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A
Each
presentation
we
have
potentially
a
very
long
agenda
tonight
and
I
think
we'd
like
to
get
out
of
here
in
a
somewhat
reasonable
hour,
we'll
take
the
matters
in
the
order
of
the
agenda,
but
please
keep
in
mind
that
people,
particularly
the
end
of
the
agenda,
are
going
to
have
to
wait
till
we're
done.
If
you
would
like
to
see,
if
you
remember
the
public
would
like
to
speak
after
an
applicant
makes
a
presentation
you
can.
A
You
need
to
sign
in
to
the
signup
sheet
beforehand,
introduce
yourself
when
you
come
up
and
we'd
really
appreciate
it.
If
everybody
could
keep
their
replies
down
to
a
couple
minutes,
if
you'd
like
to
appoint
a
representative
to
give
kind
of
a
main
presentation,
that
would
be
fine,
but
you
know
please
keep
in
mind
that
you
know
there's
it's
a
long
agenda
and
we'll
hear
what
each
person
has
to
say
without
the
need
to
necessarily
have
everybody
repeat
the
same
thing.
So
please,
just
out
of
courtesy
to
your
neighbors
and
other
applicants.
A
A
A
Favor,
while
we're
in
favor,
okay,
the
next
two
meters
are
potentially
confusing
so
I'll
just
kind
of
set
the
setting,
so
we
can
decide
on
the
matter
that
were
appointed
to
decide
on
and
do
that
efficiently.
So
the
first
matter
was
24:04
Ridge,
Avenue
and
again
we'll
we'll
keep
these
separate.
We'll
keep
the
presentation
separate
and
responses.
Separate,
2404
Ridge
was
the
modifications
that
were
generally
approved
and
made
about
20
years
ago
and
we're
you
know
those
were
already
approved.
We
don't
have
any
right
to
review
those
modifications
that
were
previously
approved.
D
D
So
just
a
little
opening
I
want
to
say
that,
good
evening
to
everybody,
and
just
over
23
years
ago,
I
purchased
the
property
that
we're
discussing
tonight
at
24:04,
Ridge,
Avenue
I
purchased
it
with
a
passion
that
I
had
for
restoring
and
renovating
old
and
historic
properties,
and
if
you
know
the
property
of
2404
Ridge,
you
will
know
that
it
possessed
both
the
old
and
the
historic
features
in
spades.
Hermia
was
love
at
first
sight
and
I
was
I
began
a
long
journey.
D
Over
the
last
23
years
we
have
worked
hard
with
blood,
sweat
and
the
occasional
tear
through
the
various
processes,
applications
and
municipal
paperwork,
to
be
able
to
restore
the
historic
buildings
that
too
404
bridge.
We
have
spent
enormous
sums
of
time,
energy
and
money
to
do
so.
It's
been
a
true
labor
of
love
that
carries
on
to
this
day.
There's
a
little
question
that
our
work
here
to
four
has
served
to
preserve
into
perpetuity
and
protect
this
property
from
a
less
favorable
future.
D
One
can
only
imagine
a
different
owner
and
a
different
outcome,
there's
a
little
question
that
our
efforts
have
enhanced
the
neighborhood
and
indeed
serve
to
increase
the
adjacent
neighborhood
property
values.
While
work
and
efforts
throughout
the
years
have
been
transparent
and
open
with
fine
workmanship
and
good
intentions,
we
have
worked
hard
to
promote
the
values
that
the
city
of
Evanston
promulgates
in
a
way
that
encourages
historic
preservation,
even
at
large
cost
financial
burden
and
at
times,
neighborhood
rejection
fast
forward
to
2019.
D
This
all
started
early
this
year,
when
our
company
decided
to
complete
this
long
and
difficult
process.
When
we
presented
the
Zoning
Commission
with
the
three
lot
subdivision
request,
when
it
was
determined
as
viable
but
requiring
a
zoning
variance,
we
decided
to
simplify
and
change
it
to
the
and
reset
it
to
the
subdivision
request.
You
see
here
tonight
the
two
Ludd
subdivision.
D
It
was
reviewed
at
length
by
the
Zoning
folks
and
determined
to
be
a
compliant
request
with
the
non-conformities
of
the
bond
that
we'll
soon
see
and
the
build-out
to
be
pre-existing
conditions
and
not
relevant
to
the
subdivision
request
from
Iran
that
was
in
March,
sticky
wickets
began
to
appear
in
random
order.
Soon
we
were
told
that,
in
order
to
subdivide,
we
would
need
to
receive
yet
another
coa,
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
your
body
tonight.
D
The
original
barn
building
plan,
which
had
been
approved
from
the
start.
We
have
maintained
that
somewhere
amidst
the
folds
of
the
statue
of
limitations,
the
doctrine
of
proposed
race'
judicata,
double
jeopardy
and
administrative
approval
that
requiring
another
CoA
here
was
unreasonable,
inappropriate
in
the
ship
that
had
long
since
sailed,
however,
encouraged
by
numerous
city
officials
to
take
this
step
to
take
the
step
years
after
substantial
completion
in
order
to
hush
any
potential
future
objections
by
concerned
parties
and
wishing
again
to
be
compliant
with
city
wishes.
D
We
agreed
we're
here
tonight
in
an
effort
to
move
this
mission
towards
the
goal
line.
We
hope
that
the
Commission
will
look
favorably
upon
our
past
efforts
in
future
plans.
Our
request
for
a
subdivision
is
compliant
and
straightforward,
and
we
are
ready
to
show
you
the
differences
here
on
the
PowerPoint
here.
D
You
have
our
two
requests
before
you
tonight
with
some
relevant
dates
and
times,
and
you
may
have
all
that
in
your
packet,
and
you
may
be
well
aware
of
it.
Interesting
to
note
is
that
we
actually
did
a
renewal
of
the
original
CoA
that
may
not
be
well
known
by
people
that
was
completed
in
the
year
2000.
D
The
barn
alterations,
which
you
mentioned
first,
salient
facts
that
our
plans
were
submitted
and
approved
1997
the
barn
alterations
carried
on
mostly
in
the
beginning
of
this
period,
but
have
been
inspected
and
approved
by
city
of
Evanston
inspectors
since
1997
right
up
to
the
present.
Here,
you
see
the
elevations,
which
you
also
have
your
packet
side-by-side.
Those
are
a
little
difficult
to
note,
but
I
go
through
them
one
by
one,
starting
with
the
East
elevation.
D
The
approved
plans,
but
with
something
we
didn't
complete
in
the
plans,
was
that
the
old
barn
door
on
the
left
side,
the
south
side.
We
we
never
all
in
approved
plans
completed
it
it's
exactly
as
it
is
on
the
plan.
Except
then
the
approved
plans
had
six
skylights
have
approved
on
the
West
roof
elevation
and
at
some
point
log
we
made
it.
It
became
three
skylights
and
at
least
and
three
skylights
on
the
west.
D
The
East
elevation
from
Laney
park
right
up
close
to
the
property
line
again
another
view
from
Laney
Park.
You
can
tell
that
it's
near
the
fence
that
defines
our
profitable
the
West
elevation
of
the
barn.
The
approved
plans
showed
six
skylights
and
again
we
only
did
three
on
the
west
side
second
floor,
the
existing
conditions,
nothing
was
touched
or
altered
the
first
floor.
There
was
one
window
added
to
the
south
of
the
door
and
two
double
unit
windows
added
to
reflect
the
second
floor:
double
windows
instead
of
single
windows.
D
Here
you
see
it
as
it
exists
today
and
in
the
plans
public
view
of
the
West
elevation.
This
is
the
public
alley
right
at
the
entry
to
our
property
from
the
South
alley
that
comes
off
of
Colfax,
and
it's
the
only
place
that
you
can
really
see
the
vine
from
the
West
elevation
public
near
the
West
elevation
from
Lahey
Park,
again,
Lahey
Park.
Another
view
from
the
alley.
D
From
Lincoln
Avenue,
looking
across
Lahey
Park
to
the
elevation
I'm
to
the
North
elevation,
there
were
no
changes.
There
are
alterations
to
what
had
been
existing
nothing's
been
touched
on
the
north
side.
Here
you
see
the
north
side
with
the
plants
and
with
the
existing,
it
turns
out
that
the
architect
had
neglected.
To
put
you
see
the
small
square
windows
on
the
first
floor,
those
are
all
very
typical
horse
stall
windows
and
they
have
bars
over
them
and
they
are
just
as
they
were
when
they
were
constructed
over
well.
D
Over
a
hundred
years
ago,
nothing's
been
changed.
Their
public
view
at
the
North
elevation
from
Lahey
Park
closed
up
from
leggy
Park.
You
see
the
bar
the
low
the
horse
windows
on
the
first
level,
again,
nothing,
the
old
hold
home
from
Lincoln
Avenue,
the
North
elevation
Magana
closed
up
from
Laney
Park
South
elevation
of
the
barn
approved
plans,
one
one
less
window
was
installed
than
what
was
approved,
the
one
of
the
windows
that
was
approved.
D
The
third-floor
window
was
existing,
not
touched,
and
you
see
the
the
window
on
the
right
side
that
was
finally
installed
where
there
was
an
existing
window
public
view
from
the
alley
from
the
sidewalk
another
one
from
the
alley
not
much
to
see
this
time
of
year
from
the
east
sidewalk
of
Ridge
to
try
to
get
a
better
view
of
what
you
might
see
from
Lincoln.
Looking
across
the
park
from
the
public
alley
park
view
and
on
to
the
subdivision,
may
I
go
through
the.
This
is
no.
A
A
E
D
Oh,
no,
the
construction
had
already
begun,
but
it
was
ongoing
and
it
was
as
money
became
available
and
because
the
CoA
expired
after
a
certain
amount
of
time.
