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D
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All
right
I,
so
everybody
can
hear
me
because
I
might
you
can
all
hear
me?
Okay,
so
listen!
I
put
this
together
and
I
thought.
You
know
my
I
thought
the
goal
or
my
goal
was
really
to
get
us
to
talk
about
how
we
can
be
more
effective
in
working
with
the
public
and
the
city,
and
so
I
just
broke
it
into.
F
G
G
D
H
F
I
D
F
D
So
did
anybody
hear
what
I
said
I'll
just
start
all
over
so
I'm
just
so
it's
a
what
is
it
an
hour
and
a
half.
G
D
G
D
Are
okay,
so
my
question
for
everyone
is:
have
you
have
you
actively
tried
to
find
one
if
you
were
just
someone
who
was
trying
to
access
information
from
the
petition?
Have
you
gone
through
on
the
website
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
that,
and
what
are
your
comments
about
that
I'm,
starting
from
the
beginning,
if
you're
just
how
do
we
help
people
access
the
site
and
get
information
they
need
and
so
have?
Has
anyone
done
that
I.
B
B
D
A
D
C
I'm
curious
to
know
what
supports
the
Commission
has
other
than
Carlos,
because
I
think
this
is
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
great
information.
I
totally
agree
with
everything
that
was
said.
There's
a
lot
of
great
information.
There
I
think
it's
more
a
matter
of
kind
of
webpage,
design
and
layout.
You
know
something
that
none
of
us
know
anything
about,
but
we
might
be
able
to
work
with
somebody
within
the
city
that
deals
with
the
city's
website.
You
know
I
mean
this,
wouldn't
be
something
that
Carlos
would
know
anything
about
either.
C
F
That
is
I
mean
we
started
out
with
something,
and
then
we
started
out
with
one
web
person
that
person
left
I
can't
remember
if
we
ended
up
with
the
second
or
third
and
then,
as
Julie
said,
there
were
the
changes
made
because
they
were
changing
the
website
and
a
lot
of
what
you
see
there
is
the
city
IT
people
putting
it
into
their
template,
rather
than
what
you
might
have
done.
If
you
were
doing
your
own
website.
C
F
B
E
However,
they
you
know,
like
you
said
earlier,
there's
a
template
that
they
want
to
maintain
and
once
we
ask
for
something
to
be
changed,
it's
not
an
unusual
that
they
say
okay.
This
is
what
how
you
do
it
then
thing
you
do
it.
They
would
not
do
it
necessarily
hundred
percent
for
ourselves
where
somebody
has
to
learn
how
to
do
it,
and
then
we
do
that's
the
time
constraints.
F
E
Don't
know
javi
I,
don't
know
the
answer
for
that.
I
don't
think
we
have
raised
that
question,
but
we
can
ask
if
that
would
be
feasible,
but
I
think
that
one
way
to
facilitate
the
cleanup
of
the
website
is
by
having
all
of
us
doing,
searches
in
any
way
and
but
take
note.
So
what
are
you
searching?
What
kind
of
the
keywords
or
something-
and
you
talked
about
redundancies
and
I-
think
that
that
can
be
resolved
by
copying
that
link
that
either
is
redundancy
or
does
not
lead
it
to
nowhere
and
another
person,
our
staff.
E
She
would
take
that
link
and
then
remove
it
from
from
the
website
so
that
we're
trying
to
clean
up
all
links
that
may
lead
you
to
an
all
forum
on
all
information.
Somehow,
once
we
let
say
update,
let's
say
the
preservation
ordinance,
you
might
still
be
able
to
get
the
version
prior
to
the
current
version.
C
So
it
would
be
nice
to
have
hard
to
find
you
see,
you
see
well,
it's
on
the
landing
page,
along
with
all
sorts
of
other
buried
links
on
the
landing
page,
but
you
click
on
it
and
you
see
a
listing
of
addresses,
but
you
can't
find
there's
no
way
to
find
a
the
actual
designation
on.
Why
that's
a
landmark
like
if
each
one
of
those
addresses
was
a
link
that
that
link
to
the
PDF
of
its
land.
F
C
There's
not
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
guidelines
and
things
like
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
actual
information-
and
why
is
this
a
historic
district?
Why
is
the
a
landmark
you
know?
What
can
I,
if
somebody
was
researching
their
house
to
determine
whether
or
not
you
know
what's
significant
about
their
house
and
this
in
the
eyes
of
the
historic
preservation
Department
of
Evanston?
They
can't
find
that
on
the
website,
it
always
kind
of
circles
back
to
call
Carlos
which
puts
a
terrible
burden
on.
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G
E
Is
the
2012
lake
start
is
sorted?
This
is
a
survey
that's
available
online
and
I
need
to
double-check
whether
or
not
is
in
our
pages,
but
if
it's
not
I
will
include
it,
but
I
believe
it
is
I.
Think
the
problem
is
when
you
know
it's
a
good
question,
but
I
don't
think
there's
a
ideal
answer
for
it
is
that
when
somebody
anybody
is
searching
for
something
you
don't
really
know
what
to
look
for.
C
E
But
as
far
as
the
statement
of
significance,
you
know
we
have
encountered
this
issue
of
you
know.
What
do
we
do
when
somebody
wants
that
during
this
period,
where
it's
all
in
hardcopy
they're
about
eight
binders
that
hole
about
800
landmarks,
that
somebody
has
to
have
the
time
to
scan
each
page
and
each
pages
Nath's
Lewis
is
in
a
plastic
sleeve,
so
you
had
to
take
out
put
it
in
the
scanner
and
scan
it.
So
it's
not
like
you
put.
D
D
I
just
wanted
something
Carlos
how
about
if
we
get
I'd
like
to
get
at
this
from
another
direction,
what
when
people
call
you
do
they
already
just
described
this
process?
Do
they
already
know
like
where
their
houses
is
it?
They
already
know
it's
in
historic
district
when
they
call
what
what
happens
just
in
that
interaction
and
have
they
looked
at
the
website
or
what
happens
I
would.
E
Say
that
at
least
50
percent
or
more
know
that
they
either
have
a
house
and
install
a
desert
or
their
own,
a
landmark
which
has
an
improvement
to
you
know
when
we
didn't
have
the
ordinance
online.
Where
list
all
the
landmarks,
so
I
would
say
that
it's
not
that
everybody
that
calls
doesn't
know
that
they
want
a
landmark
or
what
a
landmark
is.
