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A
A
The
procedure
we'll
follow
tonight
is
that
will
introduce
what
will
have
a
separate
hearing
of
each
item
of
business.
First,
the
applicant
will
present
their
petition.
Then
the
members
of
the
Commission
can
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
They
will
ask
the
applicant
to
sit
down
we'll
give
members
of
the
public
an
opportunity
to
speak,
and
then
we'll
have
discussion
and
a
vote
by
the
Commission.
A
So
if
you
intend
to
speak
tonight
and
haven't
signed
in
you're,
welcome
to
sign
it
now
or
else
when
you
come
up
to
speak
so
first
we'll
go
through
old
business.
That
was
continued
from
last
time.
The
first
item
of
old
business
was
2767
Euclid,
Park
Place.
Mr.
Ross
asked
that
it
yeah
the
hearing
be
continued
again
between
now
and
the
next
Commission
meeting.
He
will
prepare
a
mock-up,
and
hopefully,
as
many
of
us
as
possible,
can
go
over
to
see
the
mock-up
of
what
the
roof
would
look
like
based
on
his
proposal.
A
For
those
of
you
who
weren't
here
I
think
many
of
you
weren't
here
it
was
very
hard
to
tell
what
the
weather
the
roof
would
match
the
historic
roof
reasonably
well,
without
actually
having
the
benefit
of
seeing
a
mock-up
of
the
roof
in
person.
He
came
in
with
materials
and
some
pictures,
and
it
was
just
really
impossible
to
tell
so
that
I
would
urge
you
to
go
over
and
see
it.
I
mean
Carlos.
Won't.
A
B
Mr.
Ross
and
I
discussed
these
before
he
told
me
that
commissioners
can
go
at
any
given
time.
So
the
only
thing
we
did
need
to
just
call
him
to
let
him
know
when
they
would
like
to
attend
I'm
sorry
to
visit
the
site.
The
only
recommendation
is
that
no
more
than
two
commissioners
should
be
at
the
same
time
visiting
the
site,
no
more
than
two.
A
D
A
E
Evening,
commission
members,
my
name
is
Zhang
gaoli
I'm,
one
of
the
residents
at
sixteen
29-31
Hindman
I,
live
on
the
third
floor.
One
of
the
three
one
of
the
two
third
floor
units
can
inquire.
Does
everyone
have
a
copy
of
what
was
distributed
last
time,
a
picture
of
the
original
rendering
of
the
building
and
the
description
of
the
building?
We.
B
E
A
E
The
architect
could
not
be
with
us
today
and
my
neighbor,
the
Sean
Foster
and
Amy.
The
Mart
are
away
so
I
lived
in
the
building
for
just
short
of
20
years.
In
that
same
unit
and
for
the
entire
time
we
have
had
a
unfinished
third
floor
porch,
we
have
two
French
doors
that
lead
out
to
it.
There
is
no
railing.
The
only
change
that's
been
made
during
the
nearly
20
years.
I've
lived.
There
is
replacing
the
flashing
on
that
surface
so
that
it's
better
for
of
roofing
and
water
evacuation
purposes.
E
So
our
revised
proposal
Commission,
is
that
we're
proposing
in
open
balcony
with
balusters
to
match
the
existing
and
large
square
posts
that
are
lined
above
the
existing
two-story
columns.
The
proposal
now
would
provide
the
owners
with
as
safe
and
originally
intended
outdoor
space,
so
it
basically
be
a
railing
and
putting
down
flooring
for
that
third
floor.
Porch.
F
Hi
I,
would
you
know,
I
didn't
see
in
the
packet,
but
I
think
in
this
instance
and
I
I
would
like
to
see
a
section
through
the
existing
roof
structure
and
the
balcony.
Just
because
I
know
that
I'm
not
sure
if
more
structure
is
needed
for
the
floor
of
this
balcony
and
I
think
it
would
just
be
important
for
us
to
see
the
fact
that
you
know
we
want
a
that.
The
cornice
and
all
of
that
would
be.
E
The
post
and
rail
on
this
on
the
third
floor
would
match
the
original
intention.
In
the
newspaper
sketch
that
I
handed
out,
all
the
materials
will
match
the
existing
scale
and
the
proportions,
and
as
far
as
if
your
question
is
hacker
goes
to
how
much
space
there
is
from
when
you
open
the
French
doors
out
onto
the
the
current
you
know
surface
there
is
that
your
question
is
hacker.
F
It's
really
that
I
know
that
I'm
not
sure
that
the
structure
of
the
roof
is
adequate
to
hold
the
structure
of
this
new
balcony.
So
the
question
is:
is
there
modification
that
has
to
happen
to
the
existing
in
porch
roof
to
support
the
new
balcony?
And
if
that
is
the
case,
you
know
how
is
what
is
happening
because
something
has
to
happen
for
the
dub
Shore.
E
Tonight
so
I
asked
you
architect
myself
about
this.
If
it
was
questionable,
whether
even
with
a
roof
version
of
this,
whether
there
be
any
modification
to
the
surface
section
of
the
porch
the
the
floor,
the
third
floor
we're
the
third
floor.
It
begins,
but
my
understanding
is
that,
with
the
very
light
type
of
construction
that
we're
proposing
the
surface
as
it
exists,
right
now
is
even
sufficient.
He's
not
the
surface.
We've
won
ultimately,
but
it's
efficient
structurally
to
hold
the
flooring
and
a
railing.
C
E
C
A
A
C
C
E
C
I
C
F
You
know
can
I
make
a
recommendation,
because
I
think
we
could
go
on
about
this.
I
think
we
have
the
same
concerns
and
it
would
be
good
to
make
her
this
recommendation
to
maybe
take
a
vote
and
ask
that
that
a
section
is
drawn
for
final
approval
of
a
detail
through
the
porch
and
the
railing,
so
that
we
understand
that
structures
in
place
and
that
the
same
molding
is
capped.
Because
that's
what
we're
all
concerned
about
and
I
think
a
section
by
the
architect
would
just
answer
our
questions.
J
C
E
C
F
Section
is
yes,
so
section
includes.
Yes,
you
see
the
structure,
that's
holding
up
the
deck
plus
you
see
the
what
the
court,
the
cornice
and
you
see
the
railing
on
top.
So
basically
an
architect
would
draw
that
for
the
thing
to
get
built,
so
I
think
the
architect
would
know
what
that
is
it's.
So
it's
not
it's.
It's
it's
a
detail
drawing.
So
we
understand
exactly
what
we're
looking
at
it
would
be
produced
by
the
architect.
I
mean.
A
B
It
be
possible
just
well,
you
know,
I
will
be
able
to
talk
to
the
architect
and
also
in
layman
terms,
is
basically
the
profile,
the
profile
of
the
cornice
that
will
include
the
railing
on
top
and
how
is
attached
to
it,
so
that
we
know
that
it's
going
to
maintain
the
cornice
and
that
the
railing
will
be
secure.
I,
understand
and
also
you
have
the
floor,
so
the
flooring
will
be
part
of
that
section.
As
what.
E
Can
I
ask
the
Commission
members,
and
also
for
the
coordinator,
if,
if
the
architect
is
able
to
confirm
the
information
you're
looking
for
the
profile
of
the
of
the
section
is
structurally
satisfactory
to
the
Commission?
Is
the
overall
concept
of
putting
in
in
an
open
porch
with
the
railing,
that's
appropriate
in
style
and
of
the
period?
Is
that
something
that
we
can
make
progress
on
today
and
and
have
it
approved
pending
mr.
Ruiz's
conversation
and
conformation
with
the
architect
on
what
you
see?
That's
what.
A
E
B
H
A
E
A
B
B
D
1631
henman,
adding
a
third
story
open
covered
front
porch,
and
this
is
provided
that
there
is
a
detailed
drawing
the
profile
of
the
cornice
and
the
railing
on
the
top
and
he's
gonna
work
with
Carlos
to
see
that
through-
and
this
is
applicable
standards
for
construction.
One.
Two,
four,
eight
10
through
12,
14
and
15.
B
H
A
C
A
A
D
A
A
K
K
To
make
improvements
at
the
intersection
of
Greenwood
and
Ridge
Avenue,
these
improvements
would
be
related
to
the
west
side
of
the
intersection,
the
northwest
corner
and
the
southwest
corner
at
the
intersection.
Both
of
these
corners
have
stairs
both
on
two
Ridge
and
onto
Greenwood,
and
we
proposed
to
remove
those
stairs,
replace
them
with
appropriate
a.da
ramps.
We
would
then
match
the
sidewalks
back
into
the
existing
slopes
as
they
go
away
from
the
intersection
on
the
sidewalk
that
goes
along
side,
a
long,
green
wood
back
from
Ridge
on
the
north
side.
K
This
is
actually
a
fairly
complex
process
because
of
the
geography,
it's
basically
a
hill
and
we're
trying
to
match
into
it,
and
so,
in
that
case
the
sidewalk
would
have
to
be
replaced
approximately
90
feet
back
from
the
intersection.
We
would
be
lowering
the
Parkway
and
the
sidewalk
right
now.
The
hills
is
rather
steep
and
kinda
goes
like
this,
so
we
want
to
kind
of
cut
it
and
go
in
a
more
gradual
slope.
This
would
require
constructing,
in
all
cases,
both
a
long
Ridge
and
a
long
green
wood.
K
On
the
west
side,
we
would
be
constructing
retaining
walls
in
order
to
be
able
to
lower
the
sidewalks
and
put
in
the
ramps.
This
is
similar
to
a
situation
that
is
at
Bridge
and
Church
Street,
where
we
have
was
installed
quite
some
time
ago.
They
put
in
a
concrete
retaining
wall
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
private
properties.
K
In
our
case,
as
our
staff
looked
at
it
because
it
is
a
historic
district,
we
felt
it
was
more
appropriate
to
construct
a
matching
retaining
walls
to
what
the
retaining
wall
along
bridge
is,
so
they
would
be
constructed
of
the
same
Indiana
limestone
as
the
retaining
walls
along
Ridge.
In
the
one
case
on
again
along
the
north
side
of
Greenwood,
where
we're
lowering
the
parkway
for
such
an
extensive
distance,
it
does
impact
two
trees.
These
trees,
which
I
think
are
hybrid
elm
trees,
have
been
in
place
for
somewhere
between
eight
to
ten
years.
K
We
don't
know
the
exact
age
of
the
trees,
they've
they've
grown
and
they're
somewhat
mature
trees,
but
as
we
lower
the
Parkway,
would
they
they
would
not
survive
that
process.
The
city
would
then
replant
hybrid
elm
trees
and
approximately
the
same
locations.
You
can't
put
them
in
exactly
the
same
spot
when
you
put
them
next
to
the
spots
where
they're
currently
located.
K
B
K
What
we
would
propose
to
do
is
we
will
be
putting
in
ramps
in
this
area.
This
section
this
retaining
wall
would
be
removed.
This
whole
section
of
sidewalk
would
be
lowered.
You
would
have
these
ATA
ramps
and
then
a
gradually
sloped
sidewalk.
That
would
come
to
a
landing
right
at
the
cross.
This
is
called
the
Keystone.
The
Keystone
landing
would
be
quite
a
bit
lower
than
the
current
sidewalk,
and
so
we
would
be
then
moving
backwards
along
here.
