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A
A
22
Evanston
preservation,
Commission
meeting
we
have
a
quorum
of,
we
have
11
or
eight
Commissioners
present,
so
we
have
a
quorum.
It
is
702
pm
and
I'm
just
briefly
going
to
go
through
the
meeting
procedures.
I
know,
most
of
you
here
probably
are
already
familiar
with
these
procedures,
but
we
have
three
cases
on
the
agenda.
Staff
will
read
the
case
into
record
and
then
we
will
ask
the
presenter
to
please
step
up
to
the
podium,
introduce
yourself
and
then
you
can
present
your
application
to
the
commission.
A
I
believe
there
is
a
pointer
and
a
remote
at
the
podium
to
help
you
guide
through
your
presentation.
A
The
Commissioners
will
then
ask
questions
for
your
presentation,
which
then
you
obviously
can
respond
to,
and
then
we
will
ask
for
any
public
comment
and
then
we'll
ask
you
to
take
your
seat
and
the
commission
will
deliberate
and
we
will
eventually
call
a
motion
for
either
to
approve,
not
approve
or
continue
the
case.
B
Paul
W,
Davis,
owner
and
applicant
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
home's
fenestration
at
the
north
and
west
elevations,
remove
a
chimney
to
the
roof
line,
infield
a
partially
enclosed
recessed
porch
at
the
home's
west
elevation
and
construct
a
wood
frame,
deck
of
the
home's
rear
volume
and
I.
Think
your
architect
is
here.
Douglas.
Are
you
here
step
up
to
the
podium
and
then
you
can
direct
me
to
go
through
the
slides
here,
they're,
the
same
materials
that
you
sent
me.
C
C
Okay,
just
in
case
good
evening,
my
name
is
Douglas
Hammond,
I'm
I'm,
an
architect
here
in
the
suburbs
working
with
homeowners,
Paul
Indiana,
dove
Davis
and
our
interior
designer
Denise
Hauser
is
also
here.
C
Our
clients
are
asking
to
do
a
remodel
of
their
kitchen
in
the
Northwest
Quadrant
of
their
residence,
which
today,
unfortunately,
has
a
large
chimney
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
it,
and
and
requires
that
we
do
a
lot
of
circulation
around.
It
creates
a
couple
of
secondary
paths
around
a
otherwise
very
small
kitchen,
so
our
interior
designers
come
up
with
a
really
nice
layout
that
creates
an
island
in
the
middle,
removes
the
chimney
from
the
center
of
that
space
and
creates
a
norm.
A
more
modern,
large,
open
plan,
type
of
kitchen
in
that
same
quadrant.
C
So
one
of
our
first
asks
will
be
the
removal
of
an
ancillary
chimney
towards
the
back
of
the
house.
There
is
a
decorative
double
chimney
on
the
front
of
the
house
that
has
a
double
clay,
fluted
or
fluted
clay
decorative
cap
on
it.
That's
obviously
part
of
the
initial
original
design,
the
one
that
we're
looking
to
at
removing
has
a
small
metal
cap.
It's
it's
obviously
a
very
secondary
or
ancillary
type
of
detail
on
that.
So
it's
it's!
C
You
can
see
kind
of
the
top
elevation
that
the
comparison
of
the
two
that
the
one
on
the
right
is,
the
one
that
we're
asking
to
be
removed.
C
Also
on
that
on
that
North
elevation,
which
is
the
top
drawing
faces,
I'm
sorry
Paul.
What
street
is
that.
C
Greenwood
this
faces
Greenwood,
the
front
of
the
house,
faces
Asbury,
and
it's
at
the
it's
a
corner
lot
at
that
intersection.
So
the
two
two
windows
in
the
the
kitchen
area,
which
is
the
right
side
of
the
center
or
the
ground
level
plane
of
this
facade,
are
about
30
inches
off
the
floor.
C
The
sill
is
about
30
inches
off
the
floor
and
a
standard
countertop
is
about
36
inches
off
the
floor
today,
there's
a
countertop
that's
below
or
above
the
the
sail
height,
so
that
drops
considerably
where
there's
a
space
that
things
just
sort
of
fall
into,
and
you
can
also
see
the
the
countertop
from
the
outside
of
the
house.
Our
our
next
task
is
that
those
windows
be
replaced
generally
in
kind,
but
just
raising
that
that
sill
height
from
about
30
inches
to
40
inches.
C
So
we
can
get
it
just
above
the
countertop
and
maintaining
sort
of
the
configuration
and
everything
of
the
existing
windows,
but
making
that
work
for
the
the
kitchen
both
from
the
inside
and
and
the
outside
of
the
building.
C
And
then,
as
we
go
to
the
the
rear
of
the
house,
which
is
the
West
facade,
faces
the
neighbor's
garage
just
a
few
feet
away,
there's
presently
a
a
pocket.
C
A
porch
That's
has
a
balcony
that
or
stared
in
A
Balcony
that
comes
up
to
it
in
excuse
me
in
reconfiguring
the
kitchen
we're
looking
at
taking
that
porch
space
because
again
we're
looking
at
a
series
of
small
spaces,
creating
a
a
mud
room
in
that
space
and
then
taking
the
current
mud
room,
which
is
very
small
and
creating
a
little
bit
larger
Pantry
in
that
space.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
we
have
a
floor
plan
here,
I
don't
know
if
it
matters,
but
the
the
reconfiguration
picks
up
a
little
bit
of
square
footage
by
by
picking
up
that
very
narrow
porch.
It's
too
small
to
put
furniture
on
it
really
doesn't
get
used
at
all.
So
we're
asking
to
move
that
wall
out,
replace
generally
two
windows
in
kind
and
a
door
in
kind
again,
just
moving
them
out
to
the
outer
plane
and
then
in
order
to
get
the
stair
Landing
to
work
and
the
door
to
work.
C
We
need
to
extend
the
the
deck
and
the
banistered
balustrate
a
short
distance,
so
we
balance
the
windows,
the
doors
and
sort
of
the
relationship
of
everything
on
on
that
facade,
again,
that's
the
rear
of
the
house
that
faces
the
neighbors.
It
is
visible
slightly
from
the
street,
so
we're
addressing
it
as
part
of
our
design
and
I.
Think
that's!
That's
it
really
for.
C
It
oh
and
then
yeah,
there's,
there's
presently
just
I
believe
they're
all
fixed
windows
or
the
or
the
casement
like
this.
Okay,
the
casement
windows
but
they're
they're
large.
These
were
added
in
the
1990
I
believe
or
at
least
in
the
1990s
that
whole
addition
that
sunroom
Edition
was
added.
It's
not
really
in
context
with
the
rest
of
the
house,
but
we
are
asking
to
take
those
six
windows
and
put
in
either
casement
or
double
hung
or
even
fixed
windows.
That
would
have
that
Center
divider.
A
I
have
actually
one
question
one
quick
question,
so
you
have
the
one
over
one
lights,
for
the
sun
room
and
for
the
windows
that
you're
doing
on
the
North
and
then
I
noticed
at
the
porch
on
the
west
you're
doing
a
vertical
simulated
divided
light
to
get
the
two
over
two.
It
seems
like
those
are
the
only
windows
on
the
home
that
have
that
configuration.
Was
there
a
reason
behind
doing
choosing
to
do
that.
There
yeah.
C
Yeah
actually
they're,
not
the
only
ones
that
you
can
see
on
the
North
facade
that
that's
a
two
over
two
in
the
kitchen.
So
when
it
went
in
the
kitchen
today,
there's
only
four
Windows
one
of
them
on
the
North
and
one
of
them
on
the
west
has
that
two
over
two
divide.
C
I,
believe
our
drawing
is
incorrect
in
the
representation
of
that.
But
we're
just
picking
up
on
that
two
over
two
on
the
larger
scale
windows,
and
it's
specifically
in
the
kitchen,
where
we're
dealing
with
the
end
of
Corridor
sight
lines
and
things
where
it
becomes
a
little
more
intricate
and
focused.
D
Hello
for
the
rear
of
the
elevation
with
the
newer
I
think
of
the
solarium.
Is
there
any
scope
of
work
for
the
two,
but
appears
to
be
glass
block
windows
on
either
side
of
the
fireplace?
Is
there
a
scope
for
those
as
well.
D
E
Yes,
hi
the
the
windows
that
we
were
just
speaking
of
with
the
the
six
and
then
the
two
little
ones.
Those
are
casements
now
and.
C
A
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
why
don't
you
take
a
seat
and
we'll
deliberate,
probably
fairly
quickly
here,
so
anything
Commissioners
would
like
to
discuss
on
this
case.
G
The
windows
on
the
in
the
that
are
in
the
kitchen
now
are
the
two
over
two
they're
large
windows,
and
they
are
original.
That's
why
we're
copying
them.
A
E
Sure
regarding
1334
Asbury,
Avenue
landmark
and
the
ridge
historic
district
case,
22
pres0189.
H
E
Sorry,
dovia
Davis,
owner
and
Advocate
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
home's
administration
at
the
north
and
west
elevations
Reuben
ancillary
chimney
to
the
roof
line
and
fill
the
partially
enclosed
recess
porch
at
the
home's
west
elevation
and
construct
a
wood
frame
deck
at
the
home's
rear
volume.
I
move
that
we
approve
as
submitted
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
ten
and
12-13
is.
A
E
B
1215
Judson
Avenue
in
the
Lakeshore
historic
district,
22
pre-s0187,
Studio,
Tallow
Architects
applicant
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
single
story.
Addition,
an
open
deck
at
the
rear
volume
of
the
residence
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
five,
seven
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen
I,
think
I
saw
Thomas
there.
He
is.
I
Good
evening,
so
I
am
Thomas
Solomon,
the
owner
of
Studio
tele
architecture
and
the
architect
for
this
Edition
at
12,
15
Judson.
The
project
is
a
zoning
compliant
Edition.
It's
a
very
straightforward
project
from
a
preservation
point
of
view,
because
there
are
basically
no
changes
to
the
existing
home,
we're
removing
a
small
wood,
rear,
stair
and
a
concrete
patio
and
replacing
it
with
a
one-story
addition
with
a
pitched
roof.
The
roof
is
412
that
matches
the
roof
pitch
of
the
of
the
front
porch.
I
The
side
entry
is
reconfigured
on
the
interior,
no
changes
to
the
exterior
to
create
a
mud
room
with
a
little
bit
of
storage.
The
materials
are
wood,
lap,
siding
to
match
the
existing,
including
mitered,
Corners,
aluminum,
clad,
Marvin,
ultimate
windows
and
the
roof
is
a
standing
seam
metal
roof.
It
also
includes,
as
you
can
see
there,
the
the
deck
with
composite
decking
and
steel,
steel,
railings.
I
A
I
I
guess
one
thing:
it's
obvious
from
looking
at
it,
but
I
forgot
to
mention
that
the
the
base
of
the
Edition
is
Brick
and
carries
around
the
brick.
That's
at
the
front
of
the
house
with
a
water
table
that
matches
the
existing
in
terms
of
its
size.
J
I
Well,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
an
addition
and
the
what
we
wanted
to
make
reference
to
the
front
of
the
house.
We
didn't
want
to
repeat
it,
so
we
have
a
different
roof
material
and
one
of
the
priorities
for
the
project
really
is
to
have
a
better
connection
to
the
backyard.
Thus,
the
the
windows
and
a
more
a
more
open
railing
system.
K
Yeah
I
would
I
would
describe
the
vocabulary
of
the
Edition
as
Miss
mid-century,
modern
and
I'm
wondering
why
you
didn't
look
for
more
elements:
Beyond,
The
Brick
and
the
wood
siding
to
refer
back
to
the
scale
and
the
character
of
the
existing
house.
For
instance,
the
two
windows
which
are
over
the
the
counter
for
the
sink
are
awning
windows
and
I.
K
Understand
that
because
Reaching
Across,
the
counter
to
try
and
lift
a
double
hung
is
difficult
to
do,
but
I'm
wondering,
for
instance,
why
you
wouldn't
add
a
horizontal
mutton
to
scale
them
and
subdivide
them
like
the
two
double
hung
windows
in
that
same
Zone
on
the
house
and
I
would
say
the
same
thing
about
the
windows
and
the
other
side.
Is
there
some
reason
why
you
chose
not
to
do
something
that
simple.
I
Sure,
well,
as
you
all
know,
every
project
is
a
collaboration
between
the
designer
and
the
owners,
and
so
that
something
that
was
important
to
the
owners
was
to
have
as
much
light
and
openness
and,
in
fact,
the
interior
character
of
the
kitchen
will
be
be.
Modern,
it'll
it'll
feel
like
a
kitchen
from
the
21st
century
and
so
having
a
false
check.
Rail
just
didn't
seem
to
fit
with
that
interior
and
because
we
were
doing
punched,
openings
and
matching
all
of
the
materials
in
the
trim
we
felt
like
it
was.
D
D
D
D
E
Hi
Thomas,
similar
to
commissioner
Cohen's
question
I
I
I'm,
looking
at
the
the
detailing
of
the
addition
and
I'm
going
to
guess
that
the
windows
above
the
doors
were
largely
client
driven
in
terms
of
more
openness,
Etc
and.
I
I
Yeah
there's
clearly
a
transition
at
the
back
of
the
house.
You
know
the
sides
have
the
same
materials
as
the
size
of
the
existing
home
and
the
proportions
of
the
openings
are
the
same,
but
a
little
bit
different
right,
because
we
don't
have
the
check
Rail
and
by
the
time
you
get
around
to
the
back.
The
roof
pitch
matches
the
front,
but
it's
it
reflects
their
needs.
It
reflects
the
the
needs
of
the
owners.
K
So
what
I
mean?
Why
are
you
concerned
about
matching
the
roof
pitch
when
you
don't
see
those
pitches
together,
whereas
you're
not
concerned
about
continuity
between
the
divisions
in
the
windows,
where
in
instances
where
you
do
it,
in
fact,
visually
see
that
relationship.
I
We
hit,
we
looked
at
a
number
of
options
from
very
modern
and
flat
to
you
know,
moving
the
windows
on
the
second
floor
to
get
a
pitch
that
would
be
greater
where
we
landed
was
I.
Think
a
really
nice
balance
between
reflecting
some
part
of
the
house,
which
is
the
pitch
of
the
front
porch
and
providing
the
airiness
that
they
wanted
in
the
space
without
disrupting
existing
windows.
On
the
second
floor,
which
a
steeper
pitch
would
have
done.
B
I
have
a
quick
question:
what
was
the
the
decision
process
for
one
side
extending
into
the
side
yard
beyond
the
side,
elevation
of
the
home
and
the
other
side
being
inset?
It's.
I
Strictly
zoning
to
get
the
a
kitchen
that
works
with
the
family
room,
the
proportions
that
work
well
with
the
side
setbacks
that
we
had
the
existing
home.
Doesn't
you
know
it
doesn't
meet
the
the
setbacks?
So
the
the
addition,
the
Edition,
does.
L
Can
you
go
back
to
the
3D
drawings,
please.
L
L
I
So
the
items
under
construction
were
one
through
eight
ten
through
fifteen.
The
addition
has
a
compatible
height
is
the
first
first
item,
the
proportions
of
the
facade.
We
felt
made
sense
with
the
existing
house.
K
I
If
we
I
think
that
the
proportions
of
the
facade
given
the
mass
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
are
you
can
see
that
there's
two
windows
in
a
rectangle
and
we
have
two
windows
and
a
rectangle,
so
I,
guess
that's
what
it
meant.
I
The
Rhythm
I'll
see
those
so
that
was
the
third
Point
under
construction.
The
proportions
of
the
openings,
the
rhythm
of
solid
to
void,
it
seems,
seems
to
work.
The
rhythm
of
volume
to
adjacent
volumes
doesn't
seem
to
be
particularly
relevant,
the
volume
of
entrances
and
porches.
