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A
Thank
you
all
right.
So
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
tuesday's
december
7
2021
meeting
of
the
evanston
preservation
commission
I'll
declare.
We
do
have
a
quorum
of
six
and
possibly
seven
members,
the
as
the
first
matter.
We
have
to
vote
to
suspend
the
rules
to
allow
remote
participation
and
for
every
matter
we
have
to
do
a
role.
Call
vote.
A
So
we'll
take
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner,
I'm
sorry
so
the
motion
is
to
hold
the
meeting
virtually
commissioner
reinhold.
B
C
A
Commissioner
driller
aye,
mr
jacobs
aye
and
I'm
an
I
I'm
assuming
stewards
still
can't
hear
us
all
right,
so
we
only
have
two
matters
of
new
business
tonight
for
each
matter.
I
know
I
think
that
the
architects
were
wrote.
The
applicants
will
appear
for
us
before
but
anyway,
if
any
speaker
could
first
of
all,
could
everybody
who
isn't
speaking
mute
their
computers?
D
Mark
mark
just
a
quick
question
before
we
go
any
further.
If,
if
I
go
offline
for
a
second
and
try
and
help
stuart
out
via
the
phone,
do
we
still
have
a
quorum.
A
We
do
I
mean
I
don't
I
mean
you
want
to
just
take
a
second
and
try
to
do
it.
I
don't
know
what
to
say
it.
D
A
Okay,
I
did,
I
did
send
a
text
to
all
right,
so
each
we'll
ask
each
person
speaking
to
start
by
introducing
themselves.
Even
if
your
name
appears
we,
you
know,
we
need
your
name
stated
for
the
record
and
for
the
video.
A
So
the
first
matter
of
new
business
is
2514
harrison
street,
which
is
a
landmark
home,
not
in
the
short
district-
and
I
believe
I
saw
is
mr
kang,
the
architect
going
to
speak.
Yes,.
E
My
name
is
sam
king,
I'm
the
architect
for
this
project
representing
the
owners.
Mr
mrs
chang.
A
E
Okay,
so
the
proposed
project
is
mostly
interior,
but
there's
some
exterior
reworking
of
windows
on
the
south
side
and
on
the
east
side,
the
south
side
is
an
existing
porch
that
they
wanna
yeah.
If
you
just
go
down
to
the
exterior
elevation,
there's
no
work
on
that
side,
that's
the
east
side
and
then,
if
you
go
down
to
the
south
elevation,
you
see
the
existing
on
the
left
and
propose
on
the
right.
E
They
wanted
to
redesign
the
entrance
into
the
porch
area
to
create
a
better
pathway
into
their
house,
which
aligns
with
their
hallway
down
further
and
and
also
make
it
more
symmetrical
with
the
rear
of
the
house
right.
Currently,
it's
offset
the
entrance
and
the
windows
are
off
offset
to
the
right
it
just
it's
out
of
balance
and
there's
different
materials
below
the
windows.
E
So
we
want
to
relocate
the
staircase
and
entryway
and
make
it
more
symmetrical
in
the
rear
of
the
house
and
replace
the
paneling
and
below
the
windows
with
the
same
narrow,
ship-left
siding
so
that
it
matches
the
existing
house,
the
main
part
of
the
existing
house
better
and
then
on
the
east
elevation.
Oh
also,
on
the
that
south
side
elevation
there's
a
couple
windows,
we
want
to
replace
they're
they're,
not
in
good
condition
and
one
of
the
windows
on
the
right
side.
E
The
reason
that's
shorter
is
because
they're
redoing
the
rooms
upstairs
you'll,
see
the
floor.
You
can
look
at
the
floor
plan.
They
want
to
add
a
bathroom
for
a
master
suite
on
that
right
side
and
that's
over
a
toilet
location
that
window
so
that
needed
to
be
shorter
to
clear
the
toilet
tank
on
the
east
elevation.
E
There's
couple
window
changes:
one
is
at
the
kitchen
on
the
left.
First
floor
left
side,
there's
a
existing
double
window.
We
want
to
replace
based
on
a
new
configuration,
the
kitchen
layout
and
then
there's
a
window
on
the
second
floor
on
the
right
side,
they're,
switching
the
master
bedroom
from
the
front
of
the
house
to
the
rear
of
the
house
adjacent
to
the
new
bathroom
in
the
rear.
So
the
front
room
is
more
of
a
guest
room
which
requires
a
another
closet.
E
So
if,
if
you
look
at
the
floor
plan
later,
you
see,
the
closet
requirement
requires
that
window
to
move
over
to
the
right,
but
because
of
the
egress
requirement
for
the
bedroom,
we
had
to
make
it
a
little
wider
to
meet
the
egress.
The
current
window
does
not
meet
egress
in
the
bedrooms
or
in
this
bedroom
at
least,
and
so
we
we
would
prefer
the
homeowner
would
prefer
to
have
a
similar
original
size
window
there,
but
because
of
egress,
we
had
to
make
it
wider.
E
Unless
this
this
recommending
body
can
recommend
to
the
city,
you
know
building
department
that
can
go
with
the
narrower
version,
that's
what
they
prefer,
but
the
only
reason
is
wider
is
because
of
the
egress
requirement
on
the
porch
on
the
left
side.
It's
similar
to
what's
existing
there
with
the
transom
and
the
casement
windows
so
but
we
are
changing
the
siding
similar
to
the
rear
south
side
with
the
ship
websiting
taking
the
paneling
off
so
that
it
blends
in
with
the
existing
house
better.
E
So
it
doesn't
look
like
an
addition,
and
so
that's
our
proposal
on
the
changes
in
the
west
and
east
side
of
the
porch
would
be
similar
to
that.
The
east
side.
The
west
side
doesn't
have
windows
like
this,
but
oh,
we
want
to
replace
the
with
similar
siding.
