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A
Okay,
good
evening
it
is
seven
o'clock
on
January
10th
2023
I'd,
like
to
call
to
order
the
Evanston
preservation
commission
meeting
we
have
a
quorum
with
seven
Commissioners
present
I
am
going
to
jump
right
into
Old
business
with
the
first
case
of
2211,
Sherman,
Avenue
and
Kate.
Do
you
want
to
do
you
want
me
to
just
give
me
any
background,
or
do
you
want
me
to.
B
Switch
it
into
the
record
all
right:
2211,
Sherman
Avenue
in
the
Northeast
historic
district
case
number
22,
pres0220,
fosterdale,
Architects
applicant
requests,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
homes
east
north
and
south
elevations
fenestration,
remove
an
existing
rear,
covered
entryway
and
construct
an
overhead
canopy
above
a
new
wood
deck
at
the
home's
rear
volume.
The
applicant
has
requested
that
this
case
be
withdrawn,
pending
resubmission
at
a
date
uncertain,
and
we
don't
need
to
take
any
action.
A
Okay
with
that,
why
don't
we
move
straight
into
new
business
for
the
evening
first
case?
Is
1705
Lincoln
Street
in
the
landmark?
Do
you
want
to
read
it
into
record
Kade
and
then
we'll
ask
Gary
to
step
up
to
the
podium.
B
1705
Lincoln
Street,
it's
an
individual
Landmark
property
case
number,
22,
pre-s0238,
Shoemaker
design
and
build
Associates
applicant
and
architect
request
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
a
single
story,
Edition
and
construct
a
new
single
story
Edition
at
the
homes,
rear,
North
volume,
as
well
as
alter
the
homes,
fenestration
and
applicable
standards,
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration:
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
five
and
seven
through
fifteen
Gary.
Whenever
you're
ready.
C
There
we
go
good
evening.
My
name
is
Gary
Shoemaker
I'm,
with
Shoemaker
Design
Associates
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
my
clients,
who
own
the
property
at
1705,
Lincoln
Street,
we
have
been
we've
been
engaged
to
remodel
a
portion
of
the
interior
of
this
house
and
to
create
an
addition
off
of
the
back
of
the
house
which
we're
showing
in
the
rendering
here
we've
taken
several
cues
from
this
house.
Some
of
you
may
remember
this
house.
It
was
before
the
commission
many
years
ago
when
it
was
under
a
pretty
substantial
remodeling.
C
We've
maintained
a
lot
of
the
work
that
the
preservation
commission
worked
with
the
previous
owner
to
achieve
on
this
house.
We
have
continued
replicating
the
Outriggers
and
the
details
on
the
soffit
work,
which
are
part
of
the
original
fabric
of
the
house.
We've
maintained
a
number
of
the
wide
eaves
that
overhangs
and
trim
conditions
throughout
this
house
recreated
a
lot
of
the
brick
the
brick
base
and
Limestone
coursework.
C
That
was
also
re-established
as
part
of
the
prior
remodelings
on
this
house,
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide
for
me,
please
we
have
enlarged
we've,
we're
replacing
the
addition
on
the
back
of
the
house,
but
we've
taken
cues
from
the
existing
house
and
the
check
rails
to
establish
datum
that
run
around
the
house
in
order
for
us
to
create
a
mud,
room
and
entrance
on
the
back
of
the
house
which
enters
it
grade
and
then
Rises
up,
as
you
can
see
several
feet
to
the
main
floor
on
the
inside
of
the
house,
so
we've
taken
the
cues
from
the
additions
that
were
some
original
and
some
some
acquired
over
the
course
of
history
in
this
house
to
continue
these
Eaves
and
these
soffits
around
the
house
go
to
the
next
slide.
C
For
me,
this
is
it.
This
is
the
existing
Eve
condition
and
roof
condition
that
I
spoke
of
the
base
sits
on
top
of
it.
The
existing
Edition
in
the
in
the
dining
room
in
the
house
extends
out
beyond
that.
So
we've
continued
that
cornice
and
that
Eve
line
around
with
a
low
slope
roof
to
connect
that
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
For
me,
this
is
the
addition
we're
moving
from
the
back
of
the
house.
It's
an
unheated,
uninsulated,
lean-to
structure
of
sorts,
that's
been
kind
of
weatherized.
C
It
leads
into
an
open
basement,
stair
that
was
enclosed
as
part
of
this
addition,
so
this
this
piece
on
the
back
of
the
house
was
certainly
not
original
to
the
house.
Our
addition
is
probably
twice
as
deep
continuing
the
eve
line
from
that
corner
here
around
creating
a
nice
large
glass
opening
connections
to
the
inside
and
a
view
of
what,
if
you've
been
by
the
site,
is
a
glorious
side,
yard
and
view
of
the
corner
of
that
property.
So
this
this
is
the
existing
condition.
I'm
we've
we've
shown
these
to
indicate
if
you've
seen
it.
C
The
number
of
of
trim
details,
scallop
details,
shingle
details
that
exist
on
this
house,
we've
replicated
and
we're
going
to
continue
a
number
of
those
most
of
those
details,
if
not
all
were
replicated
during
the
previous
restoration
of
this
house.
So
we
feel
confident
we
can
replicate
those
again.
So
if
you
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
again,
there's
here
is
the
small
entrance
Edition
off
the
back
that
encloses
that
existing
stair?
This
is
our
proposed
addition
on
the
back.
C
This
is
the
existing
roof
line
of
the
house.
This
is
part
of
an
addition,
we're
keeping.
This
is
a
re-entrant
corner
that
we've
adapted
and
continued
on
the
back
of
the
house.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide
for
me,
so
we've
extended
this
out
and
continued
this
section
of
the
roof
line
so
that
we
don't
affect
many
of
these
elevations
in
the
proportions
of
the
existing
structure.
C
Again,
that's
the
existing
Edition
coming
down.
This
is
the
this.
Is
the
cornice
and
the
roof
line
that
we're
trying
to
maintain
and
extend
through
here,
and
you
can
see
the
datum
and
the
alignments
that
we've
continued
from
the
existing
house
in
the
fenestration
we've
added
to
the
sunroom
and
the
addition
on
the
back.
C
This
elevation
is
the
back
side.
These
this
section
is
existing.
We've
extended
roughly
that
section
of
the
house.
This
isn't
visible
from
the
public
way,
it's
tucked
behind
fences
between
the
side
yards
and
in
a
pretty
tight
condition.
So
as
as
a
reference,
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
distance
we're
extending
at
we're
removing
skylights
from
that
side
of
the
house,
but
again
none
of
that's
visible
from
the
public
way.
C
Examples
of
the
cornice
details,
the
trim,
details
and
the
gutter
work.
That's
on
the
house,
along
with
the
shingles
that
we're
replicating
and
continuing
throughout
the
house.
This
is
an
example
of
the
brickwork
and
the
corn
and
the
the
concrete,
the
Limestone
Sills
on
the
house
that
we're
also
continuing
to
replicate.
This
is
trim
work
that
was
replaced
on
the
house
during
the
previous
renovation.
C
We
are
keeping
this
where
it
where
it
makes
sense
and
where
we're
not
affecting
it.
On
the
back
of
the
house,
we're
going
back
to
the
more
traditional
corner
boards
that
exist
on
the
on
the
remaining
portions
of
the
house.
C
The
windows
we're
proposing
in
this
in
this
Edition
are
going
to
be
Marvin
ultimate
casement
windows,
which
are
also
Landmark
series
Windows
there
will
be
Cloud
windows
and
I.
Think
yeah
and
Kate
had
asked
us.
That's
that's
the
alley
view
of
the
house,
so
you
can
see
the
portion
of
that
existing
Edition
here.
So
our
additional
will
extend
that
piece
with
the
glass
transoms
above
so,
okay,
I
think
that's
the
last
slide.
Is
it
not
I
think
it
is
yeah.
D
I
I
have
a
question
hi.
Could
you
speak
to
the
door
that
you're
going
to
alter
or
replace
you're
going
to
change
the
side
door
on
that
on
the
left?
There.
C
To
a
French
door
we
are,
this
is
a
non-original
door
to
the
house.
It's
an
entry
door
with
two
side,
light
panels
that
are
quite
narrow,
we're
gonna.
We
are
going
to
change
that
out
for
a
more
typically
fenestrated
French
door
that
opens
into
what
will
be
the
kitchen
in
the
house,
so
we're
seeking
to
gain
more
light
and
access
to
that
they
use
the
side
door
and
this
side
porch,
which
was
also
in
addition
to
the
house
as
access
for
their
dogs
into
the
side
yard.
So.
A
E
1705
Lincoln
Street,
it's
a
landmark
22
Perez,
zero,
two
three:
eight
to
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
a
single
story
addition
and
construct
a
new
single
story,
Edition
at
the
homes,
rear
volume
and
minimally
alter
the
home's
fenestration
applicable.
Standards
for
demolition
are
one
through
five
alteration:
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
five
and
seven
through
fifteen.
F
A
B
1713
Asbury
Avenue
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
case
number
23,
pre-s-0001,
Chad,
lefkowitz
applicant
requests,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
replace
selected
wood
windows,
double
hung,
casement
and
fixed
from
the
side.
North.
The
South
and
rear
East
facades
replacement
windows
are
Renewal
by
Anderson
Fabrics
Windows,
which
closely
match
size
style
and
configuration
of
the
windows
to
be
replaced,
applicable
standards,
alteration
1
through
10.
G
Thank
you
so
much
I'm
Chad
lefkowitz
with
renew
by
Anderson
I'm
here
to
represent
Mr
Dennis
Barber,
who
resides
at
1713
Asbury
Avenue,
it's
my
first
time
ever
presenting
so
I.
Do
apologize
in
advance.
I
am
not
an
architect,
so
my
drawings
are
probably
not
going
to
be
as
detailed
as
the
previous
ones,
but
we're
here
to
replace
a
number
of
windows
with
the
Renewal
by
Anderson
fibrex
product.
G
It's
been
approved
numerous
times
within
the
evidence
in
historical
district
I
do
realize
everything
is
done
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
so
I
did
bring
samples
if
you
haven't
seen
any
of
our
product
before
so
I
tried
to
draw
up
some
different
floor
plans
of
the
home.
The
windows
that
we
are
replacing
the
majority
are
in
the
rear
of
the
home,
so
they
are
not
visible
from
the
right-of-way
of
the
street.
So
you
can
see
here.
G
G
If
I
keep
going
and
then
we
have
our
third
floor
elevation,
these
are
not
the
original
portions
of
the
home.
These
were
all
additions
through
the
years
that
just
have
some
single
panel
wood
windows
that
are
all
basically
being
locked
using
fisheye
hooks.
G
So,
unfortunately,
the
residents
have
been
sitting
in
many
of
these
rooms,
with
space
heaters
that
are
going
non-stop,
driving
up
their
utility
costs,
as
well
as
forced
to
wear
winter
clothes
and
since
covid,
a
number
of
the
homeowners
actually
work
24
hours
a
day
in
in
many
of
these
rooms,
so
they're
really
looking
to
make
a
number
of
improvements.
So
these
are
the
various
windows
that
we
are
replacing.
We
go
down
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
the
front
view
of
the
home,
which
is
located
on
the
west
side.
G
G
So
this
is
just
a
closer
up
view
of
that
same
south
side
of
the
home
kind
of
the
the
Eastern
View,
where
you
can
see
the
second
level,
where
we
have
the
type
C
with
the
casement
windows,
with
the
the
grills
up
towards
the
the
top
portion,
we're
going
to
be
mirroring
those
for
the
type
D's
which
are
up
at
the
top,
which
are
also
single
case,
mid
windows
with
the
same
identical
matching
Grille
patterns
on
there,
as
well
Type
e
up
towards
the
top
right
on
the
third
level.
