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A
C
A
D
A
E
F
My
name
is
Makar
and
the
homeowner
of
835
Michigan
Avenue
as
a
follow-up.
From
last
time,
I
think
there
were
two
key
requests.
One
was
noted
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
which
was
to
see
pictures
of
the
other
facades
which
may
help
in
the
decision
making
process
and
then
subsequently,
after
this
meeting,
I
was
also
able
to
locate
after
the
last
meeting.
F
I
was
also
able
to
locate
an
old
photo
of
the
house,
which
I
believe
depicts
the
original
windows
which
I'll
also
also
walk
through,
but
those
are
the
two
two
key
key
items
from
last
meeting,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
use
the
pointer
and
don't
find
it
difficult
to
do.
The
top
left
photo
is
the
picture
I
was
able
to
locate
of
the
house.
It's
at
from
abouts
1955
I
believe
is
what
was
stated
on
the
back
of
the
card.
You
can
see
the
setup
in
the
front
of
the
house.
F
Has
the
two
double
hung
windows
with
the
transom
and
then
the
picture
in
the
middle
and
the
top
elevation,
and
then
the
bottom
elevation
has
the
two
double
hung
the
transom
and
then
what
looks
to
be
a
larger
double
hung.
I
believe
this
is
the
original
setup
just
based
on
the
design
of
the
double
hung
windows.
So
again
just
for
reference.
This
is
what
was
there
the
photo
on
the
right
top
right
and
again,
try
to
point
is
the
setup
that's
currently
in
the
house.
So
clearly
it's
changed.
F
So
that's
just
a
side-by-side
comparison,
so
you
can
get
a
sense
of
how
it's
changed.
You
can
see.
There
was
no
window
on
the
left
side
of
the
house
and
then
the
the
setup
is
I
would
say
somewhat
similar
on
the
bottom.
A
little
bit
larger,
but
both
openings
were
widened
and
the
top
attic
window,
for
whatever
reason
was,
was
narrowed.
The
wooden
shakes
on
the
house
still
remained,
but
outside
of
that
to
set
up
the
setup
has
changed
a
bit
and
then
the
rest
of
the
photos
which
I
won't
I
guess
walk
through
individually.
F
F
It
is
also
double
hung,
but,
having
seen
now,
this
older
photo
I'm
not
even
sure
that
that
window
in
the
bathroom
it's
definitely
old,
but
that
it's
the
original
to
the
house
but
again
most
of
the
windows
are
double
hung
and
the
other
point
I
will
make
is
the
the
two
photos
here
which
show
the
the
north
and
south
sides
of
the
house,
which
are
kind
of
tucked
in
between
my
neighbor's
houses,
which
are
which
are
very
tight.
That
setup
is
comparable.
F
It's
the
it
looks
to
me
to
be
very
comparable
to
the
setup
that
was
originally
on
the
front
of
the
house,
so
you
have
the
transom
with
the
two
double
hugs
in
the
picture
window,
so
I'll
stop
there.
The
request,
excuse
me
remains
the
same
from
last
time.
This
is
just
to
follow
up
with
the
supporting
information
that
was
that
was
unanswered
from
from
last
meeting.
A
F
B
H
A
G
I
think
what's
most,
this
is
an
excellent
photo
to
understand
the
history
of
the
house.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Research
and
I
think
the
the
key
thing
is
that
the
original
windows
were
not
divided
lights.
We
did
not.
There
are
no
muntins
in
any
of
the
sash
in
the
original,
so
I
would
wonder
if
you're
willing
and
the
new
windows
to
just
eliminate
the
muntin
grilles
completely
and
have
single
pane
or
single
light
sashes.
H
I,
don't
know
you
know,
I
just
want
to
respond
to
ken
I,
just
want
to
say
that
I,
because
the
opening
was
changed
in
scale
and
although
it's
just
really
different
from
that
original,
that
I
think
I
sort
of
tend
to
agree
that
the
the
muttons
in
terms
of
the
scale
help
to
you
know
when
you're
having
with
these
large
expanses
of
glass,
it's
so
different
from
that
original
image.
So
that's.
C
E
Move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
835
Michigan,
for
replacing
the
windows
on
the
east
front,
facade,
removing
the
existing
clad,
casements
and
replacing
them
with
double
hung
windows
with
simulated,
divided
lights
and
transoms.
Removing
the
picture
window,
replacing
that
with
a
picture
window
as
well
with
a
transom
above
second-floor,
removing
the
clad
windows
with
simulated,
divided
lights
and
replacing
them
with
double
hung.
Aluminum,
clad
windows
with
simulated
divided
lights,
and
there
will
be
some
hardy
cement
trim.
D
B
I
Hello,
Historical
Commission.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen.
I
am
the
owner
of
1330
Lake.
My
name
is
Chad
Rogers
and
I've
been
before
you
before.
Regarding
windows,
we're
back
now
for
exterior
siding.
It
seems
that
the
gift
keeps
on
giving
as
I
continued
on
this
project
and
down
this
merry
way.
I
Subsequently,
we
are
looking
as
an
overarching,
50,000
foot
view
we
are
looking
to.
Are
you
removed?
The
stuck
was
already
been
removed,
but
we're
looking
to
basically
put
back
on
cedar,
siding
and
I
want
to
read
something
real
fast.
This
is
from
the
historical
documents
regarding
the
house
itself
particularly
wants
you
to
identify
the
last
line
on
two
to
six.
It
starts
the
second
starts
to
act.
At
the
time
of
its
moved,
the
house
was
stuccoed
and
its
front.
Porch
was
enlarged,
although
it
was
later
removed.
I
I
I
see
a
lot
of
houses
in
Evanston
that
have
been
stuccoed
I
think
there
was
probably
a
potentially
really
great
sales
man
or
woman
and
the
stucco
industry
at
that
time,
but
they
took
some
great
collaborators
and
they
stuccoed
it
as
a
result
of
the
process
of
what
we
did
previously
receive
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
was.
Was
the
windows
that
we
added
in
order
to
do
the
windows
properly
with
stucco?
They
had
to
cut
about
two
feet
around
each
window.
I
So
that's
what
it
looked
like
previously,
and
this
is
what
it
looks
like
underneath
all
that
stucco.
So
what
happened
was
is
when
they
were
cutting
to
make
the
stucco
float.
The
stucco
started
falling
off,
it's
a
hundred
and
three-year-old
stucco,
and
it
did
a
quite
a
good
job
for
that
time.
But
I
think
it
was
definitely
time
for
it
to
come
off.
I
I
Some
of
the
wood,
particularly
under
the
porch
I,
didn't
get
a
good
picture
on
it
and
that
back
porch
the
woods
in
decent
condition,
but
generally
the
wood
in
itself
again
is
better
part
of
150
years
old
and
is
definitely
damaged
in
probably
greater
than
60,
maybe
70
percent
around
the
home.
So
what
I
am
requesting
is
basically
that's.
I
What
we're
looking
for
is
to
be
to
bring
it
back
to
its
original
historical
roots
by
adding
four
and
a
half
inch
reveal
no,
not
cedar
siding
with
all
the
various
accoutrements
for
the
details
that
accompany
the
previous
home,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
pictures.
So
this
is
what
some
of
the
window
details
will
look
like
matching.
What
was
there
prior
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
so
the
same
width,
depth
and
height
as
previously
was
there?
I
I
They
only
had
pictures
of
when
it
was
stuccoed
which
you
we
already
basically
provided
the
exact
same
picture,
and
so
these
corners
will
be
built
out
and
they'll
be
kept
and
the
cedar,
no
not
cedar,
will
be
used
to
make
sure
that
those
details
remain
keeping
some
of
that
historical
nature,
at
least
from
1916
era
when
they
potentially
put
on
the
sucker.
This
is
what
it
will
look
like.
It
doesn't
have
the
trim
around
the
windows,
but
it
will
look
something
to
the
effect.
I
I
One
of
the
aspects
of,
of
course,
taking
off
this
stucco
revealed
quite
a
few
issues
with
the
underlayment
and
lack
thereof
of
waterproofing,
which
one
would
assume
wouldn't
be
relevant
at
that
time
in
that
time
period.
So
we
are
course
asking
whether
we
do
stucco
or
cedar
depending
on
the
approval
of
the
coast.
Oracle
commissioned
the
woods
got
to
come
off
and
the
house
needs
to
be
waterproofed
with
Tyvek
waterproofing,
which
is
part
of
the
aridity
from
buz
home
pros.
Who
will
be
doing
the
work
as
it
stands
right
now.
I
The
Commission
requires
me
to
do.
Stucco
I'll
be
going
with
heritage
and
they'll
be
doing
the
Heritage
exterior
they'll
be
doing
the
stucco
I
would
prefer
and
request
that
the
Historical
Commission
would
approve
the
ability
to
put
up
the
cedar,
siding
with
the
four
and
a
half
inch
reveal,
which
would
have
matched
the
home
in
its
night,
nor
1866
original
form
before
the
1916
facial
transition.
I
So,
just
to
recap,
real
quick
home
build
1866
moved
in
1916,
they
stuccoed.
Originally,
it
was
cedar
or
clobbered.
I
am
requesting
to
be
able
to
put
cedar
siding
four
and
a
half
inch
reveal
which
we
were
matched.
What
was
under
the
stucco
and
asking
the
Commission
to
allow
me
to
tie
back
as
soon
as
possible
to
prevent
water
intrusion
into
the
home.