K
Try
to
match
in
to
the
slope,
but
at
a
more
gradual
slope
than
would
be
if
we
just
went
straight
into
it
and
did
not
chase
the
sidewalk
back
about
90
feet,
so
we
would
be
replacing
the
sidewalk
go
back
about
here.
This
does
impact
this
tree.
There's
another
tree
or
like
here
I
think
that
gets
impacted.
A
So
in
terms
of
city
processes,
I
mean,
were
you
know,
our
empowerment
is
simply
to
advise
on
any
preservation
issues
and
I
noticed
generally,
the
comments
received
an
advance
from
the
public
dealt
with
none.
It
was
safety
issues
and
so
forth.
Is
there
I
mean
we're,
obviously
not
equipped
in
any
way
shape
or
form
to
to
even
advise
on
those?
Is
there
another
forum
for
citizens
to
present
concerns
about
safety
other
than
Preservation
Commission,
so
they
would
be
communicating
with
the
right
person
the.
K
So
I
I've
had
one
of
the
emails
was
sent
directly
to
me,
which
I
responded
to
today,
and
there
was
another
person
so
basically
to
cought
to
citizens.
Have
responded
to
us
are
based
on
the
noticing
for
this
meeting
that
live
in
the
immediate
area.
One
of
these
residents
primarily
expressed
support
for
the
ADEA
improvements
and
actually
requested.
As
you
look.
This
is
actually
a
pretty
steep
slope
from
the
sidewalk
down
to
the
street
and
it's
challenging
to
mow
it's
it's
difficult
to
navigate.
K
The
city
of
Evanston
has
made
a
pretty
substantial
effort
over
the
years
to
try
to
be
ABA
compliant
in
sidewalk
projects
and
as
we
go
through,
and
we
do
street
resurfacing,
as
we
generally
are
trying
to
bring
everything
up
to
the
ABA,
the
American,
with
Disability
Act,
compliance,
which
primarily
addresses
what's
happening
right
at
the
intersection
right
before
a
person
is
stepping
from
the
sidewalk
into
the
street.
Basically,
it's
the
portion,
that's
really
covered
by
a
DA.
K
We've
had
a
number
of
complaints
about
this
intersection.
The
mayor
had
an
age-friendly
or
has
an
age-friendly
task
force
that
has
gone
through
and
looked
at.
Mobility
concerns
all
over
the
city,
not
just
in
sidewalks,
but
in
a
variety
of
situations.
They've
raised
concerns
that
these
stairs
are
difficult
to
navigate
and
then
last
year
person
on
a
bicycle.
K
Actually
rode
off
did
not
realize
there
were
stairs
in
rode
off
the
sidewalk
off
the
stairs
into
Greenwood,
fortunately
was
substantially
ok,
but
given
all
of
these
things
that
have
been
going
on,
this
has
been
one
of
those
things.
That's
been
on
our
radar
for
a
while,
and
it's
just
getting
to
the
point
where
we're
having
enough
complaints
and
concerns.
We
also,
in
addition
to
wanting
to
comply
with
American
with
Disabilities
Act
I.
K
Think
the
city
of
Evanston
generally
is
trying
to
be
inclusive
and
make
the
city
access
in
a
pedestrian
way
for
people
of
all
mobility.
So
this
is
basically
risen
to
the
top
of
the
situation's
we
want
to
address
in
terms
of
a
da,
we
have
other
situations
around
town.
We
continue
to
try
to
tackle
those,
but
given
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
issues
at
this
one
place,
it's
become
more
of
a
concern.
If.
K
Contact
me
directly,
my
email
is
available
through
Carlos
or
Scott.
If
people
cannot
otherwise
find
it,
this
will
be
going
to
administrative
and
public
works.
It's
not
out
to
bid
yet
I'm,
not
quite
sure
which
meeting
that's
going
to,
but
it
will
be
going
to
a
PW
and
then
to
the
City
Council
for
approval,
probably
at
the
second
meeting
in
July.
So
there
will
be
other
opportunities
for
people
to
make
comments
if
they
wish,
but
I.
Certainly
I
would
I
would
be
happy
to
discuss
it
with
anybody
that
has
any
questions
or
concerns
any.
C
You
want
to
do
it
first
Lara.
My
only
concern
not
with
the
concept
is
according
to
these
drawings,
the
slope
of
the
new
sidewalks
are
all
one
in
12
and
you
can't
have
a
one
in
12
without
railings.
For
that
length
of
run,
it
has
to
be
a
1
in
20
according
to
88
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
did
this,
but
everything
that
I've
ever
done
is
an
ad
a
project.
C
Ask
who
did
it
and
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
it,
but
there's
something
all
wrong
with
how
this
has
been
designed?
Not
the
idea
of
what
you're
doing,
but
the
actual
execution-
and
my
other
question
ironically,
is
something
that
came
up
last
year
for
me,
which,
as
you
said,
hybrid
elms
I
ran
into
the
fact
that
the
forests
are
at
the
time,
I'm,
not
sure
it's
the
same
forest
or
anymore,
that
Evanston
was
no
longer
putting
in
the
hybrid
Elms
and
I.
C
K
The
current
forest
forest
sure
is
Paul,
D'agostino,
stone
and
I.
Did
he
actually
reviewed
this
project?
We
sought
his
input
on
the
tree
impacts
and
then,
if
we
needed
to
replace
the
trees,
what
that
would
be-
and
he
is
the
one
who
recommended
the
hybrid
Elms
so
I,
don't
know
what
I
can't
speak
to
what
conversation
you've
had
previously
was.
K
Not
doubting
you
in
any
way,
I
could
just
tell
you
that
I
was
told,
put
in
hybrid,
Elms
and
I
said:
okay,
that's
important!
So
we
defer
to
forestry
on
those
decisions
in
terms
of
the
ATA.
We've
had
some
extensive
conversations
about
ABA
and
how
it
applies,
and
the
ad
a
truly
governs
this
section
right
here.
That
is
completely
clear
and
the
guidance
of
the
ATA
is
very
very
easy
to
understand,
but
as
you
work
on
public
sidewalks,
not
sidewalks
necessarily
associated
with
the
building,
but
just
in
the
public
way.
K
C
K
D
K
Think
triple
check
everything
before
we
construct
it.
We
did
do
quite
a
bit
of
research
on
this
because
you
know
Evanston
is
relatively
flat,
and
my
question
back
to
people
was
how
how
does
San
Francisco
deal
with
a
DA,
for
instance,
if
we
want
to
go
to
the
extreme
and
as
I
discussed
it
with
people
and
they
reached
out
to
various
regulatory
agencies
that,
in
experts
the
the
consensus
was
to
match
the
slope
as
of
the
street
is
often
considered
acceptable.
K
However,
the
slope
of
the
street
was
steep.
A
tour
of
this
Parkway
was
steep
enough
and
we
had
enough
concerns
that
we
really
wanted
to
get
to
at
least
one
to
twelve,
in
order
to
be
able
to
make
it
safer
for
people
who
are
on
wheels
so
to
speak.
So
we
did
that
and
that
complies
with
what
IDOT
requires
us
to
do
on
all
projects
that
are
on
that
are
federally
funded
or
partially
funded
through,
like
MFT
motor
fuel
sales,
tax
and
various
things.
K
K
K
It
will,
it
will
be
kind
of
a
truncated
edge.
You
know
will,
but
there
will
be
a
little
bit
of
slope
to
it.
Some
of
the
other
areas
where
this
the
retaining
wall
comes
down
to
an
intersection.
You
step
it
a
little
bit.
It's
not
a
completely
up
and
down
slow,
but
it's
not
like
a
we
deal
with
gradual.
You
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
angle
as
we
finish
it.
A
All
right
would
any
members
it
sounds
like
we
do.
Any
members
of
the
public
I'd
like
to
speak
to
again
we'd.
Ask
that
you
speak
to
preservation
issues
because
we
have.
We
only
have
advisory
saying
those.
So
we
have
really
no
say
whatsoever
on
any
kind
of
safety
issues.
We
don't
you
know,
have
any
knowledge
of
such
issues,
and
this
is
really
not
the
right
forum
to
do
that.
But
if
any
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak,
please
feel
free
to
come
up
and
introduce
you.
A
M
Here
and
I
actually
have
a
family
member
who
uses
a
wheelchair,
and
you
know
that
corners
part
of
our
daily
lives
and
my
concerns
are
all
about
a
DA
accessibility
which
I
have
a
fair
amount
of
familiarity
with
so
I'm
not
should
I
and
I've.
Actually,
you
know
written
them
up
and
done
some
measurements
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
appropriate,
then
to
to
share
with
you
I
mean.
A
M
Surprising
to
us
that
in
the
neighbors
that
the
first
that
we
heard
about
this
was
for
this
meeting
the
card
in
our
mailbox
for
this
meeting.
You
know
not
not
before
then,
because
that
is
a
very
unsafe
intersection
and
there's
a
lot
of
accidents,
people
coming
down
the
hill
and
onto
Ridge
and-
and
we
have
concerns
about
safety-
not
about
you,
know
things.
It
sounds
like
that
applied
to
you
all,
but.
A
M
A
F
Me
to
be,
can
I
just
ask
a
question,
though
of
us
I
mean
so
weird
so
I
know
you
had
asked
this,
so
people
have
to
know
where
to
go
because
it
seems
like
it
shouldn't
have
come.
This
is
just
I,
don't
know,
but
why
it's
coming
to
preservation,
but
most
of
these
issues
seem
to
be
about
safety,
and
those
are
the
primary
issues
for
for
this
yeah.
H
M
B
I
My
name
is
Gary
shoemaker,
as
you
pointed
out,
your
purview
is
preservation.
The
piece
of
this
that
I
would
be
that
I
would
have
a
question
about
is
the
continuity
of
the
of
the
limestone
wall?
It
also
appears
to
me,
and
Lara,
might
speak
to
this
separately.
There's
currently
no
crosswalk
at
that
point.
I
Is
there
planned
stoplight
crosswalk
that
would
fall
under
your
purview,
but
I
think
the
question
of
how
that
wall
is
truncated
and
what
happens
to
the
curve
on
the
outside
is
really
the
piece
of
advisor
review
that
that
you
should
be
offering
to
this
body.
So
thank
you.
That
would
be
my
concern.
Thank
you.
The
cute.
K
Okay,
so
as
we
here's
the
demolition
drawing
so
all
of
this
area
is
the
area
that
is
impacted,
we're
removing
this
sidewalk.
This
sidewalk
we're
also
removing
the
retaining
wall
that
actually
is
at
the
corner.
Currently,
when
we
put
it
in
this
will
actually
be
just
like.
At
normal
Street
height,
there
will
be
a
new
sidewalk
that
slopes
up
to
here
gradually
a
new
sidewalk
that
slopes
up
to
here
they'll
hit
this
common
elevation,
and
then
this
is
where
most
of
the
rise
occurs.
K
The
wall
will
be
truncated
at
this
edge
here,
but
the
new
wall
will
be
installed
back
here
and
I
regret
at
the
moment
that
I
don't
have
a
picture
of
where
this
happens
on
Ridge,
Avenue
and
other
locations,
but
it
is
similar
to
what
has
happened
at
Ridge
and
other
locations.
This
isn't
the
only
intersection
where
it
comes
down.
There
is
no
plan
currently
to
install
a
crosswalk.
This
is
this
is
where
it
is
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge.
K
The
choices
are
to
sort
of
put
back
what
we
are
removing
with
the
same
level
of
accessibility.
There
are
people
that
do
choose
to
cross
there.
