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A
So
I
have
the
sign-up
sheet.
If
anybody
hasn't
signed
up.
If
any
member
of
the
public
wishes
to
speak,
the
applicants
don't
have
to
sign
this
sign-up
sheet.
So
what
we'll
do
for
each
matter
is
we'll
give
the
applicant
an
opportunity
to
present
their
application
and
for
each
applicant,
although
we
do
have
the
packet
it's
necessary
for
you
to
hit
the
main
points
of
your
presentation.
The
I
think
we've
all
read
the
applications
but
they're
if
they're,
not
always
100%,
clear
and
I.
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A
A
A
C
So
this
is
a
continuation
of
our
application.
From
few
months
now,
there's
a
the
proposed
engineering
plan.
The
site
plan
more
building
is
the
two-story
prairie
style
house
is
cedar,
siding
real
brick,
siding
as
well.
Real
wood
trim,
30-year
architectural
shingles
and
I
have
samples
here.
If
you
guys
want
me,
I
know:
I
passed
them
out
last
time
and
some
commission
members
might
not
have
seen
it.
So
you
know
he's
bring
those
up.
C
C
C
C
D
C
So
the
letter
is
kind
of
summarized
in
this.
These
are
the
steps
we've
gone
through
to
get
to
where
we
are
today.
The
zoning
analysis
was
required
and
we
completed
and
proved
that
adhere
to
all
set
back
and
lot
coverage
requirements
set
by
the
the
city
of
Evanston.
The
next
thing
the
Commission
asked
was
that
you
know
the
actual
style
fit
for
the
community.
C
You
know
what
we're
designing
fits
Evanston,
so
we
custom
designed
this
house
at
the
request
of
some
of
the
the
people
from
Evanston
to
be
more
like
the
architectural
style
of
the
city.
So
we
designed
a
prairie
style
house
it
just
like
there
are.
You
know
all
around
Evanston,
which
I
know
the
Commission's
well
aware
of.
C
The
third
was
the
size
and
lot
coverage
compared
to
the
the
neighboring
homes.
We
had
some
comments
last
time,
then
it
was
a
little
bit
too
big
of
a
footprint.
This
is
actually
our
largest
lot
and
it's
the
same
or
less
than
all.
Actually
it's
at
a
coalesce
all
other
eighteen
neighboring
homes
that
we
built.
So
you
know
the
height
is
also
was
asked
of
the
Commission
actually
back
to
that.
The
lot
coverage
or
the
size
we
reduced
the
size
of
it
twice
it
per
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
Commission,
the
the
height.
C
We
was
a
concern
of
one
of
the
the
neighbors.
It's
the
same
or
less
than
all
of
the
surrounding
houses.
In
fact,
2350
on
the
other
side
that
we
most
recently
built,
it's
also
a
corner
lot,
smaller
a
little
bit
smaller
a
lot
larger
house
got
a.
The
lot
is
actually
seventy
344
square
feet
main
floors.
2168
lot
coverage
is
2188,
which
is
about
a
twenty
nine
point.
Eight
percent
limit
twenty
nine
point,
eight
percent,
thirty
percent
being
the
limit
and
our
proposed
house
right
now.
C
The
lot
is
six
hundred
square
feet,
640
square
feet,
bigger
that
main
floor
is
1736
square
feet
main
floor,
so
330
square
feet,
smaller
23,
10
square
feet,
max
building
lot
coverage
for
28
point
almost
29%
lot
coverage
was
the
limit
set
for
everyone
is
30%,
and
then
the
next
thing
that
we
were
asked
was
to
bring
in
samples
which
we
did
and
I
have
here
today
again
and
the
last
really
the
the
root
of
all.
This
is
the
tree
protection
plan.
C
So
what
we
did
is
we
we
agreed
with
Evanston,
as
confirmed
by
the
city
attorney.
We
entered
into
an
agreement,
Northshore
builders
in
the
city
of
Evanston,
and
agreed
that
three
of
the
trees
were
to
remain,
if
possible,
two
of
them
or
to
keep,
and
we
kept
those
two
and
weary
platted
from
let's
just
say,
20
to
19,
and
it
was
approved
by
the
City
Council
and
the
mayor
in
2011.
This
resolution
13
or
11,
and
the
whole
reason
we
did.
C
That
was
to
save
that
large
oak
at
the
end
of
the
alley,
and
that's
why
we
cut
it
there
and
the
plan
was
one
said:
oh
no,
if
and
when
it
does
die
that
we
would
donate
the
owner
of
that
lot.
Eight
would
donate
that
to
the
city
for
right
away
for
the
LED
to
go
through,
so
we
also
entered
at
that
time
a
new
tree
preservation
plan
with
the
city,
knowing
that
there
was
really
not
a
whole
lot.
C
Buildable
I'm,
not
8
at
the
time,
because
the
trees,
you
know
our
position,
one
of
them
especially,
is
closer
to
the
center
of
that
lot.
So
we
were
asked
by
the
city
again
in
another
meeting
to
have
a
third
party
arborist
go
out
there.
You
know
confirmed
that
the
best
way
to
save
the
tree
or
both
trees-
and
we
hired
you-
know
local
arborist,
Nels,
Johnson
I've
never
done
business
with
him
before,
but
I
know
they
do
a
lie.
Business
and
I've
been
Singh.
We
met
somebody
out
there
a
couple
weeks
later.
C
They
gave
us
the
report
that
with
their
plan
and
how
to
save
that
tree
or
the
best
plan
to
build
a
house
and
save
it
at
least
one
of
those
trees
and
and
the
plan
was
not
to
root
it
because,
like
a
lot
of
residents,
are
worried
about
the
root
systems
are
probably
intertwined
sort
of
cut
it
at
the
stump
and
then
treat
the
existing
root
system.
So
it's
strengths,
it
strengthens
it
trim,
trim
any
dead
branches
or
limbs
on
it
and
then
build
a
protective
fence
around
it.
C
The
second
tree,
but
you
know
the
they
confirm
that
the
the
roots
of
that
one
tree
most
likely
extends
all
the
way
to
the
old
Kendall
College
Foundation.
So
anything
that
was
going
to
be
built,
it
was
any
construction,
would
would
most
likely
to
serve
and
kill
that
tree
and
it
just
wasn't
plausible.
So
we
came
back
here
and
we've
had
a
few
meetings
with
that
trees.
C
On
that
plan,
the
preservation
plan
remarked
to
keep
to
remain
or
to
keep,
to
remove
and
to
keep,
if
possible,
and
the
keep,
if
possible,
was
the
arborist
you're
really
telling
us
what
was
possible
to
keep
and
what
wasn't
possible
to
keep.
So
today
you
know:
we've
complied
with
everything
on
you
know
the
list
of
what
the
preservations
purview
or
juris
per
views.
C
You
know
more
content
with
the
process
of
cutting
down
the
tree,
so
it's
really
been
kinda
the
the
big
issue
with
what
we're
dealing
with
right
now,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
it's
so
much.
The
house
I
think
it's
more
the
tree
that
is
causing
a
lot
of
confusion,
but
at
this
point
we've
kind
of
done
everything
we
can
do
and.
C
Something
odd
I
think
that
happened
in
a
May
or
June.
We
met
with
a
couple
of
the
people
that
work
with
the
alderman
in
Carlos
and
I.
Think
Scott
was
there
too
and
we
told
them
our
plan.
The
arbors
and
I
conferred
on
what
trees
are
there's
a
list
of
trees
that
are
that
evanston
prefers
over
over
other
ones.
So
with
that
list
we
then
consulted
with
a
firm
called
big
trees
because
we're
we
want
to
get
the
biggest
trees
we
can
so
we
can
show
some
something
of
a
SUP.
C
C
Yeah,
there's
our
ordinance
that
you
know
every
inch
of
tree
cut
down.
You
have
to
plant,
you
know
a
certain
amount.
It
want
to
see
its
yeah.
It
was
somewhere
in.
There
was
like
maybe
one
and
a
half
or
two
two
per
inch.
So
instead
of
planting
a
bunch
of
you
know,
forints
calipers,
we
were
looking
at
six.
Eight
ten
inch,
caliper
trees,
it
this
firm
comes
in
and
you
know
planted
a
few
of
those
and
then
you
know
some
some
ones
that
are
rare
or
not
possible
to
get
in
the
larger,
larger
size.
C
C
But
you
know
we
could
plant
them
around
our
property,
but
I'm
sure
there's
other
places
of
get
the
arborist
prefers,
but
I
think
the
the
point
of
that
is
that
we're
willing
to
work
with
the
city
to
keep
the
beauty
of
the
trees,
because
that's
what
we're
at
the
end
of
day.
That's
what
we're
here
to
do,
or
we
want
to
build
our
house
and
make
our
investors
and
bank
and
our
company
the
money
back
and
just
comply
with
what
the
you
know.
C
C
F
F
A
A
G
Chair
Simon
members
of
the
Commission.
After
our
last
meeting,
we
had
discussions
and
we
have
looked
into
kind
of
how
trees
fit
into
the
standards
that
you're
able
to
review,
and
we
went
back
through
the
ordinance
and
looked
through
and
tried
to
find
just
to
provide
you
some
guidance
about.
What's
written
in
the
current
Evanston
ordinance.
And
you
know
basically
so
that
you
would
know
the
proper
guidelines
to
apply.
And
our
previous
meeting
a
lot
of
people
were
pointing
to
walls
of
continuity,
which
is.
H
G
G
So
the
walls
of
continuity
in
the
beginning
that
the
first
part
of
this
this
paragraph
refers
to
facades
and
property
and
site
structures,
and
then
it
has
a
such
as
paragraph
and
that's
where
we
get
into
to
landscape
masses,
but
the
such
as
is
referring
is
modifying
site
structures
and
our
ordinance
define
structures.
It
gives
a
long
list
of
them,
but
it's
basically
anything
that's
man-made.
It
does
not
refer
to
anything,
there's
naturally
growing,
and
while
there
is
a
you
know,
quite
the
effort
right
now
to
do
include
trees.
That's
going
through
the
legislative
process.
A
So,
just
just
to
clarify
said
the
current
there's
there's
not
under
our
jurisdiction,
but
they're
separately,
a
tree
ordinance
right
now
that
that
would
only
restrict
cutting
down
I
think
trees
on
lots
of
over
two
acres
on.
Is
that
there's
a
proposed
law?
