The,
Powder
Room,
and
then
we
will
have
to
due
to
a
new
stair
to
the
basement.
We
will
be
infilling
brick
at
two
of
these
lower
portions
to
match
existing.
I
The
rear
elevation
we
are
taking
the
opportunity
to
bring
a
lot
more
light
and
window
openings
to
the
to
the
main
level,
with
a
double
double
hung
here
for
the
kitchen,
a
new
entry
into
the
mud
room
and
then
a
mudroom
window.
The
transom
window
that
we
see
up
here
is
a
product
of
the
primary
bathroom
Suite.
I
That's
on
the
second
floor,
and
there
was
a
number
of
considerations
that
we
had
when
we
ended
up
with
a
design
like
this
one
was
to
put
the
window
on
the
Alley
side,
but
that
would
have
been
in
the
shower
and
I
will
have.
The
owners
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
that
in
a
minute,
but
the
the
best
solution
that
we
had
for
both
privacy
and
letting
light
into
that
bathroom
was
to
move
this
transom
window
or
transom
window
over
the
sink
on
the
rear
facade.
I
I
But
we
see
that
there's
a
little
pattern
here
that
shows
that
it's
going
to
be
casement
any
other
window
on
the
first
floor
is
going
to
be
double
hung
as
we
go
around
to
match
the
existing
nature
of
these
windows
and
then
the
one
in
the
powder
room
is
going
to
be
an
awning
just
because
it
doesn't
need
to
have
that
sort
of
size
or
again
it's.
It
speaks
to
a
level
of
privacy
that
we're
trying
to
attain
for
the
clients.
I
We
have
a
leaded
glass
existing
in
the
dining
room
and
we
will
be
salvaging
that
and
placing
it
in
the
new
primary
bedroom
suite.
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
So
that
will
be
bricked
over
with
a
matching
brick
and
the
leaded
glass
window
now
locates
itself.
On
the
the
second
floor,
in
alignment
with
the
others,
with
a
matching
flat,
brick
Arch
detail,
and
then
the
basement
area
not
very
visible
from
the
street,
because
there
is
a
fence
that
closes
off
the
side
of
the
yard.
Is
your
standard
window
well
and
egress
windows
that
will
allow
the
light
natural
light
and
pen
code
requirements
and
egress
from
the
basement
area?
I
The
deck
and
canopy,
which
I
know
we'll,
probably
discuss
and
have
some
questions
about,
but
the
material
and
simplicity
that
we
are
going
for
for
the
clients,
the
canopy
will
be
clad
with
azac
trim,
so
that'll
be
a
dark
trim
that
matches
the
existing
Windows.
The
windows
are
currently
painted
in
a
dark
color
and
the
underside
of
this
canopy
will
have
natural
cedar
and
that
cedar
will
then
tie
itself
into
the
deck
and
the
existing
fence.
I
So
the
existing
fence
around
the
house
is
a
cedar
fence
and
the
planters
these
elements
we
disengage
them
from
the
house.
So
we
see
a
planting
box
right
here
and
that
has
is
clad
with
cedar
boards.
Again
it
ties
itself
in
with
the
the
fence
of
the
house
and
it
disengages
with
the
house
itself
to
be
more
of
the
yard
and
less
of
trying
to
be
a
part
of
the
house
all
right,
and
then
we
can
go
on
to
the
window.
Details
or
I
think
we
have
some
photos.
I
Yes,
so
here
we
have
the
front
of
the
elevation,
no
changes,
a
very
formal
elevation
well
composed,
and
it's
in
great
shape.
There's
no
program
that
requires
us
to
make
any
changes
to
that
here.
We
have
the
the
rear
elevation
with
that
covered
entry
overhang.
It
does
not
appear
to
be
original
to
the
house.
It
kind
of
cuts
into
this
window
right
here
and
then
we
have
the
existing
Windows
which
have
no
obvious
Rhythm
or
formality
to
them.
On
this
real
elevation.
I
Here's
looking
down
the
the
alley
side,
we
see
the
existing
bricked
up,
opening
right
there,
we're
going
to
utilize
that
for
the
new
Powder
Room
and
then
over
on
this
side
or
if
you
could
scroll
over
to
the
side
just
a
little
bit.
Thank
you
or
to
the
side
there's
a
little
more
to
the
yeah.
Thanks,
no
worries.
I
We
see
just
how
private
the
the
rear
elevation
of
the
house
is
to
the
public
right-of-way
and
the
the
side
elevation
of
the
alley
that
one
isn't
an
an
elevation
that
we
didn't
want
to
engage
with
too
many
windows
on
this
side
because
of
privacy
issues
for
the
the
owners.
I
All
right,
I
can
next
slide
and
we
will
be
going
with
Marvin
ultimate
clad
windows
with
their
supplied
manufacturer
supplied,
brick
mold.
I
It
is
a
similar
in
dimension
to
the
brick
mold
of
the
on
the
house,
and
we
will
be
setting
the
windows
back
a
similar
amount
and
having
a
limestone
sill
detail
similar
to
the
existing
house
and
then
I
have
a
Orly,
homeowner
she'd
like
to
say
a
few
words
just
to
emphasize
and
then
we'll
take
some
questions.
Thank
you.
J
I'll
add
my
name
as
well
good
evening:
I'm
Orly
Henry,
one
of
the
homeowners,
my
husband
Ezra
Hilton,
is
here
as
well.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
time
time
for
your
consideration.
I.
Imagine
some
people
might
like
to
get
home
to
the
news,
so
I'll
keep
this
brief.
J
So
Nathan
has
obviously
done
a
great
job
of
explaining
the
technical,
the
technical
aspects
of
this
I'm
just
here
to
offer
a
little
color
commentary
from
the
homeowner
perspective.
So,
first,
just
as
a
general
matter,
I
want
to
express
our
interest
in
preserving
the
historic
elements
of
the
home.
My
husband
is
a
structural
engineer.
I
am
none
of
those
things,
so
he
takes
a
personal
and
professional
interest
in
it.
J
I
just
have
a
personal
interest,
so
our
approach
in
developing
these
plans
has
always
been
to
retain
the
historic
elements
of
the
home
to
the
extent
possible,
while
also
updating
it
to
be
more
functional
for
our
family.
