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A
Okay,
so
we'll
proceed.
So
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
been
to
one
of
our
zoo
meetings,
it
should
work
pretty
much
like
an
ordinary
meeting,
we'll
ask
that
each
applicant
introduce
themselves
and
state
you
know
and
whose
behalf
they're
speaking
we'll
allow
the
applicant
to
make
their
presentation
using
the
packet,
and
we
can
again
move
through
the
packet,
hopefully
just
as
usual
at
your
direction
will
then
allow
the
commissioners
ask
questions
we'll
see
if
there
any
members
of
the
public
which
to
speak,
allow
for
any
debate
and
then
a
vote
on
each
matter.
A
D
And
please
forgive
me
for
missing
any
formalities
here,
but
basically
the
order
of
business
is
Robert.
Hercules
who
lives
on
or
inton
is
looking
to
go
solar
and
like
most
villages
or
homeowners
associations.
If
the
case
is
of
a
condo
association,
which
is
not
there's,
always
a
focus
on,
how
does
it
look
and
how
is
it
going
to
appear
on
the
street,
so
we
were
asked
to
see
if
it
would
be
viable
to
move
the
panels
on
the.
D
If
you
look
at
the
picture
here
on
the
lower
right
front
of
the
house
there,
the
four
panels
we
were
asked
if
we
could
move
those
panels
to
the
back
the
north
side
and
again,
forgive
me
if
you
guys
have
gone
through
this
before
it's
a
reasonable
request.
The
issue,
though,
when
it
comes
to
solar,
is
depending
on
the
steepness
of
the
roof.
If
this
is
south-
and
this
is
north,
if
you
have
a
flatter
roof,
you
can
get
Sun
on
a
North
facing
roof
plane
during
three-quarters
of
the
year.
A
D
This
is
what
the
panel
that
we
were
gonna
use
looks
like
panels
from
all
solar
companies
can
have
any
type
of
look,
they
can
be
bluish,
they
can
have
a
white
background.
This
particular
panel
is
a
black
panel
black
cells
and
what
they
call
a
black
back
sheet.
The
only
thing
that
you
are
seeing
through
the
panels
are
these
little
thin
wires.
The
back
sheet
is
when
you
look
at
a
solar
panel-
and
it
looks
like
blue
with
white
coming
through
the
white-
is
the
back
sheet.
D
In
this
case,
the
back
sheet
is
black,
so
it's
a
very
stylish
looking
panel.
We
also
when
we
install
the
panels
at
the
bottom
towards
the
gutter.
We
install
a
little
what
we
call
a
skirt.
It's
a
black
thing
that
trails
off
the
bottom
of
the
panel
and
it
makes
it
look
like
it's
built
into
the
roof.
So
it's
very
streamlined
the
other
pictures
we
have
the
the
panel
specs,
and
this
was
the
final
design
that
we
came
up
with.
D
We
have
it's
hard
to
see
six
seven,
eight
nine
panels
on
the
southeast
section,
and
then
we
have
six
panels
on
the
southwest
section.
I
will
I
will
say
this:
every
community
has
a
right
to
have
is
symmetrical
of
a
design
as
they
want.
If
we're
looking,
the
customers
typically
want
to
get
a
design.
That's
going
to
maximize
the
amount
of
production
they
can
get
in
this
case,
this
is
the
max
we
can
get.
It
would
be
feasible
if
you
needed
it
to
to
remove
that
single
panel
on
the
bottom.
D
If
we
did
that,
so
you
know
we,
you
can
see
it
I
mean
if
no
one's
really
gonna
see
the
southwest
corner
of
it.
But
you
know
that's
two
rows
of
three
panels:
each.
If
we
just
remove
the
two
panels
at
the
top
of
the
south
east
array
and
the
one
on
the
bottom,
that's
really
gonna
change
it
for
the
customer.
Again,
this
is
a
personal
preference
I'm,
clearly
not
on
the
board
and
I.
D
Don't
work
for
the
the
village,
but
I
would
say
if
we,
if
we're
okay
with
this,
this
will
give
the
customer
what
they
initially
asked
for,
but
if
you
really
want
to
make
it
more
symmetrical
than
we'd
be
happy
to
get
rid
of
that
panel,
that's
by
itself
there.
The
other
designs
that
other
pictures
we
have
are
just
more
of
our
plans.
You
can
see
a
close-up
of
our
fines.
D
You
know
here's
another
look
at
it.
The
you
guys
obviously
know
what
this
is.
The
turquoise
color
is
the
village
fire
setback
I
believe
it's
three
feet
from
the
ridge
line
and
the
rake,
and
so
we
are
not
allowed
to
put
any
panels
in
that
turquoise
zone.
The
next
slide
is
even
more
closer
engineering.
Looking
slide.
That
gets
you
up
close
to
what
the
installation
looks
like
and
that
just
another
view
of
what
it
would
look
like
from
the
street.
A
D
Or
that
might
be
it
and
I,
don't
know
what
your
forgive
me
again.
I,
don't
know
what
your
experience
is
with
solar,
but
there
are
some
things
that
you
guys
can.
If
you
haven't
ruled
on
this,
yet
we
do
exposed
conduit.
D
Some
villages
have
very
strict
rules
on
that
like
they
might
have
to
be
painted,
so
you
can't
see
them
they
have
to
match
the
roof.
Other
villages
require
that
the
conduit
is
in
the
attic
space.
The
problem
we
have
in
having
internal
conduit
in
this
particular
design.
As
you
can
see
at
the
very
top
of
the
house,
that
is
a
living
space,
then
you
can't
have
an
internal
conduit
there
without
breaking
down
drywall,
which
increases
the
customers
expense
to
get
them
solar.
D
D
We
have
a
problem
when
it's
a
finished
space
with
that's
drywall,
because
most
customers,
if
you
tell
them
then
you're
gonna-
have
to
internal
install
the
conduit
internally
and
they
have
a
finished
space
they're
not
willing
to
spend
two
to
three
thousand
dollars
to
have
someone
tear
down
the
drywall
and
you
install
the
conduit
and
put
it
back
up
again.
It's
just
usually
not
feasible,
but,
like
I
said
it
is
within
your
say,
okay!
Well,
all
conduit
has
to
be
painted
to
match
the
roof.
You
guys
can
absolutely
do
that.
D
E
D
It'll,
be
a
loss,
it'll
probably
lose
about
ten
percent.
They
call
it
offsets.
How
much
can
the
solar
offset
the
regular
electricity?
That's
measured
in
percentages,
so
this
particular
design,
as
is
I,
think
is
fifty
percent
offset,
so
fifty
percent
would
comfort.
In
my
opinion,
the
South
is
always
the
most
optimal
place.
Well,
it's
not.
D
In
my
opinion,
the
South
is
always
the
most
possible
optimal
place
to
install
a
solar
array
when
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
and
removing
that
panel
would
probably
drop
the
offset
by
five
to
six
percent,
but
seriously
enough
I
see
that
we
have
that
that
spire
or
that
whatever
that
thing
is
don't
know
how
visible
that
single
panel
would
be.
That's
just
my
no.
E
D
F
I
guess
I'm
on
screen.
Now:
okay,
that's
a
good
one!
This
you
might
as
well
use
that
one
panels.
I.
Think
I
asked
this
last
time,
because
I
look
back
in
my
notes
about
whether
you'd
be
able
to
avoid
some
of
the
issues
if
you
rotated
those
panels
near
the
front
90
degrees,
so
they'd
be
in
the
same
orientation
as
the
ones
back
of
the
chimney
and
whether
you
could
get
another
panel
and
whether
you
could
avoid
some
of
the
asymmetry
whatever
else.
F
That
seemed
to
be
in
my
notes,
along
with
a
question
about
the
white
grid
and
finally,
last
time
we
discussed
that
conduit.
I,
don't
know:
if
were
you
here
last
time,
I
was
not
okay
and
the
discussion
was
yes
that
you
could
go
down
into
the
Attic,
because
the
impression
was
that
it
wasn't
the
finished
attic
that
they
couldn't
run
the
conduit
in
the
Attic.
So
I,
don't
know,
I'm
hearing
things
that
we
I
think
either
asked
about
or
discussed
last
time,
and
it
seems
I.
D
G
D
Because
I
wasn't
there
and
at
the
time
there
was
somebody
living
up
there,
it
wasn't
proper
for
me
to
go
and
look.
If
it
is
an
unfinished
attic,
then
yes,
we
should
be
able
to
do
it.
If
it
is
a
finished
attic
space,
then
it
becomes
a
hardship
for
most
customers
too.
You
just
can't
really
be
done.
It's
not
an
easy
way
to
do.
It
I
think
the
owner.
F
D
Yeah
those
that
the
the
way
that
the
picture
took-
that's
actually
not
white,
those
are
just
wires.
It
is
a
black
on
black,
but
that's
what
they
call
it.
Bo
B.
It's
got
a
black
frame,
black
monocrystalline
cells
and
a
black
back
sheet.
The
wires
you're
going
to
see
no
matter
what
you
do.