G
G
G
Next,
we
have
a
number
of
the
different
sketches
that
try
to
compare
the
current
type,
a
Windows
versus
the
same
type,
a
window
that
we're
going
to
replace
all
of
the
windows
are
going
to
be
done
as
insert
or
pocket
installations.
We
are
not
doing
a
full
tear
out
of
the
frames,
so
there
will
be
a
minimal
amount
of
glass
shrinkage
and
it
is
actually
shown
in
the
diagrams
what
the
difference
is
in
the
muttons.
G
And
next
up
are
pictures
of
what
the
current
window
looks
like
with
a
mock-up
drawing
of
what
the
replacement
window.
So
this
is
just
an
example
of
our
double
hung
window,
where
we
have
a
full
divided
like
grills,
so
they
are
going
to
protrude
on
the
exterior,
as
well
as
for
two
protrude
on
the
interior,
with
stainless
steel
spacers
in
between,
so
it
does
give
it
that
classical
look.
G
G
Our
window
type
B
is
the
window,
so
we're
in
the
back
of
the
home,
and
basically
they
are
also
the
double
hung
windows.
But
the
Grille
pattern
is
going
to
match
what's
currently
there,
so
that
we
have
that
on
the
bottom
as
well.
All
of
the
grilles
have
the
same
thickness
as
the
original
Grille.
The
difference
is
in
a
little
bit
of
the
shrinkage
on
the
glass,
so
you
can
see
there's
a
closer
picture
of
window
type
B
that
we're
going
to
be
replacing
three
of
those
windows.
G
Moving
right
along
our
window
type
c,
this
is
where
we
have
the
casement
windows,
where
we're
going
to
have
the
muttons
up
towards
the
top
portion
only
they're,
also
known
as
short
fractional.
Those
will
be
custom
designed
by
our
Factory
to
make
sure
that
we're
adhering
to
the
same
sight,
lines
that
are
currently
in
place
today.
G
So
this
is
located
in
our
sitting
room
and
the
sitting
room
is
where
a
lot
of
the
time
is
spent,
and
you
can
see
from
one
of
the
closer
viewed
pictures.
The
windows
are
not
even
able
to
close
shut
so
they're
beyond
restoration.
At
this
point,
there
is
no
way
to
keep
any
of
the
air
out
from
coming
into
any
of
those
rooms.
G
G
G
Next
we
have
our
window
type
D,
which
is
a
single
casement
window
with
a
three
by
three
Grill
pattern.
These
are
located
once
again
in
this
in
the
sitting
room,
so
we're
going
to
match
these
identical.
These
are
the
type
that
currently
use
the
fisheye
hooks
to
try
to
keep
them
closed
and
I
do
have
a
sample
casement
window
over
here
as
well.
So
you
can
see
exactly
how
that
would
look.
G
Continuing
on
the
only
change
that
we're
actually
making
to
the
style
of
any
of
the
windows
is
the
windows
that
are
facing
in
the
rear
of
the
home.
They
are
on
the
third
floor
office.
So
it's
on
the
next
slide.
Today
there
are
actually
double
casement
windows
in
the
same
identical
room
where
we
have
single
casement
windows.
So
we
were
trying
to
have
consistency
throughout
in
that
same
room
by
matching
the
three
by
three
single
casement
pattern.
G
So
that's
what
the
new
window
would
look
like
and
you'd
be
able
to
see
here.
That's
what
the
current
window
looks
like
and
we
would
be
able
to
match
it.
So
it's
designed
identical
to
the
other
three
windows
that
are
located
in
that
same
room.
So
this
does
face
to
the
due
Eastern
Eastern
portion
of
the
home,
with
no
visibility
to
the
front.
G
On
the
third
level,
there
is
a
bedroom
that
must
have
been
an
addition
where
they
just
put
some
casement
windows
in
there.
There
are
no
mountains
in
any
of
those
windows,
we're
just
following
it,
identical
with
single
casement
windows,
so
you
can
see
here
with
the
current
Dimensions
what
they
look
like
and
what
we
would
be
replacing
them
with.
G
So
they
are
completely
uneven
and
there
is
air
that
just
continues
to
gape
in
in
all
of
those
locations.
Ironically,
there's
one
window
in
that
bedroom.
For
some
reason
they
put
a
double
casement
window
in
there,
so
we
were
actually
going
to
follow
suit
and
mirror
it
with
a
double
casement
window
identically
to
where
that
is
located.
So
we
have
one
window
type
f,
that's
in
that
same
room.
G
A
Okay,
thank
you
questions.
A
A
It's
one
of
those
new
materials
that
just
kind
of
Is
straddling
that
historic
line
right
now
of
whether
it's
accepted
by
the
secretary
standards
or
whether
it's
not
and
where
it's
acceptable
to
use.
So
I
guess
a
couple
of
my
questions
are
I
I'm,
not
I,
don't
struggle
with
the
basement
and
the
garage
windows,
of
course,
because
they're
they're,
you
know
and
I
know,
we've
approved,
basement
windows
with
fiberxb4
on
homes
and
to
be
honest,
the
third
floor
Dormer,
where
there's
an
addition.
A
That's
a
non-regional
Edition
where
you
had
the
casement
windows
again,
those
are
fairly
straightforward
windows.
What
is
the
the
other
areas?
Are
those
original
when,
like
those
original
parts
of
the
home
from
1881.
A
H
So
portion
you
saw
there
the
windows
that
face
out
to
the
YWCA
and
the
side
windows
there.
As
you
pointed
out
they're,
not
original
about
20
years
ago,
someone
added
a
kitchen
and
took
on
the
top
and
extended
that
out.
So
none
of
that
is
the
rest
of
it.
The
main
part
of
the
house
that
he
was
showing
you
there
can.
I
A
H
A
Okay
and
for
those
windows,
are
there
I
assume,
there's
profile,
brick
molds,
and
how
do
you
propose
to
handle
that
with
the
new
Anderson
window.
A
A
The
stucco
area,
okay
and
you'll
match
the
profiles
is
the
intention.
Okay
and
then
I
assume
it's
I
I
believe
that
you've
talked
with
Carlos
and
Kade.
The
front
windows,
of
course,
would
be
something
that
may
have
to
get
addressed
separately
since
they're
the
front
primary
facade.
If
you
were
going
to
use,
for
instance,
the
fiberx
windows
may
not
be
appropriate
on
the
front
facade
I
assume
as
an
owner
you're
aware
of
that
potential
that
you
might
have
different
types
of
windows.
A
So
I
think
that's
something
that
the
commission
should
take
into
account
that
if
we
approve
the
fiberx
windows
for
the
secondary
facades
for
the
rear,
how
does
that
then
affect
the
primary
facade?
If,
if
in
any
for
any
reason
in
the
future,
you
come
back?
A
A
It's
not
that
they
won't
I,
just
don't
know
and
I
know
that
we've
in
the
Commission
in
the
past
has
not
approved
fiberx
windows
on
any
case,
for
a
primary
facade
that
isn't
a
project.
That's,
for
instance,
in
1950s
1960s,
that
it's
very
simple,
I
believe
the
last
fiberx
windows
we
were
approved
were
steel,
original
windows
that
had
very
simple
profiles,
and
it
was
on
a
secondary
facade
other
than
new
construction.
I
do
not
know
of
any
project
that
we've
approved
fibrex
for
a
primary
facade.
Okay,
Susie.
D
A
Was
it's
not
necessarily
it's
a
little
bit
of
the
matching
of
the
profiles,
but
if
that
can
be
achieved,
I
think
that
was
overlooked.
I
think
it
was
more
of
the
matching
of
the
material
and
I'm
not
saying
that.
That's
not
necessarily
changing
with
the
secretary's
standards.
I
mean
the
last
one
we
came
in
front
of
us
was
probably
a
year
ago,
yeah.
E
Since
you've
brought
samples,
Susie
I
wonder
if
we'll
have
a
chance
to
actually
examine
them,
I've
never
specified
or
yeah.
E
A
five
bucks
window
and
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
but
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that,
originally,
when
simulated,
divided
lights
with
spacer
bars
came
out,
they
weren't
being
accepted
because
they
were
basically
an
airsoft's
version
of
the
original
divided
light
windows.
I
think
there
was
the
same
problem
with
cladding,
which
is
now
almost
universally
done.
E
People
don't
want
to
maintain
houses
and
the
way
in
which
they
used
to
so
I'd
like
to
look
at
those
windows,
but
I
have
another
comment
which
you
partially
addressed.
I
was
sort
of
curious
about
how
many
of
the
windows
you're
replacing
are
original
to
the
house
and
how
many
of
them
are
from
a
later
date,
and
my
first
impression
of
looking
at
the
house
is
that
the
windows
of
the
result
of
somebody
having
thrown
a
window
catalog
at
this
poor
building.
E
It
is
such
it's
such
a
hodgepodge
and
I'm
wondering
about
the
decision,
for
instance,
not
to
try
and
go
back
and
say
you
know:
we've
got
casements,
which
are
divided
lights
and
we've
got
casements
which
are
not
divided
lights.
When
we
replace
the
non-divided
light
casements.
Should
we
in
sympathy
with
the
house
put
mountains
in
them?
We've
got
double
hung,
windows
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
the
double
hung
windows
were
original
to
the
house
or
not.
E
You
know,
I
generally,
a
house
will
be
all
double
hung,
windows
or
all
casement
windows
and
I'm
wondering
you
know
whether
in
that
case
somebody
said
would
have
looked
at
the
situation
and
said
well,
gee.
You
know
we
can
replace
this
with
a
casement
because
we
feel,
like
the
predominant
theme
of
the
house
is
case-
is
divided
like
casement
windows,
so
you
know
I
wonder
about
the
decision
to
just
replace.
H
I
G
The
paint
is
actually
baked
into
the
Fabrics
on
the
exterior,
so
there's
absolutely
no
maintenance
to
our
product.
It
was
engineered
and
designed
over
35
years
ago,
so
it
is
40
wood,
fibers,
combined
together
with
60
proprietary
polymers.
So
the
idea
behind
it
is
it's
a
completely
maintenance
free
product
that
is
not
going
to
buckle.
Under
Pressure
like
a
vinyl
window.
Would
it's
going
to
have
the
strength
and
look
of
a
wood
product,
but
it's
not
going
to
rot
over
time
and
it
is
the
only
product
that
Renewal
by
Anderson
has
so
it's
not
like.
G
So
the
question
was
asked:
if
the
sample
that
I
have,
if
that
wood
is
veneered,
that
is
just
a
sample
where
we
do
have
a
wood
veneer
on
an
interior
product,
the
Barber's
home.
Everything
is
white
on
the
inside,
so
everything
is
going
to
be
pre-painted
in
white
on
the
composite
product.
So
everything
is
designed
to
match.
G
So
it
is
a
composite,
so
if
you're
looking
from
the
side,
you
could
take
wood
fiber
combined
with
polymers
and
then
the
paint
is
baked
right
in
and
in
this
scenario
we
actually
apply
a
wood
veneer
for
interiors
of
homes
for
those
homeowners
that
want
to
maintain
that
True
Wood,
look
that
can
then
be
staining
to
match
any
interior
color.
So
it's
not
like
a
shelf
paper
sticker
that
some
window
companies
use
when
they're
trying
to
show
a
wood,
interior
and
review.