E
There's
yeah
it's
just
a
solid
wall,
so
we're
going
to
replace
the
siding
to
match
existing.
E
So
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
floor
plans,
but
that's
the
scope
of
the
work
is
really
to
make
that
more
attractive,
attractive
in
the
rear,
with
the
balance,
symmetrical
interest
rate
centered
window
arrangement,
and
it
really
helps
with
the
traffic
flow
in
the
house
as
well.
A
What
were
the
the
additional
photos
that
are
slides
that
were
just
distributed?
I
know
I
couldn't
load
them.
They
were
very
large.
E
That's
the
bedroom
window,
that's
going
to
be
shifted
to
the
right
and
then
a
lot
wider
to
meet
egress.
B
I
have
a
question:
was
there
a
any
type
of
comparison
to
the
profiles
of
the
new
win
replacement
windows
and
the
original
wood
windows.
E
E
A
E
I'm
sorry
that
was
a
detailed
existing
window,
the
dimensions
and
we
sent
a
separate
drawing
of
that
with
pictures.
But
it's
similar
to
what
you've
been
showing
on
the
pictures.
I
don't
have
that
information
in
handy,
but
from
what
I
know
the
sashes
I
could
get
that
information
is
very
similar
in
size.
It's
a
you
know
a
weathershield
signature
series
and
we
could
get
that
information
for
you,
this
sizes,
but
I
know
it's
very
similar.
D
E
Correct
yeah,
that's
the
main
reason:
the
ease
of
operation.
E
Yeah
that's
option.
We
could
look
into
it
sure
if
that's
what
the
board
recommends
here,
that's
we
could
make
it
a
simulated.
Double
hung.
Look.
B
I
would
I
would
recommend,
since
it
is
a
landmark
home
cade,
can
you
clarify
how
visible
are
the
east
windows
I
mean
the
south
is
obviously
from
the
alley,
but
how
visible
is
it
used.
F
That
the
second
floor
window
in
the
bedroom
is
is
really
pretty
visible
from
the
sidewalk
and
from
the
street.
I
would
say
that
the
kitchen
window
is
it's
also
highly
visible,
but
you
wouldn't
notice,
for
example
like
the
simulated.
If
that's
what
you
went
with
the
look
of
a
double
hung,
I
don't
think
you'd
be
able
to
readily
tell
the
difference.
B
I
actually
was
just
saying,
since
it
is
a
landmark
home
I
would
recommend
and
however
the
commission
would
like
to
go.
I
I'd
at
least
recommend
that
the
there
is
an
administrative,
strategic
review
of
the
profiles
of
the
weather
shield
windows
and
it
sounds
like
the
applicant
can
get
that
fairly
readily
of
a
comparison
between
the
original
windows
and
then
replacement
windows.
Just
to
make
sure
that
the
sections
are
are
close.
B
I
And
one
of
my
items,
just
for
consideration
might
be
that
window
the
bathroom
window
on
the
south
elevation,
that's
going
to
be
smaller
than
what's
existing.
I
C
C
C
E
It'll
be
a
great
change.
Mrs
chang.
A
Yeah
all
right,
we
better
move
on
all
right,
so
it
sounds
like
we
have.
I
think
three
different
pieces
to.
I
mean
you
know
to
incorporate
in
the
motion
for
administrative
approval.
D
All
right
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
regarding
2514
harrison
street
21,
prez
0169
a
landmark
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
existing
structures,
fenestration
on
the
east
and
south
elevations,
and
replace
existing
wood
panel,
siding
on
the
rear
volume,
single
story
edition,
with
cedar
clabert
siding
to
match
the
existing
sightings
exposure
applicable
standards.
Alteration
one
through
ten
all
above
said,
subject
to
administrative
review
on
number
one:
the
kitchen
window
being
changed
to
a
single
casement
with
a
simulated
meeting
rail
to
look
like
a
double
hung.
D
Number
two
to
review
the
construction
and
profiles
of
the
existing
wood
windows
to
remain
and
their
compatibility
with
the
new
proposed
weather
shield
windows
and
number
three
to
review
the
bathroom
second
floor
window
becoming
the
same
size
as
the
adjacent
one
to
the
existing
size
that
it
is
now.
Okay,.
B
A
Second,
susie
all
right:
dor
walcott,
commissioner
reinhold
aye
commissioner
morris
hi,
commissioner
bowdan
hi
stewart.
You
can
point
up
if
you
can
hear
us
and
want
to
approve
stewart's,
and
I
commissioner
dweller.
C
A
Commissioner,
jacobs
hi
and
I'm
an
I
so
thank
you
very
much
so
thank
you.
Look
so
you'll
submit
revisions
back
to
kade
and.
G
A
K
Wow
2021-
and
I'm
still
doing
that
right.
Sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
for
the
introduction
and
the
the
owners
are
also
on
the
call,
as
well
as
someone
from
my
office.
So
in
a
worst-case
scenario,
where
zoom
goes
away,
we
have
folks
to
carry
on
so
the
project
is
is
an
addition.
Interior
and
exterior
renovation,
there's
a
small,
mostly
opaque
edition
and
deck
at
the
back.
K
That
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
a
new
addition
to
allow
the
expansion
of
the
kitchen
and
a
living
space
in
a
rear
entry,
as
well
as
a
an
uncovered
deck
and
a
screen
porch,
as
we
described
in
the
application
the
project
is
cr
is
requires
a
a
minor
zoning
variation
and
that's
been
submitted.
K
The
maximum
building
coverage
is
30
and
with
the
the
screen
porch,
we
are
at
33.1
percent.
I
can
speak
to
that
more
if
it's
of
interest
to
the
commission
in
terms
of
the
interior,
it's
a
fairly
significant
interior
renovation,
kitchen
bathrooms
and
on
the
exterior,
we're
proposing
to
replace
the
existing
aluminum
siding
with
james
hardy
fiber
cement
siding
just
as
a
note.