That's
not
in
effect
that
would
change
that
or
well.
G
I
think
the
the
tree
ordinance
that
that
you're,
referring
to
I
believe
is
the
one
that
the
applicant
was
talking
about,
where
you
know
if
they
cut
down
to
certain
trees,
that
they
need
to
replace
of
a
certain
caliper
that
they're
required
to
replace
them.
I
believe
that
they've
worked
with
and
Scott
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Paul
D'agostino
to
make
sure
that
they
do
have
a
plan.
That's
in
place,
because
the
original
development,
the
PD,
is
over
two
acres,
so
that
that
tree
ordinance
it
definitely
does
apply
to
them
and
I.
G
Think
they've
been
working
working
with
the
city
on
that.
But
yes,
that's
correct.
There
I
mean
the
trees.
Trees
are
an
important
part
of
Evanston,
and
you
know,
people
are
take,
are
interested
in
them
and
there's
there
definitely
is
legislation,
that's
being
worked
on
by
staff
and
getting
input
from
various
members
of
the
community
before
it
goes
to
council,
but
did
they
potentially
could
include
trees
like
this?
But
that's
not
what's
currently
on
one
of
the
books,
so
you.
I
G
J
I,
just
so
I
just
want
to
talk
about
this
possible
ordinance
that
may
be
in
the
works
which
may
like
other
suburbs
have,
which
is
the
replacement
in
kind
or
of
trees
that
are
removed?
Is
that
something
that's
being
looked
at?
I
mean
you
alluded
to
it?
Is
it.
G
J
I'm
really
just
talking
about
not
this
particular
project,
but
just
in
terms
of
what
you
you
know,
there
is
something
that
is
being
looked
at
and
that
would
be
for
smaller
Lots,
perhaps
or
something
is
that
that's
the
case
and
I
understand
it.
Isn't
what
we're
looking
at
I
understand
visit?
Why
and
I
guess
a
question
is
in
you
know,
sort
of
the
larger
scope
of
things.
Does
the
Preservation
Commission?
A
And
we
actually
back
when
this
came
up,
I,
don't
know
seven
or
eight
months
ago
we
were
asked
for
input.
We
gave
an
official
statement
for
the
City
Council
that
we
would
support
re-examination
of
this
because
of
a
you
know.
Perception
in
the
public
was
dissatisfied
that
there
was
some
merit
to
the
the
fact
that
the
current
ordinance
was
several
years
old
and
maybe
you
know,
didn't
really
match
well
with
the
current
environmental
goals
of
the
city
so
I.
We
actually
did
that
initially
before
this
process
started
well,.
B
B
G
That's
my
under
seven
actually
reviewed
what
what
they've
submitted,
but
the
what
he
is
talking
about
is
is
the
process
that
was
put
in
place
by
the
ordinance
in
Scott
I.
Guess
we
probably
need
Paul
D
Augustine
her
to
come
to
talk
about
what
trees
have
actually
been
planted
or
not,
but
that
it
that
is
the
the
process
that's
laid
out
in
the
ordinance
is
what
he's
referring
to
or
it
seems
to
be
referring
to
I,
can't
I,
guess.
B
I
have
a
question
which
easier
for
you
or
the
applicant
I'm,
not
sure
these
trees
that
are
going
to
be
planted
in
lieu
of
the
one
tree.
Is
there
a
location
as
to
where
that's
happening,
or
is
it
anywhere
in
Evanston?
Is
it
on
this
site?
Is
it
on
this
particular
parcel
or
a
lot
whatever?
That
is
eight
a.
G
B
C
C
A
A
If
you
could
each
please
come
up
and
limit
your
talk
to
two
minutes,
I
think
it'll
it'll
still
end
up
being
15
or
20
minutes
by
the
time
we
get
through
everybody.
But
thank
you
so
the
first
person
was
jeans,
smiling
coyote.
If
you
could
please
just
despite
the
fact
I
mean
you
could
introduce
yourself
before
you
speak.
Thank
you.
I'm.
K
Gene
smiling
coyote
included
in
my
written
copy
of
my
comments
is
a
copy
of
my
letter
to
Daniel
J
Hyman
of
Millennium
properties
dated
July
9th
2009
I
mentioned
my
support
for
the
mature
trees.
I
got
no
reply.
We
would
not
be
here
now
if
I
had
been
brought
on
board
to
help
guide
the
plan.
The
basic
problem
here
isn't
whether
the
developer
will
spare
the
mature
trees
at
2390
oaring
Tanev
anew.
K
I
have
a
number
of
preliminary
floor
plans
for
small
houses
which
might
fit
they
could
be
used
for
guests,
elders
or
rental
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
an
architect
to
complete
an
appropriate
plan.
If
it's
found
that
a
small
house
is
not
feasible,
there,
that
would
have
been
established
had
the
buildable
footprint
been
established
in
the
beginning
of
Clark
would
be
fine.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
I'm
Ted
Sykes.
We
live
two
doors
down.
Our
objection
has
been
all
along
that,
notwithstanding
all
the
theoretical
plans
about
what
trees
may
be
planted,
no
trees
have
been
planted.
The
trees
that
have
been
put
back
in
that
development
have
all
been
done
by
the
city
of
evidence
and
they
have
a
city
of
Evanston
takes
on
them.
L
We
just
think
in
all
of
these
iterations
a
smaller
footprint
we
could
have
lived
with,
but
putting
in
the
same
volume
house
or
the
porch
is
inside
or
outside
they've
all
been
the
same,
so
I
think
I
speak
for
most
of
the
neighborhood
that
we
just
think
this
is
a
monster
that
shouldn't
go
in
there
and
at
the
expense
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
trees
and
the
character
thereof.
Thank.
A
M
Hi,
my
name
is
ADA
Jung
I
live
next
door
to
this
lot,
I'm.
Also
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
trees,
these
trees
are
all
trees,
are
irreplaceable
and
their
focal
point
character
to
Evanston,
and
you
know,
we've
got
we
were
here
just
a
couple
months
ago
and
we
really
fought
for
the
trees
and
they
were
supposed
to
come
back
with
a
smaller
plan,
and-
and
here
we
are
again
it's
the
same
footprint
and
nothing
has
changed.
I
think
we
can
just
do
more.
M
The
plan
was
to
have
both
all
the
trees
remain
about
two
of
the
three
trees
and
remaining.
If
possible
and
I,
don't
think
they're
doing
enough,
we
mean,
if
possible,
and
it
is
possible.
It
I
think
it
is
possible,
their
own
tree
experts
saying
that
that
they
can
just
cut
down
to
the
to
the
stump
on
one
of
the
trees
and
try
to
preserve
the
other
one.
It's
it's
not
enough.
I
think
we
just
have
to
do
more.
M
We
all
can
do
more
to
save
the
tree
again
remain
if
possible
and
I
think
it
is
possible
to
keep
the
tree
if
the
developer
can
just
change
their
plans
to
a
little
smaller
and
work
with
the
city
and
the
neighbors
to
work
with
the
lot
that
they
have
and
the
existing
trees
that
are
there.
Thank
you
thank.
D
N
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
Leslie
shad
and
from
Evanston
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that,
in
addition
to
the
landscape,
masses
which
I
do
think,
protects
the
character
and
historic
heritage
of
trees,
but
in
addition
to
that,
there
was
an
agreement
with
the
city,
to
you
know,
protect
trees,
if
possible
and
for
trees
to
remain
the
one
that
was
requested
to
remain
is
in
poor
condition
because
we
plopped
the
house
on
it,
the
others
that
were
supposed
to
retain
if
possible,
he
hasn't
even
adjusted
his
footprint
for
it.
N
So
how
is
that
trying
to
do
anything
if
possible?
He
can't
you
know
it's
not
if
possible,
just
because
he
says
it's
really
hard,
so
I
just
you
know,
object
to
the
way
that
we're
you
know
supporting
the
wishes
of
the
city
and
try
and
I
feel
bad
for
you
all
that
this
falls
on
your
shoulders
to
enforce
the
city
agreement,
but
it
was
a
city
agreement
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
this
is
I
believe
enforceable
landscape
masses.
But
this
is
a
legal
issue.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
O
Hi
I'm
Nancy,
buffalos
key
I
live
at
23,
80
or
inton.
I
live
in
the
red
brick
house
next
to
the
proposed
red
house.
I
know
from
attending
these
meetings
in
the
past
few
months
that
the
Commission
is
very
interested
in
the
building
materials
and
the
aesthetics
of
the
home.
So
I
agree
with
all
my
neighbors
on
what
they've
had
to
say,
but
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
color.
O
It
was
a
point
of
pride
by
the
North
Shore
builder
representatives
when
we
were
building
on
her
house
and
telling
us
about
this
little
plan
community
that
each
house
was
going
to
have
a
distinctive
style
and
color
they
weren't
going
to
allow
you
know
three
Brown
houses
and
four
gray
houses
next
door
to
each
other.
They
were
supposed
to
have
kind
of
a
rhythm,
so
I'm
a
little
confused
on
why
this
new
house
being
proposed
is
bright
red
and
it
looks
like
the
brick
you
have
matches
our
brick
exactly
so.
A
H
P
So,
thank
you
again
for
your
service
and
I
know
that
this
is.
This
is
particularly
difficult
and
confusing,
but
I
want
to
emphasize
a
couple
of
things
to
you.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
remind
you
that
I
was
one
of
the
five
folks
who
were
the
authors
of
the
Northeast
Evanston
historic
district.
Both
the
National
Register
district
in
the
local
district
and
the
history
of
this
location
before
anything
was
built
was
the
trees.
P
Including
the
importance
of
the
streetscape
and
the
contribution
that
these
trees
make
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
air,
you
can
see
the
vestiges
of
the
oak
forest
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
I
could
walk
you
around
and
point
to
where
the
remnants
are,
but
they're
there
and
they're
important.
So
from
the
beginning,
when
we
first
moved
to
consider
the
subdivision
of
the
Kendall
property,
there
were
no
plans
for
houses.
The
subdivision
plan
was
just
for
these
specific
Lots.
P
I
think
there
was
even
there
were
even
offers
for
this
lot
when
the
developer
first
was
in
the
throes
of
let's
sell
the
Lots
individually,
and
you
come
with
your
architect
and
designer
house
and
put
it
up
that
of
course
evolved
into
the
the
plan
that
Ryan
Holmes
son
is
doing
now,
but
that
has
always
been
the
most
attractive
lot,
and
maybe
it
was
a
mistake
that
the
City
Council
and
myself
didn't
insist
that
that
lot
be
developed
first
to
protect
the
trees.