E
But
you
know,
I
get
calls
or
emails
recently
like
people
who
want
to
buy
the
plaque
or
landmark,
and
there
was
a
gentleman
who
wanted
to
buy
two
plaques
one
for
his
own
house,
which
happens
to
be
a
landmark
and
the
other
one,
the
only
one
for
his
parents.
They
live
in
a
historic
district,
but
that
house
was
not
a
landmark,
so
I
had
to
explain
this
program
is
only
for
language
owners.
E
Don't
know
but
I
think
maybe
it's
a
good
question.
I
should
ask
every
time
somebody
call
and
I
say:
okay,
you
know
we
have
more
information
about
it,
but
the
way
I
feel
personally
is
that
if
I
kind
of
push
it
I
don't
feel
I'm
providing
the
service
they're
looking
for,
but
what
I
can
do?
Is
you
know?
Okay,
how
did
you
find
out?
You
know?
Maybe
they
would
tell
me.
Oh
I'll
look
online,
or
somebody
told
me
many
times
they
say
people
have
given
me
your
name
to
call
you
and
that's
not.
B
E
D
E
Right
and
many
times,
and
now
we're
not
saying
it's
really
every
single
time,
but
many
times
when
somebody
calls,
let's
say
a
realtor,
that's
when
I
take
it
opportunity,
say:
okay,
you
know
what
you
want
to
know.
This
is
a
lemon
or
this
right.
I
show
you
how
and
I
spent
time
on
the
phone
go
to
the
website.
Go
to
about
my
place,
you
open
that
link
and
they
are
going
with
me
and
this
okay.
This
is
how
you
find
whether
or
not
you
have
a
line
more
of
that
they
seem
to
remember.
E
B
B
B
D
I
think
what
was
supposed
to
happen,
but
it
maybe
didn't,
is
that
so
the
guidelines
you
read
through
and
then
you
find
these
links
and
those
links
were
also.
We
had
imagined,
I
think
Jackie
Elliott
Tommy
they
weren't
that
they
also
were
appearing
simultaneously
like
just
as
a
listing,
so
you
didn't
have
to
go
through
the
whole.
Damn
you
know
narrative
to
find
the
link,
but
it
was
over
at
the
side.
D
B
D
That
would
so
I,
you
know
I
would
say,
is
there
I
may
be
from
this
whole
retreat?
We
have
some
people
who
might
want
to
continue
for
you
know
working
on
something
like
this
and
that
we
can
like
move
because
I,
don't
this
isn't
gonna
be
Sol
I
mean
you
know.
We
spent
like
a
year
doing
this
and
it's
sort.
G
G
G
D
F
F
C
F
D
H
Just
a
content
management
system
is
probably
propriety
or
with
a
vendor
vision.
I
think,
is
that
what
it's,
what
it's
called
we
going
to
edit
it?
It
kind
of,
has
an
appearance
of
a
word
type
editing
or
you
can
do
some
stuff
there.
You
can
insert
code
if
you
really
want
to
do
that
as
well.
Okay,
well,.
F
E
We
had
our
7030
grant
to
do
the
survey
and
the
inventory
producing
bridges
that
district.
He
started
only
for
the
lake
shore
and
then
the
other
one
was
all
the
nightmares
outside
sort
of
districts.
So
ideally
the
next
target,
which
should
be
the
richest
or
a
district
for
an
inventory,
I'm,
not
sure
if
funds
will
be
available
again,
because
obviously
the
coverage
situation
I
know
that
the
staff
at
Springfield
they're,
also
working
from
home
and
it's
very
hard
to
get
all
of
them.
E
C
The
lakeshore
historic
survey
was
a
resurvey,
but
but
I
think
that
even
some
of
our
older
information
without
resurvey
in
the
houses
we
could
put
up
on
the
website,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
people
because
I've
gotten
a
few
calls,
and-
and
honestly
you
know,
even
as
a
commissioner
I-
find
it
hard
to
find
information
and
I
always
feel
bad,
because
I
know
how
burdened
you
know
how
how
much
work
Carlos
has
on
his
plate.
E
Okay,
I
think
that
just
to
the
index
that
I
believe
Julie's,
a
friend
I
think
we
can
do
that
and
like
we,
we
can
put
it
on
the
page
where
we
have
the
agendas
and
minutes.
That's
probably
the
most
frequently
visited
because
people
want
to
see
the
packets
so
from
the
links
that
we
have
in
the
guidelines.
I
can
create
a
table
with
the
same
links
and
it
would
be
a
quick
reference
to
those
topics,
so
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
read
the
entire
page
about
the
guidelines
page.
It
would
be
just
links.
E
I
believe
I
can
do
that
without
my
major
you
know
spending
your
time
just
copying
like
paste
copy
and
paste
within
a
table
that
I
can
create
for
quick
references,
but
I
believe
that
if
we
all
spend
some
time
and
maybe
now
Jamie,
maybe
Jamie
could
help
us
how
to
do
this
better.
It
is
basically
doing
searches
in
our
website
write
it
down.
What
are
you
searching
and
what
do
you
find?
What
can
link
you
have
and
then
copy
that
link,
and
then
we
know
whether
the
link
is
current
or
old
or
it
doesn't
exist.
E
Sometimes
the
link
that
doesn't
exist
anymore,
but
it's
still
floating
in
the
in
the
website,
I
think
that
would
be
one
way
to
clean
it,
but
everybody
would
have
to
commit
some
time
just
to
develop
a
list
of
things
they
like
to
see.
You
know,
and
then
you
provide
okay
I
want
to
see
how
many
landmarks
I
want
to
see
who
do
how
many
buildings
and
this
mayor
built
that
type
of
questions.
G
Okay,
Carlos,
you
mentioned
landmarks
outside
historic
districts.
I
was
involved
with
that
project
quite
a
large
degree,
and
my
memory
is
that
that
tragic
never
was
completed
because
funding
ran
out
and
all
the
surveys
were
not
completed.
So
can
you
give
us
an
update
on
where
that
project
stands?
No.
E
The
project
was
completed,
the
every
every
building
was
survey.
What
we
run
out
of
that
money,
but
it
was
more
time-
was
and
also
the
volunteers.
They
were
looking
at
all
permits
and
we
didn't.
We
didn't,
have
a
chance
to
do
it.
Additional
information,
but
most
of
the
the
bulk
of
the
information
is
there
like
for
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
We
have
more
information
of
permits
that
were
issue.