It's
not
it's.
It's
an
addition.
It's
not
new
construction.
I
So
that's
a
little
bit
different
relationship
of
materials
and
textures
item
8
under
new
construction,
where
we're
pretty
much
with
the
exception
of
the
roof,
matching
them
yeah
number
10
the
stay
scale
of
the
structure.
I
It's
you
know
similar
to
the
the
front
porch,
it's
not
dwarfing
the
house.
It
doesn't
look
oddly
small
next
to
the
house.
In
my
opinion,
that's
number
10
scale
of
the
structure,
number
11.
the
directional
character.
So
it's
it's
not
like.
We've
got
a
a
prairie
house
that
we're
doing
a
vertical
addition
to.
It
seems
like
the
the
eve
line
carries
across
like
it
does
on
the
front
porch
number
12
we're
not
disturbing
the
presence
of
distinguishing
distinct,
distinguishing
qualities.
I
K
I
It
there
is
an
alley
so
again,
technically,
if
you
look
between
the
garages,
you
can
see
it
yep,
so
yeah
the
proportions
of
the
openings.
Obviously
those
are
bigger
doors
and
windows
than
on
the
rest
of
the
house.
Our
interpretation
of
the
addition
was
once
you
get
to
the
back,
it's
more
like
a
porch.
So
that's
why
we
have
the
the
larger
openings
that
kind
of
refer
back
to
the
front
porch,
where
you
have
the
big
open
spaces
between
the
columns,
I
think
I
was
down
to
number
13..
I
We
have
not
Disturbed
any
archaeological
resources.
Number
14
says
that
Innovative
design
should
not
be
discouraged
when
existing
structure
isn't
lessened
or
disturbed
in
any
way
and
I.
Guess.
If,
if
we're
going
to
say
that
there's
an
Innovative
element
to
this
fairly
fairly
straightforward
project,
it
would
be
that
there's
a
cathedral
ceiling
with
a
bit
of
glass
that
again
refers.
I
Okay
and
Point
number
15
is
that
it
should
be
possible
to
remove
the
addition
at
some
point
in
the
future
without
harming
the
existing
structure
and
it's
very
simply
attached
to
the
back
so
no
problem
there.
So
that's
that's
the
new
construction
items
that
you
were
talking
about.
J
I
I,
just
I,
also
hung
up
a
little
bit
on
construction
standards.
Three
and
four
and
I
think
if
the
the
meaning
was
to
move
to
the
back
and
have
it
feel
more
like
a
back
porch,
then
you
could
take
the
roof
and
maybe
overhang
the
rest
of
the
porch
or
something
so
it
has
some
sort
of
an
open
volume
associated
with
it,
instead
of
the
glass
being
right
at
the
front
plane,
and
that
might
help
that
be
a
little
bit
easier
to
read.
M
I
D
Yeah
I
had
a
just
a
quick
kind
of
similar
to
Carlos's
request
just
to
respond
to
the
requirements
for
alteration.
Just
one.
That's
kind
of
sticking
for
me
is
number
three:
could
you
just
respond
to
that?
One
proportion.
I
Alterations
that
was
construction,
sorry,
so
alterations
three
is
building
is
a
product
of
its
time.
No.
I
So
I
I'm
not
sure
how
to
respond
to
this
one,
because
I
still
don't
understand.
But
I
can
answer
your
question,
which
is
to
respond
to
the
materials
yeah.
We
there
was
no
desire
for
the
addition
to
stand
out
to
to
be
particularly
different,
I
mean
I.
Think
at
one
point
we
talked
about
fibers
cement,
citing
which
this
board
is
approved
a
number
of
times.
They
felt
it
was
important
that
walking
around
the
house.
I
It
should
feel
like
the
house
and
so
the-
and
this
is
obviously
more
expensive
than
fiber
cement,
citing
doing
woodlap
siding
with
mitered
Corners,
not
just
the
material
but
finding
the
craftspeople
to
do
that.
Well,
yeah
and
the
brook.
So
it's
it's
a
combination.
It's
not
like
I
said
it's
not
a
slavish
imitation
of
the
front
of
the
house.
It
it
refers
to
it.
I
It
wants
to
fit
in
with
the
house,
and
it
finds
a
few
places
to
do
something
slightly
different,
which
is
the
roof
and
the
you
know
letting
generous
light
into
the
into
the
back
of
the
house
with
the
windows.
K
Just
to
be
that
most
advocate
here,
I
would
suggest
that,
given
the
great
number
of
people
building
traditional
houses
or
doing
additions
to
houses
that
actually
use
the
details
of
the
existing
house,
it's
a
sort
of
a
little
bit
like
what
you've
done.
That
number
four
I
think
is
kind
of
meaningless,
because
if
there
are
a
lot
of
people
doing
it,
then
how
is
it
not
a
product
of
its
time?.
A
G
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
what
Cade
had
mentioned
about
the
I.
Don't
exactly
know
how
to
describe
it,
but
how
the
addition
is
offset
and
it
it
is
past
the
edge
of
the
house
like
that
also
seems
to
stand
out
to
me
as
something
that
it
just
seems
like
it
could
be
a
little
bit
shorter
and
fit
in
a
little
bit
better.
G
You
know
with
the
I
guess:
I
was
thinking
of
number
two
for
the
new
construction
standard.
The
relationship
of
the
width
to
the
height
of
the
facade
should
be
visually
visually,
compatible
with
property
structure
sites,
public
ways,
objects
Etc,
so
that
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
what
Kade
said
I
also.
That
was
a
concern
for
me.
G
A
B
H
H
Think
it's
really
for
the
for
the
addition
is
all
new
construction,
so
I
think
you
can
only
apply
that
it's
famous
from
the
construction
as
to
those
I
guess
I
do
share
the
other
Commissioners
comments
on
the
kind
of
just
difficult
time
visually
relating
the
addition
to
the
rest
of
the
house.
H
H
What
really
threw
me
I
have
to
confess
is
I.
Think
the
last
project
you
presented
pretty
recently
had
a
an
analogous
design,
not
too
different
and
I,
really
just
kind
of
emotionally
had
maybe
because
I'd
just
seen
it
something
similar
you've
done
another
house,
it
really
made.
It
seem
very
detached
from
this
house
for
me
and.
C
H
Really
had
trouble,
you
know
seeing
any
relationships
between
the
addition
and
the
house.
I
mean
again
the
proportions.
The
openings
is
the
most
dramatic
item.
That's
easily
identifiable
the
standards
it's
just
generally
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
some
of
the
things
commissioner
Cohen
was
saying.
Is
there
may
just
be
more
subtle
things?
You
could
do
that
create
more
of
a
relationship,
but
it
just
seems
to
me
like
this
is
just
kind
of
almost
wholly
detached
from
the
from
relationships
from
the
rest
of
the
house.
J
K
Yeah
I
was
just
gonna
reiterate
the
fact
that
actually
going
from
setback
to
setback,
because
it
shifts
with
respect
to
the
sidewalls
of
the
house
gives
the
addition,
For,
Better
or
Worse
more
of
the
feeling
of
a
box
or
a
piece.
That's
just
been
pushed
onto
or
or
added
onto,
the
back
of
the
house
and
and
I
think
that
added
to
sort
of
some
of
the
other
comments
that
Commissioners
have
made
tonight
makes
this
not
as
successful
as
as
some
of
the
other
work
that
you've
presented
to
us.
A
Soda
kind
of
summarize
what
we've
we've
talked
about
is
I'm
hearing
that
standards,
two
three
construction
standards,
two
three
and
four
have
been
referenced
specifically
relating
to
the
alignment
of
the
new
addition
to
the
existing
home.
The
proportions
of
the
solids
to
voids
and
I
would
assume
the
the
proportion
of
the
openings
and
how
it
relates.
I
know:
Stuart.
You
brought
up
the
configuration
of
the
windows
and
how
they
related
to
the
existing
windows.
E
So
I
just
want
to
state
that
I
do
not
object
to
the
massing,
even
shifted
to
one
side
of
the
house.
These
old
houses
do
quirky
things
like
that.
All
the
time
I
think
he's
handled
that
successfully
I
think
the
materiality
is
compatible
in
my
eyes.
The
roof
pitch
is
okay,
I,
think
I'm
I'm
still
stuck
on
the
proportion
of
the
openings,
though
standard
three.
A
D
I
think
I'm
a
little
stuck
there,
I
I,
like
that,
the
siding
is
carried
out.
I
like
the
foundation
is
carried
through,
so
I
see
the
continuity
there
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
the
horizontal
steel
really
and
then
the
vertical
lines
of
the
standing
same
roof
I.
Think
all
of
that
combined
and
then,
along
with
the
casement
windows
versus
the
double
hung,
I,
think
it's
just
kind
of
the
layers
of
that
aren't
aren't
the
working
if
it
was
one
or
two
of
those
elements,
I
think
it
could
work
great.
A
I
A
So
the
windows
on
the
sides
would
mimic
the
double
honks
yep
and
there
would
be
a
shingle
roof
would
which
would
remove
this.
The
standing
seam
metal
roof
on
the
back
so
that
addresses
a
couple
of
the
items.
I
think
the
things
remaining,
then,
would
be.
The
proportion
of
the
openings
and
the
compatibility
of
the
of
the
doors
and
the
windows
on
the
rear
facade
of
the
porch.
Is
that
something
that
the
commissioners
still
feel
does
not
meet
the
standards
or
what
is
the
consensus.
H
You
know
I,
think
it's
important
that
we
I
mean
I.
Think
Beth
actually
said
it
well.
Is
that
it's
kind
of
the
totality
of
the
elements
that
you
know
Joe
meet
the
standards
because
they
really
don't
have
a
sufficient
relationship
to
the
existing
structure.
I
think
it's
a
mistake
for
us
to
try
to
to
I
mean
we've.
H
I
Could
could
I
just
make
one
small
Point
with
your
permission
your
this
commissioner
Simon
this?
This
design
is
very
similar
to
another
house
that
we
presented
recently
and
the
concern
with
that
was
the
proportion
of
the
openings
in
the
news.
The
proportions
of
this
project
are
almost
exactly
the
same.
It
doesn't
have
the
arched
window,
but
the
amount
of
wall
on
the
sides
and
the
amount
of
window
is
almost
exactly
the
same.
I
So
I
think
it
is
incumbent
upon
you
all
to
provide
a
bit
more
guidance
if
we
can
present
a
very
similar
design
that
is
receiving
a
different
level
of
scrutiny,.
H
The
whole
point
is
it's
a
different
house
job
to
meet
the
standards
is
to
present
something
with
a
relationship
to
this
house,
not
any
generic
house,
but
you
were
you
know.
We
don't
expect
you
to
come
back
with
the
same
design
for
every
house
and
say
if
my
design
was
approved
for
a
household,
it's
much
different,
absolutely.
K
You
know
I
I,
think
doing
additions
is
infinitely
more
difficult
than
doing
new
construction
and
I.
Think
we
all
understand
the
back
of
the
house
and
the
desire
to
have
a
room
that
opens
almost
completely
and
Visually
to
a
deck
allows
people
to
go
out.
These
are
sort
of
the
trademarks
of
20th
and
21st
century
architecture.
K
So,
for
me,
the
intellectual
challenge
of
trying
to
do
that
is
in
fact
figuring
out
how
to
subdivide
it
or
how
to
scale
it
or
how
to
transform
it
so
that
it
both
is
a
new
element
in
terms
of
what
some
something
this
house
never
would
have
had,
and
a
transformation
of
the
idea
and
the
forms
and
the
details
of
the
house
into
the
21st
century.
And
that's
no,
that's
a
big
challenge.
E
I'm
wondering
if
my
fellow
commissioners
sort
of
unanimously
feel
like
the
issue
of
the
addition
being
slid
not
aligned
with
the
existing
main
house,
is
an
issue
because
again,
if,
if
he's
coming
back,
I
would
like
to
take
that
off
the
table.
I
think
it's
okay,
the
way
it
is
but
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
how
the
rest
of
the
commission
feels.
K
I
think
it
would
be
better
integrated
into
the
house
if
the
sidewall
were
continued
and
the
other
side
set
back,
but
I
think
that
it's
totally
unreasonable
and
beyond
our
scope
of
of
comment
to
ask
the
owner
to
diminish
the
size
of
their
you
know,
of
of
their
family
room
by
whatever.
That
is
three
and
a
half
or
four
feet.
So
I
would
concur
with
John
and
I
think,
maybe
that's
ultimately
as
a
either
a
non-issue
or
something
that
we
shouldn't
pass
judgment
on.
In
spite
of
how
we
feel
about
it,.
G
I
was
just
going
to
I
think
it
should
be.
It
should
be
changed,
I
think
it's
fine
off
center,
because
I
think
it
repeats
the
front
is
off
center.
The
front
porch
is
also
not
aligned
with
the
Gable
on
top,
but
I
mean
just
a
personal
opinion
I'd
like
to
see
it
come
in
more
because
you
can
see
it
from
the
front,
and
that
is
our
job
to
evaluate
what
things
look
like
from
the
public
way.
The
street
the
sidewalk
Etc
so
I
mean
that's,
that's
my
point
of
view
on
it.
A
I
do
not
get
the
consensus
that
this
project
is
going
to
I
I
I
feel
that
the
commission
would
like
to
see
this
application
come
back
with
some
modifications,
I
again
just
to
reiterate
standards.
Two
three
and
four
have
been
noted
with
the
alignment
of
the
addition,
the
proportions
of
the
openings
and
and
The
rhythms
of
the
solids
to
voids
and
I
do
think
that
they
have
given
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
to
help.
A
You
come
back
with
some
modifications,
so
is
if
it
is
the
consensus
of
the
commission,
if
someone
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
continue
this,
what
is
the
date
of
the
next
meeting?
M
I
make
okay
move
to
move
the
case
for
1215
Judson
Avenue
case
22
pres0187
by
Studio
talo
Architects
to
the
November
8th
meeting.
A
A
B
The
applicant
further
requests
the
following
major
zoning:
variations
to
complete
adaptive,
use
to
multi-family
residential
24
dwindling
units
where
14
are
permitted.
Zoning
code
section
6884
a
rear
yard
setback
of
zero
feet
where
25
feet
is
required
and
7.5
feet
is
the
existing
legally
non-conforming
condition.
Zoning
code,
section,
6887
and
10
Lee
stop
street
parking
spaces
or
a
parking
ratio
of
0.27
per
bed
where
19
spaces
or
a
race
ratio
of
0.55
per
bet
is
required.
B
Zoning
comes
section,
61635
table
16b,
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
The
commission
is
the
determining
body
for
their
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
land
use
commission
for
the
major
zoning
variations
and
I.
Think
Adam.
Will
you
be
presenting.
E
B
E
Chair
Reinhold
I
just
want
to
announce
that
I'll
be
recusing
myself
from
this
case,
so
as
to
avoid
the
perception
of
the
conflict
of
interest
as
I
was
previously
employed
by
the
applicant.
A
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Adam.
Bro
I
may
get
some
help
at
some
point
in
this
presentation
from
my
colleague,
Mike
Krakowski
here
we're
both
a
myski
architects
and
so
I
generally
about
our
project.
Of
course,
we
all
know
the
Messianic
Temple
has
stood
vacant
for
a
number
of
years.
O
O
Six
and
our
clients
are
looking
to
to
make
an
Adaptive
use
project
out
of
the
the
former
Temple
into
multi-family
residential.
O
Right
so,
of
course,
our
building
is
on
the
it's
eligible
for
the
national
register
and
is
a
local
Landmark
here
in
Evanston,
again
designed
by
Halliburton
Roche,
we
kind
of
included
in
our
presentation
some
contemporary
and
historic
images,
not
sure
what
happened
to
that
guy
on
the
bottom
left
there
I
would
say
historic
image
where
you
can
see
the
context
around
the
building
sort
of
changing,
but
our
project
doesn't
seek
it
seeks
to
to
Really
act
with
a
very
light
touch
on
the
exterior,
we're
kind
of
only
touching
things
that
we
feel
are
really
really
needed
to
to
make
this
into
a
multi-family
building
and
I
hope.
