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A
A
The
city
of
evanston's
preservation
ordinance
empowers
this
body
to
safeguard
our
communities,
communities,
historic,
cultural
and
Architectural
Heritage.
The
commission
encourages
public
participation
and
affords
due
process
through
public
hearings
on
proposed
Landmark
designations
and
applications
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
A
A
The
first
order
of
business
tonight
will
be
public
comment
on
items
listed
under
discussion
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
old
and
new
business.
The
chair
of
the
commission
will
ask
staff
to
read
each
case
into
the
record.
Once
the
case
has
been
read
into
the
record,
the
applicant
presents
an
overview
of
The
Proposal,
including
evidence,
and
testimony
that
support
the
applicable
standards
being
met.
A
The
Commissioners
will
then
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
following
the
questioning
period.
Members
of
the
public
may
speak
toward
the
application,
keeping
their
comments
to
three
minutes
or
less
following
public
comment.
The
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
any
evidence
or
testimony
against
the
application,
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
for
review.
A
After
all,
parties
have
had
a
final
opportunity
to
make
objections
or
Corrections.
The
commission
closes
the
record
and
proceeds
to
deliberation
and
then
a
motion
to
approve
the
proposal
or
approve
with
conditions.
A
simple
majority
of
the
promotion
of
the
of
the
Quorum
present
is
required
for
a
motion
to
carry
item
on
the
agenda's
public
communism.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
here
to
speak
this
evening
on
an
item
for
the
discussion?
A
Okay,
in
that
case,
we
will
call
you
up
when
we
get
to
your
item.
Anyone
here
to
talk
about
the
items
on
the
discussion,
part
of
the
agenda,
okay,
seeing
none,
we
will
move
on
to
new
business,
2125
Sherman,
Avenue,
Northeast,
historic
district,
23,
Prez
0096
could
staff.
Please
read
that
into
the
record.
B
A
B
Applicant
architect
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
home's
North
elevations
fenestration,
construct
a
single
story
Edition
and
covered
basement
entry
at
the
rear
volume
of
the
home's
North
elevation.
The
applicant
further
requests
the
following
major
zoning
variations
to
expand
a
non-conforming
structures
or
relates
to
bulk
code,
section
6652,
a
rear
ad
setback
of
3.75
feet
where
30
feet
is
required
in
the
existing
legally
non-conforming
condition
is
2.75
feet,
code,
section,
6828a4
and
building
lock
coverage
of
33.25
percent
or
30
percent
is
the
maximum
permitted
and
31
percent.
B
Is
the
existing
legally
non-conforming
condition
code
section
6827.
The
preservation
commission
is
the
determining
body
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
code,
section
288.
The
preservation
commission
made
its
discretion,
make
a
recommendation
to
the
land
use
commission,
the
determining
body
for
the
proposed
zoning
relief
code,
section
2194e,
Mr
Kirsch,
when
you're
ready.
C
C
However,
there's
also
a
preservation
requirement
of
minimizing
the
amount
or
impact,
if
you
will
of
the
addition
at
the
front
or
Street
side
of
the
property,
which
would
be
to
your
right
on
the
site
plan.
So,
therefore,
the
location
was
placed
according
to
the
zoning
code,
five
foot
south
of
the
north
property
line
and
in
line
or
actually
one
foot
east
of
the
rear
line
of
the
building.
C
A
B
Yeah
correct,
you
might
want
to
do
public
comment
as
well.
If
he's
done
with.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
see
here
we
have
two
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak.
Amanda
Hartnett.
E
E
The
lot
size
is
already
too
small
for
the
property,
and
that
was
certainly
not
uncommon,
pre-preservation,
pre-zoning
regulations.
We
understand
that
that
the
owner
proposes
to
further
reduce
this
and
to
change
the
preservation
guidelines
that
govern
our
area.
As
a
single
family
house
neighborhood,
it's
a
multi-unit
building
under
her
plan.
She
will
be
renting
other
rooms,
as
she
has
done
in
the
past,
and
we
believe
this
plan
is
motivated
not
by
a
lack
of
interior
space
in
the
property
but,
as
she
said
to
us
on
Saturday,
to
make
her
money
in
the
basement
apartment.
E
It
runs
for
the
entire
length
of
the
house,
and
major
construction
will
be
required
to
make
this
single-family
home
into
a
two-bedroom
apartment
unit,
which
is
separate
from
the
house,
but
ineffectively
negates
any
description
of
calling
it
a
single-family
home.
There
is
a
public
entrance
also
on
the
North
side
across
from
our
property
and
the
color,
rendering
that
is
in
the
plans,
has
it
facing
us
not
to
the
East,
and
it's
certainly
not
in
the
rear,
there's
little
gap
between
that
proposed
entrance,
and
this
proposed
Edition
that's
also
part
of
the
plan.
E
There
will
also
be
air
conditioning
condensers,
which
don't
show
up
in
those
renderings
when
Brooke
texted
us
to
ask
us
if
we
wanted
to
meet
to
discuss
the
plans
she
referred
to
this
as
the
little
addition
the
owner
also
said.
There
would
be
terracing
on
the
ground
next
to
the
entrance,
but
when
I
pressed
her
for
details,
she
could
offer
none
as
retaining
walls,
drainage,
Landscaping,
all
of
which
might
affect
our
probably
our
property.
E
Adversely
and
again,
these
plans
have
been
around
for
many
months,
yet
she
could
not
pin
down
specifics
on
those
and
when
I
express
concern
about
decades-old
plantings
that
we
have
that
are
on
our
side
of
the
property
and
that
I
was
concerned
about
harm
or
having
to
move
them.
She
could
offer
me
no
comment
when
I
brought
up
security
and
lighting
precautions
in
what
would
now
be
a
public
entrance.
Brooks
seemed
to
have
not
considered
any
of
those
having
a
public.
Yet
secluded
entrance
adjacent
to
our
property
concerns
us
greatly.
E
She
mentioned
one
reason
she
likes.
The
neighborhood
is
because
it
is
dark,
as
we
have
had
several
attempted
break-ins
and
there
have
been
other
burglaries
in
the
neighborhood.
We
are
less
sanguine
about
this
and
it
adds
to
our
hardship
in
this
matter.
Brooke
told
us
that,
since
this
apartment
will
have
a
separate
entrance,
there
is
little
limit
to
how
many
people
to
whom
she
could
rent
as
long
as
they
can
prove
that
they
are
related
to
each
other.
Pardon.
E
Will
go
as
fast
as
I
can
thank
you
yeah.
She
can
rent
to
two
people
or
ten
in
this
basement
underground
apartment.
She
provided
no
information
on
how
she
will
screen
these
tenants
when
I
asked
if
she
considered
this
affordable
housing,
she
said
no,
she
was
doing
it
to
make
money
and
reminded
us
that
she
had
been
renting
out
to
roommates
for
some
years.
We
were
aware
of
that.
That's
a
common
practice
near
the
University.
E
There
is
also
to
be
work
done
in
the
Attic
which
we
were
not
told
about.
We
only
saw
that
when
we
saw
the
plans
yesterday
and
the
office
Edition
she
made
no
mention
to
us,
although
she
obviously
does
in
the
plans
of
security
concerns
or
privacy
concerns.
If
she
has
security
concerns
about
her
clients
acting
up.
Imagine
what
we
feel
when
we're
five
feet
away.
There's
no
public
benefit
to
converting
this
architecturally
historic
signal,
family
home
on
a
historic
block
to
a
multi-unit
dwelling.
E
Several
years
ago,
one
of
our
neighbors
asked
if
he
could
start
his
private
business
above
his
garage
in
a
new
garage
he
was
denied
if
that
was
denied.
Why
should
this?
Which
is
infinitely
more
intrusive,
be
granted?
It
is
not
clear
that
she
has
a
clear
understanding
of
how
much
detail
is
involved
and
how
this
will
affect
us
as
we
are
right
there
and
what
are
the
discrepancies
between
what
we
were
told
on
Saturday
and
what
you
have
already
heard
and
seen
that
we
were
never
given
any
kind
of
privy
to
I'm.
E
Could
you
just
believe
that
granting
this
major
variants
would
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
our
use
and
enjoyment
of
this
property
and
its
values,
as
well
as
those
of
our
historically
important
block,
and
she
has
been
clear-
this
is
about
her
additional
income,
not
about
anything
else.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
he
has
asked
to
waive
his
time
for
the
record.
Okay.
A
I'm
sorry
was
there
anyone
else
who
wanted
to
speak?
Who
is
not
on
here.
F
Maybe
it's
in
the
material
it's
submitted,
but
the
addition
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
seems
to
be
an
office
space
which
is
entered
from
the
outside.