Our
current
the
current
owners
purchased
the
home
from
the
previous
owner,
who
had
applied
for
and
received
approval
to
change
to
hardy
siding.
K
We
are
also
making
other
changes,
including
exposing
as
long
as
the
bricks
in
decent
shape,
exposing
the
brick
fireplace
to
the
chimney
on
the
south
and
tuck,
pointing
that
a
number
of
the
windows
are
in
very
bad
condition
and
after
a
lot
of
conversation
with
the
owners,
we've
we're
proposing
to
replace
most
of
the
windows,
not
all
of
the
windows,
but
most
of
the
windows
with
marvin
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows.
K
There
are
a
number
of
there
are
art,
glass
windows
on
the
front
on
the
west
and
also
on
the
north.
The
ones
on
the
north
are
in
in
good
shape
and
are
are
being
retained
on
the
north.
They
are
in
in
very
bad
condition
and
we're
proposing
to
replace
them
with
windows
with
the
marvin
windows
that
would
receive
a
decree-led
treatment
to
replicate
the
the
existing
leaded
windows.
K
K
So
our
approach
here
was
to
have
casement
windows,
one
of
which
would
be
large
enough
to
meet
the
egress
requirement
and
all
three
of
which
would
provide
the
required
vent,
and
those
would
have
the
simulated
check
rail
to
approximate
the
cottage
style
windows
that
were
there
before,
but
return
to
the
facade,
the
arch
top.
That's
currently
concealed
the
front
door
remains,
and
there
are
no
other
changes
to
the
front
of
the
porch.
K
There's
one
window:
that's
worth
looking
at
there
on
drawing
6.1
the
the
stair
we're
reusing.
The
space
of
there
are
two
stairs
that
go
up
upstairs
so
there's
one
stair
from
the
second
floor
up.
There
are
two
stairs
in
parallel
that
go
from
the
first
floor
to
the
landing
we're
using
the
space
of
one
of
those
stairs
for
the
for
for
for
another
use
as
part
of
the
kitchen
and
so
there's
a
window.
K
If
you
compare
the
existing
to
the
proposed-
or
you
can
just
stay
here
on
6.1
there's
a
window
that
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
bay
of
the
stair,
which
you
see
there
with
the
gable
and
because
there
will
be
we're
filling
in
the
floor
there
to
create
space,
we're
proposing
a
new
window
window
further
up
at
the
at
the
third
floor.
K
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
useful,
okay
to
kind
of
go
back
and
forth
between
existing
and
proposed
there.
So
you
can
see
the
window
h
is
to
the
left
of
the
bay.
That's
there,
because
it's
at
the
landing
and
the
landing
is
going
away.
Hopefully
that's
clear.
So
those
are
glass
windows
at
this.
K
At
the
stair
are
all
in
good
condition:
they
don't
need
to
operate
because
they're
not
light
vent
considerations,
so
those
are
all
staying
and
the
art
glass,
the
clear
story,
art
glass
at
the
entry-
is
staying
with
no
change
as
well.
K
So
another
change
in
terms
of
the
change
to
existing
window
locations.
This
is
the
existing
on
the
south
or
I'm
sorry
on
the
east.
You
can
see
the
small
addition
that's
going
to
go
away
with
the
roof
line
of
the
of
the
proposed
first
floor
edition
to
replace
it.
Those
windows
are
being
filled
in
to
make
way
for
the
addition,
as
you
can
see,
and
additional
windows
are
being
added
on
the
north
and
south.
K
So
the
brick,
the
existing
the
home,
has
a
brick
foundation
so
for
the
planter
and
the
from
the
foundation
up
to
the
siding,
we're
also
continuing
the
brick
that
would
be
painted
to
match
the
existing.
K
There's
a
mix
for
the
at
the
basement
of
the
existing
house.
There
are
some
vinyl
sliding
windows
and
there
are
also
some
wood.
I
think
some
are
fixed
and
christy
can
christy
in
my
office
documented.
These.
I
think
some
some
are
are
awning,
but
I
think
a
couple
are
fixed,
but
they're
wood
and
so
we're
unifying
all
of
the
basement
windows
with
the
aluminum,
clad
wood
iron
windows
and
then
for
the
ones.
The
the
wood
windows
that
have
the
these
divided
lights.
We're
using
the
simulated,
divided
light.
K
That's
right-
and
I
think
that's
that
should
have
been
described
in
in
the
in
the
application
but
yeah
the
the
marvin
lugz
are
it's
it's
the
double
hunks
with
the
lugs.
Yes,.
D
And
how
is
the
leaded
treatment
achieved
on
in
the
new
marvin
windows.
K
So
this
is
something
that
was
was
I
learned
a
lot
on
this
on
this
project
so
far
already,
but
it's
a
a
product
that
is
available
through
at
least
when,
when
the
windows
are
purchased
through
ashland
millwork
that
it's
actually
a
lead,
it's
simply
just
attached
to
the
exterior
it's
it's
they're,
basically
leaded
windows,
but
instead
of
individual
lights.
It's
a
pattern.
That's
attached
to
the
front.
K
And
the
owners
get
credit
for
for
for
searching
that
out
and
finding
the
the
person
at
ashland
that
had
provided
those
for
other
windows
that
have
been
approved
in
by
this
commission.
C
I
Little
the
leading
is
there's
more
letting
on
the
replacement
ones
than
there
was
on
the
existing.
K
That
I
I
will
you
know
chrissy-
did
an
amazing
job
putting
this
together,
but
I
I
think
that
might
just
be
a
drafting
thing.
I
don't
know
of
any
reason:
it's
it's
custom-made.
It's
not
like
this
is
something
that
you
buy
and
snap
on,
so
it
should
be
able
to
match
exactly
the
only
place
where
it
might
be
slightly
different.