A
Okay,
whatever
seat,
please
is
there
anybody
from
the
audience
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
matter?
No
any
discussion.
D
Move
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1330,
Lake
Street
for
the
removal
of
the
stucco
finish
and
exposed
wood,
siding
on
all
exterior
walls
and
replacement
with
a
no,
not
cedar,
siding
to
match
the
original
siding
from
1866
I
believe
seven
applicable
standards
include
alteration
one
through
seven.
Second,.
A
C
J
J
This
is
a
landmark
property.
It
is
not
in
a
landmark
district.
We
are
proposing
effectively
an
exterior
restoration
of
this
house.
We
have
surveyed
all
the
windows
in
the
house
and
have
determined
that
hey,
let's
see,
Karlis
you
have
a
new,
cleaner
we've
determined
that
all
the
windows
on
the
first
floor
on
the
front
are
our
solid
candidates
for
full
restoration.
We've
engaged
TMC
windows
will
be
reconstructing
those
windows,
the
windows
on
the
upper
floor,
we're
proposing
to
replace
with
Pella
Architects
series
landmark
windows.
J
The
other
work
we're
proposing
on
the
first
floor
is
to
replace
these
existing
attic
dormer
windows,
which
have
been
taken
apart
and
replaced
with
louvers
we're
replacing
those
also
with
fellow
architects
series
windows
and
for
the
front
facade
we're
removing
this.
This
picture
window,
which
was
added
and
then
blocked
up
from
behind,
to
create
a
closet.
So
it's
not
a
window,
but
it's
a
piece
of
glass
on
the
exterior.
J
This
is
the
west
facing
facade.
You
can
see
the
areas
where
we've
identified
the
failed
stucco.
You
can
see
that
it's
bulged
and
cracked
so
we'll
be
pulling
that
off
and
restoring
the
stucco
in
that
area
as
well.
These
windows
in
the
front
porch
also
fully
restored.
This
will
be
an
architect
series
window.
All
of
the
windows
in
this
Bay
are
monumental
windows
they're
oversized.
So
we
are
going
to
fully
restore
those
windows
in
the
bay.
J
These
are
existing
windows
that
were
replaced
by
the
previous
owner.
Those
are
clad.
Marvin
windows
we've
chosen
to
go
with
an
architect
series
from
Pella,
because
that
particular
series
of
Marvin
has
been
data,
there's
still
serviceable,
but
we're
not
going
to
replace
them
at
this
time.
A
notable
change
for
that
elevation
from
the
rear
of
the
house.
Again,
we've
identified
the
significant
duration
in
the
stucco.
All
of
the
stuck
on
the
house
is
going
to
be
repaired,
restored
and
recoated.
J
J
On
the
east
facing
facade,
these
windows
are
vinyl
windows,
and
these
are
vinyl
windows.
All
those
will
be
removed
and
replace
with
architects
series
Pella
windows.
These
will
be
removed
and
replaced
with
architects
series
windows,
and
this
window
also
will
be
removed.
It
is
in
the
back
of
a
closet,
also
boarded
up.
So
when
we
do
the
stucco
restoration,
we
will
infill
that
window
and
recode
that
with
stucco
we've
included
a
series
of
photographs
and
your
packet
are
on
your
on
your
tablets.
You'll
be
able
to
see
that
there
is.
J
There
is
some
damage
to
the
to
the
cornice
work
and
the
and
the
scallop
shingles,
all
that
will
be
repaired
and
restored
in
kind.
There
are
several
window
sills
that
are
rotten.
Those
will
be
repaired,
we're
sorting
kind.
We
won't
be
removing
any
trim
unless
it's
rotten
it'll
all
be
replaced
in
kind
as
it
is.
J
E
E
J
A
E
Move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
834
Madison
for
the
repair
and
refinishing.
The
existing
stucco
finishes
as
been
designated
on
the
drawings
and
for
replacing
selected
wood
windows
with
Pella,
traditional
architectural,
clad
windows
and
certain
vinyl
windows,
again
being
replaced
with
Pella
architectural
series,
windows
and
I
believe
there
are
a
few
other
windows
to
be
restored
and
and
fitted,
and
also
basement
windows
to
be
replaced
with
clad,
awning
windows
and
mutton.
Pan
pan
or
patterns
are
proposed
on
the
new
windows
to
match
the
existing.
A
L
L
That's
the
front
which
is
very
lovely
and
I
included
it,
because
I
had
fun
drawing
that
we
are
not
proposing
any
change
to
the
front
of
those
everything
we're
doing
is
on
the
rear.
This
is
the
existing
back
of
the
house.
It
is
a
combination
of
brick
and
stucco
with
the
garage
attached
at
the
rear,
so
the
driveway
comes
from
the
alley
through
the
yard
to
the
back
of
the
house.
If
you
I
can
go
back
to
the
flat,
so
the
alley
is
at
the
top.
L
L
L
The
current
garage
is
attached,
but
you
can't
get
to
the
inside
of
the
house
from
the
attached
garage.
So
part
of
what
we'll
be
doing
is
allowing
a
mud
room
and
a
powder
room
to
occupy
some
of
the
existing
garage
space,
extend
the
garage
farther
towards
the
alley
and
have
a
better
entry
for
the
family.
They
have
active
kids
into
sports
and
could
use
the
space
there.
L
So
on
the
back
of
the
house,
the
first
floor
portion
is
generally
brick
and
the
second
floor
portion
is
all
stucco
if
it
would
help
to
get
to
a
photograph.
First,
maybe
there's
my
crease.
So
that's
the
this
is
the
existing
back
of
the
house
with
showing
the
garage
from
the
alley.
That's
brick
and
then
the
second
floor
is
all
stucco.
L
L
L
So
from
the
side,
this
house
has
a
lot
of
different
detail:
there's
brick
there
stucco,
there's
wood.
The
front
windows
are
steel
originals,
we
think
from
the
1920s
when
this
house
was
built
most
of
the
windows
on
the
rear.
Some
are
double
hung
summer
casements,
so
just
have
tried
to
fit
them
to
the
rooms
that
they're
going
with.
That's
that's
the
existing
west
side,
and
that
would
be
the
proposed
west
side
showing
the
garage
extension
going
farther.
But
nothing
else
about
with
that
side
is
changing.
A
L
So
this
gabled-
and
here
is
new.
All
of
this
down
here
is
new,
and
then
this
gable
end
is
new.
This
hip
roof
here
is
new
to
incorporate
the
roof.
That's
currently
over
this
portion
of
the
house,
and
then
this
garage
is
extended
farther
out
from
the
current
garage.
So
a
lot
of
the
back
is
extended
out.
The
portion
that
extends
the
farthest
is
the
garage.
Then
this
portion,
which
is
the
kitchen
this
portion,
is
the
family
room.
Upstairs
it's
one
additional
bedroom
and
this
is
a
master
bath.
L
L
The
West,
the
only
thing
on
the
West
is
that
additional
garage
and
then
that
changes
in
the
roof
lines,
so
nothing
of
the
addition
would
be
be
able
to
you
would
not
be
able
to
see
any
of
it
from
the
front.
The
bulk
of
it
is
from
the
alley
we're
proposing
to
use
Marvin
windows,
as
I
said,
there's
sort
of
a
mixed
type
of
window
on
this
house
already,
so
we're
going
with
casements
and
double
Hung's,
where
those
seem
appropriate
for
the
use
of
the
space.
L
A
H
This
is
a
pretty
complicated
addition
and
I
cannot
understand
it
exactly
or
to
be
able
to
evaluate
it.
Just
with
the
elevation
drawings
and
just
your
sort
of
partial
3d
drawing
which
doesn't
really
show
the
whole
assembly.
I
definitely
think
plans
would
help
us
so
I
know.
Sometimes
we
get
those
but
I
just
it
is
just
you
know,
it's
just
pretty
complicated
and
it
is
a
landmark
and
so
I
think
that
we
I
think
I
would
need
additional
information,
a
3d
rendering
of
the
whole.
H
E
C
C
B
L
Basically,
the
argument
for
the
variance
is
that
this
house
just
set
so
far
back
on
the
lot
that
it
has
a
larger
front
yard
than
any
other
house
on
the
block
and
that,
if
it
were
even
set
at
the
average
of
this
variance
wouldn't
be
needed
to
extend
the
garage
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
the
garage
is
right.
Now
the
house
has
a
small
entry
porch
off
the
back.
H
I
have
a
question
so
in
terms
of
the
variance
issue,
and
this
is
for
Carlos-
this
is
just
would
be.
We
would
be
looking
at
that
and
it
would
just
be
its
recommendation
recommendation.
So
one
of
the
things
about
that
for
for
us
to
make
that
recommendation
as
well
as
in
terms
of
what
you
just
said
about
the
other
adjacent
properties
and
where
their
facades
are.
That
would
be
helpful
to
understand
that
you
know
I
think
the
eye
well
I'm.
H
First
of
all,
I'm
sorry
that
at
what
that
wasn't
clear
and
I
do
think
this
is
recent
that
we
are
not
getting
plans
and
so
I'm.
Sorry,
if
that
wasn't
clear,
because
it
would
have
helped
us,
but
then
the
other
information
I
think
you
could
just
help
your
case.
If
you
had.