But
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
street,
you
know
it's
not
gonna,
really!
Look
like
a
pinstripe
I'd
be
happy
to
share
my
screen
and
kind
of
show
you
kind
of
the
way.
The
light
reflects
it
at
that
angle.
D
F
Work
for
me,
I
use
my
cursor
and
nothing's
happening,
so
it
just
seemed
as
if
you
wouldn't
you,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
go
to
down
from
where
you
are,
but
you'd
probably
be
able
to
get
at
least
three
or
or
across,
and
still
have
that
three-foot
fire
safety
situation.
But
you
might
get
a
few
more
lined
up
with
the
ones
at
the
southwest
yeah.
D
E
F
G
Thanks
Larry
I
do
appreciate
you
know.
One
of
our
questions
was
looking
into
the
feasibility
of
moving
them
to
the
other,
face
and
I
appreciate
you
checking
on
that
feasibility
and
explaining
the
situation
so
that
kind
of
narrows
our
focus
more
and
the
other
elements
and
making
sure
the
design
is
correct.
G
Not
correct,
but
you
know
appropriate
appropriate.
Thank
you
and
I
do
recall
talking
about
whether
or
not
the
conduit
could
be
buried
and
you're
gonna
like
look
into
it
and
come
back
to
us,
I
would
I
guess
I
would
prefer
that
it
is
put
inside.
But
if
not
I,
you
know
if
it's
not
feasible
at
all
than
painting
it
so
that
it
is
it
fades
into
the
roof,
would
be
a
good
option.
D
Like
I
said,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
many
solar
companies
you
guys
have
talked
to
you,
but
if
you'd
like
to
see
I
have
a
bunch
of
photos,
I
can
show
you
various
installations
and
how
the
light
reflects
it's
very
different.
What
makes
solar
so
interesting
right
now
is,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
even
though
it's
been
around
for
years,
it's
really
only
been
active
in
Illinois
on
a
larger
scale
for
two
years.
So
it's
still
it's
not
really
ubiquitous.
Yet
people
are
still
like
I,
don't
like
it
or
I,
don't
like
the
way.
D
C
D
Can
but
when
you
consider
the
fact
that
most
combat
meters,
that's
where
the
conduit
runs
down,
it
runs
down
to
where
the
combat
meters,
usually
in
the
back
of
the
house
or
in
the.
If
it's
on
the
side,
it's
in
the
back
somewhere.
Most
people
won't
see
it,
but
you
know
some
most
of
the
time.
That's
not
painted.
In
fact,
if
I
recall
in
mr.
Hercules
--iz
example
that
the
meter
is
behind
a
chimney,
so
the
chimneys
is
towards
the
street
and
everything
is
behind
it.
D
So
the
panels
are
connected
with
a
rail
system
and
then
there's
what
they
call
rigid
conduit
that
connects
that
and
it
runs
down
whatever
side
of
the
house
goes
through
it,
whatever
stopped
it,
and
then
it
gets
installed
into
a
where
the
inverters
all
converge
into
a
SunRun
meter
or
whatever
the
solar
company
is
and
then
right
into
the
combat
meter,
and
in
most
cases
solar
companies
are
able
to
do
what
they
call
a
supply-side
tap.
This
is
just
sort
of
more
FYI
good
to
know
where
we
kind
of
connect
into
the
house
without
having.
A
H
A
E
A
A
You
know
more
going
the
same
direction
as
the
panel's
to
the
west
and
then
also
you
know
more
definitive
answer
as
to
what
would
it
could
be
done
with
the
conduit,
so
I
think
our
approval
would
be
subject
to
a
kind
of
a
final
sign-off
on
those
aspects
again,
if,
if
a
majority
of
the
commissioners
would
accept
that
is
that
attractive
to
the
commissioners,
so
we
you
know,
we've
we've
already
seen
this
twice
and
probably
don't
want
to
come
back
a
third
month.
I.
D
A
I
think
that's
we
don't
call
it
that,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
summaries.
We
would
approve
it
tonight,
so
you
don't
have
to
come
back
to
the
Commission,
but
the
approval
would
be
subject
to
those
refinements.
Getting
you
would
show
a
revised
design
to
Carlos
who
would
then
informally
get
a
couple
of
commissioners
to
sign
off.
Okay,.
E
D
I
I
E
A
D
J
A
G
I
motion
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
a
certificate
appropriateness,
subject
to
review
of
a
revised
design,
as
discussed
looking
at
the
reorientation
of
the
East
roof
panels
and
a
review
of
the
conduit
options
for
the
conduit
being
either
hidden
within
the
house
or
painted
to
match
the
roof
to
be
reviewed
by
the
to
be
reviewed
by
the
couple
members
of
the
Commission
and
Carlos
Ruiz
for
approval
final
approval.
It
was
a
very
messy
motion.
That's
why
I
don't
make
motions
yeah
I!
Think.
G
A
A
D
Be
happy
to,
and
also
if
anyone
I'll
have
I'll
send
Carlos
my
information
if
anyone's
curious
about
it,
how
does
what
does
it
work?
How
do
these
options?
Look
like
that's
what
I
do
for
a
living
and
I
grew
up
in
Chicago
and
I'm,
pretty
passionate
about
this
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
with
anyone
that
wants
to
know
how
does
this
whole
thing
work?
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
They're
very
welcome
everybody.
Thanks
for
having
me.
F
A
G
J
Sir,
thank
you
again
for
your
consideration.
In
summary,
from
the
last
video
I
believe
there
was
some
acceptance
that
a
cedar
shingle
roof
is
not
as
appropriate
for
13:12
church,
especially
for
the
front
porch.
Our
initial
proposal
to
replace
the
entire
roof
and
metal
santa
scene
was
not
acceptable
to
the
Commission.
We
now
propose
that
only
the
front
porch
roof
be
standing
the
metal
scene
and
the
rest
of
the
roof.
The
architectural
asphalt
tile.
This
follows
another
house
on
Asbury,
as
shown
in
presentation.
J
J
J
The
1312
Church
completely
in
architectural
asphalt
and
seen
there.
These
were
the
sample
suprise.
Several
photos
supplied
by
Hansen
roofing
for
the
proposed
architectural
asphalt
and
I
am
not
sure
if
that
photo
of
the
house
with
metal
standing
roof
on
the
first
floor,
porch
and
architecture
tile
is
in
there,
but
if,
with
your
permission,
I
can
share
it
on
screen.
J
J
I
F
I
J
E
Yeah,
so
the
asphalt
that
you
first
showed
us,
the
pattern
was
different
from
this
and
I
think
so
you
can
get
different
patterns.
This
particular
pattern
that
you're
showing
here
is
not
for
me.
It's
not
acceptable.
It's
like
this
strange
design,
the
one
that
you
showed
us,
the
first
image
that
the
from
Hansen
was
different,
so
I
think
that
would
be
acceptable.
I
think
you
have
to
be
really
clear,
like
which
pattern
it
is,
and
the
other
thing
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
in
terms
of
the
standing
seam.
E
J
J
E
E
Because
it
doesn't
look
like
does
it
look
like
that
either
if
you
go
back
to
the
image
so
I
have
to,
if
you
go
back
to
the
image
of
the
house,
so
I'm,
not
okay,
I'm
not
opposed
to
asphalt
I'm,
just
there
some
patterns
that
are
simpler
and
more
appropriate.
So
but
I
don't
what's
this
one
called
I'm,
just
gonna!
Look
it
up
on
my
another
that.
E
I
mean:
do
other
commissioners
see
that
on
the
house,
it's
sort
of
this
weird
shingle
approach,
but
it's
asphalt
and
it
so
go
back
to
the
image
like
if
you
would
go
back
to
the
image
of
your
house
with
the
rendering
on
it.
I.
Don't
think
that
was
the
last
image
during
my
screen
or
the.
F
E
J
F
F
F
F
E
C
E
That's
okay,
I'm,
just
I
was
just
trying
to
I
wanted
to
make
sure
cuz.
There
are
some
that
actually
look
like.
There
are
some
that
look
like
this.
That
are
more
trying
to
look
like
shake,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
but
this
so
in
your
I'm,
sorry
to
belabor
this.
But
in
your
description
do
you
list
which
asphalt
shingle,
you're
using
I.
F
A
K
J
E
J
E
J
E
I
would
just
ask
that
you
that
when
you
know
if
I'm
assuming
this
will
move
forward,
because
we
did
talk
about
last
week
and
less
other
commissioners
are
opposed,
but
I
would
suggest.
I
would
like
that
you
were
able
to
specify
that
and
give
that
information
to
Carlos
absolutely
I
mean
I.
Think
you
could
go
I,
don't
know
how
everyone
else
thinks,
but
you
could
go.
You
know
eight
inches
or.
J
E
A
A
F
Sorry
all
right
there,
the
the
issue
of
the
metal
roof
Julie.
You
were
talking
about
the
the
spacing
of
the
ribs,
but
that
one
image
makes
it
look
as
if
the
verticals
on
the
ribs
were
really
short
and
very
low
and
I
I
would
like
to
know
because
typically
they're
much
higher
I
mean
it's
not
very
distinct.