So
to
that
end,
we've
been
working
with
the
Illinois
State
historic
preservation
office,
a
little
bit
of
a
mouthful
and
we're
expecting
to
qualify
for
the
state's
historic
residence
property
tax
assessment
freeze,
which
is
a
program
for
homeowners
who
and
I
quote,
undertake
sensitive
and
substantial
rehabilitations
of
historic
owner
occupied
principal
residences.
J
Second,
while
I
understand
that
the
north
and
east
sides
of
the
home
are
concerned
public
because
they're
on
the
Alley
as
Nathan
mentioned,
I,
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
visibility
to
the
the
home,
especially
in
the
back,
is
quite
limited
due
to
the
fence.
That's
existing
and
the
tree
coverage,
so
the
deck
I,
don't
believe,
will
be
visible
at
all
from
the
alley
and
neither
will
some
of
the
other
elements
on
the
rear
elevation
that
are
at
issue
tonight
and
then
third
I
just
think
it's
more.
J
It's
important
to
consider
sort
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
generally.
So
our
micro
neighborhood,
which
is
really
just
a
few
blocks
east
of
here,
is
a
really
nice
mix
of
permanent
Evan
Evanston
residents,
as
well
as
students
who
are
here
much
more
temporarily.
So
it's
a
mix
of
single-family
homes
like
ours,
student,
housing
and
multi-unit
buildings,
so
actually
next
door.
This
on
one
side
is
a
house
with
six
Northwestern
seniors
and
then
on.
The
other
side
of
us
is
The
Rookwood
Gardens
Co-op.
J
So,
as
I
mentioned
that
Co-op
that
surrounds
our
building
on
both
the
North
and
the
East
sides,
it's
a
very
large
four-story
building
and
the
rear
units
have
views
directly
onto,
or
sometimes
it
feels
like
into
our
home.
So
at
times
it
can
feel
a
little
bit
like
living
in
a
fishbowl.
So
as
much
as
we
value
our
neighbors,
we
do
want
to
at
the
same
time
ensure
our
privacy.
J
So
that's
why,
for
example,
we
had
added
that
transom
window
in
the
primary
bathroom,
so
we
could
let
the
light
in
without
compromising
our
privacy
or
because
the
co-op
kind
of
leaves
lights
on
outside
all
night
to
avoid
letting
those
lights
shine
onto
us
at
all
times.
So
with
that
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
will
sign
in
I'll,
have
Nathan
take
questions.
A
E
Yeah
I
I
had
quite
a
few
questions.
I
I
mean
this
packet
doesn't
include
a
lot
of
the
types
of
like
three-dimensional,
drawings
or
renderings
that
are
typically
in
packets.
That
give
us
a
yeah
which
I
I
thought
was
a
requirement.
I,
don't
know
if,
as
part
of
the
review
process,
more
information
was
requested.
E
I
I
had
asked.
E
I
A
clarification
on
this
specifically
with
Cade,
because
I
was
looking
at
the
we
in
the
office
had
looked
at
the
requirements
and
the
determination
was
that
or
from
Kate
himself
was
that
the
three-dimensional
drawings
are
for
additions,
and
is
that
is
that
seem
to
be
in
line
with
what
you
guys
might
I.
A
Mean
Stuart,
you
were
on
the
pre-review,
so
I
I
know
that
we
have
yeah
I.
H
A
I
H
Requires
a
three-dimensional
representation
but
I
think
in
terms
of
any
discussion
of
the
canopy
which
is
held
up
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
on
a
threaded,
steel
rods
or
cables.
I
think
showing
that
to
this
group
of
people
in
three
dimensions
might
have
actually
helped
your
argument
or
perhaps
convinced
people
that
they
thought
it
wasn't
appropriate
as
a
thing
to
add
on
to
the
back
of
the
house,
but
it
it
is
in
fact
addition
that
to
to
the
rear
facade
that
has
three-dimensional
implications.
E
Yeah
I
I
don't
feel
like
the
I
mean
the
depiction
was
I
thought
of
the
rear
was
very
confusing,
and
you
know
after
the
maybe
it's
just
after
the
great
clarity,
the
last
two
presentations
where
I
knew
exactly
what
it
was
going
to
look
like
when
it's
done.
I
don't
have
much
idea
what
the
rear
is
going
to
look
like
I
mean
I,
don't
feel
any
comfort
at
all
that
I
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
I.
A
Mean
I
I
absolutely
hear
what
you're
saying
I
I
my
opinion
would
say
that
I
would
disagree,
I
think
I,
don't
think.
There's
a
significant
alteration
to
the
structure
of
the
home
and
the
additions
are
a
canopy
and
a
deck
and
a
planter
wall,
so
I
think
I
was
able
to
interpret
it.
But
how
do
other
commissioners
feel
on
that
issue?.
F
F
If
it
were
a
more
clear-cut
case
of
something
that
fit
with
the
existing
home
would
be
a
lot
easier
to
look
at
this
in
the
2D
drawings,
I
I
think,
given
the
some
of
the
modern
qualities
of
the
canopy
and
the
deck,
the
three-dimensional
images
I
don't
know
if
they
would
have
helped,
but
in
the
absence
of
those
it's
hard
for
me
to
get
past
the
the
modern
quality
of
those
two
elements.
Right
now,.
I
Yeah,
it
was
a
consideration
from
the
the
owners
themselves,
Ezra
himself
being
a
structural
engineer.
I
It
was
his
his
sort
of
note
that
we
could
go
in
that
direction
and
there
isn't
necessarily
a
precedent
with
this
house
with
any
sort
of
rear,
porch-like
structure
and
it's
a
brick
house
in
a
in
a
rather
simple
rectilinear
shape.
So
just
extending
from
that
a
simple,
eyebrow
canopy
seemed
appropriate,
especially
for
a
rear
structure,
not
something
that
is
not
that
visible
from
from
the
public
rights
again,
not.
H
Not
to
say
that
I
think
that
canopy
will
look
bad,
but
there
is
in
fact
a
precedent
because
there
is
a
covered
front
porch
you
know.