When
was
it
designated
I
think
all
of
that
is
there.
So
we
we
finished
the
project,
but
not
to
the
level
that
we
would
like
to,
but.
G
It's
there,
one
of
the
reasons
that
in
fact
you
came
about
of
course,
was
it.
Homeowners
didn't
realize
they
were
landmarks
and
we
were
getting
problems
with
homeowners
wanting
to
make
renovation
supposed
to
rewrite
Windows
and
they
didn't
realize
their
homes
were
landmark,
and
so
those
people
are
still
all
out
there
and
many
probably
still
know
that
they
have
named
our
homes.
So.
G
G
D
I
asked
another
another
question
with
this,
so
if
you
I
had
asked
this
before
so
I,
just
don't
remember
the
answer.
If
you
have
a
house,
that's
landmark,
you
know
now
that
Evanston
landmark
and
it
also
has
easements
from
the
Illinois
landmarks
and
you
come
because
I
know
property
such
a
property,
and
you
have
you,
you
have
to
go
before
the
commission,
but
the
easement
is
actually
more
restrictive.
That
element
you
know
when
you
get
Alan
oil
and
marks
the
isn't
it's
more
restrictive.
How
is
that?
D
E
E
Over
what
the
agreement
is
between
the
owner
and
so
I,
don't
really
get
too
much
into
you
know
what
they're
doing
or
anything
like
that,
because
basically
they
are
more
restrictive
in
sending
in
many
ways
and
what
the
ordinance
would
allow
us
and
the
same
thing
with
the
state
of
Illinois.
They
will
just
send
me
a
kind
of
certificate
that
they
have
been
approved
by
them
and.
A
E
That's
it.
You
know,
but
again,
where
I'm
concerned
about
this,
what
happens
at
the
local
level
and
I'm
really
aware
of
that,
and
since
this
says
that
in
my
history,
with
the
Commission
I
only
had
one
case
that
the
Commission
approved
the
owner
later
apply
for
the
assessment
freeze
program
and
he
was
denied.
So
he
was
really
upset
about
that
because
he
thought
that
the
Commission
had
the
last
word
and
I
had
to
spend
it
in
locally
under
our
ordinance.
E
But
we
are
not
in
charge
of
the
assessment
freeze
and
since
then,
I
have
recommended
when
I
become
a
word
that
somebody's
going
to
apply
for
it
or
somebody
has
to
do
some
large
addition
or
restoration
I
will
let
them
know
there
is
an
incentive
for
you
either
Landmarks,
Illinois
or
the
state
of
Illinois.
You
can
apply
for
these
programs
if
you
want
but
be
mindful
that,
if,
if
you
deviate
from
what
they
agree,
it
would
not
be
valid.
So
we
will
review
it
locally.
E
F
D
It
useful
like
if
we
knew,
because
if
we
knew
which
properties
which
landmark
properties
had
restrictive
easements,
so
we
just
knew
that.
So
if
somebody
came
before
us,
sometimes
I
have
to
say
cuz
I've
been
in
this
situation,
some
if
some
there's
a
buyer
of
a
property
like
I,
and
they
did
not
know
that
they
had
easements
on
their
property.
This
came
up
with
a
shore
house
and
Lake
Forest,
and
it
was
really
an
odd
situation
and
so
to
help
the
homeowner
I'm.
D
D
D
But
maybe
we
could
get
that
list,
because
there's
not
that
many
that
have
them
and
I
think
that's
just
useful
information
for
us
all.
They
have
like.
Well,
if
you
wrote
up
a
property
that
you
know
if
it
really
it's
it's
more
to
like
help
the
homeowner.
Sometimes
the
homeowner
doesn't
actually
understand
something
because
they
purchased
it
from
someone
when
else
who's
placed
easements
upon
it.
So.
D
We
have
to
add
it
I
think
we
would
just
know
as
a
commission
if
it
was
I
was
thinking
like
if
it
came
before
the
Commission
as
a
property,
because
it
was
in
a
historic
district
or
it
was
a
landmark
and
they
wanted
to
change.
Some
windows
already
had
the
easements.
Well,
they
really
couldn't
change
any
winners.
We
shouldn't
even
be
voting
on
it.
Well.
C
To
me
that
that
is
something
because
I
I
guess
I'm
thinking
of
this
in
everything
not
only
what
can
help
us
as
commissioners,
but
what
can
help
somebody
who
owns
a
home
yeah.
You
know
we
want
to
get
as
much
information
like
that
out
to
them
and
I
think
the
about
my
placing
the
Evanston
3-1-1
about
my
place.
It
could
Abbott
listed
and
you
know
is
it
in
a
local,
historic
district?
Is
it
a
landmark,
you
know,
is
it
local,
landmark
or
federal
landmark?
D
E
Just
say
something
about
that:
one
of
the
thing
that
you
have
to
remember,
the
easement
from
my
Marcellino
is
for
life,
whereas
the
state.
C
D
G
D
E
G
F
E
C
I
F
E
I,
don't
know
if
the
building
that
we
are
looking
at
has
an
easement
or
not.
They
do
get
the
my
understanding.
They
are
subscribed
and
I've
been
receiving
calls
over
the
years
from
them,
either
before
or
after
the
meeting.
Oh
no
on
a
project
that
they
have
review.
So
if
we
had
to,
in
other
words,
I,
would
have
to
call
every
single
time
to
them
or
send
a
agenda
to
them
in
advance
and
say
all
right.
Any
of
these
buildings
with
an
easement.
F
E
E
D
I
told
Elliot
I
totally
get
what
you're
saying,
because
so
I
I
think.
Maybe
it
just
a
question
of
a
freak
if
Carlos
talks
to
Susan,
Germaine
or
whatever,
you
know
Illinois
landmarks,
and
we
get
this
list
and
it's
not
that
many
and
then
we
can
have
it.
And
then
we
can
know
the
property
comes
up
because
actually
I'm
just
telling
you
there
is
a
property
that
I
looked
at.
They
were
and
they
I
don't
know.
Actually
I
know
they
were
changing.
D
Windows
and
I,
don't
know
if
they
did
anything
and
they
just
might
have
changed
their
windows
whatever,
because
the
guy
was
angry
with.
You
know
that
there
were
easements
that
he
didn't
know
about
so
I'm,
just
saying
that
it's
just
communication,
so
that
we're
not
voting
on
something
that
can't
be
changed
because
it
isn't
easy.