You
know
if
you're
looking
at
us
to
make
a
recommendation
on
Zoning
but
I
think
we
really
do
need
to
see
why
there's
a
hardship
involved
right
again.
H
C
A
M
Name
is
nancy
smith.
I
live
across
the
alley
behind
the
house,
I'm
at
27
24
harrison
and
my
concerns
are
not
with
the
appearance
of
what
they're
proposing
it's
that
it's
with
drainage
that
as
they
said,
that
house
is
set
very
far
back
from
lincoln,
so
that
it's
very
close
to
the
alley.
The
alley
between
our
houses
has
a
long
time
series
putting
flooding
problem
that
it's
a
paved
alley
that
is
lowest
in
the
the
center
section
between
our
houses.
M
So
it's
often
ankle-deep
in
water,
and
it
has
no
drainage
spoken
with
city
officials
about
this
a
number
of
occasions.
But
the
point
is
that
the
significant
amount
of
impermeable
surface
that
they
are
proposing
to
add
to
the
back
of
the
house.
I
know
in
terms
of
total
size
of
a
lot
that
they
may
meet
the
requirements,
but
the
area
that
drains
from
the
house
to
the
alley
is
actually
not
very
large.
M
They
want
to
add
a
tremendous
amount
of
impermeable
space
I
believe
the
plans
also
call
for
a
terrace
in
addition
to
the
additions
in
the
rear.
This
will
exacerbate
the
current
flooding
problem
in
the
alley.
Just
by
adding
the
impermeable
surface
and
also
as
I
think,
everyone
who's
lived
next
to
an
addition.
C
H
One
of
the
things
I
that
to
get
a
permit,
you
have
to
have
a
civil
drawing,
and
so
especially
if
this
fair,
I,
so
I
I,
don't
actually
know
which
comes
first,
but
the
civil
in
terms
of
what
you're
saying
must
be
done
to
you
know:
I
mean
yes
more.
If
this
is
an
issue
and
I
just
think,
that's
always
part
of
the
permit
and
I.
So
I
don't
know
Carlos.
If
you
know
if
the
civil
drawings
go
with
getting
the
variance
where
they
just
go
with
getting
the
permit.
Typically.
B
H
H
H
M
Time,
flooding
problem
in
the
alley
behind
this
house,
you
know
a
number
of
houses.
Those
of
us
are
sort
of
to
send
him
running
the
block
and
I
I
can't
see
this
project
would
do
anything
that
other
than
to
make
it
worse.
I
don't
have
issues
with
the
design,
but
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
drainage
is.
A
B
You
could,
if
you
wish,
call
3-1-1
and
either
make
an
appointment
or
ask
for
the
city
engineer
to
express
your
concerns,
which
will
be
reflected
in
the
minutes
here,
but
eventually
it
will
get
to
the
city
engineer
with
the
permit
drawings
that
will
have
to
show
that
the
drainage
is
properly
handled.
I
should.
C
M
M
K
N
K
Jeff
Smith
27:24
Harrison
here
to
support
my
wife
and
I,
which
I
recommend
everybody
do
and
I
want
to
start
by
saying
that
this
is
indeed
a
beautiful
house,
you're
fortunate
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
on
it.
Our
our
son
is
an
architect
and
have
the
greatest
respect
for
the
for
the
profession.
In
fact,
the
curved
walk
on
this
property
in
the
front
was
one
of
the
inspirations
for
my
putting
in
a
curb
blocking
in
my
own
property,
I
would
like
to
bring
a
couple
items
to
the
architects
and
the
Commission's
attention.
K
I'm
sure
that
the
Commission
doesn't
will
will
follow
the
standards
and
apply
the
standards.
I'm
also
I
have
a
high
degree
of
confidence
just
based
on
what
I've
seen
already
that
it
dill
it'll
be
a
beautiful
work
in
the
back.
However,
it's
not
a
house,
that's
only
visible
to
the
public
from
the
Ali.
K
As
you
can
see,
just
looking
what
we
see
from
our
relatively
modest,
though
90
year
old
house,
built
with
the
same
stucco
that
was
slathered
on
everything
back
then
is
largely
this
house
and
the
one
to
the
east
of
it
on
Lincoln,
and
this
is
during
the
summer
with
the
trees.
Obviously,
there's
more
so
there's
a
fair
amount
of
mass
that
already
exists
on
the
lot,
because
it
is
set
so
far
back
from
the
street,
which
provides
a
beautiful
Boulevard
on
Lincoln
Avenue.
K
Momenta
vut
e
that
moving
moving
the
walls,
20
10
20
feet
closer
to
our
house,
puts
it
that
much
closer
to
our
yard
and
to
our
to
our
bedroom
in
front
from
the
ground
and
I.
Don't
have
a
ground-level
picture.
Looking
up,
we
would
never
see
and
nobody
walking
down
the
alley
is
going
to
see
the
lowest
level.
K
In
fact,
it's
designed
the
it
now
functions,
the
opposite
of
what
an
ally
should
be.
It
is
pitched
in
the
middle
so
that
water
does
not
leave
until
it
eventually
soaks
into
the
ground.
It's
not
a
sewer.
It's
not
Seward
on
this
end,
they
Seward
the
east
end
of
it
when
the
so
called
man
cave
house
was.
Was
it
was
a
redone
there?
K
I
guess
TV
will
get
you
that,
but
we've
never
had
a
TV
special
for
our
house,
so
water
sits
and
sits,
and
except
the
part
of
course,
that
flows
into
our
backyard
and
the
strikers,
which
I
can
I
don't
over
their
fence,
but
I
can
see
underneath
their
fence
and
it
is
a
lake
during
moderate,
moderate
rainstorms
because
of
all
the
runoff
from
all
the
existing
houses.
I
would
suggest
that's
the
the
impervious
surface
rules
and
I'll
submit
this.
K
K
I
think
that
having
the
garage
being
an
attached
garage
required
to
be
so
far
back
from
the
alley
is
an
archaic
rule
that
predates
the
establishment
of
the
impervious
surface
lot
requirements
and
it
effectively
substituted
it
for
that
before
we
had
the
percentages
that
we
now
have
and
in
fact
having
some
garages
closer
to
the
alley
would
avoid
having
big
flat
driveways.
Although
the
kids
may
want
to
shoot
hoops,
I
know
they
I
know
they
do
over
there.
K
So
I
I'm
not
objecting
to
that.
But
I
would
ask,
because
this
Commission
and
I
know
this
is
not
the
place
to
get
into
engineering,
but
because
the
this
commission
has
some
leverage
in
the
discussions
with
the
owners.
You
will
note
in
the
first
picture
that
I
gave
you
that
you
can
see
there's
a
light
on
the
garage.
That's
already
visible
from
my
bedroom
window,
even
at
the
current
distance
lights
that
are
on
in
the
attic
shine
like
a
spotlight.
K
For
some
reason,
there
was
one
that
was
on
for
a
couple
days
earlier
this
spring,
not
sure
why
so
there's
you
know
you
just
have
to
have
to
turn
down,
and
you
know
completely
close
your
blinds
at
night.
There's
this
trend
in
Evanston,
where
people
want
to
light
up
their
yards
like
the
parking
lot
of
a
Kmart,
and
they
shine
spotlights
up
into
trees.
For
god
knows
what
reason
they
don't
like,
owls
or
bats,
or
something
but
there's
too
much
lighting
as
it
is.
K
So
if
the
this
is
a
permitted
to
come
forward,
the
whole
thing
I
would
ask
both
the
architect
and
the
the
owners
and
and
the
Commission
to
display
some
sensitivity
towards
those
who
live
behind
the
houses
and,
and
you
know,
get
get
get
the
light,
spillover,
etc,
but
because
of
the
trees
and
because
of
the
fence,
the
the
modifications
to
the
it's.
It's
not
going
to
change
the
value
of
my
house
or
the
or
my
sense
that
I
live
in
an
historic
district
tonight.
K
I
enjoy
living
near
the
great
semi
mansions
of
Lincoln
Street,
even
if,
even
if
I
don't
even
if
I
don't
live
in
one
there,
there
they're
really
some
some
works
of
art
there,
so
that
that's
that's
basically
at
I
know.
This
is
not
the
place
to
argue
about
drainage
and
impervious
surface,
but
I
do
want
to
bring
to
the
Commission's
attention
that
the
city
of
I
mean
historically
has
not
enforced.
What
has
been
on
the
books?
K
Undoubtedly
when
we
have
to
change
our
garage
or
raise
our
yard
as
a
the
last,
the
last
man
standing
on
the
block
that
hasn't
done.
So
at
that
point
the
city
will
say:
well,
no,
you
can't
add
fill
and
you
have
to
put
in
some
I
hope
it
won't
come
to
that,
but
that
that's
that's
where
we're
at
those
are.
Those
are
our
comments.
K
H
I
have
a
question
okay,
so
this
is
for
the
Carlos
and
the
Commission.
So
since
I
know
that
we've
asked
for
more
information
on
exactly
what
is
going
to
be
built
and
what
its
gonna
look
like
and
to
clarify
that
through
drawings,
but
in
terms
of
a
recommendation
for
the
variance.
If
there
is
not
a
if
there
is
not
a
recommendation
for
a
variance,
then
how
are
we
evaluating
the
rest
of
it?