Could
you
show
us
the
elevations
again,
because
you
know
one
one
of
the
things
that
I
don't
I,
don't
know
if
they're
any
horizontal
elements
that
you
could
tie
that
canopy
into
that
would
make
it
seem
like
it
had
more
to
do
with
the
house,
even
though
it
is
a
more
contemporary
element.
Yeah.
I
I
mean,
as
we
see
it
on
the
back
of
the
house,
it
does
stick
to
a
symmetrical
format,
so
it
it
extends
from
the
house
equal
distance
from
both
sides,
and
it
does
work
as
an
organizing
element
to
all
the
windows
and
the
doors,
the
door
with
the
transom
above
it
on
the
first
floor,
so
that
assembly
of
items
to
at
least
to
our
eyes
in
the
office
seemed
balanced.
H
The
other
thing
that
John
commented
on
was
the
horizontal
window,
which
you
keep
referring
to
as
a
transom,
although
it's
not
a
window
over
another
window,
so
it
isn't
really
a
transom.
It's
just
a
horizontal
window,
and
this
is
my
personal
Prejudice
I,
don't
know
if
the
other
Commissioners
share
this
feeling,
but
I
think
horizontal
strip
Windows,
like
that
in
traditional
houses,
always
kind
of
stick
out
because
they're
not
part
of
the
comp,
the
vocabulary
of
either
proportion
or
composition
or
directionality.
That
is
harmonious
with
the
house.
H
I
know
it
puts
you
in
the
position
where
you
want
to
cover
the
lower
portion
of
the
window
with
a
curtain
or
a
shade
of
some
sort,
but
from
the
outside
I
think,
compositionally
and
proportionally
the
it
would
be
sort
of
more
a
more
sympathetic
thing
to
do
to
a
house
and
then
I
know
the
the
only
comment
I
would
have
on
the
sides
where
you're
removing
windows
and
again
this
is
a
personal,
Prejudice
and
I
know
it
is
more
expensive
to
do
it.
H
I
E
I
The
the
kitchen
range
will
be
in
that
region
on
the
first
floor,
and
it
we
saw
it
as
an
opportunity
to
take
and
Salvage
that
window
instead
of
just
take
it
out
of
the
project
altogether
and
put
it
on
the
second
floor,
and
that's
actually
a
good
point
that
that
window
itself
does
have
horizontality.
If
we
go
to
the
South
elevation,
which
is
up
two
slides.
I
There
we
go
so
that
does
have
it's
a
double
square.
If
we
were
to
utilize
some
sort
of
language
like
that
over
the
the
vanity
like
to
further
divide
that
horizontal
window,
could
the
the
opening
be
horizontal
itself,
but
the
windows
be
broken
down
into
a
smaller
subsect,
because
that's
what
we're
looking
at.
F
I
think
that's
a
possibility.
Stuart
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
the
point
of
the
brick
panel
in
lieu
of
a
window,
because
I
think
you
could
have
used
that
trick
at
that
new
rear
horizontal
window
as
well.
You
could
have
presented
a
double
wide
window,
opening
full
height
like
the
other
ones
and
then
had
a
window
in
the
upper
portion
and
a
brick
or
a
wood
panel
infill
on
the
lower
one.
E
F
And
I
know
that
you're
looking
for
privacy
and
I
respect,
that
is,
is
there
really
like
the
18
inch
to
24
inch
difference
between
those
those
two
windows
that
it
looks
like
on
the
elevation.
I
Well,
yeah,
the
the
the
horizontal
window
will
be
tight
to
the
ceiling
and
the
inside
in
order
to
get
the
vanity
and
the
the
mirror
over
the
vanity
to
to
function.
I
I
mean
the
head
of
it.
Yes,.
I
Yeah,
not
the
the
sill,
it's
throughout
the
house,
I
believe
seven
seven
feet:
yeah,
okay,.
I
E
C
Can
you
just
ask
a
question
about
your
oral,
the
owners
with
the
potential
getting
the
assessment
freeze?
Have
you
talked
to
the
state
yet
and
presented
your
plans
to
them?
Have
you
received
any
feedback
from
them.
I
Yeah,
so
the
owners
are
going
through
that
with
Susan
Benjamin
and
largely
with
like
a
light
touch
from
us,
and
do
you
have
a
progress
on
that.
J
J
Did
we
had
submitted
our
original
plans
to
them
and
I
believe
we
received
I
think
what's
called
the
preliminary
opinion?
Do
you
remember
what
there.
K
Were
a
few
comments,
but
nothing
major.
Certainly
they
didn't
really
address
any
fenestration.
It
was
primarily
focused
on
finishes
on
the
interior
trim
things
like
that
things
of
that
nature.
There's
a
fireplace
approaching
the
fireplace,
but
none
of
the
comments
from
the
state
really
addressed
the
windows
or
break
the
back
of
the
house.
Anything
exterior.
C
Okay,
the
reason
is,
is
because
I
had
some
experience
working
with
the
state
and
I
understand,
maybe
there's
different
staff
now
and
the
opportunities
I
had
it
to
work
with
them.
They
were
very
strict
about
alterations
to
the
exterior
meaning
that
you
know
you
don't
touch
it
or
if
you
have
to
has
to
be
very
compatible
with
the
rest
of
the
material
of
the
style
of
whatever
feature
you're
working
on
like
in
this
case
windows.
C
So
that's
why
I
asked
because
right
now,
you're
getting
some
feedback
from
the
commission
about
that
particular
window.
That
is
horizontal
in
the
back
and
how
you
are
also
treating
some
of
the
openings
with
break
and
so
I
just
wish
you.
You
know
the
best
to
be
honest
because
I'm
I'm
I,
don't
know
if
the
results
would
be
something
that
I
would
have
expect
differently.
C
If
you
haven't
received
any
comments,
but
that's
in
the
past,
there's
different
people,
apparently
there
so
just
wait
and
see,
because
right
now
what
the
commission
is
trying
to
address
is
meeting
the
standards
that
we
have
under
the
ordinance
rather
than
something
else.
The
other
clarification
I
like
to
make
for
your
benefit
is
that
we
don't
consider
fences
and
vegetation
or
trees
as
permanent
obstructions
to
the
view.