If
you
look
at
that,
rendering
it
almost
looks
like
somebody
drew
stripes
on
the
metal,
roof
and
I.
Think
most
of
us
know
that
understanding
seams
they're,
probably
going
to
be
up
about
four
or
more
inches
and
I.
F
E
F
There,
that's
we
don't
know
how
he's
in
Stannah
we're
not
seeing
that
I
mean
all
we're
being
told.
Is
it's
a
standing
seam
roof
so
that
that's
the
question
yeah?
You
can
have
them
where
they
actually
literally
fold
them
over
to
the
point
where
you
just
have
this
flattened
segment
every
so
many
probably
they're
gonna
be
about
two
feet
apart
by
the
way
I.
E
E
I
would
probably
disagree
with
you
Elliot,
because
since
I've
seen
it
you
can
see
that
through
Evanston
there's
a
house
on
Judson
that
just
did
that
I
think
eight
or
ten
inches
and
then,
if
there,
if
the
seams
for
me,
if
the
seams
are
standing
I,
you
know
you
know
you
should
probably
look
at
what
both
of
those
look
like,
because
you
know
there's
what
the
standing
seam
and
then
there's
one
that's
folded
over.
You
should
just
like
make
sure
you
understand
those
choices.
E
J
A
Right
so
we
could
I
mean
the
the
Hansen
route
proposal.
Just
doesn't
have
any
specs
in
it.
So
I
think
we
could
again
ask
that
Hansen
provide
both
for
the
design
of
the
roof
and
the
of
the
asphalt
roof,
and
then
the
the
specs
for
the
metal
roof
I
think
we
could
ask
that
they
come
back
and
have
those
you
know
approved
before
we
before
the
project
goes
ahead.
A
F
G
Yeah
I
was
gonna,
make
a
comment
just
thanking
Carlos
and
Mary
for
providing,
because
I
was
uncomfortable
and
making
a
final
decision
on
a
landmark
without
the
information
on
power
when
it
under
what
criteria
atlas
landmark.
So
thank
you
under
these
trying
times
of
not
being
able
to
get
into
the
Civic
Center
for
providing.
E
F
F
Know
knows
that
that's
I,
don't
know
how
many
owners
ago
that
was,
but
it
was
91,
92,
I
didn't
even
remember
it,
and
so
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
building
I
it's
too
many
years
ago,
but
I
don't
recall
the
roof
at
all
and
I
think
the
roof
was
done
after
that.
92
roof
that
you
talked
about
I
think
occurred
a
year
later,.
A
F
A
F
L
Maybe
just
get
to
the
first
plan.
Maybe
this
is
just
the
set
plan:
oh
okay,
well,
here's
the
original
house
unforced
and
then
you
see
the
photograph
below.
That
is
where
the
work
is
going
to
take
place
on
the
back
of
the
house
and
see
there's
a
little
small
addition
that
was
put
on
who
knows
when
I
couldn't
find
any
record
of
it.
But
it's
sort
of
got
this
weird
fenestration
that
doesn't
match
any
other
fenestration
on
the
house,
and
that
was
one
of
the
first
things
we
start
talking
about
on
this
project.
L
Thank
you,
Scott.
You
can
see,
there's
a
there's.
An
existing
can't
be
it's
sort
of
like
a
transitional,
Queen
and
prairie
style
house,
and
you
can
see
real
Prairie.
This
camp
is
really
super
Prairie,
so
it's
got
a
lot
of
details
like
that,
as
well
as
the
eaves
and
the
shape
of
the
roof
sort
of
really
really
Prairie
you
scroll,
more
I.
Guess
you
see,
we
need
what
we
did.
L
There
are
some
casement
windows
original
in
the
room
just
adjacent
to
on
the
south
side,
just
adjacent
to
where
you
see
that
dining
table,
and
so
we
pull
if
you
want
to
keep
going.
So
what
we're
doing
this
there's
a
blown-up
plan
of
how
we're
doing
it
and
you
can
see
that's
fine.
You
see
the
left
side,
this
elevation,
the
strange
window,
and
then
these
are
the
casements
on
the
right
side.
Well
proposing
is
matching
the
casement
windows
on
the
south
side.
Can
you
hear
me?
L
But
we
need
a
canopy
over
something
because
right
now,
you're
just
standing
in
the
rain,
looking
familiar
for
your
keys,
and
so
they
wanted
someplace
where
they
were
protected,
which
is
why
we
sort
of
borrowed
the
shape
or
the
front
door.
Canopy
and
sort
of
you
know
emulated
it
for
the
rear,
I
guess
you
can
keep
going
here.
You
can
see
on
the
left
side
the
old
configuration
in
that
attendent
little
piece
and
then
we're
just
basically
putting
a
double
hung
window
that
match
the
house
in
its
place.
L
You
can
keep
going
so
in
the
back
of
the
house.
You
see
now
that
attendant
piece
is
still
there
or
we
haven't
taken
it
off.
We
simply
change
the
fenestration
in
it
again.
You
can
see
the
canopy.
This
is
all
the
stuff
you
see
on
the
right
side,
which
all
these
sort
of
arbor
kind
of
structures,
and
really
they
all
exist.
We're
not
we're
not
changing
those.
L
L
A
F
F
Move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
twelve
fourteen
fours
for
the
I
think
it's
really
the
modifications
on
the
exterior,
because
the
new
kitchen,
and
that
don't
apply
to
us
with
a
new
canopy
over
new
French
French
doors.
New
casement
windows
on
the
West
facade,
adding
a
double
hung
window
on
the
south
and
removing
an
existing
window
on
the
North
facade,
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
seven.
Nine
and
ten
is.
A
F
H
I'm
I'm
here:
can
you
guys
hear
me
I'm
Sakura
Soler,
my
name
is
Lucia
I'm,
the
director
of
permitting
and
design
for
Sakura
and
we'll
be
representing
the
homeowner
mr.
William
Bess.
The
proposal
is
to
install
roof-mounted
solar
on
his
home.
I
know.
The
layout
of
the
system
is
probably
gonna,
be
what's
most
in
question.
H
The
first
thing
that
I
want
to
explain
is
something
I
think
you
guys
may
have
heard
earlier
in
the
call
and
I'm
the
representative
from
Sun
Run
whistlin,
where
the
panels
are
currently
placed
is
the
most
optimal
placement
for
them.
When
we
start
to
move
them
or
rearrange
them
on
a
rip
space,
we
lose
the
offset.
So
to
kind
of
explain
that,
let's
just
say,
mr.
bass
pays
$500
a
month
to
comment.
H
H
H
H
Do
you
guys
have
any
specific
questions
or
anything
I'm
not
covering?
This?
Is
the
first
time
I
attend
this.
You
guys's
own
meeting
so.
H
Ma'am,
that's
actually
just
our
our
stream
set
up.
So
that's
for
an
electrical
designer
to
see
I
think
it's
on
here!
I
may
have
it
on
my
personal
one,
but
if
you,
if
you
look
on
the
top
of
the
page,
you'll
see
CBA
CD
and
MSP.
H
Right
yeah
right
there,
the
plan
would
be
to
have
from
the
last
panel.
H
H
H
F
H
If
you
scroll
I,
think
there
was
a
a.
H
F
H
E
Know
so
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
is
it's
really
hard
to
tell
what
these
things
look
like
in
terms
of
your
depiction
of
them
in
your
documentation,
so
that
I
think
is.
So
it's
not
that
worse
that
I'm
saying
like
you,
you
know
these
are
unacceptable.
It's
just
that!
It's
it's
like
almost
impossible
and
the
really
abstract
drawings.
You
may
don't
help
us
because
they
don't
show
the
scale
of
the
building
they're.
Just
you
know
or
anything.
E
H
So
our
next
attempt,
after
this
was
going
to
be
to
send
a
technician
out
to
the
home.
We
did
not
want
to
have
to
obviously
incur
the
cost
of
rolling
a
truck
out
for
pictures,
but
the
best
we
can
do
would
be
to
have
him
stand
in
a
360
as
much
as
he
can.
Obviously,
because
you
know,
there's
other
homes
on
the
block
and
try
to
do
it
from
there,
but
that
would
that
is
our
next
best
idea.
I,
don't
know
how
many
other
solar
companies
would
be
able
to
to
do
it.
H
E
Just
yeah,
you
know,
I
just
want
to
say
that
if
you
look
at
the
previous,
the
solar
company
that
just
present
and
that
they
also
was
it
the
same.
Other
commissioners
was
that
the
same
company
that
presented
last
month,
they
actually
sort
of
had
the
package
more
accurately
down
in
terms
of
what
they
were
showing
that
that
would
help
us
make
that
assessment.
A
The
one
thing
I
would
say,
having
gone
by
the
house
and
and
I
think
this
picture,
and
when
you
go
by
the
house,
this
picture
is
really
what
you
see
yeah
and
you
really
can't
see
the
roof.