We
were
told
we
needed
to
renew
so
in
spite
of
the
fact
of
having
the
building
permit
and
moving
forward
with
that,
we
renewed
the
coa
in
2000,
and
the
construction
was
largely
we
as
money's
been
available,
we've
trickled
here
and
there,
but
substantially
it
started
with
we
needed
to
restructure
the
barn.
D
We
had
to
put
steel
and
concrete
and
it
started
from
there,
and
then
it
went
to
the
structure
on
the
roof,
and
it
was
you
know,
although
there
has
been
some
work
here
and
there,
and
there
has
even
been
some
new,
a
building
permit
issued
twice,
we
had
to
get
new
building
permit,
not
renew,
but
new
building
permits
to
carry
on
with
small
things.
And
finally,
we
wanted
there
was
a
tenant
moving
in
and
wanted
to
use
the
second
floor.
D
F
B
F
F
D
True,
the
work
is
still
not
completed.
Hence
that's
why
we're
here
now
we
have
one
large
element
to
complete
and
we
went
to
finish
this
up
last
summer
when
the
longtime
tenant
had
moved
out
and
and
one
thing
led
to
another,
with
that
issue
and
and
it
was
delayed,
and
then
we
went
the
next
step
for
the
subdivision,
and
here
we
are
tonight
so.
D
A
F
B
G
D
A
Thank
you,
so
why
don't
you
have
a
seat
for
now
and
you'll
see
a
fun
you.
There
are
other
questions.
You
can
come
back,
girls
for
the
set,
the
second
matter,
so
thank
you
are
there.
Members
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak
to
just
this
part
of
the
application.
H
H
They
found
the
citruses
and
Barber
said
ruit's
was
was
conscious
of
the
El
that
and
she
tended
to
maintain
it
well
I
lived
there
the
barn
and
had
not
been
touched
now.
I
was
told
earlier.
My
missus
white
served
that
the
windows
on
the
west
side
of
the
barn
were
added
by
the
sifrits
I
personally
challenged
them.
H
They
were
not
added
by
Mississippi
was
I
was
involved
in
the
restore
refurbishing
of
her
house,
and
we
were
involved
with
the
Preservation
Committee
in
terms
of
the
painting
of
the
house,
and
we
received
an
award
for
that
and
she
received
no
word
for
that.
My
concern
is
I
practiced
I
practiced
in
Evanston
for
those
since
1961
we've
done
about
I've
got
about
12
projects
at
Northwestern,
starting
with
the
landfill,
so
I
did
way
back
to
that.
My
concern
about
the
property
is
the
houses
our
house
and
the
barn
are
historic.
H
The
barn
is
is
too
late,
it's
been
compromised,
it
no
longer
looks
like
a
barn
looks
like
a
house,
and
some
northern
suburb
and
I
think
that's
a
shame.
The
house
has
not
been
touched
that
much,
but
that's
not
the
value
of
the
property.
The
value
of
the
property
is
the
homestead
sitting
at
the
top
of
the
hill
on
the
ridge
with
the
farm
starts
you
down
through
the
park
to
the
canal,
that's
the
value
of
that
property,
and
it's
to
retain
that
way.
Thank
you.
A
I
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Peter.
Miller
I
live
at
23:54
Ridge
the
house
that
mr.
de
Stefano
used
to
live
in
some
time
ago,
I'd
like
to
challenge
the
the
account
of
the
renovation
of
the
barn.
The.
If
you
look
at
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
of
October
21
1997,
which
was
in
the
packet
for
the
previous
meeting,
which
was
postponed
until
this
one,
you
will
note
that
there
was
considerable
concern
among
the
commissioners
about
the
sky
lights
in
the
sky,
and
there
were.
J
They
were
assured
by
the
applicant
that
the
skylights
were
not
visible
from
the
street,
particularly
from
the
west,
and
it
and
all
the
pictures
he
showed.
You
tonight,
of
course,
are
taken
in
the
summer
when
it's
much
harder
to
see
the
skylights
than
it
is
there
any
other
parts
of
the
year
when
there
are
plainly
visible,
and
even
today,
if
you
take
the
pictures
from
the
right
place,
you
can
see
them.
J
J
What
happened
was
the
applicant
irrigated
to
himself
the
authority
to
make
changes
to
the
plans
which
were
approved
by
this
body,
and
that's
why
the
we
believe
that
the
that
the
body
now
should
require
the
applicant
to
do
what
was
required
at
the
beginning
that
was
approved
at
the
beginning
of
this
process
rather
than
him
and
handing
him
an
approval
for
something
that
he
that
he
granted
to
himself
and
I
will
stop
there
for
the
barn
part.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah
I
think
my
question
might
be
to
legal
as
well.
What
is
the
the
issue
that
was
just
raised?
What
what
is
the
legal
position
or
what
rights
do
we
have
regarding
whether
or
not
essentially
didn't
build?
What
was
approved?
I
mean
this
is
not
the
only
time
I've
heard
of
this
occurring,
having
been
on
the
Commission,
where
somebody
did
not
build
what
had
been
approved
right.
H
K
I'm,
sorry
would
you
like
me
to
answer
sure:
okay,
mr.
chairman
members
of
the
board,
Hugh
DuBose
assistant
assistant,
Corporation
Counsel,
so
the
not
building
to
to
the
coa,
basically
as
a
ordinance
violation
than
itself
there.
But,
however,
this
body
does
not
have
any
kind
of
adjudicated
powers,
so
you
cannot.
You
find.
E
I
did
notice
in
the
97
minutes
that
the
sky
lights
were
a
big
point
of
contention,
and
so
the
fact
that
one
of
the
major
changes
was
to
shift
the
sky
lights
around
to
the
opposite
side
does
seem
like
a
critical
point,
because
that
that
wasn't
just
something
that
they
glossed
over.
It
was
a
very
specific
point
of
discussion
that
the
sky
lights
would
only
be
on
the
one
back
side
and
so
to
make
that
kind
of
a
change
without
even
asking
the
question
seems
very
difficult
to
accept
after
the
fact.
F
Actually,
I'm
curious:
we
really
didn't
get
an
explanation
for
any
of
the
changes
and
they
seem
to
have
been
glossed
over
and
I.
Think
the
applicant
really
needed
to
explain
any
one
of
the
substantive
changes.
Not
just
the
three
skylights
I
mean
I
may
not
worry
as
much
about
the
barn
door
mom
having
been
moved
at
all
over
the
place
but
windows
there.
There
is
a
difference
when
you
look
at
the
elevation
with
the
big
large
window
versus
living,
that's
the
south
and
so
on
and
I
haven't
heard
any
explanation
for
any
of
those
changes.
D
Its
we
were
working
regularly
with
the
preservation
coordinator,
Carlos
and
with
the
city
inspectors
and
the
zoning
people,
and
then
once
the
permit
was
issued
with
I
guess
with
the
inspectors
and
so
on,
and
these
changes
candidly
I,
don't
recall
what
was
discussed
with
Carlos.
If
there
was,
you
know,
approval
given
administrative
Lee
or
you
know,
what's
in
plane,
it
was
in
play
day
and,
and
it
existed
from
like
said
almost
20
years
ago.
All
of
these,
from
probably
all
these
changed
I,
couldn't
even
tell
you
if
it
happened.
D
If
one
happened-
and
you
know
2001
in
2001
or
2002
and
I
can't
you
know,
we
have
an
architect
that
we
still
work
with.
That
was
part
of
all
this
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
recall
the
specific
discussions
had
with
this
village
city
about
it,
each
each
alteration,
but
it
was,
it
was
a.
It
was
a
matter
of
discussion
regularly.
A
D
If
you
stand
somewhere
from
the
public
way,
including
Lahey
Park
right
up
against
the
fence,
if
that's
the
public
way,
then
yes,
somewhere,
you
can
see
them
they're
little
they're
little
visible
from
any
from
any
place.
I
showed
you
pictures
and
they're,
not
disingenuous
there.
We
took
them,
including
the
one
from
Ridge,
on
the
only
spot
on
Ridge,
where
there
is
a
view
of
the
barn
to
be
to
not
be
disingenuous.
A
L
A
So
it's
I
mean
there
were
statements
made
that
the
skylights
would
not
be
visible
from
any
neighboring
property.
But
beyond
that,
it's
not
very
clear
and.
L
F
It's
it's
apparently
not
what
was
on
the
approved
permits
right
III
by
the
way,
don't
consider
that
if
a
building
inspector
who
might
be
the
plumbing
inspector,
the
electrical
inspector
went
through
and
approved
something
that
that
automatically
sanctioned
all
of
the
other
changes.
That's
completely
irrelevant.
In
terms
of
that.
F
I
F
B
F
Yes,
it
would
be
a
new
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
24:04
Ridge,
encompassing
a
series
of
alterations
to
the
original
1997
approved
project,
including
changes
to
the
location
of
three
of
the
skylights,
not
relocating
one
of
the
doors
changes
to
windows
on
the
south
side,
including
size
of
window
and
some
other
changes
that
are
all
two
windows
and
window
positions,
and
that
would
be
in
accordance
with
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten.
The.
K
G
D
This
is
just
a
copy
of
the
zoning
analysis
that
was
reviewed
in
called
a
compliant
and
then
I
have
a
series
of
correspondences
here
from
that
that
we've
included
to
maybe
help
clarify
some
of
the
talk
they
might
go
on
here
tonight
about
about
issues
that
may
or
may
not
be
relevant
to
the
subdivision
and
I.
Don't
I'm
not
sure
if
how
need
to
go
through
each
issue
as
it
came
up
and
then
was
altered
by
city
officials,
but
it's
it's
extensive
and
basically
it
came
down
to
that
tonight.
We
it
came
down
to
that.