C
That's
why
we
review
additions
to
the
rear
from
the
alleys
and
the
Alice
also
a
public
way,
so
anything
that
is
visible
from
the
public
way,
regardless
of
the
fence
or
Landscaping,
is
subject
to
review,
but
anyway,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
were
on
the
same
page
with
the
commission
and
as
far
as
being
flexible,
I.
Think
that
the
question
is
whether
or
not
you
meet
the
standard.
C
I
think
the
commission
is
trying
to
give
you
some
feedback
that
will
help
you
to
continue
working
on
your
design.
Maybe
it
will
be
good
to
wait
for
the
actual
response
from
the
state
so
that,
if,
in
fact,
the
state
is
okay
with
the
way
you
presented,
they
are
the
ones
that
we
report
to
as
a
city.
You
know
we
are
certified
local
government
with
the
state
and
we
report
to
them
and
they
enforce
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards.
C
Historical
preservation,
which
are
very
strict
compared
to
what
we
currently
have
in
our
ordinance,
is
model
after,
but
not
necessarily
as
strict
as
the
Secretary
of
Interest
standards.
So
I
would
recommend
that
you
get
that
response
from
them
as
soon
as
possible,
so
that
we
are
sure
that
what
you're
proposing
is
not
an
issue
for
them,
but
I,
don't
know.
Necessarily
the
commission
here
would
agree
with
it.
L
I
I
have
I
would
like
to
just
follow
up
on
that,
because
I
have
had
come
conversations
with
them
about
my
own
project,
which
is
my
own
home,
which
is
also
a
landmark
very
recently,
and
they
are
much
more
strict
than
we
are
so
I
would
like
to
just
ask
really
quick
just
for
my
own
clarification,
this
horizontal
window
on
the
back.
You
showed
that
to
them,
and
they
didn't
say
anything.
K
L
C
That
was
that
clear,
yes,
I
think
in
my
opinion,
the
the
state
will
probably
require
minimal
alterations,
so
I
will
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
chair.
You
know
to
show
the
chair
whether
or
not
those
alterations
are
actually
bringing
back
the
original
design.
I
think
there's
a
fine
line
between
having
to
return
to
the
commission,
because
basically,
there
will
be
less
alterations
than
what
they're
proposing
and
potentially
could
be
done
administratively,
because
they're
asking
for
Less
rather
than
more
I,
don't
necessarily
want
to
stop
your
project
from
moving
forward.
C
My
experience
is
that
they
actually,
if
the
commission
were
to
approve
this
today
or
in
the
future
as
submitted
that
they
will
not
so
I.
That's
what
I
want
you
to
be
aware,
because
we
are
only
looking
at
the
powers
and
duties
of
the
commission
locally
under
the
preservation
ordinance
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
whereas
you're
asking
for
a
benefit
for
the
assessment
freeze.
So
obviously
we
wish
you
well
if
they
agree
with
that,
then
the
commissioner
has
to
make
a
decision.
You
know
if
they
think
that
the
horizontal
window
is
appropriate.
L
Right,
I'm,
I'm
I
just
use
the
horizontal
window
as
an
example
of
since
that
was
what
we
had
been
talking
about.
But
so
is
there
an
in
possibility
that
they
will
have
to
come
back
to
us
if
what
we
approve
is
not
approved
by
the
state
later.
L
L
C
C
C
J
Let
me
just
ask
this:
I
mean:
does
it
make
sense?
It
sounds
like
what
you're
saying
is,
maybe
that
we
need
to
deal
with
the
state
first
and
then
possibly
come
back.
C
I
think
that
if
the
state
agrees
with
your
project,
I
think
the
Commission,
in
my
opinion,
has
more
confidence
that
the
standards
that
they
are
enforcing
comply
with
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
so
because
our
ordinance
was
modeled
after
those
standards.
So
it's
a
higher
level
of
review.
C
C
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
approved
if
we
approved
as
a
commission,
that
they
will
approve
it
automatically.
It
doesn't
mean
that
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
emphasize
here
that
our
local
audience
is
what
we
are
following,
whereas
the
Secretary
of
interior,
so
that's
what
they
have
to
make
those
decisions
for
the
different
programs
they
have,
but.
E
F
H
I
think
it's
going
to
be
less.
The
other
thing
that
we
could
do
is
to
continuous
this
and
to
have
it
reviewed
administratively
after
they
come
back
for
the
state,
because
if
the
state
makes
them
make
changes
to
the
design
for
the
for
the
tax
freeze,
which
I'm
sure
they
want
to
get
yeah,
then
it
would
simplify
the
process
of
getting
the.
Let
me
make
sure
I
say
this
right:
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
if
it
was
an
administrative
review
rather
than
a
reapplication
to
the
entire
Commission.
C
I
will
say
that
it
will
depend
what
the
state
is
asking
if
it's
actually,
if
it
is
asking
to
not
make
so
many
alterations
that
are
not
compatible
with
our
standards,
then
I
think
that
Kate
and
I
can
talk
about
it
and
consult
with
the
chair,
and
hopefully
we
can
do
it
administratively.
That's
the
idea
right,
because
we
don't
want
to
stop
you
from
moving
forward,
but
I
would
be
surprised.
A
A
F
A
M
I
M
Steel,
cable,
yeah,
oh
okay,
then,
can
you
materials
and
look?
This
is
reading
here
and
the
details
a
little
bit
more
of
it
and
is
a
little
bit
more
enlightening.
But
can
you
just
describe
it
to
for
us
as
well.
I
Yeah
sure
so
it
is
a
projecting
steel
canopy
that
has
the
steel
rods
and
it
helps
to
go
to
the
rear
elevation.
I
So
we
have
four
of
the
steel
connections
and
the
canopy
centered
around
the
rear
of
the
elevation.
I
There
will
be
a
trim
element
that
wraps
around
the
outside,
which
will
be
dark
to
match
the
windows,
and
then
the
underside
of
the
canopy
will
be
Cedar
tongue
Groove,
with
some
lighting
elements.
A
So
I
think
one
thing
that
will
help
the
commission
understand
this
better.
Is
that
and
and
I
do
get
the
sense
that
the
case
is
probably
going
to
be
continued,
which
I,
don't
think
is,
if
you
continue
to
talk
with
the
state
I
think
it
will
just
all
kind
of
work
in
conjunction
with
each
other,
but
I
do
think.