O
You'll
you'll
agree
with
us
on
that
point.
So
here
we
see
some
some
shots.
Some
important
things
to
note
on
the
bottom,
the
image
on
the
bottom
right.
Our
voting
has
sort
of
the
basement.
O
There
is
habitable
space
sort
of
in
the
setback
out
to
zero
lot
line,
and
a
portion
of
that
basement
is
kind
of
protruding
up
above
grade
is
what
you
see
there
and
I'll
point
out
later
in
the
presentation
that
we're
we're
trying
to
cut
that
down
just
kind
of
cut
that
protrusion
down,
although
we
are
adding
alsoil
volume
back
there,
top
left
image
and
North
elevation
very
bare
brick
also
zero
lot
line,
and
then
the
the
two
elevations
that
are
primarily
visible
from
the
public
way
are
the
South
elevation.
O
O
So
we,
along
with
the
owners
we
wanted
to
kind
of
preserve
this
entry
experience.
Although
the
lobby
itself
is
not
part
of
the
landmark
distinction,
we
felt
we
feel
it's
important
to
kind
of
just
extend
that
experience
of
the
historic
building
the
public
way
into
this
semi-public
area,
so
we're
seeking
to
preserve
most.
You
know
you
know,
maybe
not
that
conduit
there,
but
also
his
all
the
historic
aspects
of
this
Lobby
here.
O
Okay,
you
can
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
how
the
building
is
going
to
be
divided
and
the
interior.
By
look
having
a
look
at
this
section
in
the
basement,
you
can
see
that
we
are
providing
some
units
down
there
and
that
includes
cutting
light
wells
off
to
the
side
of
the
South
elevation
other
than
that.
O
It's
kind
of
we're
creating
these
kind
of
High
spaced
units
with
the
mezzanine
between
them
to
try
to
take
advantage
of
these
large
windows
that
we
have,
for
example,
in
the
South
facade
you
know,
feel
like
it
would
be
a
shame
to
kind
of
cut
it
off
or
to
lose
a
lot
of
floor
space,
and
so
we're
kind
of
along
with
the
owners
going
for
this
lofted
feel
on
the
interior.
O
All
right
just
point
out
the
from
the
existing
and
proposed
elevations
here
on
the
front,
we're
doing
very
little.
It's
just
replacing
the
fenestrations
of
the
windows
in
kind
with
wood
windows
from
Marvin
to
match
the
historic
profiles.
O
Those
windows
at
the
top
are
I
believe
they're
in
swinging
casement
windows
and
the
two
that
you
see
on
the
bottom
kind
of
flanking.
The
columns
are
a
casement
with
a
fixed
transom.
O
And
then
the
major
change
to
the
front
is
to
provide
an
accessible
wheelchair
lift,
which
is
what
you
see
kind
of
the
bottom
left
of
that
bottom
drawing
and
we
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
about
where
the
how
we
were
going
to
handle
the
accessible
entrance
and
in
the
end
we
feel
it's
only
fair
that
someone
using
a
wheelchair
will
enter
the
building
in
the
same
way
along
the
front
that
anyone
else
would
you
know
we
did
kind
of
investigate
an
entry
in
the
rear
kind
of
Through,
the
Alley
and,
in
the
end,
felt
that
that
was
kind
of
wasn't
equal.
O
So
this
change
is
going
to
require
a
cutting
down
a
bit
of
the
plinth.
You
can
see
kind
of
on
the
right
side
of
the
elevation.
You
see
that
with
the
original
or
the
let's
say,
the
Contemporary
condition
of
the
philanth
looks
like
just
slightly
taller
masonry,
and
then
it's
got.
Each
side
has
a
a
light.
That's
not
really
original
to
the
building.
So
it's
going
to
require
cutting
down
the
Flint,
adding
this
wheelchair
lift
that
we
would
like
to
be.
O
We
feel
it
would
be
appropriate
that
it's
mostly
glass,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we're
going
for
you're,
a
glass
wheelchair
lift,
and
although
the
the
manufacturers
of
these
lifts
kind
of
recommend
that
you
do
a
taller
like
a
ceiling
or
roof
on
top
of
these
things,
we're
really
trying
to
avoid
as
much
bulk.
You
know
kind
of
has
little
bulk
as
we
can,
and
so
it's
just
an
open.
O
You
know:
okay,
just
pointing
out
the
changes
over
here
on
the
sofa
side,
the
windows
on
the
ground
level,
these
tall
slender
ones,
they're
just
being
replaced
in
kind
with
wood,
Marvin
Windows
smash
the
historic
profile
and
then
on
the
second
level
there
you
can
see
in
the
historic
drawing
or
the
existing
elevation,
rather
that
they're
kind
of
this
masonry,
this
detailed
ornamented.
O
O
And
in
the
rear
we
are
adding
a
proposing
to
add
a
trash
volume
that
will
handle
the
then
trash
needs
of
the
building
and
off
to
the
right
of
that
on
the
rear
elevation.
You
were
trying
to
point
out
that
we
would
be
cutting
down
that
that
little
portion
of
the
basement
that
protrudes
up
and
that
also
allows
for
an
accessible
egress
because
you'll
see
another
drawing,
there's
a
door
from
the
stairwell.
That's
also
exiting
through
that
trash
volume.
O
Existing
elevation
on
the
North-
this
is
not
visible
from
the
public
wave.
Maybe
you
get
a
sliver
of
it
from
the
alley,
and
here
where
we
were
able
to
provide
more
openings,
some
balconies,
as
well
as
just
windows
for
the
units.
O
You
can
kind
of
see
all
the
elements
of
the
project
coming
together
in
these
axon
views
that
you
can
see
the
wheelchair
lift
on
the
left
on
the
front,
those
windows
that
were
previously
the
wreath
detail
and
I
suppose
it's
worth
pointing
out
the
removing
the
mechanical
equipment
which
formerly
is
in
the
alley,
it's
kind
of
sitting.
On
top
of
that
basement,
protrusion
at
the
moment,
we're
focusing
to
move
all
the
mechanical
equipment
up
to
the
roof
off
to
the
north
elevation,
where
it
would
not
be
seen
from
the
public
way.
O
F
O
First
floor
and,
like
I
said,
these
are
kind
of
lofted
units,
so
you
see
a
stairwell
in
each
unit
that,
on
the
South
Side
especially
takes
advantage
of
those
large
windows
on
the
North.
You
can
see
we're
kind
of
cutting
into
the
building
a
little
providing
a
small
balcony
for
some
of
these
units,
and
you
can
see
you
can
kind
of
start
to
see
how
the
trash
volume
would
work.
You
you
go
to.
O
You
would
I
think
I
believe
a
previous
iteration
that
Kade
may
have
seen
was
involved
the
trash
chute,
but
we've
since
cut
it
down
to
just
a
trash.
You
know
only
a
ground
level
room
where
you
walk
out
down
the
stairs
to
and
you
access
it
through
a
door
to
dispose
of
your
trash.
O
O
And
here
we
are
on
the
upper
level,
where
these
units
kind
of
are
going
to
we're
kind
of
going
to
open
up
the
ceiling.
In
the
third
floor,
you
kind
of
get
a
little
bit
of
the
structure
of
the
building,
because
you're
in
the
room
here,
where,
like
the
trusses,
are
above
you're
kind
of
in
this
almost
a
warehousy
field.
O
I'm
just
getting
into
a
bit
more
detail
on
the
south
facade,
so
you
can
see
about
how
we're
treating
those
wreath
masonry
details
with
the
new
windows
trying
to
respect
the
existing
windows
that
are
there.
You
see
below
there.
Those
windows
are
in
swing,
encasements
with
a
transom
and
then
above
there
we're
looking
to
do
something
similar
where
it's
like.
It's
a
casement
I
believe
where
we
go
without
swinging
on
the
upper
windows.
O
Along
those
light
Wells
we
do
need
to
provide
some
fall
protection
and
so
we're
proposing
a
steel
black
painted
guard
rail.
That
would
be
more
similar
to
what
has
been
in
the
area.
You
know
historically
I
apologize.
It
actually
looks
like
the
image
on
the
left
hasn't
been
updated.
It
looks
like
it's
showing
aluminum
proportions,
but
the
section
is
is
actually
correct
it.
We
should
be
showing
steel
proportions
where
we
have
like
a
one
inch.
O
Square
profiles
and
the
intermediate
verticals
are
I
believe
they're
three
quarter
of
an
inch
so
just
trying
to
get
a
slender
steel
profile
rather
than
a
you
know
what
you
see
more
contemporary
aluminum,
that
is
typically
built
in
new
construction,
okay,
zooming
in
a
little
more
detail,
a
little
more
diagrammatic
on
the
bottom
left
we're
trying
to
show
about
how
we're
cutting
down
to
the
alley
grade
that
protrusion
and
you
can
get
a
look
at
that
door,
which
is
the
egress
door
from
the
stair
in
white
on
the
boat.
O
O
O
And
one
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
Kade
mentioned
in
his
introduction
about
the
setback,
their
current
setback
being
about
seven
and
a
half
feet.
I
believe
that
is
measuring
to
the
the
tall
volume
of
the
building,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
the
basement
volume
that
protrudes
up
is
that
zero
lot
line.
Of
course,
it's
only
a
couple
feet
off
the
ground,
and
so
you
know
Kate
does
and
I'm
sure
his
colleagues
don't
believe
that
it's
should
have
been
counted
towards
setback.
O
This
image
on
the
right
is
a
basis
of
design
for
our
wheelchair
lift,
and
you
know
a
lot.
There
are
some
black
metal
details
in
the
building,
so
we
feel
black,
maybe
is
a
more
appropriate
color
as
much
glass
as
possible
to
just
kind
of
be
a
light
in
terms
of
the
intrusion
of
the
front
facade
and
you
access
through.
O
We
will
build
like
a
little
pathway
that
slightly
slopes
upward
toward
the
wheelchair
and
lift
that
way,
and
it
turns
90
degrees
that
way
you
can
enter
the
lift
and
exit
in
the
same
direction
and
what
that
does
is
it
allows
a
wheelchair
lift
to
be
a
little
less
bulky
if
you
had
to
enter
the
wheelchair
left
in
One
Direction
and
then
turn
90
degrees.
O
That
would
require
a
bulkier,
wider,
lift
and
so,
and
so
that
also
kind
of
goes
hand
in
hand
with
cutting
down
the
way.
We're
cutting
the
Flint
just
a
bit
down,
and
so
also
we're
providing
this
glass
guard
rail
just
to
be
as
light
as
possible
about
how
we
touch
the
front
facade.
O
Okay,
so
here's
just
some
minor
other
details
that
are
happening
with
the
with
the
frontless
side,
we'll
refurbish
the
door.
The
existing
wood
door
restore
other
elements
like
these
handrails
there's
some
repair
that
needs
to
be
done
with
the
top
of
the
podium,
as
it
is
actually
part
of
the
exterior
envelope.
O
There's
some
basement
space
below
there
you
can
see
some
of
the
waterproofing
is
starting
to
kind
of
fail,
so
we'll
refurbish
that
there's
a
bunch
of
inset
lighting,
kind
of
recessed
lighting
and
so
we'll
restore
those,
probably
they'll,
become
LEDs
or
rewired,
but
the
intent
is
to
basically
leave
them
as
they
are
and
restore
them
as
much
as
it
takes
for
them
to
function,
and
that's
all
I
have.
B
I
just
want
to
one
point
of
clarification
that
North
elevation
is
actually
quite
visible
from
Maple,
because
the
building
to
the
north
is
is
pushed
back
quite
a
bit.
So
that
just
a
point
of
clarification
for
the
Commissioners.
And
then
would
you
also
mind
going
through
the
variations
that
you're
requesting
quickly
and
then
kind
of
describe
why
you
feel
they're
necessary
for
the
the
Adaptive
use.
O
Sure,
okay,
so
I
believe
the
first
and
probably
the
most.
The
the
variation
that
has
the
most
impact
on
the
building
is
the
variation
to
the
allowable
units.
O
We
basically
in
order
to
make
the
building
viable.
We
got
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
units
in
the
building
and
we
feel
we
made
the
case
to
the
variation
board
that
we
that
put
me
out
here.
Okay,
can
you
do
we
have
that
I'd
like
to
see
the
variation.
B
Well,
I
mean
one
thing
that
that
might
be
interesting
is,
you
know,
would
the
Adaptive
use
of
it
or
would
the
character
and
quality
of
the
alterations
that
you're
proposing?
Would
that
be
possible
with
less
units?
You
know,
that's
because
the
standards
that
we'll
make
of
our
recommendation
on
are
a
little
bit
different
than
the
standards
that,
like
the
land
use
commission
will
use.
So
basically,
this
this
commission
is
going
to
look
at
whether
those
Ultra
those
variations
that
are
requested
are
necessary
or
in
the
interest
of
historic
preservation.
P
Okay,
my
name
is
Michael
karkowski
I
know
Adam
briefly
introduced
me
in
the
beginning:
I've
been
working
with
him
on
this
project,
the
there's
nothing
more
sustainable
than
reusing
existing
building
and
right
now,
although
this
is
an
Adaptive
reuse,
the
building
is
located
in
an
R6.
It
is
in
a
residential
district,
so
the
Adaptive
reuse
is
100
appropriate
for
the
for
the
neighborhood,
because
it's
a
residential
neighborhood
and
we're
converting
it
back
to
residential
use,
we're
not
adding
any
additional
volume.
P
Aside
from
the
small
little
addition
on
the
rear
of
the
alley
for
trash.
Currently,
the
trash
bins
are
strewn
in
the
alley.
If
you
walk
down
that
alley,
they're
just
out
in
the
in
the
right
of
way,
so
that
little
enclosure
that
we're
adding
and
Adam
kind
of
pointed
to
this
already
that
it'll
enclose
the
trash
we
actually
already
met
in
front.
We
we
met
with
Dapper
kind
of
a
preliminary
review
and-
and
they
did
have
a
lot
of
most
of
the
comments
that
we
received
from
Dapper
were
for.
P
What's
going
with
the
track,
you
know
it's
what
happening
with
the
trash,
and
you
know
what
about
the
dumpsters.
So
we
tried
to
address
that
as
best
as
we
could
again,
it
is
an
Adaptive
reuse.
It's
going
into
a
residential
use,
so
there
you
know
we
do
have
to
accommodate
trash
a
little
bit
differently
than
the
original
building
was
treated
that
that,
but
for
the
most
part
the
volume
of
the
building
is
not
changing
the
you
know
the
building.
P
You
know
if
we're
looking
at
the
historic
nature
of
this
building,
the
facades
The
Landmark
status.
P
P
We
are
doing
a
very
light
touch
on
the
exterior,
primarily
window
replacement,
and
there
are
a
few
windows
that
we're
adding
on
a
South
elevation.
But
what
we're
doing
is,
as
Adam
pointed
out,
is
that
we're
replacing
an
existing
Square
relief
in
the
stone
with
a
square
window
that'll
fit
perfectly
in
that
opening.
So
we
believe
that
in
the
end,
you
won't
even
notice
that
any
of
the
work
was
done
because
it'll
fit
the
architectural
character
and
design
of
the
original
building
granted.
Instead
of
that
stone
relief,
there
will
be
an
opening
now.
P
Take
to
your
point.
Could
we
have
used
fewer
units
we've
put
in
as
many
units
as
we
could
in
the
building
without
changing
the
volume?