Although
there
are
no
crosswalks,
there's
no
rule
against
it,
that's
not
what
I
would
recommend
if
we
were
to
remove
this
piece
of
sidewalk,
because
we
don't
want
people
to
cross
there.
We
also
have
to
come
in
and
remove
this
piece
of
sidewalk
and
it
gets
into
a
bigger
issue
to
keep
people
out
of
the
street,
and
there
are
people
that
would
prefer
to
cross
there.
K
There
has
been
no
there's
been
no
overriding
discussion
that
says:
we're
not
gonna,
let
people
cross
there,
but
those
would
be
our
choices.
We
could
remove
the
ability
of
people
to
cross
there,
but
we'd
have
to
do
a
better
project
and
that's
something
I
would
tell
you
it's
something
we
discussed.
We
felt
it
was
better
to
not
change
the
traffic
patterns
and
to
pedestrians
and
to
just
put
back
what
we
could
I.
C
K
K
C
K
K
F
K
Indiana
limestone
is
readily
available,
and
this
staff
in
Public
Works
has
of
people
have
damaged
the
wall
in
various
ways,
has
I
have
frequently
had
to
purchase
Indiana
limestone
and
to
repair
it
make
wall
repair.
So
we're
not
planning
on
just
discarding
the
old
limestone,
but
we
feel
be
relatively
easy
to
procure
the
matching
Indiana
limestone
I
just.
A
Wanted
the
preservation
issues
involved
here
are
really
negligible
and
the
I
mean
you
know
what
the
the
safety
and
Adi
issues
are.
What
are
going
to
take
the
improvements
and
they're
not
really
going
to
be
dictated
to
any
great
extent
by
aesthetics,
I'm,
just
wonder
if
it's
worth
investing
any
more
time
in
the
Commission
and
I
mean
you
know,
even
just
the
other
matters
up
to
me
all
have
material
preservation,
issues
that
we
can
actually
say
and
they're.
Just
ok.
F
I
would
just
ask
that
I
think
we
could
make
a
recommendation
based
on
this
if
we
had
more
visual
information
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked
that
relate
to
preservation
in
terms
of
what
it
looks
like
you
know,
so
that's
what
I
would
say
so
that
we
could,
but
we
can't
I,
don't
think
we
can
that's
what
everyone's
asking
like.
How
does.
K
I'm
happy
to
provide
that
detail
to
Carlos
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
detail
is
entirely
created.
I
be
honest.
It's
a
more
extensive
than
we
would
usually
do
for
this
kind
of
project
and
I
understand
your
concern
about
wanting
to
have
it.
So
we
can
provide
that
detail
and
have
it
distributed.
It
is
up
to
you
if
you
want
me
to
come
back.
H
K
C
Not
a
problem
can
I
add
something
I
think
Laura.
It's
really.
My
sense
is
that
if
you
take
one
a
couple
of
those
photos
that
show
it
and
somebody
just
overlays
it
by
sort
of
drawing
where
it
is
even
a
very
simple
sketch
and
showing
the
walls,
you
know
no
one
expects
a
very
high
gloss,
rendering
or
anything
like
understood.
H
A
H
B
N
Okay,
all
right!
No,
this
will
give
you
the
general
idea:
I'm
Susan,
Bedard
I'm,
the
architect
I'd
like
to
introduce
Leslie
sub
check
of
my
client
she's,
the
owner
of
this
unusual
house.
This
is
a
house
that
has
been
through
a
lot.
It
was
originally
built
around
1880.
It's
been
added
to
at
least
four
times
that
we
can
identify
over
the
years.
This
is
the
back
of
the
house,
we're
concerned
with
the
back
of
the
house.
The
part
of
the
house.
We're
proposing
to
demolish
is
mainly
the
later
add-ons,
probably
from
the
1950s
you
can.
N
This
is
what
the
back
of
the
house
looks
like
now,
these
to
the
this
first
and
second
floor.
Isn't
what
we're
demolishing
what
this
drawing
doesn't
show
is
the
tree
which
is
actually
touching
the
house
to
the
right
of
this
part,
we're
demolishing
this
house
is
home
to
the
largest
oak
tree
in
Evanston,
which
at
present
like
I
said,
is
actually
touching
the
house.
It's
a
really
huge
tree.
It's
18
feet
in
circumference
at
the
base.
N
N
So
when
you
look
at
the
proposed
rear
elevation,
the
way
that
the
the
way
that
this
roofs,
this
sets
back
at
the
second
floor
is
due
to
the
tree,
which
kind
of
spreads
a
little
as
it
goes
up
and
we
have
to
back
away.
We
kept
the
same
wall
lying
at
the
first
floor
because
it's
the
least
disturbing
to
the
tree.
If
we
keep
you
reuse
the
old
foundation,
so
that
kind
of
explains
the
shape
we
believe
the
shape
and
the
scale
of
this
addition
is
in
keeping
with
the
overall
appearance
of
the
house.
N
Form
which
is
consistent
with
the
Victorian
houses,
which
tend
to
be
vertical,
the
windows
are
wood,
double
hung
and
comparable
in
shape
and
size
to
the
existing
windows.
The
overall
height
is
nearly
the
same
as
the
high
it's
a
little
below
the
highest
peak
of
the
existing
roof.
The
roof
pitch
is
12
and
12,
which
is
the
same
as
the
two
gables
on
the
front
of
the
house.
Interestingly,
the
side
facing
Gables
the
existing
side
facing
Gables
are
all
eight
and
twelve,
which
we're
copying
in
our
side
facing
gable.
N
The
original
details,
such
as
the
crown
moldings
over
the
windows
and
the
crowns
at
the
eaves,
are
being
reproduced
and,
in
general,
we're
trying
to
work
into
the
appearance
of
the
existing
house.
The
owners
have
been
excellent
stewards
of
this
unusual
house,
for
example,
their
recent
restoration
of
the
front
porch
was
beautifully
done
and
they
would
like
to
update
their
kitchen
and
the
living
areas
in
the
back
of
the
house,
which
believe
me
is
sorely
needed
and
to
save
their
oak
tree.
N
The
side
elevations
are
affected
because,
of
course,
we're
building
a
new
rear
addition,
but
the
fact
is,
you
can't
see
them
from
either
the
street
or
the
alley.
This
is
all
you
can
see,
and
you
can't
see
it
very
well
by
the
way,
but
I
do
have
the
elevations
of
the
sides.
If
you
could
just
show
us
the
rear.
Oh
that's
existing.
So
this
is
the
south
side
and
this
actually,
this
elevation
is
existing
and
we're
not
changing
it.
N
This
is
the
new
the
side
elevation
of
what
we're
building
there's
no
way
you
could
see
that
from
either
the
street
or
the
alley
just
because
of
where
the
other
buildings
are
and
the
garages
and
everything.
And
then
this
is
the
other
side
which
believe
me,
you
can't
see,
and
boy
did.
We
have
a
hard
time
figuring
out
the
existing.
It's
only
three
feet
from
the
lot
line.
There's
a
tall
fence
on
the
lot
line,
and
it's
it's
one
of
the
most
invisible
elevations
I've
ever
come
across
and.
N
From
here
well,
actually,
this
is
all
new
siding,
because
from
here
this,
this
is
existing
house
behind
here,
except
that
we're
adding
about
two
and
a
half
feet,
building
all
the
way
to
the
lot
line
on
that
side.
If
I
go
to
the
back
to
the
plan,
you
can
see
the
well
the
addition
you
can
see
we're
adding
this
little
strip.
N
N
There
are
more
pictures
in
the
in
the
packets
I.
Don't
think
these
are
no
all
right.
Well,
oh,
these
are
the
ones
that
I
sent
you
later
Carlos.
Those
are
not
the
ones
that
there's
there's
printed
ones
in
the
packet,
but
anyway
no
we
were
unable
to
take
pictures
of
this
side
that
were
any
help
at
all.
There's,
but
I
can
show
you
the
elevation
of
that
site.
Well,
actually,
there's
an
existing.
A
C
N
N
H
N
B
N
B
F
N
To
be
building,
we
have
consulted
with
the
arborist
that
the
owners
have
been
working
with
for
many
years
and
he
feels
confident
that
with
hand
digging
and
careful
root
pruning
that,
because
it's
such
an
isolated
area
of
work,
that
we
can
do
this
small
amount
of
new
foundation.
It's
going
to
be
pretty
hairy,
but
we're
taking
his
word
for
it
that
this
can
be
done.
F
I'm,
sorry,
but
so
okay,
so
the
set
deck
is
coming
later
so
right
now
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
out.
You
just
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
out
of
the
French
doors
for
the
for
the
house.
There
cuz
well
Jason,
that's
right!
You
just
can't
get
out
of
it,
and
then
you
have
to
come
before
us,
for
that
is
that
right,
Carlos.
C
It's
gonna
be
alright.
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1418
Judson,
the
removal
of
portions,
of
the
rear
of
the
rear
of
the
house,
construction
of
a
new
two-story
addition,
an
extension
of
the
home,
and
it
would
be
the
applicable
standards
for
construction,
one
through
five,
seven,
eight
and
10
through
15
and
we'll.
We
want
to
combine
them
or
a
separate
motion
for
combine.
You
can
come
back
okay
and
for
demolition
standards,
one
through
six.
Second,.
H
O
O
Is
our
site
plan
proposed
so
showing
the
new
garage
I
mean
if
it's
okay
with
you
I'll
flip
through
to
the
pictures
of
the
proposed
garage
and
the
show?
Would
you
prefer
to
see
the
pictures
or
the
drawings
pretty
simple
design?
I
can
also
show
you
the
pictures
of
the
existing
house,
mostly
you're,
seeing
the
back
of
the
house.
The
one
on
the
top
right
is
the
front
of
the
house,
and
this
is
the
existing
garage.
If
the
original
garage.
O
It
will
be
siding,
it's
a
vinyl
siding
as
you
can
see,
the
color
is
intended
to
match
the
color
of
the
house,
which
the
current
garage
does
not
the
one
detail
on
the
garage
door
that
you
cannot
see
is
that
there
is
a
pickup
cross
pane
in
the
windows
of
the
garage
door
and
the
little
panes
at
the
top
of
the
garage
door.
We
have
to
have
plan
to
put
lighting
on
either
side
of
the
garage
doors
kind
of
decorative
fixtures
on
either
side
of
the
main
garage
door.
On
the
side
that
is
facing
north.
O
O
O
O
And
the
the
existing
garage
is
closer
to
the
property
line
than
the
new
garage
will
be
we're
making
a
compliant
with
new
Sony.
It's
also
it's.
You
can
probably
see
this
by
the
size
of
the
apron.
The
current
garage
is
set
further
back
into
the
yard.
Then
I
guess
is
standard.
We've
been
told
than
a
standard
and
we're
going
to
maintain
that
so
won't
move
closer
into
the
alley.
It's
the
the
garage
that
is
east
of
us
is
very,
very
large.
C
O
O
F
O
Didn't
consider
stucco
in
it
I
mean.
Certainly,
we've
talked
about
it
in
the
past,
but
you
know
the
existing
garage
is
not
stucco
either
it's
siding,
so
we
didn't
consider
it
to
thoroughly
them.
You
know
the
garages
that
have
the
majority
of
the
garages
in
our
alleyway,
our
siding,
regardless
of
the
structure
of
the
houses,
so
we
felt
like
it
was
kind
of
in
line
with
what
we
see
for
garages,
at
least
in
our
alley.