Is,
I
think,
and
chrissy
correct
me.
K
If
I'm
wrong
in
the
third
floor,
where
we're
taking
the
arched
cottage
window
and
making
that
a
casement,
that's
operable,
I
think
that's
like
one
or
two
inches
wider,
completely
unnoticeable
but
meets
code.
So
I
think
the
pattern
might
be
just
slightly
differently,
but
otherwise
it
they
should
all
match.
A
Okay,
we'll
return
to.
Is
there
any
discussion
by
the
commission
as
to
the
merits
of
the
proposal.
K
Yeah
there's,
I
have
not
seen
this
in
person,
but
I
know
in
the
literature,
there's
actually
a
range
of
slightly
different
coloration,
so
we
would
sit
down
with
the
paddle,
like
you
would
with
the
grout
kit.
Essentially,
I
think
there's
at
least
a
handful
so
that
we
could
get
as
as
close
as
possible
to
what's
there
now.
D
Have
some
concerns
about
it
as
well
thomas?
Could
you
speak
to
the
the
origin
of
that
arch
and
the
and
for
me,
particularly
the
the
panel
and
baton
strip,
motif
above
the
arch
and
and
how
you
feel
that
relates
or
or
starts
to
do
its
own
thing
versus
the
existing
home.
K
Sure
so,
I
think
just
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
the
process,
so
we
looked
at
a
number
of
different
roof
forms
and
felt
that
the
gable
reflected
the
house
fairly
well,
and
the
next
priority
was
to
bring
as
much
light
as
possible
into
the
space
and
to
be
able
to
enjoy
the
backyard.
So
in
terms
of
the
glazing,
that's
this,
the
sizes
of
the
openings
and
the
with
the
simulated
divided
lights.
K
While
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
glass,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
really
nice
backyard,
so
they're
hoping
to
be
able
to
enjoy
it
and
it's
a
vaulted
ceiling.
So
we
were
able
to
bring
some
light
in
and
we
did
look
at
windows
that
would
create
a
triangular
form,
as
there
are
triangular
windows
on
the
bay
that
are
different
from
the
others.
K
It
didn't
feel
right.
I
don't
think
for
us-
and
you
know,
ben
and
royce.
The
owners
are
here
on
the
call
and
they
can
speak
to
that
as
well
as
far
as
the
the
material.
K
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
mean
clearly
it's
you
know
what
the
ordinance
refers
to
is
an
innovative
design.
That
is,
you
know,
a
real
contrast
to
the
rest
of
the
home
in
a
lot
of
ways
I
mean
it
does
seem
like
the
key
things
and
the
code
for
alterations
are
number
one
that
innovative
design
you
know
is
not
discouraged,
albeit
compatible
with
the
existing
features
of
the
house
and
then
also
the
next
criteria.
A
Is
it
really
focuses
on
whether
alterations
could
be
removed
or
whether
they're
really
destroying
the
integrity
of
the
different
of
the
original
structure
and
the
fact
that
it
is
really
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
separate
detachable
alteration.
I
think
did
sway
me
that
it
would
be
okay.
You
know
it's
not
like
it's
really
altering
the
existing
historic
home,
but
it's
it's
clearly
an
issue.
I
mean
it's
hard
to
get
around
the
fact
that
it's
an
issue.
D
I
think
for
me
the
house
is
eclectic
enough
and
not
of
a
super
strong
flavor
stylistically,
that
to
to
break
from
that.
Some
of
the
rules
of
the
existing
home
on
on
a
rear
edition
feels
okay.
The
arch
is
such
a
strong
element
that
I'm
not
sure
there
was
another
a
better
way
to
go
about
it.
I
would
I
don't
think
that
the
that
the
triangular
window
would
have
been
successful.
As
you
said,.
K
No,
I
would
just
say
just
along
those
lines,
commissioner
jacobs.
We
did
look
at
removing
the
arch
window
or
we
we
looked
at
having
it
without
the
arched
window
and
trying
to
achieve
the
the
light
from
above
and
the
cathedral
ceilings
with
skylights,
but
it
just
felt
like
kind
of
a
heavy
forehead
without
any
kind
of
fenestration
there
stuart.
Could
you
hold.
D
Okay,
is
it
possible
to
make
stuart's
video
larger
on
the
screen.
K
We
did
look
at,
and
I'm
not
sure,
ben
and
royce
if
it
made
it
if
it
ended
up
on
the
cutting
room
floor.
But
I
know
when
we
were
looking
at
this
in
the
office.
We
did
look
at
rectangular,
clear
story,
windows
that
were
just
sort
of
stacked
on
top
of
each
other
and
that
stepping
feature
of
having
rectangular
windows
seemed
even
more
foreign
than
the
arch
to
us
anyways.
K
If
you're
going
to
have
window
there,
it's
it's
rectangular,
it's
arched
or
it's
triangular,
echoing
the
the
line
of
the
gable
and
the
the
rectangular
windows
that
were
approximating
the
amount
of
glass
seemed
a
little
bit
awkward
with
the
stepping
a
little
bit
wetting
cakey
in
terms
of
the
appearance
of
the
windows,
and
I
think
what
I
was
seeing
in
stuart's
sketch
was
sort
of
replicating
having
the
look
of
two
double
hung
windows
in
the
place,
and
it
doesn't
look
bad
from
the
outside
when
we
looked
at
it
in
the
model.
K
In
a
perspective
view
from
the
inside
to
have
that
much
wall
with
glass
below
and
then
two
sort
of
punched
windows,
it
seemed
like
somebody
had
taken
out
the
floor
and
exposed
attic
windows.
They
didn't
quite
fit.
We
thought.
I
K
We,
you
know,
we've
looked
at
it
with
the
owners
and
and
they
they
seem
to
be
fine
with
it.