A
That
will
be
very
helpful
to
give
us
some
sections
through
the
railing
in
a
section
through
the
canopy,
because
the
idea
of
doing
a
steel
rod
with
like
a
wood
cap
like
those
types
of
profiles
and
what
those
cross-sections
look
are
going
to
matter
to
this
commission
and
definitely
the
canopy
of
like
how
does
that
profile
work
with
the
elements
that
you're
talking
about
and
what
do
those
rods
look
like
I
think
that
will
help
a
lot
of
the
Commissioners
understand
the
rear
if
they
can
see
how
those
pieces
are
going
together
and
what
those
cross-sections
are.
H
C
Just
in
the
back
yeah
yeah.
L
I
We're
looking
at
the
side
elevation
that
would
be
the
guard
rail
that.
A
D
L
H
A
basement,
okay,
I
I,
think
you
understand
why
this
would
be
better
with
a
three-dimensional
representation.
We'd
understand
where
that
planter
bed
is
in
relation
to
the
underside
of
the
deck.
Is
it
directly
directly
under
the
edge?
And
then
you
know
you're
letting
light
down
into
the
space
underneath
the
deck,
because
it
seems
that
there's
a
stair
going
down
there
and
then
a
basement
window
which
looks
like
it's
been
filled
in
with
glass
block
and
I.
Think
I
think
it's
hard
to
understand
exactly
what
all
of
this
is
in
a
two-dimensional
representation.
F
E
C
If
I,
if
I
made
one
more
comment,
this
is
for
the
owners
as
well.
So
if
I
were
to
stay
based
on
my
experience
and
again,
please
just
take
it
as
a
this.
You
know
conversation
here
if
I
were
to
do
something
with
the
rear
and
that
window
there
and
you're
saying
we
need
privacy,
which
is
understandable
instead
of
having
the
horizontal
window.
C
If
I
were
to
stay,
I
will
say
why
don't
you
use
some
type
of
glass
that
is
not
clear
on
that
double
on
I,
don't
have
the
benefit
of
the
plan
where
that
window
is.
You
know
in
a
particular
location
that
cannot
be
still,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
tell
you
is
that
they
have
to.
They
have
all
the
Alternatives
that
perhaps
address
your
privacy
and
get
you
the
approval
from
the
state.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
tell
you.
E
C
F
F
They
have
more
functional
requirements
that
require
that
sometimes
there's
a
stairwell
anyway.
With
regard
to
that
rear
elevation,
it's
just
a
little
too
jarring
I
think
and
I'm
not
going
to
design
it
for
you.
It
would
be
nice
to
see
the
header
of
the
horizontal
window
come
down,
I,
don't
know
if
everybody
else
would
like
this,
but
if
that
meant,
raising
the
adjacent
bedroom
window
up
a
little,
maybe
one
comes
down
a
little.
F
F
C
D
E
D
Placing
a
window
but
they're
keeping
the
the
lintel
of
the
window
and
they're
pricking.
It.
H
H
You
know
what
would
happen
if
you,
if
you
put
the
window
where
the
toilet
is,
it
would
be
symmetrical
or
could
be
symmetrical
with
the
other
window
or
if
you
could
sort
of
reconsider
how
you
enter
the
bathroom.
Maybe
you
can
actually
flip
the
the
toilet
and
the
double
vanity
somehow
into
a
different
location
on
the
other
wall,
which
means
you
don't
have
to
give
up
an
additional
six
inches
because
of
the
plumbing
on
the
exterior
wall.
H
F
I'm
kind
of
on
the
fence
about
the
canopy
I
think
I
really
need
to
see
a
3D
view
of
that
I
I'm,
I'm,
leaning
towards
it's
it's
just
a
little
too
modern,
but
the
house
is
eclectic
and
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
obsess
over
matching
anything
and
in
that
regard,
I
I,
don't
think
I
object
to
the
deck
at
all.
It's
a
separate
entity
that
is
attached
to
the
house,
but
it's
kind
of
it
feels
okay
doing
its
own
thing.
L
So
I
I
noted
that
this
is
a
contributing
building
right,
so
the
rear
facade
of
a
contributing
building.
So
you
know
I'm,
probably
going
to
be
okay
with
the
canopy,
because
it's
the
rear
facade
of
a
contribute.
It's
not
a
landmark.
It's
not
the
the
front
facade
of
a
contributing
building.
It's
the
back
of
a
house
that
is
just
part
of
a
district,
but
what
they
were
calling
the
transom
window,
the
horizontal
that's
a
little
bit
that
that
could
be
reworked.
H
So
I
I'm,
assuming
if
you're
okay,
with
a
canopy
that
you're
okay
with
a
horizontal
steel
railings
for
the
deck.
L
I
wouldn't
I'm,
not
sure
I
would
not
feel
comfortable,
saying
yes
to
that
right
now,
with
limited
information,
but
I
am
indicating
to
you
all
that
I
would
be
I
would
not
be
opposed
to
it
as
an
idea.
Just
keeping
it
kind
of
limited
would
be
fine,
but
that
horizontal
window
could
be
reworked.
H
Can
I
ask
a
question:
you've
got
a
existing
bathroom
next
to
a
stair
and
then
a
bathroom
that
backs
up
to
that
and
you're
taking
the
fixtures
out.
Does
that
become
a
laundry
room
or
what's
what
is
that
former
bathroom
to
become.
H
Okay,
so
the
the
principal
bedroom
is
the
one
in
the
corner
and
the
whole
idea
is
to
somehow
get
a
walk-in
closet
and
a
nice
bathroom
for
them,
but
to
also
have
that
bathroom
double
in
a
pinch
to
serve
the
other
three
bedrooms
right,
because
if
you
were
to
enter
the
bathroom
from
the
principal
bedroom,
it
would
give
you
a
tremendous
amount
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
reconfiguring
the
location
of
the
other
plumbing
fixtures.
I
There's
a
sliding
pocket
door
right
here
which
creates
the
The
Suite
on
the
back.
So
this
bath
is
for
the
front
and
then
this
bath
is
for
the
the
rear.
A
I
think
we
need
to
focus
on
the
elements,
so
what
I
am
hearing
is
that
the
horizontal
window
in
the
bathroom
on
the
rear
elevation?