Exactly
so
I
mean
I.
You
know
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
as
well
about
approving
something
without
being
able
to
see
it,
but
I'm
wondering
if
it's
even
I
mean
unless
it's
visible
in
the
lower
roof.
I,
don't
know
that
you
could
actually
take
I,
mean
any
picture
and
show
the
roof
in
a
way
that
would
be
visible.
H
G
Image
so
I
think
this
is
I
mean
I,
agree
with
mark
when
you
go
by
the
house
in
this
projects.
Yes,
as
opposed
to
the
other
project,
we're
seeing
the
the
roof
slope
is
a
lot
more
shallow
and
it's
not
as
obvious
seeing
the
panels
on
top
of
the
house.
I
am
wondering
one
question:
I
have
is
just
verifying
from
the
packet
like
again
the
colors
of
the
panel's,
the
colors
of
the
mounting
system.
H
I
actually
pulled
a
photo
on
the
show
if,
if
I'm
allowed,
to
show
what
they
look
like
sitting
on
a
roof
and
I
also
would
like
to
express
that
due
to
the
fire
setbacks
that
we're
working
with,
we
can't
really
move
them
around
at
all.
If
you
look
at
the
layout
that
shows
the
actual
panel
layout,
there's
really
not
much
room.
Do
two
shading
to
move
around
and
also
with
the
fire
setbacks
and
again
I
just
want
to.
H
A
I
think
our
concerns
are
simply
that
the
depictions
don't
show
us
I
mean
we
don't
know
that
there's
anything
wrong
with
it,
but
we're
a
little
uncomfortable
that
we
know
what
you're
doing
based
on
the
you
know
again,
just
this
one
image
of
the
house
from
kind
of
far
away
without
really
an
effort
to
you
know,
take
some
kind
of
image
from
the
best
view
possible
and
depict
what
the
panel's
would
look
like.
I
mean
this
project
may
just
be
fine,
but.
J
H
And
go
ahead
and
take
as
many
pictures
as
we
can,
but
with
a
normal
high
person
standing
on
the
street
I,
don't
think
we
will
see
the
top
of
the
roof.
If
you
scroll
up
there
and
I
again,
I
understand
that
the
3d
model
is
not
the
best
for
everyone
to
look
at,
but
there
are
a
couple.
I
think
that
are.
H
Being
an
aerial
view
and
again
they're
kind
of
hard
to
see
with
with
the
trees
that
surround
the
home
and
also
the
other
home
on
the
block.
F
Yeah
I
mean
I,
agree
with
you
when
you
go
there,
the
angle
of
the
roof
and
I
think
somebody
else
said
this
as
well,
though,
especially
at
the
front.
Let's
call
them
the
north
end
of
the
house,
they're,
really
the
equivalent
of
two
of
dormers
on
both
sides,
and
you
really
can't
see
given
the
angle
or
the
slope
of
the
roof,
you're
really
not
seeing
very
much
of
anything,
that's
placed
there,
I
think
what
confuses
the
issue
when
you
look
at
this,
ironically
on
all
of
the
views
that
they
gave
us
is.
F
This
house
is
really
hard
to
follow
and
there's
roofs
in
all
directions
and
I
have
a
feeling
that,
as
you
work
your
way,
the
best
think
that's
pretty
cute.
I.
Think
that
if
you
look
your
way
around
it,
you
can't
tell
what
the
roofs
are
doing,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
view
that
we're
all
looking
at
now,
I
just
did
account
because
it's
not
in
the
application,
there's
36
panelists
I
mean
we
just
finished
talking
about
15
panels,
and
there
are
36
panels
that
we're
looking
at
here.
F
You
can't
really
tell
I
agree
with
your
initial
observation
mark,
because
if
you're
standing
to
the
east
of
the
house
sort
of
looking
towards
the
west
on
garret
and
towards
the
house,
you
really
don't
see
much.
That's
the
one
view,
because
if
you
go
past
the
house
turn
around
and
start
looking
east
or
south
east
there's
this
enormous
tree,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
their
tree
or
the
neighbor's
tree
and
I.
Think
when
that
tree
goes,
they
may
get
a
lot
more
solar
gain,
but
they'll
also
start
to
expose
a
lot
more
of
the
house.
F
I'm,
not
sure
that
all
the
views
we're
asking
for
are
really
going
to
show
us
a
lot
more
I
mean
in
this
particular
case,
I'm,
not
sure
we're
going
to
gain
anything.
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
silver
that
she
mentioned
and
I.
Think.
Last
time
we
had
somebody
discussing
that.
There's
a
skirt
that
hides
the
panels
between
the
panel
and
the
roof,
and
maybe
that
hides
some
of
that
hardware,
and
maybe
some
of
the
conduit
I
think
we
ran
into
that
at
the
last
meeting.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
so
I
don't
know.
F
H
I
can
show
you
a
picture
that
would
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
what
a
knit
panels
look
like
when
a
roof
plane
with
a
with
a
large
slope,
which
is
the
complete
opposite
of
the
this
home
that
we're
looking
at
there.
Their
roof
doesn't
slope
much
so
I
can
just
show
you
guys.
So
you
can
see
what
exactly
it
looks
like
if
you
guys
give
me
privilege
to
share
your
screen.
K
H
Yeah,
this
is
black
on
black.
It's
actually
called
like
a
mono
crystal.
It's
less
reflective
also
doesn't
show
like
very
obvious
white
gridlines,
like
blue
panels.
Do
the
point
of
this
is
to
be
less
conspicuous
to
not
look
like
you
have
big
giant
blue
tiles
on
your
home.
F
B
G
I,
concur.
I
I
don't
in
this
case
I
don't
have
a
problem.
I!
Don't
think
that
that
bringing
back
the
additional
photos
are
going
to
give
us
much
more
information.
My
question
for
the
other
commissioners
and
I
honestly
haven't
looking
for
input
to
wrap
my
head
around.
It
is
if
it
would
look
better,
you
know
if
we
we
should
require
it
to
have
the
skirt
or
not
I
I,
don't
know
what
do
people
think
about
that.
F
In
the
view
that
she
showed
us
a
minute
ago
of
somebody
else's
roof,
if
you
looked
at
the
I
guess
it
was
the
gable
and
not
the
view
of
the
panel's.
You
could
see
that
those
panels
were
floating
above
the
roof.
So
you'd
probably
see
that
here,
but
but
maybe
that
would
reassure
everybody.
Yeah,
that's
yeah.
G
G
Is
a
questioner
for
all
the
commissioners
as
I,
don't
know
what
people
prefer
or
what
guidance
we
want
to
give
this
a
you
know
should.
Is
it
better
that
it's
floating
or
is
it
better
that
we're
sure
that
the
brackets
are
are
hidden
I
mean
I,
I
feel
more
comfortable?
If
everything
all
the
brackets
and
everything,
even
though
they're
pretty
hidden
were
black
but
I
know
that
some
of
them
aren't
so
I
don't
know.
Does
anybody
else
have
a
view
on
that,
or
is
it
not
significant.
B
A
H
Right
now
we
do
not
have
mr.
vests
home
designed
with
skirting,
and
the
picture
I
showed
also
did
not
have
skirting
on
the
on
the
with
its
guards
is
what
we
call
them,
but
no
none.
There
is.
H
It's
not
standard,
it's
not
something.
We
do.
It's
never
needed
honestly,
most
of
the
time,
the
only
time
we
do
them
is
in
very
high
squirrel
populated
areas
honestly.
So
it's
it's
not
a
standard
thing
that
is
done.
Of
course
we
want
to
satisfy
the
committee,
so
it's
something
we
could
definitely
probably.
F
H
I
mean
I
can
only
speak
from
experience.
We
don't
see.
I've
been
in
solar
for
about
ten
years.
I've
only
ever
seen
one
squirrel
situation,
I
guess
we
would
call
it,
but
it
you
know
it
is
an
option.
We
do
offer
it
to
customers
on
it's
honestly,
a
mesh
skirting
black
mesh
skirting.
It's
not
I,
don't
know
what
you
guys
are
thinking
it
would
look
like,
but
it's
not
a
metal
sheeting
or
anything.
H
That's
not
going
to
completely
enclose
this
solar
array
to
make
it
let
like
with
the
roof
it
won't.
It
won't
build
a
barrier.
H
I
mean
at
this
point
we
would
be
willing
to
cover
cover
that
call.
Us
I
mean
that's,
not
a
major
issue
for
them.
A
F
F
A
H
N
My
name
is
Maggie
Hatcher,
and
this
is
my
husband
Simon
Landon.
We
are
the
owner
new
owners
of
11:33
forest
and
we're
here
to
discuss
the
proposed
siding.
As
you
may
know,
there
was
significant
damage
from
a
hailstorm
to
the
existing
aluminum
siding
and
we're
hoping
to
replace
it
with
true
cedar,
a
premium
double
four
inch:
steel,
siding
with
baked
on
color
and
a
woodgrain
texture.