So
right
now
we
have
extremely
tall
ceilings
which
lend
itself
you
know
just
like
the
exterior
of
the
building
has
a
very
extremely
unique
and
historic
character:
the
interior
as
well,
so
those
large
volume
spaces.
The
idea
was
that
we
were
going
to
we
incorporated
narrow,
primarily
Studio
one
bedroom
and
two
bedroom
units,
we've
kind
of
dispersed
the
the
unit
sizes
appropriate.
P
For
that
you
know
the
market
demands
and
we
put
in
mezzanine
levels.
So
you
know
again,
I
know
we're
just
talking
about
the
exterior,
but
as
we
talk
about
the
interior
with
those
tall
ceilings,
it
gave
us
an
opportunity
where
you
walk
into
this
small
unit
and
there'll,
be
an
interior.
Staircase
that'll
bring
you
up
to
a
mezzanine
level,
taking
advantage
of
that
volume.
P
Space
there'll
be
a
little
bit
of
a
balcony
with
a
guard
rail
kind
of
overlooking
this
huge
volume
space
with
these
windows,
they'll
be
very
dramatic
apartment
units
I
mean
we
think
that
it'll
be
a
very
desirable
building
to
live
in.
It's
very
unique:
you
don't
have
that
character
anywhere
else,
so
we
we
did
take
the
volume
of
the
building
and
we
sectioned
it
appropriately
for
the
number
of
units
that
would
fit
we
could
put
in
fewer
units,
but
there
would
be
bigger
units
and
we
wouldn't
be
changing
anything
on
the
exterior.
P
Nothing
would
be,
nothing
would
be
changing
so
right
now,
financially
it
worked
out
the
best
and,
most
appropriately,
the
market
demands
for
smaller
units.
One
bedroom
units
in
this
neighborhood,
it's
primarily
commuter
District,
an
area.
You
know,
there's
another
issue
with
you
know
with
parking,
but
again,
access
to
public
transportation
is
readily
available
and
again
the
smaller
units
are
are
more
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood
and
and
again
we're
not
adding
on
to
the
building
we're
using
what's
there.
B
Guess
no,
no
I
think
it
does.
The
only
other
point
I'll
just
make
is
that
they're
also
requesting
a
parking
variation
and
obviously
there's
no
opportunities
on
site
to
provide
parking,
which
is
not
unusual
for
a
historic
building,
correct,
so
you're
leasing,
the
spaces
off-site
and
then
obviously
leasing
spaces?
Is
you
know
relatively
cost
prohibitive,
so
I
think
that
plays
into
your
decision
to
reduce
that
parking
while
also
meeting
the
market
demand
you
expect
for
it.
P
Correct
yeah
the
the
owners
are,
they
are
requiring
a
relief
to
the
the
parking
requirement,
but
we
believe
that,
because
we
are
within
in
in
you
know,
clearly
stated
in
the
zoning
ordinance
that
relief
can
be
applied
for
within
a
certain
criteria
and
I
believe
we're
asking
for
I
believe
it
was
a
50
reduction
if
I'm,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
because
we
are
within
a
thousand
feet
of
of
public
transportation.
So
it's
a
very
walkable
neighborhood,
it's
a
bike
friendly
neighborhood,
it's
downtown,
Evanston
and,
and
again
all
of
that
fits
in.
P
We
believe
perfectly
with
the
intent
of
the
code
with
the
zoning
ordinance,
with
the
relief
that
you
know
has
been
historically
granted
for
projects
like
this.
So.
F
O
Going
to
add
one
more
element
to
the
unit
size
conversation
about
how
you
know
the
density
is
a
function
of
the
lot
size
right.
Well,
we've
got
a
building
that
doesn't
conform
to
any
of
the
setbacks.
It's
larger
than
a
building
would
have
been
allowed
to
be
on
the
site,
if
not
taller,
but
it's
wider,
and
so
you
know,
like
Mike,
was
saying
we
had
stuck
with
the
original.
You
know
allowable
density.
We
would
have
these
huge
units,
almost
you
know,
really
difficult
to
lease
expensive,
because
the
last
bit
I
wanted
to
add.
P
Yeah
I
think
I
think
all
all
three
primary
elevations
that
are
seen
from
from
the
right-of-way
in
in
okay
to
your
to
your
point,
understand
that
the
north
side,
it's
a
zero
lot
line,
condition
neighboring
to
an
adjacent
property,
but
again
a
very
light
touch
on
the
on
the
primary
facade
for
the
most
part,
we're
replacing
windows
and
putting
in
a
lift
making
the
building
fully.
P
You
know
accessible,
which
it
should
be,
the
building
should
be
accessible
so
that
that
to
us
was
like
a
first
thing
that
we
needed
to
do.
We
need
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
accessible,
so
the
lift
on
the
front
and
again
it's
something
that
it's
it's
off
to
the
side.
We
I
believe
we
came
up
with
a
solution
that
is
as
sensitive
and
and
least
impactful
to
the
building.
P
So
again
you
have
these
Grand
stairs
on
the
front
of
the
building,
this
Colonnade
and
just
kind
of
off
to
the
side.
You
have
the
small
little
object,
it's
a
it's,
a
wheelchair
lift.
We
think
that's
important,
obviously
to
include
that
to
the
building
to
make
it
accessible.
The
South
elevation
again
primarily
window
replacement
and
then
on
the
Alley
side,
again,
not
a
primary
right
away.
P
You
know
we're
putting
it
kind
of
up
on
the
corner.
There'll
be
a
mechanical
platform,
you'll
access
it
from
one
of
the
staircases,
so
the
the
mechanical
equipment.
We
tried
to
address
it
as
best
as
we
could
to
to
take
that
out
of
sight
and
then
the
trash
enclosure.
Again,
we
did
include
a
small
trash
enclosure
with
a
door
which,
again
is
a
is
a
tremendous
Improvement
to
the
condition.
That's
there.
A
I
I
have
a
question:
if
we
could
go
to
the
slide,
it
would
be
page
159.
It
shows
so
I
am
familiar
with
this
building
and
the
north
elevation
is
actually
quite
visible
from
this
public
way.
A
So
the
fact
that
it
keeps
getting
glossed
over
gives
me
concern,
because
you
can
see
it
quite
visibly
across
the
parking
lot
of
the
adjacent
building
and
it
is
just
a
very
solid
wall
right
now
and
then,
if
we
go
to
the
elevations
once
102
page
102.,
you
are
making
a
very
drastic
change
to
that
that
the
the
spacing
and
the
Rhythm
and
the
proportion
of
these
openings
is
very
different
to
the
proportion
of
the
openings
of
the
historic
facades
as
well
as
you're
being
so
sensitive
on
the
on
the
other
facades
and
you're
being
very
careful.
A
And
then
this
facade,
it
just
seems
like
it's
just
a
very
large
number
of
openings
and
it
just
doesn't
feel
compatible
with
the
sensitivity
on
the
other
facades
and
I
realize
that
you
know
you.
You
have
to
have
light
and
then
I
I
completely
understand
that
I
appreciate
that
you're
making
it
into
a
residential
building
and
that
you've
been
very
sensitive
on
the
other
facades.
A
P
So
they're
just
openings
right
because
we're
up
on
the
Zero
lot
line.
Of
course,
so
the
windows
themselves
are
fixed,
so
they're
fire,
rated
glass
and
the
openings
that
have
the
little
x
in
them
are
actually
recessed
balconies
for
the
units,
so
the
actual
door.
And
if
we
can,
you
know
flip
to
one
of
the
upper
you
can
go
to
the
plan.
P
A
About
half
I
mean
not
very
much,
you
can
see
it
right
in
there.
So
when
you
keep
saying
that,
it's
not
visible
and
it's
not
visible,
I
mean
I
completely.
Disagree
on
that
statement.
You
you
very
much
see
it.
When
you
walk
down
the
street,
so
I
agree
with
commissioner
Simon
we
would.
We
would
need
to
see
more
information
on
that
facade.
It
can't
just
be
discarded
as
a
a
it's
on
the
lot
line,
it's
right
up
against
another
building,
because
it's
really
not
that
type
of
condition.
In
this
situation
you.
K
Know
can
I
comment
on
the
elevations.
You
know
the
building's
a
classical
building.
Interestingly
enough,
it's
a
classical
building
on
only
two
of
its
four
sides.
Maybe
three.
If
you
squinted
the
alley
facade,
the
the
side
of
the
building
was
just
a
brick
wall
and
there
are
umpteen
three
flats
and
six
Flats
in
Chicago,
where
you
get
classicized
or
a
decorated,
Stone
facade,
you
turn
the
corner
and
the
building
and
the
architecture
just
devolve
into
common
brick.
Walls
I
am
not
as
Disturbed.
K
You
know
the
job
of
trying
to
fenestrate
those
apartments
to
carefully
fit
the
windows
into
the
panel,
the
classical
panelization
of
the
South
facade.
You
know
sort
of
backs
you
into
a
corner
in
terms
of
what
what
the
windows
in
the
units
will
be.
Obviously
the
north
side
gives
you.
If
you
take
this
attitude,
much
more
flexibility.
Jokingly,
we
used
to
refer
to
the
that
facade.
Is
the
Walter
ropius
facade,
nothing
against
gropius's
architecture
except
stuff
was
supposed
to
be
functional.
K
A
Should
still
could
be
compatible
right
right,
it
should
still
be
compatible,
it's
visible,
so
it
can't
just
be
anything.
It.
J
K
I
I
think
it's
worth
complimenting.
You
guys,
I
think
that
the
insertion
of
Windows
into
the
classical
order,
particularly
of
the
South
Side,
while
it
makes
some
pretty
miserable
lighting
conditions
on
mezzanines
in
some
of
the
apartments
and
I
totally
don't
understand
what
actually
happens
in
terms
of
Windows
and
the
third
floor.
You've
actually
resisted
the
desire
to
start
punching
more
windows
into
that
South
facade
in
deference
to
to
the
compositional
quality
of
of
the
buildings.
So
you
should
be
complemented
on
that.
K
If
I
don't
know,
the
people
want
to
make
more
comments
about
Windows
or
because
I
I
would
move
on
to
the
only
element.
I.
That
I
think
for
me
is
problematical
with
with
respect
to
to
the
standards,
because
I
think
you
basically
meet
the
standards.
I
have
mixed
feelings
about
that,
but
I
think
you
you
actually
do
meet
them.
I
am
disturbed
well
I'm,
disturbed
by
the
handicap.
K
Put
it
on
that
North
facade
maybe
actually
made
a
canopy
to
to
signal
that
it
was
there
and
then
had
it,
go
up
and
open
through
a
door
into
the
landing
of
the
stair,
which
then
opens
to
the
lobby
through
double
doors
that
that
would
not
put
you
in
the
position
of
defacing
the
front
of
the
facade
or
the
the
main
facade
and
the
entry
facade.
And
it's
symmetrical
stairs
and
composition,
which
is
is
really
one
of
the
strong
characteristics
of
the
building
and
I
know.
P
K
At
the
top
of
the
slide,
you
have
that
stair
we're
at
an
upper
level,
but
on
the
ground
level,
there's
a
a
very
large
landing
and
what
I'm
wondering
is.
Could
you
still
have
that
as
a
simple
outboard
structure,
that
the
lift
that
you've
got
that
you're
planning
on
using?
Have
it
come
up
and
then
go?
You
know
the
same
way
as
you're
doing
there.
Where
you
come
in
one
side,
you
go
out
the
other
side
without
having
to
turn
your
wheelchair.
K
You
would
just
have
a
door
that
would
swing
into
the
stair
and
then
you've
got
double
doors
into
the
elevator
Landing.
The
only
thing
I
know
you,
the
door
swing
can't
encroach
into
a
turn
radius
of
the
stair
but
looks
like
there's
plenty
of
room
there,
and
that
way
you
wouldn't
have
to
modify
the
front
of
the
building.
The.
K
P
Going
into
that
stair
directly
again,
the
stair
goes
into
the
basement
and
just
I
mean
we're
about
four
and
a
half
feet
above
grade
right
now,
so
it's
a
tremendous
amount
of
height
to
kind
of
overcome,
so
the
solution
and
again
we
we
did
study
this
to
locate
it
again,
because
we
are
limited
on
facades,
I
mean
we
did
I
don't
want
to
make.
P
It
seem
like
we
didn't
think
about
the
northwest
side,
because
we
actually
did
think
about
it
quite
a
bit
just
the
location
of
the
openings
and
ultimately,
we
held
the
main
we
considered
the
main
facade,
which
is
the
front
entry,
which
is
the
West
facade
and
the
South
the
side.
Those
are
the
primary
facades
of
the
building
that
we
see
the
historical
character.
We
we
treated
those
as
sacred
and
tried
to
touch
them
minimally,
again,
primarily
window
replacement
and
again
on
the
Alley
side.
Again,
the
the
amenity.
You
know
the
trash
again.
P
Windows
that
also
I
guess
in
our
minds
was
somewhat
questionable
because
it
was
in
an
alley
not
necessarily
a
front
facade.
I
do
understand
that.
There's
no
way
that
you
can't
walk
around
the
building
and
see
the
facades,
so
I
agree
that
the
north
facade
is
visible
from
the
adjacent
lot
again.
We
we
were
looking
primarily
at
Maple
and
and
and
yeah
just
the
primary
right
away.
The
fenestrations
on
the
North
facade
were
dictated
primarily
by
the
floor
plan.
P
We
did
try
to
line
them
up
as
best
as
we
could
to
get
some
sort
of
a
classical
Rhythm
working
with
those
we'd
probably
have
to
lose
the
balconies.
You
know
just
because
right
now
you
know
those
units
not
having
operable
Windows
was
a
problem
for
us.
So
we
introduced
these
balconies,
where
somebody
can
actually
kind
of
open
up,
walk
out
onto
a
balcony
again
we're
a
zero
lot
line,
so
those
balconies
that
door
is
five
feet
back.
P
So
that
way,
you
know
we
can
kind
of
deal
with
that.
The
fire
separation
issues,
the
code
required
separation.
There.
You
know
we
can't
just
put
a
door
a
balcony.
We
can't
put
a
Juliet
Balcony
on
a
zero
outline
right.
We
have
to
be
five
feet
back,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
point
of
putting
those
balconies
on
that
North
Side,
primarily
a
lot
of
the
lights
going
to
be
coming
in
from
the
south.
P
We
wanted
to
do
something
for
the
units
on
the
North
that
they
can
enjoy
some
natural
light
in
their
unit.
Again,
they've
got
this
huge
volume
space.
You
know,
it'll
be
a
great
space
to
be
in.
How
do
you
deal
with
the
natural
light
on
the
upper
levels
we
put
in
skylights
to
try
and
bring
in
light
the
upper
level?
The
structure
again
yeah
I
know
talking
about
the
interior,
primarily
talking
about
the
exterior
for
this
presentation,
but
the
interior.
P
You
know
there
are
these
existing
steel,
trusses
I
mean
they're,
just
beautiful
they're
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
the
upper
level
we're
going
to
remove
the
ceiling.
Those
trusses
are
going
to
be
exposed.
It's
going
to
be
a
very,
very
unique
space,
very
unique
experience.
You
just
wanted
to
bring
in
some
natural
light
to
those
North
Side
units
and
again
of
all
the
you
know,
of
the
four
elevations
that
North
facade
was
the
facade
that
again
didn't
have
any
classical
detailing
it.
It's
a
big
blank,
brick
wall.
P
Currently,
but
again,
we
we
did
go
through
trying
to
line
the
the
windows
up,
but
again
it
had
to
work
with
the
the
apartment
units
that
are
up
there.
They
are
very
narrow
units
and
obviously
the
additional
complexity
of
having
these
balconies,
which
we
think
is
a
big.
P
G
If
you
guys
had
consider
putting
a
ramp
somewhere
like
a
so
I,
am
not
a
wheelchair
user,
but
I
do
have
three
kids
I
have
I
use
strollers
all
the
time
so
I'm.