So
it's
not
related
to
the
residential
uses
of
the
house
and
I'm
wondering
since
it
is
accessible
from
the
outside.
How
exactly
that
space
is
intended
to
be
used.
C
D
F
C
All
right
what
the
gentleman
is
referring
to
is
the
entry
for
the
one
Adu
unit,
which
is
per
the
code
in
Evanston
allowed
in
a
basement
of
a
single-family,
residence
and
I
believe
it
is
also
required
that
that
unit
be
less
than
one
thousand
square
feet
and
the
lady
who
just
commented
is
incorrect.
You
cannot
have
10
people
down
there.
C
You
can
only
have
three
occupants
unrelated
to
the
ownership
and
I
believe
that
is
what
the
code
States
on
the
point
you
raised,
Mr
Cohen,
there's
no
access
from
the
exterior,
but
the
concern
of
the
neighbor
on
the
north
is
for
the
access
to
the
Adu
unit,
which
is
a
depressed
area.
Yes,
there
are
retaining
walls.
C
C
Since
Brook
Harper
spoke
with
the
neighbor
on
the
North
over
this
last
weekend,
we've
only
had
to
date
the
security
light
which
is
motion
detected.
F
All
we
are
asked
to
do
is
to
comment
on
the
addition
that's
being
made
to
what
is
a
historically
significant
house
by
a
very
important
early
20th
century
Chicago
architect,
who
was
a
collaborator
and
a
colleague
of
Frank,
Lloyd,
Wright
and
shared
office
space
with
him,
Myron
hunt
who
went
out
to
California
and
then
had
a
very
distinguished
career
there.
So
we're
going
to
look
at
it
in
terms
of
the
standards
for
its
compatibility
with
this
historic
shingled
structure,.
G
I
just
did
want
to
mention,
though
it
does
say
that
we're
supposed
to
give
a
recommendation
around
zoning,
which
we
may
or
I
mean
we
can
opt
out
of
I.
Think
that's,
maybe
why
the
neighbor
stressed
some
of
the
zoning
issues
to
us
today.
C
Okay
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
folks
have
seen
if.
C
C
C
C
There
you
go
all
right
and
from
the
west
or
rear
portion
of
that
plan.
You're.
Looking
at
the
addition
is
at
the
left
at
the
rear.
There
are
two
condensing
units
that
the
owner
to
the
north,
pointed
to
between
that
Edition
and
a
retaining
wall
that
contains
the
concrete
steps
going
down
to
the
Adu
unit.
C
The
angle
and
semi-circular
lines
of
the
terracing
drops
down
to
allow
the
basement
current
area,
which
becomes
the
Adu
unit
to
have
an
access
to
light
ventilation.
Those
windows
are
existing,
one
of
which
would
be
changed
to
an
escape
window.
There
would
be
a
light
and
drainage
at
that
lower
point.
The
drainage
going
to
a
system
which
is
exited
through
a
sump
pump.
C
You
can
see
there
is
access
from
the
porch
that
is
existing
with
steps
down
to
the
sidewalk
walking
around
to
the
Adu
unit
and
there's
a
Paving
stone
walkway
directly
to
the
east,
shown
as
circular
symbols
going
to
the
east
public
sidewalk
I
think
that's
the
sidewalk.
The
neighbor
was
referring
to
as
being
or
allowing
the
public
to
access
the
north
side
of
this
property.
C
C
The
plan
you're
looking
at
is
of
the
first
floor
of
the
existing
building
and
if
you
see
the
living
room
on
the
right,
lower
dining
on
the
left,
you'll
see
a
doorway
leading
to
the
kitchen
area
and
those
are
steps
going
up
to
the
second
level,
to
the
left
of
that
walking
into
the
kitchen.
There's
an
existing
bathroom
to
be
removed,
and
that's
where
the
steps
occur.
Going
down
to
the
addition.
C
C
C
Please
note
that
in
oh,
what
shall
I
say
to
some
degree,
respect
of
of
the
architecture.
That's
there
and
coming
from
our
submission
to
the
state
of
Illinois,
the
preservation
Commission
in
Springfield,
we
decided
to
depress
that
addition
down
into
the
ground
three
feet
to
keep
the
roof
lower
to
begin
with.
Secondly,
and
contrary
to
most
of
the
responses,
I've
got
from
that
Commission.
C
We
are
to
duplicate
this,
the
shingles
and
the
color
of,
and
around
the
addition
and
the
roof
structure
to
match
what
is
existing.
That's
why?
You
see
no
distinction,
if
you
will
between
what's
being
shown
as
the
addition
and
what's
existing
on
the
building.
There
are
substantial
repairs
which
the
owner
has
begun,
but
will
continue
through
this
process
of
renovation.
They
will
include
the
walls
as
well
exterior
walls
as
well
as
roof
and
windows.
H
C
The
distance
approximately
I
don't
know
because
I
don't
have
a
survey,
but
I
would
say
it's
almost
equal
on
the
North
lot
to
what
is
existing
now.
It
might
be
15
to
17
or
more
feet,
so
the
the
position
of
their
South
Wall
could
be
approximately
20
feet
away
away
away
from
this
wall,
but
I'd
stand
corrected
based
upon
their
survey,
which
I
don't
have
access
to.
I
J
Hi
so
looking
at
the
rendering
we're
looking
at
right
now
at
towards
the
the
main
front,
porch
there's
a
little
shed
piece
there
and
I
think
I
see
that
in
another
image.
Is
that
existing?
Yes.
C
J
Okay-
and
it
just
maybe
looks
a
little
bit
different
because
it
got
colorized
as
part
of
the
rendering
Maybe
okay,
it
is
existing
and
and
the
the
form
that
is
behind
it.
That
goes
up
to
the
porch
roof.
That's
also
existing
and
is
at
the
front
door
next
to
that.
Yes,
all
that
right
there,
okay!
Thank
you.
D
C
That
being
anything,
do
you
have
any
shots
of
the
rear
of
the
building?
Okay,
this
is
what
you're
referring
to
Mr
Klein
is
a
existing
Steel
fire
or
Escape
that
was
put
on
the
building.
I,
frankly,
don't
know
at
what
point
in
time
I
would
suspect
it's
at
least
20
to
30
years
or
so
years
of
age.
There.
F
C
Planning
permeable
for
planting
okay,
very
definitely
the
whole
idea
there
is
to
give
the
occupant
more
than
a
basement
view
if
you
will,
but
something
that
leads
up
and
out
to
the
grade
level
and
gives
a
greater
feeling
of
of
having
some
natural
views
out
there
window.
C
They
would
approximately
six
inches
just
to
be
above
the
grade,
so
a
you
can
see
them
be
mounted
railing
on
them
or
not
have
the
grade
wash
over
them.
H
C
C
C
C
They
discussed
that
topic
and
frankly,
the
result,
as
we're
now
suggesting
is
to
shift
the
window
shown
in
the
basement
plan
from
the
one,
if
you
will
on
the
south,
to
the
one
on
the
North
to
make
sure
the
terracing
would
come
up
and
out
on
Miss
Harper's
property
not
overlap
or
be
in
any
way
over.
The
line
of
the
neighbor
to
the
South,
keep
in
mind
that
when
these
homes
were
in
constructed
we're
really
talking
about
almost
a
town
home
concept
more
than
a
hundred
years
ago.
These
are
not
separated
individual
residences.
H
I
C
I
C
F
C
It
has
to
be
no
more
than
three
feet
above
the
finished
floor
in
the
basement.
So
that's
the
criteria
we
have
to
accept
and
shall
we
say
putting
in
a
new
window
in
the
existing
space
we
have
the
width,
we
don't
have
the
proper
height.
Therefore,
the
reason
for
the
terracing
down
and
again
that
one
would
be
drained
as
well
to
a
sump
pump
system
got.
H
I
F
C
J
So
a
few
questions
hi,
so
the
the
addition
form
that
pokes
up
the
highest
a
little
Tower,
that's
for
Headroom
for
the
stairs
to
get
down
into
the
office
space.
J
C
J
C
It
was
actually
lowered
by
my
firm
going
to
the
state
because
we
frankly
have
made
presentations
of
this
nature
many
times
in
the
past,
and
we
know
the
silhouette
is
an
issue
and
that
issue
is,
as
you
get
closer
to
the
front
of
the
home
more
of
an
issue.
So.
I
C
Wanted
to
depress
that
and
make
it
as
quiet
if
you
will
as
possible.
I
think
that
perspective.
If
you
could
bring
that
back
a
moment,
the
illustrator
tried
to
put
some
Shrubbery
in
front
on
the
north
side
of
the
north
wall
of
the
addition,
but
we
decided
to
take
it
away.
So
you
could
see
the
addition,
but
yes,
we
would
have
more
shrub
and
the
front
of
that
or
north
side
of
the
addition.