G
E
E
It
a
relationship
to
the
the.
E
If
you
look
at
historic,
Windows,
okay,
when
sdls
were
first
introduced,
they
went
to
a
7
8
inch,
mutton
and
then
they
would
actually
have
a
profile
that
looked
like
putty
glazing
and
then
also
that
looked
like
the
beating
on
the
inside
of
the
window.
I
wonder
why
you
didn't
decide
to
match
the
dimension
on
your.
E
G
F
J
Yeah
so
Susie
I
guess
for
historic
houses
and
I'm,
not
as
familiar
with
Windows,
but
wood
is
pretty
much
preferred
just
as
a
replacement
always
but
from
a
homeowner's
perspective.
I'm
thinking,
they're,
probably
way
more
expensive.
Actually
I
probably
know
this.
Since
we're
doing
some
windows,
we're
restoring
our
windows
but
they're,
more
expensive
and
then
there's
more
maintenance.
Is
that
just
from
a
homeowner's
perspective,
I
was
just
wondering
why
go
with
Fabrics?
That's
the
selling
point
right.
That's.
G
G
There's
cost
there's
maintenance:
Anderson
is
120
year
old
company.
We
are
highly
reputable.
We
actually
do
control
the
whole
entire
process
for
a
homeowner.
So
not
only
do
we
manufacture
all
of
the
windows
in
Bayport
Minnesota.
We
use
our
own
installers
to
install
everything
for
the
homeowner,
so
it
is
a
simple
One-Stop
shop
for
a
high
quality
product.
J
A
Of
materials
that
were
used
is
I
think
the
past
thoughts.
My
my
concern
is
the
material
the
the
material
doesn't
mimic.
The
wood
and
I
am
concerned
about
the
idea
that
if
fibrex
windows
are
allowed
on
Vintage
or
vintage
homes
and
if
they're
not
safe,
restricted
to
secondary
facades
or
areas
that
are
not
visible,
how
does
that
then
not
allow
them
to
be
used
everywhere,
since
they
are
more
cost
effective?
And
then
what
is
going
to
prompt
someone
to
even
choose
to
restore
Windows
or
use
wood
windows?
A
So
I
realize
that
this
home
is
in
a
landmark
home.
So
it's
it's
less
stringent,
I
think
that
it
just
has
been
a
precedent
that
has
been
very
hard
for
the
commission
to
reconcile
in
the
past
and
I
do
agree
with
Stewart's
sentiment
that
you
know
Technologies
become
more,
you
know,
Common
and
that
people
are
used
to
them
and-
and
we
have
to
adapt
to
that-
and
they
are
very
energy
efficient.
So
that
is
a
wonderful
aspect.
A
J
And
then
I
just
wanted
to
Echo,
also
something
Stuart
you
had
said
earlier
about,
since
you
are
redoing
Windows
like
I,
feel
like
it
is
an
opportunity
to
make
them
consistent
rather
than
like
I.
Don't
think
the
intention
of
this
company
is
just
to
duplicate
what
you
have
if
what
you
have
is
maybe
didn't
make
sense
in
the
first
place,
because
it
was
just
a
replacement,
so
I,
I
kind
of
I
do
agree
that
you
have
an
opportunity
here
to
make
the
whole
house
more
cohesive
and
that
I
would
encourage
you
to
like
sees
that.
J
G
And
that
we
did
try
to
do
that
in
the
one
room
we
just
kept.
We
were
getting
a
lot
of
resistance
over
time
trying
to
build
the
aspects
of
this
project
and
we're
told
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you're,
maintaining
The,
Identical
architectural
Integrity
that
the
current
home
has
so
that's
more
of
a
situation
for
The
Barbers.
You
know
if,
on
that,
one
room
that
just
didn't
have
any
muttons
in
it.
We
can
always
add
them.
I
So
I
do
have
a
question
of
what
is
it
I
think
it's
this
the
third
floor,
where
there's
one
side
has
the
square
with
the
square,
casement
windows
and
the
other
that
have
the
the
two
case:
Windows
side
by
side,
yeah.
G
E
On
historic
buildings
is
really
kind
of
dilemma.
E
E
The
issue
of
the
efficiency
on
the
windows,
even
with
a
restored
window,
these
went
any
manufacturer
today,
window
new
window
is
more,
is
Tighter
and
emits
less
air
than
even
a
restored
old
window
and
by
the
way
the
heat
loss
infiltration
is
worse
than
the
heat
loss
on
a
single
glazed
window.
Of
course,
you've
got
historic,
Windows
restored,
but
then
generally
they
will
either
have
a
historic
storm
window
which,
by
the
way
was
only
for
I.
E
Think
was
only
encasement,
Windows
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
by
the
time
you
take
a
landmark
building,
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
restore
the
bill,
the
the
windows
and
then
put
triple
track
storm
windows
in
the
outside.
You
don't
see
the
beauty
or
the
scale
of
the
mutton
subdivisions
in
the
window
at
all,
so
you
know
for
me,
it's
it's
kind
of
a
dilemma
in
terms
of
how
one
should
approach
the
restoration
of
historic
buildings
in
terms
of
windows.
K
So
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
proportions
of
some
of
the
panes
of
glass,
because
I
think
that's
leading
to
some
of
the
disharmony
that
we're
seeing
in
the
existing
home
as
well
as
maybe
where
we're
going
to
end
up
so
the
photo
that
we
have
up
right
now.
Actually,
the
the
windows
that
are
on
the
lower
level
that
you're
not
replacing
do
we
know
what
the
story
is
when
those
were
put
in,
because
they
have
a
horizontal
orientation
that
I'm
not
seeing
in
any
of
the
other
existing
windows.
K
And
do
are
those
do
we
know
if
those
are
true
divided
light?
Are
they
insulated?
Does
that
it
almost
looks
like
a
snap
and
Grill
actually
from.
K
Those
are
the
original
okay,
everything.
Okay,
then
I
I
would
like
to
go
kind
of
on
a
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
starting
with
Type,
A
and
I.
Think
some
of
your
the
proportions
on
the
drawings
might
be
a
little
bit
off,
but
we'll
go
with
the
dimensions
and
are
those
to
the
middle
of
the
muttons
or
is
that
to
the
edge
of
the
glass
like,
for
example,
they
that.
K
Mountains:
okay,
it's
glass,
okay,
thank
you,
and
so
when
we
go
from
a
existing
to
a
new,
we
ended
up
with
a
slightly
horizontal
proportion
on
that
glass
and,
if
you're,
replacing
in
kind.
How
did
that
happen?
It's.
H
K
Okay
and
since
you
have
you're
shrinking
it
more
in
the
horizontal
Direction
I
mean
in
the
the
horizontal
bars
are
taking
up
more
space
than
the
than
the
vertical
ones,
correct:
okay,
that
one's
pretty
close
to
square.
So,
let's
look
at
the
rest
of
them.
K
K
A
There
any
other
questions,
okay,
why
don't
you
take
a
seat
and
then
we'll
ask
for
any
public
comment
if
anyone
would
like
to
make
and
Cade
okay,
okay,
if
Commissioners
want
to
discuss,
is
there
any
discussion
or
have
all
your
questions
been
answered.
A
If
not,
then
I
think
I've
been
pretty
clear
about
my
concern
with
the
precedent
but
I.
It
sounds
like
most
Commissioners
find
this
to
be
acceptable,
which,
which
is
no
issue,
I,
think
that
again
time
is
on
the
side
of
these
new
technologies
that
people
start
to
get
used
to
them.
So
if
someone,
if
there
are
no
discussion
items,
if
someone
wants
to
make
a
motion,
then
we
can
do
that.
D
B
I
I
mean
I
think
it's
helpful
that
we
had
some
deliberation
about
that
here
and
it
seems
like
there's
some
comfortability
with
that.
It's
certainly
something
that
I
would
reach
back
out,
at
least
to
the
officers
of
the
commission
and
ask
about
those
changes
or
similar
some
cases
where
you
created,
like
a
small
subcommittee
of
Commissioners,
to
review.
I
D
Was
everyone
comfortable
with
that
notion
so.
E
I
E
Divided
light
for
versus
lighter
windows
that
were
replaced
with
single
panes,
so
you
know
basically
we're
empowered
to
Grant
certificates
of
appropriateness,
which
has
to
do
with
the
appearance
primarily
of
the
window.
E
So
if
we're
all
convinced
that
the
composite
material
on
this
window
is
acceptable
in
a
historic
house,
not
a
landmark
but
a
historic
house,
then
the
question
would
be
you
know,
could
could
what
we
were
looking
at
be
improved
by
perhaps
dividing
some
of
the
windows,
perhaps
replacing
some
of
the
later
double
hung
windows
with
a
single
casement
windows
that
were
divided.
So
it's
really
kind
of
a
aesthetic
Judgment
of
the
thing.
D
Yeah,
that's
how
I
understood
your
comment
too?
It's
it
they,
it
sounds
like
they
were.
They
believed
that
they
had
to
do
it
this
way.
But
if
we're
saying
to
them,
if
we're
suggesting
to
them
that
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
replicate
every
single
window,
if
they
wanted
to
add
a
little
bit
extra
to
some
of
the
ones
that
do
not
have
them
have
the
muttons
that
they
could
do
that,
but
that
would
have
to
be
reviewed
on
minor
as
minor
work.
Is
that
what
you're
saying?
Okay,
yeah.
E
I
I
have
a
question:
I'm
sorry,
I've
forgotten
your
name.
I
know
you
didn't
introduce
yourself
as
a
design
professional,
but
I
know
that
Anderson
is
the
largest
window
manufacturer
in
this
country
and
I'm
wondering
if,
as
part
of
the
service
that
you
have
there's
somebody
that
could
take
a
look
at
some
on
staff.
That
could
take
a
look
at
some
of
these
issues.
G
D
I
mean
if,
if
they're
happy
with
that,
then
and
that's
what
they
brought
here,
I
think
we
just
vote
on
that.
But
I
wondered
from
a
procedural
matter
if
they
were
inspired
to
do
something
else,
how
how
they
would
do
that
after
we
vote
for
what
they've
proposed
so
I
think
you've
answered
my
question.
Okay,.
K
Well,
can
we
can
we
Empower
staff
to
do
that
as
a
as
a
independent
review
that
doesn't
have
to
come
before
the
board,
so
to
sort
of
paraphrase
where
I
think
we're
headed?
Is
that
we're
consider
we're
thinking
we're
going
to
offer
a
excuse?
E
L
A
M
I
was
curious
if
you
offered
a
putty
glaze
profile
on
the
exterior
of
those
and
what
is
the?
What
is
the
glazing
on
the
on
the
existing
Windows
now?
Is
it
puttyglaze
or
is
an
ovalo,
it's
putty
glazed,
so
you
can't
you're
not
be
able
to
replicate
the
putty
glazing.
Basically,
okay,
that's
what
I
was
curious
about.
E
Make
a
motion-
I
should
probably
add
one
more
thing,
I
think
by
suggesting,
rather
than
demanding,
but
suggesting
that
some
of
the
windows
that
currently
aren't
divided
light
be
done
as
divided
light.
We're
also
asking
the
homeowner
to
incur
not
a
lot
but
slightly
more
expense,
so
everybody
should
be
aware
of
that
yeah.
Is
that
correct,
yeah,
okay,.
I
D
Was
go
ahead,
I
would
I
just
was
I
was
under
the
impression
we
were
just
letting
them
know
that
they
could
do
that,
that
they're
to
to
correct
the
the
Mis
impression
that
they
had
to
replicate
everything
that
was
there.