So
I
think
we
are.
K
We
that
does
have
glass
on
both
sides.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
looked
at
would
be
making
it
and
and
ben
you
can
jump
in
here
if
it
were
two
separate
fireplaces
so
that
it
could
be.
You
know,
with
an
insulated
wall
between
so
that
they
could
be
wood
burning.
K
Yeah,
no,
that
is
something
that
has
has
come
up
and
we
I
haven't
done
the
homework
on
the
and
I
bet
ben,
has
on
the
depth
of
the
fireplaces
that
are
available.
The
we're
trying
not
to
impede
and
extend
into
the
living
room
or
into
the
screen
porch
too
much
and
carlos
has
a
question.
J
Divide
the
lights,
so
that
would
be
more
in
the
same
scale
as
the
windows
that
are
the
double
hungs.
It
seems
to
me
that
you
know
the
the
privilege
commission
is
from
the
outside
and
you
were
talking
about
the
impression
you
get
from
the
inside.
J
Unfortunately,
you
know
that
that's
sort
of
a
situation,
sometimes
that
is
difficult
to
resolve
that
will
satisfy
the
exterior
and
interior
appearance.
But
in
my
opinion
the
arch
is
a
little
bit
too
busy
for
what
is
there
for
the
rest
of
the
house
in
terms
of
the
number
of
light
seals
that
you're
looking
at.
J
The
panels
above
it
it's,
I
don't
know
what
color
that
would
be,
but
it's
it
seems
to
me,
that's
introducing
a
different
element,
and
I
don't
know-
and
I
don't
know
necessarily
that's
innovative
overall,
the
the
the
roof
form
and
the
volume
scale
seem
to
be
okay
and
it
could
be
removed.
J
L
Yeah,
I'm,
I
agree
with
you
carlos,
and
I
think
that
the
the
siding
on
the
main
house
is
very
traditional
and
has
a
very
strong,
horizontal
design
and
it
would
be
nice
to
then
you've
got
this
very
vertical
look
of
the
paneling
and
the
gable
end.
Here.
Maybe
something
like
you
know,
a
shingle
or
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
traditional
and
at
least
blends
with
the
time
period
of
the
house
a
little
bit
more.
K
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
so
replacing
the
the
panel
with
with
a
the
shingle
or
not
a
shingle,
yeah
shingle
material.
D
F
I
just
it
just
comes
from
the
survey
sheet.
I
agree
that
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't.
Have
a
strong
colonial
revival
feel
to
me
other
than
perhaps
the
the
treatment
on
the
front
porch.
I.
H
And
and
there's
some
symmetry.
H
A
little
bit
of
some
symmetry
going
on
there,
I
so
I
was
on
the
fence
about
the
the
just
getting
back
to
the
arch
in
the
back.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
just
note
that
in
my
time
being
on
the
commission,
this
was
the
best
letter
from
an
architect
that
I
have
read
so
far.
So
very
well
done.
Thank
you,
for
it
got
to
the
point
explained
what
you
needed
to
explain
and
was
very,
very
helpful.
H
So
in
any
case,
I
I
I've
been
on
the
fence
about
this
arch.
It
feels
you
know
I
want
to
let
people
do
what
they
want
to
do,
to
the
extent
that
they
can
and
especially
in
a
rare
addition.
It
feels
like
the
radius
of
this
arch
is
fighting
a
little
bit
with
the
palladian
radius
on
the
front.
H
If
there's
any
way
to
have
some,
I
don't
know
memory
of
that,
because
it's
pretty
special,
the
palladian.
You
know
you're
going
to
a
lot
of
trouble
to
to
put
it
back.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
what
the
I'm
not
going
to
suggest
you.
What
what
to
do?
I'm
just
saying
that
there
is
an
pre-existing
sort
of
precedent
for
an
arch
on
this
building
and
it's
pretty
special.
K
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
didn't
lead
with
that,
because
I
I
I
could
see
that
you
all
might
think
that
it's
a
bit
of
a
stretch
to
go
from
an
arch
top
window
that
wasn't
there
that
we're
showing
to
a
much
larger
radius
window.
But
we
also
thought
that
it
wasn't
without.
H
D
I'm
also
curious
about
how
we
feel
it
relates
to
the
pointed
kind
of
gothic-y
windows
around
the
side,
but
the
existing
home
has
some
competing
windows
to
play
with.
It
seems
like
the
an
arch
paladian
would
be
a
way
to
to
get
the
bigger
volume
of
glass
that
you're
looking
for
without
the
wedding
cake
kind
of
post-modern
solution
that
I
think
you
correctly
rejected
earlier.
K
Yeah,
I
would
have
to
say
that
this
has
been
an
interesting
challenge
for
us,
because
when
a
house
does
have
something
a
style
that
seems
really
consistent,
it
kind
of
makes
it
a
little
bit
easier
and
I
felt
like
the
palladian
window
and
the
kind
of
single
really
large
double
hungs
and
then
the
I
think
gothic
is
the
right
word,
the
it's
it's
it.
K
It
is
already
a
bit
of
a
mix,
so
I
mean,
I
think
for
us
and
I
think
for
ben
and
royce,
I
think
the
as
as
long
as
the
solution
allows
in
the
the
morning
light
the
eastern
light
above
the
line
of
the
of
the
top
plate
of
the
wall.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
been
studied,
but
we
we
felt
this
was
the
best
solution.
D
I
I
do
want
to
state
for
the
record
that
I
don't
object
to
the
amount
of
glazing
on
the
rear
edition.
I
think
it
has
a
a
nice
kind
of
greenhouse-y
kind
of
open
feel
to
it
that
sets
itself
off
from
the
solidity
of
the
main
house
in
a
not
an
objectional
way
at
all
in
a
nice
way.
I
think.