F
D
D
F
D
G
D
E
How
it
when
I
find
out
about
a
project
I
might
be
using
the
heat,
the
eastman,
the
excuse
me,
the
tax
assessment
I
always
recommend,
go
to
the
state.
First,
get
that
approval
come
back
to
us
with
the
same
plan,
same
drawings
that
you
submitted
to
the
state,
but
there's
no
discrepancy
about
what
the
Commission
so
and
approved
locally.
So
that's
my
recommendation
when
I
find
out
somebody's
applying
or
will
apply
for
that.
E
C
C
D
D
How
do?
How
can
we
okay,
because
I
have
seen
this?
How
can
we
change
it
up
so
that
we
are
getting
more?
We
are
getting
either
on
some
projects,
better
drawings,
that
we're
not
reviewing
things
that
just
don't
have
enough
information.
Is
there
something
that
we
can?
Is
there
some
way
to
you
know
Carlos
you're,
one
person?
How
can
that
process
so
that
we're
getting
the
most
definitive
kind
of
drawings
to
review
and
I?
E
E
There
is
a
point
where
it's
not
unusual,
that
the
either
the
owner
or
the
contract
or
the
architect
will
be
upset
because
all
of
a
sudden
they
need
to
spend
more
time
and
more
money
to
do
that,
so
they
are
not
necessarily
responding.
Oh
yeah,
we'll
do
this
no
problem,
it's
more
like
do.
I
really
need
to
do
this.
I
need
now.
I
need
to
talk
to
my
client,
and
we
didn't
put
it
on
the
budget,
and
some
people
have
the
means
to
do
that.
Others,
don't,
for
instance,.
C
E
Do
have
samples
I
mean
we
have
the
packets,
where
people
can
access
really
those
packets
and
see
what
and
I
have
referred
people
to
certain
dates
and
when
I
saw
something
we'll
remember
something
that
is
similar
to
what
they're
proposing.
But
again
it's
not
that
they
see.
The
document
is
whether
or
not
the
healthy
means
to
replicate.
A
Yeah
one
concrete
thing
that
as
commissioners
we
can
do
is
let
Carlos
know
if
you
know
in
advance
of
the
meeting,
if
you
feel
the
application
is
inadequate,
I
mean
I,
know
I,
frequently,
look
at
the
applications
and
just
decide.
There's
insufficient
information,
I
think
like
half
the
time
to
really
figure
out
what's
going
on,
and
sometimes
they
are
cleared
up
by
the
presentations
but
I
know
I
often
send
Carlos
emails
asking
if
he
could
ask
the
applicant
to
provide
yeah.
A
E
Think
we
can
manage
that
to
the
extent
that
I'm
not
sure
if
we
should
be
doing
that
before
he
goes
out
to
the
public,
which
is
Friday
by
5:00
p.m.
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
an
issue
with
that.
Maybe
Scott
can
help
us
with
that,
because
everybody
should
get
information
around
the
same
time
and
the
other
thing
is,
you
know
if
you're
looking
at
a
project
and
then
you
start
to
communicate
among
yourselves.
A
So
see
I
mean
you
know
where
things
you
can
stress.
The
applicants
I
think
throughout
the
process
is
that
if
they
don't
provide
adequate
information,
it's
going
to
delay
their
application
and
we're
trying
to
help
them
get
it
through.
But
you
know,
in
addition,
I
mean,
even
if
you
post
it
for
the
public
and
that's
basically
at
the
same
time,
I
mean
very
frequently
people
bring
in
supplementary
material
or
furnish
it
to
you
the
day
before
the
meeting,
and
that
generally
works
but
I
mean.
E
We're
doing
that
Marc,
it's
not
not
to
extend
that
perhaps
would
be
ideal,
but
definitely
I've
been
pushing
applicants
to
bring
better
material
or
better
presentation,
I,
even
coach
them
how
to
spend
their
time
with
the
meaning
so
that
they
don't
spend.
No,
don't
tell
us
why
you're
doing
this
tell
us.
What
are
you
doing?
What
materials
are
you
using?
E
So
I
obviously
understand
that
we
should
and
could
have
better
applications,
but
I
would
say
that
it
depends.
Who
is
the
applicant?
It's
not
going
to
be
universally
the
best
you
know,
I
mean.
Even
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
applications,
somebody
takes
the
time
to
type
the
application.
Others
they
just
handwritten
understand
whether
writing
some
people
say
see
attachment,
and
then
the
attachment
is
very
little
information
or
photographs.
E
I
mean
it's
just
a
plethora
of
different
styles
and
different
ways
of
presenting
I
just
try
to
put
together
somewhere
that
that
is
more
consistent,
even
though
it's
not
the
same
it.
What
I
was
trying
to
tell
you?
Is
it
if
we
want
to
have
that
level
of
presentation?
It
will
take
me
to
do
more
work
like
taking
each
case
I'm
by
I
hand
the
hand
to
the
applicants
unless
there's
somebody
who
will
even
the
Commission
like
an
architect.
D
E
Used
to
have
the
review
and
technical
assistance
committee
right
so
when
we
get
the
application,
when
the
deadline
comes
and
I
have
all
the
applications
that
week,
let's
say
the
deadline
is
on
a
Tuesday
by
Thursday.
This
group
would
meet
with
me
and
then
it
had
to
be
a
public
meeting
too.
Sometimes
the
archetypal
calm,
sometimes
I
only
would
come,
but
then
it
becomes
not
needing
with
it.
E
G
F
But
I
thought
that
it
worked
because
in
the
most
cases
it
was
often
not
the
architect
that
a
lot
of
these
homeowners
that
don't
have
the
technical
knowledge
they
come
in
and
at
least
a
couple
of
Commissioners
would
say,
here's
some
of
the
things
you
can
do
and
essentially
they'd
lead
them
in
the
right
direction,
and
it
resolved
a
lot
of
issues
that
kid
that
didn't
have
to
be
reinvented.
At
the
meeting
at
the
actual
Commission
meeting.
I,
don't
know
the
technical
assistance
was
such
a
bad
thing.
Do.
A
Also
is
if
the
idea
is
not
to
review
the
application
on
its
merits.
Correct
simply
have
somebody
looking
application
to
advise
the
applicant
information.
They
can
provide
the
data
better.
You
know
so.
They'll
have
a
better
chance
to
getting
approved.