That
is
a
that
is
a
very
common
thing
that
people
think
about
preservation
that
we're
insisting
that
it's
has
to
be.
What
it
currently
is
correct.
D
B
Yes,
I
would
say
you're
letting
them
know
it's
an
option.
It
might
even
be
something
that
you
recommend,
but
you're
I
mean
that
you
should
React
to
what
they're
proposing
and,
what's
before
you
so
I
think
that's
what
the
motion
should
be
and
then,
if
they
decide
to
take
some
of
that
additional
testimony
and
move
forward
with
something
different,
I
think
that
we've
also
provided
enough
testimony.
That
would
allow
staff
to
to
work
with
them
and-
and
you
know,
make
those
judgments.
I
I
just
had
a
quick
I
mean,
since
this
is
one
of
the
like
I
guess,
one
of
the
largest
scale
approvals
of
this
new
material
I
mean.
Are
we
essentially
like
saying
moving
forward
if
the
homeowner
came
back
that
we
would
approve
this
material
window
on
the
front
facade
as
well
or
would
we
have
that
conversation
at
a
later
date?
I.
B
Would
say
you
just
have
that
a
later
date,
that's
not
what's
before
you
right
now,
so
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
worry
about
it,
but
I
think
it's
also
what
Susie
said
in
providing
that
testimony
that
you
don't
want
to
necessarily
create
a
precedent.
Certainly
the
primary
front
facade
has
you
know
more
of
an
impact
on
how
it
relates
with
the
rest
of
the
resources
on
that
block,
and
you
might
want
to
treat
them
more
sensitively
and
I.
B
I
A
K
And
may
I
had
a
recommendation
at
the
end
of
it
sure:
okay,
okay,
so
regarding
1713
Asbury,
Avenue,
Ridge
historic
district
case
23
Prez
Dash,
zero,
zero,
zero
one
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
replace
selected
wood
windows,
double
hung,
casement
and
fixed
from
the
side
North,
the
South
and
the
rear.
East
facades.
A
In
favor
aye,
any
opposed
and
I
would
like
to
cite
standard
six
for
my
opposition.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
The
motion
passed
six
to
one
and
let's
move
on
Kate.
If
you
could
read
the
next
case
in
the
record,
please.
A
M
Hi,
my
name
is
Paul
janicki
with
Paul
janicky
Architects,
and
this
is
1720.
What's
your
mom
on
1720
Wesley,
so
this
is
a
Queen
Anne
ish
structure
built
in
1894.
M
Maybe
if
you
could
scroll
a
little
bit
thanks
Kate,
maybe
maybe
go
back
and
just
go
back
to
the
original
photograph.
Thanks
yeah
one
more
oh
yeah,
you
can
see
there
was
an
addition
that
was
put
on
the
South
Side.
That
was
like
a
garage
underneath
and
then
a
like
a
family
room
on
top
with
a
flat
roof
that
was
built
in
like
the
60s
I
believe
there
was
another
Edition
on
the
back
of
the
house.
If
you
want
to
go
a
little
more.
M
Thank
you
so
much
on
the
left
side
there
that
is
was
built
in
like
2002,
not
by
the
current
owner,
but
there
you
have
it.
If
you
keep
going
a
little
more
Cade
is
so
so
we
have
this
Edition
already
on
the
south
side
and
we're
sort
of
mimicking
the
footprint
of
this
Edition.
Maybe
one
more
slide
thanks.
M
It's
either
it's
shaded
on
the
bottom.
The
porch
is
to
the
west
of
it
and
what
we're
doing
is
where
you
want
to
add.
Basically,
it's
sort
of
this
very
similar
footprint
to
the
south
side
of
the
house.
That
would
be
a
two-story
addition
and
would
Encompass
a
mud
room
on
the
first
floor
and
a
family
room,
a
staircase
that
would
go
down
to
the
basement,
underneath
the
addition
for
storage
and-
and
if
you
want
to
scroll
through
the
plans,
I
can
maybe
walk
you
through
them.
Real
fast.
J
M
The
existing
yeah,
the
proposed
family
rooms
to
the
southeast
there,
and
then
you
can
see
the
stand.
New
staircase
there's
a
new
entrance
on
the
south
side
that
has
a
canopy
that
is
accessible
from
both
Wesley
and
from
the
alley.
The
porch
is
the
same
footprint
it's
actually
been
truncated
and
by
because
the
mud,
room
and
stairs
have
taken
some
of
that
territory
and
then,
instead
of
an
inboard
stair,
we
put
the
stair
on
the
outside
of
the
house.
M
So
we
can
more
control
the
Aesthetics
of
that
and
also
get
more
footprint
for
the
screen.
Porch.
Okay,
next
slide
thanks.
This
is
the
existing
second
floor.
You
can
see,
there's
some
like
three
bedrooms
and
a
little
study
and
they
have
a
big
family
and
they're
trying
to
get
more
bedrooms,
and
so
the
addition
has
two
bedrooms
on
the
inside
of
the
house
where
there
was
a
bedroom
leading
into
those
two
new
bedrooms,
We've
created
a
new
bathroom,
that's
actually
sort
of
big
enough
for
kids
to
use
the
other
one
that
exists.
F
M
Like
pretty
tight
and
almost
not
usable,
we
also
were
able
to
create
a
laundry
room
that
was
enclosed
and
make
some
different
closet
spaces
for
some
of
the
other
bedrooms
that
made
more
sense,
you
can
keep
going
okay.
Thank
you
room
Plan,
before
we
plan
after
pretty
simple,
except
now
as
a
two-story,
Edition
and
not
flat
roofs,
and
if
you
keep
going
Kade,
oh
boy,
those
are
dark
yeah!
Well
anyway,
oh
thanks
perfecto.
M
So
the
existing
Edition
on
the
left,
of
course,
is
going
away.
That's
the
garage
door
and
it's
aluminum
windows,
aluminum,
siding
and,
and
the
two-story
Edition.
As
you
see
now
to
the
South,
all
the
materials
will
be
matched
all
the
trim.
Shapes
will
be
matched
the
brick
base
will
be
matched
with
brick
recycled
brick.
M
The
roof
will
basically
remain
an
asphalt,
shingle
roof.
We're
not
looking
to
do
anything
different
with
that
material.
All
the
windows
are
wood,
simulate
divide,
light
Marvin's
for
paint
you
can
keep
going.
Okay.
Thank
you.
The
South
elevation
you'll
see
that
the
new
South
elevation
basically
mimics.
What
is
there
already
which
is
sort
of
extruding
it?
M
If
you
will,
the
window
opening
placements
are
slightly
different,
but
more
or
less
the
same,
because
there
is
no
one
story,
first
story,
Windows
anymore,
so
we
just
sort
of
Imagine
where
they
should
be,
and
that's
for
the
family
room
and
for
the
the
new
entry
that
you
can
see
there
with
the
canopy
has
brackets
that
match
the
front
porch
brackets,
it's
wood
door,
glass
lights.
You
can
see
the
truncated
porch
to
the
left
of
it
and
the
new
stair,
that's
beyond
it.
All.
M
The
materials
again
will
match
the
existing
collaborate
and
mitered
corners
and
wood
windows
and
wood
shakes
down
the
west
elevation.
You
can
see
before
the
Edition.
After
the
addition,
you
can
also
see
sort
of
through
the
porch
we've
shown
a
new
door
that
comes
off
of
the
inside
of
the
porch
and
some
windows
that
add
light
into
that
new
stairwell.
The
windows
that
you
see
above
the
pair
of
double
hungs
are
into
the
West
New
West
bedroom.
The
addition
you
see
on
the
west
does
not
change.
M
And
here
are
just
some
kind
of
real
rudimentary
from
massing
diagrams.
Just
because
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
how
the
addition
folds
back
away
from
the
main
principal
facade
and
if
you
keep
going
K
and
you'll,
see
on
the
back,
how
the
Porsche
more
or
less
stays
the
same
but
like
I,
said,
gets
truncated.
And
then
the
stair
occurs
on
the
outside
leading
West
and
there's
like
a
little
Photoshop
thing
of
what
it
might
look
like.
I
I
M
Yeah,
the
Gable
and
yeah.
Basically,
what
you're
seeing
on
the
left
elevation
is.
What
is
there
now
and
as
we
extrude
the
new
addition
away
from
itself,
we
are
more
or
less
recreating
all
the
trim
and
the
dentals
and
the
placement
of
the
windows
and
the
Clara
Story
I
mean
the
Attic
Window
yeah.
All
that
all
that
trim.
If
that's,
what
you're
asking
all
identical,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we'll
take
it
off
and
reuse
it,
but
if
they
can
do
it
sure.
L
Hi,
do
you
have
any
information
and
I
guess?
My
question
is
about
the
new
dimensions
of
the
of
the
house.
Now
you
know
originally,
it
would
have
been
more
height
than
width
and
now
we're
having
more
width
than
height.
F
L
M
M
House
is
pretty
narrow
compared
to
the
other
victorians
on
the
street.
They
typically
have
a
three
Bay
or
a
tripartite
sort
of
arrangement,
and-
and
this
is
the
one
house
seems
that
doesn't-
but
there's
not-
that
there
are
farmhorses
farmhouses,
that
we
call
them
the
kind
of
beer
between
Queen,
Anne
and
Farmhouse
that
weird
Netherworld.
But
that
would
be
more
narrow,
like
this
you're
right.
F
J
I
was
just
gonna,
make
a
comment:
I
live
right
near
here,
and
I
walk,
I,
walk
past
this
house
many
times,
but
I
really
like
what
you've
done.
I
think
it's
much
more
sympathetic
to
the
house
than
what's
there
today,
I.
J
I
I
mean
obviously
it's
a
change,
but
that
to
your
point,
that
block
has
a
lot
of
interesting
homes.
Some
of
them
are
big,
some
are
small,
but
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
think
it
will
have
an
adverse
impact
on,
like
the
block
per
se,
I
think
it's
a
I
think
you
did
a
nice
job
with
the
Edition
overall.
Thank
you
so
much.
E
E
Addition
to
the
house
and
I
would
make
a
motion
to
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1720
Wesley
Avenue
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
22
Prez
0239,
which
would
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
a
single
story,
Edition
and
attached
garage
and
construct
a
new
two-story
Edition
at
the
Home
South
volume
applicable
standards,
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration,
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
fifteen.
B
D
I
would
thank
you
first
of
all.
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
the
non-contributing
designation.
I
understand
why
it
is
here
non
why
it
is
under
dispute.
However,
my
question
is
whether
we
have
purview
over
a
building
that
is
designated
as
non-contributing.
F
B
Yes,
so
technically
our
standards
for
review
don't
distinguish
between
contributing
and
non-contributing.
The
way
that
you
could
make
and
draw
those
determinations
are
some
of
the
language
and
the
standards
that
talk
about
distinguished
architectural
features,
the
character,
defining
features
where
you
could.
You
could
say
that
those
don't
apply
for
a
non-contributing
structure
if
it
did
not
contain
any
of
those,
for
example,
but
just
on
Face
Value,
the
ordinance
just
not
draw
a
distinction
between
those.
D
All
right,
so
that
was
thank
you,
so
that
was
my
first
question
for
alteration
number
to
read
my
own
writing
two.
J
D
D
D
Actually
the
block
is
full
of
pretty
of
houses
that
are
quite
more
wide
than
they
are
I
like
tall.
However,
this
is
an
unusual
structure,
so
it
makes
it
distinctive
and
so
I
am
wondering
how
we
feel
about
the
fact
that
we
are
actually
going
to
undermine
that
part
of
what
makes
it
distinctive.
