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A
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
Tuesday
May
14
2019
meeting
of
the
Evanston
Preservation
Commission,
we
have
a
quorum
of
seven
commissioners
if
I
can
count
correctly
the
first
of
all.
If
anyone
would
like
to
speak,
please
sign
in
there's.
A
sign-up
sheet
is
on
the
lectern
right
now.
If
you
could
sign
in
now,
then
we
wouldn't
have
to
delay
when
it's
your
turn
to
speak.
Will
there's
been
an
agenda?
That's
been
posted
online
and
will
follow
the
order
of
the
agenda.
A
B
B
Briefly,
just
to
go
over
the
the
two
issues.
The
first
is,
the
part
of
the
proposal
is
the
use
of
a
synthetic
cedar,
roofing
material
rather
than
the
current
actual
cedar
and
the
reasons
for
it
and
the
second
proposal,
part
of
the
proposal
is
to
increase
the
the
spacing
on
the
between
the
courses
on
the
eaves
on
the
roof.
B
Let
me
just
say
the
reasons
for
the
switch
to
the
synthetic
cedar.
Material
is
because
the
current
cedar
roofing
has
deteriorated
prematurely
because
of
a
number
of
factors,
only
some
of
which
can
be
effectively
addressed,
and
this
is
a
rather
expensive
process,
and
the
goal
here
is
to
use
the
synthetic
material
to
reproduce
the
current
roof
as
reproduces
a
the
roof
that
looks
as
close
as
possible
to
current
one.
B
B
B
This
picture
here
shows
the
goes
the
wave
pattern,
but
in
particular
it
shows
the
differences
on
the
eaves.
The
the
stacked
eaves
are
the
current
configuration
which
both
contractors
are
working
with
recommend
against
because
they
deteriorate,
because
the
small
pieces
of
wood
water
gets
in
what-have-you.
B
B
There's
a
couple
pictures
of
the
sea
deterioration
on
the
right.
It's
not
clear
to
me
whether
some
of
these
are
caused
by
just
your
chair,
ation
or
the
squirrels.
They
seem
to
like
the
roof,
but
these
are
just
examples
of
the
the
deterioration
on
the
eaves
in
particular
this
next
set
of
pictures.
Those
who
are
here
last
time
recall
this
is
a
similar,
though
not
identical,
roof
done
in
the
synthetic
cedar
materials.
B
So
you
see
the
wave
patterns
and
what
have
you
now?
The
eaves
aren't
quite
as
pronounced
the
praticed,
quite
as
curved
as
they
are
on
on
my
house,
but
you
see
this
is
basically
what
the
new
product
would
look
like
and
I,
like
believe
me,
I
think
it's
hard
to
tell
the
difference
between
the
is
the
synthetic
and
and
the
actual
cedar.
B
A
B
This
is
the
beginning
of
the
property
Eve,
unfortunately,
and
I
frankly,
I'm
part
to
blame.
We
we
did
the
set
up
on
a
section
of
the
roof
that
was
right
next
to
a
right,
easy
to
access
to
a
flat
roof,
and
once
we
had
it
in,
we
realized
that
what
you
couldn't
do
is
you
couldn't
look
at
it
from
above.
B
Excuse
me
from
below
so
the
as
you'll
see
the
way
the
the
eave
is
set
up
is
the
spacing
is
start
small
and
it
gets
bigger
as
you
come
around
the
curve,
so
it
gets
bigger
as
you
go
up,
you'll
see
some
of
that.
You
can
see
it
here,
but
you
can't
really
see
it
from
from
below.
But
let
me
go
to
the
next
slide.
Reading
is
more
helpful.
B
B
It's
a
lighter
color
only
because
that's
their
darkest
color
gray
I
would
have
to
do
and
will
into
a
special
order
to
make
it
black
like
look
the
current
will,
but
they
they
just
don't
they
don't
make
it.
So
here
was
what
they
did.
Was
they
chopped
down
a
piece
put
in
the
lighter
colored
synthetic
cedar
and
you
can
see
how
it
works
or
how
it
looks.
It
has
a
step
back
and
you
can
see
a
little
better.
The
the
eaves.
This
last
course
is
the
largest
one.
B
B
One
of
the
questions
was:
what's
the,
what
would
be
the
warranty
or
warranties
that
would
be
offered
if
it
was
replaced
with
a
cedar
roof,
and
the
short
answer
is
that
what
I
found
out
was
that
the
cedar
shingles
are
normally
warranted
for
thirty
years.
But
if
you
stain
them,
there's
no
warranty,
and
so
the
this
is
obviously
the
sort
of
to
match.
B
B
The
one
of
the
other
questions
I
was
asked
was
whether
we
have
any
examples
of
other
preservation.
Commission
type
organizations
approving
the
synthetic
roofing
material
and
the
short
answer
is
I
checked
with
both
contractors,
and
they
just
don't
have
access
to
that
type
of
information.
What
they
did
say
is
they're
not
aware
of
anybody
rejecting
it,
but
they
don't.
You
know
they
don't
have
any
more
access
than
anybody
else.
Does.
B
B
One
of
the
point
just
a
clarification:
the
on
the
Eve's,
the
courses
there's
a
basically
two
options.
Well,
those
three
options
you
know
with
the
the
first
than
the
one
that's
readily
rejected
is:
is
the
current
one,
with
the
stack
thieves
because
of
the
deterioration
they
both
contractors
recommend
against
that,
and
they
don't
want
to
do
it
with
the
synthetic
materials
they've,
never
done
it
that
way
before
and
I've
taught
them
I,
don't
particularly
want
to
be
the
guinea
pig.
The
other
options
are
on
the
on
the
role
thieves.
As
its
called.
A
E
And
I
say:
okay,
so
I,
just
I
I
did
want
everyone
to
hear
this.
I
did
pull
the
the
landmark
designation
from
the
city
of
Evanston.
This
is
a
landmark
building
and
it
does
say
that
the
prominent
features
of
this
house
built
in
1925
are
the
thatched
wavy
roof,
which
is
wood
shingles
and
that
it
is
the
criteria
for
which
it
became
a
landmark
was
that
it
was
exhibited.
An
unusual,
distinctive
or
eccentric
design
or
construction
technique,
which
contributes
to
the
architectural
interest
of
its
environs
as
an
accident
or
counterpoint.
E
E
Basically,
I
think
five,
the
distinctive
stylistic
features
materials
finishes:
examples
of
skilled
craftsmanship
or
examples
of
distinctive
construction,
construction
techniques
that
characterize
a
property
structure.
Sider
objects
shall
be
treated
with
sensitivity
and
I
would
I
would
just
say
that
I
just
don't
think
that
replacing
this
roof
with
the
synthetic
material
meets
that
standard
or
standard
six.
The
deterred
architectural
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replace
wherever
possible
and
I
have
gone
by
the
house
to
wonderful
house.
E
B
B
G
G
And
day
with
the
the
rolled
edge,
I
mean
I,
think
I
agree
with
Julie.
That
kind
of
stacked
appearance
at
the
eve
is
very
critical.
Did
they
think
it's
at
all?
Is
this
kind
of
as
close
as
they
can
make
it
work
with
the
synthetic
or
did
they
think
they
could
crowd
them
even
closer
together
and
get
closer
to
the
original
detail
of
that
stacked
appearance?
Well,.
B
This
is
this:
is
the
the
role
leave
with
eight
courses?
Okay,
they're
also
offering
to
do
it
in
15
courses?
Okay,
which
would
be
you
know,
roughly
double
double
that
they
haven't.
Even
given
me
a
bid
for
the
for
the
stack
eaves,
because
they've
never
done
that
and
in
terms
of
the
cedar
they're
not
recommending
it
because
of
the
the
lack
of
durability
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
so
I
mean
I
can
ask
them
to
do
the
to
give
me
an
estimate
for
the
stack
thieves.
B
B
The
the
cedar,
if
you
go
to
sixteen
courses,
it's
an
extra
$78,000
or
15
okay,
if
you
go
to
the
stack,
can
we
sum
that
much
more,
you
know
in
a
perfect
world,
you
would
do
it
identically,
but
the
costs
you
know
and
that's
that's,
that's
just
the
additional
cost.
That's
not
the
I
think
I
shared
with
his
commission
the
last
time
with
the
with
the
basic
cost
for
the
roof
repair
was
you
know,
and
in
a
perfect
world
the
the
cedar
wood
would
last
more
it's
supposed
to
unstained
it's
supposed
to
last
for
I.
B
B
A
A
E
Was
with
the
synthetic
material
when
then
there
when
there
was
more
layering
that
was
even
more
expensive
to
try
to
reproduce
the
wood,
so
my
I
have
a
suggestion.