Okay.
G
Foreign
I
just
wanted
to
hear
what
the
Commissioners
thought
about
just
overall,
like
the
look
and
shape
of
that
I
know
it's
towards
the
back,
but
it
is
on
the
side.
I
think
it's
a
a
bit
unusual.
I
I've,
never
seen
an
Edition
quite
like
that
with
sunken
like
that,
but
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
people's
opinions
on.
F
Yeah
I
mean
the
the
front
of
the
house,
and
the
entry
porch
are
bumps
and
things
that
are
additive
to
the
house,
but
they're
at
a
much
different
scale.
From
what
you're
doing
I
think
that
probably
the
decision
to
retain
the
kitchen
windows
and
flatten
the
top
of
the
hip
over
the
main
part
of
the
office
is
is
a
good
one.
F
F
Porch
I
think
the
way
those
things
come
together
at
different
heights
is
visually
problematical
and
is
what's
making
the
appearance
of
it
seem
almost
a
jumble
and
looking
at
the
plan,
I'm
wondering
you've
taken
out
a
bathroom
to
create
the
aisle
alongside
the
kitchen
Peninsula,
and
you
go
almost
to
the
exterior
wall
before
you
start
going
down,
and
then
this
little
bump
that
John
was
talking
about
with
a
mini
kind
of
miniature
hip
roof
on.
F
If
the
stare
down
could
start
at
the
basically
the
South
edge
of
that
Peninsula,
you
would
still
have
the
same
visual
dimension
for
the
kitchen,
but
you
probably
could
get
down
enough
to
sort
of
clear
the
the
framing
for
your
new
ceiling
in
the
office
space
and
just
basically
eliminate
that,
or
at
least
subsume
it
into
the
hip
roof
that
you've
that
you've
already
got
there
and
I
would
think
that
if
you
went
down
a
couple
of
more
steps,
outboard
of
the
covered
porch
for
the
lower
apartment
entry
that
maybe
you
could
carry
the
eve
line
of
the
main
office
around
and
make
it
the
eve
line
of
the
covering
for
the
steps
down
as
well.
F
C
C
There
would
be
Sewells
in
that
area,
except
that
we
recessed
or
made
the
bar
top
lesson
with.
But
let
me
go
back
to
your
suggestion.
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
there's
another
component
to
making
that
decision,
namely
the
seating
at
that
bar
top.
C
But
as
far
as
the
leading
that,
if
you
will
third
Cube
or
or
extension
that
may
be
possible,
certainly
you
can
delete
it
if
the
seating
is
given
up
on
the
counter,
whether
the
height
of
the,
if
I,
understood
you
correctly,
Mr
cone
of
the
covering
over
the
entry
to
the
Adu
unit
would
suffice.
C
I'm
not
sure
I'd
have
to
cut
a
section
there,
but
I
don't
believe
that
the
roof
of
the
addition
could
consume
both
of
them
and
I,
wouldn't
want
it
to
because
that
elongates
the
shape,
if
you
will
of
the
addition,
I'd,
have
to
cut
it
back
closer
to
the
wall,
to
just
have
it
form
and
be
used
as
a
canopy
over
the
stair
to
the
Adu
unit.
Yeah
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
extend
that
Edition
roof
in
its
eyes.
F
The
seating
that
you
could
get
enough
steps
down
to
actually
fit
under
the
the
roof
which,
at
that
point,
the
roof
on
the
main
office,
can
I
I'm
just
trying
to
suggest
a
way
that
you
might
sort
of
simplify
all
this,
but
obviously
you're
designing
it.
So.
A
L
A
L
Convinced,
on
height
being
visually,
compatible
with
properties,
structure
sites,
public
waves
objects,
we
haven't
seen
anything
of
this
particular
Edition
in
the
context
with
surrounding
buildings,
so
that
we
can
discuss.
You
know
again
that
height
across
the
context
and
some
of
these
others,
like
rhythm
of
entrance
porches
and.
K
C
The
Adu
unit
is
entered
from
the
depressed,
concrete
stairs.
Okay,
then
our
access
from
the
exterior
the
office
Edition,
oh.
A
I
was
going,
I
was
going
to
ask
her
about
that,
so,
commissioner
Morris
I
just
wanted
to
I'm.
Sorry
are
you
were
you
done,
commissioner
Sullivan?
So
I
was
going
to
ask
you
about
the
standards
in
particular
that
you
were
referring
to
the
construction
standards.
Number
one
is
that
okay?
Was
there
anything
in
the
alteration
standards
that
we
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
since
this
is
an
alteration
also.
A
A
Porches,
thank
you.
Rhythm
Of,
Interest
forces,
so
I
knew
that
they're,
so
standards
for
review
of
construction
number
one
numbers
one
and
six
have
come
up
and
also
I
I'm.
Sorry,
then
I
was
asking
about
standards
for
review
of
alteration.
If
there
was
anything
in
particular,
you
wanted
him
to
address.
L
I
think,
commissioner
Cohen's
comments.
You
know
that
have
we
investigated
every
possible
option
to
make
this
a
more
simplistic,
less
intrusive.
You
know
three
sort
of
Edition
process
kind
of
speaks
to
number
one.
As
far
as
the
minimal
alteration
of
the
property.
F
F
Yeah
number
eight.
A
I
A
F
That
that
would
be
the
the
covered,
the
porch
covering
for
the
steps
down
to
the
unit
in
the
basement
and
then
the
roof
and
the
enclosure
for
the
stair.
I
J
J
C
A
C
A
D
I
just
have
a
question
because
I
mean
we're
what
it
was,
this
five
standards
that
we've
now
cited
and
I
mean
I'm,
just
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
jumping
the
gun,
but
you
know
on
this
white
piece
of
paper
for
asking
for
the
for
the
zoning,
and
you
know
we
we've
already
we've
delineated
five
standards
that
that
I
that
we
need
further.
You
know
information
on
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
you
know.
How
does
that
relate
to
the
these
questions,
for
the
zoning
I
think.
B
B
Correct,
yes,
okay
and
and
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
to
answer
your
question,
commissioner
client,
is
that
if,
if
they
do,
then
this
should
not
proceed
to
the
land
use
commission
until
those
changes
are
proposed
and
finalized,
so
that
it
can
be
properly
noticed
for
that
commission
and
the.
K
D
Why
it's
just
it's
just
because
we're
up
to
five
standards
that
we've,
you
know
that
we've
listed
and
I
I
don't
feel
comfortable,
sending
this
to
land
use
without
at
least
having
a
continuation
and
and
getting
more
information
to
address
those
standards,
because
I
don't
think
that
we
would
be
able
to
do
that
tonight.
But
well.
B
B
A
B
It's
always
a
little
bit:
it's
always
a
little
bit
of
a
chicken
and
egg,
because
you
could
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
send
it
to
land
use
commission,
and
they
might,
you
know,
approve
it
with
conditions
that
reduce
or
change
what
the
appearance
looks
like,
and
it
would
come
back
so
there's
there's
always
that
possibility,
but
I
think
that
it's
not
uncommon,
I.
Think
in
this
instance,
these
things
are
somewhat
disconnected.
B
G
Kate,
are
you
saying
that
excuse
me,
it
could
go
forward
with
zoning
without
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
us,
correct.
B
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
it
could
be.
Can
it
could
be
continued?
The
way
that
this
is
just
somewhat
aligning
is
that
it
would
actually,
if
it
was
continued,
you
would
come
back
here.
The
second
week
of
July
this
case
is
tentatively
scheduled
to
go
to
the
land
use.
Commission
I
think
it
would
be
the
day
after
the
preservation
commission
meeting
I
can.
B
G
Has
that
happened
before
I'm
just
Cade
has
that
happened
where
it's
got
not
gotten
a
COA,
and
it's
moved
forward
to
zoning
I'm,
just
wondering
how,
as
a
commissioner,
how
they
make
a
decision
without
actually
seeing
what
they're
voting
on
I
mean
they'll
have
a
sense,
I
suppose,
but
they
won't
really
know
what
it's
supposed
to
look
like.
It
just
seems
strange
to
me
that
you
would
vote
on
something
without
knowing
what
it's
going
to
look
like
I.
B
Can't
think
of
an
instance,
at
least
in
recent
memory,
where
something
like
that
has
happened.
It's
not
entirely
typical
for
major
variations
to
come
before
this
body.
I
think
it
said
you
know
it
happens,
one
or
two
times
a
year.
B
B
C
B
What
I'm
hearing
from
this
body
is
that
they
have
requested
changes
that
and
they've.
It
sounds
like
they're
leaning
towards
continuing
this
case
to
allow
you
the
opportunity
to
make
some
of
these
changes
so
that
some
of
these
standards
are
addressed.