D
A
D
D
D
G
A
M
M
A
N
Hello,
my
name
is
Chris
Van
ever
made.
I
live
at
10:13
Colfax
I,
just
like
to
take
a
second
here,
too
I'm
representing
the
Colfax
and
Reyes
neighborhood
community,
and
if
the
representatives
from
the
Commission's
you
understand
the
the
number
of
people
that
are
involved
in
our
opposition
to
this
subdivision,
the.
N
Comprehensive
plan
general
plan
Rebbetzin
states
that
the
landscape
settings
of
Evanston's
buildings
are
as
important
to
the
preservation
of
evidence,
historical
architectural
character,
as
are
the
individual
buildings
themselves.
This
property
at
the
corner
of
Ridge
and
Lincoln
was
a
stark
farmhouse
from
the
pre
Civil
War
era.
The
property
has
maintained
the
house
and
the
barn
and
the
yard
adjoining
it
that
the
mr.
Schweitzer
wants
to
subdivide
by
chopping
up
this
property
into
multiple
pieces.
N
You
are
fundamentally
tearing
apart
that
you
are
tearing
apart,
that
historical
property
tearing
apart
what
it
means
to
the
community
and
how
it
sort
of
anchors
the
neighborhood
I.
Don't
think.
There's
any
doubt
that,
though
mr.
Schweitzer
has
said
that
he
has
no
defined
plans
for
lot
to
that
he's
going
to
build
on
it.
He
has
a
developer
from
well-meant.
He
is
going
to
build
a
property
on
that.
He
is
going
to
build
it
as
big
a
house
as
he
can
on
that
to
maximize
his
investment.
N
His
return
on
investment,
so
I
think
we
can
assume
that
that
there
will
be
a
large
house
built
on
lot
to
that.
It
will,
to
some
degree,
obstruct
the
view
of
the
farmhouse
and
the
barn
from
Ridge
that
there
will
be
a
large
garage
built
there.
That
will
be
a
large
driveway
paved
down
to
the
alleyway
below
I.
N
Think
that
he'd
probably
also
noticed
that
the
the
line
along
Ridge
there
that's,
where
rich,
meets
Lincoln
and
cuts
underneath
the
El,
that's
beautiful,
like
Rock
ridged
underpass,
there
he's
going
to
need
to
cut
into
that
to
open
up
the
new
stairs.
He
hasn't
asked
for
an
easement
on
the
stairs.
He
can't
have
both
properties
sharing
the
same
front.
Entryway
so
I
think
it's
clear
that
he
intends
to
build
on
this,
that
it
will
have
an
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
It
we'll
have
an
impact
on
the
existing
historical
property.
We
are
chopping
up.
N
The
historical
land
I'm
also
concerned
about
just
the
population
density
that
he's
increasing.
Here
there
is
one
ingress
and
egress
for
traffic
inside
and
outside
of
the
property.
The
house
can
have
three
unrelated
individuals
and
the
barn
can
have
three
unrelated
individuals
in
it.
He
builds
another
house
a
lot.
That's
nine
unrelated
individuals
with
their
cars
going
through
one
unpaved,
narrow
alleyway
that
runs
along
Lahey
Park,
where
people
walk
their
dogs
and
the
children
go
to
the
park
through
that
outlet.
N
So
this
is
really
sort
of
upsetting
the
entire
ecosystem
that
we
have
in
this
neighborhood
to
say
that
we
were
going
to
build
more
property
there
more
buildings
in
that
area
and
I
think
it's
disingenuous
of
mr.
Schweitzer
to
say
that
his
intention
to
subdivide
it.
He
has
no
plans
to
build
on
that
and
that
he's
just
asking
for
subdivision
and
once
the
subdivision,
if
this
committee
recommends
subdivision
City
Council
approves
it
anything
he
does
with
that
property
will
be
outside
the
scope
of
this
commission.
O
Should
this
be
allowed,
it
would
forever
reduce
and
destroy
this
historic
property.
I've
grown
up,
I've
lived
in
three
houses
in
this
neighborhood
and
I'm,
drawn
to
it
because
of
the
historic
nature
because
of
because
of
the
homes
and
the
neighborhoods,
and
not
only
would
it
destroy
the
historic
value,
but
also
the
aesthetic
value
of
the
house.
I
grew
up.
O
I
spent
much
time
with
Barbara
Sipowicz,
my
mother,
and
she
were
best
friends
and
I
know
how
much
many
sacrifices
she
made
to
make
sure
that
this
house
retained
its
historic,
historical
character,
financial
and
otherwise,
and
I
know.
She
would
be
very
sad
if
she
saw
some
of
the
things
happening
to
it.
Now.
I
just
asked
that
we
really,
please
not,
that
we
respect
the
city's
comprehension,
comprehensive
general
plan
that
does
support
that
the
landscape
settings
are
as
integral
as
the
building
themselves
with
regard
to
historic
buildings.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
F
I'm
good
evening,
I'm
William
ward
I
live
at
23:47
Ridge,
so
the
property
is
on
the
west
side
of
Ridge
I'm
on
the
east
side
and
maybe
60
feet
south.
So
I
looked
directly
at
it
and
I've
been
a
resident
there
for
41
years.
As
of
last
week,
same
house
I
come
from
a
family
where
we
did
actually
have
a
farm
in
the
area
out
on
Church
Street
that
I
visited
as
a
small
child.
My
my
grandmother
grew
up
there
and
they
would
bring
produce
Church
in
to
Evanston
to
sell.
F
She
ended
up
marrying
a
Evanston
fireman
by
the
name
of
Dan
MacKinnon's,
and
we
found
his
picture
down
at
the
firehouse
grill
I
thought
those
were
all
just
made
up
digitally
someplace,
but
they
were
yeah
there.
He
was
with
his
battalion
about
1920,
or
so
the
property
out
on
Church
was
eventually
sold
at
the
farm.
I
actually
visited
it.
We
had
a
picnic,
it
had
a
pond
and
a
tractor
and
a
barn
and
all
that
and
it
was
eventually
sold
and
became
something
called
Delaney
farms.
F
If
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
the
proposed
50
feet,
that
would
be
vacant
division
as
if
you
were
to
grant
it
and
then
the
City
Council
were
to
approve
that
division.
Again,
as
was
previously
said,
you
will
have
no
further
statement
or
influence.
This
commission
will
have
no
further
influence
as
to
what
could
happen
in
the
future
and
as
to
how
that
could
affect
the
remaining
property.
They
would
be
there
at
the
farm
house
and
the
barn
there
will
be
at
least
it's
anticipated
through
its
anticipated.
F
That
there'd
be
a
variety
of
impacts,
including
sight
lines
and
things
of
that
sort
and
because
of
the
time
limitation
I
won't
go
into
it.
There
was
a
memorandum
submitted
at
one
point
that
lists
lots
of
different
issues
that
would
occur
with
that
so,
but
you
would,
of
course,
not
have
any
say
whatsoever
with
it
with
respect
to
that
property
and
for
what
purpose?
What
why
is
it?
Why
is
it
being
divided?
F
There's
nothing,
nothing
lost
to
the
applicant
by
waiting
until
we
see
what
actual
plans
there
are
to
just
come
in
and
get
a
division
seems
to
me,
it's
just
whittling
down
the
ability
to
do
something.
Later
but
again,
I
don't
want
to
presuppose
that
I.
Just
think
that
you
should
be
retaining
the
ability
to
have
some
control
over
that
vacant
property,
particularly
with
respect
to
how
it
might
influence
the
the
farm
in
the
in
the
barn
farm
house
in
the
barn.
F
But
the
landscape
settings
are
as
important
as
the
to
the
preservation
of
Evanston's
historical
structure
as
the
buildings
themselves
and
is
their
careful
support
by
the
Preservation
Commission,
and
also
it
encourages
the
preservation
of
large
front
and
side
yards.
There
are
other
references
in
the
ordinance
that
you'll
respect
for
the
setting
in
which
a
proposed
property
requests
are
to
be
considered.
So
for
this
property
you
known
to
be
an
early
firm
with
the
farmhouse
and
a
barn.
How
much
closer
to
consideration
of
the
land
can
you
get?
F
I
mean
that
house
and
the
barn
are
there
because
of
land?
If
you're,
a
farmer,
that's
why
you
build
the
house
in
the
barn,
and
you
don't
have
a
farm
if
you
don't
have
the
land
that
goes
with
it.
So
in
this
particular
case,
maybe
more
so
than
any
you'll
ever
see
in
this
commission,
the
land
is
important
to
the
historical
character
of
the
property
that
we're
trying
to
preserve
if
it
does
get.
F
If
it
does
get
divided,
you'd
still
have
the
house
and
the
barn
in
the
inventory
of
historic
properties
that
have
instant
and
that's
a
fine
thing,
but
I
think
after
a
period
of
time,
it
would
start
losing
its
identity
as
being
a
barn.
It
would
be
one
of
the
many
fine
houses
that
we
have
that
in
the
inventory,
but
it
would
start
loosing
its
character
as
being
a
farm
which
is
part
of
part
of
our
history.
Here.
F
F
Okay,
the
ordinance
mandates
that
all
structures
shall
be
considered
products
of
their
time
and
as
far
as
I
know,
this
is
the
only
remaining
fragment
of
a
farm
in
Evanston.
Maybe
there's
some
others,
but
as
far
as
I,
that's
the
only
one
I
know
so
I
respectfully
requested
you
preserve
the
property,
help
preserve
the
property
by
recommended
in
the
City
Council
that
the
proposed
subdivision
be
denied.
Thank.
A
P
P
F
A
Yeah,
just
to
clarify
the
you
know
the
process
to
build
a
new
home,
which
is
there's
only
at
some
point
in
the
future
would
happen.
Would
it
would
not
come
here
that
the
the
this
property
is
not
in
the
historic
district?