C
Well,
I
think
the
intent,
though,
is
that
you
try.
You
know
these
all
came
along
whenever
cars
were
invented,
or
whatever
in
your
house,
probably
preceded
that
era,
so
I'm
not
sure
you
should
use
the
other
houses
on
the
block
is
the
precedent.
But
it's
it's
a
question
of
these
materials
versus
you
know.
Is
there
any
relationship,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out,
and
it
was
hard
to
tell
from
your
photos
whether
there's
some
relationship
of
some
of
the
detailing
to
details
of
the
house,
regardless
of
the
stucco
versus
vinyl?
There's.
O
The
house
has
has
quite
a
lot
going
on
and
you
know
we've.
This
is
our
third
major
project
on
the
house.
We've
tried,
as
we've
gone
along,
to
make
improvements
there
to
try
and
bring
some
integrity
to
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
done
to
the
house.
So
we
don't,
we
don't
take
lightly.
You
know
putting
in
vinyl
siding
and
vinyl
windows.
A
F
J
C
A
F
A
A
J
Hardy
board
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
a
percentage
of
the
overall
project
or
how
you
want
how
you
want
me
to
talk
to
that,
but
the
the
hardy
board
was
an
additional
about
thirty,
four
percent,
more
than
the
of
the
overall
project.
So
that's
why
we
went
went
to
vinyl
that
you
know
the
vinyl
siding
the
windows
we'll
go
back
to
that.
So
I
won't
speak
to
if
it's
wood
or
whatever.
That
is,
but
that's
that's
why
we,
we
chose
vinyl
or
suede
towards
vinyl
how's.
That.
C
I'd
be
a
little
bit
concerned
of
what
the
finals,
how
well
the
vinyls
gonna
survive
on
the
end,
when
I
made
the
comment
about
the
stucco
I'd
probably
be
much
more
concerned
about
the
vinyl
on
that
side
of
the
house
as
well.
That's
you
know,
that's
gonna,
take
a
beating
like
it
or
not,
and
it
doesn't
really
hold
up
that.
Well,
so
I
think
some
of
the
reasons
for
proposing
other
materials
really
has
to
do
with
the
long
term
life
as
well,
but
I
underst.
D
Move
that
we
proved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1229
Jetson
to
build
a
new
detached
garage
place
of
existing
garage.
The
new
garage
will
have
a
gable
roof
with
6-foot
over
or
6-inch
overhangs
asphalt,
shingle
roof,
Georgia,
specific
vinyl
siding
and
three
single
hung
windows,
applicable
standards
for
construction
1
through
5
7,
8
10
through
14
and
16
and
demolition
as
well.
16.
A
H
A
F
We're
just
just
make
an
effort.
I,
you
know
it's
you're
in
a
historic
district.
I
would
just
make
an
effort
to
have
the
designer.
You
know,
look
at
the
the
materials
and
any
of
the
detailing
just
and
really
not
wildly
elaborate,
but
something
you
know
just
something
so
that
we
can
feel
that
there
is
I.
Think
we're
that
some
of
the
commissioners
can
feel
that
there
was
an
attempt,
as
opposed
to
just
you
know,
putting
up
this
vinyl
box.
So
that's
how
that's
my
recommendation.
Does
that
help
at
all
I.
O
O
F
F
Yes,
I,
don't
think
I
think
it's
really
hard
to
just
say:
fine,
you
know
it
just
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
everyone,
but
it's
hard
as
a
preservation,
Commissioner
to
just
say:
yeah,
you
know,
vinyl
siding
buy.
You
know
just
be
a
little
even
in
terms
of
the
way
it's
drawn
or
the
windows
and
the
way
they're
depicted
or
where
they
are
compositionally
or
anything
I
mean
just
some
semblance
of
a
little
more
design.
F
That
may
not
help
but
I'd
say
but
I,
don't
know.
You
know,
and
you
know,
we've
seen
I'll
tell
you.
We
have
seen
danly
garages
go
up
and
sometimes
they're.
You
know
they
take
the
roof
pitch
or
they
change
the
detailing
or
the
material
changes
and
that
that
has
gone
through.
So
it's
not
that
you,
it
can't
go
through
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
If.
F
C
Let's
call
it
the
east
side
or
the
rear
of
the
house,
which
is
the
closest
thing
to
the
garage
so
I'm
having
a
struggle
trying
to
figure
out
what
I'm
really
looking
at
there
and
there's
got
to
be
something
about
how
you
relate
it
and
what's
really
unfortunate
and
they
kind
of
gave
it
away
even
with
a
rendering
that
didn't
put
it
in
the
right
relationship.
It's
as
if
we
already
have
this
in
the
box,
we'll
just
you
know,
give
them
drawing
number
47
and
that'll
be
good
enough
and
and
I
know.
C
That
seems
a
bit
casual,
but
but
I
tend
to
think
that,
as
Julie
just
said,
they've
done
garages
in
places.
You
know
that
we've
seen
that
that
took
some
clues
from
the
house
and
you
don't
get
any
feeling
here
that
any
of
that
was
done.
It's
hard
for
me
to
tell
whether
there's
some
trim
and
other
things
and
the
rear
of
the
house
or
in
other
parts,
and
maybe
somebody
else,
has
looked
at
the
house
more
carefully
to
see
whether
there's
some
elements
that
could
have
been
incorporated.
C
I'm,
not
sure
I,
mean
vinyl,
is
a
problem
because
everybody
on
this
Commission
goes:
oh,
my
god
vinyl
and
we
all
sort
of
start
panicking
and
breaking
out
into
whatever,
but
but
I
think
it's
it's
much
more.
Are
there
some
things
about
your
house
whether
it
be
the
original
house?
You
know
pre
additions
or
not.
That
could
do
it
without
necessarily
doing
you
know
the
elaborate
roof
that
you
seem
to
have
on
the
original
house
and
I.
Don't
think
you
need
to
do
that,
but
there
had
to
be
some
things.
C
I
think
it's
more
than
the
material
that
you
know
in
crude
terms
as
a
cookie-cutter
garage
and
it
looks
like
it
could
be
on
any
lot
in
the
Chicago
area
without
any
reference
to
where
you're,
putting
it
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
throw
away
is
to
me
the
way
they've
handled
it
and
I'm
saying
they've
handled
it
and
not
you,
even
though
you
know
it
is
yours.
I.
A
Mean
often
it's
just
simple
things
like
the
windows
matching
to
the
rear
of
the
house,
so
that
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
whole
I
mean
it
Zelly
said
it's
a
little
hard
for
us
to
tell
whether
we
can't
tell
if
there's
any
relationship
or
not
or
whether
there
was
any
effort
to
do
that.
But
then
there's
no
one
requirement.
I
think
there
was
just
a
feeling
that
you
know
on
the
whole
it
just
it
didn't
look
consistent
with
this
to
our
cows
and
some
get
a
basic
quality
way.
B
Before
excuse
me,
I'll
be
happy
to
stop
by
your
property
and
maybe
look
at
options,
because
I
think
the
Commission
is
interested
in.
You
know
approving
something,
but
that
would
meet
the
standards
rather
than
that.
So
I'll
be
happy
to
stop
by
and
give
you
some
suggestions.
If
you
agree-
and
it
will
be
just
my
suggestions
as
staff
I-
cannot
predict
what
the
Commission
will
do,
but
my
my
hope
is
that
whatever
I
suggest
will
fit
your
budget,
or
at
least
would
be
closer
to
your
budget.
B
C
Carlos
mark,
and
maybe
even
Scott,
would
we
have
been
better
off,
and
this
is
also
for
their
timing.
I'm
ignoring
budget
momentarily
because
by
by
doing
what
we've
done,
they
have
to
reapply,
and
god
knows
how
far
out
into
the
future
it
is.
Would
we
have
been
better
off
to
say
that
we're
deferring
it
or
or,
however,
because
that
allows
them
to
modify
and
come
back
as
a
continuing
application,
I'm
just
asking
whether
because
I'm
just
trying
to
save
you,
the
agony
of
you
know
coming
back
in
November
and
saying.
What's
the
point
you.
B
Know
I'm
just
there,
so
the
motion
was
to
approve
an
idiot
impasse,
so
you
didn't,
we
didn't
have
a
motion
to
deny
so
I
think
that's
opening
the
opportunity
to
diet
for
dialogue.
You
know
what,
but
what
can
you
think
you
can
do
to
make
your
project
more
in
keeping
with
standards
for
construction?
It's
anything
else
out
there.
B
So
I
don't
know
if
the
Commission
has
the
same
thought
as
far
as
continuing
or
because
I
you
know,
if
you
can
modify
your
design
and
keep
the
same
application.
I'm.
Ok
with
that
as
a
staff,
but
I
don't
know
that
would
I
mean
if
you're
gonna
keep
the
same
footprint
the
same
location,
you're,
not
gonna,
change
anything
as
far
as
zoning.
C
A
A
H
G
G
D
I
I
This
is
a
two-story
addition
proposed
to
the
north
end
of
the
existing
structure,
which
is
a
brick
house
that
was
built
in
1910.
This
is
an
existing.
This
existing
corner
of
the
house
is
a
two-story
sleeping
porch
that
was
enclosed
some
number
of
years
ago.
Our
addition
extends
that
porch
about
two
feet
to
meet
the
property
line
we
are
zoning
compliant
of
our
Carlos,
has
a
copy
of
our
zoning
at
our
zoning
compliance
letter,
the
visible
the
visible
portion
of
this
project
is
from
the
front
on
that
corner
and
obliquely
down
the
side.
I
The
house
to
the
north
is
built
immediately
on
the
property
line
with
a
zero
setback,
so
most
of
this
north
elevation
is
obscured.
So
this
is
the
existing
house.
We've
taken
these
photographs
from
within
the
within
the
tree
line
if
you've
gone
by
the
house,
we'll
see
that
there's
a
tall
row
of
trees
between
these
properties
and
in
the
street.
This
is
just
within
that.
This
is
the
sleeping
porch
that
will
be
demolishing.
I
This
is
the
view
from
the
from
the
entry
between
those
trees
coming
in,
as
you
can
see
that
peeking
out
over
here,
the
two
renderings
here
show
the
new
addition.
This
is
the
two-story
addition
with
a
gable
roof.
We
are
replicating
the
masonry,
the
cornice
work
and
the
chimney
from
the
main
house
debate.
The
chimney
is
on
the
back
side
of
the
house
and
there's
another
on
this
end,
where
you're
replicating
the
brickwork
and
the
details
on
that.
We
have
sourced
brick
through
Gavin
historical
brick,
to
match
this
product.
I
We've
had
them
out
several
times
to
do
this,
all
the
limestone
work
will
be
replicated
for
the
front
as
we
take
down
this
section
as
well
as
a
portion
on
the
east
side
around
the
corner,
all
the
brick
will
be
salvaged
everything
we
salvaged
from
the
demolition
going
to
be
used
for
the
street
side
and
the
visible
signs.
Everything
on
the
back
of
the
house
will
be
the
newer
brick.
I
So
again,
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
one-story
garage
immediately
to
the
immediately
to
the
north
and,
as
I
said,
this
wall
of
that
particular
garage
is
immediately
on
the
on
the
property
line,
so
our
setback
is
five
feet
from
the
property
line.
We
have
a
window
hi.