The
way
that
this
case
is
currently
scheduled.
If
that
continuance
happened,
would
be
that
you
would
go
to
the
preservation
Commission
in
the
in
the
following
day,
you
would
have
your
land
use
commission.
B
Hearing
that
that's
all
I
was
saying
you
could
request
that
that
land
use
commission
hearing
get
pushed
off
or
not
I,
don't
see
anything
that
says
that
we
have
to
wait
for
this
commission
to
make
a
decision
prior
to
it.
Going
to
The
Landings
commission.
C
For
what
it's
worth
to
the
commission,
I
would
prefer.
We
came
back
here
on
the
11th,
got
a
decision
and
then
went
the
next
day
to
the
land.
Use
commission
I,
don't
want
to
move
forward
from
this
point
and
then
have
to
go
backwards
for
whatever
set
of
reasons
appearing
before
the
land
use
Commission.
So
I
think
that
is
a
logical
step
to
take
I.
B
C
Yes,
that's
agreed
upon
so.
A
So,
just
to
be
clear,
Mr
Kirsty,
It's
relatively
unusual
for
us
to
have
questions
about
five
standards.
So
that's
why
we
were
suggesting
a
continuance
on
this
case,
but
you
would
like
us
to
consider
the
land
use
the
variance
question
recommendation.
I
guess
I
should
say
right.
G
C
I
A
C
If
I
could
have
a
copy
of
those,
both
I
would
appreciate
it.
B
I'll,
send
you
a
list
of
the
of
the
findings
and
the
discussion
in
the
in
the
five
standards
that
were
identified
and
we
can
always
follow
up
and
and
have
a
conversation
together
or
meet
in
person
or
something
I.
J
Okay,
so
thank
you
before
we
move
on
to
christening
a
continuation.
I
just
have
a
couple
other
comments
that
I
want
to
make.
The
the
number
of
volumes
is
one
issue
that
I
think
we're
addressing
with
the
standards
I'm,
not
convinced
that
the
truncated,
hip
roof
is
appropriate
on
this
house.
That
has
the
kind
of
very
classic
pure
geometry
of
the
shingle
Style.
J
Sometimes
we
see
that
kind
of
a
form
when
there's
a
porch
over
it
or
something
else
going
on
or
railing,
or
something
like
that
on
its
own,
especially
when
it
doesn't
have
its
little
sister
buildings
there
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
bluntness
of
it
so,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
mentioned
that
is
that
it
might
end
up
relating
to
something
that
might
affect
zoning.
If
you
end
up
pushing
the
house
of
the
addition
a
little
closer
to
the
house,
maybe
it
can
come
up
a
little
bit.
F
John
in,
in
all
fairness,
while
I
agree
with
you
about
the
truncated
quality
of
the
roof,
it
it
I
understand
it
as
a
way
to
preserve
two
existing
historic
windows
in
the
site.
Elevation
of
the
house.
The
comment
that
I
wanted
to
make
is
that,
while
we
could
make
what,
if
you're
willing
to
come
back
on
the
12th,
when
we
re-review
this,
we
could
make
a
recommendation.
F
Sorry
on
the
11th.
We
could
make
a
recommendation
to
zoning
if
you
wanted
us
to,
but
frankly,
I
see
that
what
we
do
and
the
determination
that
zoning
will
make
is
entirely
unrelated
and
very
different.
The
issues
that
we're
addressing
have
nothing
to
do
with
what
zoning
will
look
at,
which
is
that
this
is
an
existing
non-conforming
house,
which
is
already
rather
dramatically
over
built
for
the
size
of
the
house.
So
what
they
have
to
determine
is
whether
or
not
they
feel
okay
authorizing
more
construction
on
this
site
and
more
ground
coverage.
F
B
And
just
to
clarify
for
the
commission,
because
it's
it's
relatively
confusing,
I
think
the
how
to
provide
recommendations
to
The
Landings
commission,
and
so,
if
I've
asked
for
a
decent
amount
of
guidance
on
it.
So
it's
a
it's
an
it's
a
it's,
not
that
all
three
of
these
standards
in
front
of
you
have
to
be
met.
It's
either
the
first
one
is
met
so
either
this
is
it's
necessary
and
appropriate
in
the
interest
of
historic
preservation.
I
can
give
you
an
example
would
be
Recreation
of
an
original
feature
that
was
lost.
B
That
now
is
not
allowed
under
the
zoning
or
the
other
two
have
to
be
met,
and
these
are
specifically
related
to
economic
hardship
and
not
economic
hardship
in
the
sense
of
economic
burden,
but
in
the
lens
of
a
taking
that
in
the
instance
that
preservation
devalues
a
property
or
does
not
allow
it
to
reach
its
its
development
potential
that
you
are
authorizing
or
recommending
the
major
variations
can
offset
that
balance
and
that
that
offset
is
not
detrimental
to
the
public
health
and
general
welfare.
So
these
are
the.
It
is
somewhat
convoluted.
B
I
would
say
in
most
instances
that
it
comes
in
front
of
you
it
it
doesn't
relate
to
the
you
know
the
interests
of
historic
preservation.
There
was
one,
maybe
six
months
ago
or
something
or
someone
came
to
recreate
an
original
front
porch
and
it
was
a
front
yard
setback.
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
rare
instance
where
it
was
yes,
this
this
does
meet
meet
the
standards,
but
it's
just
my
own
clarification
for
the
commission.
C
C
59
I
want
to
address
your
comment.
Okay,
I,
don't
agree
with
you.
I
think
that
the
nature
of
this
house
and
frankly
part
of
the
beauty
of
the
architect's
original
design
of
it,
is
that
the
massing
does
have
several
elements
that
are
added
to
and
part
of
the
structure.
That
was
the
effort
here
and
we'll
be
happy
to
look
at
your
concern,
commissioner.
C
Morris
on
the
point
of
the
number
of
them,
but
I
don't
concur
that
it's
not
part
of
the
building's
design
and
please,
if
you
have
any
other
comments
that
you
want
us
to
address.
Let
me
know
them
if
not
I'll
be
happy
to
be
back
here
on
the
11th.
D
A
A
B
Jeannie
petrick,
architect
and
applicant
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
an
open
front
porch
at
the
home's
West
Street
facing
elevation,
remove
a
wood
exterior
deck
stair
at
the
North
elevation's
rear
volume
and
infill,
with
in-kind
framing
posts
and
railing
install
a
bracketed
overhang
over
the
rear,
entryway
replace
one
over
one.
Wood
double
hung
windows
in
kind
with
custom,
milled,
akoya
wood
windows
and
replace
wood
shingles
in
the
North
and
South
Gable
ends
with
the
Koya
wood
shingles.
M
Add
a
porch
to
the
front
of
their
house,
which
we
believe
was
there
many
years
ago,
and
it
happened.
If
you
see
the
photos
am
I
in
control,
are
you
driving?
Okay,
the
you
can
see
the
front
stoop
is
deteriorated
or,
if
you
drove
by
it's
an
existing
concrete
stoop
with
some
Stone
clad
in
the
the
stone
you
can
see,
is
falling
apart.
So
that
was
kind
of
what
instigated
this
project
and
then
to
the
South
and
to
the
north
of
them
and
then
all
along
the
street.
M
M
So
if
you,
you
know,
you
can
see
that
all
these
houses
line
up
and
the
front
porch
is
align,
and
so
that
was
our
goal
to
bring
that
back
in
with
the
same
proportions
and
similar
proportions
as
the
neighboring
houses
and
currently
also
they
have
vinyl
siding,
which
we
would
like
to
bring
back
to
Wood.
My
client
had
found
this
product
that
was
really
interesting
and
I.
Think
it's
the
Scandinavian
process
of
treating
wood.
M
That
is
so
it's
a
treated
wood,
so
it's
wood
and
it's
actually
a
green
process
and
I'll
pass
the
samples
around.
M
But
we'd
be
proposing
to
replace
the
vinyl
siding
with
this
wood
siding
as
well
as
the
Marvin
actually
will
also
use
this
wood
for
the
wood
windows
that
they
want
to
replace
all
the
windows
are
double
hung
or
well.
Some
of
them
are
might
be
casement,
but
not
none
of
them
have
mullions
in
them
or
any
intricate
architectural
detail,
and
if
you
can
also
notice
where
that
chimney
is.
This
is
the
north
elevation.
M
So
you
can
see
the
front
proposed
porch
in
this
elevation
at
one
side
and
then
the
back.
You
can
see
the
proposed
covered
entry
just
to
the
back
door.
Currently
it
has
one
back
door
and
two
double
hung
and
because
we
wanted
to
extend,
we
thought
architecturally,
it
looked
smarter
to
extend
the
whole
covered.