H
I
I
want
to
say
that
I
agree
with
that:
it's
not
the
for
me,
it
wasn't
the
glazing
and
it
might
not
even
be
the
arch.
I
was
wanted
to
hear
what
you
had
to
say
about
it.
It's
just
that
there's
two
different
race.
I
We're
definitely
being
presented,
you
know
a
new
shape
of
an
arch,
a
new
arch
shape
and
then
with
those
vertical
batons
there
then
that's
definitely
a
new
element
as
well
and
so
and
then
even
the
awning
kind
of
contributes
to
that
verticality
as
well.
Just
with
those
lines
lines
there.
A
I
mean
it
does
seem
like
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
commissioners
is,
while
the
the
general
idea
of
it
is
fine,
they
would
like
the
applicant
to
at
least
consider
some
design
modifications,
and
I
don't
know
from
a
timing
perspective
that
could
be
done
administratively
with
review
by
maybe
just
a
couple
commissioners
that
are
interested
in
it.
I
don't
know
how
people
feel
about
that,
so
the
applicant
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
again
for
another
hearing.
G
A
Would
the
alpha
can
be
willing
to?
I
mean
again,
you
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
and
do
another
hearing,
but
you
could
submit
some
design
modifications
and
then
a
couple
of
the
commissioners
could,
you
know,
could
look
at
it
and
advise
whether
that
was
more
satisfactory.
D
K
The
only
thing
that
I
would
ask
just
so
that
we
have-
and
I
think
it's
pretty
clear,
but
just
for
the
record-
that
we
have
kind
of
marching
orders
in
terms
of
what
what
everyone
agrees
is
the
the
what
needs
to
be
looked
at.
A
H
But
not
a
but
just
to
be
clear,
not
a
reduction
in
or
significant
reduction
in
any
case
in
the
amount
of
glazing
right,
that's
not
an
issue.
It's
not
an
issue
for
me.
Okay,.
C
A
Not
a
perfect
guidance
and
what
it
did
here
from
at
least
three
commissioners
was
a
better
relationship
to
the
rest
of
the
house,
which
is
not
a
it's,
not
precise
guidance,
and
I
think
you
know
it's
up
to
you
to
present
a
design.
You
feel
good
about.
A
Oh
boy,
I
mean,
I
guess.
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
there'd,
be
an
opportunity
for
stewart's
comments
to
be
forwarded.
If
we
do
this.
G
I
D
A
Why
don't
we
there's
still
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
get
stuart's
input
if
we
proceed
this
way,
so
why
don't
we
try
to
do
that?
It's
frustrating.
G
A
It
will
be,
it
would
be
for
approval,
but
subject
to
administrative
approval,
with
consultation
with
commissioners
as
to
the
the
glazing
on
the
rear.
Okay,.
I
I
The
applicable
standards
are
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration:
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
four
seven
through
eight
and
10
15,
and
this
would
be
pending
a
an
administrative
review
and
called
consultation
with
several
of
the
commissioners
regarding
the
east,
the
new
east
gables
fenestration,
and
perhaps
that
sighting
in
or
the
the
the
panels
around
the
glazing
and
the
upper
part
of
that
gable.
A
A
Okay,
mr
morris,
all
right
a
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
reinhold.
B
I
D
A
Stuart
wants
to
vote.
No
okay,
sir,
wants
to
vote
no
and
I'm
an
I
and
then
stuart.
It's
not
gonna
be
too
late
to
get
your
comments
in,
however,
you'd
like
to
communicate
them
so
that
it's
not
too
late
for
issues
to
be
addressed
so,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
All
right,
so
that
really
conclude.
That
concludes
our
hearings
for
the
night.
I
guess
I
I'd
ask
that
every
one
bit-
administrative,
I'm
sorry,
everyone,
but
commissioners,
please
sign
off
we're.
Just
gonna
go
through
minutes
and
other
administrative
matters.
I'm
sorry
that
I'm
wrong!
I
know
there
are
some
people
interested
in
the
design
guidelines
who
are
welcome
to
stay
on.
F
Okay,
yeah,
the
only
the
only
one.
A
Okay,
all
right
would.
A
A
Thank
you
call
vote
for
everyone
who
is
there,
commissioner,
reinhold.
B
L
G
F
Okay
and
for
design
guidelines,
all
like
carlos
speak
to
that
is
your
audio
working
carlos.
D
We
jump
into
the
design
guidelines.
I
I
I
don't
know
how
anybody
else
feels,
but
I
think
stewart
is
so
critical
to
this
conversation
that
I
don't
know
if
we
should
defer
this
to
another
time
when
he
can
fully
participate.
F
I
I
think
the
update
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
carlos,
but
this
is
going
to
because
stewart
is
on
the
subcommittee
for
the
design
guidelines.
Okay,
so
I
think
this
is
somewhat
re-um
visiting
kind
of
what's
already
been
discussed
by
that
subcommittee
and
just
letting
you
know
of
their
progress.
Okay,.
J
Thanks
for
the
clarification
so
yeah,
we
we
send
the
this
similar
email
to
the
group
of
the
two
commissioners,
in
this
case
genocide
and
stewart.
I
mean
former
commissioners
julie,
hacker
and
eliot
tutnik
and
jack
weiss
to
prepare
the
2019
design
guidelines
and
at
that
meeting
their
concern
was
that
was
raised
at
the
first
initial
meeting
with
stuart
and
jamie
that
stuart
had
asked.
J
You
know,
let's
go,
let's
compare
what
you
plan
to
do
with
the
2019
and
at
that
point
I
searched
for
the
document
online
and
I
realized
that
it
was
not
on
the
page
so
that
we
decided
to
wait
until
we
had
the
opportunity
to
figure
out
what
happened
to
it.