There
has
never
been
one
moment.
P
One
conversation
with
this
developer
that
those
trees
should
not
be
saved.
We
were
boxed
in
to
put
in
the
best
we
could,
which
was,
if
possible,
and
that
meant
moved
the
house
back
and
protect
these
trees.
Think
about
them
first,
and
that's
not
what
happened
now.
I
appreciate
the
fact
and
I
celebrate
the
fact
that
we
ended
up
with
a
development
on
that
site.
That
meant
every
single
individual
house
had
to
come
before
you
and
you
made
things
better.
I
mean
I.
P
Think
a
lot
of
you
may
remember
the
plans
that
originally
came
for
you
for
each
individual
house
and
you
did
a
better
jobs
and
what
the
developer
was
planning
to
do
in
the
beginning.
So
I,
thank
you
for
that,
but
this
is
really
important.
The
concept
of
lent
landscape
masses
tell
me
how
that
doesn't
include
trees
because
it
does,
and
these
trees
are
extremely
important.
This
is
the
most
highly
visible
location
in
all
of
the
Northeast
Evanston
historic
district.
You
have
a
Vista
across
to
the
lighthouse
across
Long
field.
P
P
P
So
that
said,
we've
done,
we've
done
what
we
can,
but
the
presentation
that
was
made
here
tonight,
I
think
I'm,
just
shaking
my
head
about,
because
I
think
it's
really
disingenuous
for
the
Builder
to
say:
hey
we've
gone
along
and
we
brought
the
alderman
in
and
we
talked
to
staff,
and
this
is
where
we
kind
of
were
ending
up
and
that's
not
what
happened.
We
were
very
very,
very
sure
that
they
understood
that
the
trees
were
the
most
important
thing
here
and
that
the
house
could
be
designed
within
the
past
year.
P
P
I
want
to
speak
for
one
more
minute
about
the
heritage
tree
ordinance,
Chicago
Tribune
in
September,
13th
haven't
sent.
Officials
may
broaden
the
tree
preservation
ordinance
to
include
more
trees
on
private
property,
potentially
defining
certain
types
of
heritage,
trees
that
would
require
a
permit
to
cut
down
that's
coming
to
planning
and
development
into
Council.
That
has
council
support
that
is
in
the
pipeline.
P
So
don't
let
yourselves
be
the
one
that
cut
down
the
last
the
last
300
year
old
tree
on
this
property,
because
you're
worried
about.
Maybe
this
ordinance
hasn't
passed
yet
it's
coming
and
it
expresses
the
commitment
of
the
council
to
save
trees
like
this
I
mean
I,
I'm
sure
that
you
know,
even
though
some
of
the
other
issues
weren't
in
my
ward.
But
there
are
people
who
care
about
how
properties
are
being
expanded
on
lots
that
have
mature
trees
and
it's
not
just
the
property
owners.
P
It's
the
people
who
live
next
door,
and
you
know
very
well
how
that
fits
in
with
our
climate
action
plan
and
everything
else
that
we're
trying
to
do
so.
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
please
vote
this
down.
We
can
do
better
than
this.
You
can
do
better
than
this.
The
Builder
can
do
better
than
this
and
that's
the
direction
that
we're
moving
as
a
city
and
I'm
asking
you
to
please
respect
that
and
please
help
us
out
on
this
extremely
important
and
sensitive
site.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
J
I'm,
just
so
you
know
the
Preservation
Commission
I
will
use.
This
word
is
frequently
siloed
into
making
decisions
and
may
be.
Siloed
is
a
negative
term,
but
in
it,
but
let's
say
in
this
instance,
it
is
based
on
what
we
have
before
us
and
so
which
is
like
if
I
read,
if
I
read
the
standard,
landscape,
masses
and
I've
thought
about
this.
J
Yes,
if
trees,
you
know
like
in
a
French
Chalet
or
straight
if
trees
are
all
in
a
row
and
they
make
a
strong
wall
and
one
house
comes
in
and
they
cut
them
all
down
that
perhaps
could
be
interpreted
as
a
landscape
mass.
This
isn't
these
are
this
doesn't
really
as
a
in
terms
of
a
design
sense?
It's
not.
It
doesn't
really
comprise
that
I
mean
it's
it
in
terms
of
what
the
walls
of
continuity
means
in
my
opinion,
given
that
it
seems
really
difficult
to
think
about.
J
You
know
so
so
I
see
this
site
plan
I,
see
the
the
trees
and
it
says
existing
trees
to
remain
if
possible.
Those
are
the
trees
that
are
sited.
I
know
that
may
not
have
been
the
intent
it
shows
up,
and
so
it's
just
it's
it's
a
difficult
one.
If
you
were
just
trying
to
look
at
what
we're
slated
with
which
I'm
calling
maybe
silo,
but
what
we're
slated
with
and
what
what
we
have.
A
G
Code
sets
out
is
what
should
be
the
standard
they
are
applying
to
is
based.
It's
based
in
the
standards
of
a
review
for
construction,
I
mean
if
there
wasn't
such
an
explicit
statement
about
what
you
should
be
considering
for
this
type
of
action.
They're
all
types
of
actions
that
this
body
hears
and
City
Council
decided
that
the
standards
review
for
construction
are
found
and
eight
nine
be.
G
G
G
That's
what
we
would
recommend
use
going
forward
and
again
it's
not
that
landscape
masses
are
in
the
way
it's
written.
It
is
used
as
an
example
of
a
site
structure.
It's
not
the
landscape.
Masses
by
themselves
are
listed
in
these
standards
as
part
of
the
wall
is
in
the
section
walls
of
continent
continuity
as
following
a
such
as
describing
structures,
and
then
the
code
goes
to
describe
structures.
G
E
E
The
relationship
of
a
structure
object
to
the
open
space
between
it
and
joining
structures
and
objects,
set
back
from
public
ways
shall
be
visually
compatible
with
the
property
structure,
sites,
public
sways
objects
and
places
to
which
it
is
visually
related
again,
you
know
this
structure
is
going
up
in
a
neighborhood
and
is
visually
related
to
significant
things
and
that
it's
an
another
one
that
struck
me
and
then
the
other
one
for
the
Commission.
This
is
a
different
topic,
but
the
directional
number
eleven
directional
expression
of
facades,
the
facade.
D
B
A
B
B
You
know
it
would
have
been
nice
to
start
there,
but
the
only
way
to
probably
have
done
that
would
have
been
to
start
replanting.
All
the
all
the
Lots
to
the
south
of
there
saying
we're
going
to
here
and
everybody
else's
lot
is
going
to
shrink
as
we
head
south
in
order
to
make
up
for
say
the
loss
of
10
feet
along
Lincoln
or
something
to
that
effect.
I
think,
unfortunately,
we're
now
at
the
point
where
you
started:
painting
the
room
in
one
corner
and
you're.
B
Now
there
with
the
bucket
and
all
around,
you
is
wet
paint
and
hopefully
you're
at
the
door,
but
if
you're,
not
you're
in
real
trouble
and
I,
think
we're
all
at
that
location
and
I'm,
not
sure
you
know
how
we
deal
with
it
and
I
think
that
at
that
point
you
really
have
to
start
looking
at
some
of
the
other
standards
in
terms
of
now.
Looking
at
the
house
and
I
think
none
of
us
have
been
talking
about
it.
B
We
had
one
person
asking
about
materials
and
I
have
to
say
that
color
is
not
within
our
purview
at
all.
Whoever
asked
about
the
color
of
the
of
the
adjoining
house
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
that's
simply
a
representation
on
the
drawing
or
you
intend
to
match
the
adjoining
house,
but
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
any
say
over
it
anyway.
I
think
my
understanding
of
the
ordinance
and
Carlos
can
correct
me
is
that's
not
you
know.
We
can
say
nice
that
you're
doing
it
in
brick,
but
not
necessarily
the
color
of
brick.
The.
J
I
sort
of
but
I
totally
agree
with
Elliot
on
this
is
like
years
we're
stuck
with
a
lot
with
trees
on
it,
we're
really
to
build
on
it
and
save
these
trees.
The
house
has
to
be
so
small
that
it
makes
absolutely
it.
We've
been
replanted
and
you
would
have
had
a
really
like
two
lots
to
size
Lots.
Maybe
so
you
could
put
pull
the
house
away,
and
now
we
are
slated
stuck
with
a
piece,
a
lot
which
you
know
this
was
planted
way
before
my
time
on
the
Commission
and
I.
J
A
I
I
mean
I
I,
hear
your
feelings
that
were
hamstrung,
I
mean
the
work,
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure.
That's
a
bad
thing.
I
mean
the
the
ordinance
grants
us
the
rights
as
a
Preservation
Commission
to
make
certain
decisions
over
private
lot
owners
and
it
reserves
to
private
lot
owners
for
good
reason.
Other
rights
and
the
City
Council's
made
those
decisions
and
the
City
Council
passed
number
one,
a
specific.
You
know
specific
subdivision
plat
with
specific
provisions
on
trees.
A
Here
the
City
Council
simultaneously
passed
in
ordinance,
which
generally
would
exempt
out
all
residential
all
Lots
under
two
acres.
I
think
that
today
my
personal
belief
is
that
that
balance
going
forward
needs
to
be
changed.
I
think
all
of
our
environmental
awareness
is
different.
I
think
we
all
might
feel
I
feel
certainly
that
in
the
future
there
should
be
an
ordinance.
The
potentially
restricts
trees
from
this
being
torn
down,
and
maybe
that
the
City
Council
will
decide.
There
are
certain
intrusions
that
might
be
merited
on
private
landowners
who
want
to
cut
down
large
trees.
I.
A
A
While
it
may
be
frustrating
that
we
can't
exercise
general
powers
in
the
public,
good
I
think
you
know,
the
balance
is
that
private
lot
owners
have
rights.
In
this
case
the
City
Council
made
this
decision
I,
don't
think
the
same
decision
would
or
should
be
made
today,
but
I.
You
know
again:
I
I,
don't
I
care
about
the
trees
as
much
as
anybody
in
this
room
does.
A
But
I
think
there
are
good
reasons
why
the
City
Council
should
have
to
pass
an
ordinance
that
has
safeguards
that
are
not
available
today
to
be
decided
on
that
the
City
Council's
not
decided
on
and
they're.