Oh
so
it
would
not
come
here.
The
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition
standard
requires
the
applicant
to
submit
if
they
wish
to
build
and
by
the
other
system.
It
plans
for
a
new
home,
but
the
the
subdivision
standards
do
not
have
any
kind
of
requirement,
because.
M
A
I
So
can
I
ask
a
quick
clarification
so
under
if
I'm,
looking
at
the
ordinance
under
the
review
of
applications
for
subdivision
under
line
B
1
B,
where
it
says,
provide
the
location
and
design
of
new
structures
and
objects
that
are
visually
compatible
with
the
landmark
you're
stating
that
that
would
not
apply
to
this
subdivision.
No.
A
I
I
A
I
mean
I
think
the
simple
I
mean.
The
simple
answer
is
that
the
applicable
tests
that
you
know
many
people
have
brought
up
is
whether
we're
preserving
the
site.
I
mean
I,
think
those
are
the
words
they're
clearly
applicable,
I
mean
there's
been
no
new
structure,
specifically
presented,
so
there's
nothing
to
discuss
other
than
the
fact
that
I
mean.
Obviously
it's.
K
A
I
guess
I
have
a
question
when
for
for
people
who
were
opposed
to
this,
so
when
I
went
to
the
to
see
the
site
way
back
when
the
original
agenda
that
was
proposed
and
I
didn't
have
all
of
your
concerns
in
mind,
but
it
there
are
a
lot
of
immune
and
therefore
I
didn't
didn't
have
in
mind
all
the
arguments
about
what
the
site
might
look
like.
Did
anybody
bring
any
kind
of
pictures
to
show
that
what
the
effect
could
be
on
the
site?
J
Hi
my
Peter
and
Miller
again
on
before
the
first
meeting
when
this
was
supposed
to
be
heard.
I
submitted
to
you
all,
a
memorandum
that
had
three
pictures
attached
to
it
that
were
intended
to
show
you
what
what
would
be
obstructed
if
there
were
a
building
put
on
that
50
foots
it
should
be
so
you
should
have
this.
B
J
E
Something
that
has
come
up
on
other
properties
that
were
subdivided
and
then
redeveloped
recently
was,
of
course,
the
preservation
of
large
trees
and
I
guess
I
would
be
none
of
the
drawings
show
any
kind
of
landscape
features
in
terms
of
mature
trees.
That
might
be
on
the
lot
that
would
be
open
for
redevelopment
under
this
division.
So
I
guess
I'm
curious
what
information
we
have
about
existing
trees
or
existing
large
trees
on
the
proposed
lot.
That
might
be
in
the
way
of
a
future
house
on
that
lot.
G
M
A
D
D
The
highest
and
best
use
of
the
property
was
to
have
multiple
Lots
clearly,
so
we
actually
came
to
the
Preservation
Commission
and
in
disgust
Edna's,
as
as
we
recall
in
back
in
2002
now
it
was
approved,
but
we
didn't
take
it
to
the
next
step
to
the
City
Council
and
we
have
we
have.
No.
We've
had
no
wish
to
see
it
done.
D
So
we
believe
it's
our
full
right
to
do
so
and-
and
it's
been
really
difficult
over
the
years,
not
having
the
ability
to
govern
our
own
property
rights,
and
we
are
good
landowners,
we're
good
landlords
and
we
spent
endless
dollars
and
time
preserving
these
structures
and
keeping
them
beautiful.
If
you
saw
the
inside
of
the
barn,
you
would
know
and
agree.
A
N
Chris
when
they
remain
I
feel
I
have
to
rebut
those
statements.
First
off
this
man
is
not
in
evanston
resident.
He's
a
well
met
developer.
He
does
not
live
in
that
property.
He
does
not
have
a
personal
issue
that
he's
trying
to
get
another
property
in
between
himself
and
Peter
and
Peter's,
not
the
only
one.
Here
we
have
15
20
people
here
today
and
that's
just
the
people
that
could
show
up
today.
Those
meetings
would
move
several
times
before
vacation
during
summer.
N
M
A
I
A
It
seems,
like
you
know,
I'm,
really
speaking,
that
both
sides
is
the
issue
that
I
mean
we're.
Not
gonna
decide
this
on
some
of
these
extraneous
personal
issues,
but
there's
I
mean
the
issue
we
are
supposed
to
decide
is
whether
we'd
be
preserving
the
the
site
and
really
nobody
has
shown
us
any
kind
of
you
know.
I
mean
there
were
a
lot
of
statements
made,
that
it
would
damage
the
site,
but
nobody's
shown
us
any
evidence.
What
the
site
looks
like
why
it
would
damage
the
site.
A
Why
the
you
know
the
placement
of
a
new
home
in
a
you
know,
central
location
on
the
new
site
would
not
adversely
affect
the
site
and
I.
Think
it's
really
I
mean
particularly
given
that
there's
no,
you
know
well
I
agree:
you
have
your
property
rights.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
reason
whatsoever
that
that
we
couldn't
get
adequate
evidence
from
both
sides
and
look
at
it
next
month
I
mean
we
are
supposed
to
be
dispassionate.
Look
at
what
the
site
looks
like
I
mean.
F
F
Okay,
we
don't
know
because
that's
not
being
touched,
but
then
we
get
to
the
next
to
that,
it's
going
to
provide
the
location,
design,
provide
the
location,
design
of
new
structures
and
objects
that
are
visually
compatible
with
the
landmark.
Well,
we
have
nothing
to
make
that
judgment
on.
We
don't
know
where
it's
going,
we
don't
know,
what's
gonna
go
there,
we
don't
have
any
even
zoning
envelope
or
something
schematic
that
says.
F
We
don't
know
that
it
would
be
nice
to
be
able
to
see
on
that
same
drawing
where
the
setbacks
on
all
sides.
What
is
the
largest
volume
that
one
can
build
there?
What
could
be
built
there
where
it
might
be?
This
is
completely
hypothetical.
At
this
point,
we're
being
asked
to
suspend
all
judgment
and
say
we
trust
you
that
when
and
if
you're
gonna
build
it,
it
won't
block
the
view
it
won't
block
the
landmark.
It
won't
disrupt
anything
normally.
It
seems
to
me
we
should
have
seen
something.
F
D
E
E
It
just
has
to
be
a
massing
volume
so
that
we
can
judge
what
would
the
effect
be
on
the
other
landmark
site
on
the
public
way,
because
we
lose
all
ability
to
control
that
down
the
road
once
it's
subdivided
and
if
there
are
mature
trees
or
if
we
need
it
to
be
set
back
10
feet
further
than
the
typical
zoning
ordinance
would
require
to
not
obstruct
the
view.
This
is
our
chance
to
say
that
it's
a
10,000
lot,
two
of
the
almost
10,000
square
feet.
E
That
implies
a
very
large
house
and
I
think
we
need
to
at
least
see
what
the
maximum
volume
the
zoning
would
permit
so
that
if,
for
some
reason
we
need
to
say
no,
we
need
to
be
stricter
than
the
basic
zoning
requirements
in
order
to
protect
the
landmark
property.
We
need
to
know
that
now
before
we
would
approve
the
subdivision
and
that's
kind
of
my
perspective
on
it.
Okay,.
A
A
It
doesn't
require
them
to
back
up
Ken's
point,
and
you
know,
by
way
of
explanation,
we
clearly
have
the
right
to
assess
the
effect
of
the
subdivision
on
the
site
and
then
an
obstruction
of
the
view,
and
so
whatever
I
mean
you
know,
Ken's
asking
questions
about
potential
structures
and
how
it
might
impact
it
without
designing
a
house
in
any
way
shape
or
form
which
you're
not
required
to
do.
I
think
we'd
like
to
ask
everybody
to
come
back
and
just
speak
to
the
questions
of.
A
D
It
suggested
I
get
that
you
and
suggested
you
have
been
out
to
see
the
property
I
would
like
to
if
possible,
I
think
that's
very
smart,
and
it
would
give
a
perspective
on
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I
would
be
happy
to
set
up
a
time
at
your
convenience
when
we
could
do
a
little
walk
by
and
you
can
see
exactly
what
you
can
or
cannot
see.
In
any
case,
yeah.
A
M
M
E
10,
some
with
the
request
to
the
applicant
that
he
returned
with
a
diagram
showing
the
zoning
setbacks
and
restrictions
on
the
on
lot
to
a
three-dimensional
depiction
of
the
zoning
envelope
that
be
permitted
to
be
built
on
lot
to
some
kind
of
topographic
and
landscape
information
for
the
area.
A
lot
to.
M
Q
Hello,
since
our
since
the
meeting
last
month,
we
returned
to
the
drawing
board
and
we've
made
a
good-faith
effort
and
resolving
any
concerns
that
you
had
at
the
last
meeting.
We
took
to
heart
specifically
comments
about
this
design,
not
being
bold
enough
or
clear
enough
and
differentiating
the
old
and
the
new,
and
also
comments
about
consistency
with
the
detailing.
Q
Keep
the
the
best
part
of
the
original
house,
the
front
volley
and
and
renovate
that
just
keep
it
exactly,
as
is
just
fresh
paint,
create
a
new
volume,
I'm
gonna,
correct
myself.
Here
we
we
are
adding
a
front,
the
small
front
porch,
which
is
not
there
right
now,
creating
a
new
volume
in
the
back,
the
the
addition
that
matches
the
front
and
material
simplicity
and
scale
and
then
differentiate
differentiating
this
addition
with
the
shift
in
axis
and
separated
than
by
the
the
glass
transitional
space.
Q
Q
A
K
I
I
I
Wait.
I
have
to
find
my
agenda.