We
would
ask
that
you
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
if
you
can
change
at
least
like
the
elevation,
the
configuration
possibly
change.
Your
layout
look
at
those
different
options
make
it
more
compatible
with
the
rest
of
the
the
facade.
M
Think
let
me
ask
them
with
the
canopy
and
the
deck
if
we
could
see
photos
or
samples,
not
a
physical
sample,
but
an
image
of
how
the
steel
and
the
wood
are
working
together.
I
I
have
to
say
I,
really
like
the
concept
of
the
steel
and
the
wood
deck,
and
then
the
steel
and
the
wood,
Canopy
I
think
that's
a
nice
grouping
and
I
kind
of
like
how
I
don't
mind.
M
Typically
I
would
have
minded
the
horizontality
like
kind
of
just
introducing
this
really
jutting
out
horizontal
element,
but
the
fact
that
the
coins
you
know
on
each
of
the
corners
of
the
building,
have
you
know
this
on
a
step.
Stair
thing
I,
think
it
kind
of
just
plays
off
of
that
nicely,
but
I
I
think
it
would
help
if
we
could
just
see
some
of
the
imagery
like
I'm
almost
there,
but
just
a
little
bit
more.
It
would
really
solidify
it.
A
So
product
images
section
cuts
a
3D
rendering,
if
you're
capable
of
doing
that,
so
that
I
think
it's
just
going
to
make
it
smoother
so
that
people
can
understand
the
spaces
and
then
I
think
if
you
can
continue
and
if
you're.
Okay,
are
you
okay
to
come
back?
I
think
the
next
meeting
is
actually
moved
up
to
the
first
week.
A
L
Carlos
is
it
just
a
point
of
Education
I
guess
if
the
meeting
is
moved
up
a
week
and
they
have
to
submit
their
materials
some
at
some
point
before
the
next
meeting?
How
much
time
does
this
actually
give
them.
C
A
C
F
A
C
B
E
C
A
C
December,
okay!
So
if
you
submit
on
the
after
Thanksgiving
on
the
28th.
A
C
I
A
You
can
report
back
to
us
and
I
think
that
will
only
obviously
help
the
whole
process
and
okay.
So
is
there
a
commissioner
that
would
not.
D
Make
a
motion:
thank
you,
make
a
motion
to
continue.
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Sherman
Avenue
in
the
Northeast
historic
district
22
Prez
0-220
to
the
January
10th
meeting
is.
L
A
C
L
A
D
Go
ahead
all
right
summarize
what
his
email
said
so
I
don't
know
if
you've
all
included
in
the
packet
tonight
is
the
working
document
that
the
Legacy
Business
program
working
group
has
put
together
over
several
meetings
and
included
in
that
is
like
the
purpose
and
goal
statement,
as
well
as
the
eligibility
criteria.
D
But
Kate
wanted
to
to
note
that
the
section
about
financial
support
and
incentives
is
kind
of
still
more
in
a
draft
form
right
now
and
that
would
be
more
developed
by
the
economic,
develop
Development
Department
of
the
city,
but
not
the
preservation
or
planning
side
and
the
focus
of
the
the
update
is
basically
on
the
program.
Administration
section,
which
is
kind
of
as
the
program
has
developed.
D
The
commission
is
going
to
be
looped
in
moving
forward
of
like
the
progress
of
the
program,
let's
see-
and
basically
oh
yeah
here,
so
it
goes
over
the
the
Legacy
business
working
group.
D
You
know
it's
administered
by
this
group.
It's
a
permanent
subcommittee
of
the
economic
development
committee
and
basically
the
composition
of
the
group
is
going
to
be
two
members
of
the
economic
development
committee.
Two
members
of
the
preservation
commission,
a
staff
member
from
planning
and
zoning,
a
staff
member
from
Economic
Development
and
an
at-large
member,
and
if
something
to
consider
too,
is
that
the
commission
could
revise
its
rules
and
have
potential
liaison
positions
formed
for
the
two
positions
for
the
preservation.
D
Commission
on
this
working
group,
there
are
associate
members
the
ordinance
allows
for
that.
So
I
guess
that
could
allow
for
those
people
to
serve
in
this
position
and
right
now
the
working
group
is
set
to
at
its
next
meeting,
to
review
the
submissions
to
the
RFP
for
a
website
and
logo
design.
D
And,
let's
see,
there's
been
12
submissions
to
the
the
RFP
I'm,
not
sure
in
what
combination
of
who
was
because
because
you
could
respond
to
the
RFP
just
for
the
website
or
just
for
the
logo
or
both
so
I'm,
not
really
sure,
but
and
so
then
the
ultimately,
the
website
and
the
program
are
planned
to
be
launched
in
Spring
of
2023
and
there's
an
initial
list
of
32
pilot
candidate
businesses.
A
No
I
think
we're
just
excited
to
see
the
RFP
designs
and
I
think
the
next
meeting
is
next
week
and
Carl
and
I
have.
D
J
A
If
there
are
any
Commissioners
that
would
like
to
be
more
involved
in
this,
you
can
reach
out
to
cater
myself
and
let
us
know
where
Carlos.
Of
course,
if
you
wanted
to
start
to
go
to
some
of
these
Legacy
business
meetings,
they're,
usually
on
Thursday
afternoons,
there
has
been
talk
about
switching
that
time
period,
but
I
think
they
would
welcome,
as
we
start
to
dive
a
little
bit
more
into
the
financial
and
like
the
valuation
criteria.
N
Was
curious,
so
you
said
there
are
32
potential
candidates.
When
I
read
the
you
know,
business
has
to
be
20
years
or
older
and
some
of
the
criteria.
What
was
the
overall
pool
approximately?
Do
you
guys
remember.
D
It
together
and
initially
the
survey
was
I
think
we
we
initially
just
in
a
rough
survey,
found
200
businesses
that
were
at
least
20
years
old,
ranging
from
20
all
the
way
to
over
a
century,
but
I
think
that
of
the
32
it's
actually
kind
of
a
cross-section
of
the
city,
other
I
think
all
eight,
all
nine
words
are
represented.
D
There's
a
couple:
Century
old
Century
old
businesses,
as
well
as
some
of
the
younger
ones
too.