You
know
and
I
think
as
commissioners
we
would
want
to
have
standards
that,
to
the
extent
we
are
telling
people
you
must
follow
the
law
that
there's
a
law.
Q
Regarding
the
standard
number
five
about
the
rhythm
of
spacing
and
structures
on
streets,
I
guess
I,
don't
feel
that
the
proposed
design
necessarily
adheres
to
that
with
the
houses
that
are
along
oriented
in
particular,
now
I
wasn't
part
of
some
of
the
discussions
earlier.
I
read
the
minutes
and
whatnot,
but
I
don't
recall
previous
discussions
about
that.
Could
you
all
remind
me
if
there
was
something
I'm
missing
about
how
just
discussing
the
proposed
plan
and
just
how
it
fits
with
input?
Q
Your
own
reads
apart
the
rhythms
facing
in
structures
on
streets,
the
relationship
of
a
structure
or
object
to
the
open
space
between
it
and
adjoining
structures
or
objects
in
the
set
back
from
the
public.
We
shall
be
visually
compatible
with
the
property
structure
sites.
Public
ways
objects,
places
to
which
it
is
visually
related,
and
so
I
am
reading
that
and
seeing
where
along
Warrington,
you
do
have
all
of
these
long
narrow
lots
of
a
certain
scale
of
houses
along
the
way
and
they're
all
similar
height
and
and
with
the
bandwidth.
Q
And
then
you
have
a
corner
lot,
which
is
very
complicated,
trying
to
Train
to
accommodate
the
visual
pattern
that
you
see
a
la
Norrington,
but
then
it
also
has
to
turn
the
corner
and
accommodate
the
visual
pattern.
That's
a
long
or
inton
and
I
guess
for
my
eye.
I
just
I'm
not
quite
sure
that
it
meets
that
standard.
Could
you
all
remind
me
if
there's
some
discussion
about
about
the
but
the
patterns
that
you're
seeing
along
both
vistas.
B
Focus
on
trees,
trees
and
trees,
real
and
and
in
fact
you
have
to
look
at
all
of
the
standards
and
one
disadvantage
and
I
didn't
I.
Keep
going
back
through
this
path
is
that
in
the
past,
some
of
us
here
on
the
Commission
have
even
been
unhappy
than
we've.
Seen
two-dimensional
representations
of
the
whole
block,
many
of
you,
but
where
we've
seen
we
can
discuss
the
heights,
the
facades,
the
rhythm
of
the
openings,
etc,
etc.
B
With
the
exception
of
two
renderings
here
that
barely
show
me
Lincoln
and
show
a
little
piece
of
orange
and
behind
some
trees.
I
would
not,
if
I
weren't,
able
to
see
the
site
itself
be
able
to
objectively
discuss
literally
starting
with
standard
one
and
I
guess
I'll
stop
at
six.
I
won't
worry
about
materials
in
texture
and
possibly
even
a
and
and.
B
And
maybe
some
of
my
fellow
commissioners
can
but
I
don't
understand
how
we
can
discuss
some
of
those
relationships
given
what
we're
looking
at.
If
we
were
looking
at
this
as
any
other
application
that
we've
seen,
maybe
seeing
something
about
adjoining
houses
down
the
block
around
the
corner
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
regardless
around
the
corners
problematic
here.
But
it's
true,
but
at
least
what
is
the
relationship
of
some
of
those
elements
of
this
house?
B
B
C
C
C
It
does
block
it
a
little,
but
you
can
look
at
the
plat
and
the
spacing
between
those
houses
and
the
height
of
those
houses
are
within
the
height,
is
within
inches
I.
Think
it's
a
few
inches
smaller
shorter
and
the
the
spacing
is
the
same.
Exact
setback
that's
required
that
was
required
on
the
the
red
brick
house
and
the
yellow
house
right
there
that
was
set
for
us
to
build
with
him
same
with
the
front
yard
and
a
side
yard.
This
is
another
version
you
can
see
them
that
way.
C
The
the
somebody
come
into
the
it
juts
out
a
little
bit.
It
actually
doesn't
it's
actually
right
in
line
with
the
the
other
houses
on
orange
and
the
porch
might
extend
a
little
bit,
but
so
does
some
of
the
other
houses
along
Warrington.
As
you
can
see,
two
houses
down
that
the
site
map
just
showing
a
portion
of
that
other
house.
C
Again
with
the
trees
ER
and
it
was
hard
to
see
down
Lincoln,
but
you
can
see
the
spacing
and
the
height
of
this
house
as
well,
and
there
is
a
mandatory
step
back
from
that
le
that
we
had
have
to
comply
with
that.
We
did
which
the
house
to
your
right
did
as
well
so
and
the
depth
of
it.
This
way
is
the
is
this
same
setback
that
was
required
for
the
house
to
your
right
as
well,
but.
B
I
think
you,
you
missed
my
question.
Maybe
and
I.
Maybe
it's
my
fault:
I
mean
I,
don't
even
see
a
site
plan
here
of
the
entire
site.
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
noticed
that
we've
got
about
five
site
plans
in
this
packet
and
all
of
them
simply
show
you
the
parcels.
There
isn't
a
single
one.
That
shows
me.
You
know
the
footprint
of
all.
B
You
know
whether
we
used
to
call
in
the
school
figure-ground
relationships
or
whatever
those
architecture
people
around
here,
but
at
least
seeing
you
know
when
you're
talking
about
the
setbacks
and
all
the
rest,
I
don't
see
that
I
don't
see
a
drawing
that
showed
me
the
adjoining
Lots
in
plan
with
buildings
on
them.
You've
shown
the
tree
maps.
You've
shown
the
empty
Lots
as
they
were
set
out
by
the
surveyor.
But
even
when
you
talk
about
this
adjoining
house-
and
you
say,
you've
set
back,
it's
not
a
question
of
here's.
B
B
But
then
we
turn
the
corner.
You
hate
I
mean
a
straight
on
elevation
without
the
trees
and
all
the
rest,
showing
five
houses
showing
what
they
look
like.
Turning
the
corner
and
doing
the
same
thing
it
just
isn't
here
if
I
want
to
make
a
very
objective
evaluation
and
I'm
sticking
to
literally
you
know,
I
was
I
was
saying:
let's
stop
at
one
through
six
and
I
sort
of
went
around
the
corner
for
a
couple
of
the
others,
but
you
know
those
are
you
know
you
wanted
us
to
approve
the
house.
J
Elliot
is
that
each
of
these
houses
was
really.
However,
you
want
to
interpret
this.
We
have
looked
at
these
houses
separately.
Each
of
them
is
like
a
different
style.
I
mean
there
is
no
context
that
these
are
all
these
were
all
new
house
at
one
point
on
an
you
know,
an
open,
let's
say
when
the
Kendall
College
were
that
was
so
divided
and
open
plat
and
they
were
not
thought
of
as
I
mean
we're
looking
at
it.
J
There
was
not
a
general
context
for
all
of
these
houses,
and
so
it's
really
hard
to
make
an
argument
in
my
mind
now,
when
you're
looking
at
a
single
house
and
saying
well
I
understand
that
you
could
have
more
drawing,
but
really,
if
you
even
look
at
the
adjacent
houses
that
we
can
see,
not
a
long
wait.
What's
the
main
street
that
we
can't
see
is
that
link
the
Lincoln
yeah.
H
B
Breathe:
okay,
because
that
when
that
other
I
don't
think
it's
your
firm,
whoever
used
to
show
up
every
couple
of
months
with
with
a
with
two
or
three
houses
at
a
crack,
we
were
looking
at
two
or
three
houses
and
we
were
in
fact
evaluating
them
in
relation
to
one
another.
I
think
there
were
enough
of
us
on
the
Commission
for
at
least
the
last
half
dozen
of
those
where
the
the
discussion
used
to
really
be
about
those
houses
and
how
they
related
to
one
another.
We're
not
asking
him
to
copy
the
houses.
B
A
You
gone
and
I
mean
we've
been
doing
this
for
eight
months.
Have
you
gone
to
see
that
I
mean
I've
walked
this
lot
four
times
you
know
I
think
certainly
walking
the
lot.
I
mean
you
see
the
entire
picture,
I
don't
think
there's
any
I
mean
it
would
actually
serve
a
purpose
to
have
to
delay
to
have
drawings,
I
mean
I.
There
was
I
think
when
the
last
house
was
approved.
Simply
you
know
a
diagram
of
where
just
the
lack
of
where
each
house
was
would.
B
A
B
B
A
R
So
back
in
May
14th,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
and
even
comments
specifically
about
the
scale
of
the
house
and
why
it
was
maximized
to
the
building
line
and,
in
my
opinion,
based
on
standard
10.
I,
really
don't
think
that
any
effort
was
given
to
try
to
work
with
that
and
modify
that
to
address
the
objects
in
the
site
and
the
character
of
that
district.
I
think
the
house
has
come
back
and
it's
the
same
scale.
It's
still
maximum
building
lot.
R
R
The
scale
of
the
house
is
too
big
for
that
site:
I,
don't
think
any
effort,
even
from
back
in
May,
when
we
made
comments
about
it,
I
don't
think
in
any
effort
was
made
to
change
that
or
to
work
with
the
site.
I
think
we've
been
given
this
design
several
times
now,
and
none
of
that
was
adjusted
and,
in
my
opinion,
I
just
don't
think
that
like
standard
was
met
in,
in
my
my
mind,
so.
H
H
Q
Concur
with
that
and
I
appreciate
the
history
of
the
discussions.
I.
Thank
you
for
that
and
for
number
five
I'm
still
a
corner
lot.
I
think
requires
such
unique
consideration
for
252
views.
Not
only
the
fact
that
there's
a
park,
caddy
corner
also
I,
just
don't
think
it
met
that
met
those
standards
for
number
five
Anton
I.
B
I
think
I
read
that
it's
standard
10
was
very
problematic
for
me.
I
think
I
recognized
the
size
of
a
lot
and
I
recognize
that
the
weights
zoning
now
works
you're
no
longer
into
an
FA
our
situation,
but
I
think
the
scale
and
massing
were
such
that
I
was
actually
very
bothered
by
the
mass
of
the
structure
and
then
to
some
extent
how
it
was
handled
in
terms
of
how
it
turns
the
corner.
A
D
S
S
Let's
get
to
the
fun
part,
so
the
existing
garage
is
a
obviously
non
original.