D
The
other
one
under
alteration
number
three,
that
that
property
structure,
cites
and
objects
shall
be
recognized
as
products
of
their
own
time.
So
we
just
were
talking
a
few
minutes
ago
right
about
not
necessarily
sort
of
requiring
that
everything
be
absolutely
matched,
and
so
the
the.
D
The
issue
that
I'm
having
with
this
is
that
it's
too
seamless
there
is
a
kind
of
when
you,
when
you
look
at
it.
The
roof
line
continues
across.
Everything
is
perfectly
matched.
If,
if
you
didn't
know,
you
would
think
it
was
built
this
way,
and
there
is
a
kind
of
suggestion
that
that
of
of
a
kind
of
faux
or
fake
genealogy
here.
So
if
there
was
some
way,
I
would
like
to
see
some
changes
in
some.
D
E
Yeah
so
I'd
love
to
comment
on
that,
because
I
think
it's
a
philosophical
discussion
and
it's
a
point
of
view
that
has
changed
over
time.
The
original
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
which
were
adopted
in
1976
were
for
historic
buildings,
Landmark
buildings,
and
they
suggested
that
there
should
be
clear
distinction
between
the
addition
and
the
existing
structure.
E
They
also
humorously
in
retrospect
suggested
that
the
addition
should
be
built
in
a
way
that
it
could
be
removed,
so
the
building
could
be
restored,
never
going
to
happen,
given
construction
prices,
but
I
think
the
idea
of
asking
that
the
addition
be
distinguishable
had
to
do
with
the
whole
idea
that
the
addition
would
somehow
be
subservient
to
and
would
allow
the
historic
building
to
remain
to
remain
dominant
in
in
the
pairing
and
and
I
think
that
that's
a
for
me
at
least
at
this
point
in
time.
E
It
is,
in
fact
forcing
the
thing
it's
added
on
to
to
become
kind
of
background
to
it
suggests
that
the
kitchen
Edition
or
the
bathroom
Edition
or
the
bedroom
Edition
is
somehow
actually
intrinsically
more
important
than
the
building
it's
being
added
on
to
so
the
the
question
of
whether
or
not
making
a
seamless
addition
is
a
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing.
I
think
is
open
to
discussion,
and
you
know
I've
said
my
piece
about
it.
E
Paul,
maybe
you
want
to
say
something:
maybe
the
other
Commissioners
have
opinions
about
how
that
number
three,
which
is
clearly
a
a
carryover
from
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
should
be
dealt
with.
M
Your
kind
of
taking
the
words
on
my
mouth
about
the
secretary's
standards
and
how
it
has
evolved
over
time.
I've
worked
on
houses
by
Howard,
Vander
and
Shaw
I'm
male
mayo,
and
there
were
instances
where
male
would
come
back
and
the
new
family
would
live
there
and
they
would
want
a
bigger
kitchen
or
they
want
some
different
quarters
for
something
and
they
would
they
would
not
do
a
mid-century
modern
thing.
Glomped
onto
this
wonderful
creation,
they
would
make
more
of
the
wonderful
creation
and
so
you're
right.
M
It's
a
philosophical
question
and
you
and
I
probably
fall
on
one
side
of
that
line
and
I
don't
deny
it,
but
that's
that's
just
kind
of
the
way
we
like
to
see
architecture.
So
that's
the
way.
I
guess
we
feel
when
we
come
to
like
an
important
building
like
a
Shaw
building.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
put
apology.
Edition
on
a
Shaw
building.
I
want
people
to
think.
Oh,
that
is
in
the
spirit
of
Shaw.
M
I
So
may
I
I
mean
if
I
am
going
to
weigh
in
I,
think
that
if
it
was
a
seamless
Edition
it
would.
The
addition
would
have
been
on
the
same
plane,
as
you
know,
as
the
as
the
main
house,
but
because
it's
set
back
I
do
think
of
that
as
more
of
a
kind
of
a
an
addition,
and
it's
not
trying
to
appear
as
as
the
whole.
D
D
That
so,
just
so
that
I,
so
that
it's
clear
what
I
was
talking
about,
the
I'm
I,
never
thought
that
it
was.
You
know
straight
across
the
front
of
the
building.
It
carries
the
same.
It
carries
the
the
it.
It
is
an
addition
on
one
side
that
is
almost
identical
to
the
addition
to
the
other
side.
Well,.
M
I
think
you
can
look
at
that
addition.
You
need
to
look
at
the
original
architecture.
The
original
roof
kind
of
comes
all
the
way
out
beyond
the
front
facade
on
columns
that
form
a
porch
and
then
it's
also
a
slooping
roof
which
is
kind
of
curving
and
kind
of
coming
out
in
the
Bell
shape,
and
then
there's
an
a
dormer
on
that.
That
is
also
con,
conforms
to
that
sort
of
swoopy
shape.
I
mean
it's
extraordinarily
me
to
me.
M
M
G
D
Me
I
didn't
say
anything
about
the
elevations
I
was
talking
about
the
roof
line
right,
and
so
what
I
was
saying
is
that
it
is
causing
the
front
of
the
building
the
the
whole
building
to
look
like
it
is
more
horizontal
than
it
is
vertical
I'm,
not
the
only
person
that
has
noted
that-
and
it
is
very
it
is
so
seamless
that
it's
that
it
makes
it
seem
as
though
that
it
has
always
been
that
way,
and
so
the
question
for
the
commission
is
whether
that's
all
right
with
everybody.
E
A
So,
like
Commissioners,
I
live
right
next
to
this
and
I've
walked
by
this
house,
maybe
hundreds
of
times
and
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
street
and
that
site
and
I
do
not
take
issue
with
the
proposed
solution.
I
think
that
that
specific,
how
this
specific
case
with
this
solution,
whereas
I,
do
understand
your
concerns,
I
think
my
knowledge
of
this
specific
house
just
from
walking
by
and
being
living
in
that
neighborhood.
Only
like
you
know,
a
few
houses
away.
A
A
I
do
think
I
would
find
it
to
meet
the
standards
I.
D
Should
say
that
I
was
I,
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
walking
around
in
front
of
this
house
today
and
I
thought
it
that
that,
if,
if
we're
okay
with
allowing
an
addition
to
a
home
that
is
so
seamless
that
you
can't
tell
the
difference
between
the
original
and
the
new
one,
then
then
it
will,
it
would
I
agree.
Actually
it
would
fit
in
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
its
proportions.
A
A
A
B
Yeah
I
did
receive
multiple,
maybe
four
or
five
pieces
of
public
comment:
I'm
pretty
late
in
the
day,
so
I'd
like
to
read
those
into
the
record,
as
those
members
aren't
here.
The
first
is
from
Maggie
Kong
hewan,
it's
1715,
Wesley
Avenue.
She
said
she's
reaching
out
to
share
her
support
for
the
proposed
project
at
1720
Wesley,
it's
located
across
the
street
from
her
residence.
B
I
have
another
from
Jenny
Colton,
1721
Wesley,
the
right
and
support
of
the
proposed
changes
to
1720
Wesley
Avenue.
The
current
addition
to
the
house
was
added
in
the
1980s
several
owners
ago
and
was
clearly
not
in
keeping
with
the
historical
design
of
the
rest
of
the
home.
Rather,
it
was
added
on
with
a
somewhat
haphazard
appearance
and
detracts
from
the
rest
of
the
exterior.
The
proposed
Edition
appears
to
honor
the
architectural
themes
of
the
home,
while
updating
its
functionality
for
more
modern
era
and
family.
B
B
And
the
next
is
from
Olivier
at
17
15
Wesley
as
well.
They
approve
of
the
Edition
and
the
project
at
1720
Wesley
in
the
last
public
comment
is
from
Craig
baxa,
which
I
believe
I
printed
out
for
you,
but
I'll.
Just
read
it
since
it's
in
front
of
me,
I
had
a
chance
to
review
the
plans
for
renovation,
1720,
Wesley,
Avenue,
I,
approve
of
the
plans
and
field.
This
would
be
a
nice
enhancement
to
the
neighborhood.
J
A
K
Sure
I
mean
just
quickly
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
verticality
and
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
as
a
practicing
architect.
It's
not
always
my
perspective
honoring.
What's
there
I'm
kind
of
looking
for
more
Harmony
in
the
in
the
end
product,
so
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
and
and
I
I
think
I
agree
with
probably
Lee
Stewart
and
some
of
the
other
Commissioners
that
it's
sort
of
a
case-by-case
philosophical
discussion
and,
in
this
particular
case,
I
feel
as
the
others
do
that
that
particular
element
of
this
house,
I'm.
K
I
Yeah
I'm
just
I
would
add
that
I
agree.
It's
a
case-by-case
thing,
I
think
because
most
of
the
because
of
the
change
in
proportions
is
still
in
context
with
the
surrounding
homes
I'm
comfortable
with
that.
But
if
it
was
different
on
a
different
street,
it
would
probably
be
different.
D
I
should
add
that
I
did
and
I
did
say
this
a
few
minutes
ago,
that
for
me
it
would
just
be
a
few
minor
changes
and
it
would
be
fine,
but
anyway,
I
I
do
think
that
this
house
is
special
and
different
on
the
Block,
and
this
Edition
I
think
I
think
what
they're
I
think
what
they're
removing
definitely
deserves
to
be
removed.
So
it's
not
a
problem.
The
adding
an
addition
is
not
the
issue.
The
issue
is
just
that.
J
I
just
was
curious,
I
know
we're
not
supposed
to
redesign
anything,
but
you
said
you
just
talked
about
minor
changes.
I
was
just
curious.
What
for
you
that
would
look.
D
Like
for
me,
the
main
thing
is
the
continuation
of
the
ridge
line
if
it
were
a
little
lower,
if
maybe
that
roof
had
a
slightly
different
pitch
or
even
had
was
coming
at
it
in
a
different
direction.
Something
like
that
that
made
it.
You
know
a
little
different.
D
You
know
the
the
windows
seem
fine,
the
little
Dormer
I
guess
is
okay.
They
probably
need
that
up
there,
but
the
fact
that
it
is
that
this
Edition
is
equal
to
the
other
side
of
the
house.
From
the
you
know,
from
the
from
the
perspective
of
the
verticality
versus
the
width,
the
the
there's
a
we
do
have
a
standard
actually
about
proportions.
D
I
I
I
think
on
what
is
this
page
a11?
It
shows
if
you
look
at
the
the
proposed
South
elevation
or
you
know,
look
at
the
elevation.
There
is
a
slight
change
in
the
the
ridge.
What
am
I
reading
that
correctly,
that
there
is
kind
of
a
height
difference
in
the
it's.
A
D
You
mean
if
to
take
some
some,
the
height.
D
Bridge
down
there
so
I
mean
maybe
a
little
bit
more
distinctive
than
that,
because,
when
you're
standing
on
the
sidewalk
looking
up
you
that
would
be
not
as
noticeable,
but
that
was
sort
of
the
idea
is
to
just
make
it
slightly
subservient
to
the
main
house.
Nothing
major,
not
taking
it
back
down
to
a
one-story
thing,
just
kind
of
acknowledging
that
the
house
has
this
kind
of
special
personality
on
the
Block,
but
I'm
only
one
person.
So
if
you
guys
love
it
and
are
ready
to.
E
A
Ask
applicants
to
match
slopes
on
rear
editions.
We've
actually
gone
the
links
to
saying
when
you
have
your
projecting
rear
Edition
into
your
rear
yard.