J
I
talked
to
kate
and
there
was
a
realignment
of
the
website
or
redoing
other
website
at
some
point,
while
I
was
away
where
that
particular
page
with
the
design
guidelines
was
no
longer
on
the
same
location,
so
the
question
was
whether
or
not
those
guidelines
were
were
similar
as
anything
that
can
be
done
not
to
replicate
but
to
work
from
there.
So
we
decided
to
wait
and
and
have
a
meeting
with
the
actual
authors
of
me
or
in
2019,
which
we
did
on
november
19th
at
this.
J
At
that
point
we
realized
that
some
of
the
content
that
was
there
was
not
necessarily
lost.
It
was
distributed
in
the
web
page
in
different
locations
with
different
links
and
in
fact
the
the
document
is
under
the
section
that
deals
directly
with
the
preservation
commission
under
additional
resources
and
has
the
title
procedural
and
design
guidelines.
J
So
what
we
discussed
is
you
know
how
we're
going
to
integrate
if
possible,
that
document
with
the
new
preservation
design
guidelines.
So
we
decided
that
we
will
wait
and
have
the
opportunity
to
review
both
and
then
the
information
that
is
available
online
is
sort
of
not
the
same,
but
it's
still
there
in
different
format.
J
J
It's
not
also
the
intent,
so
we
will
actually
design
the
develop
the
guidelines,
so
that
would
be
more
local
because
in
the
2019
document
it
is
mostly
a
procedural
guideline
and
then
they
list
several
links
to
the
national
park
service
and
other
resources,
but
they
don't
necessarily
discuss
you
know
what
the
standards
will
review
for
alteration,
construction,
relocation
demolition
could
be
done
because
if
you
look
at
the
standards
are
not
necessarily
things
that
are
the
things
that
I
do,
but
not
necessarily
how
you
do,
how.
J
The
next
thing
I'd
like
to
speak
is
about
the.
If
you
look
at
the
the
guidelines
that
were
developed
in
2019,
like
I
said
earlier,
there
are
more
procedural
than
actual
information
on
how
to
consider,
for
instance,
an
alteration
the
the
standard
says.
You
know
whenever
possible,
for
instance,
repair
rather
than
replace
when
replacement
is
necessary
to
present
in
kind,
but
they
don't
go
into
you
know
what
happens
if
you
have
a
window
that
is
all
wood
or
steel
window.
J
You
know
what
you
should
do
and
that's
what
the
design
guidance
will
help
people
to
understand
that
you
should
just
consider
restoration
but
before
replacement,
and
if
you
have
to
look
busy,
you
have
to
represent
kind,
something
that
we
encounter
every
single
meeting.
It
appears
that
there's
always
somebody
who
wants
to
replace
windows.
J
Then
jamie
also
had
our
initial
meeting
some
comments
about
the
the
original
or
the
initial
outline
where
she
suggested
to
remove
a
whole
section
that
has
to
do
with
maintenance.
She
felt
that
that
would
be
very
lengthy
and
that
was
not
part
necessarily
very
helpful
to
have
it
and
the
design
diagrams
themselves.
J
So
you
receive
that
document
with
with
the
red
letters
and
a
font.
That
means
that
is
either
deleted
and
the
one
that
is
underlined
is
the
the
new
text
so
that
you
will
see
the
differences,
so
you
receive
a
a
marked
copy
and
a
clean
copy
of
the
same
outline,
and
the
last
document
that
I
included
was
the
actual
text
that
was
online
in
2019
as
of
november
of
that
year.
J
When
the
commissioners
back
then
completed
their
work
and
myself,
I
was
able
to
put
it
online,
so
the
next
steps,
or
I
we
intend
actually
to
re-post
this
whole
document
as
a
one
link
that
will
have
all
the
texts
included
all
the
links
that
are
part
of
it,
while
we're
working
with
the
new
preservation
design
guidelines.
J
So
that
would
be
the
next
step
and
then
further
that
we
will
continue
doing
the
writing
and
the
idea
is
that
stuart
and
jamie
will
give
us
feedback
and
comments
as
we
develop
the
guidelines
and
I
believe,
julie
hacker
is
also
interested
in
collaborating
with
us,
so
that
she
would
be
more
than
welcome
to
to
do
the
same,
and
then
we
will
report
back
to
the
commission
as
we
develop
the
guidelines
for
your
own
comments
as
well.
G
G
Just
one
thing
that
you
didn't
mention
that
we
were,
we
were
as
concerned
about
the
content
of
that
material,
as
we
were
about
its
presentation
on
the
website
and
what
we
found
disturbing
was,
as
you
found
that
you
didn't
find
it
number
one,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
what
was
there
was
easily
understood
and
easily
followed
by
anyone
going
to
the
website.
G
So
a
lot
of
our
work
toward
the
end
of
our
writing
and
composing
and
organizing
was
about
how
to
get
it
presented
on
the
website
that
made
it
very
clear
to
anyone
going
there
could
could
follow
and
understand
and
and
locate
things
that
they
were
interested
in,
and
so
I
think
that
continues
to
right
now.
I
think
that
it's
one
thing
to
get
all
the
material
together
and
make
sure
it's
all
correct,
but
it's
also
very
important
that
it
be
easily
accessible
on
the
website.
J
We
will
do
our
best
to
make
it
not
happen,
because
it's
going
to
be
just
one
one
link
that
will
open
the
whole
document,
so
it's
not
something
that
they
need
to
look
for
it.
We
just
need
to
determine
whether
it's
going
to
be
under
historic
preservation,
the
the
page
that
deals
with
that
or
under
the
preservation
commission
itself.
J
There
are
two
pages
that
are
available
online
and
one
has
to
do
with
the
primary
function
is
to
have
the
agendas,
the
minutes,
the
video
and
there
are
other
links
associated
with
that
in
regard
to
additional
resources.