Similarly
looking
for
accessible
ways
to
get
into
buildings,
all
the
time
I
have
a
three-year-old
special
needs
kid,
so
I'm
always
looking
for
stroller
access.
G
I
just
was
wondering
why,
if
you
had
thought
about
ramps
like
specifically,
maybe
on
the
than
the
South
side,
where
you
do
have
some
setback,
if
he
could
go
to
the
basement,
even
because
I
know
those
those
elevators
aren't
that
for
for
stroller
users,
because
you
have
some
two
bedroom
units
they're,
not
that
great,
and
you
mentioned
keeping
it
open
with
no
roof
which
I
think
about
the
winner
here
and
all
kind
of
problems
you
might
have
with
that.
Elevator
I
just
wanted
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
like
if
you
thought
about
a
ramp,
so.
P
P
G
I
know
it
would
require
reconfiguring,
but
that
would
get
the
elevator
off
of
the
main
entry
like
I,
guess,
that's
the
West
facade
that
would
sort
of
solve
that
issue,
I!
Think
of
getting
it
off
there
yeah
well.
P
We
looked
at
a
number
of
things
with
the
basement.
We
actually
at
one
point
tried
to
get
parking
in
the
in
the
basement
as
well
trying
to
figure
you
know
to
get
a
ramp
coming
in
off
the
alley
and
there's
no
way
to
turn
turn
around
again.
Just
being
that
that
far
down
it
would
have
required
a
tremendous
exclamation
on
the
side
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
building.
That
would
definitely
be
visible
and
noticeable.
P
So
we
again,
the
solution
was
the
least
intrusive
to
to
the
facade,
and
it
gave
us
the
functionality
of
of
being
able
to
get
up
and
and
again
you
know.
As
far
as
you
know,
you
brought
up
the
point
that
you
know
in
the
winter
and
you
had
the
lift
and
what
happens
with
the
snow.
Well,
if
you
have,
you
know
an
80
foot
long
ramp
going
into
the
basement
again,
that's
going
to
require
snow
removal
also,
and
that's.
P
I
understand
well
again,
these
lifts
are
made
to
to
be
outside
there's
an
annual
maintenance
program,
and
these
things
are
maintained
and
kept
up.
Just
like
an
elevator
is
in
the
building
right
I
mean
there's
an
elevator
in
the
building
and
in
in
those
you
know,
elevators
are
maintained
inspected
and
again.
This
exterior
lift
is
likewise
I
mean.
P
Ideally
the
building
would
be
at
great
but
again
we're
trying
to
address
a
condition
that
we
have
here,
where
we're
four
and
a
half
feet
up,
and
and
how
do
we
get
somebody
from
grade
up
to
the
building?
Without
you
know,
major
excavation
and
underpinning
the
entire
building,
and-
and
you
know
again,
it.
G
Would
really
be
a
very
long
ramp
too
Mr
Cohen
had
mentioned,
you
know
the
elevator
I
mean
it
could
be.
You
do
have
a
setback
on
the
south
side
where
you
could
potentially
move
the
elevator
I
think
to
the
the
other
side.
Instead
of
the
side
he
was
recommending
because
you
don't
have
a
setback.
I
mean
that's
just
a
thought
too
right.
Let's.
P
P
Did
look
at
it
on
the
South,
but
again
we
we
thought
that
it
would
be
more
again.
Then
it
would
be
something
that
would
be
visible
from
two
historic
facades,
not
just
from
the
front
elevation.
You
know
we
looked
at
putting
it.
We
actually
looked
at
putting
a
full
elevator
on
the
back,
but
we
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
to
expect
somebody
that
was
handicapped
to
go
through
an
alley
to
get
into
their
building.
So
we.
P
Should
if
you're
going
into
entering
your
building,
you
should
go
in
through
the
front
door,
just
like
anybody
else.
So
we
took
that
as
a
priority,
so
going
into
the
basement,
I
mean
if
you
live
on
a
third
floor.
Do
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
it's
the
appropriate
thing
to
say?
Okay,
if
you're
wheelchair
you've
got
to
go
in
through
the
basement,
so
you
know
we.
P
We
looked
at
the
solutions,
we
looked
at
the
options
and
we
believe
that
you
know
putting
in
a
lift
is
not
ideal,
but
for
for
the
condition
that
we
had.
We
thought
you
know
going
in
through
the
front
door
was
the
best
solution
and
had
the
least
impact
on
the
historical
significance
of
the
building.
A
G
I
just
had
another
question:
this
is
sort
of
the
zoning
related,
but
I
know
you're
limited,
because
we
have
to
weigh
in
on
that
you're
limiting
the
parking
spaces.
I
thought
you
had
a
bike
room
in
here.
Do
you
have
a
bike
room
or
no?
Yes,
you
do
have
a
bike
ride.
Is
it
on
the
basement
level?
Is
that
yeah.
P
It's
it's
is
it
in
the
drawings
here
it's
it's
not
it'll,
be
in
in
in
in
the
basement.
That
was
something
that
we
had
actually
discussed
at
the
damper
meeting
to
provide
a
bike
room
in
the
basement
near
one
of
the
amenities.
Okay,.
A
Q
Sure
my
name
is
Len
karoski
of
822
Monroe
Street
in
Evanston.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
offer
comments.
My
name
is
len
carowski,
an
art
architect
and
in
preservation
and
adaptive,
reuse,
I'll
start
off
by
complimenting
and
thanking
staff
for
the
report.
Well
done,
Kade
and
Carlos.
Q
The
report
I
think
it
accurately
describes
the
significant
conditions
of
the
building.
The
Masonic
temple
is
one
of
evanston's
most
intact
and
significantly
and
significant
institutional
resources
and
I
think
my
from
my
perspective.
The
temple
is
important
structurally
to
Evanson
both
for
its
link
to
the
cultural
past
and
the
history
of
Evanston
and
the
architectural
significance
of
its
intact
1926
hola,
Barton
Roche
classical
exterior
and
interior
design.
I
understand
that
the
that
John
Evans
was
one
of
the
founding
members
of
this
Temple.
As
was
John,
was
William
holabart.
Q
The
architect
was
also
a
member
I.
Think
the
entrance
to
the
first
floor,
ionic
Hall,
is
actually
named
after
the
architect
architecturally.
It's
it's
rare
to
see
two
magnificent
spaces
in
the
Ionic
and
Corinthian
halls,
with
their
original,
along
with
the
original
paint,
carpeting
draperies,
the
lighting,
Wood,
Finishing
and
detailing,
along
with
zubair
wall
coverings
in
other
portions
of
the
space,
but
going
to
the
specifics
on
this
I
think
I,
like
commissioner
Stewart,
would
complement
the
Architects
on
their
facade
modifications
with
the
addition
of
windows.
Q
It's
unfortunate,
but
it's
an
understandable
proposed
change
in
use.
The
proposed
design,
as
was
indicated
by
the
commissioner's
discussion,
does
fit
within
the
classical
architecture
and
the
panelization
the
Ada
front.
Entrance
I
would
also
agree
with
the
commissioner's
Assessments
in
here.
I
think
there.
This
item
should
be
tabled
and
there
should
be
some
additional
study
brought
back
to
this
committee.
I
do
appreciate
Stuart
cohn's,
commissioner
cohens
option
to
bring
it
in
from
the
entrance
from
the
side
bringing
it
to
the
stair
inference
platform.
I
recognize
that's
over
the
plot
property
line.
Q
Maybe
it's
a
zoning
variation
I
think
it
would
provide
a
cleaner
entrance.
I
think
the
commission
should
also
see
what
the
option
looks
like
bringing
in
that
handicap
elevator,
as
was
suggested
by
one
of
the
Commissioners,
with
regard
to
bringing
it
up
to
what
was
currently
the
cloak
room
in
the
side
of
the
building.
The
third
option
is
in
the
in
the
current
proposed
option.
Q
I
think
the
biggest
problem
I
have
with
it
is
knocking
down
the
points
facing
the
side
of
the
handicap,
lift
with
it
and
Kate
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
flip
to
the
blow
up
plan.
Please.
Q
Of
the
Ada
lift
plan,
please.
Q
I
would
ask
the
Architects
to
please
go
back
and
recheck
your
plan.
I
actually
think
your
drawing
is
inaccurate,
you're
showing
the
first
step
I.
Think
it's
Zero
from
the
from
the
base
of
the
front
entrance
facade.
That
number
is
greater
I
believe
the
first
step
doesn't
start
till
I,
think
45,
46
inches,
so
I
think
you've
got
more
room
to
work
with
than
what's
indicated
in
that
plan.
So
again,
respectfully
I
think
you're,
showing
about
a
little
less
than
three
feet.
I
think
you've
got
about
45
or
46
inches.
Q
If
that,
if
you
could
verify
the
accuracy
of
your
drawing
I'm
saying
it's
wrong,
you
got
46
inches
from
the
face
from
the
from
the
full
nose
base
of
the
facade
coming
down
to
that
nose
of
the
top
stair.
So
my
I
think
what
that
will
allow
you
to
do
again.
Kate
if
you
can
hold
it
back
on
the
floor
plan.
K
Q
Q
K
Yeah,
if,
on
the
on
the
North
to
come
on
down
the
South
Side
means
adding
an
exterior
door
to
our
already
balanced
composition.
Coming
in
on
the
North
side,
would
it
just
involve
putting
a
lintel
in
what
looks
like
it's
a
bearing
wall
at
the
end
of
the
stair
with
probably
well
I?
Don't
know
we
did
yeah.
We
need
I
need
to
see
the
whole
first
floor
plan,
but
it
looks
like
that
area
could
be
reworked
so
that
you
open
the
door
from
the
on
the
North
side
rolled
into
on.
K
K
O
Q
Then
there
are
three
zoning
variances
that
are
requested
by
the
city,
a
question
to
be
asked
either
at
this
commission
level
or
the
land
the
land
use
commission
is
to
what
public
benefit
to
the
city
is
there
in
granting
these
requests,
given
what,
on
a
broader
perspective,
is
a
loss
of
both
cultural
and
historical,
architectural
building?
Q
Integrity,
you
know
I,
don't
think
we've
seen
slides
of
the
existing
conditions,
but
the
ionic
room,
the
Corinthian
room
are
magnificent
spaces
intact,
a
hundred
years
after
almost
100
years
after
their
construction,
so
the
public
benefit
might
be
either
a
use
or
user
more
compatible
or
a
residential
plan.
Perhaps
that,
as
it
was
suggested,
of
lower
density,
that
might
have
a
greater
sympathy
to
the
building.
Q
So
again,
it
might
be
a
consideration
for
this
committee
or
the
land
use
commission
that
there
be
something
done
internally,
to
have
greater
sympathy
to
show
a
public
benefit
of
retaining.
What
is
a
great
history
of
Evanston
in
the
Masons
and
maintaining
a
great
architectural
Legacy
of
hola
Barden
Rouge.
B
N
Jack,
hello,
Jack,
Weiss,
former
preservation,
commissioner
and
board
member
of
design,
Evanston
400
Main
Street.
By
the
way
it's
frustrating
to
accept
the
commission's
purview
is
limited
exclusively
to
exterior
issues.
N
Well,
I
feel
this
project
meets
exterior
problems
reasonably
well
I'm
much
more
concerned
about
the
proposed
impact
the
project
has
on
the
important
interior
spaces
of
the
building.
The
staff
report
States
the
Masonic
temple
is
one
of
edmondson's
most
intact
and
significant
institutional
resources
being
the
work
of
a
nationally
and
internationally
known
architect
and
master
builder.
Two.
The
structure
is
in
excellent
condition
and
retains
excellent,
exterior
and
interior
architectural
integrity.
N
Three,
the
interior,
the
interior,
includes
what
might
be
the
original
paint
carpeting
draperies
lighting
wood
finishes
and
detailing
and
zoofer
wallpaper
the
first
applicable
standard
for
zoning
release.
States
the
request
is
necessary
and
or
appropriate
in
the
interest
of
historic
conservation,
so
as
not
to
adversely
affect
the
historical
architecture
or
ascetic
Integrity
of
the
landmark
or
character
of
the
local
historic
district.
N
N
Every
reasonable
effort
should
be
made
to
adapt
to
the
property
structure
site
or
object
in
a
manner
that
requires
minimal
alteration
of
the
property
structure,
site
or
object
and
its
environment.
It
goes
without
saying
that
the
minimal
alteration
of
the
Masonic
Temple's
interior
spaces
is
non-existent,
but
we
can't
discuss
Interiors
here.
N
N
P
We
want
to
just
point
out
one
one
item
when
we
were
originally
approached
by
our
client
R2
looking
at
at
the
Masonic
temple,
one
of
one
of
the
studies
we
did
look
at
was
to
keep
keep
the
building
as
an
event
space.
So
we
came
up
with
a
series
of
floor
plans
and
they
they
did
their
their
own
homework
and
research
Market
studies
to
see
to
use
this
as
a
as
an
event
space
and
it
just
it
didn't
work
out
for
them.
P
So
you
know
here
we
have
an
existing
building,
it's
a
historic
structure
and
it's
sad
that
it's
standing
vacant,
but
again
this
this,
this
repurposing
adaptive
reuse.
Again
it's
in
an
R6
District
repurposing
it
as
a
residential
building.
We
think
it
it
is
appropriate
for
for
the
location
of
where
it's
at
foreign.
Thank
you.
Q
Appreciate
your
assessment
on
that
I
do
know
in
had
given
pro
bono
time.
Quite
frankly,
that's
why
I
know
the
facility
as
well
as
I.
Do
there
was
a
previous
evanston-based
developer?
Who
was
proposing
this
as
an
event
center?
His
due
diligence
unfortunately
had
been
cut
off
and
the
for
sale
sale.
The
sale
proceeded
with
the
existing
with
the
existing
proposing
owners
here.
So
you
know
I'm
not
sure
you
know,
of
the
the
host
the
concept
of
Market
studies
of
it.
Q
It
is
maybe
it's
a
water
over
the
dam,
maybe
it's
unfortunate,
but
it
would
have
been
nice
to
maintain
it,
as,
as
you
were
suggesting
The
Event
Center
that
it
could
have
been
that's
kind
of
my
retort
that
it's
sort
of
unfortunate,
but
there
were
people
looking
at
that.
M
Thank
you
so
I
I
do
appreciate
the
public
comment
that
this
is
architecturally
and
historically
significant
property,
and
you
know
building
in
Evanston.
It
is
National
register
eligible,
which
means
that
if
it
was
on
the
national
register,
you
could
use
historic
tax
credits
for
the
project
and
that
would
take
into
the
public
comments
with
the
significant
interior
spaces
and
then
that
could
also
potentially
give
some
more
financial
incentive
to
potentially
reduce
the
number
of
units,
and
so.
K
K
I
feel
like
this
project
is
sort
of
like
you
know
we
we
know
the
building
is
potentially
threatened
with
demolitions.
So
it's
like
the
neurosurgeon,
who
removes
the
brain.
Tumor,
saves
the
patient's
life
and
leaves
them
mentally
impaired
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
K
I
shouldn't
say
that,
but
I
did
so
I'm
mentally
impaired
I
have
no
mechanism
that
keeps
me
from
saying
exactly
what
I
think
about
things.
I
did
spend
a
lot
of
time.
Looking
at
this
project
because,
like
everybody
else,
I
was
taken
with
the
fact
that
the
windows
are
put,
and
it's
really
almost
perfect
places
in
terms
of
the
arrangement
on
the
classical
facade.
K
So
I
wanted
to
see
what
that
meant
in
terms
of
the
plan
or
the
plans
and
I
have
to
say
that
the
for
housing,
the
south
facing
units
are
severely
in
some
cases
under
fenestrated.