Okay,
I
move
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1514,
Judson
Avenue
for
the
renovation
to
the
existing
rear
volume
of
the
house
to
enlarge
the
master,
suite
and
family
room
and
to
also
include
the
renovation
of
the
rear,
stair
and
a
finished
walkout
basement.
R
R
R
Oh
and
then
the
drawings
for
the
new
garage
which
the
same
footprint
of
the
existing
garage,
one
of
the
major
changes
we
made
after
receiving
some
feedback
from
the
Commission
was
that
the
pitch
of
the
roof
has
been
changed
to
more
closely
match.
The
current
pitch
of
the
roof
so
will
be
a
steeper
pitch.
R
That
was
the
primary
change
to
the
structure
of
the
garage
that
other
major
changes
are
in
the
materials.
It
will
be
hardly
board,
siding
and
aluminum.
Clad
windows
you
can
see
in
the
drawing
is
now
you
can
see
the
surroundings,
what
it
actually
will
look
like
in
place
with
the
fencing,
the
landscaping
and
the
neighboring.
That's
from
the
inside
of
the
yard.
R
F
F
E
G
S
S
Second,
we
had
to
replace
our
back
door
several
years
ago
and
we
used
Andersen
and
the
same
product
and
it's
worked
out
beautifully
and
it
actually
was
a
perfect
match
for
the
original.
The
word
to
the
house
and
third,
the
fibrex
Andersen
windows,
really
are
the
most
unobtrusive
that
we
found
in
working
with
various
contractors
and
give
you
the
closest
to
the
existing
appearance
of
the
casement
windows
that
are
out
there.
I
just
add,
you've
got
all
kinds
of
pictures
and
our
materials
and
you've
got
the
site
plan
and
all
that
other
stuff.
S
These
windows
are
really
not
original
to
the
house.
They
were
added
in
the
50s
40s
or
50s,
when
the
sleeping
porch
was
winterized
by
a
prior
owner
of
the
property,
and
the
windows
on
this
house
in
general
have
been
you
know
since
well,
before
we
owned
the
house
changed
quite
a
bit
and
there's
trouble
track
windows
from
the
1960s.
F
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
I
think
there
was
something
brought
up
last
time:
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
in
the
packet
that
this
wasn't
part
of
the
original
home
right
that
this
was
a
later
edition.
That's
right!
These
windows
are
not
original
to
the
main
house,
but
they
are
original.
To
this
edition
know.
S
What
it
was
was
not
in
first
of
all,
let
me
say
this
is
all
things
that
I've
gotten
over
the
years
from
the
people
who
owned
it
before
me
when
I
bought
it
twenty
years
ago,
and
things
I
picked
up
over
the
years
of
owning
it.
So
house
was
built
in
1912
had
no
sleeping
porch
somewhere
in
the
20s,
a
sleeping
porch
was
added,
which
was
something
I
guess
they
did
back
down
without
air-conditioning
and
so
forth,
but
it
was
not
winterized.
F
T
F
F
S
S
E
S
Past
whole
clan
was
so
I'm,
not
an
advocate
for
fibrex
I'm,
just
a
homeowner
but
I
had
I
talked
to
Barbara
and
I
talked
to
these
people
from
Anderson.
The
Anderson
door
has
worked
out
really
well,
we
owned
an
apartment
in
the
city.
We
used
Anderson
to
do
all
the
windows
there
and
to
do
the
front
door
work
there.
They
did
a
great
job.
Fibrex
is
reputed.
It
looks
what
they're
telling
me
and
what
their
materials
say.
S
It's
great
for
future
low
maintenance,
it's
great
for
normal
value,
which
is
perhaps
the
biggest
problem
here,
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
these
windows
are
falling
apart
at
this
point
and
have
to
be
replaced
even
when
they
weren't
as
bad
as
they
are
now.
There's
just
you
know
whether
it's
ice
completely
across
the
inner
pane.
So
we
need
something
similar
to
what
we
have
down
below
where
the
windows
have
already
been
replaced
from
before
we
were
the
owners.
A
Yeah,
can
I
I
noted
I,
mean
I,
know:
we've
historically
tried
not
to
approve
by
practice,
at
least
in
the
last
few
years,
as
I
walked
by
I
mean
you
really
can't
see
these
windows
I
mean
the
picture
must
be
taken
from
far
away
from
the
house
and
it
just
it's
on.
You
know
just
on
the
Sun
porch
it
does
seem
if
there
was
a
time
to
maybe
make
an
exception.
Well,.
F
You
can't
see
it
it's
not
just
the
tree.
There's
these
enormous
arborvitae
sort
of
block
you
have
your
neighbors
across
the
street
can
see
the
windows
very
well,
I,
think
but
but
I.
You
know
that
that's
always
been
the
argument
that
fences
and
basically
landscape
aren't
necessarily
considered
no,
no.
E
Even
though
that
would
typically
be
within
the
standards
in
this
case
since
they're,
not
original
and
they're
in
poor
condition,
replacement
is
acceptable.
So
it's
a
question
of
is
replacing
it
with
a
completely
novel
non
historic
material
like
the
fibrex,
which
is
fairly
new
and
hasn't
impressed
me
when
I've
seen
physical
samples
of
it
is
that
appropriate.
When,
for
similar
cost
and
similar
performance,
a
wood
window
clad
on
the
exterior
for
low
maintenance
is,
is
readily
available.
I.
F
I
think
the
rationale
of
saying
you
know
it
may
not
be
visible
here.
What
once
we've
accepted
that
motion
of
the
fabrics
mark
like
it
or
not?
It's
a
slippery
slope
and
you
open,
you
know
I
hate
to
say:
you've
opened
the
door
to
any
future
open
the
window
he's
saying
to
me
alright,
but
but
but
seriously,
you
know
that
it
does
what
we
then
it's
the
precedent
like
it
or
not.
I.
K
E
E
This
composite
wood,
fiber
material
I,
just
it
seems
like
a
big
compromise
to
not
have
the
solid
wood
window
and
I
think
the
the
compromises
we've
all
made
in
the
past
is
that
ok,
wood
windows
are
difficult
to
maintain,
we'll
accept
the
cladding
on
the
exterior
as
a
it's,
the
next
level
of
compromise,
once
we've
agreed
to
replace
the
windows
and
then
now
this
is
a
bridge
too
far.
For
me,
I
guess.
S
Talked
to
our
contractor
about
repairing
the
existing
windows,
they
said
in
a
way
you
talked
to
Marvin,
we
talked
to
Andersen.
We
have
an
Anderson
fibrex
door
on
the
back
door
of
this
house
proved
with
a
CoA
from
this
commission
I
just
I'm
frankly,
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do,
but
we're
trying
to
preserve
this
house
we're
trying
to
keep
it
the
way
it
would
look
and
you're
gonna
tell
me
that
you
know
I
can't
deal
with
a
contractor
who's
telling
me
all
these
are
really
good.
S
F
They
all
they
all
make
various
grades
of
Windows.
You
can
get
the
all
wood
Andersen,
you
can
get
the
all
wood
Marvin.
You
can
get
the
clad
Marvin,
the
clad
Andersen.
The
fabrics
got
introduced,
I,
remember
being
at
the
Marvin
plant
when
they
were
first
introducing
him,
and
it
was
essentially
to
compete.
I'm.
Sorry
to
tell
you
this.
With
the
vinyl
window,
it
was
Marvin
looking
at
there's
another
market
there
and
we're
not
competing
at
that
level.
We're
competing
at
the
high
end,
but
we
have
to
and
I
think
Anderson
follow
through
and
I.
F
S
F
I,
you
know
I,
think
the
term
isn't
cheap,
I.
Think
less
expensive
is
probably
a
better
way
to
put
it
it's
probably
less
expensive
than
in
the
all
wood
I.
Don't
know
how
the
the
clad
allows
them
to
use
a
different
grade
of
wood
behind
it,
because
they're
using
finger
joint
and
wood
and
all
the
rest,
but
I,
don't
know
what
the
differences
are
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
for
us
to
be
pricing
it
out.
A
F
F
F
U
S
So
I've
been
at
this
for
four
and
a
half
months
now
for
a
simple
window:
replacement
I've
produced
with
Carlos's
help
and
I
want
to
thank
him
because
he
really
helped
me
through
this.
This
presentation,
you
know
the
application
now
you're
asking
me
to
go
back
and
talk
to
another
contractor
other
then
no
I'm.
S
S
E
All
we're
in
the
same
page,
in
terms
of
we
want
to
see
the
house
preserved
and
maintainable
down
the
road.
I
mean
I,
think
what
Carl
was
saying
is
we
can
do.
We
can
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows
as
an
option
that
you
would
then
work
out
any
details
with
Carlos.
U
S
Me
here
yeah
here,
yeah
and
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
guys
just
vote
but
I
I
gotta
tell
you
you
look
at
this
house.
You
look
at
the
windows
on
this
house,
they're
from
all
different
eras.
You
know:
I've
got
casements
on
the
first
floor
that
come
obviously
from
the
90s
before
I
bought.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
they
are.
I,
don't
know
what
manufacturer
there,
but
they're,
not
wood
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
got
these
wooden.
Casements
I've
got
wooden
windows
with
steel
triple
tracks
from
probably
the
60s.
You
know.
S
S
U
What
do
I
want
to
get
rid
of
your
roots
for
you
and
I'm,
just
saying
I
think
we'll
approve
it.
If
we
do,
though,
like
you
know,
like
the
Anderson,
it's
the
same
I,
don't
think
it's
gonna
cost
dramatically
different
and
it's
the
Anderson
guy.
You
know
what
I
mean
it's
just
a
different
window
type
as
opposed
to
you.
Okay,.
U
S
A
A
S
A
G
F
K
F
A
T
Good
evening,
commissioners
I'm
bill
Peltier
I'm
here
with
my
wife
Laura.