N
While
we
know
this
product
is
not
exactly
mimic
the
smooth
aluminum,
that's
there
now
the
exposure
will
remain
the
same
and
will
significantly
improve
the
long-term
quality
and
durability
of
the
siding.
We
have
included
a
few
pictures
of
a
house
with
the
same
transformation.
We
are
requesting
it's
on
page
seven
and
eight
of
our
packet
of
our
individual
application.
If
you
just
scroll
a
couple
more
pages,
yeah.
N
N
Our
understanding
of
the
requirements
for
modifications
in
a
historic
district
is
that
any
alterations
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
structure
to
the
public
way,
and
if
you
scroll
to
the
next
page,
you
can
see
that
there
is
the
wood
grain.
Texture
in
question
is
subtle
and
very
undetectable
from
a
short
distance
away.
You
can
see
that
close-up.
N
It
is
very
minimal
if
any
the
overall
appearance
of
the
product
is
smooth
from
any
of
the
vantage
points
that
we
mentioned,
and
we
also
wanted
to
say
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
reciting
the
garage
which
would
allow
the
alley
view
to
remain.
As
is
on
a
personal
note,
my
grandparents
grew
up
and
got
married
in
Evanston.
My
parents
got
married
and
raised
their
family
in
Evanston
and
we
are
very
proud
to
be
raising
a
4th
generation
of
in
stone
Ian
our
11
month
old
son
miles.
N
This
city
has
and
always
will
be
my
home
and
both
the
historic
location
and
style
of
11:33
Forest
Avenue
we're
major
factors
in
our
decision
to
purchase
our
forever
home.
We
would
not
select
a
siding
product
that
would
jeopardize
jeopardize
the
historic
integrity
of
this
house,
the
neighborhood
or
the
city,
and
we
would
like
to
reassure
all
of
you
that
we
take
great
pride
in
residing
here
and
believes
that
the
update
we
are
requesting
meets
all
of
the
requirements.
K
N
K
N
We
we
did
look
at
aluminum
the
damage
that
was
done
by
the
Hale
calls
into
question
the
quality
of
aluminum.
The
double
four-inch
exposure
specifically
is
very
hard
to
find
in
aluminum,
and
you
know,
due
to
the
nature
of
the
damage,
we
were
interested
in
finding
something
that
would
have
a
more
lifetime
guarantee
to
improve.
You
know
the
quality
of
the
product
as
well.
I.
F
Have
a
question
and
I
don't
know:
can
you
may
have
been
involved
in
it
as
well?
This
is
for
Scott
Carlos
about
two
weeks
ago
we
discussed
or
had
these
emails
about.
1207
was
at
12:07
judson
that
had
to
do
with
aluminum
siding
that
was
damaged
by
hail
and
they
wanted
to
replace
it,
and
we
were
asked
to
make
comments
about
it
so
that
it
didn't
come
before
the
Commission
and
I'm
curious.
K
I
I
They
just
want
to
know
what
would
be
the
you
know
the
chances
for
them
to
get
approval
if
they
switch
from
aluminum
to
the
hardy
board,
because
they
don't
want
to
go
back
to
the
sitter
either
I'm,
not
aluminum,
because
it's
all
dentist,
so
they
felt
a
tea
party
bar,
would
be
a
better
product.
It
would
be
more
similar,
so
it
was
a
question
they
wanted
to
have
some
feedback
from
the
Commission
before
they
poppers
to
their
application.
So
they
will
be
in
front
of
the
Commission
if
I
understand
correctly,
with
the
Hardie
board
publication.
K
K
E
Just
noticed
that
yeah
I
am
assuming
because
you're
replacing
the
suit
you're
taking
off
the
existing
damaged,
siding,
so
I
would
I
mean
I,
agree,
I,
agree
with
Eliot
that
you
know
this
stamp
metal
siding
is
absolutely
not
one
of
the
choices
I
would
ever
make
and
I
would
go
to
Hardy
board
before
that.
So
I'm
I,
don't
know
is
it.
You
know
obvious
if
it
was
a
question
of
cost
or
whatever,
but
if
you
were
gonna
do
aluminum
I
would
I
just
I
think
that
the
embossed
material
is
is
probably
I.
N
Actually
did
ask
about
that
and
we
were
told
that
it
needed
to
be
a
metal
like
an
aluminum,
because
that's
what's
there
now,
so
we
did,
we
did
look
at
you
know.
We
were
interested
in
other
options
and
that
so
our
I
mean
our
stance
is
basically
that
this
is
a
higher
quality.
And
while
there
is
a
grain
texture
to
it,
you
can't
see
it
unless
you're
this
close
you
the
panels,
but
we
would
be
open
if
well.
E
N
E
I
I
Not
the
aluminum
at
the
yard
and
the
material
that
they're
applying
for
so
my
answer
to
them
was
I
can
only
approve
administratively
if
they
use
the
same
aluminum
siding
or
if
they
decide
to
restore
the
cedar
underneath.
So
he
said:
well,
the
the
buyers
of
the
home
want
to
have
this
other
material.
So
that
was
the
answer.
It's
not
that
so
they
said.
Well,
then
they
had
to
go
to
the
Commission,
because
I
cannot
approve
that
material.
I
A
Just
just
to
clear
up
any
confusion:
if
you
wanted
to
replace
with
the
same
material,
you
wouldn't
need
our
approval,
but
to
replace
with
any
new
material,
whether
it's
a
metal,
material
or
Hardy
board.
You
would
need
approval
to
make
that
change,
and
so
it's
it's.
No,
you
know
it's.
You
need
approval
any
in
either
case.
Did
your
contract
want
to
speak
to
the
material
before
we
move
any
further
yeah.
F
N
B
F
E
M
Okay,
so
the
reason
why
I
premium
product,
true
cedar,
is
because,
if
you
look
at
the
pictures,
what's
existing
right
now
is
a
double
four
straight
aluminum
and
it's
been
painted
multiple
times
and
it's
been
damaged
by
you
know
from
the
hailstorm.
So
what
we
were
told
is
we
had
to
go
back
with.
You
know,
like
kind
in
quality,
with
that
kind
of
aluminum
right.
M
So
when
I
called
my
distributors,
which
were
about
four
distributors
and
I,
said,
hey,
look
I
need
a
double
for
smooth
aluminum
with
you
know
that
color
blend
or
whatever
color
they
chose.
It
was
very
hard
to
locate
that
exact
product,
because
this
product
is
completely
outdated.
A
double
for
straight
aluminum
is
outdated.
There's
smooth
eight
inch
aluminum
where
you
can
get
it.
You
know
it's
very
popular,
but
a
double
four
is
very
hard.
So
that's
why?
M
When
I
suggested
steel,
the
steel
siding
is
because
that's
what
we've
been
going
back
with
as
a
product
when
homeowners,
even
in
historic,
like
an
Elgin
I
mean
it's
gotten
approved
in
Elgin
in
multiple
different
places,
is
because
that's
the
closest
thing
to
the
double
for.
Yes,
it
does
have
an
enforcement
of
the
wood
grains,
but
if
I
knew
that
Hardy
board
was
an
option,
we
would
go
with
Hardy
board
or
anything
that
you
guys
would
suggest
that
we
can
was
like
kind
and
quality.
M
It's
just
the
steel
siding
the
true
Cedars
number
one
product
on
the
market
right
now,
which
you
know
shows
that
distinguish
cup
distinguish.
You
know,
look
now.
As
for
the
question
about
the
trim,
so
wait.
If
you
look
down
all
these
pictures,
that
I
put
in
here
I
know
I've
put
like
90-something
pictures
of
the
whole
thing.
It
has
a
special
trend
to
it
and
with
this
trim
that's
on
on
it,
you
don't
need
J
channels,
so
you
don't
need
J
channels
if
you
look
at
the
seams,
it's
connected
by
comic.
M
So
that's
what's
awesome
about
the
steel
siding
as
well
and
Hardy
for
two,
if
you
wouldn't
have
to
mess
with
corners
or
anything
so
with
the
steel,
all
we
would.
What
we
would
replace
would
be
straight
aluminum,
so
metals
for
metal
is
what
would
we
would
be
replacing
with
right?
We
wouldn't
have
to
touch
anything
else
because
of
this.
You
know
trim
that
they
do
have
on
the
home
and
if
you
look
really,
if
you
look
to
the
close-up
siding
pieces
on
here,
you
can
see
there's
already
from
the
paint
there's
already
an
embossed
meant.
M
That
looks
exactly
the
same
as
the
steel
siding.
So
it's
kind
of
mimicking
the
same
thing
but
I'm
up
for
any
anything
that
could
get
approved
with
you
know,
Hardy
board,
if
that's
an
option
and
if
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
double
for,
and
it
can
be,
you
know
a
six-inch
hardy
board
or
eight
inch
or
whatever
you
know.
You
guys
think
is
to
go
back
I'm,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
give
the
homeowners
any
new
samples,
and
then
we
can
go
from
there.
E
So
if
you
forget
the
aluminum,
since
you
have
to
come
back
to
us
because
you're
not
replacing
in
kind
which
would
be
smooth
aluminum
since
you
can't
get
that
you're
saying
it's,
a
4-inch
reveal
right
of
the
siding.