We
don't
like
it
when
they
change
the
slope
slightly,
and
then
we
say
why
isn't
that
matching
so
I
think
it's
a
weird
thing:
it's
it's
a
complicated
discussion
item
right
because
in
some
cases
you
want
that
to
be
compatible.
A
D
Yeah
I
I
specifically
tried
not
to
I
only
offered
some
thoughts
when
I
was
prompted
to
do
that.
I
I
tried
not
to
actually
say
that
so
because
I
don't
want
to
get
into
design
I'm.
Just
noting
that
it's
that
we're
going
to
let
them
do
something
to
this
property,
which
we
have
advocated
against
having
people
do
in
other
instances,
we.
A
E
So
so
I
mean
clearly
it's
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
following
your
line
of
argument,
would
you
have
approved
the
1980
Edition.
I
D
A
L
Think
I
think
misunderstanding
of
what
happened.
I.
Think
for
me,
the
construction
standard
11
is
where
I'm
still
I
still
have
issue
with,
because
it
does
talk
about
the
directional
expression
of
the
facade
and
if
you
keep
reading
to
the
end,
it's
whether
this
be
a
vertical
character,
horizontal
character
or
non-directional
character.
F
L
A
J
A
So
if
it's
acceptable
to
all
Commissioners
I
would
like
to
take
a
vote
and-
and
if
you
decide
to
oppose,
then
if
you
could
please
just
State
your
standards
for
opposition.
That
would
be
great.
So
in
that
case,
all
in
favor
and
all
opposed
aye.
So
commissioner
dryer
and
commissioner
beauden
and
then,
if
you
guys,
can
maybe
just
make
a
statement
for
the
record
what
standards.
D
Sure
so
this
is
commissioner
drawler
alteration
two
and
three
in
construction.
Two
and
11.
L
A
Thank
you
so
with
that
the
motion
passes
five
to
two
thank
you
Paul
and
with
that
Kate.
If
we
can,
maybe
if
we
could
read
the
next
case
into
record,
please.
B
B
In
the
Northeast
historic
district
case,
number
22
press
zero,
two
four
zero
Genie
petrick
applicant
architect,
requester
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
two
Dormer
editions
above
the
home's
full
Second
Story,
including
a
Gable
Dormer
at
the
front
East
volume
and
a
shed
Dormer
at
the
side.
North
volume,
as
well
as
alteration
to
the
structures,
West
rear
volume,
root,
form
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
four
seven,
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
D
N
Hi
I'm
Jeannie
petrick,
with
petric
architecture
I'm
here
representing
my
clients
at
1940,
Orrington
Avenue,
we're
looking
to
do
third
floor,
remodel
it's
an
existing
space
with
no
Heating
and
no
cooling,
no
windows,
just
some
skylights
they've
been
using
this
for
their
office
space
for
the
last
few
years
and
hang
out
area
for
their
kids.
And
so
we
want
to
right
now
also
there's
a
half
bath
up
there,
and
so
the
goal
was
really
to
get
Headroom
sunlight
and
a
full
bathroom.
N
So
it
could
almost
act
as
you
know:
extra
living
space,
whether
it's
a
bedroom
and
a
hangout
area
or
like
a
master
suite,
Etc
and
yeah.
But
the
challenge
is
that
we've
have
it's
a
hip
roof
with
a
fairly
slow
low
slope
and
to
get
this
to
work.
Some
of
what
we
propose
is
on
the
back.
N
It
suggests
so
that
we
wouldn't
lose
the
impact
of
the
front
elevation
that
we
were
going
to
extend
the
roof
line
towards
the
back,
so
it'd
be
more
of
a
Gable
on
the
back
side,
and
that
way
we
could
get
the
Headroom
on
the
inside
for
the
bedroom
area
and
then
to
get
a
Headroom.
We
also
added
on
the
North
side
a
shed
Dormer
on
the
back.
Oh
sorry
can
I
point
with
this,
or
how
does
that.
F
B
N
I
can't
see
it,
can
you
guys
see
it.
N
Yeah,
if
you
can
Kate,
if
you
don't
mind,
moving
around
yeah,
so
the
Dormer
on
the
North
side
or
the
North
yeah,
so
that's
on
the
North
elevation
and
it's
extending
to
the
rear,
not
to
the
front.
So
once
again,
we
are
trying
to
hold
on
to
the
existing
front
elevation,
maintaining
the
proportions
and
existing
conditions.
We
did
want
to
add
a
dormer
to
the
front
to
gain
some
natural
sunlight
into
that
front
space,
and
there
is
a
the
house
directly.
North
of
this
is
a
very
similar
house.
N
It
almost
looks
identical
to
tell
you
the
truth,
but
with
some
changes
as
they
evolved
through
the
Hundred
Years,
and
it
has
a
dorm
room
in
similar
proportion.
N
So
the
goal
really
was
to
be
able
to
see
out
the
back,
see
out
the
front
and
in
with
respect
to
the
existing
proportions,
all
the
existing
skylights.
We
would
be
replacing
them
they're,
just
very
old
and
need
updating.
N
We
will
be
I,
don't
know
it's
very
hard
to
see
from
pedestrian
views.
I
don't
even
know
if
you
notice
it,
but
there's
a
I,
don't
even
know
what
the
appropriate
term
is
for
it.
But
it's
a
skylight
like
a
sky.
Well,
that
is
existing
that
would
be
removed.
It's
kind
of
where
that
shed
Dormer
is
on
the
northwest
side
of
the
property.
So
this
perspective
is
kind
of
showing
you
as
you'd,
be
walking
down
the
street.
N
N
K
The
I
think
this
image
answers
my
question,
but
the
the
freeze
board
the
the
tall
band
of
trim
under
the
Eve
that
does
exist
around
the
backside,
correct
because
it
doesn't
pick
up
on
your
rear
elevation.
Your
2D
elevation.
N
N
Get
to
that,
you
know
what
and
then
also
here's
the
existing
photos.
Kate
I
sent
them
to
him
delayed.
You
have
them.
Are
they
on
the?
Because
you
can
see
this
detail
where
it
stops.
It
kind
of
stops
about
a
third
on
the
south.
F
K
K
So
that's
what
happened?
What
I
liked
about,
if
it
did
in
fact
run
around
the
four
sides,
was
that
it
really
made
the
little
hip
part
of
the
roof
important
before
you
got
to
the
low
slope
Gable.
Actually,
because
you
would
have
run
into
a
very
complicated
trim
scenario
if
you
had
a
straight
Gable
on
the
rear
and
that
freeze
board
was
running
across
there,
since
it
doesn't
I
still
like
that.
K
N
And,
and
with
that
also
in
mind,
was
that
you
know
the
existing
roof
structure
is
continuous
so
that
we're
not
you
know
it's
kind
of
clear.
What's
new
and
what's
old,
okay.
K
Thank
you
especially
there.
Just
one
other
question
is
so
it's
a
it's
a
hip
roof
now
and
we're
adding
a
Gable
with
a
little
modification
on
the
rear,
we're
adding
a
shed
Dormer
I,
don't
mind
those
on
a
house:
that's
not
a
landmark
itself.
K
The
front
Gable
we're
at
sorry,
Dormer
we're
adding
another
little
Gable,
I!
Guess
I'm
going
to
suggest
to
the
fellow
Commissioners,
but
I
I'm
I'm
curious.
Would
you
or
your
client
object
to
that
being
a
hip
form
and
not
a
Gable
on
the
front.
N
I
had
gone
back
and
forth
on
this
I
mean
I,
with
the
goal
being
about
Headroom
I,
prefer
it
to
be
a
Gable,
and
it
was
funny.
I
I
should
have
documented
the
ones
I've
driven
around,
because
I
kept
on
thinking
does
it
need
to
be
a
hip,
but
I
did
actually
see
a
lot
in
Evanston
with
a
hipped
and
the
combo
of
The
Gables.
K
Not
not
uncommon
for
sure,
and
you
need
the
the
sloped
Cathedral
part
of
that
to
get
better
Headroom
in.
E
I
had
a
question
about
the
front
Gable
as
well.
The
elevation
drawing
shows
a
triangular
window.
F
E
The
Gable
and
the
rendering
doesn't
seem
to
show
it.
N
It's
not
to
be
a
window.
Maybe
that's
not
clear
enough
in
my
drawings
I
always
envisioned,
it
would
just
be
the
three
windows
and
then
the
top
it
just
wouldn't
be
siding.
It
would
be
white.
E
So
the
rendering
is
correct.
The.
E
I
think
the
rendering
makes
a
convincing
argument
for
it,
both
as
a
Gable
and
also
you
know
it's
big,
but
it
seems
based
on
that
run
during
not
to
be
out
of
scale
with
with
the
house.
So
I
think
the
image
is
convincing.
N
And
both
adjacent
properties,
one
to
the
South
and
then
one
to
the
north,
both
have
similar
Dormers.
So
this
is
uniquely
the
one
house
that
doesn't
have
any
Dormers
so.
A
J
I
was
just
gonna,
say:
I'm
I'm,
not
I,
guess
I
was
looking
at
the
Standard
12
I
think
it
says.
Construction
I,
just
don't
I,
know
this.
The
Symmetry
for
me
with
the
the
shed
Dormer
on
the
side.
I
know
there's
something
there
existing
right.
Now,
it's
just
not
as
big
like
as
and
I.
Just
don't
I.
Just
don't
love
like
this
is
such
a
symmetrical
looking
house
and
then
I
that
throwing
that
on
one
side,
I
just
think
it
sort
of
fails.
The
standard
in
that
regard.
J
Mean
I
just
noted
Standard
12
of
the
construction,
which
is
original
qualities
for
auditions
to
existing
structures.
The
distinguishing
original
qualities
or
character
of
the
property
structure.
Object
in
its
environment
should
be
preserved
and
I
I
was
thinking
like
the
Symmetry.
That's
what
should
be
preserved
and
I.
It
just
throws
it
off
to
me.
Like
the
Gable
in
front.
That's
still
symmetrical
gives
them
Headroom,
I,
just
I,
don't
know
that
that
to
me
doesn't
meet
that
standard.
K
I
feel
like,
if
that
was
being
presented
on
the
front
elevation
or
even
the
rear.
That
would
be
a
probably
a
lot
more
objectionable,
at
least
for
me,
on
a
on
a
side,
elevation
not
uncommon,
to
see
that
kind
of
symmetry
break
down
and
have
maybe
a
shed
normally
I
just
off
to
one
side.
So
that's
that's.
How
I
read
it.
D
I'm
not
sure
how
much
you
can
see
of
it
from
the
street.
Maybe
if
you
were
across
the
street
you'd
be
able
to
see
it,
but
it's
up
so
high
and
towards
the
back
of
the
house.
J
From
the
side
you
can
see
it
right.
There
I
mean
as
you're
yeah.
D
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
this
disrupts
the
symmetry
of
the
house
nearly
as
much
as
the
previous
project
disrupted
the
asymmetry
of
that
house.
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
that,
I
had
I
had
a
question
about
for
my
fellow
Commissioners
about
the
windows
and
the
rhythm
of
solid
and
void,
and
how
The
Gables
the
Gable
here
and
the
front
rather
the
Dormer
in
the
front
and
the
Gable
in
the
back
are
kind
of
really
full
of
windows.
D
It
gets
from.
The
entire
area
has
is
all
fenestration
and
I
am
wondering
if
how
we
feel
about
that.