Porch
yeah
Kate
on
the
back
of
the
house,
yeah
number
three,
the
drawing
number
three
so
we're
extending
the
the
base
sits
out.
M
So
the
covered
entry
terminates
into
the
bay
on
one
side
and
then
it'll
be
bracketed
with
an
architectural
bracket
on
the
other,
and
this
is
simply
just
for
a
covered
entry
into
their
back.
We're
also
replacing.
Because
of
that.
We
thought
it
would
look
better
with
three
thick.
Two
of
them
will
be
fixed
doors
and
then
one
will
be
active
door
into
their
back
family
room
and
then
on
the
front
of
the
house.
M
M
That
was
over,
that
not
in
style
exactly
but
just
the
pitch,
so
that
it
was
the
focal
point
of
an
entry
and
then
everything
else
would
shed
back
to
the
house,
but
also
with.
If
you
look
at
the
existing
per
house,
it's
very
vertical,
even
if
you're
right
in
front
of
it
just
because
all
the
materials
go
all
the
way
up
and
if
you
notice
down
the
street
you'll
see
that
all
these
houses
that
are
pretty
narrow
and
very
vertical
just
to
articulate
them
and
break
up
the
spaces
they
used.
M
M
So
that's
why
we
wanted
to
to
introduce
the
shingles
on
the
face
of
the
front
of
the
North
and
then
also
to
the
side,
the
side
Dormers
and
the
back
Dormers,
and
we
just
thought
that
would
also
help
to
kind
of
bring
it
back
to
the
historical
intentions
that
were
probably
there
before
the
vinyl
siding
the
just.
So
you
know
that
is
a
hatch.
It's
not
the
actual
style
of
the
shingles
that
we're
proposing
as
a
straight
edge
shingle.
M
So
it's
pretty
straightforward
not
to
detailed,
but
also
not
too
rustic,
and
the
columns
and
the
railings.
M
M
I
H
Question,
do
you
know
if
those
shingles
are
still
there
in
the
Gable
behind
the
siding.
H
M
Chamfered
corner
or
something
I
mean
I
I
would
be
if
there
was
something
beneath
it
that
we
wanted
to
match.
That's
what
I
would
you
know?
That's
not
what
I'm
proposing
I
would
definitely
recommend
that
to
them.
So
yeah.
H
M
Haven't
been
able
to
get
yeah
and
also
with
the
siding
proportions
like
I'm,
assuming
it's
the
same
sighting
as
they
have
right
now,
but
we
haven't
investigated
that,
and
that
would
definitely
be
my
recommendation
too,
that
we
would
bring
it
back
to
the
existing
proportions.
Original
intent.
M
If
there
was
a
corner
detail,
which
you
know
I
I
would
yeah
I
I
have
no
I.
I
must
I
didn't
look
enough
at
the
other
houses
to
see
what
theirs
were
but
yeah
if
it
was
more
of
a
mitered
corner
or
the
corner
caps.
H
H
A
I
have
a
question
about
that
for
Kate,
actually
for
Stuff.
If
they,
if
we
approve
the
project
as
she
has
presented
it,
and
then
they
remove
the
siding
and
they
discover
something
else
under
there.
What
is
the
do?
They
have
to
come
back,
or
can
we
give
administrative
approval
if
they
have
to
change
it,
I
mean
how
what's
the
process.
B
I
get
that
I,
guess.
Typically,
that's
a
change
that
we
would
review
I
I
can't
imagine
that,
like
the
exposure,
would
be
so
drastically
different,
that
it
wouldn't
be
a
minor
modification
that
we
could
we
could
adjust
or-
or
are
you
referring
to
like
trying
to
restore
the
originals.
A
I
would
like
to
give
applicant
as
much
flexibility
in
this
I
mean
personally,
others
can
disagree,
but
if
they're
trying
to
actually
do
something
positive
to
to
bring
back
what
it
might
have
looked
like
before,
I
wanna
and
it's
not
what
we've
approved
I,
don't
want
them
to
feel
obligated
to
do
what
we
approved.
B
A
M
Yeah,
not
yeah
and
definitely
I
mean
I
would
be
in
agreement
with
you
that
you
know
that
we
would
want
to
match
what's
in
kind,
underneath,
not
necessarily
what's
the
exterior
current
exterior.
A
J
So
you
have
a
question
so
who's
who's,
going
to
make
the
okoya
windows.
M
M
J
Stain
and
is
the
siding
being
treated
the
same
exact
way,
some
sort
of
a
monotone
solution.
Yes,
okay
and
the
columns
on
the
porch
they
look
like
of
a
Doric
order.
Is
that
what
we're
yeah.
M
I
haven't
confirmed
that
those
could
be
made
with
the
Coya,
but
they
definitely
can
be
made
durable
like
either
with
a
poly,
the
poly
resin
process
or
with
wood.
Okay,.
J
I
was
just
more
concerned
about
the
Aesthetics
of
them,
but
yeah
and
do
we
have
any
details
suit?
The
guard
rail
system.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
I
was
going
to
ask
something
similar,
the
the
columns
on
here.
What
we,
the
profile
that
we
see,
is
actually
reflective
of
what
you
intend
to
do.
Yes,
it's
not
just
a
the
equivalent
of
a
hatch,
no.
A
M
F
I'm
not
worried
about
it,
but
it
does
go
to
something
that
John
was
asking
about,
which
is
that
you
know
the
drawing
that
you
brought
to
us
I
think
is
very
nice
and
would
be
a
very
positive
Improvement
of
this
house,
but
it
is
clearly
dependent
on
a
lot
of
details
that
we're
taking
on
faith
and
raises
some
questions.
F
I
mean
I'm
looking
at
the
front
door,
which
is
a
six
panel
door
in
the
original
and
I,
went
to
the
photograph,
and
it
seems
like
an
older,
an
old
door
that
was
stripped.
Do
you
know
whether
it's
an
original
door?
Did
you
think
about
using
it
and
then
in
your
proposed
the
new
front
door?
F
Is
it?
Is
it
just
a
two
panel
solid
door,
and
you
know
I
mean
where,
where
where
did
where
did
stuff
like
that?
Come
from.
M
M
M
J
D
F
And
I
mean
again
the
you
know:
there
are
lots
of
lines
shown
in
the
impediment
sitting
at
impedimented,
section
of
of
roof
sitting
over
the
columns
and
I
have
no
idea
what.
F
Mean
I
hope,
they're
profiled
and
that
that
the
setback
for
each
of
those
layers
is
something
that
looks
like
it
would
plausibly
go
with
the
house.
The
the
other
thing
that
that's
kind,
that's
interesting,
is
that
if
you
look
at
the
photographs
that
the
decorative
Gable
that's
over,
the
door
looks
like
something
that
people
were
buying
at
lumber
yards
for
a
long
time
and
and
it
is
set
so
that
it,
oh
basically,
is
on
the
flat
face
of
the
bay.
F
But
when
you
extend
the
the
Gable,
it
actually
is
going
to
lap
around
the
side
of
the
bay
which
is
not
shown
in
your
drawing.
So
the
whole
question
of
how
that's
done
in
standing
seam,
and
then
you
know
what
happens
where
the
the
the
fascia
and
I
assume
some
sort
of
gutter
turns
the
corner
and
then
goes
back.
Does
it
get
CL?
It
will
have
to
be
clipped
off
at
an
angle
and
that's
something
that.
F
Right
there
yeah
that
that
roof
is
going
to
con.
It's
it's
going.
F
Past,
oh
actually,
it's.
F
Get
cut
off
at
an
angle
as
well
a
gutter,
so
I
mean
your
drawing,
looks
wonderful
and
you
know
short
of
seeing
and
understanding
that
you're
gonna
detail
this
and
be
on
top
of
all
of
that
little
stuff.
You
know
we're
we're
sort
of
taking
it
on
faith.
J
Genie
is
the
is
this
is
the
siding
that
you
have
one
note
I
think
on
the
front
elevation
that
indicates
that
it's
shingles
everywhere,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
new
linear,
siding
on
the
main
body
of
the
house.
Only
the
shingles
and
the
up
and
The
Gables
right,
yes,
okay,
and
is
that
a
beveled
shaped
siding
or
is
it
flush?
Is
there
a
reveal?
Oh.
J
M
Was
proposing
it
once
again
based
on
what's
there
now
but
like
we
said
we
don't
know
if.
J
A
Can
I
I
would
like
to
just
return
to
what
we
were
talking
about
a
second
ago
with
the
the
pediment
and
the
so
on
page
13
I'm,
looking
at
front
list
elevation
existing
and
front
west
elevation
proposed
next
to
each
other.
I
A
So
if
you,
if
you
just
put
a
kid,
if
you
want
to
just
zoom
out
a
tiny
bit
and
then
yeah
so
the
pediment
is
quite
a
bit
wider
than
the
the
one.