H
B
E
H
So
I
still
have
this
issue,
because
I
do
think
that
this
this
civil
water
problem,
civil
engineering,
water,
probably
may
be
a
problem
and
because,
in
what
we,
what
I'm,
just
looking
at
on
the
blue
form,
there's
standard
see
it
will
not
be
material
or
detrimental
to
the
public,
health,
safety
and
welfare
injuries
to
property
in
the
district
or
vicinity.
So
if
this
seems
to
be
an
issue,
how
are
we
to
evaluate
that
without
further
information
on
potential
civil
work?
I.
H
The
recommendation
it
might
to
understand
that
we
make
them
recommendation
based
on
these
standards,
so
correct
just
for
future.
If
that
is
something
that
we're
already
hearing,
there's
some
issues
of
problems
with
drainage.
If
we
don't
actually
have
the
information
to
try
to
you
know,
even
though
that's
not
in
our
purview,
we
can.
It
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
we
can
make
a
recommendation
without
that
information
on
the
variation,
so
I'm
asking
I'm
looking
ahead
at
saying,
like
this
is
seems
to
be
a
complicated
issue.
E
H
B
Say
that
see
thing
is
addressing
some
of
the
concerns
that
mr.
Smith
had
brought
up
about
flooding
that
is
being
caused
by
the
rains,
but
what
I
know
and
I'm
just
what
I
heard
from
the
city
engineer
that,
where
they
tried
to
do,
is
that
the
drainage
should
not
go
to
the
neighbor
or
the
water
should
not
go
to
the
neighbor.
That's
what
they're
trying
to
address.
B
But
if
it's
going
to
the
ally,
that's
not
the
neighbor,
so
that
it's
about
more
complicated
in
my
mind,
if
honey
doesn't
have
proper
drainage,
is
really
beyond
the
Commission's
purview.
To
even
comment
on
that,
so
I
think
seed
will
address
the
issue
of
you
know
if
they
have
evidence
showing
that
Ally
is
being
flooded
or
if
you
have
photos
of
your
property
being
flooded.
That
would
be
even
more
appropriate
in
my
body.
That
is
gonna,
be
detrimental
to
the
neighbor
in
some
way.
Yeah.
O
E
K
E
Victims
as
much
as
you,
so
you
know,
I
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
of
what
they're
proposing
other
than
they
are
adding
would
seem
to
be
something
terrible.
Impermeable
surfaces,
their
driveway
half
their
driveway
will
disappear
with
the
garage.
So
I
think
that
that
part
isn't
as
much
an
issue
as
possibly
some
of
the
other
construction.
But
you
know
I'm
I'm,
luckier
than
you,
because
we
didn't
get
our
alley
paved
till
about
10
years
ago
and
by
then
they
were
much
smarter
by
the
way
they
all
taper
towards
the
center.
E
C
K
Shape
of
the
shape
of
the
ally
is
is
like
this:
it
hit
it
slopes
towards
Bennett
Street
on
one
end,
it
slopes
towards
Ewing
Street
on
the
other
end,
but
in
the
very
middle
affecting
about
four
houses,
it's
got
a
swale
and
though
the
water,
the
alleys,
were
built
higher.
Well,
let's
go
back
before
before
automobiles.
The
alleys
were
built
lower
than
than
the
houses
to
some
degree.
K
It
really
won't
change
that
much
except
for
you
know
the
terrorists
and
how
much
of
the
houses
mix
stuck
out.
But
if
that
yard
gets
raised
six
to
twelve
inches
as
we've
seen
the
practice
on
this
block,
then
the
equivalent
of
several
swimming
pools
full
of
water
will
now
have
nowhere
to
go,
but
into
the
alley
where
it
cannot
go
to
Bennett
or
Ewing
and
therefore
goes
into
our
yard
and
I
could
bring
you
100
a
hundred
pictures
of
a
yard
that
you
can
canoe
in.
A
You
Julia
I
think
to
try
to
answer
your
question.
These
these
standards
are
quote
from
the
entire
special
you.
These
are
the
standards
for
special
use
in
the
zoning
code.
These
aren't
the
preservation,
ordinance
standards
and
then
the
presentation
ordinance,
it's
not
specific,
but
it
just
says
we'll
make
recommendations
with
respect
to
these
standards,
which
I
think
certainly
infers
from
a
preservation
point
of
view
related.
The
preservation
center
is
not
that
we're
supposed
to
duplicate
the
entire
decision-making
process
of
under
the
zoning
code,
which
I'm
sure
we're
not
supposed
to
do
so.
It's
not
it's.
H
You
know
we
have
had
projects
before
us
where
there
were
zoning,
I
and
I.
Remember
one
specific
project.
There
were
zoning
issues
about
it.
We
were
supposed
to
make
a
recommendation.
We
did
not
feel
that
we
could
make
the
recommendation
for
the
zoning
and
it
tied
into
the
addition.
There
was
being
you
know
that
was
part
of
the
discussion
and
I.
H
A
That's
fine
I'm,
not
it's
not
I'm.
Just
saying
that,
in
terms
of
our
decision
making
I
mean
we
should
make
both
decisions
at
once,
the
alterations
under
zoning,
but
the
what
are
our
job.
You
know
our
powers
to
review
zoning
are
to
review
it
from
a
preservation
perspective.
Not
again,
these
standards
are
all
the
standards
from
the
zoning
code.
These
are
not
from
the
preservation
code,
we're
not
responsible
for
all
these
things.
A
P
A
Although
I
think
everybody
would
like
to
see
the
totality
the
project
see
why
you
know
the
floor,
plans
will
show
why
the
project
needs
to
be
expanded
and
then
I'm
sure
the
architect
is
gonna.
Try
to
a
you
know
address
in
a
presentation
the
next
time.
Some
of
the
objections
have
been
raised
as
best
as
can
be
done
so.
E
Okay,
only
thing
that
we
could
look
at
is
because
it's
that
one
area
of
the
yard,
beyond,
where
you're
adding
that's
gonna,
be
affected
and
whether
any
of
that
even
gets
regraded.
If,
theoretically,
it
remains
at
the
same
grade
that
it
is
now,
then
there's
nothing.
That's
really
changing
it
in
terms
of
the
alley,
so
I
think
I
think
we're
going
way
beyond
where
we
should,
because
I,
don't
think
I
mean
I'm.
Sorry,
but
I
I'm,
not
convinced
that
the
alley
issue
is
is
even
I'm,
not
even
sure.
That's
gonna
come
up
in
zoning.
E
Ironically,
I
think
it's
an
engineering
issue,
a
street
flooding
issue,
an
alder
Manek
issue,
I'll,
throw
everybody
under
the
bus
at
one
time
right
now,
and
and
not
necessarily
one
that's
ours
or
even
zonings,
because
I'm
not
sure
zoning
addresses
what's
happening
in
the
alley.
Unless
you
could
show
that
it's
really
going
to
affect
the
alley
and
and
the
neighbors
okay.
A
Well,
I
think
you
know,
as
always,
the
applicant
can
listen
to,
you
know,
should
listen
to
their
neighbors
and
to
the
extent
there
are
things
that
even
even
though
I
agree
with
Eliot,
it's
not
our
purview
even
to
the
extent
there's
can
be
some
sensitivity
at
every
stage.
I'm
sure
it
helps
make
the
approval
easier
to
do
that.
So
whatever
can
you.
J
C
E
E
A
Q
Q
Q
We
live
in
a
great
big
house
that
we
sort
of
rattle
around
and
we've
been
looking
to
find
a
good
opportunity
to
downsize
and,
of
course,
one
of
the
because
we
live
just
north
of
downtown
on
Sherman
location
is
really
key
for
us,
I
mean
really
love
being
able
to
walk
everywhere.
So
we've
been
looking
for
a
property
that
is
walkable
too
many
things
in
Evanston
and
and
certainly
1224
Oak
fits
that
bill.
We
sort
of
got
interested
in
the
project
and
then
the
conversation
changed
a
little
bit
more.
Q
We
got
very
interested
in
the
project
when
our
daughter
and
her
husband
parents
of
our
twin
grandchildren,
who
are
homeowners
in
Evanston
and
who
my
daughter's
a
small
business
owner,
decided
they'd
like
to
enter
the
project
with
us
and
occupy
one
of
the
units.
So
we're
gonna
build
this
more
or
less
like
two
condos,
although
they
won't
be
conned
out
and
will
live
in
one
unit
and
our
our
family
will
live
in
the
other
which
is
kind
of
old
school
and
we
think
kind
of
cool.
Q
Something
we're
all
very
much
looking
forward
to
to
get
sheave
that
now,
there's
some
things
we
need
and
I
won't
I'm
not
going
to
take
you
through
a
lengthy
recitation
of
what's
already
in
the
packet.
But
we
need
to
add
a
garage
with
the
rooftop
screen,
porch
and
open
deck,
and
that
would
be
to
leave
outdoor
space
for
the
upstairs
unit.
Q
Q
We
want
to
raise
the
roof,
a
small
amount
and
increase
the
size
of
the
dormers
to
create
some
overflow
bed
bedroom
space
for
us,
for
when
other
family
members
come
and
then,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
renovation.
Well,
pretty
much
complete
renovation
inside
and
some
outside.
That
needs
to
be
done,
which
will
include
a
lot
of
the
some
of
the
windows.
A
lot
of
the
windows,
so
we
need
to
you
know,
fix
all
that.
It's
not
very
good
repair,
so
you
know
clearly
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
us,
we're
very
sensitive.