You've
seen
the
photographs,
it's
not
original,
two-car
garage,
it's
a
combination
of
stucco
and
wood,
siding,
probably
not
a
Dan
Lee
garage,
but
something
period-appropriate.
So
what
would
have
been
a
Damle
garage
and
it's
reached
the
end
of
its
useful
life?
We
are
proposing
a
new
garage
in
roughly
the
same
location,
we're
shifting
a
garage
slightly
to
the
north
and
we're
expanding
it
in
order
to
create
a
mother-in-law
suite
home
office,
whatever
you'd
like
to
call
it.
S
On
the
second
floor,
it
is
not
a
coach
house,
it's
not
intended
to
be
a
coach
house
and
it
isn't
permit.
It
isn't
going
to
be
permitted
to
the
coach
house,
the
photographs,
here's
the
two-car
garage,
you
can
see
the
sagging
roof,
you
can
see
the
elevations
the
deterioration
and
you
can
see
in
comparison
to
the
existing
brick
colonial
structure.
It
is
not
in
keeping
with
that
structure.
S
We
are
proposing
a
two-car
garage
with
a
single
door.
We
are
not
quite
replicating,
but
we
are
adapting
the
2
dormers
from
the
existing
house
on
the
front
connecting
them
with
a
pair
of
windows
in
order
to
create
a
seating
area
on
the
inside.
We
are
introducing
similar
cornice
crown,
moldings
a
gable
ends
and
brackets
that
are
taken
from
the
existing
house,
they're
scaled
more
appropriately
for
the
smaller
garage.
S
We
have
taken
the
same
roof
pitch
from
the
existing
house
and
we
have
extended
a
telescoping
addition
on
the
side,
which
creates
a
an
entrance
for
the
second
floor
space
above
Terrace
doors
to
the
garden
which
extends
to
the
north.
You
can
see
in
this
photograph.
There
is
a
shared
driveway,
so
the
view
of
this
garage,
while
certainly
from
the
alley,
is
from
oaring
ttan
into
the
back
yard.
F
S
So
the
view
from
oaring
ttan
as
you
pass,
you
would
see
the
garage
in
the
distance
again
taking
the
rhythm
of
these
dormers
from
the
main
house
and
adapting
them
to
the
back
of
the
house.
Picking
up
on
the
dentil
mouldings,
the
the
painted
wood
trim,
the
cornice
moldings
and
bringing
them
back
here
as
a
reflection
of
how
this
how
this
garage
has
intended
to
be
developed
in
the
rear
yard.
S
The
other
thing
we've
done
is
re
oriented
the
entrance
to
the
garage
on
access
to
the
back
yard
and
create,
and
will
we
were
placing
a
portion
of
the
fence
on
this
property
in
order
to
make
access
to
that?
This
is
a
white
picket
fence
on
the
inside
that
will
go
back.
This
is
a
board
on
board
fence
in
the
back
yard
that
will
remain
and
be
matched
on
the
other
side.
I
think
there
was
some.
S
S
S
S
Wanted
the
the
mass
of
a
house
of
this
period
and
this
style
would
have
been
one
large
mass
in
any
additions
sleeping
Porsches
things
would
have
been
slightly
smaller
in
keeping
with
the
stylistic
qualities
of
a
historic
house
like
this,
we're
not
attempting
to
mimic
historic
house.
But
we
would
like
the
evolution
of
this
garage
structure
to
feel
like
it's,
in
keeping
with
the
stylistic
cues
of
this
period
in
this
type
of
construction.
H
D
B
Right,
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
21:38,
oaring
ttan
case
19,
PR
es
Oh,
two,
eight
one
for
the
demolition
of
an
existing
two
detached
2-car
stucco
garage
and
the
construction
of
a
new
detached
two-car
garage
with
brick
and
cedar
siding
gable,
roof
with
dormers
on
the
east
and
west
and
aluminum.
Clad
double
hung
windows
with
a
clad
door
and
an
asphalt
shingle
roof.
B
A
B
S
S
E
H
T
T
Basically,
in
August
of
this
year,
we
approached
Carlos
because
we
had
purchased
this
home.
It
was
in
severe
disrepair
and
we
were
advised
by
mr.
Ruiz
that
we
would
first
try
to
repair
our
windows
rather
than
replace
them.
So
we
were
in
agreement
to
do
this.
We
really
wanted
to
try
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
this
home.
It
was
built
in
1890
and
there
was
a
reason
we
bought
it.
So
we
proceeded
to
do
all
our
homework
and
basically
learn
how
to
do
this.
T
T
So,
unfortunately,
despite
our
best
efforts,
we've
come
to
find
out
that
we
will
basically
never
fully
be
rid
of
the
lead
in
the
in
the
window.
Jambs
we
spoke
with
blue
stone,
environmental,
it's
a
lead
abatement
company
at
length
regarding
this,
and
we
were
basically
informed
that
even
after
spending
well,
it's
actually
sixteen
thousand.
T
Instead
of
fourteen
for
LED
abatement
in
the
window,
jambs
LED
basically
state
that
some
amount
of
lead
will
stay
in
the
window.
Jambs
and
the
only
thing
that
they
would
be
able
to
do
would
be
to
encapsulate
the
remaining
jams.
But
research
has
shown
that
encapsulants
not
work
for
a
brief
abrasive
area.
Basically
high
friction
areas,
so
windows
window,
jambs
and
door
jams.
They
don't
recommend
using
and
capsule
anton,
so,
unfortunately,
the
original
money
we
invested
to
make
the
windows
mechanically
usable
and
to
somewhat
remote
to
restore
them
to
a
certain
level.
T
Besides
doing
the
jams
has
basically
now
been
wasted,
I
approached
mr.
Ruiz
again,
and
basically,
we
discussed
coming
here
to
you
guys
and
seeing
if
there
is
any
way
that
we
can
do
window
replacements
and
unfortunately
we
have
three
young
children
that
if
we
did
leave
these
windows
as
they
are,
there
is
a
significant
risk
of
lead
poisoning.
Two
of
my
kids
are
under
the
age
of
6,
which
is
severely
detrimental
for
brain
development.
T
Any
sort
of
lead
dust
in
the
home,
which
would
be
created
with
the
frequent
use
of
these
windows,
would
be
severely
detrimental
to
the
development
brain
development
of
the
kids.
I
am
proposing.
We
are
proposing
to
keep
the
front
windows
of
the
home
intact,
so
the
windows
with
the
the
six
windows
in
the
front
would
stay,
and
we
would
just
take
all
the
necessary
precautions
to
have
our
kids
not
basically
be
around
the.
T
T
Everybody
to
see
that
the
costs
were
facing.
This
is
the
second
portion
of
kind
of
the
predicament
that
we're
in
because
we
have.
Since
we
began
rehabbing
this
home,
we
have
been
faced
with
significant
surprises,
specifically
structurally
there's.
There's
been
a
lot
of
things
that
we
that
never
came
up
in
the
inspection
report
and
basically
our
budget
has
now
doubled
from
where
we
started
we're
self
financing.
This
we
saved
money
the
last
14
years
to
be
able
to
afford
a
home
for
a
family,
I'm,
sorry
and
we're
out
of
money.
So.
T
These
estimates
are
just
something
that
we
we're
really
up
against
a
wall
and
we
cannot
afford
something
that
would
be
in
in
kind.
That
would
look
the
same
as
the
home
now.
I
know
that
in
the
past
the
Commission
has
approved.
Aluminum,
clad
windows
and
I
felt,
like
I,
did
a
lot
of
research
with
different
companies.
I
saw
a
lot
of
windows
live
in
person
and
I
felt
like
this
wasn't
the
cheapest
window,
but
I
felt
like
it
looked
the
closest
to
perhaps
an
aluminum
clad
window.
T
T
T
T
T
D
D
T
Basically,
these
are
the
windows,
as
they
are
seen
from
a
public
way.
This
is
what
could
be
seen
like
I
said.
The
front
windows
are
beautiful,
they
have
the
I
think
I
believe
they're
called
the
eyebrow
windows.
We
are
keeping
them.
We
have
already,
like
I,
said,
spent
money,
making
them
mechanically
operational
as
well
as
well
as
refinishing
them.
T
This
is
kind
of
the
various
conditions
that
they
are
in.
You
can
see
some
new
chain
like
the
new
chains.
This
is,
after
we
had
them
repaired
and
and
changed
out
like
the
cord.
Some
of
them
were
just
painted
shut,
and
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
that
we
have
attempted
to
how
did
I
say
deal
ed,
the
jams,
but
it's
just
it's
it's
an
extreme,
it's
just
basically
impossible
and
after
we
realized
how
difficult
it
was
when
we
reached
out
to
professionals.
They
also
said
that
you
would
never
actually
be
completely
rid
of
it.
T
T
T
T
T
H
T
T
And
another
I
had
two
suggestions
for
the
design
of
the
windows:
I,
just
kind
of
thought
that,
for
the
sake
of
uniformity,
that
we
could
just
have
one
type
of
window,
if
we
were
allowed
to
replace
them,
have
it
all
be
one
and
I
researched
it
and
I
found
that
this
kind
of
style
of
window
was
very
common
in
craftsman
homes.
So
that's
why
I
suggested
that
the
other
suggestion
was
just
keeping
it
as
close
to
what
the
house
has
now,
but
they
they're
all
different
now
so.
T
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
other
question
I'm
happy
to
have
you
take
a
look
at
the
window
closer
if
you're
interested
I
I
mean
I
I
did
I
did
a
lot
of
research
on
this
in
my
in
my
spare
time,
having
three
kids
and
I
really
feel
like
you
know,
for
I
was
trying
to
bridge
the
aesthetic
and
financial
gap,
and
this
is
truly
I
felt
like
a
very
solid
good
window,
and
there
is
the
option
of
having
interior
grids
and
you
could
change
it
to
whatever
your
liking
is
and
have
it
be
more
of
a
craftsman
and
or
nothing
at
all.
T
J
T
T
J
T
Can
be
for
sure,
yeah
you're,
right,
I
I've,
seen
it
I've
seen
it
in
person.
The
thing
is,
though-
and
this
is
something
that
I
also
considered
I
mean,
do
we
put
them
in
at
all,
or
do
we
not
put
any
in
and
just
so
that
we
don't
have
some
trying
to
be
something
else.
I
also
thought
at
the
distance
that
all
of
these
windows
would
be
from
a
public
way.