I
I,
don't
know
in
terms
of
how
people
are
thinking
about
this,
but
it
seems
that
because
I
think
this
is
would
be
a
significant
alteration
and
if
there
is
a
mock-up,
that's
on
site
and
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
possible
or
if
you
know
that
you
would
actually
see
the
replacement
next
to
the
existing
and
I.
E
B
E
I
so
I
don't
know,
but
so
that's
one
thing
and
then
I
have
a
question
for
the
commissioners
so
for
the
for
a
replacement
of
a
wood
shingle
roof
because
of
the
problem
with
the
warranty
when
it
stains
which
I
didn't
even
when
I
went
by
it,
I
didn't
notice,
but
it
is
stained
black.
Is
that
what
you
see
it's
black
so
which
is
like
a
no
you?
Never
really
stained
shingle
roof.
E
I
Think
the
question
comes
down
to
whether
it's
the
color
or
whether
it's
the
material
and
that
we're
the
most
comfortable
with
because
obviously
the
color
can
be
a
match.
I'm
not
particularly
comfortable
with
the
material
I
wish.
I
had
a
sample
of
it
to
see.
But
you
know,
in
terms
of
you
know:
wood
cedar,
shake
and
well.
The
color
may
not
be
there.
Certainly,
the
textural
elements
and
of
the
appearance
are
going
to
match
so.
F
I'd
like
to
just
say
that
I
had
noted
at
the
last
discussion
in
March
that
I
didn't
feel
that
the
curved
eaves
design
met
the
standard
six
and
five,
which
I
know.
Commissioner
hacker
has
stated
tonight.
I
think
that
that
still
is
the
case.
I
think
the
15
courses
is
slightly
better
in
the
sense
that
it
looks
a
little
bit
more
like
a
replication
of
the
stacked
but
I.
Think
as
the
mock-up
stands
with
the
eight
courses.
I
do
not
think
that
that
accurately
represents
the
landmark
historic
look
of
the
roof.
A
F
F
A
A
B
B
E
A
A
B
B
E
I
have
a
question
so
when
I
looked
at
the
roof
it
seemed
like
there
was
a
lot
of
maintenance
issues.
There
was
moss
growing
on
the
roof,
which
implies
that
it's,
and
that
was
on
the
North's
desaad,
which
gets
probably
wet.
There
were
trees
that
were
blocking
sunlight
along
that
facade,
and
so
a
lot
of
this
roof
had
not
really
been
maintained
and
there
were
areas
that
had
been
replaced.
E
So
I
think
it's
a
little
difficult
to
to
sort
of
understand
the
problem
because
it
seems
like
it
has
been
a
long
time
problem
that,
where
the
roof
really
hasn't
been
properly
maintained,
just
little
spot
you've
replaced
areas,
but
not
who
knows
what
the
underlayment
for
the
roof
looks
like.
So
it's
hard
to
say
that
all
of
this
just
happened
obviously
didn't
happen
overnight.
E
It's
you
know
when
Moss
starts
growing,
you
know
it's,
it's
just
wet
and
it
wasn't
at
the
eave.
So
I
just
would
like
to
say
to
everyone.
You
know
it's,
it's
not!
It's
probably
not
a
sudden
problem
where
this
roof,
so
I,
it
seems
like
the
roof,
has
to
probably
be
replaced
because
there's
it's
probably
really
wet
month
and
that
on
just
the
eaves.
But
you
can
see
the
moss
growing
on
the
north
side.
So
if
you
take
that
into
account
in
terms
of
what
may
have
to
be
done
so.
B
Suggested
I
think
I
gave
provided
this
timeline
before
we
purchased
it
in
1997
in
1996,
because
we
live
nearby.
They
did
extensive
amount
of
a
sense
of
amount
of
work
on
the
roof.
They
either
extensive
repairs.
A
total
replacement
I
have
looked
unsuccessfully,
to
try
and
find
information
and
records
about
that,
but
since
we
purchased
it
in
1997,
I've
spent
over
well
over
a
hundred
and
one
thousand
dollars.
So
I
spent
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
repairs.
A
B
A
We'll
arrange
it
with
probably
Carlos
or
Scott
I'll
arrange
it,
so
we
cannot
just
jump
over
but
yeah
and
we
appreciate
the
cost
issues
and
but
we
just
I,
think
after
weigh
it
carefully.
It
is
a
I
mean
it's
an
especially
beautiful
house
with
an
incredibly
distinctive
roof
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
making
the
wrong
decision,
even
though
that
makes
two
of
us
right.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
B
G
A
A
A
A
Okay,
the
we're
gonna
do
the
new
business
in
order,
but
I
know.
A
lot
of
people
have
indicated
that
they're
here
to
speak
about
the
LAT
I.
Guess
it's
the
last
item
of
new
business,
2390
or
inton,
the
the
project
will
will
go
for
in
its
order
from
a
preservation
perspective,
just
I
think
so.
People
aren't
disappointed,
though
this
commission
is
not
given
any
we're.
Not
a
commission
that
has
any
kind
of
general
approval
prior
over
whether
this
project
gets
built
or
not
under
the
ordinance
are
were
restricted
to
reviewing.
A
Thank
you,
sir
preservation
issues
only
and
only
reviewing
those
in
accordance
with
the
preservation
code.
The
preservation
code
is
not
really,
it
doesn't
expressly
cover
trees.
There
is
a
separate
tree
ordinance
that
the
the
city
will
be
examining,
and
you
know
certainly
and
I
think
the
subdivision
itself,
which
is
really
I,
guess
more
than
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
applicant,
has
provisions
about
trees
that
the
city
law
department
will
be
examining.
A
But
but
just
you
know
so
you
know,
and
we
get
to
the
meadow
so
you're
not
disappointed
I
mean
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
general
power
or
authority
to
approve
or
disapprove
this
project.
We're
allowed
only
to
review
compliance
with
the
preservation
ordinance
and
we
have
to
stick
to
the
ordinance
and
so
to
extent
there.
There
are
other
issues
that
the
city,
the
city,
can
consider
we,
you
know
we
have
a
limited
mission
and
limited
rights
and
we're
not
really
allowed
to
consider
those.
A
C
Mr.
chairman,
if
I
could
add
to
that
a
little
bit
so
city
does
recognize
that
the
great
value
of
trees
with
the
city
and
and
the
many
associated
benefits
with
trees,
including
air
quality,
stormwater
reduction
of
soil
erosion
as
a
noise
buffer,
the
habitat
for
wildlife,
shading,
windbreak
and
many
other
benefits.
But,
as
was
noted,
the
city
does
have
a
tree
preservation
ordinance
contained
within
title
7
of
the
city
code.
That's
a
seven.
Eight
eight
and
the
law
department
has
determined
that's
not
within
the
purview
of
the
Preservation
Commission.
C
Its
rules
are
entitled
to,
however,
that
the
Preservation
Commission
will
be
considering
a
referral
from
alderman
Fisk
to
look
at
creating
some
language
within
the
preservation
ordinance
to
recognize
heritage
trees,
so
that
referral
has
been
made
by
alderman
Fisk,
and
we
anticipate
that
that
will
be
on
the
next
Preservation
Commission
agenda
in
June.
So
thank
you,
chair
for
just
clarifying
this.
Just
so.
If
anyone
wants
clarification,
I
know,
there's
still
several
items
before
we
get
to
this.
Okay.
A
A
K
A
Again,
we
will
come
back
to
this
agenda
item
in
its
proper
order
and
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
people
to
discuss
the
preservation,
ordinance
and
I.
You
know
that
I'm
sure
there
will
be
discussion,
but
again
it
just
would
be
rude
to
the
people
who
are
in
front
of
you
to
make
them
wait
for
a
project,
that's
behind
them
in
the
queue
so,
okay,
yeah
I'm.
Sorry,
we
need
to
let's
stick
to
the
agenda
and
just
be
courteous
to
the
people
who
were
in
the
front
of
the
line
so
I'm.
Sorry,
hi.
L
My
project
today
is
it's
proposed.
Covered
porch,
allows
our
clients
to
safely
access
and
enjoy
the
existing
flat
roof
through
the
existing
historical
French
doors.
We
are
finishing
the
original
intention.
The
units
below
them
with
the
same
floor
plan
have
a
covered
porch.
We
are
proposing
to
use
similar
materials
and
proportions
to
accomplish
an
aesthetically
pleasing
addition.
L
L
So
I've
been
hired
by
my
clients
who
live
in
this
unit
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
a
covered
porch.
One
of
the
reasons
why
they
want
it
covered
is
obviously
our
railing
for
safety
and
then
the
covered
to
protect
from
weather
conditions
as
well
as
even
sun.
It's
you
know
high
up
about
approximately
30
feet
above
above
grade,
and
it
faces
the
west
winter,
our
weather,
that's
always
coming
through.
L
L
Obviously,
this
would
only
be
a
one-story
column.
Also,
this
flat
roof.
That's
existing.
We
would
be
matching
that
detail
on
this
flat
roof.