Q
We
live
in
a
historic
district.
Now
we
have
for
37
years.
We
get
it.
We
understand
and
and
we're
trying
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
does
as
little
this
disrupt
the
the
architectural
look
of
the
place
as
we
can,
and
we
think
that
the
neighborhood
and
the
community
benefit
from
these
improvements
in
a
number
of
ways.
Q
First,
what
we
have
here
is
a
slowly
deteriorating
non-owner
occupied
to
flat,
and
frankly,
you
know
based
on
the
economics
of
it,
if
it,
if
we,
if
a
family
doesn't
buy
this
or
someone
to
do
a
complete
renovation.
It's
gonna,
it's
the
highest
and
best
use
is
as
a
non
owner-occupied
to
flat
the
way
it
is,
and
so
I
think
it's
pretty
obvious
that
that
deterioration
will
slowly
continue
and
no
one
benefits
from
that.
Q
So
we
think
that
we're
gonna.
We
know
that
this
is
going
to
benefit
the
the
neighborhood
by
improving
the
outside
appearance
of
the
building.
Restoring
it
to
you
know.
First
class
building
provide
off
street
parking
on
a
block,
that's
already
really
crowded.
When,
especially
when
there's
events
going
on
at
Larimer
park,
it's
impossible,
I
mean
I've,
been
there.
You
know
middle
of
the
day
to
go
to
the
building
and
there's
nowhere
to
park,
so
it
you
know,
take
and
provide
the
parking.
Q
That's
actually
required
four
to
two
flats
and
the
view
from
the
rear
of
the
building
where
the
garage
is
gonna
go
will
be
greatly
improved
right
now,
there's
a
Genki
looking
deck
back
there
there's
a
patio
for
the
first
floor,
that's
covered
about
three
covered
quarters
of
it
is
covered
by
the
upstairs
deck
and
then
there's
a
six
foot
stockade
fence.
That
is
actually
in
the
alley
about
a
so.
You
know
it's
not
a
good
look.
Q
There's
a
gravel
parking
space
for
one
car:
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
really
look
well,
we
think
we
clean
this
up
put
on
a
nice
nice
garage,
nice
upstairs
deck,
it's
going
to
be
in
greatly
enhance
the
beauty
of
it
from
the
alley
side
and
from
the
front
side.
Really
it's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
notice,
much
difference
at
all,
except
that
everything
will
be
restored,
new
new
windows
and
the
rest.
So
that's
what
we
that's,
what
we
intended
to
do
again,
we're
trying
to
be
very
sensitive
to
the
historic
preservation
standards.
L
Probably
know
how
to
work
this
thing
better
now,
so
that
is
the
way
it
looks
right
now,
even
though
it
is
a
too
flat.
We
believe
it
was
originally
built
as
a
too
flat.
It
has
the
look,
it's
not
doesn't
have
a
flat
roof.
It
looks
more
like
a
single-family
home
there's
the
unit
on
the
first
floor
and
a
unit
on
the
second
floor.
R
L
Norine
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
this
packet,
but
so
it
is,
there
are
quite
a
few
variances
being
asked
for
for
this
project,
but
the
bulk
of
them
relate
to
the
garage
which
is
the
alley
is
to
the
left-hand
side
of
this.
This
is
the
alley
here.
All
of
this
is
new.
We're
proposing
this
new
garage
for
three
cars,
which
is
the
zoning
request,
are
the
the
code
calls
for
three
parking
spaces
for
a
two
flat
unit
or
two
two
units?
L
This
is
the
existing
building
which
we're
proposing
to
raise
the
roof
slightly
and
add
these
dormers
to
enlarge
the
dormers
that
are
the
smaller
doors
that
are
there
now
to
allow
the
extra
space
for
both
units.
So
both
units
would
be
two
storey
units.
The
first
floor
would
be
taking
the
basement
space
as
well,
which
is
not
a
subject
of
any
variance
or
preservation
request.
L
L
This
portion
of
the
portion
when
I
get
to
the
side,
there's
a
babe,
a
turret
sort
of
thing.
On
the
south
side,
that's
not
won't
be
changed
height,
wise,
the
lower
portion
of
the
roof
you
can
see
from
here
in
order
to
preserve
the
overhang
and
there's
rafter
tails
behind
the
gutters
and
we'd
like
to
save
that,
as
opposed
to
replicating
it.
L
L
This
dotted
line
here
represents
where
the
roof
is
now,
so
it's
going
up
to
the
35
foot
limit
in
order
to
gain
that
Headroom
for
these
bedrooms
upstairs
and
then
all
of
the
the
windows
on
this
side,
the
windows
are
all
would
be
replaced
in
the
same
location,
same
size.
The
first-floor
windows
have
no
muttons
the
second-floor
windows.
Have
these
really
interesting
sort
of
sixteen
square
montón
patterns?
L
L
They've
been
they
were
in
filled
at
some
point
in
the
who
knows:
60
70s,
with
these
smaller
windows,
and
this
this
siding
is
a
horizontal
sort
of
cedar,
redwood
looking
stuff
this
the
door
here
is
more
recent
to
get
out
onto
this
deck,
I'm,
not
sure
when
this
deck
was
built,
it
doesn't
look
terribly
old,
maybe
it's
15
to
20
years
old,
so
we're
proposing
to
in
adding
the
garage
space.
The
yard
would
be
taken
up
by
that
the
amount
of
backyard
that's
there
now
would
be
taken
up
by
the
garage
space.
L
So
in
order
to
have
some
outdoor
space
accessible
for
the
second
floor
unit,
this
would
be
a
screen
porch
here
and
an
open
deck
above.
The
remaining
portion
of
the
garage
and
then
from
this
is
this-
is
on
the
facing
the
east
north
yeah.
This
is
the
north
side
so
facing
the
adjacent
neighbor.
So
you
can
see
how
the
again
the
dotted
line
represents
the
old
roof.
This
new
roof
being
raised
up.
This
side
has
a
few
more
window,
changes
to
accommodate
kitchen
and
bedroom
work.
L
On
the
first
floor
of
where
the
kitchen
is
is
going
to
be
a
bedroom
where
a
bedroom
is
is
going
to
be
a
kitchen,
so
we
had
to
do
some
changes
with
windows,
so
brick
would
be
replaced
and
added
in
there's
already
been
a
few
of
those
sort
of
wind
that
was
happening
right
now.
This
just
I
drew
this
in
because
it's
there
this
used
to
be
a
window
and
they
left
the
lintel
and
the
sill,
but
the
rest
has
been
in
filled
with
brick
at
some
past
date.
We
don't
know
when.
L
There's
mine
again
another
one
of
my
lopsided
3d
views,
so
that
was
from
the
front
that
was
from
this
photograph
just
to
show
there's
not
a
lot
of
difference
in
the
roof
height
and
the
dormer.
That's
on
this
that
would
be
drawn
on
the
side
would
be
bigger
than
the
one.
That's
there
now
to
accommodate
a
bedroom.
L
B
L
Variations
we're
asking
for
for
lot
coverage
and
for
impermeable
surfaces
because
it
is
a
smaller
lot
in
order
to
do
the
garage
we're
all
right.
We
didn't
we.
We
got
just
under
the
impervious
impervious
surfaces
limit,
because
we
didn't
want
to
ask
that
variance.
When
we
first
calculated,
we
were
a
little
bit
over
and
then
the
zoning
staff
said.
Could
you
please
reduce
it?
So
we
are
under
the
impermeable
surfaces
limit.
N
N
N
A
N
So
the
rectangle
that's
the
existing
deck,
so
the
new
garage
goes
like
that.
It's
actually
I
should
have
made
it
a
little
bigger
because
it's
ten
feet,
it's
already
10
feet
out.
The
this
curvy
part
is
the
existing
patio
so
and
then
the
yellow
up
here
is
existing
concrete
sidewalk.
So
in
order
to
be
under
the
impervious
surface,
limit
we're
removing
the
concrete
sidewalk
to
the
north,
and
then
we,
since
there
was
already
all
of
this-
was
impervious
and
now
it's
going
to
be
covered
with
garage.
N
Yes,
so
we're
compliant
with
impervious
surface
all
right.
We
could
so
I
put
this
together.
This
is
the
city's
map
and
then
I
added
I
went
around
and
took
some
pictures,
and
this
is
ours
and
the
proposed
garage
and
porch
and
we're
just
proposing
this
little
bitty
deck
over
here
for
the
first
floor
to
use.
N
But,
as
you
can
see,
it
is
adjacent
to
this
big
city
park
and
there's
giant
basketball
courts.
So
it's
not
like
we're
going
to
be
disturbing
the
next-door
neighbors
on
our
little
bitty
deck
right.
The
basketball
players
will
be
disturbing
us,
so
there's
also
a
city,
11,
foot,
city
fence,
chain-link
right
here,
but
and
the
city's
fence
is
also
encroaching
on
the
alley
by
the
way.
N
Okay,
so
our
next-door
neighbor,
in
that
another
building
next
door
has
gravel
parking
in
the
back.
That
basically
covers
the
whole
rear
of
that
property.
This
garage
is
really
tall.
Oh
so
this
Ridge,
all
these
Lots
are
huge.
This
building
I
went
into
microfiche
in
order
to
find
out
some
information
about
other
properties.
This
building
is
45
feet
tall,
which
is
directly
behind
ours.