I,
don't
think
that's
a
meeting,
it's
just
that
they,
the
Commissioner,
wouldn't
comment
or
decide
make
a
decisions.
They
would
just
say
you
know,
I
think
this
information
is
missing
and
you
should
add
this
to
your
packet.
There.
E
Is
a
way
to
do
this,
we
will
have
no
more
than
two
commissioners
present.
Those
means
we've
been,
one
will
be
sufficient,
so
we
don't
have
to
advertise
this
as
a
meeting
and
then
we
have
to
get
the
time
for
you
guys
to
say:
okay,
I
can
come,
you
know
or
our
volunteer
for
for
the
next
couple
months,
and
then
we
can
rotate
to
I.
D
D
E
F
F
Of
time,
and
in
some
cases
at
that
technical
assistance
meeting,
it
can
be
such
and
and
Carlos
just
said
it.
It
then
maybe
becomes
I'm,
not
you
know
sufficiently
worked
to
the
fact
that
it
becomes
administrative
approval
and
it
never
has
to
become
a
commission
item.
I
mean
if
you
can
get
it
past,
one
or
two
people,
and
everybody
goes.
This
is
great,
and
now
you
know
it
can
be
approved
by
Carlos
I
mean
some
of
those
windows
things
some
of
the
roof
things
I
mean.
C
I
think
that
an
important
component
is
that
we
should
be
thinking
about,
and
the
reason
to
do
this
is,
if
it
would
work,
is
we
need
to
be
making
this
as
easy
as
possible
for
people
in
Evanston
to
make
changes
to
their
historic
homes.
You
know
they
shouldn't
be
seen
us
as
this
huge
month,
many
month,
long
process
that
they
have
to
go
through
they.
You
know
to
try
to
do
whatever
we
can
within
reasonableness
to
to
help
people
come
before
us
and
and
get
approved
to
make
get
guidance
and
changes
to
their
homes.
Well,.
E
I
agree
with
the
sentiment
is
and
I
think
that
we
can
get
started
doing
this
for
the
month
of
August
and
what
we
need
to
have
is
two
or
one
Commissioner
available
for
a
meeting
with
my
in
my
office
or
in
this
case,
would
be
another
virtual
meeting
with
applicant
or
architect
or
a
contractor
Harmonia.
Where
might
be
available,
and
then
we
can,
you
know
kind
of
advice,
and
this
is
what
is
good
about
your
application.
This
is
what
is
missing.
E
The
difference
is
that
it
was
three
people
that
are
the
elected
officials
or
they.
You
know
you
as
the
secretary
mark
as
the
chair
and
Kennedy
Vice
Chair,
so
how
people
like
didn't
wait
to
give
me
their
opinion
about
something
then,
and
that
worked.
But
you
were
not
talking
to
the
directly
to
the
applicant
I
was.
E
D
C
E
A
G
D
F
D
I
know
that
we're
all
right
so
well,
this
was
good.
That's
okay,
I
want
to
I
want
to
go
on
to
the
Commission.
The
Commission
and
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
know:
Mark
had
this
specific
question
which
we
should
get
to
before
nine,
which
is
when
we
go
to
talk
about
what
is
the
Commission
telling
me
and
do
I
understand
it?
I
know
that
Mark
had
some
concerns
about
how
we
deal
with
new
construction
versus
additions
and
remodeling
projects,
and
before
we
go
to
say
like,
are
we
consistent
with
our
messaging
I?
D
D
A
A
You
know
what
what
the
limits
of
our
powers
should
be
and
I
guess
it
does
relate
to
the
communications
issue.
You
mentioned
that,
certainly
you
know
I
mean
frequently
at
meetings
where
voice.
You
know
we're
voicing
opinions
as
to
you
know
what
the
architects
I'll
be
doing
and
it's
hard
to
separate
some
of
the
preservation
issues
from
some
of
the
you
know.
If
I,
if
this
wouldn't
me,
this
is
what
I
prefer
to
do.
A
I
guess
you
know
new
construction
projects
that
have
really
plagued
us,
because
I
mean
when
you're
dealing
with
a
modification
of
like
an
existing
landmark
home.
It's
a
there's,
a
pretty
limited
set
of
you
know
of
indicia
on
the
existing
home,
and
it's
pretty
easy.
You
know
they're
all
kinds
of
reference
points
in
it.
You
know
existing
home.
What's
on
the
other
side
of
it,
and
you
know
what
the
other
windows
are
etc
for
new
construction,
it's
incredibly
subjective-
and
you
know
citizens
come
before
us
and
use.
A
You
know,
as
the
reference
point
house
across
the
street,
is
that
a
house
o'clock
over
mister,
the
house
next
door
and
then
you
know,
there's
sharp
divisions
as
to
whether
you
know
very
modern
cells
are
accessible,
whether
the
home
should
pay.
You
know
some
kind
of
some
kind
of
references,
sort
of
structures,
but
maybe
right
next
door.
So
I'm,
not
even
you
know
it
seems
to
me
it's
a
very
lengthy
and
our
discussion.
I
guess
you
know
truthfully.
A
My
concern
is
that
we
don't
always
kind
of
respect
the
limits
of
what
we
should
be
deciding
what
we
should
be
refraining
from
exercising
our
powers
to
limit
and,
of
course,
then
one
of
the
interlocking
problems
is.
We
got
a
lot
of
citizen
pressure
to
exercise
that
power
to
stop
projects
for
reasons
that
are
really
not
preservation,
reasons
that
are
you
know,
people
don't
want
the
house
next
door,
don't
let
a
construction
site
so
I'm,
not
sure
you.
G
A
D
Well,
I
mean
I
I.
Think
I
mean
I,
understand
that
it's
more
open-ended,
but
we
still
have
these
standards
for
new
construction,
and
basically
it's
like
it's
all
about.
It
seems
to
me
it's
always
about
those
standards
and
it's
always
about
the
context.
So
if
it's
new
and
you've
got,
you
know
if
you've
got
like
five
different
houses
on
your
block
and
they're
completely
different,
stylistically
and
etc,
then
the
context
is
really
different
and
you're.
D
Looking
at
a
new
home
in
a
different
way
than
if
you
know
like
you
were
on
the
edge
of
your
property,
you
know
the
whole
issue
with
asthma
court,
but
so
I
think
it's
just
that.
There's
still
those
standards
and
there's
still
you
know,
there's
still
like
composition
of
windows.
You
know
roof
forms.