We
held
it
slightly
lower
than
the
existing
brick
structure.
To
emphasize
that
they
are
two
separate
entities
not
to
engage
in
too
much
if
you
look
at
the
previous
elevation,
so
this
is
existing
conditions
with
cut
through
the
existing
main
building,
and
so
we're
proposing
an
open-air
porch
very
similar
to
the
one
below
with
the
units
that
are
matching
this
third
story
covered.
L
Porch
also
has
the
engaged
columns
that
match
the
ones
below
I
continue
on.
This
is
a
rendering,
please
disregard
that
I
just
realized
this
glitch.
That
happened
in
the
rendering
that
should
not
be
there,
but
these
are
the
two
French
doors
that
would
go
out
to
the
balcony
very
similar
to
the
unit
below
this.
L
Perspective
kind
of
gives
you
that
you
know
realizing
the
difference
between
the
two
structures
from
the
masonry
in
the
open-air
wood,
all
wood
structure,
and
then
this
is
a
street
view
what
people
would
see
as
they
walked
by
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
proportions
of
this
building
to
its
adjacent
buildings.
Next,
to
it
certainly
don't
overwhelm
these
two
units-
and
this
is
existing
condition.
I
I
A
L
Really
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
I
noticed
immediately
when
I
started.
This
project
was
that
we
have
two
French
doors,
but
it
almost
looks
like
the
project
was
unfinished
because
there
is
no
railing
or
any
kind
of
protective
there.
They
would.
You
know
they
are
operable.
You
know.
Why
should?
Why?
Would
they
they
should
have
been?
You
know?
French
are
double-hung
windows
that
they
weren't
going
to
be
used
as
an
idea
for
access,
so
that
was
another.
This.
L
Flat,
you
can
go
out
there,
but
it's
clearly
scary
I
mean
I
had
a
hard
time,
even
dimensioning,
any
Halil,
nervous
yeah
and
it's
in
its
appropriate
height.
You
know
it's
not
an
awkward
step
down
or
anything,
it's
approximately
less
than
12
inches,
and
if
you
did
a
build
up
deck,
you
would
have
a
standard
step
down.
Okay,.
A
M
M
A
M
That,
yes
of
my
personal
preference
at
this
point
in
time
and
I'm
keeping
an
open
mind,
learning
more
about
the
process
and
how
things
work
listening
to
what
your
Commission
might
have
to
say.
But
at
this
point
in
time
my
personal
preference
would
be
to
restore
it.
As
originally
designed
allowing
the
owners
and
the
third
floor
to
access
the
porch
to
have
the
railing.
It
would
not
have
a
roof
on
it
and
I
do
have.
M
Also,
some
questions
about
structural
integrity.
Should
the
project
be
approved
and
later
be
constructed,
I
would
just
be
curious
to
understand.
You
know
how
much
weight
is
there,
and
would
it
compromise
the
integrity
of
the
existing
porch
to
put
additional
weight
on
top
of
it,
the
existing
porch?
On
the
first
floor,
the
columns
sit
on
limestone
foundations.
They
have
no
cracks
in
them
at
this
time,
I
don't
know
if
additional
weight
would
put
the
limestone
under
additional
stress
or
there
might
be
any
other
unintended
consequences
of
simply
putting
more
weight
on
top
of
the
structure.
E
So
I
just
wanted
I
do
think
it's
always
important
when
you
have
a
landmark
to
go
back
to
the
statement
of
significance
and
and
read
why
it's
significant,
and
so
when
you
make
an
alteration
to
that,
it's
a
big
deal,
especially
because
it's
a
front
facade
of
a
landmark
building.
So
that's
just
information
that
comes
before
us
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
those.
E
It
destroys
the
massing
of
the
whole
building,
because
now
you
don't
even
read
it
like
it's
an
entryway
porch,
but
it's
it's
another
large
mass
in
between
two
bays,
but
also
it
breaks
this
cornice
and
I'm
sure
that
that
intersection
is
we're
going
to
be
really
hard
to
figure
out
so
I,
so
I
always
I
do
think
it's
important
for
everyone
to
just
review
if
they
do
have
a
landmark
house
and
they're
coming
before.
Preservation
is
helpful
to
read
these.
They
are,
you
can
get
them
online
and
just
understand
what
is
significant
about
the
building.
G
Yeah
I
really
agree
with
Julie
I
think
it's
when
it
was
landmark.
They
were
very
clear
that
the
strong
horizontal
cornice
was
a
key
distinctive
feature
and
that's
really
obscured
by
this
porch
roof
that's
proposed
and
also
they
were
commenting
on
how
the
kind
of
smaller
massing
of
the
porch
gives
it
a
nice
kind
of
balance
and
proportion
to
the
original
design
and
that's
really
disrupted
by
this
proposal.
G
Certainly
it
was
intended
to
be
a
walkout
deck.
They
have
the
French
doors
and
they
had
the
railings
that
have
vanished
in
years
past.
So
I
think
there's
something
to
be
said
for
restoring
the
original
railings
and
having
it
be
an
open-air
porch
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
how
the
second
floor
or
the
third
floor
roof
and
columns
would
really
be
compatible
with
the
bit
design.
F
L
N
G
G
C
F
O
The
one
part
of
the
project
on
the
second
floor
is
to
change
out
an
existing
single
window.
That's
a
visibly
modeled
window
in
the
past.
It's
not
original
to
the
house.
It's
this
one
right
here!
It's
a
wood
double
hung
window
to
change
it
out
to
these
three
casement
windows
would
kiss,
but
windows
which
match
the
existing
windows
in
the
back
of
the
house
is
our
casement
windows
that
are
original
to
the
house.
G
O
E
I
I
just
like
to
say
something.
So
this
again
is
I'm
not
making
a
motion
I'm
just
saying
this
again,
we
just
have
all
these
limericks.
E
This
is
another
landmark
and
the
so
I
would
suggest
that
when
you
look
at
the
front
facade
that
the
three
windows
that
would
be
added,
there
is
all
there's
an
existing
window
and
it's
centered
on
this
little
balcony,
and
when
you
do
this,
this
other
patterning,
it
shifts
the
whole
thing
off
center,
which
is
I,
guess
curious
to
me,
and
then
does
you
see
that
and
then
the
other
thing
is
that
I
guess
that
it
seems
that
this
front
facade
that
this
entryway,
that
was,
that
a
enclosed
porch.
It.
O
E
A
E
Q
A
A
I
A
R
A
S
S
The
materials
match
the
existing
building,
so
there's
an
SS
vault,
a
shingle
roof
painted
cedar,
shake
siding
and
painted
wood
trim
and
painted
beadboard
soffits
that
currently
the
the
west
dormer
has
I.
Think
it's
a
piece
of
plywood.
That's
blocking
in
the
opening,
that's
not
occupied
by
a
wall
unit,
air
conditioner,
and
we
propose
removing
that
and
replacing
it
with
a
casement
window
and
a
storm
window
to
match
the
existing.
S
The
modifications
that
you
can
see
here
include
the
dormer,
the
windows
replacing
the
double
hung
window
and
the
master
bedroom
on
the
right,
with
very
narrow,
French
doors
out
to
a
small
balcony.
That's
three
feet:
deep
and
replacing
the
double
hung
window
in
the
dining
room
below
it,
with
with
patio
doors
and
deck
have
from
that.
S
The
photos
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
photos,
I
know,
fences
and
vegetation
aren't
supposed
to
be
considered
in
terms
of
visibility,
but
there
are
two
very
old
large
trees
which
you
can
see
if
I
can
figure
out
how
to
operate
the
pointer,
probably
not
going
to
happen
there
we
go.
So
this
is
the
North
elevation
in
the
front
and
there's
two
large
trees
right
here
so
from
directly
across
the
street
you,
you
could
see
the
dormer,
the
larger
dormer
that
accommodates
the
bedroom.
S
A
Okay,
alright
I'll
try
to
do
this
for
logically
this
time.
So
first
we'll
have
questions
for
the
applicant.
Then
we'll
ask
if
any
members
of
the
public
wish
to
speak
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
discussion
by
the
Commission.
So
first
are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
on
the
details
of
the
presentation.
A
T
Good
evening
my
name
is
Claire
Kelly
and
I
live
directly
across
the
street,
at
8:23
and
I'm
speaking
to
support
this
project.
I've
lived
on
this
block
for
over
50
years
in
three
different
houses
and
I've,
seen
some
and
I'm
a
very
I
feel
very
I'm,
very
supportive.
Our
historic
district
are
very
grateful
that
we
have
a
historic
district
and
I
can
say
well.
I've
been
over
the
plans
with
my
neighbors
and
the
one
dormer
on
the
side.
T
There
is
a
chimney
in
front
of
it
in
additions
that
so
it's
really
barely
visible
the
new
dormer
that
would
be
put
on
the
side.