Their
fence
is,
is
it
looks
like
it's
encroaching
on
the
alley,
I'm,
not
sure,
where
they're
a
lot
line,
but
it's
right
by
the
alley.
N
In
fact,
it's
going
to
make
it
even
harder-
and
it's
it's
already
hard
to
get
out
of
the
parking
space
because
of
their
fence
and
this
wooden
fence
here
that
are
right
at
the
edge
there's,
an
asphalt
alley
or
driveway
here
and
I
realized.
Recently,
it's
a
it's
looking
over
the
fence
that
they
have
an
interior
side
deck
on
the
second
floor
right
here.
It's
so
close
to
that
house
right
next
door.
I
was
really
surprised
to
see
that
one.
This
is
a
two-story
Coach
house
that
looks
like
it's
hanging
over
the
alley.
N
Can't
quite
tell
also
has
a
shed-dormer
on
the
side.
It's
big.
This
is
a
beautiful
house
and
beautiful
kind
of
chose.
This
is
a
big
apartment
building,
so
no
parking
and
no
rear
yard
setback.
This
house
is
super
setback.
It
has
an
asphalt
parking
area
here
and
an
attached
garage
here,
nowhere
yard
setback.
N
This
has
asphalt
on
the
alley.
I
guess
this
is
all
compliant
these
houses
on
dumpster.
Here
these
three
are
well,
this
is
an
apartment,
building,
two
houses
and
these
are
houses.
None
of
these
are
compliant.
They
have,
they
have
no
no
rear
yards.
This
one
has
a
deck
and
a
parking
space,
a
deck
and
a
parking
space.
This
one
just
has
a
big
asphalt
parking
area.
N
This
one
has
big
stairs
on
the
back
from
the
deck
to
the
second
floor.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
ours
is
a
relatively
small
variation
compared
to
some
of
the
other
ones
going
on.
So
our
variations,
four
of
them
were
removed.
I,
don't
know
if
you
saw
my
list
there,
we
can
go
to
that,
but
the
ones
that
remain
are
building
a
lot
coverage
which
we
need
in
order
to
have
three
parking
spaces,
rear
yard
setback,
which
we
need
at
a
variance
for
in
order
to
have
three
parking
spaces
side
yard.
N
Oh
well,
all
right.
The
north
side,
we
were
its
current.
The
current
building
is
three
feet:
what
two
inches
or
something
from
the
property
line
and
the
garage
would
line
the
new
garage
addition
would
line
up
with
the
existing
building
and
on
the.
So
that's
one
of
the
that's
the
side,
yard
setback
on
the
north
variation
and
then
this
is
a
low
deck.
So
we're
talking
two
steps
like
a
foot
and
a
few
inches
off
the
ground
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
right
next
to
the
park.
A
N
N
L
L
E
E
L
E
H
Don't
have
to
you
just
talked
about
that
which
is
kind
of
what
you're
saying
we
don't
have,
because
yeah
there's
so
I
would
say
that
this
house
is
so
transformed
by
the
mass,
like
whatever
all
the
variances
that
and
then
the
whole
rear
of
this
addition
piece,
that's
going
on
is
so
kind
of
different
in
terms
of
its
windows
from
the
existing
part
of
the
house.
That
I
think
that's
what
we
talk
about
right
now,
I
mean
we
can
talk
about
that
right.
C
H
E
A
A
There
I
mean
again
I'm
not
trying
to
be
picky
about
this
discrepancy
between
this
and
this
your
3d
drawing
is
so
unbelievably
different
than
plans
that
I
genuinely
can't
tell
what
you're
doing
I
mean
they're
there
I've
just
been
looking
back
and
forth
to
see,
as
at
me
and
they're
they're,
just
like
different
projects
to
think
about
these
drawings.
I
don't
have
any
idea.
What
you're
proposing,
which
then
probably
goes
back
to
the
plans,
might
help
I
can't
tell
what
you're
raising
or
where
I
can't
tell
I
mean
in
some
of
these
drawings.
P
Mate
I
know
we
say
in
this
thing:
construction
standards,
but
my
I
guess
my
issue
is
more
an
alteration
standard
with
the
roof
and
the
kind
of
spatial
relationships
of
the
roof
that
characterized
the
property.
I
almost
am
NOT
as
concerned
because
of
the
nature
of
the
to
plant
property
or
the
or
the
house
property,
and
the
brick
massing,
with
the
going
back
as
I
am
with
the
change
in
the
massing
going
up
and
the
roof
and
the
dormers.
R
L
S
S
Gallagher
Gallagher,
what
will
both
concerned
about
is
the
proposed
warmer
and
basically
the
if
I
have
not
at
this
point
brought
a
photograph
of
my
three
flat,
which
is
non-compliant.
S
But
grandfathered
in
so
it's
it's
really
the
what
I
want
to
see
and
what
your
questions
are
about
or
the
front
of
the
house
and
how
it
appears.
You
know
with
the
nude
warmer
I
anyway.
I
prefer
the
variance
where
you
know
the
roof
were
higher
and
the
dormers
you
know
were
the
same
angle,
but
that's
just
me,
but
I've
been
in
Evanston
for
35
years
and
I've
walked
in
neighborhoods.
S
This
is
changing
the
historic
nature
of
the
neighborhood
and,
by
the
way,
the
proportions
of
1104
dempster
1104
to
Dempster
and
1106
Dempster
are
wildly
incorrect.
Thank
you.
I
hope
you
do
I
help
you
do
this
project
I'm
I'm
about
to
be
a
grandfather.
This
is
a
wonderful
improvement
of
the
of
a
property
if
it
can
be
done
within
the
historic
bounds.
Thank.
L
Well,
because
the
this
roof
is
the
existing
pitch
of
the
roof
and
that's
the
seven
feet
high
from
the
attic
floor
to
the
beam
at
seven
feet,
which
we
can't
make
use
of
as
habitable
space,
because
there's
not
enough
room
there
to
make
it
usable
for
anything,
so
we're
proposing
to
reframe
the
roof
higher
up
to
the
zoning
maximum
of
35
feet,
which
is
here.
So
this
is
a
steeper
pitch
as
a
hip
roof.
So
the
front
is
a
hip
roof.
L
The
sides
sloped
up
to
meet
that
Ridge
and
then
these
dormers,
because
elevations
are
naturally
flattened
views.
This
looks
closer
to
the
front
than
it
is,
but
as
Noreen
says,
and
these
phases
of
this
cedar
siding
here
is
30
feet
back
off
the
face
of
the
front
of
the
house,
so
this
elevation
drawing
just
looks,
makes
it
appear
closer
to
the
front
when
it
isn't.
N
E
E
E
H
B
H
Can
I
just
I
think
there's
an
issue
again
with
this
project
just
having
everyone
on
the
Commission
understand
it
this
the
image
from
the
front.
This
3d
is
not
really
clarifying
the
height.
It
is
not
showing
the
whole
mass
of
the
structure,
and
so
I
really
think
that
the
that
the
description
for
us
to
review
of
this
project
need
to
be.
You
know
better
described
and
I
know
that
you
know
I'm
all
for
models
or
modeling.
We
need
something.
It's
a
much
bigger
project.
H
The
roof
is
really
different
from
what
is
shown,
and
you
just
cannot
understand
anything
from
this.
You
know
this
kind
of
this
drawing
so
I.
You
know,
I
can
understand
the
side,
elevation
and
say:
oh
the
windows,
don't
really
work
out
with.
They
exist.
The
new
windows
and
the
other
windows,
the
composition
and
the
opening
sizes,
but
there's
a
much
bigger
issue
here
of
the
size
and,
what's
being
changed.
P
I'm
looking,
if
you
can
go
to
you,
have
some
pictures
of
the
property,
the
property
from
the
park,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
vegetation
or
whatever,
but
there's
a
photo
of
the
neighbor
to
the
north.
Wait
a
minute,
so
the
neighbors
to
North
wait
there's
another
so
to
the
one
on
the
bottom,
so
you
see
where
the
little
dormer
currently
is
and
then
and
the
roof
height.
You
know,
as
you
look
at
that,
so
the
new
dormer
is
going
to
be.
N
N
H
N
P
A
E
A
Q
Q
The
other
thing
that
we
didn't
show
in
the
plans,
but
we
left
the
space
for
it
inside
the
garage
and
inside
the
screen,
porch
right
off
the
kitchen
door,
where
it's
wide
enough
in
the
future
to
put
in
a
list
an
elevator
again
with
the
idea
that
who
knows
if
we
like
the
place
and
stay
there,
another
20-30
years,
and
you
know
we
may
be
able
to
age
in
place
with
the
help
of
that
elevator.
So
all
of
that
thinking
gets
negated.
Q
G
N
Q
That
picture
on
the
top
left
shows
that,
and
you
know
we
think,
by
adding
three
feet.
We
don't
think
it's
going
to
substantially
change
the
look
of
it
from
the
front
a
little
bit
from
the
side,
because
you
got
a
bigger
dormer,
but
it's
way
back
from
the
street
thirty
feet
now
the
back
yeah,
it's
really
different
than
what
it
is
now,
but
we
think
it's
an
improvement
and
when
you're
taking
to
consider
it
everything
that's
hanging
on
the
back
of
that
house.