That's
the
double
for
that
you're
talking
about
mm-hmm,
okay!
So
then,
and
the
hardy
board
is
I.
Don't
actually
remember
the
hardy
board
is
the
smallest
one
sick,
sir?
Does
it
come
in
four.
F
F
Didn't
understand
what
Vince
just
said
about
the
trim,
because
I
just
scrolled
through
all
the
pictures-
and
you
know-
are
you
telling
me
that
this
is
just
this
piece
of
bent
steel?
That's
gonna,
butt
into
what
what's
happening.
What
I
just
don't
understand,
what's
happening
and
any
of
those
there's
no
details
here.
I
mean
I
went
through
there
and
with
a
couple
of
shots,
we're
not
really
seeing
how
this
thing
is
going
to
be
detailed
at
corners
or
at
windows.
F
I
mean
you're,
saying
is
you're
just
budding
into
the
window
and
you're
caulking
I
hope
like
hell.
It
doesn't
leak,
but
that's
a
separate
issue,
but
then
at
the
corners
I,
don't
understand
what
you're
doing
the
aluminum
had
yeah
J's
and
all
the
rest
where
they
fit
in
front
of
it
or
around
it
what's
happening
here,
because
there
are
no
details
of
the
steel
system,
the
inside
corners
or
the
outside
corners
I
mean
I'm.
Looking
at
the
aluminum
right
now,
I
think
they're
showing
his
picture
139.
That's
the
house
right.
K
M
Of
wood
straight
wood
and
there's
a
built
in
J
channel
through
the
window,
so
we
wouldn't
even
have
to
add
a
J
channel
to
it.
It's
fastened
by
the
nail
and
stripped
on
the
siding
so
and
then
it's
caught,
so
even
the
outside
corners
and
inside
quarters.
If
you
look,
look
I
put
those
pictures
in
there.
It's
the
same,
say
good.
F
M
Is
gonna
be
fit?
Is
gonna
fit
right
into
that
we're
gonna
try
to
put
the
siding
just
how
the
aluminum
looks
right
now,
it's
gonna,
look
exactly
as
the
steel
side.
That's
why
we
don't
need
the
accessories
other
accessories
because
of
the
trim
on
this
house.
So
whoever
built
this
home,
they
put
this
extensive
trim
on
it
and
it's
all
over.
It's
all
built
in
and
it's
all
caught.
M
So
if
you
look
at
the,
if
you
look
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
share
my
screen
or
not.
But
if
you
look
at
the
one,
the
close-up
of
the
window
and
you
see
like
the
caulking,
so
I
cracked
on
the
on
the
aluminum,
keep
going
right
there
yeah.
So
if
you
look
close
on
the
right
hand,
side,
it's
just
cocked
and
and
then
so
it's
caught
to
that
J
channel
so
that
J
channel
and
then
there's
the
window
so
that
J
channel
is
already
fastened
to.
B
B
There's
I
mean
there's
always
like
little
trim
pieces
as
part
of
these
sighting
systems.
This
house
is
older.
It
had
wood
siding
when
it
was
first
built
and
it
was
replaced
with
aluminium
at
some
point
and
they
I
mean
there's
clearly
something
there
between
the
wood
and
the
aluminum
siding,
because
the
the
wood
window
frame
is
visible
and
has
all
the
kind
of
crackled
looking
paint.
But
then
you
get
to
the
edge
and
it's
something
different.
F
Channel
came
with
the
aluminium
it
didn't
come
with
the
original
wood
I.
Think
one
of
the
issues
is
that
we
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
when
you
pull
this
off
and
one
of
the
great
surprises
when
you
pull
it
off.
Sadly,
for
is
it
Landon's
and
whoever
else
up
there
I'm
seeing
a
name
is
that
you
know
we
don't
know
the
condition
of
the
wood.
We
don't
know
what
the
trim
is
like
and
all
the
rest
you're
relying
on
trim
and
materials.
You
know,
God
knows
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
scare
them.
F
What's
behind
there,
but
I've
seen
people
pull
off
old,
siding.
You
know,
you're
gonna
discover
the
wood.
Siding
is
probably
still
there
I'm,
not
going
to
say
that
you
want
to
salvage
it
because
that's
a
fairly
expensive
option
and
I
recognize
that
you
know
yes,
the
top
of
the
of
the
food
chain
would
have
been
put
in
lovely
cedar,
siding
with
the
four-inch
laughed
or
something
and
then
work
your
way,
all
the
way
down
through
probably
final
at
the
bottom.
But
you
know
somewhere
in
between
there's
gonna,
be
some
issues
here
and
I.
F
B
M
B
Metal
vertically,
between
the
aluminum
in
the
wood,
like
look
what
happens
when
it
gets
to
the
bottom
of
this
photo?
Where
there's
the
sill,
you
see
a
little
eighth
inch
thick
bead
on
some
metal
edge,
sticking
out
differently
than
the
wood
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
that
is.
Exactly
I
haven't
been
up
close
to
this
house,
but
aluminum
trim
paint
I
clean
with
you,
like
flashy.
F
E
Okay,
so
here's
a
question:
let's
just
go
back
to
the
material
for
a
second,
alright,
so
in
in
terms
of
this
process,
you're
gonna
have
to
take
off
you're
going
to
take
off
all
the
aluminum.
Then
you're
gonna
go
underneath
it
and
you're
gonna
see
like
if
there's
wood,
siding
and
you
got
us.
Are
you
gonna?
Take
that
you're
gonna
go
to
the
wood
sheathing
to
see
what
kind
of
shape
it
is
to
make
sure?
There's
no
rot.
E
E
My
question
is:
if
we're
evaluating
the
finished
material,
because
you
know
that's,
if
the
finished
material
and
we
say
Oh,
we
say
well,
okay,
if
the
aluminum,
if
you're
not
replacing
it
in
kind
and
then
you
have
to
come
to
us-
and
you
are
thinking
about
Hardy
board-
let's
just
say
this
and
it
doesn't
come
in
four
inches.
It
only
comes
in
six
inches,
then.
Is
that
something
different
dimension?
Is
that
except
I'm
asking
this
commission?
Is
that
something
that's
acceptable
and
I
don't
know
I
we.
F
E
Who
knows
I,
don't
know,
but
I
guess
like
for
me
for
me:
look
you
can
keep
going
unraveling
for
me.
I
would
say
that
I
would
rather
not
have
an
aluminum
embossed
material,
but
and
then
the
thing
is
so.
If
so,
is
that
something
that
we're
gonna
the
commissioners
can
talk
about,
I
mean
the
question
of
yes,
you're
gonna
have
to
evaluate
when
you
take
this
off.
E
What's
underneath
it,
and
then
you
know
it's
just
a
builder
or
to
understand
how
to
waterproof
this
thing
and
vent
it
and
everything
else,
but
in
terms
of
the
end
result,
if
we
want
to
see
a
different
material
and
it's
not
going
to
be
one
side,
you
know
no
one's
mentioned
going
back
to
wood
which
isn't
as
durable
as
Hardy
board.
So
would
we
so
are
we
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
it?
You
cannot
get
a
four-inch
Hardy
board,
that's
a
question.
I
guess
is
Vince
there.
B
A
E
A
smart
I
was
trying
to
it
so
so
like
if
we
were
just
saying
material,
okay
and
then
the
question
of
the
trim
pieces.
Because
then
you
you
know,
there's
air
hairy
board,
trim
pieces,
I,
don't
even
know
if
you
can
keep
the
wood
material
or
not
around
the
windows.
When
you
rip
everything
off,
but
would
we
agree
that
her
people
is
a
better
material
to
use
than
the
emboss
metal
siding.
B
C
Think
when
you
look
at
the
standard
number
six,
you
material
should
match
the
material
being
replaced
and
composition,
design,
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities.
So
really
is
emphasizing
that
and
I
think
introducing
this
new
texture
is
not
necessary
if
there's
a
smooth
option
that
matches
the
existing
material
better.
A
F
E
C
A
question
just
question:
just
again:
looking
at
the
standards
and
replacing
such
a
large
amount
of
orig,
not
not
original
material,
but
the
existing
material
over
there
efforts
to
repair
the
siding.
Can
you
all
speak
to
that
before,
like
what
led
up
to
the
replacement
decision.
M
And
it's
like
a
pop
can
so
the
hail
that
we
had
in
Evans
then
once
it
danced
it
and
it
actually
punctured
some
holes
in
it
the
functionality
of
it.
So
it
won't
work
anymore.
It
needs
replaced,
and
this
insurance
company
actually
pay
for
a
full
replacement
of
the
siding
because
it
was
deemed
not
repairable.
A
C
A
F
Something
they
they're,
not
I
mean
I'm
in
deference
to
the
owners.
You
know
we
might
be
saddling,
regardless
of
what
the
insurance
will
pay,
the
insurance
might
say,
but
that's
20%
more!
Congratulations,
folks!