So
I've
seen
you
know
additions
on
the
block
that
don't
exactly
melt
our
field
to
me,
like
they
mailed
that
well
with
historic
district,
but
this
particular
one
seems
this
work
seems
like
it
really
will
actually
enhance
the
house,
and
so
I
just
want
I
see
it
all
the
time
when
I
live
directly
across
the
street.
Thank
you
thank.
A
U
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
826
Colfax,
had
a
side
dormer
for
a
dormer
changing
of
their
rear
elevation,
but
it
were
Windell
to
French
door
with
the
balcony
and
constructing
a
deck
off
the
back
of
the
house,
removing
the
AC
from
the
west
dormer
window
and
a
new
wood
casement
window
match
in
the
adjacent
window
in
its
place.
These
are
applicable
standards
for
construction,
one
through
eight
10
through
13,
14
and
15.
That's.
A
U
A
R
My
name
is
Kirsten
Coleman,
my
husband,
Patrick,
Coleman
and
I
are
the
homeowners
of
twelve
seventeen
and
twelve
eleven
Ridge
Avenue.
We
currently
live
in
the
large
Myron
Hunt
home
on
the
twelve
seventeen
block.
It
is
on
a
120
by
160
lot
currently
and
our
plan
is
to
subdivide
the
salon
into
two
compliant
Lots
that
does
result
in
a
75
or
just
under
75
foot
frontage
for
the
1217
lot
and
then
a
45
foot
0.78
for
the
neighboring
lot
you
can
see.
R
Let
me
see
if
we
have
our
current
currently
where
the
lot
line
is
positioned.
It
does
cause
an
encroachment.
The
large
house
actually
extends
and
crosses
the
lot
line,
so
we
are
hoping
to
relocate
that
Lockland
lot
line
so
that
the
house
may
remain,
and
we
were
advised
when
submitting
this
application,
that
we
also
provide
documents
to
show
kind
of
our
future
plan
of
what
we
see
the
vision
of
these
two
lights
have
them
relating.
R
We
do
intend
for
this
home
to
be
my
family's
forever
home,
and
so
we
are
particularly
sensitive
to
what
is
going
to
be
built
next
door.
My
husband
is
a
developer
I'm,
a
designer
we
will
be
taking
on
this
project
ourselves
and
we
have
proved
kind
of
a
preliminary
plan
and
drawings
for
what
we
envision
and
basically
what
we
would
like
to
look
out
to
onto
from
our
home.
R
And
this
this
document
here
when
we
did
the
initial
zoning,
we
did
run
into
a
small
overage
in
the
hardscape
allowance,
so
making
this
small
revision
of
removing
the
walkway
but
said
back
in
compliance
or
was
a
letter
addressing
that
this
is
the
topographical
survey.
This
shows
kind
of
the
proportions
on
this
block
of
Ridge
Avenue.
You
can
see
that
the
proposed
home
does
fit
the
proportions
of
the
blocks.
The
lot
is
over
the
7200
square
foot
minimum
area
requirement.
R
We
do
also
intend
to
keep
the
circular
drive
in
place
and
are
hoping
that
our
neighbors,
our
future
neighbors
and
us
can
share
that.
It's
really
a
nice
thing
to
have
on
read
job
and
it
just
for
safety
and
entering
and
exiting
this
is
the
proposed
proposed
Lots
again
we
have
here.
These
are
the
properties
on
this
strip
average
Avenue,
and
then
here
we
have
the
preliminary
drawings
of
the
home.
We
intend
to
build
in
the
future,
should
this
subdivision
be
approved
and
the
building
permits
be
approved
further
down
the
road.
R
These
are
just
design
details
that
we
like
to
incorporate.
We
did
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
driving
around
the
neighborhood
and
we're
very
specific
about
the
look
we
are
going
for
for
this
home,
we're
looking
to
kind
of
keep
the
historic
feel
of
Ridge
Avenue
and
go
with
kind
of
a
French
cottage.
English
cottage
look
for
the
new
home,
and
this
was
just
a
these-
are
two
example
homes.
We
found
that
kind
of
supported
the
vision
for
the
project.
R
A
And
just
for
clarity
today,
where
you
know
you
know
put
for
everybody
on
the
Commission,
so
the
only
decision
we're
making
is
to
approve
the
result
division
not
to
approve
the
proposed
new
pauline.
The
submission
of
that
was
helpful
and
I
think
that's
to
meet
a
requirement
in
the
ordinance
that
you
disclose
any
proposed
structure
mmm-hmm
and
that
I
think
there's
a
there's,
an
existing
coach
house.
There.
A
C
A
A
A
A
I
would
just
I,
went
and
walked
by
the
up
and
down
the
blocks
and
there's
a
lot
of
variety
of
sizes
of
lots
and
I
mean
you
know.
Ideally,
you'd
have
a
few
more
feet
for
the
lot,
but
but
clearly
there
were
other
houses
even
on
the
same
block
that
probably
had
had
narrower
Lots
than
I.
Think
there
was
one
house
that
had
a
the
corner
that
a
narrower
lot
than
this,
and
it
didn't
really
seem
out
of
character
to
me.
A
R
So,
are
you
looking
at
a
current
image,
or
would
it
perhaps
be
a
slightly
older,
so
we
did
have
a
glorious,
elm
tree
that
just
spread
above
the
house.
You
know
you
couldn't
get
your
arms
around
it.
It
was
decent
diseased
and
the
branches
were
lowering
and
lowering
so
we
did
have
to
have
that
tree
removed.
R
Unfortunately,
I
also
included
in
the
plan
the
kind
of
rough
landscape
proposal
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
see
that
as
part
of
your
packet
and
Michelle,
it's
a
very
rough
drawing
part
of
me
done
by
myself,
but
we
do
really
want
to
keep
trees.
We
have
a
lot
of
landscaping
plans
and
what
is
currently
on
that
portion
of
the
lot
are
a
lot
of
scrub
oaks.
There
are
not
really
substantial
healthy
trees
on
that
portion
of
the
lot.
We
sadly
have
lost
a
lot
of
them.
R
J
A
N
N
N
Do
we
want
to
go
through
the
tree,
part
of
it
or
sir
okay?
So
we
were
asked
by
the
arborist
to
have
a
third
party
arborist
come
out
and
give
their
professional
recommendation.
This
was
what
the
they
found
investigating.
This
was
that
the
root
systems
on
both
those
trees
most
likely
extend
all
the
way
to
the
old
Kendall
College
Foundation,
which
is
really
on
the
other
side
of
the
the
site
right
before
or
let
me
go
back
here,.
N
N
It
cut
it
by
just
cutting
it
down
and
then
installing
protective
fencing
around
it,
proving
the
the
roots
along
the
one
tree
and
giving
it
something
called
canvas
net
growth
regulator
which
helps
the
strength
in
the
roots,
and
it
really
stops
it
from
building
up
and
strengthens
the
root
system
fertilizing
before
construction
after
construction
and
performing
a
systematic
soil
drench
to
protect
secondary
invaders
like
to
line
chestnut
border
and
then
obviously
pruning
the
the
dead
hazarded
streams
on
both
trees.
So
the
one
tree
closest
to
I,
guess,
they'd,
be
Wes
or
I'm.
A
I
mean
if
you're
done
with
the
presentation
I
you
are
done
with
the
presentation:
yeah
yeah,
okay,
sir
I'm,
so,
okay!
Well!
Well,
do
this
again
the
order
of
questions
from
the
Commission's
public
comment
and
then
discussion
by
that
Commission,
so
I
guess.
First,
do
we
have
questions
for
the
applicant
and
the
presentation.
E
J
H
A
N
So
you
know
what
we
were
able
to
do
is
actually
contract
out
with
a
one
of
the
largest
our
nurseries
out
there
they
only
specialized
in
dealing
with
big
trees.
They
were
able
to
find
for
us
three
three
oaks
that
were
between
seven
and
eight
inches,
really
as
big
as
you
can
get
and
they
transplant
these
and
they
plant
them
for
you,
and
they
also
warranty
them
for
a
year.
So
we
were
able
to
get
three
of
those,
and
then
we
also
talked
with
the
arborist
about
sprucing
up
the
community.
N
With
some
different
you
know,
species
he's
City
opted
for
a
variety
of
different
trees
that
he
gave
me
a
list
of
ones
that
he
recommended
so
we're
gonna
plant
more
than
125
percent,
more
than
the
caliper
of
the
trees
to
spruce
up
the
community
and
make
up
for
that
tree.
N
I
You
have
do
you
have
samples
of
those
materials
available.
The
reason
that
I'm
asking
is
this
is
in
a
very
important
corner
as
part
of
this
development
and
a
number
of
years
ago,
when
we
looked
at
the
corner
of
Lincoln
and
Sherman,
the
materials
were
obviously
an
issue,
because
that's
such
an
important
corner
and
from
my
perspective
I,
would
like
to
see
what
those
are
I
don't
know
if
other
commissioners
have
the
same
feeling,
but
just.