D
The
river
the
Gable
in
the
back
is
really
jammed
with
here
with
windows
that
has
it's
almost
a
almost
a
palladian
type
of
like
just
filling
in
as
much
as
possible,
with
Windows
and
I
can
appreciate
that
they
need
light
up
there,
but
there's
no
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
quite
visually
compatible
with
the
rest,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
exactly
the
same,
but
and
then
the
front
Dormer,
where
we
just
were
that
other
photo
yeah
is
just
content.
It's
almost
continuously
glazed
all
the
way
across
effectively.
D
And
void
I
guess:
I'm
referencing
our
standards
here.
That
would
be
construction
number
four.
I
I
N
Can
I
just
add
something
about
the
windows
Administration,
so
the
back?
There
are
the
palladian
style,
Windows
up
and
down
the
street
that
are
similar
in
style
and
that
is
kind
of
what
also
we're
trying
to
gain.
You
know
we
are
kind
of
we
were.
The
goal
was
to
get
as
much
sunlight
and
also
meet
the
egress
codes,
and
how
do
we
do
that
respectfully
to
the
neighborhood
and
stuff?
N
And
so
this
is
where
we
landed
with
the
back
and
then
those
aren't
shown,
but
they
are
double
hung
by
the
way
I
I
think
it's
just
the
rendering
doesn't
show
it
as
a
double
hung
and
then
in
the
front,
the
windows,
you
know
typically
like
a
small
Dormer.
N
You
know,
even
in
a
traditionally
that
the
a
dormer
would
maximize
it's
there
for
sunlight,
so
I'm
maximizing
the
amount
of
light
that
we
can
bring
in
and
a
lot
of
smaller
wind
Dormers.
You
would
see
that
a
window
would
almost
go
to
the
outside
edges
versus
and
it's
secondary
to
the
house,
so
I
didn't
consider
the
Dormers
necessarily
want
to
I,
have
the
same
mass
scene
and
open
and
lightness
as
as
the
main
house.
D
D
I
F
L
And
no
No
Nonsense
of
any
kind
of
encasements,
no.
N
Is
that
correct?
There
was
there's
none
in
the
house,
and
so
we
yeah
okay,
the
front,
though
definitely
our
casements,
so
yes,
they're,
all
I'm,
sorry
they're,
all
casements,
my
correction.
B
Genius
is
it
possible
that
the
rendering
is
a
little
deceiving
with
the
proportion
of
the
openings
on
the
rear
they
look.
They
look
much
smaller
in
the
elevation
to
me
than
they
do
in
the
rendering.
N
N
Because
there
might
I
feel
like
the
trim,
they
do.
I
don't
know
if
it's
just
the
perspective
like
that.
It's
disoriented,
because
you're
looking
up
from
the
I,
asked
them
to
do
a
rendering
from
eye
view
at
street
level,
because
you,
the
pitch,
even
looks
taller.
You
know
in
that
perspective
because
the
pitch
of
the
roof
is
a
712
and
that
rendering
looks
taller.
F
N
N
D
N
D
D
J
I,
don't
know
who
said
it,
but
maybe
it
was
you
John,
I
I,
think
the
Gable
I
don't
know
what
the
hip
roof
would
look
more
consistent
with
the
existing
style
of
the
house.
I,
don't
know
what
standard
that
is.
Maybe
standard
11
under
construction.
Someone
suggests
was
that
you
John
I
I
thought
that
could
look
better.
K
K
In
fact,
all
the
points
I
think
all
these.
The
points
that
are
being
made
are
are
valid
and
true
for
me,
but
I
find
that
none
of
them
rise
to
the
to
the
to
the
level
of
not
needing
a
standard.
For
me.
L
F
L
You
for
the
property
at
1940,
Orrington
Avenue
in
the
Northeast
historic
district
case,
22
Prez,
0240
I,
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
two
Dormer
editions
above
the
the
home's
full
Second
Story,
including
a
Gable
Dormer
at
the
front
East
volume
and
a
shed
Dormer
at
the
side.
North
volume,
as
well
as
alter
the
structures,
West
rear
volume,
roof
form.
The
applicable
standards
are
alteration
1
through
10
and
construction,
one
through
four
seven
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
L
A
Oh
Amanda,
can
you
maybe
just
State
what
standards
you
wanted
to
yeah.
B
Sure
yeah
I'd
be
happy
to.
We
had
three
members
who
were
all
nominated
by
multiple
Commissioners
and
we
don't
have
any
opposition,
so
I
think
it
would
be
fine
to
take
a
vote
on
the
Slate
of
electors,
but
commissioner
dreller
was
nominated
as
chair.
Commissioner
Cohen
was
nominated
to
continue
serving
as
Vice
chair
and
commissioner
Klein
was
nominated
as
secretary.
So
congratulations
to
all
three
of
you,
you
all
accepted
at
least
initially.
B
So
if
you
know
speak
now
or
forever
hold
your
peace,
but
congratulations
on
very
well
deserved,
certainly-
and
also
you
know,
I'd
like
to
thank
Susie
for
her
time
as
chair.
She
did
an
excellent
job
and
also
Beth
your
time
as
secretary
you
did
a
fantastic
job
as
well.
D
B
Yeah
I'll
take
I'll,
take
the
rest.
The
minutes
of
December
6th
I
did
receive
two
amendments,
one
from
chair,
Reinhold
and
one
from
commissioner
Klein.
Those
will
be
incorporated,
I
didn't
receive
any
any
other
comments.
Can.
B
J
I
was
mentioning
there's
a
part
about
the
safety
of
the
materials
on
deconstruction.
I
should
have
emailed
you,
I,
didn't
know.
We
could
do
that.
I.
Just
wanted
to
note
specifically
I
was
talking
about
lead
and
paint
leaded
paint.
I
just
want
to
spell
that
out
in
the
minutes.
Please
certainly.
A
So
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
with
the
noted
edits.
I
Make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
December
6
2022
meeting
with
the
with
the
edits
sent
to
Kade?
Is
there
a.
A
B
B
Yeah
good
catch,
okay,
the
next
few
are
just
discussion
items,
so
no
action
for
these
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
both
of
these,
and
if
we
have
discussion
on
them
tonight,
that's
that's
fantastic.
If
we
don't
I,
think
you
send
me
some
some
items
for
consideration
that
we
can
bring
to
the
following
meeting,
but
the
first
is
just
you
know
as
a
best
practice
annually
to
look
at
the
rules
and
procedures
and
also
on
the
rules
of
circumstance
that
the
commission
has
in
proposing
any
edits.
For
those.
B
There
are
a
handful
that
I
will
propose
not
a
not
a
ton
but
there's
a
few
instances
where
the
rules
conflict
with
the
ordinance
itself,
which
is
not
permitted,
and
it's
very
minor
things.
One
is,
for
example,
when
this
election
is
supposed
to
take
place,
the
rules
say
December,
but
the
ordinance
says
January
so
that
things
like
that
should
be
just
cleaned
up.
A
Had
a
question
too,
about
the
staff
review
you
used
to
give
us
your
list
of
what
you
reviewed
is.
That
is
that
something
is
that
a
is
that
a
horrible
test,
no.
B
It's
it's
not
it's
not
it's
a
really
easy
thing
to
do.
I
did
that,
primarily
because
we
were
reviewing
more
things
administratively
during
the
pandemic
and
we
weren't
meeting
as
as
frequently
so
I
just
wanted
everyone
to
be
aware
and
comfortable
with
what
staff
was
approving,
but
that's
a
great
best.
A
Friend,
I
think
that
was
very
helpful.
I,
don't
know
what
my
fellow
Commissioners,
but
it
was
just
something
to
glance
at
that
was
nice
to
know
what
was
happening
and
and
I
mean.
It
also
shows
how
much
you
and
Carlos
do
administratively,
which
is
which
is.
You
should
be
commented
for
your
your
work
with
that.
D
B
D
B
I
B
And
and
the
City
Works
with
a
software
that
kind
of
tracks
all
that
anyway,
and
it's
relatively
easy
to
export
that
data
now,
where
actually
when,
when
I
gave
you
that
information,
it
was
not
as
easy
as
it
is
now.
So
that
was
like
a
separate
Excel
sheet.
That
I
would
keep
an
export,
but
it's
much
easier
now.
A
I
mean
I
wouldn't
want
to
put
an
extensive
amount
of
work
on
your
plate
since
you're
already
doing
it,
but
if
it's
something
that's
easily
like
exported,
that
would
I
think
it's
helpful
and
then,
as
far
as
comments
for
the
rules
of
circumstance,
that
can
be
something
that
Commissioners
just
can
send
you
via
email.
If,
if
they
go
through
the
list,.
B
Yeah
I
think
it
makes
sense
just
to
kind
of
have
it
on
your
radar
now
and
you
can
look
at
it
in
detail
and
if
you
have
items
that
you
would
like
to
talk
about
at
the
next
meeting,
then
I
can
include
those
in
a
in
a
more
comprehensive
kind
of
memo
that
shows
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
were
brought
up
and
then
we
can
discuss
them
and
deliberate
them
and
then
take
action
on
amending
them.
If
that's
what
we
want
to
do
we're
adding
to
some
of
them.
B
It's
it's
a
relatively
comprehensive
list,
but
there
are
occasionally
times
where
types
of
work
and
projects
don't
fall
within
some
of
those
categories,
and
we
just
reach
out
and
ask
for
advice
when
that
happens.
But
if
there's
types
of
work
that
you've
seen
that
isn't
referenced
in
there
it'd
be
nice
to
add
that
and
I
don't
know
if
everyone
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it,
but
it's
not
a
definitive
necessarily
it's
a
there
are
ones,
let's
say
administrative
staff
reviews.
There
are
ones
that
say.
B
Yes,
it
absolutely
goes
to
the
commission,
but
there's
also
a
either
or
option
and
in
those
instances
it's
just
kind
of
left
up
to
our
discretion
and
then
always
if
something
is
listed
as
an
administrative
review,
there
is
probably
a
handful
of
times
each
year
where,
for
various
reasons,
we
are
not
comfortable
with
that.
So
we
will
defer
those
projects
back
to
the
commission,
so
it
doesn't
mean
that
if
we're
not
comfortable
with
something
we
won't
reach
out
and
and
make
you
the
determining
body,
because
we
always
have
that
option.
J
There's
just
one
thing:
I
wanted
to
mention:
I
I,
don't
know
if
it
really
falls
under
this,
but
would
love
to
talk
about
or
address
at
some
point
like
we
always
I
feel
like.
It
comes
up
a
lot
about
zoning
to
make
a
recommendation
to
Zoning
for
major
zoning
relief.
That's
come
up
a
couple
times
like.
Can
we
can't
we
should
we
shouldn't
we
and
I?
Don't
know
if
there's
some
confusion,
whether
that
power
is
even
enshrined
here,
but
yet
we
keep
getting
asked
to
weigh
in
on
a
recommendation.
F
B
Yeah,
we
can
certainly
look
at
that.
We
did
reach
out
and
get
some
advice.
You
are
not
obligated
to
provide.
So
that's
one
of
the
questions
is
whether
you're
obligated
to
or
not
you
have
the
power
to.
If
you
wish
to
the
standards
that
are
related
to
those
are
not
one
they're
not
even
enshrined
in
the
preservation
ordinance,
which
is
a
little
strange
they're
in
tried
in
the
zoning
ordinance
they're
a
little
difficult
to
interpret
I
think
to
really
understand
what
they're
asking
for
it.
B
It
essentially
I
think
is
saying
that
the
commission
should
give-
or
you
know,
has
the
opportunity
to
give,
and
maybe
it
would
be
prudent.