That
comes
out
of
your
pocket.
So
the
question
is:
isn't
it
something
that
they
need
to
evaluate
before
we
say
we're
approving
something
that
they
don't
even
know
what
it's
costing
them?
Although.
A
M
M
M
B
I
move
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
11:33,
Forest
Avenue,
for
the
replacement
of
the
existing
hail
damaged,
aluminum,
siding
the
new
siding
to
be
Hardy
boards,
smooth
siding
with
a
four
inch
exposure
exposure.
If
the
original
wood
siding
is
found
to
have
a
larger
dimension
and
these
standards
for
alteration,
one
through
seven,
nine
and
ten
apply
a.
A
G
A
F
I
F
F
I
A
E
A
E
I
I
A
I
The
idea
was
that
at
some
point
we
will
be
sharing
this
with
the
council
to
show
the
work
of
the
subcommittee.
The
participation
of
the
three
bodies
in
that
the
Commission
has
done
their
homework
to
address
the
council's
concerned
about
the
sustainability
and
the
solar
panels
that
have
been
coming
to
the
Commission
for
the
last
I
would
say,
10
years
or
so
more
emphasis
now
and
that
will
be.
You
know,
adopted
I
believe
into
the
another.
I
It
could
be
under
the
rules
and
procedures.
I,
don't
think
necessarily.
We
need
to
put
them
in
the
ordinance
unless
you
feel
that
it
should
be
part
of
the
ordinance.
The
only
issue
with
that
is
the
technology
keeps
changing
and,
for
instance,
one
thing
I
noticed
we
talked
about
only
solar
panels,
but
we
are
not
talking
about
the
Tesla
tiles
that
we
will
have
a
project
coming
in.
K
E
E
E
E
I
I
F
G
Roofs
are
different,
but
for
some
reason,
I
think
it
was
somebody
and
one
of
the
other
committees.
They
were
talking
about
well
we're
here
to
discuss
solar
systems,
and
you
know
from
a
preservation
perspective
in
terms
of
kind
of
covering
more
ground.
A
lot
of
the
same
I
thought
a
lot
of
the
same
review
and
constraints.
We.
I
G
E
I
E
Here's
a
suggestion:
I
mean
elec.
Let's
just
look
back
at
this,
make
sure
that
we're
a
little
more
inclusive
and
some
stuff,
because
I'm
just
reading
it
now,
let's
put
the
green
roof
back
in
there
and
then
we'll
just
send
it
back
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
every
Commissioner
is
reading
this
document
with
the
right
date
on
it
and
then
so.
Let's
do
that!
Alaka,
okay,
I
just
want
to
review.
F
It
what
Giuliana
lekha
I
mean
I
on
the
one
hand,
in
the
beginning
and
in
a
lot
of
places,
it's
just
so
solar
other
times,
you're,
saying
solar
system
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
here
I
am
looking
at
I,
don't
know!
What's
on
our
screen
right
now,
page
192,
and
now
it
suddenly
starts
using
the
word
solar
panels.
No.
E
Elliot
I
agree
with
you,
that's
why
we
have
to
just
go
back.
We
have
to
tweak
this
thing
that
we're
in
a
Senate
back
to
Carlos,
because
I
agree
with
you
I'm
just
looking
at
it
again,
so
we'll
just
go
back,
we'll
tweak
it
we'll
send
it
back
to
Carlos
and
then
Carlos
everyone.
Please
read
it
on
the
Commission
and
then
Carlos.
E
G
G
I
Animator,
so
you
know
I
think
that
listening
what
you're
saying
I
will
send
this
to
Kumar
and
ask
him
to
distribute
to
the
members
of
that
the
members
of
the
group,
yes,
that
they
have
a
last
chance
to
look
at
it
too.
So
after
that,
and
we
can
I
believe,
move
forward
more
comfortably.
At
least
we
have
to
reach
out
one
more
time
to
them.
Okay,.
E
Like
Carlos
I'd
like
when
you
send
it
to
the
two
other
groups
that
were
represented
it,
you
should
be
able
to
say
that
the
Preservation
Commission
has
reviewed
this
and
approved
it.
So
they
understand
and
then,
if
they
make
more,
tweaks
it'll
come
back
to
us,
but
it
should
come
from
the
Commission
now
because
they
all
knew
that
we
were
all
going
to
review
it.
A
A
K
I
Mean
there
are
other
Commission's
that
have
guidelines
for
many
things.
There
are
separate
documents,
so
we
can
either
adopt
part
of
the
rules
and
procedures
or
we
can
just
have
guidelines
for
they're
not
incorporated
into
the
ordinance.
But
if
you
adopt
these
guidelines
that
we're
going
to
share
with
the
applicant
think
islands
with
let's
say
with
a
solar
system
application
which
will
be
part
of
this
certificate
of
appropriateness,
okay,.
A
C
E
Okay,
but
I
just
can
I
just
ask
because
I
am
confused
now,
so
we
can't
if
this
is.
If
this
is
not
an
ordinance,
but
we
approve,
we
prove
it,
it
means
we
can't
be.
We
can't
use
it
or
distribute
it
until
the
other
two
committees
agree
and
then,
if
they
agree,
can
we
start
using
it
or
does
it
have
to
go
before
the
full
council?
E
O
Right
and
commissioners
at
Scott
Mangum
here
your
rules
and
procedures
for
the
Preservation
Commission
state
that
they
should
be
amendments.
Those
rules
we
presented
in
writing
the
meeting
preceding
the
meeting
for
the
vote
on
Oh.
So
essentially
those
could
be
provided
in
writing
and
then
you
come
back
with
a
formal
revision
of
the
rules
and
incorporate
these
guidelines
into
the
rules
and
procedures
of
the
Commission
following
any
any
other
revisions
or
edits
from
the
other
boards
or
commissions.
So.
A
I
E
Well,
we
should
probably
wait
to
adopt
the
rules
until
we
get
the
feedback
from
the
other
committee
since
that's
where
these
were
come
from,
but
when
they
agree
to
it,
which
we
should
give
them
a
time
for
I'm
just
moving
forward
this,
we
should
give
them
a
time
frame
in
which
we
need
them
to
approve
them
or
give
us
recommends
back
so
Carlos
when
you
sent
it
to
them.
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
give
him
a
month.
G
I
I
I
Well,
I
think
I
can
recall
exactly
but
I
think
the
idea
was
that,
if
we're
gonna
do
anything,
it
will
be
good
to
include
the
other
committees
or
boards
that
are
dealing
with
the
the
call
of
the
City
Council
to
emanate.
You
know
the
carbon
that
was
adopted
by
the
council,
so
we're
not
acting
alone.
So
we
want
to
incorporate
everybody
that
is
interested.
A
K
A
You
know
put
I
mean
one
of
the
problems
here
is
going
to
be
that
we're
going
to
pass
this
with
the
other
commissions
and
the
City
Council.
You
know
hopefully,
they'll
see
it
but
they're
not
going
to
like
vote
to
approve
it
and
then,
if
we
come
back
to
them
on
an
appeal
and
say
they
didn't
follow
our
guidelines,
we're
probably
gonna
hear
like
what
guidelines
I
wonder
if
maybe
just
the
title
of
it
like
joint
guidelines
adopted
by
and
enlist
the
three
Commission's.
F
Probably
should
you're
right
mark
I
understand
now.
Is
you
guys
are
gonna
make
the
tweaks?
We
talked
about
and
then
run
it
by
the
other
people
and
we're
saying
that's
all
fine.
What
if
they
say
we
want
to
make
some
other
tweaks
or
we
don't
like
the
ones.
You've
done.
Do
we
own
them
now
or
how
does
that
work?
They.
E
Not
worry
about
if
they
come
back,
here's
what'll
happen.
If
they
come
back
with
comments
and
Alec
and
I
have
to
look
at
them,
then
we're
gonna
have
to
figure
out
what
we
need
to
do.
If
we
need
to
do
something-
and
we
might
have
to
go
back
to
talk
to
somebody
but
it'll
come
back
to
us,
because
we
were
working
as
a
group,
we'll
figure
that
out,
okay.
A
E
E
A
E
A
I
mean
this
is
really
more
I
mean
this
is
the
Preservation
Commission
is
I,
mean
Alaka
and
I
and
Sally
we're
helping
out
aldermen
simply
Simmons
and
Dena
Robinson
of
a
local
black
historian
established
some
kind
of
black
african-american
historic
structure,
and
it
was
really
their
effort,
not
ours.
We
talked
about
whether
they
wanted
either
a
historic
district
or
some
kind
of
cultural
district.
That
was
more
like
historic
district
light
with
fewer
restrictions,
and
that
really
wasn't
what
they
wanted.
A
They
didn't
feel
that
structures
were
necessarily
threatened
or
that
the
architectural
integrity
of
structures
should
be.
You
should
be
locked
in
or
preserved,
and
they
didn't
really
want
any
procedures
passed.
So
what
we
ended
up
doing
after
a
lot
of
discussions
was
a
resolution
establishing
what
we
called
african-american
Heritage
Sites
in
Evanston,
which
would
be
initially
a
number
of
sites.