That's
there
now
so
correct.
Can
you
explain
again
how
it
is
that
the
roof
line
is
going
to
intersect
with
the
part
of
the
of
the
elevation?
That's
heading
backwards,.
M
There
I
think
there's
a
framing
plan
or
a
roof
plan
on
that
I.
Don't
know
where
that
would
be.
M
So
if
you
actually
zoom
into
number
three,
it's
just
the
framing
plan
but
I'm
sorry
Kate
keep
on
going
you're
up
there.
Three,
if
you
you
see
the
footprint
of
the
existing
house
with
the
and
then
you'll
see
the
two
columns.
This
is
the
roof
plan,
and
so
that
roof
would
be
extending
past
the
columns.
And
then
you
see
the
back
Edge
that
comes
into
the
side
of
the
house.
If
that
makes
sense,.
A
So
then,
the
other
question
that
I
had
and
there's
a
large
tree.
Yes,
so
is
that
going
to
make
room
for
this.
M
We
hope
it
is
not
the
plan
is
we
want
to
see
if
we
can
save
it
and
keep
that
structural
post
or
we're
going
to
look
into
possibly
creating
kind
of
a
cantilever
like
a
triangular
cantilever
on
the
decking
and
the
roof
line,
so
that
it's
all
kind
of
hidden
behind
that
intermittent
one
of
those
intermittent
posts.
And
then
it
would
triangulate
back
to
the
house
so
that
it
would
we'd
be
able
to
keep
the
column
and
the.
M
I
am
not
sure
I
would
suspect.
It's
a
Dutch
Elm,
okay,.
M
F
You
have
a
framing
plan
for
the
roof.
You
don't
have
a
framing
plan
that
shows
the
foundation
for
the
deck,
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
can
do
is
if,
if
you
put
the
deck
the
the
posts
that
hold
up
the
beam
on
sonotube
columns
is
you
can
gingerly
excavate
and
if
you
hit
a
roof,
then
you
move
the
sonotube
foundation
over,
because
if
you
size
the
beam,
that's
holding
up
the
edge
of
the
deck
sufficiently,
you
should
be
able
to
do
that.
F
That'll
work
with
some
species
of
trees,
if
you
don't
sever,
very
many
roots
or
any
significant
Roots
by
gerrymandering,
yeah,
obviously
in
a
straight
line,
but
by
gerrymandering,
the
found,
the
summit
tube
footings,
you're,
fine,
if
it's
an
oak
tree,
forget
it
it's
dead,
the
minute
you
start
Excavating
next
to
it,
and
if
you
can
really
genuinely
concerned
about
the
tree,
I
would
give
an
arborist
out
and
I
would
maybe
even
pay
the
arborist
to
be
there
when
they're
digging.
You
know
for
your
for
your
footings,
my.
A
M
Go
we're
hoping
to
save
it.
I
mean
that
is
our
full
intention.
So
I
appreciate
your
ideas
towards
how
to
do
that,
and
then
the
goal
would
still
you
know.
Obviously
it
wouldn't
affect
the
visuals
right
at
all
right.
It
would
all
be
Underground.
C
J
I
am
prepared
to
make
a
motion,
but
first
I
have
a
question
so
and
and
I'm
going
to
move
that
we
is
your
certificate
of
appropriateness,
but
in
relation
to
some
of
the
additional
data
that
that
we
would
like
to
see,
can
I
make
that
contingent.
Upon
Our
excellent
City
staff
review
and
including,
if
there's
any
question
about
something
meeting
the
standards
can
Commissioners
then
be
brought
in
after
the
fact
for
a
review.
B
So
so
you
would
and
you'll
have
to
submit
some
of
these
details
anyway,
as
you
go
in
for
permit,
but
we'll
review.
Some
of
these
details,
I
mean
I,
think
one
might
be
a
section
through
the
front,
porch
and
understanding
how
it
wraps
around
and
some
of
the
details
of
the
railing
system
and
and
those
things
and
the
pediment.
I
B
Think
what
they're
saying
is
that
they're
comfortable
with
me
reviewing
that,
but
often
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
reach
out
to
you,
I'm
a
commissioner
or
two
and
circulate
those
drawings
as
well
to
get
their
feedback
and
make
sure
that
they're
comfortable
with
with
those
details
of
once
proposed
sure.
J
J
Okay,
okay,
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
21.25,
Sherman,
Avenue,
Northeast,
historic
district
case
23,
pres
0096
to
construct
an
open
front
porch
at
the
homes
West
Street
facing
elevation,
remove
a
wood
exterior
deck
stair
at
the
North
elevations
rear
volume
and
infill,
with
in-kind
framing
posts
and
railing
install
a
bracketed
overhang
over
the
rear,
entryway
replace
all
one
over
one.
J
Wood
double
hung
windows
in
kind
with
custom,
milled,
okoya
wood
windows
and
replace
wood
shingles
in
the
North
and
South
Gable
ends
with
akoya
wood
shingles
to
match
existing
contingent
upon
staff
approval.
And
if
there
are
any
questions
relating
to
this
approval,
that
commissioner
opinion
be
be
brought
into.
The
discussion.
A
A
Okay,
it's
been,
it's
been
seconded
all
in
favor
all
opposed
anyone.
Upstate
okay
motion
carries
thank.
I
A
A
D
Motion
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
with,
as
presented
with
no
revisions.
A
D
You
can
quickly
so
the
as
you
may
be
aware,
there's
a
working
group
for
the
Legacy
Business
program,
which
is
now
officially
called
the
Evanston
Legacy
business
Alliance,
and
so
we
have
finalized
a
logo
with
the
graphic
design
firm
he's
pulling
it
up
right
now,
so
it's
slightly
different
than
what
the
colors
are
different,
but
mostly
what
you
see
up
there
is
is
what
was
approved,
Thomas
light
and
the
font
have
the
Thomas
light.
D
I
think
is
the
navy
blue
now
and
the
font
is,
is
just
a
more
slender
font,
but
other
than
that.
That's
the
font,
the
the
logo
that
that
everyone
has
agreed
to
it
was
sent
out
to
the
32.
D
Pilot
businesses
for
comment-
and
we've
heard
back
from
a
few
that
they
appreciate
the
design
and
next
steps
is
to
move
forward
with
the
website
and
the
website
with
then
house
information
on
all
of
the
Legacy
businesses
and
give
a
brief
history
of
why
they're
significant
to
the
city
and
what
contributions
they've.
You
know
they've
added
to
the
city,
and
some
of
them
are
in
architecturally
significant
buildings.
Also
so
I
guess
that
could
be
noted
as
well.
Is
there
anything
else
how.
D
Oh
yes,
the
qualifications
I
think
are
20
years
and
just
to
prove
that
you've
had
a
significant
contribution
to
the
culture
or
I'm
going.
You
know,
Evanston
yeah,.
B
There's
a
number
of
qualifications
that
the
major
one
is
the
20-year
threshold
and
then
basically
that
they're
able
to
demonstrate
some
kind
of
social,
cultural,
economic,
political
contribution
to
the
city
and
that's
kind
of
at
their
that
the
burden
is
on
them
to
demonstrate
that
I
think
most
have
been
very
willing
to
do
that.
They're
very
excited
to
kind
of
share
their
story
and
their
history
and
their
contribution
to
the
city
and
I.
B
Think
that
that's
partially
what
the
website
will
just
be
a
repository
of
those
those
stories
and
that
history,
one
of
the
really
interesting
things
one
of
the
cooler
things
I
think
is
the
city
has
a
videographer,
that's
working
with
the
Economic
Development
Division
and
they're
collecting
some
stories
and
making
some
videos
of
some
of
these
pilot
candidates.
B
That
will
also
be
on
the
website
that
just
kind
of
captures
their
not
only
their
origin
story,
but
how
many
I
mean
these
a
lot
of
these
have
been
in
multiple
locations
and
been
forced
to
relocate
many
times,
and
it's
been
an
enlightening
experience
for
me
to
understand
how
arduous
it
is
for
a
small
business
to
stay
viable
for
for
20
years,
and
some
of
these
just
stay
viable
for
for
long
beyond
that,
100
years.
In
some
instances,.
D
And
some
in
particular,
one
of
the
businesses
is
actually
interested
in
developing
a
mentorship
program
for
for
businesses
that
are
just
starting
out
or
are
in
their
baby
years.
You
know
compared
to
these
more
established
businesses
to
help
them.
You
know,
like
best
practices
and
just
someone
to
reach
out
to
that's,
been
around
and
has
navigated
being
in
Evanston
for
a
while.
So.