So
it's
kind
of
a
and
then
also
types
of
businesses.
I
mean
there's
everything
from
a
funeral
home
chocolate.
A
L
A
So
there's
the
nomination
forms
for
them
to
nominate
themselves.
Obviously,
we've
reached
out
to
these
initial
32
I.
Think
to
ask
for
working
group
there's
been
some
strong,
like
you
know,
supporters
from
that
working
that
initial
32
and
beyond
that
and
council
member
Kelly
has
been
very
active
in
getting
that
word
out
and
talking
to
a
lot
of
the
businesses
in
in
the
city.
So
I
think
that
there's
a
been
a
lot
of
energy
into
the
program
and
it's
been
getting
like
well.
D
And
one
of
the
I
think
one
of
the
things
too,
that
one
of
the
businesses
brought
up
was
this
idea
of
a
mentorship
program
so
that
some
of
the
older
businesses
that
have
been
around
and
are
more
established
can
serve
as
a
mentor
for
some
of
the
younger
businesses
that
maybe
aren't
even
considered
Legacy
yet
or
or
some
of
the
younger
Legacy
businesses
as
well.
So
yeah.
A
A
So
with
that,
if
there's
no
other
questions
on
the
Legacy
business
program,
why
don't
we
move
into
the
discussion
items
and
we'll
talk
about
The,
Preserve,
2040
long
range
plan,
Sarah,
I'm
gonna?
Why
don't
you
maybe
update
on
the
Cade
made
some
changes
from
what
was
sent
last
time
and.
A
He
made
a
couple
notes
of
what
specifically
he
changed
just
so
that
everybody
can
be
up.
He
also
mentioned
that
if
we
can
talk
about
it
today
and
then
possibly
I
think
aim
for
December's
meeting
to
put
it
I
think
that
is
the
ideal
timeline
for
the
the
long
range
plan
so
Sarah.
You
want
to
go
ahead
and.
L
So
I'm
just
reading
from
Cade's
note,
so
there
were
two
big
changes
between
the
last
time.
You
all
saw
it,
and
now
one
was
the
added
descriptive
content
under
each
initiative,
which
further
explains
what
is
being
proposed.
This
was
something
that
you
know.
We
asked
him
to
do
and
it
helps
with
implementation.
His
comment
is
leaves
less
room
for
individual
interpretation,
which
I
I
think
is
helpful.
He
if
you
read
those
they're.
Actually
you
know
it's
not
like
one
sentence.
L
It's
like
a
full
paragraph
for
each
one
and
I
think
my
sense
of
it
and
Carl
I.
Think
since
you
were
in
the
room
when
we
were
talking
about
each
one
of
these,
but
my
sense
of
it
was
that
K
did
a
very
good
job
of
summarizing
the
conversations
that
we
were
having
Stuart.
You
were
there
for
part
of
that
too
the
discussions
of
these
initiatives,
so
that
was
my
sense
of
it
and
then
number
two
was
a
revised.
L
He
revised
the
implementation
timeline
for
the
initiatives
to
create
a
more
what
he
called
scaled
and
realistic
implementation
timeline,
which
I
agree,
and
then
he
added
a
chart
in
the
last
page.
That
shows
the
division
between
the
commission
and
other
entities
which,
if
you
just
go
all
the
way
down
to
the.
L
Yeah,
so
so,
with
this
chart
here
with
the
Yellow
Boxes,
that's
showing
you
know
the
time
frames
and
so
on
and
then
all
the
way
at
the
end,
just
above
this
picture
about.
C
L
Suggested
by
the
plan,
but
not
necessarily
going
to
be
within
the
sort
of
framework
of
what
we
are
doing,
he
says
the
previous
timeline
was
very
front
heavy
and
aggressive
in
this
approach.
This
is
more
balanced
and
realistic.
It
does
have
a
kind
of
nice
shape
to
it,
where
the
first
bar
on
the
or
column
on
the
graph
is
ongoing.
L
So
really
what
you're
looking
at
is
the
second
one
here
and
it
starts
off
a
little
strong
and
then
kind
of
even
you
know
kind
of
goes
down
and
then
climbs
up
again
for
all
of
us,
so
it's
pretty
reasonable,
showing
that
we
are
considering
the
limited
volunteer
capital
of
the
commission.
One
other
important
note
is
that,
although
the
implementation
timeline
changed,
the
priority
levels
agreed
upon
by
the
subcommittee
members
did
not
change.
L
C
So
in
the
chart
you
you'll
see
the
different
initiatives
with
different
timelines
and
I
did
extreme
right.
You
will
see
the
priority
depending
on
the
initiative,
it's
low
or
high
or
medium,
and
then
at
the
top.
You
see
the
one
to
three
years,
three
to
five
five
to
ten
ten
years
plus
and
then
here
who
is
responsible
for
in
the
initiative.
So
it's
a
combination
of
sometimes
two
groups
or
more
or
just
the
commission
itself.
C
An
interesting
thing
is
that
the
the
ongoing
initiatives
are
attainable
because
obviously
we're
working
on
them
on
a
monthly
basis
and
the
other
ones
that
are
in
the
high
priority.
You
know
some
of
them
are
not
immediate,
probably
takes
time
to
get
those,
but
overall
I
think
it's
a
like,
like
he
says
it's
a
balance
or
better
balance
timetable
and
there
will
be
an
evaluation
for
the
commission.
You
know
maybe
a
yearly
of
evolution
to
see
where
you
are.
C
You
know
what
the
challenges
you
have
and
whether
or
not
there's
any
alterations
to
the
timeline,
because
things
happen
that
are
out
of
control
that
need
to
adjust.
So
it's
a
flexible
as
well.
It's
not
seven
Stone
necessarily,
but
it's
a
good
plan.
N
A
quick
question
about
priorities
and
things
and
first
I've
I've,
been
absent.
The
last
couple
months
and
so
I
haven't
had
the
chance
to
say,
as
I've
been
watching
from
afar.
This
is
like
a
fabulous,
huge
amount
of
work
and,
and
it's
been
really
well
put
together,
but
on
the
priorities,
things
that
have
other
partners.
You
know
the
city,
your
Consultants
or
whatever
list
is
the
responsible
party.