Both
you
know
current
buildings
that
still
exist
and
sites
of
buildings
that
are
no
longer
there,
and
so
it's
not
historic
preservation
under
the
ordinance
and
I
would
say
you
know
we
were
I.
A
In
addition,
it
fulfills
one
of
the
goals
we've
had
trying
to
show
the
City
Council
that
were
constructive
and
help
out.
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
get
some
positive
publicity
for
helping
other
people
in
their
effort.
Using
our
expertise-
and
you
know
we
help
with
the
drafting.
We
help
with
the
thought
process,
and
the
idea
is
after
this
that
the
resolution
appoints
Dinos
organization
shorefront,
which
is
a
very
good
historic,
American
historical
organization
in
Evanston.
A
That
has
a
tremendous
amount
of
archives
and
resources,
and
they
would
be
the
party
administering
this
going
forward,
and
you
know
again,
we
you
know,
luck
and
I
told
them
in
any
way.
We
could
keep
helping
out
the
future
we'd
be
delighted
to
do
so,
but
we
wanted
to
be
more
of
a
community
effort
that
the
community
and
the
not-for-profit
organization
would
take
over,
and
you
know,
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
play
any
official
role
going
forward.
G
C
C
The
nice
reminder
just
the
many
many
perspectives
and
more
significance
comes,
and
you
know,
I
haven't
stood
like
many.
Many
other
cities
is
kind
of
heavy
on
a
certain
perspective,
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
broaden
that-
and
this
is
a
great
first
step
lending
a
hand
in
this
matter
that
both
sides,
the
stakeholders,
are
pleased.
K
I
If
I
may,
what
I
like
about
this
resolution
is
that
is
the
community
that
is
directly
affected
by
the
resolution
benefiting
from
their
own
actions,
my
takeaways
that
I
learned
a
lot
by
listening
to
Dino
and
alderman
Simmons
what
they
had
to
share
with
us.
As
far
as
the
history
of
the
african-american
community
in
Evanston,
to
be
honest,
I
knew
little
and
still
you
know
little
about
it,
and
but
this
came
so
timely
for
all
this
things
were
going
through
right.
I
It's
like
how
it's
almost
seems
like
we
just
thought
about
it,
because
what
happened
within
the
last
two
weeks?
No,
we
we
started
this
months
ago
and
I'm
very
pleased
with
the
resolution.
The
way
it
evolved,
I
just
have
one
little
cement.
It's
a
day.
I
think
Dino
said
come
committee
and
we
are
commissioned
so
I'm
gonna.
Just
ask
I.
Think.
I
G
G
Gonna
say
the
other
thing:
that's
nice
about
this-
that
we
were
very
careful.
Everybody
involved
just
to
make
sure
that
that
it's
preserving
and
highlighting
important
Evanston
history
without
putting
any
regulations
or
the
hoops
that
anybody
has
to
really
jump
through.
You
know
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
didn't
think
they
had
to
come
before
the
Preservation
Commission
or
that
any
restrictions
are
going
to
be
putting
put
on
any
properties
that
were
involved
in
this.
A
Carlos
we
had
talked
about
after
we
approve
somehow
trying
to
you
know,
get
something
attached
your
approval.
That
indicates
our
you
know
going
to
enroll,
not
in
taking
ownership,
our
role
and
assisting
and
recommending
without
it
seeming
like
it.
You
know
what,
with
the
acknowledging
that
it
doesn't
belong
to
us,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
best
communicate
that
but
I
don't
it
would
be
shame
to
get
kind
of
our
role
lost.
A
I
Introductory
page
about
you
know
proposed
in
Anderson
we
can
provide
the
information
that
resolving
as
far
as
the
moment
of
the
Commission
and
how
the
ordinance
came
about
and
the
particular
solution,
and
then
we
will
have
the
resolution
and
the
document
that
is
attached
to
it.
So
there
will
be
a
history
of
of
the
process.
A
You
know
approving
it,
but
also
just
saying
what
our
role
was
and
I
know
I'm
about
kind
of
thing,
and
what
you
know
why
we
recommend
it:
okay,
all
right
so
I
could
work
on
that
with
you,
guys
and
alike,
so
I
guess
we
just
need
to
approve
approve
this
whatever.
That
means
we.
A
I
Simmons
was
supposed
to
send
me
her
right
up
on
it,
but
I
have
not
received
anything
yet
to
give
the
context
of
of
all
the,
whereas
that
appear
on
the
resolution,
but
I
think
that
mark
and
I
can
work
on
the
role
of
the
Commission
as
an
introduction
to
the
resolution
and
with
alderman
Simmons
a
background
on
the
I
guess
the
the
proposal
to
adopt
the
resolution
to
the
council.
So,
okay.
So
as.
I
Because
she
wanted
to
have
this,
for
the
June
22nd
meeting
and
literally
I.
Think
by
this
Friday
is
our
deadline
to
submit
to
the
city
manager's
office
so
that
they
can
put
it
on
that
agenda
and
Scott
Caudle
they're
already
requested
to
place
it
on
the
agenda
and
I
requested
the
resolution
number
through
the
law
department.
A
I
A
G
A
I
O
So
the
City
Council's
is
the
body
that
will
be
taking
action
on
the
resolution,
so
this
certainly
has
been
you
know
presented
to
the
Preservation
Commission.
There
were
named
revisions
to
it
and
the
cover
memo
is
stated.
We
can
can
put
into
information
that
governmental
out
that
the
process
that
this
went
through
to
develop
the
resolution.
I
K
I
So
we
can
have
a
topic
every
meeting
at
the
end
or
maybe
said
another
time
to
have
a
retreat
for
each
of
the
topics
we
listed
and
on
there
on
the
agenda.
There
are
two:
we
think
that
one
of
the
challenges
would
be.
You
know
how
to
show
materials,
but
I
think
that
we
understand,
under
the
limitations
that
we
can
always
collect
good
photos
of
windows
or
brochures
or
something
and
share
that
and
I.
Think
the
other
topics
would
be
easiest
as
a
you
know.
K
I
E
So
I
would
say
that
windows,
unless
someone's
gonna
do
some
PowerPoint,
which
I'm
not
going
to
do
so.
If
Elliot
wants
to
do
it,
it's
kind
of
a
bigger
deal
because
of
seeing
materials
and
putting
just
together
and
brochures.
Don't
you
know,
like
the
I,
had
this
idea
that
we'd
actually
bring
windows
in
but
I'm,
just
not
I
don't
have
time
to
do
like
some
big
PowerPoint
on
that.
E
So
unless
Elliot
does
I
would
say,
can
you
like
hold
off
on
that
one,
and
can
we
do
something
where
we
just
we
talk
about
like
I,
think
you
know
each
of
the
other
ones.
We
could
actually
talk
about.
I,
don't
know
everyone
is
so
tired
at
the
end
of
these
meetings,
too,
you
know
Rahm
and
do
even
a
piece
of
it.
It
seems
like
it
seems
to
me
like
we
could.
E
If
we
could
find
you
know
a
day
that
works,
we
don't
have
to
do
like
three
hours,
but
we
could
do
I,
don't
know
one
hour
and
we
could
talk
about.
Maybe
the
I
know
the
consign.
Oh,
you
know
if
you
want
to
pick
the
community,
so
maybe
the
community
relations
and
number
three
and
four
go
together.
It's
just
I
think
windows.
If
we
could
kind
of
hold
out
till
maybe
after
kovat
or
something
unless
someone
really
wants
to
do
a
lot
of
work.
C
E
E
E
A
E
Let's
just
pick
a
day
and
then
we'll
figure
out,
let's
pick
a
day,
that
we
can
meet
that'll
work
and
then
we'll
figure
out
which
one
we're
gonna
do
and
I'm
I'm
fine
to
put
something
together
for
one
of
them.
So
how
about?
If
we
just
pick
a
day
first
2013
so
I
have
to
just
say,
like
I:
have
these
classes
on
Tuesday,
so
I
can't
do
Tuesday's,
that's
the
only
day.
I
can't
do
so.
If
the
Wednesday
works
for
everybody.
E
A
E
E
E
I
E
A
I
I
K
K
E
E
F
E
Well,
I
was
thinking
about
him,
however,
think
about
this.
Remember
this
whole
thing
about
because
he's
my
partner.
So
if
I
come
off
and
then
we
have
a
project
that
we
need
to
come
forward,
he
can't
be
on
because
then
neither
can
present
and
then
we,
if
they
have
some
other
person
present
so
I-
think
that
hey.
E
C
I
So
if
you
can't,
if,
if
you
tell
me
the
name
and
contact
I,
can
send
them
the
link
to
the
application
with
our
introduction
into
him
and
happy
recommended
by
you
know,
path
or
Julie,
whoever
and
they're
interested
to
feel
at
our
Center
today
to
the
mayor.
So
that's
what
we
do
normally,
hopefully
the
they
will
do
it,
and
hopefully
the
mayor
will
consider
their
application.