B
D
B
Also
Carl,
you
did
touch
on
it,
but
I
think
it
is
important
that
a
lot
of
these
Legacy
businesses
are
in
many
are
in
historic
buildings.
Many
are
in
buildings
that
have
historic
significance
that
may
not
be
registered
as
landmarks,
but
the
Common
Thread
is
that
they
are
older,
smaller,
more
adaptable
retail
spaces
that
really
create
the
opportunity
for
these
businesses,
I
think
to
be
resilient
and
that's
something
that
it
really
takes
a
lower
rent
structure
and
a
willing
landlord
in
a
lot
of
instances
to
remain
part
of
this
community.
G
B
I
I,
don't
recall
the
conversation,
because
some
of
the
like
web
web
developer
language
that
was
being
used
by
the
consultant
was
way
over
my
head,
but
I
believe
that
it
will
be
accessed
through
a
very
common
like
accessible
on
the
city
web
page
and
the
URL
will
be
like
cityofrebinson.org
backsplash
back
slash.
You
know
Legacy
business
or
something,
but
that
the
website
itself
is
actually
housed
on
a
separate
server.
It's
not
part
of
the
this
so
that
it
will
take
you
to
a
separate
location
and.
G
D
D
Yes,
for
this
story,
so
I
think
in
included
in
the
packet
where
some
examples
like
on
a
tote
bag
or
on
a
blade,
sign
or
and
even
on
and
like
promotion,
just
the
like
the
shape
of
the
logo
could
be
like
highlighting
someone
or
something
a
product
that
they
sell.
So
you
know
like
a
venison's
donut
or
you
know,
menacing's
rug
or
whatever
you
know
just
yeah.
B
They
did
talk
about
a
lot
of
different
applications
and
mediums
so
medallions
or
plaques
window
stickers,
Flags,
blade
signs
and
a
lot
of
that
I
thought
initially.
That
there'd
be
some
kind
of
common
thread
on
what
these
businesses
would
want.
It
was
very
Divergent
they
wanted.
You
know
some
were
I,
don't
own
the
building,
so
I
don't
want
a
medallion
or
I.
Don't
want
like
a
blade
sign.
I
was
like
on
a
window
sticker
or
something
that
and
others
were
like
yeah
I
want
the
plaque.
G
B
My
understanding
is
that
the
businesses
will
say
how
they
want
this
to
be
applied.
So
what
medium
they
want,
and
my
understanding
was
that
there
was
funding
created
by
the
city
to
purchase
these
for
the
businesses
so
that
we
don't
actually
create
a
situation
like
we
do
with
the
landmark
plaques,
where
we
only
have.
We
have
about
850
landmarks
and
there's
probably
only
300
and
some
that
actually
have
the
plaque,
because
they're
required
to
purchase
them.
G
Just
one
thought
I
don't
know
if
Evans
and
does
this
but
on
like
I
know,
will
Matt
does,
but
on
the
lights
where
they
hang
like
right
now,
it's
pride
month,
so
there's
Pride
flags
on
the
lights
like
do
we
do
that
in
Evanston,
because
you
could
do
a
legacy
business
and
have
like
venison's
or
you
know,
different
ones
in
different
parts
to
kind
of
help,
advertise
yeah.
B
We
do
that
there
are
some
of
the
special
service
areas
that
have
something
similar
like
that,
and
there
are
locations
that
have
a
really
high
concentration
of
these
businesses,
like
the
west
side
of
Davis.
Street
has
many
Legacy.
B
H
I
have
just
a
curious
question:
what's
the
percentage
of
businesses
that
are
retail
versus
service
oriented,
do
we
know
that.
B
Of
the
pilot
candidates-
yes,
I,
don't
know
the
percentages.
What
I
can
say
is
that
there
is
a
very
conscious
effort
to
create
a
lot
of
diversity
in
what
those
businesses
those
pilot
candidates
were.
So
that's
everything
from
auto
repair
and
service
stations
to
Barbers
and
hairdressers
and
traditional
restaurants
and
Retail
hardware
stores.
So.
A
A
B
Yeah
I
have
quite
a
few
updates
that
hopefully
look
longer
on
paper
than
even
though
I
can
talk
a
lot,
as
everyone
knows,
the
the
one.
The
first
thing
that
I
really
want
to
start
with,
is
just
that
we
are
tackling
some
initiatives
through
the
diversity
committee
and
also
the
education
and
advocacy
subcommittees.
One
of
the
first
things
that
those
two
and
kind
of
combination-
there's
some
overlap,
was
to
look
at
active
recruitment
of
Commissioners
and
I.
B
It's
a
little
more
difficult,
so
we
did
come
up
with
this.
This
flyer,
those
two
committees,
especially
commissioner
Zim,
chair
driller
and
commissioner
Jacobs,
and
to
try
to
frame
this
in
a
very
inclusive
way
and
look
at
both
actively
recruiting
Commissioners,
but
also
acknowledging
that
we
might
want
to
attract
just
volunteers
that
could
help
with
some
of
these
initiatives,
who
don't
want
to
come
to
regularly
scheduled
meetings
or
sit
in
and
do
case
review.
B
They
might
have
a
very
specific
interest
and
need
that
they
can
fill
almost
the
commission
used
to
have
what
we
call
associate
members
that
that
kind
of
filled
that
void
for
a
long
time,
and
so
the
I
think
the.
What
we're
trying
to
do
now
is
distribute
this
to
a
very
wide
and
diverse
audience.
To
try
to
see
if
we
can
attract
some.
Some
new
members
I
will
say
that
the
the
mayor
did
recently
nominate
a
new
member.
B
The
nomination
hasn't
been
approved
by
city
council,
but
assuming
that
it
is,
we
should
have
a
new
member
as
early
as
the
the
next
meeting
in
July,
but
then
knowing
that
we
still
have
one
and
then
two
vacancies
that
would
be
created
after
the
September
meeting.
There's,
certainly
a
need
to
try
to
to
fill
some
of
some
of
those
seats.
A
I
I
wanted
to
say
a
couple
of
things
about
this.
One
is
that
this
we're
calling
it
a
flyer
but
I
mean
probably
won't
be
in
paper
form
it'll,
be
something
like
a
PDF
that
we
send
to
people
to
try
to
circulate
I
mean
maybe
it'll
be
in
paper
someplace,
but
it's
mainly
meant
to
be
posted
and
circulated
around.
So
my
hope
was
that
we
might
get
one
or
two
people
to
work
with
us
to
kind
of
brainstorm
where
it
should
be
sent.
A
We
already
have
a
list
that
I
was
working
on
earlier
today
between
Kade
and
Amanda
and
me,
but
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
think
outside
of
our
bubbles
and
expand
where
it
could
be
sent
the
other.
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
brainstorming
with
us,
that
would
be
great.
Are
you
she?
Okay?
We
have
a
volunteer.
Thank
you
very
much,
we'll
let
you
know
when
we're
when
we're
meeting
with
just
I
think
on
Thursday
and
then
I
thought.
A
If
it
was
okay
with
you,
all
that
I
would
send
you
each
an
email
that
then
you
could
with
this
attached
and
then
you
could
then
just
forward
that
email
to
people
that
you
think
might
be
interested
or
might
know
someone
who
would
be
interested
or
members
of
various
Community
groups
that
you
think
might
have
have.
Some
you
know
might
be
able
to
help
us
find
somebody.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
A
A
So
so
there's
is
there
supposed
to
be
another
variation
on
this,
which
is
shorter,
like
a
little
jpeg
or
something
or
should
we
just
have
this
as
a
JPEG?
Also,
that,
then,
can
just
be
uploaded
as
an
image
to
to
LinkedIn.
B
A
Simple
yeah
all
right,
so
if
you
wouldn't
mind
sending
that
to
me
and
then
I'll
so
then
I
will
attach
it
as
a
JPEG
and
as
a
PDF
to
this
little
I
mean
I'm.
This
is
going
to
be
a
short
two
sentence,
email
that
you
can
just
forward
on
okay,
and
then
you
all
can
download
that
and
post
it
and
do
what
you
and-
and
we
have
a
variety
of
ideas
of
where
we
want
to
send
it.
Not
just
put
it
on
Facebook,
but
anyway,
we'll
be
talking.
B
Wonderful,
this
probably
won't
take
long
because
I
don't
expect
any
answers
immediately,
but
general
just
kind
of
thoughts
about
we've
had
two
kind
of
presentations
now
at
the
beginning
of
of
meetings
that
I
think
were
pretty
successful
and
informative
and
it's
a
nice
form
of
kind
of
advocacy.
A
Did
try
to
get
one
person
to
come
to
this
meeting
since
we
knew
it
was.
There
were
only
two
cases,
but
she
was
not
available,
so
she's
hopefully
going
to
come
to
another
meeting
at
some
point
soon.