T
B
T
H
J
T
J
A
T
Q
A
Q
H
U
R
R
So
that
was
clear
with
the
windows
and
what
you
were
changing
and
the
sizes.
Typically,
we
do
see
a
section
of
your
existing
window,
which
shows
in
cross-section
what
the
profiles
of
the
window
pieces
are
mm-hmm,
because
often
we're
very
particular
about
what
that
profile
is
on
the
exterior
versus
what
you're
putting
in
and
I
think.
That's
probably
why
my
fellow
commissioners
have
asked
for
this
section
detail
of
the
new
window.
Mm-Hmm
and
I
know
that
you've
said
that
this
window
looks
similar
to
yours.
R
I
think
it
is
helpful
for
us
to
see
those
two
drawings
side-by-side
mm-hmm
with
dimension
strings
just
so
that
we
can
kind
of
compare
it
exactly
it's
nice
to
see.
The
pictures
and
you've
showed
us
a
lot
of
that.
It
is
nice
to
see
just
like
in
a
in
a
drawing
in
my
two
cents
on
this.
This
is
that
I,
don't
think.
J
Mean
I
want
to
say,
I
really
understand
the
cost
implications
I
drove
by
the
house.
It's
a
really
great
house.
It
looks
like
a
lot
of
work
still
and
it's
an
expense
and
I
understand
that.
It's
just
for
me.
It's
very
hard
to
approve
a
vinyl
window
because
of
it
just
we
haven't.
It
does
set
a
precedence
about
what
we're
doing
here.
I.
Think
as
a
commission,
be
you
know
if
you
go
back
to
those
original
standards,
wait.
J
But
it's
it's
a
hard
one
to
sort
of
say
you
know
in
this
instance
and
I
understand
the
costs.
I
really
do
I'm
an
architect.
I
do
understand
these,
but
it
will
not
look
like
the
windows.
The
the
grid
the
grid
on
the
inside
will
not,
if
you
take
it
away,
the
scale
will
not
look
like
what
was
there
and
so.
J
You
know
I
understand,
but
it's
it's
a
tough
one
and
I
I
really
appreciate
you
purchasing
the
house
and-
and
maybe
did
you
think
about
trying
to
do
like
some
of
the
windows
replace
some
of
them
and
then
wait
on
others
and
just
try
to
repaint
the
ones
you
know
where
it
paint
is
chipping
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
the
other
thing
about
the
abatement
of
paint.
J
H
T
Stripping
that
is
giving
me
a
huge
deal
on
all
of
the
trim
in
my
home,
so
that
I
can
keep
it
and
not
just
purchase
something
from
Menards.
So
I
am
I
mean
I'm,
not
that's
great
I
I
told
her.
There's
a
REIT
like
I
said:
there's
a
reason:
I
bought
this
home
and
I'm
fighting
an
immense
fight
financially
emotionally
to
try
to
give
that
bring
this
home
back
to
light
because
it
was
severely
neglected
severely
and,
unfortunately,
I.
Don't
feel
that
I
can
leave
some
windows.
T
I
can
leave
the
front,
that's
worth
the
risk
and
the
sacrifice
to
leave
the
front,
but
I
can't
live
in
a
home
where
I
can't
open
a
window
because
I'm
worried
about
the
dust
dust
flying
and
then
my
toddler
crawling
into
it
and
I
mean
that
believe
it
or
not.
That
happens,
and
my
husband
and
I
just
from
working
on
the
house
that
this
sort
of
the
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
so
far,
my
husband
does
have
led
in
the
system
he
tested
4.2.
We
you
treated
at
five
and
obviously
I.
T
T
At
the
same
time,
and
perhaps
you
can
say
it
was
poor
decision
making,
but
I
really
I
feel
that
I,
we
really
did
the
best
that
we
could
given
the
information
we
had
before
we
purchased
this
home,
and
actually
we
were
told-
and
this
is
something
that
I
will
say-
I'm
not
in
I'm,
not
defending
our
decision.
But
we
were
told
by
the
real
estate
agent
by
the
owner
that
we
only
had
to
keep
the
front
windows
I'm.
J
Really
sorry
about
that,
you
know
what
this
is.
This
happens.
I
have
seen
this
happen
with
Realtors
there,
a
myriad
of
Architects
in
the
city
of
Evanston
who
and
Carlos
so
I'm.
Just
speaking
up
for
this
Carlos
here
at
the
city,
what
you
can
find
the
information
you
can
go
online.
Now
we
rewrote
the
guidelines.
J
T
And
and
I
once
again,
I
wanted
to
keep
the
windows
and
that's
why
I
paid
fifty
two
hundred
dollars
to
have
them
mechanically,
all
of
them
fixed
all
of
them
work.
Now
they
didn't
before
they
we
replaced.
We
went
several
different
online
stores
and
eBay
to
find
the
right
chains
for
this
home.
The
weights
were
found,
some
of
them
had
fallen
down
to
the
basement,
like
we
did.
T
The
work
I
wanted
to
keep
these
windows
I
legitimately
did
I
was
extremely
sad
to
find
out
that
guess
what
the
the
lead
in
the
jams
is
something
that
you
cannot
be
rid
of
and
I
just
can't
take
that
risk
for
my
family
I
simply
I'm
in
a
very
difficult
position
here.
I
really
cannot
risk
my
family,
my
family's
health,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
I
don't
have
my
lowest
quote,
was
thirty
nine
five
for
aluminum,
clad
I
I
simply
do
not
have
thirty-nine
thousand
dollars
I.
Don't
this
house
has
swallowed
up
everything.
B
Question
about
the
lead,
I
didn't
quite
understand
why
it's
in
the
jams
I
mean
this
has
been
a
big
issue
with
window
removal
replacement
for
about
the
last
I
don't
know
about
ten
years
ago,
maybe
less
EPA
came
out
with
all
these
requirements
and
suddenly
every
single
window
replacement
contractor
discovered
that
he
was
going
to
be
investing
in
hepa
filters
and
almost
encapsulating
the
house
as
he
replaced
the
windows
and
it's
a
whole
procedure.
They
have
to
seal
up
the
inside,
there's
some
ironies
to
that.
B
They
they
put
all
sorts
of
stuff
outside
collect
all
the
windows
collect
they've
ground
off,
and
then
they
can
literally
take
that
entire
piece
of
plastic
with
all
of
the
lead
and
just
throw
it
into
your
garbage.
Can
because
there's
no
disposal
requirement
other
than
protecting
the
house.
But
what
what
I
don't
understand
is
I
mean
number
one
is
of
this
particular
contractor.
You
know:
is
he
telling
you
that
he
because
I
don't
see
anything
in
these
proposals?
Let's
say:
I'm
complying
cuz.
T
B
T
No,
he
is
I,
have
the
application
I
actually
filed
just
to
get
things
moving,
because
we're
in
such
a
terrible
time
crunch,
I,
I
kind
of
pre
filed
the
application
for
just
because
I
know,
there's
like
several
days
of
approval
several
weeks
of
approval,
so
he
had
to
sign
a
paper
saying
that
he
was
compliant
with
the
I
believe.
Is
it
our
RP
procedures?
T
Licensed
for
yes,
they
are
like
yeah
and
he
signed
and
yes
that
they
are.
There
they're,
actually
a
pretty
big
company
they're
a
local
company,
but
they're
a
very
big
company
in
Chicago,
and
they
do
this
quite
a
lot.
And
yes,
they
would
do
all
that,
but
that
this
was
also
the
reason
why
I
wanted
to
do
this
before
we
moved
in
obviously
and
before
several
other
stages
of
late
work.
T
Q
J
So
there's
no
trim
and
then
you
have
to
take
the
whole
frame
out
and
all
of
that
of
the
existing
window,
because
it's
all
painted
yes
just
and
then
you're
gonna
put
so
here's
another
thing
about
I
just
want
to
say
this
about.
Vinyl
windows
may
be
the
initial
installations
us,
but
these
windows,
the
reason
you
know,
are
not
I'm.
Just
talking
with
the
longevity
of
the
vinyl
window.
Correct
is
not
you
know
if.
J
J
That
was
that
you
know
the
shingle,
the
wood
shingle
roof
that
we
asked
for
to
be
replaced.
The
cost
of
that
I
mean
we
were
looking
at
the
materiality.
We
were
not
thinking.
We
were
not
talking
about
the
cost
of
that
I.
Just
think
we
should.
We
should
try
to
well.
I
know
it's
case
by
case,
but
I
think
we
should
try
to
think
about
it.
It's
a
hard
one
when
I
understand
these
are
very
costly,
but
should
try
to
think
about
staying
a
course.
I
believe
you.
U
T
U
D
H
D
A
A
Know
we
went
over
the
ordinance
in
light
of
the
current
pending
case,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
speak
of
just
any
economic
culture.
It
says
that
the
Commission
shall
only
approve
an
a
certificate
of
economic
hardship
upon
the
determination
that
the
diol
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
has
resulted
in
the
denial
all
reasonable
use
and
return
from
the
property.
So
it
seems
to
be
talking
about
something
yeah
really
talking
about
rendering
the
property
completely
unusable,
or
perhaps
demolition.
B
It
was
intended
I
think
it
was
intended.
You
know,
for
people
who
were
I
mean
like
the
one
we're
having
you
know
that
he
can't
rent
it
or
sell
it,
or
something
and
and
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
suspect
that
you
know
it
would
be
an
economic
hardship
in
the
sense
that
they
own
a
house
and
can't
live
in
it.
And
it's
a
fairly
major
can.
B
By
the
way,
in
just
going
through
climbeth
Guards
site,
you
know,
I
I
haven't
found
them
yet
I
always
look
for
the
one
star
reviews
and
never
the
five
star
reviews,
but
but
I
was
actually
my
concern
on
your
behalf.
Is
that
they're
warranting
the
product,
but
not
the
sort
of
lifetime
transferable
to
some
future
owner?
Maybe
I
think
what
worries
me
more
is
that
they
don't
seem
to
be
really
saying
anything
about
the
installation
and
I'd
be
much
more
concerned,
particularly
because
of
water,
wind
and
all
the
rest.
B
Those
of
us
who
have
gone
through
this
with
making
sure
that
that's
what
their
warranty
unless
the
product,
the
product
may
last
ten
years
or
whatever
they're
giving
you
that's
about
it
by
the
way
for
whoever
asked
but
I,
you
know
it's
more
about
the
installation.