All
of
that,
and
so
you
know
I
think
when
we've
had
issues
with
the
new
construction-
and
it's
basically
been
someone
saying
well
I
should
be.
This
is
what
happens.
Let's
face
it
like
for
the
problems.
D
I
should
be
able
to
build
exactly
what
I
want
and
no
one
should
tell
me
what
to
do
and
sorry.
I've
got
to
come
before
the
Commission
for
that
and
that's
when
we
have
problems,
and
they
may
come
back
three
or
four
times
and
that
it
has
happened
because
we've
seen
it
and
whatever
we
say
it
doesn't
really
matter.
You
know
so,
but
that's
it's
not
that
we
are
exerting
too
much
pressure.
Is
that
they're
not
really
listening
and
the
standards
are
really
pretty
clear
and
you
can
I
think
with
new
construction?
G
A
Building
on
the
block,
you
know
the
that
is
John
elfin
building
the
house.
Next
to
the
Oscar
Mayer
mansion
I
mean
his
initial
design
was,
you
know,
extremely
modern,
how
it
set
fire
to
my
back
and
it
was
on
a
block
that
was
basically
all
very
impressive
historic
homes,
and
so
it
it
was,
you
know,
I
mean
I
mean
clearly
the
you
know.
You
could
look
at
that
as
the
clearest
example
there's
something
that
didn't
comply
with
any
of
the
preservation
standards
on
Edgemere
Court.
By
contrast,
you
know
there
were
multiple
different
styles.
A
Again,
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
apply
the
standards,
but
I
I
thought
you
know
due
to
subjectivity
of
it.
The
extreme
subjectivity
of
it
I
just
I
mean
it
I
think
we
were
unmoored
by
what
to
do,
and
you
know
I
think
that
the
opinions
different
sighs
sharply
in
the
lack
of
you
know
again.
The
lack
of
clear
reference
points
that.
F
D
F
A
G
F
The
bigger
problem,
the
people
who
come
in
and
they're
in
a
desk
but
they're
not
necessarily
on
land
market
right,
there's
the
issue
of
being
in
the
district
and
still
having
to
comply
with
the
guidelines
when
you're
not
even
necessarily
contributing
other
than
you
happen
to
be
next
door
and
I-
think
those
are
the
ones
that
are
most
problematic
because
they
come
in
and
say:
look
I
bought
a
1960s
ranch
house.
Don't
blame
me
for
the
fact
that
there's
three
landmark
Victorians
next
door
and
yet
we're
holding
them
to
some
standard?
Well.
G
F
D
But
I
think
the
Commission
has
been
you
know
if
you
get
if
you're
doing
a
remodeling
to
like
a
ranch
burger
on
the
lake
next
to
some
historic
home,
then
I
think
the
Commission
has
been
fairly
lenient
about
some
things,
because
you
know
you're
not
gonna
make
something
fantastic
about
I
mean
you
know
it's
like
you're.
It's
another
transform
this
thing
that
already
looks
like
it
does
it's
when
it's
new,
it's
like
new
construction,
where
it's
completely
new
but
I
agree
with
Jack.
You
still
have
the
standards.
They're
very
specific
reform.
D
Composition
of
windows
massing
scale.
All
of
those
things
you
have
those
tools
to
use
when
you're
evaluating
the
houses
on
the
street
and
if
there's
one
house
that
differs
from
all
the
other
houses,
then
as
a
commissioner,
you
way
that
I
suppose
you
know,
if
that's
the,
if
so,
I
actually
think
that
it's
the
same
I,
you
know
agree
with
Jack,
like
the
standards
are
still
there
to
help
you
so
I,
don't
know,
but
I
do
think
that
we
get
off
track
as
a
commission,
Eliot
and
I.
Maybe
do
that
you
get
off
track.
F
D
H
F
Is
a
bad
architecture
but
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
why
it's
bad
I
mean
I
think
but
non
non
historic
buildings
in
some
of
the
districts.
Those
are
the
people
that
really
complain
because
they're
saying
I
went
through
this
three-month
process.
For
my
ranch
house,
just
I
was
an
accident
of
geography,
not
because
of
anything
else
and
I.
Think
those
are
the
ones
that
we
I
think
complaints
about,
Jack
the
hole,
maybe.
I
D
Know
I
think
we
did
because
there
is
a
I
mean
I've,
seen
projects
that
have
gone
through.
Where
there's
this
one.
You
know
we're
on
Iran
Chow's.
There
are
these
weird
dormers
and
we
just
you
could
see
it,
but
we
just
weren't,
as
you
know,
was
pretty
a
pretty
easy
evaluation
by
the
Commission
or
critique
or
whatever,
and
that's
because
of
like
what
it
was
really
and
where
and
and
the
fact
and
I
I
have
seen
that
happen
here.
D
F
D
B
D
Maybe
some
of
them
yeah
but
I
I,
do
think
that
there's
a
way
of
evaluating
you
know
the
different
facades
of
property.
If
it's
not
landmarked
I
do
think
in
a
landmark
house.
You
know
there
is
the
question
of
which
facades
are
most
important,
that
you
have
to
value
8
and
think
about,
as
opposed
to
just
the
front
side,
which
thing
you
know
you
do
so,
but.
F
D
D
You
know
before
so
so:
I
don't
know,
I
I
mean
I,
hear
you
mark,
but
I
actually
think
you
just
keep
going
back.
If
you
can't
make
sense
of
the
standards
within
there.
You
know
the
relationship
to
new
construction
because
there's
there's
nothing
there's.
No.
The
context
is
crazy
and
different
I
mean
that's
a
problem.
G
E
1994
was
the
original
version
of
the
current
ordinance
with
similar
language
of
the
standards,
which
were
amended
for
the
latest
version
of
it.
I
think
that
in
the
planet,
in
the
best
practice
of
planning,
you
know
communities,
we
tend
to
see
their
ordinances
or
these
type
of
documents
every
10
years
just
to
take
a
look,
because
it
really
takes
a
lot
of
effort
to
amend
those
and
also
it's
costly.
E
But
if
somebody
has
an
anesthetic
standard,
for
instance,
not
the
same
material,
we
should
say
you
says
the
standard
that
is
currently
not
met,
which
is
you're,
not
matching
the
material
without
telling
them
it
has
to
be
this
and
that,
although
they
might
have
the
question
well
then
what
right
well
in
and
you
can
say,
consistently-
we've
been
approving,
hardly
board
or
wood
or
in
case
of
Windows
or
wood
or
a
limb
o'clock.