A
H
Okay,
okay
I
think
we
need
a
3d
representation,
either
through
a
model
or
a
3d
rendering
of
the
entire
new
project
with
its
addition-
and
we
need
to
compare
it
to,
we
can
do
you
drunk,
you
know
you
can
keep
the
drawings
of
the
existing.
So
that's
one
thing
that
it's
it's
unclear,
the
and
I
think
I'm,
just
looking
at
the
site
plan
is
so
and
I'll
ask
Elliot
who's.
H
I
guess
that's
clear,
so
I
think
for
me:
it's
those
it's
just
a
3d
rendering
and
I
need,
and
the
context
of
this
is
it's
difficult.
I
mean
I,
think
the
other.
So,
for
instance,
when
you
show
it
on
a
plan
of
survey,
I
know
you
did
that
you
took
the
city
map,
but
if
we
could
see
just
the
two
houses
or
the
park
and
the
house
adjacent
to
it,
just
I
just
for
context,
it's
it's.
E
H
E
H
Q
H
E
Think
there's
a
lot
because
even
the
way
it's
drawn
right
now
and
we
look
at
the
back
side.
You
know
your
screen.
Porch
reads
as
if
it's
a
solid
and
in
fact,
there's
a
there's,
a
north
wall,
that's
a
solid
there's,
a
roof
and
then
there's
something
essentially
transparent.
And
yet,
if
I
look
at
you
know,
I
mean
even
if
you,
if
you
made
one
of
your
models
Julie
it
would
it
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
made
that
way.
E
You
know,
you'd
have
to
make
something
to
make
the
screen
porch
read
as
a
screen
porch,
whether
it
be
openings
or
something
I,
think
the
volumes
are
really
confusing
here
and
I.
Think
the
the
real
problem
that
I
think
and
I'll
speak
to
mark.
You
know
when
you
keep
saying
you're
not
clear
on
it.
It's
because
of
the
changes
in
the
roof
and
a
lot
of
these
changes.
E
I
mean
these
are
large-scale
changes
to
what
that
building
is
now,
and
you
know,
you're
not
just
saying
we're:
building
2
dormers
you're
filling
in
the
entire
lot
you're
filling
in
above
the
garage,
you're
filling
in
the
whole,
the
whole
roof
is
being
reconstructed
and-
and
it's
not
it's
not
clear
enough.
I
think
for
everybody
to
say
yeah
sure
this
is
just
an
alteration.
E
A
A
We're
not
trying
to
give
you
trouble,
I
mean
the
lack
of
clarity,
and
it
just
this
at
least
seeming
visual
inconsistency
between
the
different
materials
presented
makes
it
really
difficult
for
us
to
know
what
you're
presenting
it's.
It's
not
picky,
it's
just
we
it's
really
hard
to
understand
what
you're
doing
and
as
I
keep
looking
at
the
different
depictions.
It
just
looks
so
different
than
each
other
that
dramatically
different
than
each
other.
A
T
A
A
That
was,
you
know.
The
request
I
mean
one
of
the
I
think
was
that
the
first
presenter
tonight
or
a
second
had
a
good.
You
know
didn't
look
like
an
expensive
product
of
a
3d
model
that
was
sufficient
to
show
that
the
other
1330
Lake
Street
I,
don't
know
if
some
of
your
technical
knowledge
could
speak
to
that,
but
it
just.
B
Actually,
that
was
an
axonometric,
meaning
that
the
dimensions
are
the
same
but
you're
showing
two
sides
of
the
building.
So,
for
instance,
the
dimension
of
the
corner
and
the
front
would
be
the
same
dimension
as
the
corner
in
the
back,
whereas
the
3d
or
or
perspective
lines
you
you
see
the
difference
from
the
front
towards
the
rear.
It
gets
smaller.
So
you
have
a
3d.
You
know.
Is
that
perspective
there
I'm
basically.
B
J
G
I
mean
I,
think
I
agree
with
electa
I
think
to
the
extent
I
understand.
What's
going
on,
I
think
the
Attic
dormer
addition
is
too
large
for
this
house
and
does
not
really
meet
the
first
two
standards
of
alteration
where
we're
talking
about
reasonable
efforts
to
adapt
the
property
with
minimal
alteration
and
maintaining
the
original
qualities
and
character
of
the
property.
G
I
mean
I,
think
there's
a
very
large
deck
at
a
very
large
screened-in
porch
that
maybe
that's
less
important
than
a
guest
bedroom
and
bath,
and
that
there's
other
ways
to
approach
the
the
project
and
maybe
I,
would
feel
differently
with
a
clearer
3d
rendering
of
what
the
massing
would
be.
But
as
it
stands
now
from
what's
been
presented,
I'm
not
convinced
that
meets
the
standards.
L
M
E
Q
C
A
E
H
E
E
L
A
Okay,
what
I
mean
you're,
considering
and
clearly
helping
us
understand
it
better
and
making
sure
that
it's
a
consistent
presentation
would
help
us
a
lot
just
know
what
we're
looking
at
yeah.
Really,
we
see
a
lot
of
these
and
you
know.
Fortunately,
a
lot
of
the
presentations
are
very
clear
and
we
understand
exactly
what's
going
on
and
the
extent
there
are
any
substantive
issues.
A
G
E
E
Right
at
the
south
end
the
crane,
and
then
you
you'd,
see
it
so
I
I
mean
I.
That's
why
I
have
a
crowd.
Even
if
we
play
this
game
of
the
park
doesn't
count.
The
street
does
and
I'm
not
trying
to
split
hairs,
but
you're
gonna
see
that
thing.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
that
Park
cuz
I
did
that
tennis
that
basketball.
C
Q
N
B
A
E
B
E
Have
a
oh
yeah
and
I
expressed
this
to
Carlos,
I
I!
Think
that's
problematic,
because
those
are
really
not
official
minutes,
I
think
in
the
future.
They
should
just
be
directed
to
the
video
until
we
have
approved
minutes,
because
they'll
take
that
earlier
version
that
all
of
you
got
which
wasn't
necessarily
wrong
but
is
not
an
approved
set
of
minutes
and
I.
Think
we
shouldn't
let
them
use
those
minutes
because
I,
don't
necessarily
think
the
console
is
gonna,
go
back
and
look
at
the
video
and
so
I
tried
to
clean
it
up
and
I'm.
E
E
If
those
who
have
it
there's
a
whole
section
where
he
began
talking
about
how
our
guidelines
should
change-
and
there
are
four
items
there
and
I
didn't
clean
him
up,
because
I
was
hit
without
having
the
video
I
was
having
a
problem
even
in
what
you
transcribed,
understanding
what
he
was
asking
so
there's
sort
of
on
page
two
for
those
who
have
it:
1,
2,
3,
&,
4,
I,
think
somebody's.
The
rest
of
you
should
read
that
and
try
to
reconstruct
it,
because,
in
all
fairness,
I
still
don't
understand
what
was
being
asked.
E
B
What
we
did
is
we
send
a
notification
to
the
owner
of
the
denial
and
it's
part
of
it.
We
send
the
notes,
which
are
this
not
substantially
the
same,
but
we
needed
to
show
them
what
the
Commission
did
and
also
the
findings.
So
they
understand
is
that
these
are
not
the
minutes
or
the
ones
that
I
see.
We
send
what
are
not
the
minutes.
I
think
part
of
the
issue
for
me
was
to
if
you
can
only
read
a
portion,
I
didn't
necessarily
wanted
to
verbatim
say
whatever
mr.
B
language
said
so
there's
paragraphs
that
do
not
necessarily
name
the
person,
but
they
should
have
been
bullet
points
rather
than
just
paragraphs.
So
the
thing
that
would
clarify
much
better,
because
everything
that's
happening
in
the
first
two
pages
is
what
mr.
Langley
said,
rather
than
somebody
after.
E
E
E
That
terribly
painfully
on
you
know
Harley
quality,
which
is
going
to
become
the
poster
child
for
redoing
the
minute
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
if
we
think,
if
we
think-
and
maybe
it's
always
if,
if
someone's
being
denied
and
the
potential
is
there,
then
we
should
be
very
careful,
I.
Think
if
they're,
you
know,
if
they've
been
approved,
seven
to
nothing,
I,
don't
think
there's
as
much
of
a
concern
and
I'm.
You
know
I'm
just
looking
at
in
terms
of
what
needs
to
be
addressed
than
that.
H
B
Well,
if
you
recall
he
was
the
person
who
made
a
presentation
so
he's
the
installer
and
I
know
that
he
doesn't
say
that
in
the
minutes
necessarily,
but
clearly
in
my
mind
he
was
the
contractor
installer
and
then
the
owner
spoke
to
so
I.
Don't
know,
I,
don't
disagree
with
your
comment
in
terms
of
identifying
minutes,
but.
H
E
P
I
mean
I
think
that's
a
good
point,
just
no
matter
approve
tonight
or
whatever,
just
as
we
have
people
say
who
they
are,
and
you
know
resident
neighbor
contractor.
You
know
whatever.
We
should
remember
to
put
that
in
the
in
the
minutes.
You
know
so
when
you
go
back
and
you
know
because
six
months
from
now
I,
even
if
I
remember
now,
I
might
not
remember
then
and
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying
Elliott
about
the
presentation,
but
I
think
your
idea
of
just
bullet
pointing
the
owners
presentation.