You
know
if,
once
you
know,
it's
called
gee
water's
coming
in
gee,
that's
too
bad!
We
didn't
warranty
of
that.
You
know
or
we'll
come
back
and
caulk
which
all
of
us
dread
I.
B
B
B
J
Think
that's
what
I
know
that's
in
front
I,
just
don't
I
think
this
is
way
beyond
or
about
you.
I
mean
I!
Think
we
you
know
it
just
is
you
know,
I
mean
to
be
looking
at
costs
and
I
understand
your
particular
your
story
and
it's
like
I
feel
your
pain,
I
live
in
a
hundred
year
old
building
and
we
haven't
replaced
our
windows,
I'm
sure,
there's
let
paint
which
maybe
that's
why
I
am
the
way
I'm,
but
no.
J
Don't
mean
to
make
light,
but
it
but
I
yes,
I
live
in
a
hundred.
It's
it
is
so
I
really
do
nurse
it,
but
I
just
don't
think
that's
you
know
we're
we're.
Looking
at
these
numbers,
I
mean
when
it.
When
do
we
do
I.
Just
am
asking
that
when
do
we
just
do
that
and
then
say:
okay,
this
is
so
expensive.
You
can
use
this
lesson.
O
I
I
Like
to
go
back
to
Mark's
point
earlier,
is
that
we've
been
we're
not
the
City
Council
we've
been
given
the
standards
that
we're
supposed
to
use
in
the
ordinance
by
the
City
Council
and
nowhere
in
the
standards.
Does
it
talk
about
cost
the
economic
hardship
provision
is
there
if
something
is
totally
an
economic
and
rendering
their
family
home
unfit
for
human
habitation?
I
think
you
can
make
an
argument,
but
that's
for
another
time,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
just
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
standards
and
I.
I
H
I
This
house
so
I
think
it's
the
the
two
over
two
designs.
It
seems
to
be
the
historic
model
and
then
how
that
gets
applied
to
some
of
the
window.
Openings
that
may
have
been
changed
in
the
process.
It's
something
to
be
worked
out,
but
I
think
that's
the
other.
Those
three
issues
are
where
I
see
this
not
really
meeting
the
standards.
Mm-Hmm.
A
T
A
You
know
I
think
I
mean
well.
I.
I
certainly
agree
with
Ken
that
it's
the
specific
feature,
the
windows,
I'm,
not
sure
I
mean
I,
couldn't
even
tell
what
was
there
with
the
storms
and
yeah
I,
don't
even
know,
but
in
terms
of
considering
cost
I
mean
you
know,
there's
nothing
that
tells
us
that,
for
example,
you
know
that
we
could
have
higher
expectations
for
a
more
expensive
home
but
I
think
as
a
practical
matter.
A
But
in
this
case
it
seems
very
extreme.
To
me,
I
mean
between
the
fact
that
the
front
facade
would
be
preserved,
which
is
what's
highly
visible
and
they
you
know,
the
cost
issues
are
not
small
I
mean,
for
example,
on
the
house
on
Euclid
Park.
The
costs
actually
of
replacing
with
the
historic
materials
was,
it
was
actually
less
and
his
argument
was
more
15
years
out.
It
would
end
up
costing
more
and
that
wasn't
certainly
an
argument
sufficient
to
convince
me.
J
I
I
really
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
because
we
have
seen
homes
where
the
replacement
was
vinyl
and
there's
one
that
comes
to
mind,
and
it
was
actually
it
was.
Was
this
a
landmark
or
in
a
historic
district,
and
they
just
did
the
work
without
even
coming
before
the
Commission
and
they
put
in
vinyl
windows
and
it
is
and
it's
and
then
they
tremendous
project
this
part,
and
then
they
tried
to
it?
Was
they
tried
to
rescind
the
landmark.
B
H
J
Once
you
have
won,
I
mean
I
believe
that
we're
always
setting
it's
like
anyone
can
use
something
in
the
future.
You
know
to
come
before
us
and
then
say:
well.
We
know
that
this
home,
you
know,
you
accepted
vinyl
windows
and
you
accepted
vinyl
windows
on
every
facade,
but
the
front,
even
though
you
can
actually
see
the
two
sides
from
a
public
way.
I
went
by
the
house
and
so
you've
run
into
its
becomes
really
precarious
to
me,
because
it's
like
okay,
it's
case
by
case,
but
suddenly
we're
really
diminishing.
J
You
know
the
quality
of
the
house
and
and
someone
else
can
use
it
as
an
argument,
because
we're
really
not
supposed
to
be
looking
at,
like
the
individual
who's
doing
the
work
and
how
much
money
they
may
or
may
not
have
to
do
the
work
I
mean
that
is
not
really
a
standard
here.
So
I
think
it's.
It
I
find
that
to
be
dangerous
and
also
expecting
that
someone
who
seems
like
they
have
a
really
big
house,
so
they
must
have
a
lot
of
money.
Those
two
don't
always
necessarily
go
together.
J
The
they
can
do
all
the
work,
and
it
just
you
know
that
we
are
asking
them
to
do
and
that
becomes
a
presumption
that
is
also
dangerous,
so
I,
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
kind
of
stay.
Oh
I,
you
know
we
we're
we're.
We
have
changed
our
opinions
about
always
the
restoration
of
windows,
even
though
that
is
actually
probably
what
National
Park
Service
you
know
wants
us
to
do
or
what
they
say.
B
Fiber,
glass,
windows,
I
think
one
at
one
of
the
difficulties
is
and
I
was
talking
to
Carlos
about
it
and
then
to
you
Julie
today
that
I
don't
even
know
when
aluminum
you
know,
entered
the
scene
and
suddenly
you
know
the
aluminum
clad
window
became
okay,
I've,
never
seen
a
document
and,
as
I
think
I
said
today
that
you
know
there
ought
to
be
something
set
down
to
the
point
where
we
have
it,
as
this
is
how
the
Commission
has
determined
it.
You
know
we're
all
sort
of
doing
it
as
well.
B
J
Have
asked
we
have
asked
in
terms
of
well,
you
know
in
terms
of
wood
windows,
and
we
said
we
would
prefer
I
notice.
We
would
prefer
that
there
be
wood
windows
and
SDL's
came
in
a
simulated,
divided
light
window
sort
of
came
into
the
picture
when
they
could
actually
make
a
reason
to
a
reasonable
facili
of
an
existing
historic
window
that
had
that
was
single
glazed
with
like
a
7/8
inch,
mutton
and
those
things
could
be
reproduced
with
a
thermapen
window
and
I.
B
I'm
saying
that,
if
you
know
if
you
anodized
the
aluminum,
it's
gonna
change
color
over
time
and
you're
not
going
to
go
back
and
paint
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
that
aren't
really
there
and
and
I
think
that
you
know
this.
Isn't
it's
unfortunate
to
be
sitting
here
and
discussing
it
with
a
case
pending,
as
opposed
to
having
said
and
I
think
we
talked
about
this,
the
do
we
all
hide
in
the
woods
for
the
retreat
and
discuss
nothing
but
windows
in
appropriate
materials,
because
I
think
it's
it's
such
a
big
issue.
B
B
J
D
E
Don't
know
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
gonna
resolve
that
question
tonight,
the
issue
I
have
goes
back
to
some
of
what
ken
says
is
well.
First
of
all
the
the
precedent
I
mean,
if
I
I
hear
the
concerns
about
LED
they're
huge
concerns,
I
applaud
the
work.
That's
been
done
on
the
windows,
there's
some
school
of
thought
that
once
you
do
get
like
well
operating
oiled
windows
with
the
addition
of
a
light
coat
of
paint
and
always
keeping
them
sliding
you
don't
get
the
friction
that
leads
to
the
lead.
E
The
lead
is
a
big
concern
when
they're
deteriorated
and
it's
great
that
you've
spent
time
fixing
them
up.
If,
if
we
went
to
the
point
of
historic
we
have,
we
haven't
allowed
vinyl
windows
in
historic
districts,
and
if
we
get
to
the
point
where
we're
concerned
about
lead
and
will
allow
vinyl
windows,
then
that's
a
huge
precedent
that
we're.
E
You
know,
and
we
can't
for
reasons
we
discussed
in
what
we're
given,
there's
a
reason
that
the
economic
hardship
bar
hasn't
been,
it
hasn't
been
used
and
the
bar
is
so
high
because
you
know
it's
not
it
as
as
much
as
I
he'll
hear
and
feel
for
the
the
predicament
it's
I.
Don't
think
that
it's
something
that
we
can
apply
equally
across.
E
B
I
I
think
the
issue
of
the
mountains
shouldn't
even
be
discussed
because
there
aren't
mountains
there.
The
in
only
between
the
glass
stuff
is
just
as
bad
as
the
old
fellas
that
used
to
put
the
grid
out
on
the
ends
of
your
window,
that
you
could
snap
off,
so
you
could
wash
your
windows
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
Let
me
ask
a
really
sort
of
not
so
dumb
question,
which
is
standard
number,
ten
and
and
and
whether
that
can
in
this
particular
case
can
I
hate
to
say,
you'd
be
used
as
a
rationale,
but
I
will,
because
we're
only
we're
talking
about
inserting
an
item
that
can
be.
You
know,
we've
always
talked
about
canopy
readily
removed,
can
it
be
readily
replaced
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
in
this
particular
case
you
know
I'm
looking
at
that.
B
J
Think
that
is
I,
don't
you
know
you're
not
going
to
the
windows
to
be
removed.
What
happens
to
we
haven't
even
talked
about
what
happens
to
the
trim
on
the
exterior
in
the
way
the
vinyl
window
goes
in
in
the
opening,
because
we
haven't
seen
those
sections
and
if,
if
we
start
interpreting
number
ten
in
that
way,
it's
like,
then
you
might
just
as
well.
J
You
know
talk
about
any
opening
any
door
and
all
of
the
cases
that
have
come
before
us
or
anything,
and
that
just
is
so
far
from
my
sure,
setting
of
what
we've
been
doing
all
of
this
time-
I
just
no
I,
don't
think
but
I
don't
agree,
but
I
do
think
Elliot.
What
you
said
is
when
we
have
our
retreat,
which
we
should
have.
We
should
be
able
to
actually
kind
of
cement.
What
windows
we
have
approved?
Why?
What
they
are?
We
might
want
samples.