J
N
A
Other
questions
before
the
applicant
seated
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
now
we
we
will
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
speak
and
I.
Guess
it
asked
a
couple
things:
one
is
I,
don't
want
to
I
mean
for
some
of
these
presentations.
We
set
like
strict
2-minute
time
limits
and
hold
up
cards
and
I'd
rather
not
do
that,
but
I
would
ask
that
everyone
keep
their
talks
to
a
reasonable
length
and
if
you
know
basically
you're
with
somebody
you're
gonna
say
the
same
thing.
Perhaps
just
one
of
you
could
speak.
A
Secondly,
in
terms
of
the
good
question
that
was
asked
about
references
in
the
ordinance
and
whether
perhaps
there
was
some
arguments
based
on
the
ordinance
that
the
tree
should
be
taken
into
consideration,
certainly
anything
you
wish
to
say
about
compliance
or
non-compliance
with
the
language.
The
ordinance
is
welcome.
It's
obviously
not
crystal
clear.
We
appreciate
that
and
you
know
it
I
mean
we
do
ask
that
you
recognize
that
our
you
know
our
powers
and
authority
is
limited,
but
the
extent
you
wish
to
speak
to
what
how
the
ordinance
applies.
V
V
We
spent
three
years
writing
the
district
nomination
almost
gosh
20
years
ago
now
and
I'm
extremely
proud
of
the
effort.
You
may
know
that
there
are
over
a
thousand
structures
in
the
district.
Again
it
took
us
three
years
to
do
it.
It's
not
only
listed
in
the
National
Register,
but
part
of
the
district
is
a
local
Evanston,
historic
district
as
well.
V
D,
which
is
preserve
and
protect
the
critical
features
of
the
streetscape
associated
with
a
landmark
or
area
property
structure,
site
or
object
in
the
district
that
includes
the
trees.
So
when
you
approve
that
you
prove
the
standards
it
came
forward
to
the
council,
the
council
approved
it
as
well
based
on
the
standards.
As
you
know,
when
something
comes
to
council,
we
approve
it
based
on
the
same
standards
that
you
use
as
well
so
I'm
going
to
take
issue
with
whoever
gave
you
the
information
that
perhaps
trees
were
not
relevant
to
this
discussion.
V
They
are
entirely
relevant
to
this
discussion.
You
you
may
know.
Well,
maybe
some
of
you
don't
remember
or
maybe
haven't
had
the
experience
of
writing
a
landmark
nomination.
But
when
you
look
at
creating
a
historic
district,
the
the
streetscape,
the
critical
features,
the
landscaping
not
only
setbacks,
not
only
the
architecture
but
the
whole
feeling
and
character
of
the
district
are
taken
into
consideration.
We're
just
not
looking
at
building
stuck
on
the
land,
we're
looking
at
the
the
entire
character
of
the
historic
district.
V
So
it's
entirely
appropriate
that
the
standard
is
not
only
in
our
ordinance
but
that
you
followed
it
and
that
the
City
Council
relied
on
your
review
of
that
point.
It
approved
the
plan
of
subdivision
as
well.
The
other
question
that
I
have
and
we've
had
some
discussion
and
I
will
say
that
I'm
speaking
in
front
of
you
tonight,
because
you're
the
ultimate
authority
on
whether
or
not
this
property,
this
application
is
approved
or
not.
It
only
comes
to
counsel
on
appeal.
Should
you
deny
so
on
that
basis?
V
I've
decided
to
speak
to
you
about
this
tonight,
but
the
other.
The
other
part
of
this
is
the
question
about
how
you
define
landscape
masses.
I
mean
to
me
land,
a
landscape
mass
includes
a
tree,
I,
don't
know
what
else
you're
talking
about.
Maybe
mounds
of
flowers
are
a
bush,
but
it
obviously
includes
trees
as
well.
So
I'm
going
to
take
issue
with
whoever
gave
you
the.
V
The
position
that
trees
are
not
an
appropriate
item
for
you
to
be
looking
at
tonight
because
they
clearly
are-
and
you
clearly
made
this
decision
based
on
the
standards
when
you
approve
the
plan
of
subdivision
I,
know
most
of
you
probably
weren't
here
at
that
time.
So
you
can
maybe
pass
that
responsibility
off
to
somebody
else.
V
V
It's
it's
me
so
I
hope
you'll
do
the
right
thing
and
consider
consider
these
streets
there's
no
way
that
that
one
of
those
trees,
that's
at
the
group
of
two,
is
going
to
come
down
and
that
the
other
one
won't
be
affected.
So
you're
going
to
be
you're
going
to
be
basically
taking
out
two
of
the
four
oak
trees
that
are
there.
You
may
remember
that
we
stopped
the
we
stopped
the
alley
short
of
the
biggest
oak
tree,
and
now
we've
got
these
other
three
that
we
want
to
protect
as
well.
It's
extremely
important
site.
V
It's
an
extremely
important
corner.
You
see
the
lighthouse
from
this
corner
all
across
Long
field.
You
can
see
this
from
blocks
away
this.
This
corner
stands
out
and
it's
incredibly
important
to
the
historic
district.
So
please
please
take
some
time
to
think
about
that
yeah
I'm
here.
If
you
have
any
questions,
good
luck
and
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
appreciate.
It.
W
Some
dingy
suburb
in
the
western
suburbs
and
it's
not
Evanston
and
as
a
tree
keeper
I,
have
to
say
I'm,
appalled
that
there's
not
a
tree
ordinance
in
Evanston,
so
I
hope,
you'll
consider
those
two
trees,
because
I
agree
if
one
goes
down,
they'll
both
go
down
and
they're
very,
very
important.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
P
They
shaped
provided
shade
and
a
buffer
from
storms,
and
they
also
provided
gracious
natural
streetscape
that
helped
the
building,
which
was
larger
than
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
was
residential
and
it
was
the
only
large
building
on
the
our
side
of
the
street
and
it
the
the
large
trees
provided
a
natural
streetscape
that
blended
us
into
James
Park
across
the
street,
while
the
original
design
included.
Keeping
these
lovely
trees
when
the
general
contract
was
negotiated,
we
were
told
that
the
heavy
construction
equipment
would
have
to
go
over
the
trees
roots.
P
This
would
compress
the
soil
and
would
kill
the
trees
they
would
have
to
go
and
they
were
all
chopped
down.
Several
years
later,
when
I
took
open
lands
tree
keeper
training,
we
learned
that
indeed
trees
on
construction
sites,
whose
trunks
are
fenced
off
for
their
protection
during
construction,
often
appear
healthy.
When
the
project
is
complete.
P
Unfortunately,
they
often
fail
within
three
to
five
years
after
construction
due
to
damaged
root
or
root
damage
from
construction,
compression
lack
of
water
or
changes
in
the
hydro
system,
and
other
stresses
I
fear
that
these
majestic
baroque,
which
the
developer
claims
to
plan
to
save,
will
suffer
this
fate
as
well.
The
16
foot
radius
of
protection
fence
noted
on
your
packet
documents.
If
this
should
go
through,
wood
must
be
very
strictly
enforced
for
any
of
these
trees
to
survive
the
construction
process.
P
Evanston's
new
climate
action
and
resilience
plan
addresses
maintaining
native
species,
particularly
the
urban
tree
canopy
as
essential
for
our
community
wide
plan
for
resilience
to
global
climate
change.
The
Evanston
City
Council
has
committed
to
this
plan
and
to
integrate
it
into
all
levels
of
city
government.
I
assume
that
alderman
Fisk
proposal
to
adjust
or
amend
the
city
tree
ordinance
is
has
that
in
mind
and
two
hundred
or
two
hundred
and
thirty
year
old
trees
cannot
be
replaced.
P
Last
month,
when
mayor
Haggerty
planted
a
new
oak
at
Clarke
Street
Beach
and
issued
a
proclamation
on
the
preservation
of
natural
areas
in
the
city
of
Evanston,
birders
oftens,
the
document
seeing
migrating
birds
near
the
lake
one
day
and
few
the
next
and
then
the
next
day
there
seen
a
few
a
bit
further
inland
at
Perkins
woods,
Canal
Shores,
Orlando,
Arboretum
birds
can
spot
these
giant
trees
from
the
air.
The
origin
neighborhood
has,
since
before
Evanston
became
a
City,
been
a
key
link
in
the
Lake
Michigan
migratory
Flyway.
P
A
X
Hi
good
evening
committee,
I'm
Camille
black
Oates
I
live
at
806
Colfax
I'm,
a
neighbor
I'm
gonna
make
the
one
point
that
other
people
have
not
already
made.
I
read
the
landscape,
the
external
landscapers
report
pretty
carefully
and
Niels
Johnson
is
it
tree
and
he
made
the
point
that,
in
order
to
retain
the
health
of
the
other
trees,
they'd
have
to
retain
the
stump
of
the
tree.