But
you
decide
which
one
is
in
your
case
the
best
but
but
I,
don't
think
necessarily.
E
We
have
to
even
spend
time
to
explain
how
something
should
be
built,
because
that's
not
our
role,
that's
why
they
have
a
plan
examiner
that
looks
at
the
code.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
appearance
and
the
material
I
know
that
it's
very
tempting
to
say
well,
is
it's
not
designed
well
or
put
together
well,
but
that's
why
we're
not
reviewing
so
I
think
we
should
restrain
ourselves
from
trying
to
tell
the
architecture
how
to
build.
E
It
is
is
whether
or
not
is
going
to
look
the
way
they
presented
and
I
know
that
I'm
I
I
do
have
present.
Many
times
what
you
have
to
say,
but
I
think
that
and
I
learned
from
her
too,
because
when
I,
reviewed
and
I
remember
what
you
guys
said
at
the
meeting
about
certain
things
and
then
I'm.
Looking
from
that
perspective
as
well.
G
D
It's
hard
when
it
I
totally
hear
you
cuz.
It
is
hard.
We've
seen
this
where
someone
says
okay,
but
I
don't
understand.
So.
Can
you
give
me
some
idea?
No
and
then,
if
the
Commission
says
no,
that
is
not
my
job
to
design
your
project.
You
just
do
not
meet
this.
That
is
not
sometimes
it's
just
not
useful
for
someone
who
actually
doesn't
get
what
you're
saying
like
you
could
say
and
I'm
just
saying
so
sometimes
you
veer
off
in
in
an
attempt
to
help
and
then
it
may
get.
D
D
You
want
to
help
somebody
and
you
want
to
say
something
that
I
mean
we've
seen
that
but
I
I
mean
I
agree
that
it's
really
hard
to
say,
like
I'm,
not
I've,
heard
that
I
heard
that
when
I
first
heard
on
the
Commission,
it
was
like.
Oh
well,
we're
not
here
to
design.
So
we
you
know
then,
and
then
people
complain
they
were
like.
Okay,
great
I,
don't
know
what
to
do
what
I
do
then
they
ask
you
Carlos.
Well,
what
do
we
do.
E
E
Because
you
know,
I
see
I,
see
that
obviously
the
commission
members
have
the
best
intentions
when
they
review
a
project
and
that
leave
it
to
other
type
of
conversation.
That
is
not
necessarily
addressing
the
the
main
point,
which
is
whether
or
not
meets
the
standards
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
core.
In
my
mind,
that
we
need
to
remember
when
we
are
in
making
comments
or
having
a
discussion
is,
you
know,
try
to
keep
the
conversation
within
the
intent
of
the
standards.
D
E
D
D
So,
hey
you
know
it
before
I
know
it's
a
tip
today.
I
just
want
to
get
to
this,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
I
think
it's
really
important
that
the
Commission,
because
I,
don't
know
what.
How
does
the
information
that,
where
our
standards,
how
we're
looking
at
things,
how
serious
we
are,
how
much
time
we
give
to
this?
How
does
that?
How
is
it
all
conveyed
to
you
know
the
older
men
and
women
who
then
may
look
at
projects
that
are
appealed?
D
E
Basically,
you
know
when
somebody
is
submitting
a
project
and
I
will
say,
for
instance,
no
don't
use
it.
Why
not
because
the
Commission
has
not
approved?
Why
not?
It's
not
a
compatible
material,
but
I
cannot
stop
the
person
who
are
applying
for
what
they
want
and
that's
why
you
see
these
complications
that
have
that
don't
meet
the
standards.
E
I
tried
to
persuade
the
applicant
to
address
the
standards
directly
and
put
an
application
that
should
be
a
proven
could
be
approved
rather
than
that,
but
at
this
point,
where
they
let's
say
they
go
and
where
the
Commission
and
like,
for
instance,
the
the
classical
example,
will
be.
The
person
who
for
the
house
had
two
windows:
he
vinyl
windows
and
when
I
learned
about
that
I
explained
to
him,
you
know,
does
not
meet
the
standards
and
he
said
no
I
I
still
want
to
go
and
run
the
Commission.
A
I
can't
play
so
the
oddly
the
appeal
process
before
the
City
Council
has
no
role
for
that
Commission
and
I
know
Scott
and
Carlos
wasn't
or
often
it
has
to
be
there.
Although
I
do
a
search
city,
cuz
will
actually
ask
them.
So
on
some
of
the
appeals,
I
know
you
probably
watched
Eliot
elect
a
new
watch,
I've
gotten
up
and
in
some
cases
during
the
public
comment
period
can
speak
for
two
minutes
and
they
seem
to
listen
a
little
bit
of
you
know,
while
especially
because
they
love
listening
to
be.
A
You
know,
thirty
other
people
up
there.
It's
you
know
it
is
odd
that
we're
kind
of
not
a
party
of
Appeal
and
have
no
role
whatsoever,
and
they
don't
even
seem
to
know
what
we
did
or
why
I
don't
know
that
the
City
Council
would
even
entertain
us
having
some
kind
of
official
role
in
the
appeal.
A
It's
also
dicey,
because
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
appeals
are
many
of
the
appeals.
I
think
that
are
successful
are
instances
where
I
think
the
Commission
is
kind
of
standing
on
principle
and
wants
to
disapprove
things,
and
it
maybe
has
the
thought
process
that
if
the
City
Council
was
to
grant
an
exception
to
the
general
rule,
that's
such
a
bad,
but
we
don't
want
to
change
the
general
role,
so
it's
tricky,
but
but
we
have
no
official
role
and
I'm
not
sure
they
listen
at
all.
G
Patient
I
have
an
observation
about
this.
Having
observed
the
plan
commission
and
how
they
operate,
they
are.
They
are
always
calling
the
standards
out
always
calling
the
standards
out,
and
my
observation
is
that
the
council
listens
to
them
when
they,
when
they
present
their
standards.
So
I
think
we
need
to
stress
our
standards
with
them
more
and
they
should.
They
should
learn
to
respect
the
same
process
that
we
go
through,
that
the
Planning
Commission
goes
through
and.
F
D
G
F
Was
all
recorded
and
it
was
made
very
clear-
not
only
did
look
Jamie
Jamie
voted
no,
but
Jamie
said
it
didn't
meet
standard
five
and
six
of
the
list
or
whatever
else,
and
if
need
be.