We
were
before
you
last
year
regarding
our
permit
or
garage
two-story
garage
in
the
back
of
our
home
at
a
twenty
Colfax.
Today,
we're
seeking
your
approval
of
a
minor
variation
and,
as
a
I
think
in
the
file
you'll
see
a
description
of
how
we
ended
up
before
you.
Today
we
commissioned
a
contractor
to
put
to
excavate
and
put
in
the
Foundation's
and
long
and
short
of
it.
Is
he
measured
off
our
neighbors
fence?
It
turns
out
footings
in
the
foundation.
T
Wall
are
six
inches
on
to
the
side
yard
setback
on
the
east
side
of
our
property.
Our
neighbor's
garage
is
also
on
the
east
side
of
their
property.
So
it's
twenty
or
thirty,
five
thirty
feet
away
from
our
garage.
It
is
three
feet
off
the
fence,
but
two
and
a
half
feet
off
the
property
line,
our
neighbors
to
our
west.
Their
garage
is
on
the
east,
but
it's
across
our
our
yard.
So
it's
not
really
impacted.
T
You've
approved
the
original
permit
drawings.
After
some
modifications
to
the
elevations
we
think
we
are.
We
are
trying
to
do
a
very
historically
sensitive
garage
coach-house,
we're
replicating
the
stucco
and
timber
on
the
upper
levels,
we're
using
masonry
we're
really
trying
to
build
a
brick
garage
on
the
lower
level
to
match
the
home,
we're
using
beadboard
and
the
soffits
copper,
gutters
and
downspouts
a
heavy
shingle
to
match
the
the
primary
residents
rough
lines
to
match
the
primary
residence.
So
we
think
it's
a
an
impressive
garage.
T
F
T
E
G
A
E
M
M
V
Good
evening
my
name's
Heidi
Paul
I'm
the
architect
in
charge
of
the
renovations
at
1022
Greenwood.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
review
this
this
evening.
My
clients,
Lisa
Macmillan
and
Dave
Neely,
who
are
here
sitting
behind
behind
me,
grew
up
with
a
love
of
Evanston
architecture,
Lisa's
grandfather,
Swilly
every
raised
his
family
at
at
11:23
ridge
and
when
Lisa
decided
to
move
to
Evanston.
One
of
the
first
thing
she
said
to
me
was:
we
need
to
find
a
house
with
a
historic
character
when
she
walked
into
1022
Greenwood.
V
V
The
first
area
is
the
conversion
of
the
conversion
of
a
1980s
screened-in
porch
on
the
South
elevation,
which
we
would
like
to
maintain
the
existing
footprint
and
turn
it
into
a
greenhouse.
The
greenhouse
will
not
impact
the
existing
structure.
It
will
be
behind
the
existing
structure,
the
details
for
the
greenhouse.
It
will
be
a
kit,
a
greenhouse
kit,
and
it
will.
The
details
will
keep.
They
will
be
in
character
with
the
existing
house.
V
Our
second
area
is,
we
would
like
to
add
four
windows
to
the
South
facade,
two
windows
and
a
pair
of
doors
to
the
east
facade
and
three
skylights.
These
skylights
are
not
visible
from
the
street,
and
the
six
windows
and
pair
of
doors
will
be
made
by
TMC
windows
to
replicate
the
existing
wood
windows
with
original
glass
from
the
1880s
that
we've
claimed
from
other
houses.
So
Tim
has
Tim
from
TMC.
Windows
has
talked
about
being
able
to
make
the
windows
not
only
in
proportion
and
detailed,
but
also
using.
V
V
The
Oval
windows
that
we're
proposing
on
the
East
facade
will
replicate
the
existing
oval
windows
that
are
currently
on
the
west
facade.
The
third
part
of
the
renovation
is
to
look
at
the
existing
front.
Porch
the
existing
front,
porch,
the
renovation
of
the
existing
front,
existing
columns,
balusters
handrails
and
wall
posts
on
the
existing
front.
Porch,
the
existing
handrails
balusters
and
roll
posts
were
changed
in
the
1960s
to
their
current
form.
There
is
no
record
of
the
original
design
of
the
front
porch.
V
The
oldest
photo
is
from
1954,
and
that
is
the
cover
photo
of
this
packet.
The
current
homeowner
would
like
to
marry
the
front.
Porch
is
aesthetic
with
the
original,
a
Brooklyn
Burnham
architecture,
highlighting
the
semicircular,
Phillips
or
brackets
that
are
current,
that
are
original
to
the
house
on
the
west
and
the
north
facades,
and
to
utilize.
A
handrail
in
balusters
that
are
found
on
a
historically
significant
edbrooke
in
Burnham
house
at
1456
ridge,
and
our
fourth
portion
of
scope
is
to
remove
the
existing
cement
paver
front,
walk
and
replace
it
with
a
field.
V
V
Shows
our
proposed
front
walk,
and
it
also
shows
that
the
green
house
will
occupy
the
exact
square
footage
of
the
existing
screened-in
porch.
These
are
obviously
current
photos.
You
can
see
the
Oval
windows
on
the
west
facade
that
you'll
see
in
the
elevations
that
these
are
just
hand
sketches
of
the
proposed
revisions
from
obviously
public
ways.
V
V
B
V
There
we
go
right
there,
okay,
so
the
new
columns.
You
can
see
the
bracket
the
existing
bracket
or
fill
it
as
it's
called
in
the
significant
statement
of
historic
significance,
so
we're
taking
this
fill
it
and
we're
incorporating
it
into
the
front.
Porch
design,
the
handrail
and
balusters
can
be
found,
like
I,
said
on
another
at
Brooklyn
Burnham
house.
That
is
shown
in
the
packet
that
I'll
flip
to
in
a
second
and
aside
from
that,
the
the
North
facade
is
staying
as
in
its
existing
state.
V
V
On
the
South
facade.
You
see
the
existing
screened-in
porch
that
will
be
changed
to
the
greenhouse.
You
see
an
existing
second-floor
story
window
that
we
will
be
coupling.
Well,
it's
not
really
coupling
they're
still
separated,
but
we're
adding
an
additional
matching
window.
There
are
two
additional
windows
that
will
be
casements,
that
they
will
appear
to
be
double
Hung's,
that
it
will
be
going
on
the
second
floor
again,
the
tertiary
South
facade.
V
Yes,
this
is
the
existing
East
elevation
again
showing
the
screened-in
porch,
two
additional
windows
that
we'd
like
to
add
on
on
the
East
facade,
and
then
this
is
an
existing
window
that
we
would
like
to
remove
and
turn
into
a
set
of
double
doors.
This
elevation
also
shows
the
addition
of
two
skylights
on.
What's
currently
a
conservatory.
V
This
is
obviously
the
proposed
this
second-floor
window,
which
is
tagged,
and
you
can't
read
it
here,
but
on
your
elevations
you
can.
It
is
tagged
to
match
the
existing
West
elevation
windows
and
these
doors
are
tagged
to
match
the
proportions,
details
and
dimensions.
I'm,
sorry,
not
dimensions,
they
yes
dimensions,
just
not
the
width
of
the
overall
unit
of
the
front
door.
F
You
know
why
why
this
decision
about
the
I'll
start
with
the
columns
on
the
front
porch,
because
I
walked
around
the
house.
I
mean
you
make
mention
of
something
on
the
west,
but
with
the
exception
of
the
racket,
that's
occurring
on
the
east
I'm,
not
clear,
where
you've
got
these
coop,
these
architectural
clues
of
of
these
new
columns
and
and
how?
V
V
Direction
we're
asking
to
change
the
columns
as
well
the
hour,
so
let's
say
75%
of
the
front.
Porch
is
currently
not
original
to
the
house.
The
front
porch
in
its
entirety
is
actually
not
original
to
the
Burnham
to
the
edbrooke
in
Burnham
house.
So
at
Bergan
Burnham
built
the
house,
the
original
front,
porch,
its
understanding
was
torn
down,
minou
front
porch
was
put
on
in
1898,
perhaps,
and
that
porch
has
subsequently
been
torn
apart.
Does
that
does
that?
Does
that
timeline
make
sense?
V
So
now
we're
looking
at
a
house
that
was
designed
by
Ed
Brecon
Burnham
we're
looking
at
a
front
porch,
that's
hypothesized,
to
be
by
Holabird
Roche
and
we're
looking
at
that
helleberg
Roche
architecture
that
has
now
been
torn
apart
and
all
of
these
random
parts
being
put
onto
it.
So
it's
the
original
architecture
of
the
porch
has
been
torn
apart.
V
V
F
It'sit's
always
problematic
and
I'm
sure
I
miss
Sullivan
on
the
end
over
there,
the
expert
on
those
old
standards
and
all
the
rest,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
this,
because
I
think
that
the
question
is
our
you
know:
should
we
really
be
going
back
to
to
what
it
was,
or
should
we
in
some
respect
or
some
extent
reflect
all
of
these
accretions
and
changes
that
have
occurred
over
the
history
of
the
home?
I
mean
different
architects.
F
There's
certainly
lots
of
buildings
around
we're
both
notable
and
that's
on
notable
architects
have
added
onto
something,
and
what
we
have
now
is
what
it
reflects
that
entire
history,
you
know:
do
we
really
go
back
that
we
tear
off
every
single
edition?
That's
been
done
for
the
national
capital.
If
we
want
to
do
that
or
or
almost
anything,
we
could
probably
tear
down
half
the
Coliseum.
V
V
That's
called
out
in
the
statement
of
significance
right
here
and
there's
another
one
right
here,
so
one's
on
the
North
facade
coming
facing
out
and
the
other
ones
on
the
East
facade,
obviously,
by
using
elements
that
they'd
broken
Birnam
actually
put
into
the
house
on
the
front
porch.
In
my
opinion,
it
emphasizes
the
original
architecture
that
they
were
beautifully.