J
T
T
Like
mr.
duddeck
said
in
the
past,
aluminum
clad
was
approved
at
some
point
in
time.
I,
don't
I
legitimately.
Don't
think
that
this
material
of
this
window
is
visually
different
from
an
aluminum
clad
window.
As
far
as
the
frame
is
concerned,
I'm
willing
to
leave
out
the
muttons,
if
that
is
a
terrible
thing
to
look
at
which
I
agree
like
it
does
not
look
the
same
I'm
on
your
side,
completely
I
think
the
wear.
T
If
these
windows
are
kept
and
I
just,
please
ask
you
to
reconsider,
because
if,
if
I
can't
replace
these
windows,
I
don't
know
how
I
can
move
my
family
into
this
home,
there's
just
the
it's
a
there's,
a
difference
in
adults
living
in
this
home
and
using
the
windows
and
then
there's
a
significantly
different
situation
when
there's
children
living
in
the
home,
my
kids
track
things
all
the
time
they
sit
on
the
window,
sills,
they're,
kids,
and
if
you
say
no
I
really
don't
know
what
I
can
do.
I
have
no
other
alternative.
R
T
T
J
J
Q
I
think
that
these
standards,
they
certainly
do,
allow
you
to
replace
the
windows,
because
there
is
a
hazard.
There
is
a
hazardous
or
dangerous
condition.
I
think
that
that
is
clear
and
the
standard
that
you
can
replace.
It
I
think
where
I'm
having
the
trouble
and
where
it
gets
stuck,
is
what
you're
replacing
it
with
and
and
I
went
through
the
same
exact
thing
as
you
did
four
years
ago,
and
so
I
definitely
understand
what
you're
facing
and.
I
A
D
A
H
D
A
D
D
D
D
B
H
A
H
A
H
E
Just
give
a
quick
report:
we
have
another
meeting
coming
up
at
the
end
of
the
week.
We've
spent
the
last
couple
months
reviewing
and
talking
on
the
phone
and
to
cities
and
states
across
the
country
more
than
a
dozen
from
the
east
coast
to
the
west
coast,
to
locally
to
compare
our
review
process
and
guidelines
and
with
others
on
the
topic
of
solar
panels
and
we're
happy
to
find
that
we're
kind
of
in
line
with
a
majority.
E
I
know
we
are
I,
think
I
mean
it's
it's
an
encouraging
process,
because
I
think
when
we
come
back
and
as
a
commission
we
can
decide.
But
it's
it's
a
nice
process
that
we're
working
with
sustainability
and
energy
and
and
hope
to
get
clarification
to
the
citizens
of
Evanston
and
have
it
on
all
the
different
sites,
so
that
you
know
it's.
It's
very
clear
kind
of
gives
us
give
more
guidance
and
it's
very
clear
not
just
on
our
site
which
we
can
improve,
but
on
sustainability
and
energy
sites
too.
Well.
A
E
J
We're
yes,
we're
working
towards
that
we're
presenting
something
Kumar's
presenting
something
Nate.
The
first
meeting
was
just
really
information.
We
Nate
Kipnis.
If
you
know
him
presented
something
so
I'm
hot,
yes,
that
we.
Yes,
that's
the
goal
that
we
all
come
to
consensus,
but
I
think
you
know,
guidelines
are
not
going
to
be
written
in
this
committee.
I.
Don't
think
I
think,
like
my
I,
think
the
strategy
would
be
that
we
come
away
with
if
we
can,
with
like
here's
a
direction
that
everyone
can
live
with,
and
then
we
I'm.
J
This
is
what
I'm
thinking
and
we
haven't
had
our
meeting
and
then
we
come
back
to
the
Commission
and
maybe
at
our
retreat,
and
we
try
to
you
know
either
like
and
I
come
back
with
guidelines
that
we
all
review,
and
then
we
have
to
go
back
to
this
committee
and
then
have
them.
You
know,
review
it
and
and
sort
of
rubber
stamp
it
yeah
so
and.
E
E
B
J
Where
I
think
that
what
Allah
knows
we,
okay,
we
have
been
using
or
I,
or
some
of
us
have
been
using
the
national
park
service
standards.
Those
really
are
the
bedrock
for
it,
except
maybe
in
California,
where
it's
it's
it's
there,
but
it's
usurped
by
local
Commission's,
our
usurped
by
the
state,
but
so
that
is
really
the
foundation,
but
it
isn't
written
anywhere
and
it
isn't
clear
anywhere
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
that's
what
we're
talking
about
that.
That's
a
comment
that
is
common
throughout
the
country.
J
It
seems
that
they're
still
basing
on
it.
So
no,
but
no
one
is
there's
an
emphasis
on
not
denying
solar
panels
which
we
don't
want
to
do,
but
there's
also
an
emphasis
on
kind
of
you
know:
I'm
in
terms
of
the
front,
facades
and
minimizing
them
on
roofs
like,
as
in
the
National
Park
Service
those
recommendations.
All
of
those
things
like
how
can
you
work
with
the
homeowner
to
emit
exhort
of
mitigate
those
issues?
And
so
that's
that's
a
comment.
J
And
not
just
yeah
right
and
it's
not
sin
I
just
want
this
because
I
know
this
came
up
last.
No,
that
may
be
the
meeting
before
last,
where
it
isn't
really
simply
like
you
can
take
them
off.
I
mean
that
isn't
the
single
that's,
maybe
an
idea
that
you
can
just
remove
them
so
they're,
okay,
but
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
it
and
serve
them
more
in
a
larger
framework.
Also,
we
have
to
look
at
what
happens
when
you
put
something
on
like
a
slate
roof.
How
are
those
connections
made?
E
E
We
talk
about
those
things
you
know
as
they
are
in
our
our
standards,
Secretary
of
Interior
standards
and
our
standards,
but
I
don't
think
we
we
ask
people
as
clearly
as
we
do
for
Windows
say
to
provide
certain
things,
so
we
can
make
our
decision
and
make
it
as
clear
to
people
as
some
other
places
and
their
guidelines
about
like
these
are
the
primary
facades
we're
talking
about.
These
are
in
motion.
The.
J
Curtains,
the
and
then
the
other
thing
is
like
a
lot
of
cities
are
just
developing
guidelines
because
it's
even
though
solar
panels
have
been
around
it's,
there
haven't
really
been
great
guidelines.
All
over
I
mean
you
find
it
in
the
and
like
California
and
Dunn
and
Colorado,
and
but
you
know
further
east,
we
will
look
at
Cambridge
and
you
just
you
know,
they're
just
developing
them.
They
haven't
been
approved
yet
so.
E
J
I
think
I
think
it's
like
well.
Okay.
So
if
you
go
on
site,
you
look
at.
We
have
like
four
guidelines
up
for
Windows,
for
instance,
I
mean
there's
package
of
what
you
would
submit,
so
you
can
see
like
the
steel
windows
seal
session.
Maybe
those
things
we
look
at
again,
but
there's
already
it's
sort
of
a
packet
of
what
you
would
look
at
for
Windows.
We
have
nothing
for
solar
panels
and
I
think
they
should
be
rather
broad
and
not
really
prescriptive.
J
A
That
said
that,
there's
it's
legitimate
for
us
to
have
some
standards
and
so
that
that's
from
I
mean
you
know.
The
city
wants
this
issue
looked
at,
but
I
think
from
our
point
of
view.
It
will
help
people
before
us
will
help
us
make
decisions,
and
then
it
will
make
our
decisions
enforceable,
which
I
really
weren't
able
to
enforce
that
decision.
Even
and
we
got
voted
down
like
9
to
nothing
and.
J
I
think,
more
importantly,
and
for
me
this
is
the
case.
I
don't
know
anyone
who
went
to
the
camp
that
we
had,
but
you
know,
sustainability
and
preservation
should
go
hand-in-hand.
They
should
not
be
separate.
We
should
not
be
seen
as
obstructionist
for
these
issues
and
the
only
way
that's
going
to
happen
is
hopefully
through
this
committee,
where
you
know
Kumar
as
I
board
and
we're
on
board
with
him
and
so
that
we
can
work
together
and
maybe
there's
some
public
outreach
in
terms
of
not
just
these
solar
panels.
But
how
do
you
make?
J
How
do
you
read
hability,
you
know
historic
home,
make
it
more
energy-efficient,
like
these
are
really
big
issues
and
they're,
not
really
I,
don't
if
they're
addressed
through
the
sustainability
site.
Preservation
is
not
piggybacking
on
to
that,
and
that
I
think
is
a
real
big
problem
here
in
Evanston.
It
shouldn't
be,
but
it
has
been,
you
know
so
so
trying
to
segue
into
that,
because
really,
when
we
looked
at
when
I
think
we
looked
at
it,
it's
like
14%
is
that
what
we
spent
14
percent
or
something
like.
J
F
D
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D
A
D
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B
J
A
So
all
right
so
I'm
the
topics
I
think
we
kind
of
at
least
have
some
of
so
Windows
is
obviously
huge
one,
but
I
guess
have
it.
Self-Taught
will
have
to
have
I
mean
I
guess
we
could
even
ask
somebody
to
come
in
for
45
minutes.
I,
don't
know
how
we
should
do
this
I
mean
we
definitely
need
technical
knowledge.
B
H
B
J
H
A
The
agenda
is,
let's
say
by
this
by
my
mother
King
day
and
then
I'll
get
something
back
out
or
get
to
Carlos
to
get
back
out
with
you
know,
proposals
and
alternatives
or
whatever
and
ask
for
you
know
if
there's
any
vote
on
any
the
things
in
doubt,
but
then
I
think
the
only
way
this
is
gonna
be
worthwhile
is,
if
somebody
is
in
one
or
two
people
are
in
charge
of
each
topic,
and
actually
you
know
do
whatever
sister
to
bring
you
know,
like.
Obviously,
Windows
is
the
obvious
case
of
bring
bringing
things
in.
J
I
also
think
we
should
think
about
their
issues
like
what
do
we
need?
If,
if
we
and
do,
we
need
a
need
from
the
city,
how
would
the
city
itself
help
us
in
our
you
know
in
this?
Is
this
in
this
commission
and
it's
and
in
our
role
and
then
what
do
we
think
the
public
might
need
from
us?
I
mean
we've,
never
I,
think
a
why
I
did
a
workshop
along
well,
I,
don't
know
the
first
year.
I
was
a
commissioner
and
but
we
really
haven't
done
that
either.