The
units
are
tiny,
I
did
both
low-income
public
housing
and
and
Section
8
housing
in
the
in
the
1870s
1870s.
Sorry
I'm,
not
that
old
yet,
but
that
may
appear
to
be
in
in
the
1970s
and
1980s,
and
these
units
are
so
tiny
that
they
do
not
meet.
What
was
the
government's
minimum
standards
for
low-income
subsidized
housing?
K
You
know,
I
did
look
at
them
and
say:
wow
I
haven't
seen
units
in
American
buildings
that
have
double-story
living
rooms
in
our
duplexed
and
the
reason
that
you
don't
see
them
for
everybody.
That's
not
an
architect
here
is
because
our
codes
require
second
means
of
egress
from
the
second
floor
bedrooms,
except
when
they're
considered
a
mezzanine,
which
means
that
they're
less
than
a
certain
percentage
of
the
floor
area
below
and
magically,
there
is
no
second
floor
hallway.
K
There
are
no
second
second
means
of
egress,
which
I
think
is
a
genuinely
bad
idea,
and
a
fire
and
the
units
are
so
small
that
the
mezzanines
that
the
second
floor
is
qualify
in,
at
least
in
every
case,
as
I
could
tell
as
mezzanines
and
don't
actually
require
that.
So
you
know
you
may
have
done
a
marketing
analysis
of
these
apartments,
but
you
know
particularly
the
basement
apartments.
I
can't
imagine
the
appeal
of
these
units.
K
Having
said
that,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
exactly
how
I'm
going
to
vote,
because
I
think
you
guys
deserve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
I
will
vote.
Yes
I
will
vote
no
about
recommending
the
zoning
variation.
I
have
nothing
against
the
bustle
on
the
trash
bustle
on
the
back,
but
I
think
that
the
number
of
units
that
is
being
crammed
into
this
poor
occasional
building
leaves
you
I,
I,
think
I.
Think
it's
too
many
units.
K
M
K
B
I
think
that
it
would
be
up
to
the
land
use
commission,
who
has
a
you,
know
more
of
a
broad
purview
to
look
more
in
depth
at
the
size
of
the
units.
The
number
of
units
I
think
that
they
would
be
the
proper
body
to
make
that
determination.
I
think
that
you
as
a
commission
could
say
that
you
think
it
meets
the
standards
that
that
you
have
to
meet
these
three
standards
that,
yes,
there
are
lands.
As
a
commission
looking
at
the
exterior
of
the
building,
we
would
give
a
positive
recommendation.
B
However,
I
think
you
would
also
be
able
to
to
say
that
you
would
encourage
them
to
take
a
closer
look
at.
You
know
that
the
body
that
is
charged
with
that
to
take
a
closer
look
at
it,
so
I
think
you're
limited
in
your
powers
and
the
standards
that
you
need
to
review
and
meet.
But
you
can
make
non-binding
recommendations
as
well,
if,
if
you'd
like
I,
think,
but
you
should
not
use
the
interior
spaces
or
the
number
of
units
to
make
your
determination
whether
the
standards
for
variation
recommendation
are
met
or
not.
Okay,.
H
Anything
in
the
past
we've
talked
about.
You
know,
maybe
not
wanting
to
go
on
the
record
of
approving
something,
but
really
the
past
emotions
saying
that
you
know
we
don't
I
mean
the
wording
we
can
talk
about,
but
that
you
know
we
don't
believe
that
the
seven
issue
involves
any
preservation
issues
and
sort
of
defer
to
that
community.
That
would
then
you
know
Evan
Stuart,
yeah.
B
H
So
we
could
just
decline
to
make
our
combination
on
the
basis
that
the
the
the
the
zoning
period
variations
aren't
related
to
the
preservation
issues
concerning
the
property.
Something
like
that.
K
A
M
May
I
just
direct
us
to
standard
number
two
on
an
alteration
that
says
the
distinguishing
original
qualities
or
character
of
a
property
shall
not
be
destroyed.
I
mean
I,
do
understand
that
I
mean
inherently
changing.
This
changing
uses
you're
going
to
there.
There
is
an
opportunity,
those
wreaths
on
the
southern
facade
are
going
to
be
removed
and,
and
that
I
mean
the
larger
quantity
of
of
units
lends
itself
to.
You
know
that
removal,
I
guess
right
I
mean
so.
A
K
I
would
also
point
out
that
the
research
contained
within
a
panel
and
that
the
re,
the
choice
of
a
reef
I,
don't
know
if
maybe
Glenn
can
tell
us
whether
that's
symbolically
somehow
relates
to
Masonic
imagery.
If,
in
which
case,
you
could
argue,
they
shouldn't
be
removed,
I,
don't
think
it
does.
So
you
know
if,
in
fact
those
were
Masonic
symbols
in
those
panels,
I
would
feel
differently,
but
the
wreaths
are
a
kind
of
the
general
purpose,
classical
piece
of
ornament
and
I.
H
I
mean
I
I
guess
I
would
like
to
see
us
I
mean
we'll
see
if
you
know
other
people
agree
with
this,
but
on
the
zoning
issue
I
would
like
to
you
know
basically
state
that
we're
not
approving
or
disapproving
because
we
don't
feel
it
has
a
I
mean
a
material
preservation
elements,
and
you
know
therefore,
I
mean
that
way.
We're
not
going
on
record
is
approving
the
density,
for
example,
which
many
of
us
may
have
done.
H
Mostly
non-preservation
issues
with
I
I.
Do
think
that
you
know
I'm
with
Jamie
that
it's
hard
to
vote
on
without
a
much
better
rendering
of
the
north
facade
I
mean
it
may
be
that
when
we
see
that
I
mean
you
know,
understandably
they're
going
to
need
to
put
Windows
in
the
north
facade,
and
we
understand
that
it
is
going
to
be
dictated
by
requirements.
That
may
not
just
be
what
the
north
facade
looks
like,
but
I
think
we
need
to
see
it.
We
may
have
suggestions
or
comments
on
it.
F
H
That
the
drawing
was
just
not
give
them,
you
know
just
didn't,
give
a
sufficient
information.
It
wasn't
a
very
close
case,
so
I
think
again
it
I
I
would
certainly
like
to
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
great
that
somebody
is
going
to
use
this
reuse.
This
building
and
I.
Think
to
you
know,
leave
it
vacant.
Have
it
potentially
someday
be
demolished,
would
be
a
real
mistaken.
A
sad
thing
to
do
and
I
think
you
know.
H
Evanston
has
a
lot
of
big
new
apartment
buildings
that
are
up
and
that
people
want
to
build
that
aren't
very
attractive
and
I.
Think
to
have
apartments
in
this
historic
building
is
just
would
just
be
wonderful,
but
you
know
again
I'd
like
to
see
the
full
project
before
voting
to
approve
it.
B
Well,
I
think
I
think
the
only
kind
of
CounterPoint
to
what
you
said
Mark
is
I
think
the
commission
should
consider
whether
the
variations
that
are
requested
are
are
necessary
in
order
for
it
to
be
adaptively,
reused.
Understanding
that
adaptive
use
is
is
a
central
tenet
of
of
preservation
and
historic
conservation.
If
they
weren't
to
be
preserved,
could
the
Adaptive
use
not
occur?
That
would
be
the
only
Counterpoint
the.
K
M
It's
it's
also.
It's
also
the
city
inclusionary
housing,
ordinance
that
that
is
a
contributor
to
the
number
of
units,
because,
if
you
know,
if
you
go
through
the
whole
math,
you
know
they
get
all
these
extra
units
if
they
provide
so
many
affordable
units,
and
so
you
that's
how
you
get
from
14
to
24.
B
It's
a
little
complicated
in
that
the
bonus
units
that
they
get
for
providing
the
three
on-site
affordable
housing
units.
They
get
two
additional
units
for
each
one.
So
that's
plus
six
those
six
units
don't
count
towards
the
the
density
of
the
building
as
an
as
an
incentive
for
for
them
to
provide
those
units
on
site.
So,
yes,
they're
they're,
proposing
30
units,
but
only
24
count
towards
the
density.
It's
a
it's
a
very
kind
of
strange
section
in
the
code,
but
that's
that's
how
yeah.
G
I
just
want
to
follow
Cohen
it's
a
bit
regarding
the
symbolism
it
I
just
did
a
quick,
Google
search
and
I.
Don't
know
if
anyone
else
did
looks
like
the
Laurel
or
the
wreath
is
important
in
the
Masonic
to
the
Masonic.
So
just
just
if
that
meant
anything
to
anyone
or
informs
that
your
thought
process.
L
P
Yeah
we
we
did
actually
discuss
that
to
to
relocate
them,
put
them
somewhere
on.
You
know,
we
thought
it.
It
doesn't
seem
appropriate
to
put
them
in
the
alley,
because
that
would
be
kind
of
dressing
up
the
back
side
of
the
building
a
little
bit.
But
you
know,
if
that's
a
you
know
a
requirement
or
if
that's
something
I
mean
we
did
actually
look
at
the
Windows,
replace
you
know
with
those
windows
potentially
putting
some
sort
of
a
pattern.
P
A
custom
pattern
to
kind
of
you
know
I
guess
have
some
reference
to
the
REITs
that
used
to
be
there.
You
know,
because
you
can
do
custom
volume
patterns
on
Windows.
Ultimately,
we
drew
that
up
and
we
we
saw
that
with
the
windows
that
the
existing
Windows
below
that
we
were
replacing
and
and
matching.
We
thought
that
the
building
it
it
looked
a
little
bit
more
appropriate
to
just
use
that
same
vocabulary
of
the
windows
that
are
going
to
stay
rather
than
kind
of
bring
a
reference
to
REITs.
P
That
used
to
be
there
that
again,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
building
for
the
first
time,
you'd
never
know,
oh,
that,
that's
because
the
wreaths
used
to
be
there.
So
so
the
intent
was
that
we
were
matching
the
windows
that
were
aligning
directly
below
just
from
the
elevation
standpoint.
It
looked
more
appropriate
so,
regarding
saving
that
I
would
imagine
that
it's
possible
to
save
masonry
to
you
know
to
carefully
saw
cut
that
out.
We
did
talk
about.
P
You
know
if
there's
a
way
to
save
that,
you
know
it's
definitely
something
that
you
know
we
would
be
open
to
doing
just
finding
a
location
for
that.
Just
you
know
putting
it
inside
the
building
I.
You
know
again,
you
know
how
that
is
implemented.
It's
something
we
could
study
it's
something
we
did
talk
about.
I
mean
we
are
sensitive
to
these
issues.
P
F
P
The
best
we
can
with
obviously
within
the
program
requirements
and
and
maintaining
you
know
the
exterior
of
the
building,
but
also
making
it
a
functional
building
and
and
and
having
a
purpose
for
the
building.
So.
P
Understand
all
the
comments
that
were
made
here
for
the
end
you
know,
but
you
know
and
again
with
the
wreaths
in
particular,
we
did
have
many
conversations
about
that
and
how
we
we
Implement
that
but
the
solution
that
we
have
right
now
with
the
windows
we
thought
looked
most
appropriate
when
we
were
looking
at
the
elevations
yeah.
L
L
I
think
maybe
it'd
be
worth
your
time
to
take
a
look.
Whether
or
not
you
can
reflect
a
little
bit
more.
The
rhythm
of
the
windows
on
the
other
side,
I,
don't
know,
there's
an
opportunity
to
provide
the
balconies.
You
know
maybe
slight
different
location,
so
you
can
actually,
you
know,
reflect
what's
happening
on
the
other
side,
because
it's
right
now
I
know
it's
it's
a
tertiary
elevation,
it's
the
the
one
that
it
doesn't
have
the
cladding
of
the
stone
all
that
stuff-
and
you
know,
he's
still
adding
new
fenestration
that
there
we
go.
K
Can
I
make
a
comment
on
when,
on
the
other
side,
when
you
infill
the
panels
with
the
double
casement
windows,
that
is,
if
I
remember
the
plants
correctly,
that's
actually
a
living
room
space
on
the
North
facade,
which
Kate
had
and
now
is
gone,
I'm
wondering
whether
the
you
could
actually
identify
the
living
room
Spaces
by
repeating
that
double
casement
window
rather
than
having
all
of
these
be
singles.
O
P
I
would
point
out,
though,
again
we've
done
many
studies
on
the
on
this
facade
and
again
the
balconies,
the
the
priority
to
have
operable
functioning
balconies,
because,
again
you
can't
just
put
it
back.
It's
got
to
meet
Ada,
it's
got
to
be
certain.
You
got
to
have
wheelchair
turn
around.
It's
got
to
be
five
feet
deep,
it's
got
you
know.
So
so
again,
it's
it's!
It's
not
as
simple
as
just
getting
to
all
line
up,
because
it,
you
know
again
we're
we
are.
P
You
know
trying
to
get
a
lot
to
work
in
a
relatively
small
space
in
a
big
blank
wall.
That's
you
know
and
there's
nothing
typical
about
the
structure
of
this
building.
Everything
is
concrete.
Everything
is
masonry,
so
I
I
know
that
there
was
a
comment
that
you
know
trying
to
squeeze
as
many
units
as
we
can
to
make
a
profit,
we're
just
trying
to
make
the
project
feasible.
Quite
frankly,
because
again,
there's
there's
nothing
simple
about
this
structure.
We
actually
had
the
building
3D
scanned.
P
We
had
a
company
come
in
at
considerable
expense.
They
actually
had
a
laser
Scan.
They
scanned
the
entire
interior
and
exterior
of
the
building
and
we
brought
it
into
our
model,
so
it
is
a
pretty
accurate
representation
of
the
building.
And
again
we
did
that
because
we
wanted
to
see
what
we
can
preserve,
what
we
can
keep
and
it's
you
know
the
the
structure
again,
it's
it's.
It's
definitely
a
challenge
to
to
just
make
this
feasible.
K
Oh
just
to
go
on
record
I
have
no
visual
problems
with
your
gropius
facade,
I
mean
the
window.
The
window
groupings
reflect
the
way
in
which
you
opposite
hand,
the
apartments
about
a
dividing
wall
and
the
visually.
The
groupings
of
Windows
actually
have
centers,
which
is
I,
guess,
ultimately,
a
classic
visual
centers,
which
is
ultimately
a
classical
idea.
So.
A
So
Kate
you
made
a
comment
about
on
the
zoning
variances
that
we
should
make
recommendation
based
on
the
preservation,
and
how
do
we
deal
with
that?
When
commissioner
Simon's
comment
about
how
do
we,
we
can't
make
that
Financial
basis?
So
how
does
that
work,
since
the
zoning
variances
are
directly
related
to,
as
was
just
said,
making
the
project
viable?
How
do
how
do
we
reconcile
that
with
preservation,
I.
B
Think
that
you
have
two
options:
I
think
that
you
could
either
not
make
a
recommendation
either,
because
you
don't
have
enough
information
or
you
don't
you
don't
think
that
it's
has
any
impact
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
or
I.
Think
you
could
ask
for
that
information
from
the
applicant.
We.
B
Understand
the
finances
of
the
project
and
why
it's
necessary.
K
Can
I
make
a
suggestion
about
all
of
this,
because
I
I
would
not
want
to
set
the
precedent
and
Mark
is
suggesting,
which
is
we,
as
a
as
a
body,
give
up
the
right
to
comment
on
or
recommend
or
not
recommend
zoning
variations,
but
clearly
off-site
parking
has
nothing.
You
know
it's
it's
it.
It
doesn't
fall
under
any
of
the
standards.
So
I
think
what
we
could
do
is
to
write
a
brief
statement.
K
That's
saying
in
if
we
vote
to
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
that
in
granting
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
we
are
recommending
the
zoning
variation
for
the
rear
yard
setback
for
the
trash
storage
area,
but
that
the
other
zoning
requests
do
not
apply
to
the
standards
for
certificate
of
appropriateness.