V
We
have
no
idea
what
that
is,
but
we
know
that
what's
there
right
now
is
not
what
was
there
in
the
1920s,
because
we
can
prove
from
a
photograph
taken
in
1954
that
in
1960
it
changed
so
I
guess.
My
question
to
you
would
be.
That
seems
like
a
very
arbitrary
standard.
Just
should
try
and
go,
but
not
I
mean
it
seems
like
how
gets
to
pick
that
moment
in
time
just
say
what
it
should
or
should
not
what
is
or
what
what
is
or
was
what
is
or
is
not
original
appropriate.
F
V
F
M
V
V
I
F
L
They're
called
out
in
the
statement
of
significance.
I
have
a
hard
time
changing
something
you
know.
Although
I
you
know,
I
I,
see
your
logic
and,
and
you
know
the
the
you
know
the
thought
process
you're
making
and
when
you're
trying
to
do
this
I,
don't
like
you
said
we
don't
we
don't
have
actual
evidence,
so
we're
just
you
know,
reaching
for
probable
maybes
instead
of
actually
preserving
something
that
has
itself
established
some
historic
significance
through
the
years.
So
I
have
a
problem.
L
V
V
A
Well,
I
mean
I
would
agree
that
we
should
approve
the
project,
except
for
the
that
changes
to
the
porch
I
mean
that
the
ordinance
says
where
I
didn't,
that
the
changes
that
taken
place
in
the
course
of
time
are
evidence
of
its
history
and
lagonda
sake
become
part
of
that
historic
structure,
even
if
they
weren't
original
and
I
do
think
to
to
change.
What's
there
now
to
something
that's
found
on
purchasing
is
found
on
other
homes
by
one
by
the
original
architect
would
require
I.
A
V
Organization
can
we
and
and
I
have
obviously
I'm
asking
this
question
without
having
any
idea
of
what
my
client
would
like,
but
would
you
consider
it
relevant
to
leave
the
ionic
columns
but
to
change
the
handrail
and/or
handrail
masters,
knowing
that
right
now
hers
I
mean
if
you
look
at
the
existing
newel
posts
versus
just
any
architect
concede
that
the
newel
posts
are
not
original,
the
balusters
are
chunky
like
they
literally
look
like
you
could
have
picked
them
up
from.
So
let
me
actually
make
my
point.
B
M
V
E
Think
you
have
a
good
argument
to
say
that
what
exists
now
as
a
handrail
and
and
Newell
and
balusters
is
newer,
definitely
newer
than
1954
and
is
not
significant
in
its
own
right
and
so
therefore,
some
other
railing
solution
can
be
considered
as
long
as
it's
compatible
but
I
think
the
overall
change
in
terms
of
the
ionic
columns,
that's
cited
in
the
significant
statement.
It
clearly
is
at
least
as
old
as
1954,
if
not
1898
or
whatever
the
other
date
was
I,
think
it
would
be
a
mistake
to
remove
those
features.
F
Other
questions
I
mean
the
same
thing
you
know,
I
was
looking
at
you
know,
you're
picking
up
clues,
which
are
appropriate.
You've
looked
at
things,
features
in
the
house,
I
mean
the
same
thing
when
you're
taking
that
oval
window
and
and
replicating
it
on
the
east
side,
but
we're
not
really
sure
you
know
that
you're
putting
something
back
in
that
was
there.
You
know
it
was
the
same
thing
where,
where
do
we
stop
I?
What
I
did
have
a
question
of
them
and
it's
something
that
no
one
been
asking
about.
F
I'm,
not
saying
it's
wrong,
but
you
have
a
little
more
information
about
this
greenhouse
right
now.
It's
just
I,
don't
know
anything
about
it.
It's
certainly,
you
know
I'm
not
asking
you
to
buy
one
of
those
incredibly
expensive
things
that
we
see
in
catalogs
these
English
greenhouses
made
of
cast.
God
knows
what
that
cost
more
than
English
cast
iron
stoves,
but
but
it's
the
same
kind
of
logic,
I'm,
just
not
sure
what
this
is
and
it's
it's
you
know
you.
F
V
What
we're
looking
at
right
now
and
again,
it
was
my
understanding
that
these
drawings
were
supposed
to
be
basically
a
an
elevated
version
of
a
design
development
packet.
So
we,
what
we
had
looked
at
is
the
Texas
green
house,
company
and
Texas
green
house
company
makes
a
beautiful
glass
and
steel
green
house,
which
I'm
happy
to
share
images
with
you.
I
did
not
think
that
going
into
an
extreme
amount
of
detail
for
that
piece
without
knowing,
if
you
guys
were
going
approve,
the
changing
out
of
the
structure
was:
are
you
pulling
them
up?
It's.
V
V
V
M
F
F
F
L
V
In
the
city
of
Chicago,
you
can
get
manoj
x
in
the
past
when
you're
replacing
a
historic,
historic
attribute
of
the
house.
They
have
made
exceptions,
so
I
think
my
first
go
at
I
would
first
say:
can
you
make
an
exception
and
keep
it
at
least
at
36,
so
it's
low
enough
that
it's
not
creating
a
visual
barrier.
From
that
being
said,
the.
V
T
F
F
B
My
previous
interaction
with
the
building
code
official
in
the
city
was
that
if
you
were
repairing
and
that
replacing
more
than
50%,
then
you
can
keep
it
as
a
repair.
So
they
would
not
ask
you
to
raise
it,
but
if
you
are
replacing
more
than
50%
it
becomes
a
new
feature.
So
you
have
to
meet
the
code.
That's.
L
B
V
G
B
V
F
F
V
V
B
E
Yeah
I
mean
I,
guess
that's
where
I
was
going
is
we
would
approve
it
with
the
understanding
that
the
columns
would
be
maintained
of
the
porch.
The
railing
design
has
some
uncertainty
about
it,
so
we
would
as
long
as
it's
similar
to
the
somewhere
to
either
the
existing
or
the
1954
photograph.
We
would
allow
Carlos
to
approve
the
specifics
once
the
code
review
and
everything
else
is
sorted
out,
but
if
it's
some
more
major
change
is
preferable.
You'd
come
back
at
that
point.
E
V
F
C
K
E
Move
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1022,
Greenwood,
Street,
various
alterations
to
the
screen
porch
as
a
green
house.
Changes
to
windows
on
the
additions
of
new
windows
and
doors
and
skylights,
as
described
in
the
application
and
for
the
front
porch,
with
the
understanding
that
the
submitted
design
will
be
changed
to
include
retaining
the
existing
ionic
style
porch
columns
and
that
the
modifications
to
the
railing
will
maintain
the
approximate
same
height
as
the
existing
top
rail.
With
specifics
to
be
reviewed
for
further
with
Carlos.
G
A
G
E
M
W
W
W
The
difference
you'll,
you
may
note,
is
that
the
two
photographs
of
the
two
other
historic
homes,
those
are
not
all
black
modules,
so
the
lawn
d's
have
very
much
tried
to
keep
that
in
play.
The
other
thing
they
required
of
us
as
the
designer
of
the
solar
system
for
them
was
to
make
sure,
despite
the
fact
that
in
a
couple
places,
it
would
be
advantageous
to
have
more
solar
panels
in
the
front
of
the
house,
where
the
best
light
to
collect
the
most
sunlight
and
generate
the
most
economic
and
environmental
value
for
the
home.
W
They
thought
that
the
aesthetics
of
having
too
many
panels
in
the
front
of
the
house,
they
did
not
agree
with.
So
they
asked
us
to
move
some
of
the
modules
to
the
middle
and
to
the
back
as
opposed
to
the
most
advantageous
area.
So
they've
been
very
focused
on
trying
to
make
you
know
trying
to
merge
the
worlds
of
Historic
Preservation
on
the
one
hand,
and
you
know,
saving
the
planet
on
the
other,
I'm
absolutely
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have
I
personally
design.
W
A
W
Down
a
street
so
I
think
what
they
mean.
There
is
if
you're
standing
straight
in
front
of
the
house
like
in
front
of
the
front
door,
I,
don't
think
you
can
see
them.
What
to
your
point,
if
you're
walking
from
the
south
to
the
north
from
the
south
of
the
house,
yes,
you'll,
be
able
to
see
him
just
like
in
the
other
historic
homes
you
have
on
in
the
packet
they're
very
similar.
W
X
X
Unfortunately,
on
this
occasion
we
disagree
with
the
project.
We
feel
that
the
benefits
to
the
homeowners
and
even
the
city
are
not
commensurate
with
the
impact
it
has
on
the
views
of
the
house,
the
neighborhood
and
certainly
the
historic
value
of
the
property.
These
are
black
plastic
panels
on
top
of
a
red
roof,
and
that
is
an
almost
a
liner,
so
you
can
have
you
know
it's
very
visible
from
the
street.
It
is
certainly
you
know
very
prominent
to
us,
or
our
North
facing
windows
actually
have
the
rec
views
on
this
roof.
X
I
understand
that
it
is
not
your
area,
you
know
to
care
about
how
it
impacts
the
neighbors,
but
it
will
affect
the
value
of
power
on
home.
Our
main
stairs
are
you
know,
beautiful
wooden
stairs
with
bow
windows
that
look
to
this
roof
and
I
have
pictures.
If
you
want
to
see
them
and
looking
at
a
black
solar
panels,
it
will
affect
not
just
their
property
but
ours
as
well.
X
The
other
thing
to
consider
is
there
are
alternatives
to
solar.
In
fact,
there
are
solar
shingles.
There
are
solar
tiles.
There
are
ground
panels
as
well.
This
is
a
very
large
property.
It's
almost
12,000
square
feet
the
lot
itself,
so
it
could
accommodate
ground
panels
as
well,
and
today,
I
actually
had
a
conversation
with
comment.