They
tore
down
and
I
can't
imagine
that
anybody's
gonna
want
to
buy
a
house
with
a
stump
in
front
of
it
instead
of
a
nice
beautiful
tree.
X
Y
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michael
Wasilewski
I'm,
the
resident
at
2380,
oaring
Tain's,
so
I'm
the
next-door
neighbor
of
this
lot.
Also,
it
so
happens.
I'm
the
executive
director
for
the
Institute
of
sustainability
and
energy
at
Northwestern,
so
I
really
endorse
what
alderman
Fisk
just
finished,
telling
you,
because
I
deal
with
these
issues
day
in
and
day
out,
not
only
locally
but
on
a
global
scale,
so
that
when
we
think
about
these
trees,
it
is
absolutely
clear
that
the
two
trees
are
sufficiently
close
together
that
we're
going
to
lose
both
of
them
and
I.
Y
First
of
all,
if
you
look
at
the
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
character
of
Lincoln
and
that
area
around
oaring
ttan,
really
it
is
a
a
beautiful
area
that
really
is
a
showcase
for
Evanston
and
a
showcase
for
what
the
quality
of
life
and
the
quality
of
living
in
Evanston
has
come
to
mean
and
preserving
it
I
think
is,
is
important
not
only
for
our
generation
but
future
generations
as
well
on
a
more
practical
level.
Let
me
just
also
point
out
one
thing
that
hasn't
been
pointed
out
already.
Y
If
you
take
a
look,
for
instance,
that
all
the
houses
have
been
built
on
or
inton
so
far,
there
is.
There
is
a
uniform
setback,
I'm
concerned
about
the
setback
for
this
new
proposed
house
and
it's
a
substantial
massing
and
so
as
a
consequence
occupying
that
corner
in
a
way
that
is
perhaps
out
of
character
with
regard
to
not
only
the
houses
on
origin,
but
also
most
of
the
houses
on
Lincoln
as
well.
So
that
is
also
a
concern.
Thank
you
very
much.
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Allyson
Slone
I'm,
the
co-director
of
natural
habitat,
Evanston
and
I'm.
Also
a
certified
tree
keeper
and
I
lead
the
second
Sunday
tree
walks
around
Evanston
and
also
lead
tree
walks
for
elementary
school
groups,
and
so
one
thing
I
often
try
to
talk
to
kids.
About,
especially,
is
that
Illinois
was
originally.
Our
original
ecosystem
is
called
an
oak.
Z
Savanna
and
Oaks
are
the
backbone
of
that
ecosystem
and
compared
to
the
original
number
of
oak
trees
that
we
had
before
the
settlers
first
descended
here,
we're
down
to
17
percent
of
the
oak
ecosystem
that
we
originally
had,
and
this
is
so
alarming
that
the
the
Morton
Arboretum
and
the
Chicago
region
trees
initiative
has
launched
its
own
okie
ecosystem
recovery
plan
to
try
to
get
cities
and
private
homeowners
to
to
save
the
remaining
of
trees
that
still
exist.
So
these
are
remnant
Oaks
from
our
original
oak
ecosystem
here
in
Evanston.
This
is
a
special
thing.
Z
I
try
to
teach
the
kids
that
we
have
to
appreciate
the
Oaks
that
are
still
here
so
I
tried
to
look
up
some
statistics
about
the
one
tree.
That's
proposed
to
come
down.
If
it's
a
32
inch
diameter,
Burr
Oak,
the
national
tree
benefit
calculator,
says
that
it's
soaking
up
approximately
five
thousand
two
hundred
forty
eight
gallons
of
stormwater
runoff
every
year,
and
it's
absorbing
about
one
thousand.
Z
K
Good
evening,
I'm,
Barbara,
Jane's
and
I'm
going
to
get
to
the
ordinance
section,
2
8
9
be
on
landscape
masses,
so
I'm
Barbara,
Jaynes
I
live
at
802
Colfax,
which
is
diagonally
through
the
block
from
the
lot
that's
under
discussion,
I
was
a
member
of
Kendal
neighbors,
who
worked
for
three
years
to
facilitate
a
regional,
reasonable
development
on
the
Kendal
property.
I
have
looked
at
the
meeting
packet
and
the
preservation
ordinance
and
frankly
and
appalled
at
the
mass
of
the
house.
K
The
developer
wants
to
put
on
the
lot
and
particularly
the
impact
that
the
massiveness
of
the
proposed
house,
if
built
as
proposed,
will
have
on
the
century-old
oak
trees
on
the
lot
our
group
had
endeavored
to
have
all
the
oak
trees
protected
I,
don't
know
why
that
didn't
happen,
but
for
some
reason
it
didn't.
Having
looked
at
the
photographs
that
work
is
submitted
by
the
developer,
an
aerial
view
shows
the
block
with
the
houses.
K
Most
of
the
block
with
the
houses
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
of
that
block,
you
can
see
the
canopy
of
beautiful
trees.
Trees,
as
people
have
said,
are
the
lifeblood
producing
oxygen
and
the
developer
wants
to
take
down
through
two
of
these
historical
trees.
These
trees
go
back
to
before
Evanston
was
founded.
It
is
important
that
they
be
saved
the
developers
arborists,
okay
and
I-
won't
read
that.
K
K
K
D
I'll,
try
not
to
retread
the
same
ground
if
my
name
is
Ted
Sykes
and
I
appreciate
mr.
chairman,
that
you
think
you
might
not
have
the
jurisdiction
here.
I
can't
imagine
a
Preservation
Committee
that
wouldn't
have
jurisdiction
over
preserving
these.
As
and
I
appreciate
all
that
alderman
Fisk
said
as
well.
These
are
200
to
300
year
old
trees.
They
are
the
ambience
of
the
neighborhood,
replacing
them
with
seven
or
eight
inch.
Trees
is
not
going
to
spruce
up
the
neighborhood.
It's
going
to
kill
the
ambience
of
the
neighborhood
and
I'll
also
agree
with
with
Michael.
D
We
live
it.
My
wife,
Karen
and
I
live
at
714
ADA
who
lives
at
710.
Michael
lives
it
on
the
corner
of
Warrington.
What
struck
us
about
this
is
the
mass.
The
mass
is
just
way
out
of
proportion,
and
we
worried
too
about
the
setback,
but
one
thing
I
will
say
about
trees
and
I'm,
not
an
arborist
trees
fail
that
is,
they
die
when
they
lose
40%
of
their
root
mass.
There
is
no
way
you
can
cut.
One
of
these.
These
trees
have
been
there
for
200-300
years.
All
of
those
trees
roots
are
intertwined.
D
A
builder
will
tell
you:
you
should
never
build
the
foundation
closer
than
25
foot
to
a
tree,
ideally
more
than
50
feet
away,
and
you
can
get
away
with
it
with
a
coniferous
tree,
but
not
with
the
deciduous
tree,
where
the
roots
are
all
intertwined
and
runs
through
the
neighborhood.
So
we
are
strongly
opposed
to
that.
Thank
you.
AA
Would
you
Buchanan
at
7:23
Lincoln,
just
across
the
street,
from
the
lot
I'll,
be
really
brief.
I
moved
here
13
years
ago
and
reason
why
we
moved
to
Northeast
Evanson,
insist
again
that
the
trees
is
everybody's
status.
My
concern
is,
in
the
13
years,
I've
lived
there.
The
number
of
trees
that
we've
lost
through
storm
damage
disease
is
staggering.
I
mean
you
know.
The
canopy
is
a
lot
less.
It
was
13
years
ago,
which
is
a
real
shame.
I'm
just
saying
it'll
be
a
crying
shame
to
lose
one
more
to
mortuaries.
AA
If
we
can
stop
it,
I
mean
storms.
You
can't
help
disease.
You
can
try
to
stop
but
willingly
chopping
down
trees.
If
there's
gotta
be
a
better
way
and
I
would
love
to
see.
You
know
more
development
done
carefully.
It's
great
for
property,
values
and
I'm.
Happy
about
that,
but
there's
got
to
be
a
way
to
do
it
without
destroying
you
know
the
healthy
trees.
Thank
you.
A
G
Yeah
a
couple
comments
and
thinking
about
how
the
putting
aside
the
landscape
in
the
tree
issues
we're
just
looking
at
the
architecture
and
how
the
standards
relate
to
the
proposed
design.
There's
a
there's.
A
number
of
things
I
find
odd
about
the
design
as
proposed.
Certainly
it's
it's
being
proposed
to
maximize
the
bulk
and
the
volume
that
zoning
permits
on
this
lot.
So
it's
pushing
everything
right
up
to
the
to
the
limit
in
terms
of
volume
and
mass.
G
The
the
standards
that
relate
to
proportion
of
openings
proportion
of
windows,
ratio
of
window
area
to
wall
area
I
find
to
be
particularly
relevant.