H
H
H
Because
it's
an
addition
to
a
relationship,
I'm,
not
saying
there's,
absolutely
no
relationship,
but
at
least
to
me
I
would
the
issues
the
preservation
issues
are
some
minor
or
distant
that
are
attenuated.
That
I
would
defer.
I
would
not
make
a
recommendation
for
against,
but
I
would
defer
to
the
cleaner.
H
Landius,
commission,
who
is
going
to
look
at
you
know
who's,
has
great
expertise
on
zoning
issues.
I
mean
this
is
a
lot.
The
number
of
units
is
a
constant
that
comes
up
that
they're
used
to
assessing
that
they're
equipped
to
make
assessments
about
financial
matters,
and
we
just
have
no
knowledge
of
that
and
I
mean
again
like
yeah,
commissioner
Reinhold
said
you
could
ask
for
financial
statements.
I
think
would
be
a
big
mistake
for
us
to
go
down
the
road
whatsoever
and
I
and
I
think
we
don't
have
to
make
any
recommendation
at
all.
G
F
G
Sorry
I
think
we
table
zoning
if
we
vote
on
a
continuance,
because
I
thought
that
was
the
direction
people
were
going
when
they
said.
There's
no,
it's
hard
with
the
limited
information
on
the
North
facade
to
make
to
vote
on
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
so
I
I
understand.
If
we
vote
on
it
for
continuance,
we
won't
give
zoning
it.
B
Would
wait
until
yeah?
We
would
wait
until
the
next
one
I
I
also
think
to
Mark
and
Stewart's
points
that
they
were
making,
and
it
says
that
the
commission
can
can
make
its
recommendations
to
the
appropriate
body.
It
doesn't
say
that
you
have
to
make
a
recommendation
in
in
the
affirmative
or
or
not
you
don't
have
to
say
yes,
I
think
they
should
be
approved.
You
could
say
we
didn't
have
enough
information
to
assess
the
financial
solvency
of
the
project.
B
One
of
your
recommendations
could
be
that
the
applicant
provide
that
information
to
the
appropriate
body
to
make
that
judgment.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
that.
Yes,
we
want
you
to
approve
it
or
no,
we
don't
think
so.
You
could
say
you
know
we
recommend
additional
information
or
we
recommend
you.
You
look
at
various
things,
but.
K
We're
we've
been
asked
to
make
a
determination
about
the
appropriateness
of
the
changes
to
the
outside
of
the
building,
while
the
while
I
would
argue
that
those
are
not
totally
independent
of
the
number
of
units.
I
would
argue
that
the
financial
considerations
that
may
dictate
the
number
of
units
are
not
directly
related
to
the
visual
decisions
we're
supposed
to
make
and
therefore
relevant.
That's
why
I
was
suggesting
that
you
know
that
we
just
deal
with
the
one
thing
that
falls
within
our
purview,
which
is
the
thing
on
the
Alley
alternately.
K
The
first
thing
I
said
is
that
I
would
vote
against
recommending
the
zoning,
because
of
my
feeling
about
the
number
of
units
now
I,
don't
know
how
how
your
client
would
address
that
I
suspect
that
there's
a
pro
forma
that
requires
a
certain
number
of
units
for
this
project
to
be
profitable
and
whether
saying
you
know
aesthetically
I
feel
there
are
too
many
units.
You
should
reduce
the
number
whether
that
would
be
voting
to
kill
the
project.
I
can't
I
have
don't
have
enough
information.
We're.
D
I
think
that
I
think
that
the
issue
of
the
number
of
units
is
within
our
purview
because
of
the
number
of
windows
that
are
added
to
the
building,
not
only
on
the
North
side,
but
then
also
at
the
basement
levels
on
both
sides,
particularly
on
the
south
and
then
the
addition
of
the
Gate
of
the
the
railing
along
the
main.
Along
that
main
facade
and
so
I
think
that
it
is
related.
If
there
were
fewer
numbers,
they
might
not
have
to
have
as
many
windows
at
the
basement
or
at
the
top
or
excuse.
B
Me
on
the
North,
yeah
I
would
just
say
that
the
you
know
you
should
pinpoint
the
appropriate
standards
that
you
have
concerns
with
the
number
of
openings
or
the
the
you
know,
rhythm
of
solids
devoids
and
the
facades
that
you
might
take
issue
with
and
that
that
might
be
inherently.
You
know
if
you
take
issue
with
that,
they
might
re-study
what
the
internal
floor
plan
looks
like,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
it
would
be
appropriate
to
say
we
want
you
to
reduce
the
number
of
Windows
in
order
to
achieve
that.
B
A
I
will
I
I
just
want
to
go
on
record
since
I'm
the
one
that
started
with
the
issue
of
the
north
elevation,
the
the
clarification
about
The
Terraces,
and
why
you
need
them
for
the
lot,
the
zero
lot
line
and
the
fire
separation?
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
so
you
know
the
idea
of
having
the
larger
recessed
openings.
A
It
makes
much
more
sense
now
that
you've
clarified
that
to
me
and
and
I,
don't
have
as
much
of
an
issue
with
the
idea
of
those
punched
openings
being
in
that
space,
because
it
does
provide
a
quality
of
living.
You
know
on
a
tertiary
facade,
so
I
am
less
opposed
to
it
than
I
was
when
it
first
started.
Just
hearing
your
clarifications
and
I
do
think.
A
H
Can
I
ask
a
few
I
mean
you
have
much
more
architectural
engineering
perception
perceptiveness
than
I
do
at?
Do
you
feel
like
the
drawing
is
inadequate,
just
description
of
it.
A
My
experience
with
buildings
of
this
type
since
it's
my
specialty
I
think
in
my
mind,
I
already
know
what
those
are
going
to
look
like.
I,
don't
know
if
that
appeases
all
of
the
Commissioners
on
setting
up
here
but
I,
think
I
can
very
easily
visualize
that
and
what
those
openings
are
going
to
look
like
and
what
the
lentils
will
look
like
to
make
those
openings
and
resets
because,
as
commissioner
Cohen
said,
I
think
we've
all
seen,
you
know
a
brick
facade
become
this
type
of
facade.
A
G
Okay,
I
just
was
gonna,
say
I
think
this
is
obviously
an
important
building.
So
I
would
like
to
see
more
personally
and
I.
Don't
have
the
same
background
you
do
so
I
can't
necessarily
visualize
what
that's
going
to
look
like
I.
Also,
the
part
that
stood
out
to
me
was
still
the
elevator
in
the
front
and
not
just
the
elevator,
but
the
railing
like
you
can't
see
that
as
well
in
their
rendering,
but
they
do
have
a
railing
there
too,
it's
glass,
but
the
top
is
dark.
I,
don't
like
it.
G
It's
like
throws
the
Symmetry
off
to
me
when
I
see
that
beautiful,
symmetrical
building,
there's
also
like
a
lantern
on
one
side
and
then
there's
not
any
other
I
I
personally
feel
like
that's
standard.
One
of
the
alterations
like
I
think
they
could
make
a
better
adaptation.
I
mean
I'm,
not
an
architect.
So
again,
that's
your
your
job,
but
I
would
like
to
see
other
I,
don't
know
scenarios
maybe
or
attempts
at
getting
it
off
the
front
of
the
of
the
building.
K
The
thing
that
occurs
to
me
again
about
the
relationships
of
the
units
to
the
design
is
that
if
the
number
of
units
on
the
North
side
were
reduced,
you
could
actually
do
a
plan
where
the
balconies
were
bigger.
That
is
the
recessed
balconies
that
you
can
have
operable
windows
and
doors
into
would
get
bigger.
They
would
do
a
better
job
of
lighting
the
interior,
but
you
would
have
to
reduce
the
number
of
units
along
that
one
side
by
I.
Don't
know
one
unit
per
se
for
that
side.
K
To
actually
have
that
have
have
your
idea
of
the
recessed
balcony
that
has
glass
on
its
three
interior
sides
lighting.
You
know
breakfast
area
living
room
and
a
bedroom,
for
instance,
that
might
that's
a
brilliant
solution
and
it
might
in
fact
alleviate
the
whole
issue
of
not
being
able,
because
of
the
fire
separation
the
fact
that
you're
on
the
property
line
not
being
able
to
have
offerable
Windows
there.
A
So
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
majority
of
the
commission
on
I
mean
we're
at
a
Crossroads
here
now
whether
we
do
a
continuance
and
we
ask
for
the
the
accessibility
ramp
to
be
studied
and
whether
we
ex
we
ask
for
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
North
and
possibly
alternative
options
to
be
studied.
That
would
be
one
option
and
we
asked
for
continuance
and
they
come
back
for
the
November
8th
meeting.
The
other
would
be
that
we
obviously
move
forward
with
this
proposal
as
stance
so
I.
A
M
I
I
would
feel
comfortable
getting
more
information,
especially
to
help
to
help
us,
but
then
I
think
moving
forward
to
also
help
the
land
use
and
for
and
the
city
council
moving
forward.
Just
have
those
that
more
information
would
be
helpful.
K
M
You
know
like
Susie,
you
said
you,
you
could
visualize
just
from
the
drawing
what
it
would
be
like,
but
I
feel
like
it
would
be
helpful
just
to
have
a
drawing
that
could
could
show
how
those
lentils
or
the
the
balconies
you
know
for.
M
K
Ask
them
Central
is
invisible,
except
when
you
look
up,
you
don't
see
it
from
the
front,
because
it's
actually
because
of
the
way
it's
set
up
into
the
Double
Y
of
brick
and
is
supporting
the
outer
band
generally,
people
paint
those
out
the
same
color
as
the
brickwork,
and
it's
not
it's.
If
it's
a
steel
lintel
as
opposed
to
a
stone
lentil,
it's
not
ever
thought
of
as
a
design
element
unless
you've
got
a.
You
know
a
soldier
course
over.
The
opening,
I.
P
Well,
it's
obviously
not
the
outcome
that
we
were
hoping
for,
because
I
mean
we've
worked,
really
hard
to
try
and
meet
the
standards
and
and
respect
the
elevations.
The
facades
I
understand
and
it's
interesting
to
hear
the
deliberation
and
the
thought
process
and
one
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
that
I
know
that
there
was
some
dislike
to
the
north
elevation
I
guess
to
put
it
that
way
and
then
a
re-justification
like
well,
we
don't
have
enough
information.
P
So
let's
get
it
kick
it
back,
so
I
I,
just
it
I,
don't
feel
that
it.
It
seems
like
there.
There
is
enough
information
on
that
elevation.
You
know
to
to
Stewart's
point,
you
know
it's
a
steel,
lentil
you're
not
going
to
see
a
big
one
piece
of
limestone
up
there,
I
I
agree.
We
don't
have
a
rendering
of
that
exterior
of
that
facade,
because
again
we
did
take
most
of
our
care
and
attention
to
the
historical
facades.
P
Not
you
know
kind
of
the
blank
wall
and
I
understand
that
you
do
see
that
from
the
inside
property
line,
but
as
far
as
I
I
don't
know
if
we
reload
you
know
the
other
comment
relocating
the
lift
that
we
have
on
the
front
facade.
If
we
move
it,
you
know
on
the
opposite
side,
then
you
see
it
from
the
south.
Again
we
kind
of
have
the
same.
You
know,
somewhere
we've
got
to
locate
this.
We
can't
locate
it
further
north.
It's
not
a
zoning
issue,
that's
not
even
our
property!
P
So
that's.
We
can't
move
it
on
the
other
side
of
that
property
line.
So
if
it's
not
on
the
front
of
the
building,
then
it's
going
to
be
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
or
it's
going
to
be
in
the
alley.
Those
are
our
three
options
we
found
the
spot
that
was
least
intrusive
gave
the
most
access
gave
the
person
that's
using
that
lift
respectable
access.
We
didn't
say,
go
through
the
alley:
go
through
the
basement,
go
through
the
side
door.
P
We
said
here's
the
front
of
the
building,
you
know,
and-
and
you
know
so,
we
we
located
that
we
thought
in
a
very
appropriate
location,
obviously
having
to
respect
the
building
is,
is
lot
lined
a
lot
line.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
room
to
work
with.
We
can't
put
in
50
foot
long
ramps.
P
You
know
this.
This
solution
seemed
to
be
an
appropriate
way
to
deal
with
the
facade.
I
know
you're,
primarily
supposed
to
be
looking
at
the
the
appearance
of
the
facade,
the
historical
nature
of
the
facade
and
I
believe
that
the
solution
we
came
up
with
addresses
a
lot.
You
know
all
of
those
points
and
you
know
I
understand
that.
There's
issues
with
you
know
window
fenestrations
number
of
units.
P
But
again
you
know
if
I
pulled
out
a
demising
wall
from
between
each
of
the
units
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
I'm
moving
windows.
So
I
know
that
you
have
issues
with
the
number
of
units
and
trying
to
you
know
justifying
that
as
to
potentially
changing
you
know
the
way
the
windows
look,
you
know,
but
again
we're
focusing
on
the
exterior.
P
We
believe
that
we
did
a
treat
all
the
facades,
all
the
elevations
as
appropriate,
as
we
could
within
the
program
within
the
character
of
the
building,
we're
not
altering
the
character
of
the
building
nobody's
going
to
be
driving
down
the
street
saying
you
know.
What's
going
on,
you
know
it's
it's
the
Masonic
Temple
still
granted.
It's
not
the
interior,
but
again
we're
here
talking
about
the
exterior
of
the
building.
So.
B
E
B
K
I,
don't
think
that
elevation
can
change
unless
you
change
the
floor
plans
behind
it
and
we
don't
have
any
ability
to
ask
you
to
to
reconsider
those
either
by
relaying
them
out
somehow
in
a
different
configuration
or
by
eliminating
one
of
the
units
along
that
side.
So
you
know
I
mean
I,
think
we
should
just
vote
on
this.
G
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
I
didn't,
of
course,
I
expect
the
applicant
and
the
architect
to
say
it's
enough
information,
but
only
we
can
decide
for
ourselves
whether
we
think
it's
the
information
we
want
to
see.
We
did
just
vote
on
a
continuance
for
the
prior
project,
which,
honestly
for
me,
was
a
much
less
significant
project
to
vote
on,
given
it
was
in
the
back
of
the
house,
barely
visible
from
the
public
way
like
this
is
one:
that's
really
significant
commercial
property.
G
B
I
would
I
would
just
say
that
in
in
the
last
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
argumentative,
but
in
the
in
the
last
case
there
was
specific
issue
taken
with
the
proportion
of
the
openings
compared
to
the
the
rest
of
of
that
rear
elevation,
particularly
so
you
were
asking
specifically
for
revisions
not
for
more
information
from
that
applicant,
where
I,
don't
necessarily
think
that
there's
at
least
consensus
on
the
commission
that
revisions
are
necessary
here
and
I.
Just
I
really
struggle
to
see
what
additional
information
you
would
ask
them
to
present.
G
Me
I
and
I
said
this:
I
want
I
would
want
to
see
the
elevator
moved
or
something
different
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
what
other
people
think
about
that,
but
that's
the
thing
that
stood
out
to
me
the
most
more
than
this
side.
Actually
it
was
the
front
because
that's
the
one,
that's
really
for
me,
the
main
like
facade
that
you
see
like
that's
the
one,
that's
the
one
that
they're
going
to
photograph
everywhere
and
every
book
on
architecture.
That's
that's
the
picture.
You're
gonna
see
you.
K
Know,
I
I
think
that
adequately
explained
the
difficulties
in
finding
a
location
for
the
handicap,
lift
literally
if
it
was
inside
and
you
had
to
enter
it
from
the
north
side.
You'd
be
entering
it
by
going
on
to
the
adjacent
property.
So
maybe
one
of
the
things
that
you
guys
could
consider
is
building
symmetrical
Wing
walls
off
of
the
higher
portion
of
the
ramp.