A
recommendation
on
the
zoning
relief
in
instances
where,
whatever
that
required
or
proposed
relief
is,
is
necessary
in
the
interest
of
conservation
of
that
building,
and
so
I
I
would
say
that
probably
most
of
what
we've
seen
would
not
fit
that
bill.
I
think
that
it's
probably
intended
for
instances
say
where
an
original
front
porch
was
removed
from
a
home.
B
They
have
photo
documentation
that
shows
it
used
to
exist,
but
now
building
that
front
porch
encroaches
on
whatever
the
front
yard
setback
is
or
something
so
that
that
might
be
an
opportunity
where
the
commission
to
say
yes
absolutely.
We
recommend
that
this
be
approved
because
it
was
an
original
feature
to
the
home
and
should
be
reconstructed
so,
but
I
agree
it's
it's,
probably
not
as
clear
as
it
as
it
could
be.
B
You
know
really
robust
discussion
around
it
tonight,
even
though
we
can,
if
someone
came
prepared,
but
as
an
annual
kind
of
best
practice,
we
should
look
at
that
20-year
plan
that
was
just
developed
for
this
commission
that
work
plan
and
we
should
try
to
propose
one
or
two
things
that
we
want
to
accomplish
in
in
each
year
and
I
think
the
one
to
three
category,
there's
probably
seven
to
nine
we're
not
really
sure
that
are
in
there
right
now
and
I
think
that
three
of
those
are
kind
of
already
ongoing
that
we
kind
of
kick-started
as
we
undertook
the
process.
B
But
there
is
a
handful
of
others
that
I
think
there's
room
to
look
at
some
others.
So
if
anyone
has
any
opinions
about
which
of
those
would
be
important,
I
know,
commissioner
driller
you
talked
about
like
the
newsletter
was
something
that
was
very
important
to
you.
It's
a
wonderful
advocacy
effort,
Outreach
effort,
so
that's
something
that
we
could.
We
could
do
as
well.
Yeah.
D
I
had
a
I
had
a
look
at
this
initiative.
2.1
so
I'm
on
page
on
the
last
page
of
the
packet
was
because
I
went
back
to
the
plan
to
see
what
the
priority
was
for
these.
In
addition
to
the
amount
of
time
that
we
indicated
so
2.1
was
the
review
and
update
of
the
historic
preservation.
Ordinance
was
indicated
as
high
priority,
whereas
3.6
4.1,
4.4
and
4.7,
the
remaining
ones
were,
was
indicated
as
pressing.
D
So
you
know
if
we
were
to
do
one
to
two
and
that's
probably
realistic,
since
we're
all
volunteers.
D
Some
of
the
initiatives
like
4.1
4.4
are
the
ones
that
I
identified
are
like
doable
and,
and
we
already
indicated
as
pressing
and
if
we
were
to
do
those
I
think
the
updating,
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
might
be
like
a
bridge
too
far,
but
maybe
historic
preservation
ordinance.
D
The
2.1
is
higher
priority
than
the
other
ones,
and
so
maybe
we
focus
on
that
I'm
not
suggesting
either
one
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
that
if
we
were
to
do
just
one,
it
might
be
the
ordinance,
whereas
if
we
were
to
choose
to
perhaps
the
the
4.1
and
4.4,
which
are
the
two
they're
like
cousins
in
terms
of
Education,
might
be
a
kind
of
Suite
of
advocacy
that
we
could
actually
achieve
anyway,
that
that
was
what
I
wanted
to
put
out
there.
I
I
recognize
that
the
ordinance
needs
to
be
updated.
D
We
saw
the
discussion
that
we
were
having.
There
might
be
some
opportunities
to
address
some
of
that
stuff
in
the
ordinance
to
be
honest
with
you
yeah
so,
but
on
the
other
hand,
a
newsletter
that
kind
of
educates
the
public
a
little
bit
more,
might
sort
of,
like
the
the
first
proposal
that
we
had
where
they
were
replacing
all
the
windows
exactly.
That
was
the
first
one.
D
Second,
second
one,
you
know
that
might
they
might
have
gone
in
a
different
direction
if
we
had
had
a
newsletter,
so
I
mean
it's
it's
anyway,
so
that
those
were
my
thoughts
that
I
brought
to
the
table
today.
J
I
I
had
a
thought
about
and
I
don't
I
know
it's
one
of
the
initiatives.
I,
don't
I
didn't
mark,
which
one
and
I
was
mentioning
to
some
of
y'all.
We
have
some
openings
I
think
for
Commissioners
on
this
I,
don't
know
two
Cade
there's
a
couple
openings
and
then
I
know
at
one
point.
J
We
wanted
more
diversity
on
this
commission,
so
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity,
since
we
have
some
existing
openings
like
to
just
try
to
have
like
a
person
of
color
or
some
other
underrepresented
groups
that,
since
we
do
have
a
few
openings,
I
thought.
Maybe
that
would
be
something
we
should
focus
on.
J
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
know
about
the
commission
or
no
there's
openings
or
just
mainly
Word
of
Mouth
I'm,
not
sure
you
know
how
I
was
thinking,
maybe
like
I
had
mentioned,
maybe
like
reaching
out
to
shorefront
some
of
those
organizations
that
we
work
with
or
even
like
having
you
I,
don't
want
to
give
you
more
work
or
one
of
us
go
to
like
a
war,
Fifth
Ward
meeting
or
a
different
War.
J
D
D
D
Does
that,
then
we
all
all
of
a
sudden,
have
you
know,
kind
of
start
a
conversation
and
then
Kate
you
and
I
talked
about
having
some
kind
of
email.
Do
you
recall
we?
We
talked
about
having
an
email
that
that
could
be
sent
to
all
of
us
that
then
we
could
forward
to
those
folks
that
that
talks
about
what
is
involved
in
being
on
the
commission
yeah,
so
that
that
was
a
thought
that
I
had,
because
we
all
know
different
people.
J
I
mean
I
I,
like
that
I
just
think
we
shouldn't
stop
there,
because
our
groups
might
be
somewhat
come,
imagine
homogeneous
and
not
that
different
than
who
we
see
sitting
here
now
so
I
just
feel.
Like
that's
good,
I
totally
agree.
We
should
talk
to
neighbors
friends,
whoever,
but
we
should
also
I
think
look
outside
of
our
like
immediate
circles.
D
Yeah,
no
I
was
suggesting
that
we
think
about
who
we
might
wanna,
who
might
be
strategic,
not
just
any
two
people
but
think
about
who
might
actually
have
some
thought.
D
Some
suggestions
just
to
kind
of
broaden
it
out,
so
that
it's
not
just
we're
so
that
we're
not
always
going
to
the
same
people
all
the
time,
not
that
we
wouldn't
go
to
the
two
Shore
front
or
others
because
they're
great,
but
you
know,
try
to
to
spread
it
around
a
little
bit
so
that
so
that
the
same
people
don't
feel
like
we're
coming
to
them
over
and
over
and
over,
which
isn't
fair.
Also.
J
Yeah
I
I
that
that's
why
I
mentioned
the
word
means,
and
that's
just
the
fifth
Lord,
but
any
Ward
meeting
like
a
lot
of
them
are
online
now
I
think
they
do
monthly
calls
and
I'm.
The
second
word,
even
if
we
could,
you
know,
talk
to
our
older
person
and
see
if
we
can
get
a
couple
minutes
on
their
call
or
something
because
those
are
their
most
engaged
people
who
are
calling
in
or
going
to
those
award
meetings
anyway,
who
may
have
more
of
a
interest
in
you
know,
participating
in
a
process
like
this.
I
The
other
thing
is:
if
a
letter
is
drafted
or
put
together,
several
council
members
have
office
hours,
and
so
just
having
you
know
a
letter
there
for
people
that
come
and
want
you
know
just
it's
it's
an
opportunity
for
a
council
member
to
say:
hey,
are
you
interested
in
this?
You
know
case
of
information.
I
mean
that's
just
another
way
of
getting
in
contact
with
people.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
good
discussion,
any
other
comments
about
the
work
plan
or
any
other
discussion
items.
Commissioners
might
have.
J
I,
have
one
more
and
I'll
keep
it
brief.
I,
don't
remember
where
this
was,
but
something
an
initiative
about
trees
and
removal
of
trees.
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
fits
in
with
us.
I
know
they
talked
about
adding
that
so
I'd
love
to
see
that
not
necessarily
here
but
I,
mean
preservation,
I
feel
like
and
with
the
climate
action
and
resiliency
plan.
That
Evanston
has
I
feel
like
the
trees.
Are
such
a
missed
opportunity?
J
If
we
don't
try
to
save
them
now
you
cut
down
a
200
year
old
tree
you're,
not
going
to
get
it
for
200
years
so
like
it
just
feels
like
it's
sort
of
like
it
feels
very
urgent
for
me
to
like
that's
something
I
think
we
should
address
right
away,
because
some
of
these
construction
projects
do
clear
these
things.
I,
don't
know
how
often
it
comes
up
but
or
even
if
the
city
would
address
it
in
zoning
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
addressed
somewhere
more
like
seriously.
B
So
it's
really
interesting
that
you
bring
it
up.
We
were
recently
or
I
was
recently
engaged
by
some
staff
members
in
the
sustainability
office.
I
was
very
excited
about
aspects
of
this
plan
they
are
presenting
or
in
discussions
with
the
environment
board
on
a
tree
preservation
ordinance.
They
asked
if
I
could
attend
to
present
both
that
and
some
information
on
deconstruction
and
what
that
looks
like.
B
F
D
Ahead,
the
only
other
thing
we
were
talking
about
before
the
meeting
I
think
it
was
Amanda.
You
were
mentioning
the
deconstruction
initiative
and
whether
that's
something
that
we
wanted
to
think
about
talk
about.
B
Yeah,
it's
a
so
that's
a
similar
same
topic,
I'll
be
giving
a
little
bit
of
information
on
on
trees
and
and
I'm,
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
different
perspective
on
that
than
the
environment
board.
Will
because
there's
obvious
environmental
benefits
to
that,
but
there's
also
kind
of
these
intangible
character,
defining
sense
of
place,
qualities
that
these
trees,
really
they
help
establish
the
Integrity
of
setting
for
our
historic
districts
and
a
lot
of
our
neighborhoods
that
are
historic
or
non-historic,
but
they
also
asked
to
give
some
information
on
on
deconstruction.
B
I
think
that's
something
that
is
maybe
a
not
as
immediate
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
that
has
to
be
looked
at
for
that.
But
we
are
very
lucky
that
we
have
a
partner
in
town.
The
rebuilding
exchange.
A
lot
of
communities
do
not
have
a
resource
that
powerful
that's
in
their
backyard.
That's
willing
to
take
on
a
lot
of
that
work,
so
I
think
it
is
a
it's
an
excellent
opportunity.
I
Promise
this
is
the
last
thing,
but
I
that
just
talking
about
the
environment
board
reminded
me
that
I
mean
larger
scope,
I
think
other
committees
and
commissions
I
think
are
having
an
issue
too.
With
you
know:
diversity
on
their
on
their
in
their
membership,
so
possibly
the
equity
commissioner,
whatever
committee
commission
could
I
think
address
that
assist
I
mean
just
I
mean
I'm
sure
it's
not
just
the
preservation
commission,
that's
having
that
issue.
I
think
it
could
be
a
city-wide
thing.
D
Yeah
there's
there's:
there
was
also
a
webinar
that
I
worked
with
the
national
Association
of
preservation
commissions
on
about
this
topic
about
diversifying
our
thing,
our
membership.