We
have
a
small
with
a
small
service
door
on
the
side
below,
but
that's
a
blank
wall,
that's
about
five
feet
off
of
the
face
of
our
of
our
house
again.
Looking
from
Sheridan
Road
in
this
is
the
portion
of
that
structure.
I
That's
visible
relative
to
this
portion
of
the
structure.
That's
currently
visible
today.
Our
proposal
is
also
to
replace
all
of
the
existing
windows
on
this
facade.
This
project
is
undergone.
A
couple
of
additions
in
several
remodeling
is
over
the
course
of
its
life.
One
of
those
was
to
enclose
and
create
an
addition
on
this
end
of
the
house.
These
are
all
Marvin
windows
that
were
installed
as
new
windows,
most
if
not
all,
of
the
windows
in
this
section
of
the
house
were
insert
windows.
I
I
These
are
original
stained
glass
windows
and
if
you
look
in
a
few
senior
packet,
these
frames
sashes
have
failed
and
the
there
are
storm
windows
covering
them.
Now.
Our
plan
right
now
is
to
church
glaze
these
windows
we're
going
to
have
them
fully
restored
and
installed
behind
thermopane
glass
as
part
of
a
Marvin
system
which
will
remove
the
additional
layers
of
storm
panels
in
front
of,
and
so
this
is
the
south-facing
facade
of
the
main
house.
There's
no
change
to
this
end
of
the
house.
I
These
these
are
the
rear
elevations.
The
section
we're
talking
about
is
this
corner.
This
is
the
two-story
sleeping
porch
on
the
house.
Now
this
is
the
volume
of
the
addition
that
we're
putting
on
there's
the
chimney.
That's
the
chimney
masonry
detailing
caps
that
were
will
be
matching
in
the
project.
I
I
Above
so,
while
the
view
will
take
light
into
the
upper
storey
of
the
house,
but
we've
left
this
section
blank
again
because
one,
it's
predominantly
obscured,
also
because
it's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
existing
structure
from
the
front
of
elevation
of
the
house,
the
flat
elevation
there's
the
porch
we're
taking
down.
This
is
a
non
original
window,
we're
not
sure
when
it
went
in,
but
it's
it's
a.
It
is
not
a
thermally
broken
window
and
it's
not
simulated
divided
light.
It
has
a
grill
on
it.
That's
applied
on
the
inside,
not
particularly
well.
I
These
we
believe
are
not
original.
That
was
a
sleeping
porch,
but
they
are
aged
windows.
They
are
casement
windows
again,
do
not
match
anything
on
the
house.
None
of
the
windows
on
this
house
were
we're
mold
windows,
at
least
none
of
the
original
windows
we've
located
the
windows
in
the
front
of
the
house.
Are
these
casements
those
have
the
leaded
glass
panels
in
them,
but
they're
they're
leaded
glass
panels
in
full
frame
casement.
I
So
again
this
is
section
coming
down.
This
is
the
new
edition.
These
windows
would
be
the
new
Marvin
ultimate
windows.
These
would
match
that
continuing
the
sill
in
the
head
courses
all
the
way
across
the
house.
These
remain
as
existing.
These
are
Marvin
Ultimates
as
well.
These
windows
are
all
replaced.
These
two
windows
are
existing
as
well.
These
are
existing
leaded
glass
windows,
one
of
which
is
relocated
slightly
higher
on
the
facade.
I
The
sections
you'll
see
that
we've
indicated
the
the
infill
windows
in
the
gaps
relative
to
the
new.
It's
a
Marvin
window,
the
sash
sash
frames
and
sizes
are
the
same,
but
because
we
are
no
longer
gonna
be
using
these
inserts.
The
glass
area
does
improve
by
about
2
inches
in
both
directions.
Her
sash.
I
These
are
our
these
are
our
leaded
glass
and
casement
in
casement
windows.
You
see
again
that
the
size
of
this
sash
and
if
you
look
at
the
packet,
the
difference
here
is
about
a
sixteenth
of
an
inch
between
the
existing
window
that
we're
replacing
in
the
Marvin
ultimate
that
we'll
be
putting
in
its
place.
I
You
can
see
the
leaded
glass
behind
these
obscured
by
the
storm
panels.
The
heat
gained
between
these
windows
has
caused
the
leaded
glass
to
fail
majority.
If
not
all
the
rest,
your
glass
restoration
experts
would
recommend
framing
these
and
putting
them
behind
insulated
glass
to
preserve
them,
so
they
are
in
good
condition.
The
caning
has
failed,
but
most
if
not
all
the
glass
is
still
intact.
So
we
plan
to
take
those
out
and
remove
them
from
the
sight
during
construction.
I
So
you
can
also
see
that
the
sizes
of
the
the
size
of
the
frames
and
the
inserts
vary
as
you
go
through
the
house,
depending
on
where,
where
and
what
era
the
windows
were
replaced.
So
again,
our
intent
is
to
replace
these
with
a
with
a
consistent
landmark
series
window.
These
would
all
be
aluminum
clad
windows
as
we
submit
it
in
the
packet
there's
one
of
the
insert
windows.
Again
you
can
see
our
goal
is
to
eliminate
all
this
panning
and
increase
increase
the
light
in
the
house.
A
I
The
window
unit
over
here
place,
the
stained
glass
will
be
removed,
salvaged
reconstructed
and,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
the
church,
glazed
window,
it's
a
it's
a
casement
sash,
but
on
the
inside
it
has
an
additional
clip
and
frame.
So
a
piece
of
stained
glass
is
inserted
on
the
interior
side
and
held
in
place
so
that
the
window
remains
operable,
but
the
stained
glass
is
protected
on
the
heated
and
cooled
side.
C
I
D
All
right,
I
move
that
we
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
715,
Sheridan
Road,
constructing
a
two-story
addition
along
the
north
end
of
the
structure
matching
masonry
ceramic
roof
tiles,
limestone
caps
and
cornices,
and
marvin
ultimate
casement
Dohan
units
to
match
the
main
structure.
Second
level
of
the
east
facing
portion
of
the
North
Edition
is
constructed
with
Marvin
ultimate
French
doors
and
fix
units
with
trim
brackets
outriggers
and
rafter
tails,
also
replacement
in
the
non
original.
I
My
name
is
Gary
shoemaker,
with
shoemaker
design-build
assessments.
The
value
right
now
is
at
7:30
Sheridan
Road,
which
is
directly
across
the
street
from
the
project
we
just
spoke
about
this.
This
project
includes
this
is
a
mid-century
modern
house
that
that
has
had
some
work
done
on
it.
We
were
before
this
commission
a
year
or
so
ago
for
a
master
suite.
We
did
that
included
some
skylights
and
some
remodeling
on
the
north
side.
I
If
you
look,
the
existing
the
existing
house
is.
This
house
is
a
twin
of
the
one
immediate
to
the
south
of
it.
We
also
refer
this
commission
to
do
some
work
on
that
house
several
years
ago.
This
this
front
door
assembly
in
the
paneling
inside
is
all
applied.
It's
all
applied
paneling.
This
is
the
view
looking
from
Sheridan
Road
at
the
front
door,
which
is
simply
a
blank
wall.
Our
proposal
is
to
enclose
part
of
that
entry
and
to
create
a
new
front
door.
I
I
I
That'll
be
stained
for
the
side
of
this
for
the
side
of
the
existing
porch,
we're
going
to
use
a
painted
ship
lap
siding
with
a
3/8
inch
reveal
that
comes
along
the
side
and
returns
around
the
front
and
then
against
this
facade,
which
is
a
solid
door
again
and
a
piece
of
glass
there's
a
small
overhang
that
provides
a
little
bit
of
a
weather
break.
This
is
the
existing
open
porch.
This
is
the
enclosure
and
again
in
the
in
the
revised
packet
that
we
sent
over.
I
This
is
a
solid
door
and
there
are
half
round
gutters
that
run
along
this
edge
on
the
rear
of
the
house.
This
is
an
existing
full
glass
door.
This
is
an
existing
floor
panel,
sliding
door
we're
replacing
those
in
kind.
The
project
that
we
applied
and
have
now
completed
with
this
house,
included
in
Marvin
I'm,
sorryi
Pella
architect,
series
contemporary
window,
which
is
basically
a
modern
putty
glazed
version
of
the
landmark
series
window
through
Pella
we're
going
to
use
the
same
window
system
window
and
door
system
on
the
back
of
that
house.
I
This
is
that
applied
paneling
that
obviously
the
storm
door
will
be
gone
on.
The
inside
this
window
is
also
being
replaced
to
match
the
side
light
with
a
with
a
full
height
casement
window.
Again,
you
see
the
casement
windows
are
typical
on
this
house.
There
are
currently
two
double
hung:
windows
on
the
house,
this
one
which
is
tucked
into
this
tucked
into
that
entry
porch,
which
will
become
part
of
our
entry
sequence
and
adjacent
to
the
side
light
and
another
double
hung
window
on
that
side.
That
will
remain
until
perhaps
a
future
project
again
example.
I
The
windows
that
we
have
proved
before
this
is
the
this
is
the
sill
height
of
the
existing
window.
We're
replacing
these.
We
can't
determine
who
the
manufacturer
is,
but
again
they're
not
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
house,
so
we're
asking
to
replace
these
with
Windows.
That
would
then
be
consistent.
I
A
C
Move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
a
C
of
a
all
of
this
for
7:30
Sheridan
Road
for
the
partial
enclosure
of
an
existing
covered,
porch
visible
from
the
public
way,
including
a
new
entry
door.
Two
new
windows
and
new
wood,
siding
and
replacement
of
a
rear
entry
door
and
sliding
patio
door
that
are
both
visible
from
the
public
way.
The
applicable
standards
are
for
alteration
one
through
ten.
A
B
C
C
C
A
A
A
B
B
C
C
A
Q
Q
Q
I've
had
dealings
with
Carlos,
because
my
wife
and
I
had
a
feeling
extensive
renovation
project
on
our
house
in
1993
Carlos,
so
I
asked
Carlos
what
the
stamp,
but
what
the
procedure
would
be,
and
he
indicated
to
me
that
they
should
have
to
make
a
full
presentation
to
the
Commission
to
put
solar
panels
on
a
house
in
in
the
historic
district
or
on
a
landmark
house
which
is
outside
of
historic
district.
The
issue
in
terming,
in
putting
solar
panels
on
the
house,
is
relatively
simple:
I
think
that
the
pianos
are
of
standard
size.
Q
Q
The
issue
is
really
what
impact
putting
a
layer
on
top
of
the
roof
has
on
the
historic
impact
of
a
particular
house.
I
looked
at,
you
know,
I
think
there's.
You
know
that
the
regulations
provide
that
in
terms
of
changing
the
roof
material
for
for
a
house
that
it
they
can
either
be
decided
by
the
staff
or
can
be
decided
by
or
it
can
be
decided
by
the
Commission,
depending
on
the
impact
that
they.
Q
Q
Which
is
we've
just
part
of
the
website
for
the
Preservation
Commission
has
a
Avery,
a
survey
that
was
done
in
2000
2011,
which,
with
respect
to
the
roof,
says
that
they
can't
tell
a
material
because
it's
it
can't
be
seen
from
the
street
to
me
that
kind
of
situation
where
the
staff
ought
to
be
able
to
say.
If
you
want
to
put
solar
panels
on
your
flat
roof,
you
ought
to
be
able
to
do
it.
I.