J
That's
where
currently,
is
what
we
call
the
procedural
and
design
guidance,
which
happened
to
be
the
2019
guidelines,
with
some
of
the
links
that
are
available
directly
through
that
link.
There
are
other
links
within
them.
G
J
G
F
Great
thanks,
carlos
the
only
other
item
is
approval
of
meeting
dates
for
2022..
F
The
only
change
you'll
see
here,
two
changes
regular
scheduled
on
the
second
tuesday
of
the
month.
I
didn't
see
any
conflicts,
there's
a
conflict
in
december
similar
to
the
conflict
we
had
this
year
and
then
we're
proposing
a
recess
in
august,
so
no
median,
which
is
what
the
commission
used
to
do.
F
You
should
yeah.
We
should
make
a
motion
just
to
approve
the
meeting
dates
as
presented.
If
nobody
has
any
issue
with
it
and
then
I
can
update
these
dates
on
the
website
and
the
corresponding
submission
deadlines.
F
H
Okay,
I
would
like
to
move
to
accept
the
or
to
approve
the
2022
meeting
dates.
Preservation,
commission
meeting
dates,
as
presented
in
the
memorandum
dated
december
7
2021
in
tonight's
agenda.
A
I
guess
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
reinhold
aye
mr
morris
aye,
mr
bowden
aye,
mr
treller
aye,
mr
jacobs
hi,
so
thank
you.
F
And
I
just
have
a
few
items
of
discussion.
One
will
be
that
we'll
elect
new
officers
in
january.
F
So
if
you
would
like
to
nominate
someone
or
nominate
yourself
just
send
me
an
email
separately
and
then,
if
you
are
nominated,
then
I'll
follow
up
with
with
that
person
and
ask
if
you
accept
so
you
have
to
accept
the
nomination
to
have
a
move
forward,
but
we'll
do
that
in
january,
a
few
more
items
just
as
a
kind
of
a
four-year
information,
the
city
disbanded,
its
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
plan
commission,
and
now
we
have
a
joint
body
called
the
land
use
commission.
F
So
we
took
the
plan.
Commission
took
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
merged
it
into
the
land.
Use
commission
that
that's
going
to
start,
I
believe
in
january
of
2022
and
then
the
only
other
item
is
that
the
the
city
received
funding
from
the
city
council
for
500
000
towards
a
new
comprehensive
plan,
we'll
be
moving.
That
process
forward
in
the
next
year
likely
the
next
two
years.
F
But
there
will
be
a
substantial
component
on
preservation
and
in
the
commission,
will
be
involved.
There'll
be
meetings
with
the
consultant
group
and
the
commission
to
get
their
feedback
on
on
that
respective
chapter,
but
it's
really
a
pretty
significant
opportunity
for
for
you
to
be
involved
with.
This
is
a
document
that
probably
has
anywhere
from
a
15
to
year,
planning
outlook
so
it'll
really
impact
preservation
decisions
long
into
the
future
and
just
general
planning
and
land
use
decisions.
F
There
so
we
haven't
sent
the
rfp
yet
or
really
formalized
that
yet,
but
we
do
have
the
funding
in
place,
which
is
which
is
really
excellent
and
then
we'll
send
the
rfp.
I
don't
know
if
we'll
send
it
to
some
consultants
individually
as
well.
We'll
probably
do
that,
but
then,
based
on
the
feedbacks,
I'm
sure
there'll
be
many
rounds
of
interviews
and
and
so
forth.
F
Will
be
a
public
process
and
it'll
be
a
city
council,
that'll
that'll
determine
that
who
wins
the
contract
award
for
it
and
then.
F
F
I
think
you'd
be
more
than
welcome
to
provide
some
input
on
you
know
and
review
the
proposals
and
look
at
it.
I
can
like
when
we
get
to
that
point.
You'll
receive
the
proposals
I
could.
I
could
send
them
to
you
most
likely.
F
The
comprehensive
plan-
sometimes
it's
called
the
general
plan.
I
think
some
states
call
it
the
master
plan,
but
it's
it's
really
just
the
the
guiding
policy
document.
It's
the
principal
policy
document
for
all
kind
of
land
use
decisions
level,
and
it's
really,
I
believe,
the
only
state
mandated
planned
document
that
a
municipality
has
to
have
and.
F
J
Yeah,
you
can
look
at
the
website.
Also
carl
klein
just
sent
me
a
link
about
it.
It's
under
compressing
plan
under
government.
You
can
see
it
I'll,
send
you
the
link
or
you
can
see
the
link
in
the
chat
as
well.
That's
the
2000
compressing
plan,
there's
a
whole
section
dedicated
to
historic
preservation
as
well.
At
the
time,
the
commission
submitted
the
recommendations
to
the
body
that
was
in
charge
of
the
plan
at
the
time.
J
F
And
some
of
this
feeds
back
into
why
I
wanted
to
kind
of
and
why
we
created
that
subcommittee
on
just
looking
at
kind
of
long-term
planning
for
preservation,
is
to
try
to
get
ahead
of
that
at
the
time.
I
couldn't
really
mention
it,
because
the
funding
hadn't
been
allocated,
but
now
that
it
has.
I
just
I
think
it's
nice
that
we're
thinking
about
some
of
these
issues
and
we
can
try
to
get
ahead
of
it
and
really
make
an
impact
on
the
planning
document.
J
I
think
part
of
the
information
that
would
be
clear
is
is
you
know,
sustainability
is
becoming
more
more
significant
planning
issue,
and
I
think
that
we
have
some
strives
doing
that
with
the
commission.
The
solar
panel
guidelines
and
there
might
be
other
materials
that
we're
considering
as
more
sustainable,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
lot
of
information
about
sustainability
and
that
will
impact
preservation
as
well.
F
And
that
is
that's
all
I
have
I
promise
so,
unless
someone
has
any
any
other
items
to
discuss,
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.
A
Okay,
someone
wanted
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.