You
could
even
say
why
it
didn't.
When
that's
in
there,
then
I
think
the
Consul
reads
them
because
I've
been
at
other
towns.
They
they
read
the
minutes
of
the
meeting.
They
never
look
at
the
tapes
of
the
meeting
or
the
videos
of
the
meeting.
They
don't
want
to
sit
through
three
hours,
but
they'll
read.
A
I,
just
don't
say,
I
mean
if
you've
listened
to
this
any
council
meetings.
I
think
that
maybe
one
of
them
has
actually
looked
at
the
case.
They're
generally
decided
on
broader
political
there's
in
the
solar
energy
project
in
him
and
those
that
pursue
mean
there
I
mean
I,
think
it
will
allowed
two
minutes
as
part
of
the
public
on
that.
That
is
which
42
other
people
is
hardly
listened
to
and
that
so
they're
not
because
they're
not
reviewed
it's
like
for
political
agents.
They
want
solar
energy
they're,
not
been
slightly
aware
of
the
standards.
F
There's
two
committees
that
meet
the
two
hours
or
so
prior
to
the
council
meeting.
It
doesn't
seem
to
me
that,
having
you
appear
at
the
public
forum
at
the
front
desk
for
two
minutes,
just
like
every
other
person
who's
there
to
complain
about
stop
signs
in
front
of
their
house.
That's
when
it
should
be
happening.
It
should
be
happening
at
the
committee
meeting,
whether
it's
Public,
Works
and
administration
or
whatever
else,
because
that's
the
forum
where,
if
you
explain
it,
those
members
of
that
committee,
it
doesn't
become
an
issue
with
the
council
meeting.
It's.
F
I
A
D
So
I
guess
my
question
is
Carlos
because
you're
our
link
to
the
city,
I
I,
think
we
need
some
support
in
some
fashion
and
how
do
we
get
it
except
by
you
know,
I
go
to
Melissa,
win
and
I
talked
to
her
and
she
says:
oh,
like
I,
remember
it.
You
know
we
talked
to
our
all
during,
but
that
we
are,
you
know,
we're
all
volunteering.
We
are
all
doing
our
best
and
we
need
some
support
and
so
I'm
I'm
asking
not
the
Commission
or
the
chair,
but
I'm
asking
you
or
Scott.
You
know.
D
E
If
I
make,
what
we
see
now
at
the
council
is
not
what
I'm
used
to,
because
in
the
past
the
Commission
make
will
make
a
presentation
or
the
chair
or
the
staff,
about
the
decision
and
and
I
guess,
I.
Don't
necessarily
think
that
the
way
the
council
will
vote
will
be
much
different.
It
says
that
they,
if
you
look
at
the
ordinance,
says
that
you
know
the
council
has
to
make
a
decision
based
on
the
evidence,
the
facts,
but
sometimes
may
be
many
times
it
doesn't
translate
that
way.
E
So
the
only
means
we
have
currently
is
the
the
memo
that
is
prepared
by
a
staff
so
that
we
explain
the
process.
The
decision
of
the
Commission
we
put
together
all
the
standards
that
were
not
met
and
and
the
final
decision
of
the
Commission,
but
the
role
of
staff
or
the
participation
of
the
chair
somehow
has
been
put
aside.
E
Initially
my
recollection
is,
was
that
they
wanted
to
cut
the
time
the
council
would
spend
every
month
every
other,
every
other
Monday,
you
know
reviewing
all
the
items
and
then
they
they
basically
said.
No,
you
don't
need
to
be
there
or
the
Commission
doesn't
even
know
they
will
read
a
material.
So
as
far
as
getting
support,
I
would
imagine
that
you
know
we
could
talk
to
the
director
of
our
department
and
maybe
have
a
meeting
with
her
and
explain.
E
That's
only
a
suggestion:
I
don't
know
if
if
there
are
other
City
Council
members
that
feel
the
same
way,
but
you
know
the
director
of
the
department
is
basically
the
the
person
who
can
discuss
in
a
higher
level.
You
know
what,
in
her
view,
the
Commission's
committees
that
our
department
staffs
should
get
the
attention
and
the
council
well.
H
D
That
but
I
still
think
it's
like.
We
are
just
kind
of
pushed
to
the
way,
citing
the
same
thing
happened
with
this
whole
solo,
I'm
feeling
this
way
about
the
solar
guidelines
and
we
met-
and
we
wrote
this
so
now.
However,
that
plays
out
I
feel
like
it
would
be
real
I'm
asking
I
think
we
really
good
if
we
could
have
just
a
dialogue
with
that's
Johanna
and
just
talk
about
ways
to
sort
to
get
some
more
support,
because
we
can
be
clearer
and
it's
alright
I.
C
D
D
C
E
No
no
Scott
and
I
work
closely
and,
of
course,
we
report
to
Johanna.
But
Scott
is
my
manager
and
you
know
we
can
discuss
the
two
of
us.
You
know
if
this
would
be
feasible
or
not.
I
just
made
a
suggestion,
because
that's
the
way
I
would
have
approached
you
know
similar
situation
in
the
past
and
again
I.
Don't
know
if
we'll
make
a
big
difference
to
do
that
or
not.
Is
that
it's
because
the
council,
the
members
of
City,
Council
and
mayor
now
have
their
template?
How
things
should
go
and
I
don't
know?
D
D
E
I'm,
sorry
I
think
if
you
stay
within
the
system,
without
changing
too
much
is
with
with
what
you
know
the
public
comment,
it
doesn't
only
have
to
be
mark
or
the
chair
to
talk
directly
to
the
council
if
we
have
the
block
of
Commissioners
going
in
front
of
the
council,
when
there's
considering
an
appeal-
and
you
speak
your
your
your
mind
on
why
the
Commission
did
not
approve
I
think
then
you
probably
have
a
more
more
on
reception
rather
than
just
the
chair.
Talking
about
the
Commission's
ruling.
E
D
F
E
E
F
Every
time
you
invite
them
to
a
tea
or
a
coffee,
it's
gonna
have
to
be
virtual,
so
I
don't
know
quite
how
we're
gonna
work
that
one
out
in
fact,
I
was
gonna.
Ask
you
how
you
were
going
to
do
this
little
review
with
two
members
of
the
Commission
and
the
architect
in
August?
If
we're
all
still
doing
it
virtually
or
is
that
how
we're
gonna
have
to
do
it.