Q
Went
you
know
that
the
city
of
Evanston
has
taken
steps
to
to
say
that
they
want
city
eventually
to
be
totally
relying
upon
renewable
energy
sources,
that
the
city
has
has
organized
a
an
alternative
for
city
members
for
residents
to
use
to
elect
to
get
all
of
their
electricity
from
renewable
sources.
They
adopted
a
plan.
Q
Need
of
the
city
to
have
sustainable
energy
energy
delivery.
So
what
when
I'm,
asking
and
I'm
recommending?
Is
that
authority
be
given
to
a
staff
in
situations
to
to
approve,
in
appropriate
circumstances,
the
installation
of
a
solar
panels?
Now
I
I
also
recognize
that
there
are
situations
where,
where
solar
panels
on
the
whole
would
be
totally
inappropriate.
Q
The
main
feature
of
my
home
is
a
sweeping
roof,
which
is
very
unique.
I
would
never
ever
think
of
putting
solar
panels
on
the
front
of
my
home.
On
the
other
hand,
I
also
have
a
garage
with
a
south-facing
roof,
where
I
could
very
easily
put
solar
panels
and
I.
Don't
know
that
that's
feasible,
but
I
think
there's
there
there's
certainly
there's,
certainly
in
line
somewhere
where
people
should
know
what
they
can
and
they
cannot
do,
and
they
should
have
some
guidance,
so
I
guess
I
would
like
to
have
the
I
my
email
outlines.
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
I
mean
I,
think
the
you
know
you
I
mean
we
do
to
tend
to
divide
issues
for
administrative
staff
and
versus
Commission
into
issues
that
have
no
material
effect
on
the
exterior
appearance
versus
issues
that
do
I
think
we
could
look
at
whether
there's
some
type
of
Division
like
that
that
can
be
made
for
solar
panels,
I.
Think,
as
you
yourself
said,
somebody
could,
in
theory,
come
to
us
with
I
mean
we've.
Definitely
on
other
issues.
We
haven't
had
many
solar
panel
issues.
A
She
said
we've
just
had
like
two
or
three
in
the
last
few
years.
Clearly,
on
other
issues,
we've
had
people
come
to
us
with
proposals
affecting
front
facades
of
structures
and
historic
districts
that
one
would
be
astounded.
They
thought
that
was
somehow
compatible
and
the
neighbors
were
astounded
that
they
thought
that
was
compatible
and
so
I
think
we
wouldn't
I,
don't
think
the
members.
A
The
Commissioner
would
support
some
giving
up
authority
over
something
that
did
have
a
major
effect
on
the
exterior
appearance,
but
that,
but
again
what
we
clearly
agree
with
everything
you're
saying
and
that's
you
know
that's
clearly
consistent
with
how
we've
acted
and
to
the
extent
that
we
can
I
mean
I
I,
don't
think
there
been
I
mean
again.
There's
just
been
a
couple
of
solar
panel
projects
in
the
last
few
years.
A
H
A
A
distinction
that
could
be
made-
and
we
again
we
haven't-
looked
at
it,
so
I,
don't
think
we
could
respond
today,
but
we
could
look
at
where
whether
there
are
certain
category
I
mean
a
lot
of
other
things
on
there.
It's
divided
into
things
that
are
major
have
a
major
effect
on
exterior
heroes
versus
things
that
don't
and
we
could
look
at
whether
we
could
have
that
division
with
respect
to
solar
panels
I'm
again
I,
don't
think
we
could
do
it
offhand,
but
it's
something
we
couldn't
well.
Q
Q
Q
A
A
Q
Yes,
we're
gonna,
give
you
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
I
I
called
it
on
the
two
projects,
because
you
know
that
the
same
company
installed
both
projects
which
were
done
within
500
feet
of
my
house
and
I
called
the
person
who
who
who
installed
both
of
them,
and
he
said
that
that
he
estimates
that
he
would
increase
the
cost
of
his
bid
by
$1,000.
If
he
had
to
make.
You
know,
prepare
the
documents
that
are
required.
Q
Q
Add
one
other
point:
you
know
the
program,
you
know
the
the
the
program
limits
the
city
was
was
was
get
trying
to
get
people
to
join,
but
people
have
to
sign
contracts
to
be
participating
in
in
a
group
purchase
of
solar
panels
by
September
30th.
You
know
that
the
tax
credit
of
30
percent
for
the
cost
of
the
solar
panels
is
going
to
be
reduced
from
30
percent
to
28
percent
on
January
1.
So
for
people,
if
you
want,
if
you
want
to
market
this,
to
two
people,
I
think
you
know
it
requires
some.
F
So
I
I
want
to
encourage
you
because
of
your
Pacific
project,
which
we
haven't
seen
and
we
don't
know
where
you
want
to
put
your
panels
that
you
I,
don't
you
know
I,
absolutely
think
you
know
we,
as
Mark
said,
will
discuss
whether
any
issues
of
having
solar
panels
will
that
fall
under
the
category
of
administrative
review.
I,
don't
think
we
can
say
that
now,
but
I
would
encourage
you
for
a
next
month
to
submit
your
project
right
away,
because
you
have
you,
will
you
know
it's?
It
sounds
like
you
know.
F
If
you
get
that,
you
will
be
fine
for
the
September
date
and
I
do
think
that
the
the
solar
panel
projects
that
have
come
before
us
there
have
been
some
where
we've
made
recommendations
and
they
have
come
back
again
because,
for
instance,
it
let's
say
it
was
a
landmark
home
with
all
of
the
solar
panels
facing
the
front
of
the
house,
the
street
which
maybe
was
facing
south
and
it
was
landmarked
and
then
did
not
pass
so
they
did
adjust
and
they
did
get
through.
But
it
it
isn't
you
you
know
this
is
an
issue.
F
That
is
it's
not
as
simple
as
you
may
think,
and
yes,
certainly
a
flat
roof
house
is
much
simpler
than
some
of
these
historic
homes
with
massing.
That's
very
complicated,
but
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing,
I
think
it's
important
and
you
bring
up
a
really
good
point
and
I
know
I've
spoken
to
Carlos
about
this,
that
the
Preservation
Commission
and
the
and
I
just
forgot
his
name
Carlos.
F
Should
have
a
workshop
or
something
where
there's
actually
a
discussion
for
people
who
want
to
you
know,
come
and
listen
and
learn
about
the
application
of
solar
panels
and
how
it
overlaps
with
preservation,
because,
as
we
hoped,
we
we
believe
this.
That
preservation
is
happens
to
be
a
big
part
of
the
sustainable
movement.
It
is
not
something
that
is,
you
know
just
to
keep
a
house
and
and
not
build
a
new
home.
Is
you
know
it
is
part
of
being
sustainable,
so
I
think
that
is
a
very
important
dialogue
to
have
with
the
public.
F
Q
I,
don't
think
there
should
be
a
hard
and
fast
rule,
I'm.
Just
saying
that
the
that
the
you
should
give
the
discretion
to
the
staff
in
appropriate
situations
to
say
yes,
you
can
go
ahead,
you
don't
have
to
go
through
all
of
the
other.
All
of
the
details
it's
and
I
think
because
doesn't
need
to
do
it.
So
it
simply
that's.
J
A
You
know
we
spent
about
10
meetings
of
10
hours
of
meetings,
those
lines
that
they're
not
see
I
mean
again.
We
can't
just
tell
the
staff
to
have
an
impression
as
to
you.
They
need
actual
guidance,
and
even
you
know
listening
to
you
and
thinking
about
this
I
don't
know
and
I
mean
it
doesn't
seem
so
easy
just
to
you
know
tell
the
staff.
Well,
maybe
you
can,
and
maybe
you
can't
we
need
to
come
up
with
one
that,
and
we
will
work
on
that.
A
Q
C
Think
I
think
we're
oversimplifying
a
couple
of
things:
I,
don't
have
your
letter
infirmary,
but
I
recall
that
you
were
equating
this
to
the
to
the
line
about
roofs
where
roofs
are
both
checked
off,
which
was
fine
when
you
know
someone's
coming
in
and
saying,
I
want
to
put
a
new
roof
on
my
house
and
so
on,
and
yet
here
for
at
least
two
meetings
and
not
tonight
again,
there's
been
a
struggle
with
this
elaborate
roof
up
north
that
we
still
haven't
seen
the
mock-up.
So
you
begin
to
see
that
we
can't
deal
with
it.
C
You're
also
saying:
oh
well,
if
it's
a
flat
roof,
it's
not
an
issue.
Anybody
putting
a
collector
on
a
flat
roof
is
not
laying
it
on
a
flat
roof.
They're
gonna
be
tilting
it
at
about
40-plus
degrees,
L
plus
whatever
percentage,
and
so
it
could
be
that,
in
fact,
if
one
said
oh
well
flat
roof,
not
a
problem
that,
in
fact
it
would
be
more
visible
than
some
of
the
collectors
and
panels
that
we've
seen
that
are
actually
hugging
the
roof.
But
our
problem
historically
has
been
when
we've
had
panels.
C
They're
not
part
of
the
roof
they're,
either
on
the
roof,
projecting
several
inches,
if
not
more
above
the
roof,
they're
set
in
a
way
that
they
can
be
possibly
removed,
they're
not
removed,
and
they
are
a
very
visible
portion
of
the
roof,
which
is
why,
as
Julie
said,
we've
struggled
with
them.
We've
had
people
redo
the
patterns
of
how
they're
oriented
where
they're
put
in
all
the
rest,
to
simply
say
oh
well-
and
this
is
not
to
denigrate
Carlos-
oh
well,
Carlos
can
do
it
and
you're
sparing
us
the
work.
C
Q
C
F
Q
A
The
intent
of
that
yeah
I
mean
just
information.
We
talked
about
this
a
lot.
The
intent
was
that,
if
it's
simply
a
replacement
with
the
same
materials
that
they
could
approve
it,
if
it's
changing
the
appearance
of
the
roof,
he
can't
and
and
again
we
we
put
the
X
or,
as
we
debated
that
for
a
long
time,
it's
not.
Q
I,
don't
have
I,
don't
have
I
didn't
bring.
You
bring
the
staff
Regulus
with
me
that
you
have
I,
think
line
34
says
replacement
with
the
same
materials.
It's
you
know,
y'all
don't
need
material.
Well,
then,
there's
a
line
down
with
the
talking
about
a
change
in
materials
where
both
both
the
the
staff
and
the
Commission
have
legal
authority
to
to
issue,
and
you
have
that
in
55
categories
you
have
their
seven
are
like
that.
Those.
A
Categories
were
meant
to
allow
the
staff
to
decide
whether
there
was
a
material
effect
on
appearance
right
and
they
weren't
meant
to
exempt
it
out
from
Commission
approval
altogether
and
to
the
extent
we
can
come
up
with
something
in
solar
panels.
It's
gonna
be
similar.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
blanket
exemption
for
all
projects.
Q
I'm
not
asking
you,
but
all
I'm
saying,
is
that
I
think
that
the
staff
ought
to
be
a
look
at
something
make
the
decision
you
gives
give
the
person
who
wants
to
wants
to
get
solar
panel
watch
the
support
energy,
a
quick
answer,
if,
if,
in
the
opinion
of
the
staff,
it's
not
going
to
impact,
you
know
the
the
the
the
appearance
of
the
project.
Okay,.
R
F
R
Didn't
happen
and
I
have
a
historic
house
and
I
remember
during
the
discussion.