That
would
actually
Shield
those
and
might
afford
you
an
opportunity
to
incorporate
the
wreaths
into
them.
K
I,
just
don't
want
to
see
that
lift
is
part
of
the
Grandeur
of
that
entry
stare.
If
there's
some
way,
you
can
figure
out
how
to
Shield
that
from
from
head
on
and
from
the
south,
and
that
would
kind
of
make
me
happy,
but
again
it
costs
you
more
money
and
everybody
here
I
think
would
want
to
see
whatever
you
do
done
symmetrically.
As
an
extension
of
that
platform,.
D
Just
a
follow-up
comment
on
the
on
the
left
being
where
it
is,
it's
relying
it's
creating
your
path
of
travel
up
onto
the
the
landing
up
there
and
then
through
the
original
large
wooden
door.
So
the
correct
are
we
sure
that
those
can
be
made
accessible
with
you
know
accessible
hardware
and
whatnot,
and
because
it's
such
a
distinctive
feature,
I
don't
want
to
lose
those
doors
because
they're
on
the
path
to
travel
are
have
there
been?
D
P
Yeah
we've
the
way
we've
addressed
issues
like
that
in
the
past.
If
the
door
is
too
heavy
to
open,
We've
kind
of
run
across
that
also,
especially
on
a
windy
day.
You
know
the
code
is
pretty
vague
on
on
it's
pretty
clear:
on
opening
Force
for
doors
on
interior,
on
exterior
again
on
a
windy
day,
it's
going
to
be
harder
to
open.
Usually
we
the
way
that
we
address
that
would
be
through
like
Ada
operator
Hardware,
where
you
hit,
you
know,
push
a
button
and
it'll
be
an
open
and
close.
P
C
P
Though
that
we
are
going
to
keep
those
doors
refurbish
them
because
they
are
part
of
the
character
of
the
building,
so
so
it
you
know
to
address
any
kind
of
ADA
issue
that
I
think
that
would
probably
be
the
only
option
there
to
do
something
like
that.
P
We
did
look
at
the
clear
distances
on
the
platform
so
yeah
there
are
appropriate
yeah
for.
P
K
I
think
all
you
need
is
a
turning
radius
and
Ada
requires
that
you
have
a
certain
clearance
on
either
side
of
the
door
so
that
you
can
approach
with
a
wheelchair
and
actually
operate
whatever
the
hardware
is
and
I'm
sure
you've
got
push
bar
Panic
Hardware
on
the
inside,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
to
worry
about
these
guys
being
on
top
of
code
issues.
No.
D
I,
just
don't
want
to
have
to
then
you
know
deal
with
the
lift
where
it
is
on
the
front,
facade
and
then
also
potentially
lose
those
amazing
doors,
yeah,
yeah
and.
P
G
Thought,
commissioner
Cohen
had
a
good
thought
by
making
the
wing
walls
potentially
like
as
a
thought
where
it
would
hide
a
little
bit.
That
would
hide
that
and
you
could
use
the
phrases
again.
I
mean
I,
thought
I
mean
I'm,
not
designing
it
for
you,
but
I
thought.
That
was
a
good
consideration
for
you.
Yeah.
P
K
You
come
in
from
one
side
and
you
go
out
the
other
side.
So
it's
really
on
the
west
side
that
the
wing
wall
would
just
screen
the
thing
when
it's
in
the
lower
lowered
position,
yeah.
P
A
Okay,
I
think
we
need
to
find
a
resolution.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
items
to
discuss
tonight.
So
again,
we
are
back
to
the
item
of.
There
are
options
on
the
table,
which
is
to
make
a
motion
tonight
with
possibly
a
condition
that
they
need
to
study
the
wing
walls,
integrating
the
wreaths
with
an
administrative
review
and
possibly
a
subcommittee
review.
A
K
M
Since
I
was
the
one
that
made
the
the
I
am
comfortable
with
moving
forward
with
the
the
condition
for
the
wing
walls.
F
A
K
Susie,
the
the
to
suggest,
Wing
walls
is
actually
designs.
The
farm
I
think
when
Cade
writes
this
up,
it
should
be
visual
screening
of
the
lift
so
that
they
can
propose
whatever.
A
Whatever
they
feel
is
that
something
that
you
think
would
be
reasonable
on
your.
P
A
K
You
know
you
could
you
could
come
back
to
them
and
propose
of
screening
that
with
tall
evergreen,
bushes
yeah
and
do
it,
but
you
I
would
recommend
doing
it
symmetrically
on
either
side
of
the
of
the
stair
as
it
exists.
Yeah.
B
P
B
That
concern
I
think
the
idea
that
it's
just
kind
of
looking
at
screening
and
restoring
symmetry
generally
and
and
seeing
if
we
can
just
kind
of
study
that
and
find
a
resolution,
and
it
might
be
that
there
is
no
resolution.
You
know
this.
This
might
be
the
most
sensitive
resolution,
but
just
I
think
continuing
to
work
with
us
and.
P
P
G
F
G
K
P
Of
course
I
mean
we
want
this
to
be
successful.
I
think.
A
Joke
I
think
Cade
will
be
do
a
good
job
at
making
each
other.
So,
okay,
with
that
said,
I
would
love
to
have
a
commissioner
make
a
motion
with
the
condition
that
the
lift
will
be
a
visual
screen
for
the
lift
will
be
evaluated
with
administrative
review.
Is
there
a
commissioner
that
commissioner
Simon.
D
Wait
just
one
one
comment
for
the
motion:
could
we
also
say
that
a
requirement
would
be
a
good
effort
at
salvaging
the
wreath
features
on
site
in
some
manner,
yeah.
D
A
H
Right:
okay,
commissioner,
Simon
Okay,
so
I
move.
We
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1453,
Maple
Avenue,
it's
a
Landmark
property
case,
22
Prez
0173
to
alter
the
structure.
South
north
and
east
elevations
fenestration
construct
a
single
story;
trash
enclosure
at
the
East
Elevation
constructing
a
sexible
lift
at
the
west
elevation
and
install
rooftop
Mechanicals
in
the
Northeast
corners
of
the
rearmost
30
feet,
with
the
requirement
that
the
applicant
submit
for
administrative
review,
a
plan
for
visual
screening
of
the
accessible
lift.
F
F
A
H
I'm,
just
having
a
hard
time
tying
that
to
preservation
I
mean
it
is
a
you
know,
there's
some
potential
relationship
but
I
think
it's
a
little
hard.
It
sounds
kind
of
like
lecturing
the
zoning
and.
H
Exactly
yeah,
okay,
so
is
it
even
a
motion
to
I.
B
H
F
G
Good
feedback
and
I
don't
know
that
the
land
I
think
the
land
this
is
built
in,
so
that
they
get
feedback
from
a
different
direction.
I,
don't
know
I
I
thought
I,
don't
know
how
it
ties
to
like
all
of
that,
I.
Don't
think.
It's
even
articulated
that.
Well
in
here.
You
know
like
that.
It
has
to
tie
back.
I
didn't
read
that
anywhere
really,
but
I
think
we
should
give
the
feedback
they
can
do
what
they
want.
With
that
I
mean
that's
how
I
feel
about
it.
Yeah.
B
I
I
feel
like
you.
Could
you
could
say
that
you
don't
feel
like
the
standards
that
you
are
reviewing,
these
specific
variations
apply
to
the
exterior
alterations
that
are
that
are
being
proposed.
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
that's
an
issue
and
any
and
you
aren't
necessarily
giving
up
your
power
I
mean
you
always
are
empowered
to
make
these
recommendations.
If
you
so
choose,
the
only
thing
that
I
could
see
is
that
they
they
might
be
interested
generally
to
know
your
opinion.
B
H
B
Think
it's
been
deliberated
on
so
much
already
that
there's
a
really
extensive
body
of
of
you
know,
testimony
that
the
commission
has
given
as
to
the
rationale
for
not
provide
in
it
that
I
don't
know
that
you
need
you.
G
To
Cade
sorry
I
don't
know,
does
land
use
even
watch
these
I
don't
think
that
they
they
they
get.
The
sound
bite
like
I
think
they
get.
The
bullet
points
like.
B
G
Just
being
from
experience,
I've
gone
in
front
of
land
use
before
and
I
know
they
don't
always
read
everything
like
I
I
know
for
a
fact.
They
don't
so
I
would
suggest
making
it
really
easy.
If
they're,
if
you
feel
strongly,
you
should
put
it
in
either
emotion
or
a
sound
bite,
because
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
read,
not
everybody
I
shouldn't,
you
know,
I
I,
know
not
everybody
reads
it
just
and
that's
been
my
experience
when
I've
gone
in
front
of
them.
A
I
think
my
opinion
would
be
to
let
stuff
handle
it.
I
think
that
the
the
the
commissions
are
going
to
speak
pretty
freely
from
staff,
so
I
think
the
staff
report
I
know
that
we've
had
this
item
where
our
commission
findings
have
gone
to
city
council
for
things
such
as
other
cases
and
I,
do
think
that
when
the
staff
reports
are
attached,
I
do
think
that
they
look
at
them.
I
mean
we
can't
force
them
to
look
at
documents
if
they're
not
going.
F
G
A
B
And
I'll
just
mention
to
Adam,
and
you
know
we'll
be
in
touch
to
kind
of
discuss
and
discuss
everything
in
next
steps
as
well.
So,
okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
some
items
that
we
can
hopefully
get
through
relatively
quickly.
The
minutes
of
September
13th
I
did
not
receive
any
any
comments
from
any
members.
B
F
B
Okay,
staff
reports-
these
are
these-
are
relatively
quick.
I
just
want
to
keep
everyone
informed
of
next
steps
with
these
the
Legacy
Business
program,
the
latest
with
that
is
that
we
we
issued
an
RFP
from
the
city
for
a
website
and
also
Design
Services
for
identification
and
promotional
materials,
including
like
a
plaque
for
these
businesses,
we're
still
receiving
responses.
B
I
think
the
RFP
is
still
open
and
I
think
that
we
would
expect
that
person
to
be
selected
and
then
that
process
to
be
kind
of
fulfilled
by
sometime
in
early
spring,
April
or
May.
B
Next
steps
with
that
are
going
to
be
reviewing
primarily
the
program
Administration.
So
who
reviews
the
nominations
and
who
administers
the
financial
framework?
B
B
We
completed
our
the
last
of
the
the
three
surveys
and
we've
compiled
all
the
reports
and
we're
starting
to
kind
of
digitize
that
and
create
a
report
with
some
recommendations,
and
that
will
come
back
to
the
commission,
probably
in
December,
and
then
the
motion
for
that
would
probably
just
to
be
to
accept
it
and
hold
it
on
on
file
as
a
resource.
B
And
then
we
can
move
into
discussion.
I
didn't
receive
any
additional
comments
on
The
Preserve
2040
plan
I
did
send
out
the
document
to
representatives
from
landmarks
Illinois
and
received
some
good
feedback,
I
sent
it
out
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office
for
feedback,
and
then
we
also
circulated
that
document
with
about
30
or
35
former
Commissioners
on
and
received
feedback
from,
probably
five
or
ten.
So
far,
so
all
of
that
is
has
been
good
feedback.
They've
had
some
nice
suggested
changes.
B
A
lot
of
it
comes
with
just
kind
of
organizational
structure
of
the
document
seems
to
be
a
common
theme
about
wanting
to
understand
the
priorities
or
the
timeline
for
some
of
these
initiatives
in
a
more
visual
way
or
easier
way
to
understand
who
would
be
responsible
and
kind
of
what?
Maybe
the
burden
of
the
workload
looks
like
from
you
know
year,
one
to
three
year
five
to
ten
to
see.
B
If,
if
it's,
you
know
kind
of
a
realistic
framework
for
implementation,
so
I
don't
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
any
discussion
on
that
right
now.
Otherwise,
I
would
just
say
continue
to
send
me.
Your
feedback
and
I'll
probably
send
a
revised
draft
by
the
next
meeting
is
what
I
would
shoot
for
and
then
you'll
have
something
to
kind
of
chew
on
and
then
maybe
look
at
approving
the
document
in
December
or
January.
D
Okay,
yeah
I
would
just
ask
if
possible,
but
if
you
could
send
that
out,
like
a
prior
to
the
big
for
the
week,
yeah
I
just
ran
out
of
time
and
I
wasn't
able.
B
To
yeah
it's
like
yeah
yeah,
look
at
the
200
pages
in
the
packet
and
then
the
100
page
document.
On
top
of
it,
it's
it's
a
big
ask
for
sure
so
yeah
yeah.
We
can
do
that
absolutely
and
then
the
last
one
on
here,
I'll,
let
Carlos
cover,
but
the
Heritage
resource
design
manual.
This
is
something
we
looked
at
much
earlier
and
then
it
was
kind
of
put
on
hold
and
now
I
think
it's
revived
in
a
in
a
slightly
different
version.
So
I'll,
let
Carlos
speak
to
that.
L
Thank
you
Kate.
So
some
time
ago,
stat
was
asked
to
develop
design
guidelines
for
the
benefit
of
helping
applicants,
be
more
successful
with
their
projects
and
We
Gather,
a
subcommittee
composed
by
Stuart,
Jamie
and
Julie
hacker
and
also
Kade,
and
we
started
looking
at
them.
But
then,
as
we
met,
there
were
certain
issues
that
particularly
Julie
hacker
and
Stuart
were
concerned
about,
with
the
previous
design
guidance
that
were
published
in
line
and
then
were
no
longer
available.
L
F
L
We
put
that
back
and
then
one
of
the
recommendations
from
the
subcommittee
was
that,
instead
of
us
getting
every
so
often
to
look
at
a
chapter,
they
wanted
to
see
a
document
that
is
completed
from
from
beginning
to
end
so
that
they
can
actually
have
a
more
comprehensive
review
and
then
more
compressive
feedback.
L
So
we
are
about
ready
to
submit
that
to
this
subcommittee
for
their
additional
comments
and
then
once
they
provide
that
we
will
bring
it
to
the
commission
as
a
draft
of
the
document
to
present
this
as
a
k
did
previously
with
The
Preserve
2040
and
then
adopt
the
now.
It's
called
The
Heritage
resource
design
manual,
I,
think
that
would
try
to
kind
of
be
more
kind
of
friendly
upon
even
the
title
and
what
it
is
just
to
give
an
example.
L
Is
we
kind
of
show
the
path
how
to
move
from
point
A
from
B
if
you're
doing
alteration,
if
you're
doing
addition
and
Construction
in
those
three
areas
that
are
the
most
sought
after
type
of
certificate
of
a
propane?
Is
we
try
to
stay
local?
We
took
pictures
of
local
examples.
You
know
like
the
roof
materials
or
how
additions
work
with
the
roof
lines,
so
that
we
can
show
that
we
actually
are
looking
at
real
projects
rather
than
just
something
that
is
written,
I.
L
L
How
can
you
get
from
point
A
to
point
B
and
we
will
continue
reviewing
this
document,
as
things
would
appear
new
to
us,
like
maybe
new
materials,
new
technologies,
new
approaches
to
historical
preservation?
We
wanted
to
make
this
like
a
document
that
is
not
just
sitting
on
the
shelf
and
it
will
be
available
online.
You
can
download
it
by
sections
or
the
whole
document
and
there's
also
access
to
staff.
L
So
that's
the
idea.
So
within
the
next
I
would
say
five
to
ten
business
days,
you
will
receive
the
first
complete
document
and
then
I
will
ask
you
to
give
your
feedback
comments,
we'll
incorporate
those
and
then
we'll
submit
it
to
the
commission
also
for
an
additional
review.
So
we
hope
that
this
will
help
more
than
anybody
else.
The
owner
applicant
architect
contractor
more
than
us,
because
we
I'm
administering
the
ordinance.