P
E
P
H
Most
importantly,
I
do
not
think
that
what
we
are
you
know
what
Preservation
Commission
has
to
use
to
evaluate
solar
panels
or
other
issues
such
as
that
you
know
what
and
what
we're
sort
of
I
mean
since
then,
since
the
Commission
was
really
split
on
that
it
was
very
close.
Do
I
think
this
City
Council
is
going
to
be
able
to
go
back
and
look.
You
know
what
we
had
to
work
with
I
mean.
E
E
E
E
This
is
just
my
thing
and
Carlos
knows
this:
I
think
that
when
we're
voting
on
a
lot
of
these
issues,
where
it's
not
going
to
be
7
to
nothing,
we're
okay
with
your
windows,
kind
of
thing
that
all
of
our
Commons
when
we're
voting,
we
should
be
stating
whether,
before
or
after,
so
that
there
in
the
minutes,
because
I
think
they
do
become
important,
not
just
for
console
but
I.
Think
for
future
Commission's
because
it
establishes,
you
know,
started
decisis
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
essentially
that's
what
it
is.
Where.
A
E
A
Well
and
I
mean
this
solar
energy
has,
you
know,
they're
reasons
why
we
try
to
approve
it,
but
their
reasons
why
half
of
us
didn't
like
this
particular
project,
and
that's
so
I
mean
what
comes
across
to
the
City
Council
reading
this
it's
not
necessarily
like
the
Commission
decided
for
these
reasons
that
it
didn't
meet
the
standards.
It's
it's
well.
B
We
don't
know
if
the
applicants
will
actually
be
able
to
present
their
case,
because
in
other
cases
the
applicants
would
make
their
appeal
known
through
the
public
comment
section
of
the
council
and
then
when
the
council
is
reviewing
the
case,
they
may
call
upon
the
applicant
to
explain
something,
but
they
don't
necessarily
ask
them
to
make
a
presentation.
So.
B
Yeah,
because
if
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
of
the
sick
castle
were
composed
by
all
the
members
of
the
council,
they
were
called
to
P
and
D,
but
they're
not
so
it
goes
to
the
council
and
they
have
to
make
a
decision
whether
or
not
they
decide
to
accept
the
appeal.
If
they
decide
to
accept
the
appeal
they
can
see
the
case
so.
B
H
You
think
I
mean
I,
know
that
Diane
in
the
past,
when
things
have
come
before
City
Council
I
know
that
when
she
was
chair
that
she
did,
there
was
she'd
made
a
statement.
I
mean
I,
know
some
of
those
and
I
I
think
I'm
pretty
I'm
/.
You
know
I'm
particularly
sensitive
about
this
one,
because
we
did
get
this
letter
from
the
ahead
of
Sustainability
who,
basically
you
know,
we
got
a
letter
so
there's
a
letter
on
record
that
we
received
and
I
don't
think
he
ever.
H
B
Anyway,
I
just
said
what
I
said:
I
just
want
to
mention
two
commissioners
is
that
I've
been
in
contact
with
Kumar
about
you
know
the
Commission's
interests
of
having
an
informational
meeting
and
Kamala
and
I
will
discuss
this
issue
further.
This
week
we
have
a
meeting
on
Thursday
and
I,
also
attended
the
APA
Illinois
chapter
session
on
Friday
I
have
attended
two
sessions
about
solar
energy,
I
think
probably
there's
one
or
two
people
there.
H
I
mean
I
have
to
say,
like
after
talking
to
Suzanne
landmarks,
Illinois
I
talk
to
her
a
little
bit
about
this.
It's
like
a
case-by-case.
You
know
issue
of
like
what
your,
what
the
house
is
landmark
or
contributing
structure
where
the
panels
go.
It's
case
by
case
and
it'll
be
you
know,
and
everyone
will
make
their
decision.
So
there
isn't
a
definitive,
so
I
just
want
to
say
this
only
there's
a
definitive
answer
like
yes,
you
always
you
can
put
them
wherever
you
want.
You
know
it,
but
it
is
really
based
on
you
know.
E
E
A
A
B
So
on
Thursday,
you
know,
I
will
have
a
better
understanding
from
your
comments.
How
I
approach
the
issue
with
Kumar
I
think
there
is
a
lot
to
explore.
You
know
what
the
city
wants
to
do,
because
obviously
they're
looking
at
the
man,
you
know
the
city's
decision
to
come
up
degree
by
20,
I
can't
remember
the
year
2030
or
something
well,
you
know
if
you
follow
that,
and
then
it
would
mean
that
a
lot
of
these
buildings
will
have
solar
panels.
B
And
how
do
you
address
that
in
a
storage
disorder
landmark,
you
know
it's
just
that
right
now.
My
sense
is
that
the
solar
panel
community
or
the
green
sustainable
community
they're
working
a
low
levels
that
the
local
state
and
federal
levels
to
make
this
happen.
So
the
fact
that
I
put
some
information
from
the
National
Perseus
is
because
to
destroy
the
Commission
that
you
know
they're
also
thinking
about
the
solar
panels,
and
they
show
some
examples.
How
do
they
recommend
doing
it?
P
B
P
C
E
Because,
if
you
recall
I,
don't
know
how
many
meetings
ago,
we
had
all
the
people
with
the
tree,
Ordinance
discussion
and
and
in
fact
one
of
the
people
that
was
here
that
night
cuz
former
client
of
mine
was
there
because
somebody's
building
next
door
to
her
and
they
cut
down
several
trees
because
there's
nothing
to
protect
them
on
private
properties.
Ironically,
I
was
over
at
their
house
last
week
and
we
were
talking
about.
Could
they
have
done
solar
on
my
clients,
house,
not
thing
getting
built
and
it
turns
out.
E
You
should
go
to
even
Edison's
website
which
will
do
a
preliminary
thing.
It
won't
even
bother
calculating
because
there's
too
many
trees,
even
after
they've
lost
granted,
maybe
there's
a
little
more
sunlight
now,
which
means
there
are
homes.
Mine
would
have
been
12
to
15
years
payback,
and
that
would
mean
that
somewhere,
my
shingles
may
have
to
be
replaced
so
to
say
that
we're
gonna
make
it
by
year.
20.
Something
is
gonna,
be
very
difficult
for
a
lot
of
these
houses,
so.
O
We
understand
there
needs
to
be
a
robust
discussion
about
solar
panels
and
they're
at
the
roll
and
preservation
right
now.
We've
got
the
minute
prove
all
the
minutes
on
the
agenda,
so
I
think
I
understand
needs
to
be
a
future
discussion
about
that
want
to
get
the
right
people
in
the
room.
For
that,
but
I
think
that's
not
an
item
on
the
agenda
tonight.
A
E
A
B
B
C
E
B
We
have
volunteers,
working
on
different
areas
of
research
and
history
tried
to
identify
whether
sites
or
buildings
that
will
have
certain
significant,
either
culturally
architectural
or
historical
significance,
so
I
other
men
cement
is
asking
the
Commission
to
look
to
that
information
that
we
have
and
see.
If
there's
anything
that
the
Commission
can
come
up
with
to
recognize.
B
How
basically
explains
what
what
the
objective
was
and
they
have
certain
goals
as
well,
where
they
were
to
achieve
so
I
think
that
I
was
just
thinking
that
maybe
we
can
go
back
a
little
bit
more
to
the
documents
that
we
have
and
see.
If
we
can
understand
better
what
the
intention
was,
and
eventually
you
know,
gives
the
alderman
a
response
to
how
the
Commission
could
help
so.
B
G
G
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
There
are,
there
are
a
lot
of
other
lesser-known
people,
one
of
the
days
I
happen
and
the
man
was
out
in
his
front
yard,
a
house
on
Emerson,
that's
notably
bigger
than
anything
else
in
the
block,
and
it
was
a
house
that
was
moved.
If
you
see
a
house,
that's
an
old
house,
it's
too
big
for
the
area.
It
probably
got
moved
there
and
had
a
fascinating
conversation
with
him
that
he
moved.
R
R
R
R
And
so
she
didn't
belong
in
Evans
and
evidence
and
at
that
point
did
everything
they
could
to
get
rid
of
all
of
its
black
students
in
the
high
school.
They
had
a
separate
grade
school,
separate
black
grade
school
at
the
time,
but
tried
to
keep
their
kids
out
all
black
kids
out
of
high
school.
So
she
never
graduated
from
high
school.
T
R
R
R
R
R
Black
woman's
sat
in
the
parking
lot
of
Evanston
hospital
until
their
contractions.
The
women
pregnant
women
in
labor
until
their
contractions
were
five
minutes
apart
and
then
they
went
to
the
waiting
room
to
the
emergency
room
and
the
emergency
room
could
not
turn
them
down
if
they
were
five
minutes
apart.
Six
minutes
apart
out
to
go,
but
they
could
not
have
any
visitors
any
black
visitors.
R
R
T
T
A
T
1990S
we
did
have
the
the
national
trust
conference
come
up
here,
because
they
they
didn't,
have
much
on
conservation
districts
and
they
particularly
didn't
have
anything
on
black
conservation
districts.
We
have
met
once
with
with
alderman,
Simmons
and
Dino,
and
feel
very
strongly
that
this
project
should
go
forward
again.
We're
very
disappointed
when
it
didn't
go
forward
and
we'd
like
to
encourage
the
Commission
to
do
it
and
the
basic
work
and
did
the
basic
work
for
for
the
project.
That's
that's
a
lot
of
the
hard
work
that
has
to
be
done.