One
of
the
things
was
you
had
to
differentiate
from
the
old
part
of
the
house
to
the
new
part
of
the
house,
so
we
did
a
little
like
four
inch,
jog
and,
and
my
opinion
of
the
solar
panels
is
I,
think
they're
ugly
it
on
every
building.
So,
if
they're
on
a
historic
house,
everyone
knows
they
weren't
part
of
that
and
it's
distinguishing
from.
J
A
Sorry
so
the
heritage
tree
ordinance
I
think
they
I,
guess
they're
kind
of
two
aspects
of
it
that
maybe
their
discussion
one
was
that
the
the
possibility
had
been
raised,
which
I
think
was
maybe
in
the
Pasadena
California
ordinance
that
the
Preservation
Commission
would
make
determinations
with
respect
to
individual
trees
garden
trees.
Is
anybody
wish
to
express
an
opinion
on
our
involvement
in
that.
F
The
okay,
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
do
that
I
mean
I
know
when
we
look
at
like
landscaping
issues
that
there
may
be
certain
issues
that
fall
within
our
purview.
You
know
Jensen
garden
or
or
some
feature,
something
that
we
that
we
would
want
to
try
to
protect.
If
it's
in
the
that's
landmarked
or
something
but
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
deal
with
there.
You
know
the
tree
issue:
if
we
don't
I
I,
don't
know
so
I
can't
think
of
how
it
would
fall
within
our
purview.
I.
C
Some
situation
tonight
I
mean
oh,
you
know
we
had
that
18
foot
oak
tree
and
I
think
there.
There
was
a
case
of
the
owner
really
making
every
effort
to
save
the
tree.
The
question
is:
I'm
not
clear
and
I
and
I
I
know:
I
didn't
read
all
those
potential
ordinances
in
terms
of
you
know,
how
does
it
affect
the
tree
and
how
does
it
affect
the
community?
C
A
Is
a
tree
ordinate?
Let's
just
back
up,
there
is
a
tree
ordinance
in
Evanston
right
now.
There
already
is,
but
it
generally
exempts
out
in
I
mean
it
doesn't
cover
trees
on
private
residential
lots,
I
think
it's
like
under
two
acres,
and
so
it
appears
that
when
the
City
Council
passed
that
that
they
made
a
political
decision
not
to
try
to
restrict
individual
homeowners,
you
know
so,
for
example,
that
kendall
college
property
that
was
subject
to
that
tree
ordinance
and
at
the
time
the
subdivision
was
approved.
A
There
were
things
on
the
subdivision
worked
out
between
the
city
and
the
developer,
but
those
I
mean
those
are
still
in
effect,
but
there
aren't
additional
restrictions
on
that.
You
know
half
acre
a
lot,
because
the
city
made
a
policy
decision
at
that
time
not
to
cover
in
the
ordinance
individual
homeowners
lots
of
trees
within
them.
So
I
don't
know
if
the
proposal
specific,
but
the
I
mean
you
know.
Clearly,
the
the
city
may
decide
that
that
existing
ordinance
isn't
strict
enough.
A
That
should
require,
for
example,
individual
residents
to
do
mitigation
measures
even
the
cut
on
trees.
It
may
require
whatever
and
there's
some
basic
policy
decisions,
but
the
tie
in
the
direct
tying
of
the
Preservation
Commission
was
that
possibly
the
Preservation
Commission
would
be
the
party
to
decide
what
tree
you
know
what
steps
should
be
taken,
restrict
to
individual
trees
and
so
I
just
thought.
It
was
important
to
get
out
there
in
a
narrow
sense
of
our
input
that
we
didn't
feel
that
we
were
the
right
people
to
me.
A
C
The
only
place
you
can
see
it
is,
and
we're
not
going
to
be
the
ones
that
can
determine
is
a
tree
viable.
Is
it
not
in
and
I'm,
not
even
sure
you
know
other
than
oh
well,
George
Washington
planted
it
or
whatever
else,
but
even
then,
but
I
think
it's
it's
a
question
of.
How
does
it
affect
some
of
what
we
consider
landmark
properties
are.
F
F
Close
there
was
no
way
you
could
actually
put
the
garage
up.
So
the
question
is:
if
we
were
to
say
and
I'm
not
advocating
for
this
to
say:
oh
no,
that
tree
is
ax
and
then
that
takes
like
how
do
you
you
know?
How
would
you
say
that
takes
priority
over?
You
can't
build
anything
on
that
lot.
I
just
I
mean
I,
don't
you
know
that
seems
out
of
line
and
and
I
just
want
to
say
something
with
Wesley's
project
so
that
it's
great
that
they're
trying
to
save
that
tree.
It
is
an
oak.
F
It
may
survive
the
construction.
Hopefully
it
will.
Hopefully
it
will
if
it
doesn't
and
she,
but
if,
if,
if
she
had
said
I'm
just
using
this
as
an
example,
but
she
had
said
I,
this
is
really
you
know.
We
need
to
redo
this
addition
bulwa
and
we're
going
to
hope
to
save
the
tree
and
if
it,
if
it
doesn't
make
it,
then
we
would
not
say
you
couldn't
do
I,
don't
think
we'd
say
well.
You
can't
do
that
a
dish
because
of
that
particular
tree.
A
R
A
R
So
I'm
Carol
McCullough
I,
live
in
a
historic
house.
There
were,
there
is
still
a
little
house
next
to
me
in
a
garage
and
another
little
house
which
is
completely
out
of
character
for
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
It
was
recently
purchased.
It's
going
to
be
demoed
two
of
those
trees
which,
over
our
hundred
years
old,
were
cut
down
so
that
two
townhouses
could
be
built
and
a
one
and
a
half
car
garage.
A
R
F
F
Unlike
it
does,
that
has
to
go
through
city
councilors,
so
it
becomes
a
law
because
you
know
then
other
suburbs
have
menu
and
when
you
takes
a
house
down
or
whatever
you
have
to
have
a
permit
right,
and
sometimes
you
know,
and
if
you
take
a
tree
down
and
then
you
have
to
replace
it
and
kind
with
you
know,
X
number
of
trees
or
whatever
you
have
to
do
so,
but
that
seems
like
it
doesn't
so
I
don't
know.
Does
it
come
from
preservation?
It
goes
through
it.
It's
who.
R
A
L
Question
one
question:
I
have
and
I
don't
have
the
answer:
it's
just
a
hypothetical.
If
there
was
a
you
know,
somebody
was
nominee
in
the
house
as
a
landmark
and
and
one
of
the
features
of
that
home
in
its
landmark
listing
was
the
tree
like.
If
the
subject
said
you
know,
and
this
and
this-
and
this
happened
to
the
house-
and
there
is
this
enormous
tree-
I
haven't
I've,
never
seen
it
I,
don't
know
how
that
would
come
into
play
because
it's
you
know,
trees
can
live
earth
trees
can
buy
it
right.
A
A
Nothing
in
the
ordinance
there's
something
about
masses
of
landscape
or
something
it
and
I
think
we
have
in
very
rare
cases.
Look
at
that.
But
again
the
individual
trees
aren't
really
covered
by
the
ordinance
and
there
is
a
tree
ordinance,
but
it
just
you
know:
the
city
made
a
decision
to
exempt
out
individual
homeowner.
Since
the
cherry
thing.
F
P
Maybe
just
give
a
little
bit
of
background
so
that
there
is
a
referral
from
alderman
Fisk
to
look
at
a
heritage
tree
ordinance
or
the
creation
of
that.
So
we
provided
a
little
bit
information
in
the
packet
about
several
other
musicality
'z
many
types
of
ordinances
they
have
and
there
definition
of
heritage
trees,
and
we
also
as
chair
Simon
referenced,
have
included
the
city
of
Evanston
streep
reservation
wardens
in
title
seven
and-
and
this
was
stated,
there's
a
threshold
for
when
it's
included
right
now
its
subdivisions
over
two
acres
or
planned
developments.
P
So
one
option
would
be
to
change
that
threshold
and
then
just
back
to
process
has
been
referenced
from
alderman
Fisk.
So
it's
here
tonight,
it's
discussion
item
to
take
any
kind
of
input
from
the
Preservation
Commission.
Following
tonight's
meeting
it'll
be
discussed
at
the
Planning
Development
Committee
of
the
City
Council
there.
They
could
flesh
that
out
further
and
take
then
go
to
this
commission
and
either
make
changes
existing
tree
preservation-
ordinance,
for
example,
changing
that
threshold
and
making
it
applicable
to
more
properties.
Or
could
you
know,
provide
direction
to
to
come
up
with
another
ordinance?
P
F
Couldn't
we
I
don't
know
if
everybody
would
want
to,
but
could
Preservation
Commission
make
some
kind
of
recommendation
if
we
agreed
that
we
were
interested
in
in
changing
the
you
know,
the
tree
ordinance
and
having
them
look
at
properties
that
were
less
than
two
acres
and
they
could
we
said.
Does
anyone
want
to
make
a
recommendation
that
that
would
be
an
interesting
thing
to
examine,
or
does
everyone
want
to
just
stay
out
of
it
I
mean.
A
I
would
propose
her
say
two
things,
but
one
is
that,
since
it
isn't
covered
by
the
Preservation
ordinance
individual
trees,
we
certainly
would
be
supportive
of
the
idea
that
the
city
assess
whether
the
existing
you
know.
The
tree
ordinance
should
be
amended
so
as
to
potentially
cover
some
of
these
difficult.
Yes,
IIIi,
don't
think
we
can
I
mean
it's
got
said
there
all
kinds
of
choices.
The
ordinances
work
all
very
differently
from
each
other,
I
mean
some.
A
You
know
just
I
think
like
Glencoe,
for
example,
you
can
cut
down
your
tree,
but
you
have
to
do
mitigating
measures.
One
of
these,
the
ordinance
didn't
actually
had
a
land
marking
type
heritage,
tree
Otis
or
each
individual
tree
had
to
be
protected
and
you
went
through
a
process
like
you
would
to
landmark
a
home
against
the
wishes
of
the
owner
and
again,
those
are
all
very
difficult.
I.
A
F
Saying
the
general
look
at
to
see
if
something,
because
I
I
think
that,
under
that
we
would
be
looking
at,
let's
say:
there's
a
grove
of
trees
and
it's
a
landscape
feature.
There's
someone
you
know
or
in
the
Jensen.
You
know,
there's
like
only
I,
don't
know
where
those
occur
so,
but
and
that
we
want
to
protect
those
as
a
feature.
That's
an
important
landscape
feature.
F
C
Well,
the
other
thing
is
hiding
mark
I
mean
typically,
if
well,
possibly
with
the
exception
of
alterations.
It's
really
only
going
to
be
in
a
demolition
situation.
If
somebody's
coming
in
for
new
construction,
then
you
know,
then
a
tree
may
not
have
may
not
be
applicable
unless
the
process
of
putting
in
the
addition
or
the
construction
wipes
out
some
trees.
That's
what.
C
A
But
but
I
don't
think
we
want
I
mean
like
the
decision
of
which
trees
our
heritage,
trees,
I
mean
the
Pasadena
ordinance
actually
gives
the
Preservation
Commission
I.
Think
of
the
right
one
that
authority
III
would
like
to
say
we
don't
feel
equipped
to
have
any
decision-making
authority
with
respect
to
specific
trees.
It's
just
not
our
area.
This.