I
think
the
the
street
facades
in
particular
have
kind
of
a
smorgasbord
of
a
million
different
window
sizes
and
types
and
proportions
and
the
the
effect
of
that
is
pretty
random.
It
seems
very
chopped
up
and
a
little
bit
of
everything.
G
The
the
other
thing
I
find
very
odd
about
the
design
is
the
treatment
of
the
front
entrance
on
or
inton
with
just
an
open
deck
and
no
no
covered
porch,
but
then
around
on
the
Lincoln
Street
side,
having
sort
of
a
what
almost
looks
like
the
porch
roof
that
should
have
been
on
the
Oregon
side
is
tacked
on
to
the
Lincoln
Street
side
over
some
other
windows.
I.
G
J
J
F
In
the
past,
when
we've
done
these
reviews
for
new
construction,
we've
had
one
work.
Excuse
me:
we've
got
a
lot
more
information
of
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
I.
Think
it's
really
difficult
to
see.
You
have
some
photos
of
the
Lincoln,
Street
and
and
I
went
by
the
area
so
that
you
can
get
a
sense
of
the
environment
with
your
own
eyes,
because
I
think
that's
obviously
very
important,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
see
more
context
of
what's
going
on
with
the
adjacent
homes.
We
can't
even
really
see.
F
What's
going
on
on
Lincoln,
you
can
kind
of
see
in
the
distance.
What's
going
on
on
Norrington
and
I
think
we
have.
We
really
need
that
information
to
find
out
how
the
standards
apply
with
the
Heights
and
the
proportions
and
the
rhythms
I
think
that
Ken
has
stated
some
of
the
key
items,
but
I
would
definitely
agree
with
you
done
it
Diane
that
I
think
the
materials
would
be
good
to
see
it's
a
little
striking
in
the
renderings
that
they,
it
seems
like
there.
F
There
may
be
an
incompatibility
with
the
materials,
but
I
don't
want
to
make
that
judgement
until
we
see
them,
and
we
have
a
little
bit
more
idea
on
the
context
of
the
neighborhood.
So
I
would
recommend
that
the
applicant
come
back
with
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
streetscape
for
Lincoln
and
orient
in'
and
give
us
some
more
documentation
of
what
we're
comparing
this
to
for
the
compatibility.
E
You
know,
I
am
going,
I
am
going
to
that
number
9
standard
which
is
faces
in
Lance's
and
landscape
masses,
and
so
it's
it's
hard
to
not
only
understand
the
nature
of
the
adjacent
homes
with
this
presentation,
but
the
nature
of
the
adjacent
landscape,
masses.
So
I
think.
All
of
that
is
it's
just
not
clear.
F
Well
and
since
julie
opened
it
up
to
the
other
part
of
this
conversation,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
something
that
I
found
to
be
unique
to
this
area.
Is
that
alderman
officio
and
mentioned
that
the
alley
had
stopped
short
to
preserve
the
oak
tree?
That's
right
there
on
lincoln,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that's
a
very
unique
aspect
to
this.
That
doesn't
often
often
happen.
It
shows
clear
decision
to
preserve
these
trees
in
pass
motions.
F
So
I
agree
with
you
Julie
that
there
is
a
question
of
the
standard
9
in
the
standard
12,
which
is
the
walls
of
continuity
and
the
the
original
qualities.
The
original
qualities
do
open
it
up
for
sight
or
object,
and
its
environment
should
be
preserved.
I
think
the
fact
that
this
neighborhood
has
already
made
very
significant
efforts
to
preserve
these
trees
with
past
development.
I
think
that
that
does
somehow
say
that
this
is
an
a
characteristic
of
this
specific
lot.
A
H
I,
remember
Jack,
talking
about
this
lot
so
much
when
we
were
proving
all
of
the
other
houses.
It's
a
significant,
it's
a
cornerstone,
so
I
mean
half.
You
know,
I
I,
just
wonder
why
the
arborist
didn't
say
how
old
the
trees
were.
I
think
that's
weird,
that
he
didn't
say
how
old
the
trees
were,
but
he
you
know
it's
just.
It
has
to
be
vetted
like
really
really
well,
because
it's
such
a
it's
such
an
important
corner.
A
G
Two
voids
I
think
that
corner
octagonal
piece
needs
further
study,
not
that
it's
impossible
to
have
kind
of
a
more
open
bay
at
a
corner
like
that
as
a
prominent
feature,
but
I
think
that's
needs
some
more
careful
consideration.
That
would
be
quite
an
expanse
of
glass
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
G
The
number
six
rhythm
of
entrance
of
porches
and
storefront
recesses
and
other
projections
I.
Think
as
a
is
a
key
one.
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
this
as
being
compatible
with
with
that
neighborhood
at
all.
In
that
standard
and
then
number
seven
relationship
of
materials
and
texture
I
think
it's
ting
Dan's
other
point,
though:
how
would
this
particular
brick
in
this
particular
cedar,
siding,
look
relative
to
the
to
the
environment
and
then,
finally,
with
the
landscaping
is
number
kind
of
numbers,
nine
and
ten
walls
of
continuity
and
scale.
G
Just
as
this
is
this
10
pounds
of
house
in
a
five-pound
bag
for
the
lot
and
the
the
important
historic
or
important,
mature
trees
that
are
on
the
lot,
is
there?
Is
this
really?
Is
it
really
appropriate
to
maximize
the
zoning
footprint
and
build
if
you're
allowed
to
I
was
looking
at
the
zoning
analysis
and
it
basically
they're
allowed
to
build
the
maximum?
Is.
G
A
A
C
Just
to
clarifying
that
third,
so
there
is
a
resolution
that
approved
the
the
subdivision
of
the
property
and,
as
part
of
that
resolution,
there's
a
true
preservation
plan.
It
had
three
different
denotations
for
trees
of
existing
trees
to
be
removed,
existing
trees
to
remain
and
existing
on-site
trees
to
remain
if
possible.
So
that
is
that
the
latter
distinction
is
the
one
that
characterizes
three
of
the
four
trees.
You
know
towards
the
northern
and
northeastern
portion
of
sight
and
the
151
inch
caliper
tree.
C
A
Mean
that
there
are
simply
questions
about
what
our
authority
is
that
are
perhaps
in
a
gray
area
the
I
mean
I
was
more
interested
in
developing
the
the
arborists
I
mean
the
arborist
seemed
to
say
that
what
I
think
everybody
says
is
they're,
certainly
a
risk
that
the
tree
closer
to
Lincoln
will
be
lost
and
I
mean
in
your
presentation.
You
were
speaking
as
if
it
would
be
preserved,
which
obviously
is
a
goal.
A
I
guess
I'd
be
I
mean
to
me
it's
a
realistic
goal
to
try
to
improve
the
protection
of
that
tree
and
do
everything
we
can
to
protect
that
tree.
I,
don't
know
I
mean
you
know,
listening
to
everybody
and
having
a
wife
who
was
a
tree
keeper
and
being
very
sympathetic,
I
mean
I
know
one
of
this.
The
speaker's
said
I
think
what's
what's
clearly
true.
Is
that
for
the
the
tree
that's
further
into
the
property
to
survive,
you
would
need
I
think
he
said
20
to
40
feet.
A
A
You
know,
10
12
feet
from
the
house,
I
mean
that
the
chances
that
I
mean
what
we
clearly
don't
have
the
authority
to
do
is
to
deprive
the
applicant
of
the
right
to
build
a
house
on
the
property
and
there's
you
know,
I
mean
the
one
tree
is
in
a
position
where
it's
just
I'm,
sorry
but
well.
It
will
give
you
another
chance
to
say
something.
What
I
mean
I
think
it's
something
that
if
people
want
to
look
at
in
favor
of
allowing
the
developer
to
further
develop.
A
The
steps
to
preserve
the
the
tree
that's
closer
to
the
street
and
then
giving
other
the
letters
that
came
in
asked
for
time
to
have
a
closer
look
taken
at
the
trees
and
see
what
can
be
done.
I
mean
I'd,
be
in
favor
of
deferring
what
could
seeing
what
could
be
done,
but
I
mean
the
you
know.
I
mean
we
can't
come
up
with
a
solution
which
is
the
developers
prohibited
from
building
a
house
on
the
property.
It's
been
approved.
It's
in
about
the
only
I
mean
again,
it
could
be
shrunk,
a
little.
A
G
I
mean
I
I
I
do
think
the
the
two
trees
in
the
middle
air
are
at
grave
risk,
no
matter
what
gets
built
here
so
I
think
that's
just
inevitable.
None
of
us
can
predict
what's
going
to
happen
during
construction
or
what
the
hell
the
trees
would
be
on
the
back
end,
I.
Guess
it's
just
a
matter
of.