Would
this
fall
under
the
education
and
advocacy
subcommittee?
Do
you
guys
think
or
would
we
just
yeah
yeah
I
think
it.
B
K
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
the
I
think
the
presentations
offer
a
nice
overlap
between
both
information
for
us
and
the
public
and
in
terms
of
kind
of
promoting
the
the
plan.
You
know
because
I
think
people
you
know
we're
still
trying
to
get
over
the
people's
perception
that
when
they
think
of
the
preservation,
commission,
they're
thinking
of
the
lakefront
historic
district
and
you
know
or
the
historic
districts,
and
that's
it
and
all
the
stuff
that
we've
talked
about
in
this
plan.
A
Getting
this
information,
the
presentation
that
we
were
trying
to
get
for
this
meeting,
which
hopefully
will
happen
at
some
point
soon,
was
about
diversity,
Equity
inclusion
practices
and
historic
preservation,
just
so
that
you
guys
are
of
interest
but
yeah.
That's
the
idea
to
try
to
use
that
first
15
or
20
or
25
minutes
for
for
something
along
those
lines.
A
So
if
you
guys
have
any
ideas,
please
send
them
along
see
what
we
can
do,
so
that
was
oh
need
for
additional
subcommittee.
B
First,
you
know
first
portion,
so
the
only
other
items
and
there's
a
few
here
which
is
actually
exciting,
but
just
some
updates
on
on
The
Preserve,
2040
plan
and
kind
of
implementation
updates.
B
One
relates
to
previous
conversation
and
the
education
and
advocacy
subcommittee
as
we
were
given
the
green
light
by
the
city
for
a
quarterly
newsletter
preservation,
newsletter
and
I.
Think
it
would.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
some.
If
anyone
has
ideas
about
writing
content,
it's
we
were
told
to
keep
it
relatively
brief
and
then
and
more
visual
in
the
newsletter.
So
it'll
probably
be
five
sentences
and
a
visual
and
then
a
link
to
if
you
want
more
content
or
something
longer.
B
So
it's
not
that
big
of
a
lift
I
think
to
ask
for
Content,
especially
if
it's
just
on
quarterly.
We
did
come
up
with
or
brainstorm
some
kind
of
content
areas
myself
in
the
the
communications
team,
but
one
was
kind
of
a
partner,
Spotlight
and
upcoming
activities.
So
there
are
partner
organizations
like
shorefron
or
the
History
Center
Francis
Willard
house,
the
Mitchell
Museum
so
have
a
very
short
kind
of
blurb
of
all
what
they
do.
B
A
link
to
their
website
and
maybe
a
list
of
some
activities
they
have
coming
up
and
do
that
quarterly,
a
resource
Spotlight
or
something
like
did.
You
know
it
and
give
a
brief
history
or
information
on
a
historic
resource
or
a
community
story.
I
think
media,
commissioner,
is
a
nice.
A
nice
thing
is
just
to
understand
who
sits
on
this
commission
and
what
their
background
is
and
their
interests.
A
A
So
we
may
just
have
a
quick,
maybe
I'll
just
write
a
quick
note
from
us
that
just
says
you
know,
welcome
to
the
quarterly
newsletter
or
something
and
and
distribute
it
to.
You
said
there
were
2
800
people
on
the
list
to
the
2800
people
that
have
already
indicated
that
they're
interested
in
preservation
commission
stuff
just
to
get
it
going.
But
then
you
know
if
we
say
we
have
a
quarterly
newsletter.
A
There
needs
to
be
another
one,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone
was
okay
with
with
Distributing
the
the
flyer
in
that
way.
So
if
it
goes
out
in
July
it
would
or
late
June
okay.
So
if
it
then
when's
the
next
quarter,
somebody
help
me
with
that
towards
the
end
of
the
evening.
It
would
be
September
September's
the
end
of
the
quarter
yeah.
A
So
we
would,
we
would
need
to
populate
the
the
the
next
quarterly
newsletter
with
actual
something
more
than
just
here's.
Your
newsletter.
A
G
G
Is
are
you
seeing
two
members,
two
Commissioners
or
they're
also?
Are
there
other
like
I,
know,
I,
think
Mary.
B
B
A
So
that
it
doesn't
fall
entirely
on
Kate
or
Kate
and
me
so
if
there's
anyone
else
that
wants
to
join
John
and
me
on
that
committee
that
would
subcommittee
that
would
be
great
to
help
kind
of
populate
the
newsletter
and
Mary
and-
and
you
know
the
education
and
advocacy
subcommittee
can
do
other
things.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
the
newsletter
if
you're
not
interested.
B
Yeah
I
think
that
I
think
that's
great
I
mean
for
many
many
many
years.
That
was
really
the
primary
the
foundation
of
the
commission's
advocacy
and
Outreach,
and
it
just
kind
of
disappeared
for
a
long
time
and
I
think
it's
a
good
initiative
to
bring
back,
especially
because
I
think
we
have
more
to
say
now
to
your
point
and
more
to
be
involved
with
that
people
should
should
know
and
be
aware
of
I.
A
A
Yes,
well,
you
know
if
we
have,
for
instance,
if
we
have
someone
speaking,
we
can
have
a
little
blurb
about
that.
You
know
just
to
kind
of
bring
people
key
people
in
the
loop,
but
just
to
try
to
have
it
not
fall
all
on
Kate.
G
B
I
do
have
like
really
brief
Harley
clerk
updates,
but
yeah
everybody
did
sign
it.
It
was
delivered
to
the
mayor
members
of
the
city
council.
The
really
quick
synopsis
update
for
that
is
that
I
I
appeared
before
the
city
council
I
don't
know.
Maybe
that
was
a
few
weeks
ago,
maybe
a
month
ago
it
seems
like
forever.
B
B
Its
intention
is
to
gain
increased
interest
in
really
what
possibilities
exist,
so
you're
removing
as
many
barriers
as
possible
to
understand
what
opportunities
there
are,
and
then
you
use
that
information
to
create
a
more
viable
RFP,
which
is
part
of
the
competitive
bidding
process
where
the
the
rfei
is
not.
But
they
agree
to
that.
I
think
the
vote
was
five
to
three
when
they
took
a
vote.
B
I
think
there's
some
genuine
interest
on
the
city
council
to
be
expeditious
in
in
finding
a
viable
solution
for
the
property
that
that
preserves
it
and
retains
it.
I
also
think
there
is
a
good
amount
of
interest
in
the
community
and
development
Community
as
well,
and
that
kind
of
leads
me
to
the
second
I
think
implementation
update
from
the
plan
and
these
things
are
very
related.
B
But
we
have
developed
an
Adaptive
use
code,
an
amendment
to
the
code
which
got
a
unanimous
recommendation
from
the
language
commission,
so
that'll
move
forward
to
the
city
council,
the
things
that
are
really
critical
about
the
Adaptive
use
code
and
the
language
is
that
it
allows
any
proposed
use.
So
long
as
you
can
demonstrate
that
that
use
is,
is
the
principal
means
of
retaining
a
significant
structure
in
the
instance
of
like
the
Harley
Clark,
that
property
is
zoned
open
space
with
the
extremely
limited
use
potential
there's.
B
A
lot
of
this
is
a
national
problem,
but
a
lot
of
very
architecturally,
significant
churches
that
are
his
own
single
family
that
have
very
difficult
time,
adapting
those
properties
to
a
viable
use
because
of
those
restrictions.
The
other
very
positive
things
in
that
code
are
eliminating
parking
requirements
through
this
process
and
also
eliminating
maximum
density
requirements
to
allow
multi-family
in
what
were
previously
buildings
of
assembly.
So
really
the
only
thing
that
we
didn't
address
that's
kind
of
best
practice.
B
That's
a
much
harder
thing
is
addressing
the
fire
code,
which
is
which
is
one
that
limits
a
lot
of
adaptive
use
as
you
change
the
use
you
have
to
meet
current
fire
codes,
and
you
know
sprinkler.
An
old
building
is
not
an
easy
or
inexpensive
task,
but
I
think
it's
a
very
significant
update.
This
is
something
that
almost
every
preservation
plan
has
in
it
to
try
to
do,
and
the
fact
that
we
were
able
to
to
kind
of
implement
that
in
the
first
year
of
this
plan's
existence
is,
is
a
big
thing.
D
Thinking
of
potential
speakers,
I
was
recently
at
a
traditional
buildings
conference
and
there
was
a
very
great
presentation
from
the
guy
in
the
planning
department
from
the
city
of
Aurora,
who
talked
about
creative
use
of
fire
code
in
historic
buildings
and
reusing
and
so
ways
of
interpreting
the
code.
That
would
that
would
allow
for
more
creative
uses.
That
so
just
sure.