There's
a
community
solar
plan
that
is
underway
with
a
form
that
will
concentrate
enough
solar
panels
for
a
large
community,
and
you
can
sign
up-
and
this
is
actually
happening
in
the
next
few
months.
X
X
I
also
took
photos
from
the
street
which
are
very
similar
to
the
ones
you
have
in
the
pocket
and
basically,
when
you
walk
down
the
street,
the
roofs
are
very
visible
from
the
street.
The
roof
is
bright,
red
and
the
solar
panels
are
black.
There's
another
issue
which
is
reflectivity,
even
though
manufacturers
say
that
you
know
they
are
designed
to
absorb
most
of
the
solar
energy.
There's
still
reflectivity
about
you
know
to
be
discussed.
X
Y
Reflectivity
will
get
worse,
it
didn't
think
about
your
head,
like
it.
That's
the
headlight
on
your
car
polycarbonate
as
it
breaks
down.
It
starts
to
capture
more
residue
whatever
it
is,
so
the
reflectivity
goes
up
signal
and
that's
gonna
happen
really
quickly.
It
might
not
happen
in
a
milder
climate,
but
when
you
talk
about
Evanston
winters
and
the
Four
Seasons,
they
don't
stand
up
terribly
well:
I
I'm
in
the
polymer
business
and
my
wife
yelled
at
me
for
trying
to
speak
up
for
that
guys.
Y
X
W
Here
is
that
the
Sun
is
gonna,
hit
the
panel's
and
then
reflect
the
LAT
back
to
this
particular
homeowners
house.
If
that's
the
theory,
then
the
the
angle
of
the
Sun
is
mostly
to
the
south
and
hitting
a
you
know.
Thirty
five
degree
angle
will
mostly
reflect
up
into
space,
so
the
the
the
angle
of
the
Sun
doesn't
really
reflect
back
where
it's
back
north
to
the
house,
but
this
issue
of
polycarbonate
I
mean
it's
tempered
glass.
So
it's
you
know
designed
to
survive.
W
35
years,
it's
a
25
year
product,
but
designed
to
last
you
know
3035
years.
So
it's
it's
not
synthetic.
It's
a
tempered
glass.
Any
other
questions
about
those
comments.
I
mean,
for
example,
you
know,
I'm
looking
from
the
road
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
a
question
mark
as
to
how
visible
it
is.
There
are
a
lot
of
trees
in
between
the
the
sidewalk
and
the
and
the
road,
for
example,
and
also
on
the
other
side
of
the
sidewalk,
a
lot
of
trees
around
in
that
whole
area.
W
In
there
there
are,
there
is
a
shingle
product
that
has
been
promised
by
really
only
one
manufacturer,
I
guess
I
guess,
there's
one
from
certainteed
and
there's
one
from
Tesla.
The
Tesla
product
is
on
the
order
of
eighty
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
it's
not
even
on
the
market.
Yet
that,
of
course,
is
not
a
removable
product.
You
know
you're
removing
the
decking
and
shingles
and
you're
replacing
them
with
permanent
product.
W
W
F
Think
the
difficulty
is
having
walked
over
there
and
walked
around
it
is
it?
Is
that
view
that's
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
on
that
piano?
It's
not
you!
You
see
it.
You
see
that
whole
rough,
it's
pretty
hard
to
hide
in
and
I
guess.
What
makes
it
difficult
here
is
the
fact
that
you've
got
these
black
panels
and
that
is
really
a
red
roof,
even
more
so
than
it
looks
in
these
photos.
You
can't
avoid
you
know
anything
you
put
on.
It
is
gonna,
be
fairly
obvious.
W
I
My
only
problem
too,
though,
is,
is
that,
based
on
reading
the
standards
they're
not
making
any
alterations
to
the
historic
structure,
it's
really
minimal.
So
when
you
read
the
standards,
I
mean
I,
Eliot
I'd
like
to
know
which
standard.
Then
you
know
I
it's
hard
to
do
that,
because
it's
an
architectural
feature
that
isn't
changing
the
historic
home.
M
I
F
U
I
W
Return
on
investment
in
this
project
is,
if
I
recall
about
five
or
six
years,
so
in
other
words,
after
five
or
six
years,
the
system
has
paid
for
itself.
I
mean
there's
not
a
lot
of
other
investments
in
the
home
like
that,
but
in
this
case
the
home,
you
know
the
current
homeowner,
a
future
homeowner.
You
know
in
that
sense
has
made
their
money
back
now.
They'd
realize
even
more,
you
know
benefit
to
keep
it,
but
you
know,
at
least
in
that
sense
they
have
to
take
it
down.
W
G
A
We
have
the
right
to
approve
the
addition
to
any
visible
physical
features.
It
isn't
a
matter
of
right
and
if
somebody
was
coming
in
here
was
something
that
was
I'm.
Sorry,
never
time.
If
someone
was
coming
in
with
a
something
that
wasn't
green
energy
I,
don't
think
we
would
hesitate
for
a
minute
to
say
that
you
know
we
could
approve
or
disapprove
based
on
appearance.
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
matter
of
having
a
right
to
I
mean
it's.
It
talks
about
the
materials
finishes,
I
mean
it
clearly
affects
the
historic
appearance.
A
I
E
Part
of
my
thinking
always
is
I
think
about
other
types
of
roof
related
changes
that
people
propose
and
obviously
we've
seen
a
lot
of
skylights
talked
about
today
and
I.
Think,
although
obviously
this
is
more
expansive
than
you
would
ever
do
as
a
skylight.
It's
in
some
ways,
it's
analogous
you're
changing
something,
that's
a
rough
material
into
a
more
reflective
piece
of
glass,
and
from
that
point
of
view
we
approve
all
kinds
of
skylights
and
all
kinds
of
orientations.
G
X
Understand
that
the
contractor
here
is
promoting
the
materials
that
he
can
provide,
but
it
is,
you
know
there
are
shingles
available
in
the
market
since
2017.
In
fact,
I
did
my
own
research
I,
do
appreciate
the
spirit
behind
the
project
of
generating
solar
energy
and
I'm
very
interested
in
in
those
materials
as
well
des
la
roofs
are
available
and
apparently
based
on
the
information
available
to
the
public
at
the
same
cost.
X
When
you
have
said
you
know
for
the
tax
incentives
as
other
types
of
roofing
and
the
other
thing
is
you
made
a
point
about
the
trees
and
how
they
protect
the
view
of
these
roofs
from
this
street?
There's
a
significant
difference
if
in
just
a
couple
of
months
away,
when
you
look
at
you
know
what
you
can
see,
we
are
the
ones
maintaining
those
trees.
X
So
we
are,
you
know
very
aware
of
you
know
how
foliage
changes
the
views
and
also
what
it
takes
to
maintain
them,
and
so
you
know
it's
very
different
once
you
look
at
these
photos
in
just
a
couple
of
months.
So
again
there
are
different.
Alternatives
is
not
going
against.
Solar
energy
is
looking
at
what
would
make
less
of
an
impact
from
a
historical
preservation
point
of
view.
Thank.
L
U
Me
too,
like
I,
might
I
just
took
my
family
by
this
house
a
couple
days
ago
because
they
have
all
like
native
grasses
in
the
front
yard,
and
it's
really
beautiful
and
it's
a
charming
house,
and
then
you
throwing
like
plastic
panels
on
top
of
it,
which
of
course
we
all
want
solar
energy
glass.
But
it's
gonna.
Like
really
you
know
it
would
be
great
if
they
kind
of
like
match
the
shingles,
like
maybe
blend
it
in,
but
they
don't
at
all.
A
A
We
should
more
heavily
scrutinized
modifications
to
the
most
visible
parts
of
the
house,
and
we
have
to
deal
with
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
In
terms
of
whether
the
you
know,
the
modifications
are
just
affect
the
adversely
affect
the
appearance
too
much
yeah
and
I
do
think.
We
should
keep
trying
to
approve
all
these
projects.
We
can
I
do.
L
C
F
That's
that's
the
issue
and
we
you
know
he
just
said
it
to
me:
we
have
no
purview
over
color.
This
is
one
of
those
where
you
know
hypothetically.
Would
we
be
having
this
discussion
if
it
was
a
black
roof
or
a
dark
brown
room
chances?
Are
there
wouldn't
be
this
conversation
because
everybody
would
have
said
it
won't
show
up
it's
it's
so
blatant.
F
F
B
I,
just
as
a
quick
question
to
the
applicant,
it's
possible
mr.
Jenner,
just
like
your
question:
do
you
think
there
might
be
an
alternative
to
remove
the
shingle
I
mean
the
panels
that
are
on
the
front
of
a
portion
and
maybe
relocate
in
areas
that
would
be
less
visible.
I
know
you
have
some
room
behind
the
gable
I
think.
W
There
were
maybe
two
more
module
locations
like
that
were
maybe
30
or
40
percent
less
productive.
In
the
very
back
of
the
house,
there
might
be
a
spot
on
a
west
facing
roof
where
we
could
fit
like
two
more
but
we'd,
be
losing
so
we'd
be
losing
at
least
two
modules,
how
many
modules,
but
we
would
we
would
it
might
jeopardize
the
project
to
making
it
neck
anomic.
In
other
words
and
the
homeowner
might
you
know
not
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
Let
me
see
it
was
I.
Guess.
S
W
W
A
A
F
E
A
F
M
M
F
B
There
were
some
format
that
needed
to
be
removed
in
order
to
get
the
same
font
and
what
I
have
to
do
now
is
create
the
links
there
are
part
of
the
standards
such
as
our
own
standards
for
review
links
to
the
Park
District.
So
we
will
be
doing
that
in
the
next
few
days,
so
that
my
hope
is
that
by
the
next
minute
it
would
be
ready
to
go
online.