What's
the
what's
the
solution,
architectural
II,
that's
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
that
at
least
maximizes
the
odds
that
the
trees
can
survive.
J
N
One
of
the
things
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
You
know
people
were
concerned
that
the
construction
would,
you
know,
kill
both
of
those
trees
that
53
inch
oak
at
the
end
of
alleys,
less
than
12
feet
from
the
other
house
that
we
built
and
obviously
it's
still
standing.
So
this
is,
you
know,
a
professional
arborists,
giving
his
professional
opinion
that
you
know
this
12-foot
16-foot
tree
protection
plan
will
preserve
that
tree.
N
A
Well,
I
mean
I,
guess
that
there
seems
to
be
a
consensus
to
the
Commission,
that
consideration
should
be
given
to
changes
to
the
house
itself
and
I.
Guess
one
question
for
you
is
whether
you
feel
you
have
enough
guidance
to
go
back
and
reconsider
those
issues
or
whether
you
have
questions
about
the
work.
You
would
need
to
do
to
come
back
that
you'd
like
to
ask
so
that
you
can
go
back
productively
and
try
to
address
issues
so.
E
E
Of
the
drawings
that
we
really
need
to
see
the
house
in
relation
to
the
houses
next
to
it,
that
photograph
it's
really
hard
to
see
it
and
it
appears
really
massive
I,
just
think
everything
should
also
be
undertaken.
You
know
if
you
can
minimize
that
mass
and
move
it
away,
at
least
from
the
one
there's
one
close
tree,
that's
probably
going
to
go,
but
I
mean
you
know
whatever
you
can
do
it's
just
it
is.
It
appears
massive
and
it's
very
hard
to
tell
from
the
way
it's
documented
for
us.
N
E
E
E
I
F
I
F
My
opinion
I
agree
with
Diana.
It's
just
a
matter
of
information.
It's
a
matter
of
how
you're
pulling
your
Heights
across
and
just
documenting
that
and
Carlos
I
think
can
provide
examples
of
other
applicants
that
have
shown
that
information
in
that
relationship
and
I
think
it
just
helps
us
ensure
that
these
standards
are
being
met.
So
I
would
assume
Carlos
can
give
them
a
little
bit
more
direction
as
well.
A
F
A
Okay
and
then
I
guess
you
know
I
think
about
Ken
and
Diane
expressed
that
least
concern
about
the
exterior
design
which
we
have
to
see
and
then
on
trees.
You
know,
to
the
extent
I
mean
it
did
seem
to
me
that
the
the
landscape,
active
section
was
pretty
much
saying
he
didn't
know
if
he
could
save
the
tree.
I
mean
I'm,
wondering
you
know
what
I
mean
I
I,
don't
recall
that
the
presentation
included
much
detail
about
what
they
would
do
to
preserve
the
tree.
Yes,.
A
C
So
there
is
a
tree
protection
ordinance
that
was
referenced
earlier.
That
requires
a
tree
protection
plan
for
the
construction
that
would
be
required
if
there's
tree
removal,
there's
calculations
for
replacement
of
the
caliper
of
these
125
percent
of
what
would
be
replaced.
So
those
are
already
ordinance
restrictions
that
beginner
can
outside
the
preservation.
Okay,.
A
So
will
at
least
try
to
get
more
complete
information
and
make
sure
that
we
know
where
we
are
and
what
decisions
the
city's
already
made
in
terms
of
public
wanting
to
have
input
with
respect
to
the
the
tree
plan
since
I
mean
even
if
they
came
back
here,
we
we're
not.
We
also
lack
kind
of
expertise
to
make
decisions
about,
for
example,
what
would
be
adequate
to
say
for
one
tree?
Is
there
anything
you
can
recommend?
C
G
You're
yeah
yeah
I
mean
maybe
maybe
the
solution
is
that
you
ask
Nels
Johnson
okay,
what's
what
is
the
appropriate
setback?
We
need
from
this,
at
least
from
the
northernmost
tree,
to
be
highly
confident
that
it
survives
the
construction
and
unit
and
let
that
define
the
setback
rather
than
just
okay.
We
have
four
per
zoning.
It's
a
17
foot
setback,
so
we're
gonna
build
right
up
to
the
17
foot
line.
G
J
A
Yeah
again,
I
think
we're
not
koala.
We
simply
aren't
qualified
to
deal
with
the
issues
and
we'll
try.
It
will
report
to
alderman
Fisk
on
you
know
probe
you
know,
but
what
steps
are
being
taken?
An
appropriate
person
at
the
city
to
discuss
the
issues
with
respect
to
the
tree,
I
mean
I,
guess
I
would
say
to
the
applicant
that
you
know.
N
It
takes
us
a
lot
of
resources
to
put
all
these
this
together,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
I
love
the
suggestions,
I'm
happy
to
come
back
with
all
those
changes,
but
if
it's
still
trying
to
save
both
these
trees,
I
think
we're
all
clear
in
the
city
of
our
evidence.
In
there
our
burst
is
clear
that
it's
impossible
to
save
both
those
trees.
N
A
V
And
I
understand
that
this
is
difficult
for
you,
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
not
you
don't
review
plants
of
subdivision
frequently,
although
you
did
one
tonight
certainly,
but
there
certainly
is
language
in
there.
That
indicates
that
you
should
be
thinking
about
the
trees
and
I
want
that
to
be
really
clarified.
As
you
know,
the
city
staff
is
having
their
discussion.
Thank
you
for
including
me
in
that
I
will
be
happy
to
participate
in
it.
V
But
clearly
this
is
this
is,
is
something
that
doesn't
come
across
your
desk
every
day
and
and
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
hear
to
hear
us
out
on
it.
I
have
been
involved
from
the
very
beginning
with
this,
and
I
will
say
that
it
was
the
city's
expectation
that
every
step
would
be
taken
to
preserve
the
trees
and
that's
reflected
in
the
documents
that
were
in
the
resolution
that
was
finally
approved.
Stuff
happens
sometimes
of
storms,
disease.
V
Things
like
that
happen,
but
it
didn't
anticipate
taking
something
down
in
order
to
build
as
big
a
house
as
possible.
So
I
again
appreciate
the
struggle.
I
be
happy
to
help
and
going
forward
with
this,
and
thank
you
for
including
me
and
listening
hearing,
and
my
understanding
is
that
this
is
former
chair
Williams
last
evening.
G
J
I
C
J
C
Just
do
it
just
a
brief
staff
report.
We
had
the
camp
training
on
April
26.
Thank
you
for
all
who
were
able
to
attend
I
think
we
had
nine
present
so
that
that
was
great
attendance
from
the
Commission
here
as
well
as
joined
by
some
of
our
colleagues
staff
and
commissions
around
the
area.
I
found
it
very
valuable,
but
if
you
have
any
other
feedback
about
the
training
that
would
be
great,
I
can
pass
it
along
to
camp
and
we
have
requested
the
powerpoints
from
that
that
they
noted
they
would
chair.
C
So
we'll
make
sure
we
request
those
again
preservation
design
awards
the
the
calls
out
for
nominations,
so
we're
still
seeking
nominations
on
those
don't
have
a
date
yet
for
when
the
award
ceremony
will
be
held,
but
certainly
after
that
the
Commission
date
ends
and
then
for
design
guidelines.
I
know,
Carlos
indicated
he'd
met
with
Commissioner
hacker,
and
it's
working
with
her
on
that
it'd
be
happy
to
facilitate
any
more
movement
on
that.
A
E
Here's
the
plan
Carlos
who's,
he's
at
his
son's
graduation,
but
he,
the
next
step,
was
because
just
we
did
this
two
years
ago,
so
the
next
step
was
that
he
was
going
and
he
we
talked
that
he
was
going
to
initially
put
something
together.
So
we
could
look
at
it,
and
so
it's
in
his
court,
so
I
would
appreciate
any
I
mean
just
any
help
to
move
it
along
because
it
would
be
great
to
have
it
up.
E
It's
really
confusing
if
you
try
to
get
information
online,
so
can
I
just
say
something
about
the
so
I
thought
the
workshop
was
really
great
and
I
still
want
to
bring
this
up
again,
which
I'm
just
a
broken
record
about
these
plans.
Cuz
like
I,
just
misread
its
building
and
I,
didn't
know
what
facade
was
facing
the
street
and
I'm
I.
E
C
A
E
A
A
A
R
E
Those
well
who
was
for
anyone
who
wasn't
there.
There
was
really
some
valuable
information
and
also
about
ethics
and
other
issues
that
come
up,
and
so
it
would
be
great
to
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
just
summarize
some
of
those
things
for
the
people
who
weren't
there,
maybe
for
next
I,
don't
know
I
can
mark.
Maybe
we
can
just
I
can
add
some
stuff
or
I
just
think
we
should
do
something
actually
cuz.
There
were
people
who
weren't
there
that
didn't
hear.
All
of
that.
Okay.