Do
we
have
any
way
of
knowing
if
their
prior
priority
level
on
these
things
is
similar
to
our
priority
level?
L
Not
as
far
as
I
know,
this
was
the
responsible
party
was
added
so
that
it
was
clear
that
the
commission
was
not
intending
on
doing
all
of
these
that
this
was
not
our
work
plan.
It
was
a
plan
for
the
city
overall
now
whether
these
the
responsible
parties
that
are
listed
here
are
going
to
come
to
it.
In
that
same
way,
it's
not
clear
to
us.
So
as
far
as
I.
D
Know,
I
Carl
think
that
the
last
time
Cade
presented
this
to
us
I
think
he
did
say
that
he
has
had
a
couple
meetings
with
the
like
the
History,
Center
or
or
design
Evanston
or
any
of
those
other
organizations.
I,
don't
know
if
he's
formally
asked
them.
You
know.
Are
these
the
same?
You
know
priorities
but
yeah
I
guess
he
started
to
meet
with
these
organizations
about
this.
So
yeah.
L
Sorry
I
should
have
been
more
clear
it.
They
did
not
come
to
our
meeting
and
like
sit
with
us
and
talk
about
it.
I
thought,
I'm.
Sorry,
I
thought,
that's
what
you
were
asking.
L
I
can
I
ask
a
question:
did
any
of
these
people
submit.
C
To
answer
your
question:
Alexa
I've
been
working
with
the
History
Center,
the
wctu
short
front
preservation,
League
of
Evanston
and
as
a
Consortium,
we're
trying
to
put
together
this
group
so
that
we
can
all
help
each
other
in
our
goals
and
initially
the
primary
motivation
was
to
develop
some
type
of
award
program.
C
That
would
not
be
just
the
preservation
commission
doing
the
design
and
preservation
Awards,
but
something
that
will
involve
a
good
cross-section
of
the
community
and
they
had
responded
in
a
positive
way,
we're
just
kind
of
trying
to
find
our
ways
with
how
we're
going
to
work
as
a
conservation
with
that
it's
already
tying
our
hands
from
one
to
another.
So
everybody
is
free
to
do
what
they
want
to
do,
but
at
the
same
time
we
will
support
each
other.
C
So
Kay
has
shared
the
preservation
2040
with
them
and
ask
for
comments
as
well,
at
least
in
two
occasions,
and
he
has
received
some
comments,
not
from
everybody.
But
my
understanding
is
that
they're,
okay,
with
the
plan,
they
have
not
submitted
anything
saying.
No.
This
is
not
working
for
us.
C
As
a
matter
of
fact,
maybe
they
make
comments
to
enhance
or
improve
certain
things,
rather
than
not
so
as
I
get
into
this
Consortium,
but
more
and
more
I
think
we
would
like
to
recruit
also
design
Evanston
and
the
Mitchell
Museum
and
any
other
organization
that
might
be
interested
right
now,
we're
in
the
Inception
of
trying
to
figure
out,
for
instance,
if
we're
going
to
do
the
awards
program.
What
would
that
mean
for
these
organizations?
You
know?
Maybe
we
can
have
a
program
that
is
either
every
year
or
every
other
year.
C
C
So,
yes,
this
has
been
shared
with
them.
I
have
not
received
comments
that,
were
you.
J
A
I
think
if,
if
my
memory
serves
me
right
on
that
email,
I
think
Kade
was
hoping
that
any
additional
comments
that
Commissioners
may
have
between
now
and
our
December
meeting
regarding
the
long
range
plan
get
directly
sent
to
him,
he
will
incorporate
them
review
and
incorporate
and
then
I
think.
The
hope
is
is
that
in
December
we
can
move
forward
on
this
and
and.
A
Put
it
into
place
so,
if
Commissioners
have
any
thoughts
on
that,
if
that
seems
okay
good,
then
we
can
get
it
addressed
before
the
end
of
the
year.
I
think
that
that's
good
timing,
I
think
it's
very
well
done
so
I
think
it
will
be
a
great
asset
for
everyone.
That's
on
the
commission
now
and
to
be
on
the
Commission
in
the
future
future
years.
So.
L
A
L
To
I
wanted
to
just
speak
to
that
really
quickly.
The
the
timeline
for
this
is
such
that,
basically,
almost
all
of
us
will
not
be
on
the
commission.
You
know
in
what
10
plus
years
so
these
paragraphs
that
Cade
added
are
really
helpful
as
a
kind
of
institutional
knowledge
statement
going
forward
and
I
thought.
You
know
if
you
all
have
a
chance
to
look
at
those
and
read
them
and
comment
on
them.
That
would
be
because
they're
you
know
new.
L
That
would
be
pretty
helpful
because
those
might
end
up
being
kind
of
crucial
in
five
years.
From
now.
C
If
I'm
mad
to
what
you're
saying
Sarah
I
think
this
is
basically
the
legacy
of
this
current
commission
to
Future
commissions.
If
you
adopt
this
plan,
other
commissions
will
take
the
mantle
and
hopefully
follow
through.
So
it's
a
very
important
document.
C
We
didn't
have
one
since
the
80s,
which
was
almost
100
done,
which
is
a
good.
You
know
a
good
comment
for
the
commission.
It's
a
very
challenging
job
that
what
you
have
in
my
opinion,
not
everybody,
concurs
all
the
time.
There's
always
all
kinds
of
opinions
about
what
is
Preservation.
What
should
be,
but
I
think
that
this
this
commission
has
persevered
and
it
has
provided
excellent
feedback
to
the
community.
C
You
can
see
the
results
of
the
commission's
work
and
I
think
as
the
biggest
return
for
a
very
modest
investment,
meaning
that
you
are
volunteers.
I
was
looking
at
the
time
that
I've
been
working
with
the
city.
I
think
we
probably
will
be
about
at
the
minimum.
6
000
projects
could
be
90.
9000
projects
I
mean
being
modest
about
that
from
administrative
to
food
commission.
So
you
have
a
great
legacy
in.
E
A
There
are
no
other
discussion
topics.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
real
quick
Carlos
is
when
what
is
the
timeline
for
the
character,
District
information
when
we
went
through
the
downtown?
Oh.