A
C
Worry
also
about
you
know,
even
if
we
go
into
the
private
sector,
which
I
don't
have
a
complete
problem
with
getting
into
you
know
what
size
lot,
because
you
could
have
the
small
slot
in
the
world
with
some
seriously
important
trees
or
whatever
else
so
it
shouldn't
be
associated
with
size
of
lot.
Saying,
oh
well,
if
it's
more
than
so
many
square
feet,
it's
applicable.
If
it's
not
I,
don't
think
you
can
do
that.
I
think
it
would
end
all
or
none
yeah.
R
R
F
A
To
say
that
the
City
Council
is
gonna
have
to
decide,
but
I
mean
none
of
the
ordinances
work
that
way
and
I
think
part
of
it
is
politically
homeowners.
Would
never
I
mean
when
this
ordinance
was
passed.
The
City
Council
made
a
decision
not
to
try
to
fight
individual
homeowners
on
their
trees
and
whether
again
I'm,
not
where
the
City
Council
wants
to
change
that
or
not
is
up
to
them.
I
just
don't
think
as
a
preservation
we
can
be
in
the
middle
of
that
I
mean
clearly
we
do.
A
R
C
P
B
A
Let
me
look
at
the
resources
we
have,
because
it's
I
mean
there.
It
wasn't
like
there
was
one
I
mean
it
was
like
here
are
a
whole
bunch
of
ideas
that
are
very,
very
different
from
each
other
and
so
I
think.
All
we
could
say
is
that
something
very
general
oppositely.
We
could
run
it
by
one
or
two.
You
know
other
people
or
whoever
wants
something
I'll.
Let
you
send
it
out
to
everybody:
okay,
yeah,
okay,
great.
S
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
say
just
about
my
tree,
which
is
like
a
gift
and
a
curse.
At
the
same
time,
there
are
definitely
construction
practices
that
can
help
preserve
a
tree
in
my
in
a
situation
like
mine
and
some
guidelines
along
that
I
think
would
be
very
helpful
for
people
that
are
choosing
whether
to
take
a
tree
out
or
not,
and
I
also
feel
that
their
treason
than
their
really
historic,
trees
and
they're
not
the
same
at
all
I.
S
The
only
calls
I
got
from
neighbors
about
our
project
were
if
we
were
taking
the
tree
top
when
it's
three
stories
high
and
over
300
years
old
they're,
not
that
many
of
those
and
so
for
an
individual
to
just
say,
get
a
backhoe
and
that
affects
your
entire
district.
So
I
do
think
that
any
efforts
that
the
Commission
could
do
to
help
people
not
take
trees
out
that
are
significant
to
the
neighbors.
Significant
to
our
historic
district
would
be
great
yeah.
A
We
don't
have
any
jurisdiction
over
the
trees,
but
the
ordinance
I
mean
there
are
different
orders,
but
one
of
the
ordinances
and
I
think
you
know
that
they
calling
it
heritage
tree
ordinance
says
one
of
the
ordinances
designates
the
approach
of
one
of
the
ordinances.
Does
it
take
the
largest
carrot
or
the
you
know,
most
important
heritage
trees
and
to
protect
those?
So
that's
one
approach.
A
lot
of
the
ordinances
take
very
different
approaches,
and
so
there's
a
write.
S
Are
definitely
things
you
can
do
if
you're,
anticipating
a
project
like
mine
to
protect
your
historic
tree
and
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
the
Park
District
or
this
body,
but
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
me
to
have
those
guidelines
from
somebody
without
having
to
go
figure
it
out.
On
my
own.
That's.
F
Can
I
just
say
yeah,
so
we
have
in
the
past
with
people
who
are
you
know
just
taking
a
tree
down
or
something
is
too
closer
to.
We
have
talked
about.
You
know
like
basically
sending
them
to
an
arborist
if
they
don't
know
in
terms
of
how
to
deal
with
the
foundation,
so
we
do
bring
that
up.
Right,
I
think
it's
important
for
all
of
us
to
be
sensitive
to
those
issues
as
well.
F
In
terms
of
you
know,
we
don't
we
don't
necessarily
really
always
focus
on
the
landscape
as
part
of
a
landmark
or
those,
but
I
think
some
of
those
issues
sometimes
do
come
up
so
I
think
it's
good
to
continue
to
be
sensitive
to
that,
and
but
we
usually
send
someone
if
they
haven't
been
to
an
arborist
to
take
a
look
at
the
tree.
We
talk
about
some
of
those
things
right,
we're
dealing
with
projects
because.
S
I
A
Q
I
stayed
around
because
I
want
to
just
have
a
couple
words
with
Carlos
after
the
meeting,
but
in
listening
to
this,
you
know,
I,
think
that
that
the
treatment
of
trees
should
not
be
dependent
upon
what
fractional
part
of
Evanston
a
tree
is
located.
I
think
that
that
the
jurisdiction
of
this
commission
ought
to
relate
to
the
geographic
areas
where
you
have
in.
If
there's
going
to
be
some
approach
taken
to
trees,
it
should
be
something
that
affects
the
entire
city.
That's
that's.
H
F
A
A
L
Yes,
I
worked
for
years
for
the
National
Park
Service
in
their
technical
preservation
services,
division
which
oversees
the
federal
historic
tax
credit
scene.
You
know
people
apply
on
commercial
buildings
in
that
case,
if
renovating
or
changing
structures,
as
it
applies
to
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards
and
have
a
master's
in
historic
preservation
from
Boston
University,
and
thank
you
for.
Let
me
serve.
H
B
A
F
Can
I
just
really
review
quickly?
There's
I'm,
just
reporting
on
guidelines,
so
Carlos
has
actually
entered
in
our
Elliott
Jack
and
I
many
years
ago,
put
together
guidelines
for
the
city
of
Evanston
and
a
way
to
kind
of
navigate,
to
try
to
figure
out
this
Preservation
Commission
and
what
a
citizen
of
Evanston
might
do
to
move
through
the
process
and
it's
and
Carlos
sort
of
started
this.
So
he
he
actually
put
online.
It's
not
online.
Yet,
but
it's
it's.
B
You
for
your
patience,
been
a
long
road
for
us,
so
right
now,
there's
a
couple
things
I
need
to
do.
There
are
some
links
that
I
need
to
make
sure
that
they
work
or
create
new
links
for
documents
or
information,
and
also
I
need
to
work
with
IT
to
have
the
same
font.
The
same
you
know,
look
of
the
new
page
or
pages
right
now
looks
different,
but
I
didn't
have
the
expertise
to
go
further.
So
at
some
point,
I
need
to
work
with
IT.
To
do
that.
F
Can
I
have
something
else?
Okay,
so
this
isn't.
This
is
something
that
came
up
and
I,
don't
know
if
everyone's
aware
of
it
and
I
think
I,
just
don't
I
just
want
to
bring
it
up
because
I
think
we
should
address
it
in
some
way,
and
it's
not
going
to
happen
tonight
so
I'm
just
going
to
say
because
of
the
ruling
that
from
the
lake
or
body
of
water
there's
it's
not
a
public
I,
don't
even
have
the
language
anymore,
public
view
you
in.
A
F
F
Report,
well
that
wasn't
a
proposal,
but
I
wasn't
part
of
that
group
that
actually
put
that
together
all
of
the
new
rulings,
but
it
just
seems
like
it's
something
that
we
should
I
think
we
should
address.
As
a
group,
I
did
speak
to
the
lawyer
at
the
city
and
explained
like
what
my
personal
concerns
are
for
something
like
that,
where
that
landmark
house
is
more
than
the
front
facade,
but
it's
the
whole
house.
So
if
we
have
no,
you
know
imagine
if
it
was
a
Frank,
Frank,
Lloyd,
Wright
or
something
like
that.
F
F
A
Know
why
don't
we
study
how
the
I
mean
study,
how
other
ordinances
work,
I,
don't
know?
If,
then,
the
national
standards
applied
to
this
but
I
think
we
need
to
step
back
and
see.
You
know
what
the
intent
is
and
how
it
should
work.
I
mean
I,
I'm,
I'm,
not
sure
I
mean
I,
think
it's
hard
to
say
what
should
be
changed
or
why
and
I
don't
think
we
should
sound
like
drafting
changes
or
something
until
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
issue
whose.
F
C
I
C
I
Well,
it
is
it
if
there
is
no
public
right
of
way
and
that's
even
debatable
whether
the
sidewalk
or
private,
Drive
or
lake
or
whatever,
there's
not
any
public
way,
and
it's
not
visible.
Then
it
is
not
the
purview
of
this
commission.
That's
been
the
way
it
was
written
when
the
northwestern
parking
garage,
which
was
the
impetus
I,
think
for
the
legal
ruling.
If
you
talk
to
Michelle
Mason
Cooper,
look
in
the
history,
the
Commission
denied
that
garage
several
times
based
on
its
visibility
from
not
only
the
beach
but
also
the
lake
and
northwestern
challenged.
I
It
I,
don't
know
if
it
went
to
court,
but
they
challenged
it.
The
city
made
a
firm
ruling
in
it
since
that
point
has
been
the
rule
so
like
it
or
not.
When
I
was
on
the
Commission,
we
dealt
with
this
on
several
projects,
but,
as
you
say,
if
there's
no
alley,
it's
not
visible
from
a
public
way.
Your
name,
the
neighbors,
can
certainly
comment
and
have
discussion,
but
it's
not
technically
the
perfect.
This
bodies.
I
I
think
is
you
mentioned
earlier
that
there
needs
to
be
some
examination
of
some
of
the
language
right.
There
are
pieces
in
the
revised
ordinance
that
need
to
be
looked
at
carefully
because
there
are
some,
perhaps
language,
errors
or
misinterpretations
of
that
there
are
cases
like
that
from
my
tenure
as
well
that
the
Commission
spent
a
lot
of
time
discussing
something
that
was
not
the
purview
of
the
Commission
and
I
think
was
overturned
in
the
end.
So
yeah.
L
I
don't
know
if
I'm
significant
house
like
on
landmark
houses,
something
like
that
I
know
federally.
If,
if
you
know
we
can
review
the
entire
exterior
and
the
rear
facade,
if
it
wasn't
visible,
would
you
know
we
would
give
more
leeway,
but
we
had
a
little
bit
of
jurisdiction
over
really
egregious
changes.
I
think.
A
F
Right
and
the
other
thing
that
this
is
a
question
for
Carlos,
so
I
know
that
there
are
easements
on
some
homes
and
Evanston
that
we're
not
really
privy
to
know
about
if
they
have
an
easement
from
landmark
Illinois,
where
you
actually
every
facade
is
protected
and
you
get
these.
You
know
tax
credits,
but
you
actually
it's
more.
F
It's
it's
a
y-you
know
it's
a
very
restrictive
covenant
on
every
facade,
and
so
my
question
is
when
the
Commission,
if
the
like
the
Commission,
wouldn't
know
if
they
were
reviewing
a
project
that
had
easements,
and
should
that
be
something
that,
because
we
could
find
out
I
mean
all
you
have
to
do
is
ask
landmark
Illinois
one
of
the
easements
in
Evanston
should
that
come
into
play
because
it
is
if
someone
comes
before
us
and
we
already
know
that
it's
it's
a
totally
different
set
of
rules.
It.
B
B
C
B
I
think
you
have
to
make
a
distinction
between
local
entity
work
public
entity
like
the
civil
ensign
versus
a
private
entity.
They
have
different
sets
of
rules,
so
I
think
that
if
they
can
review
real
elevations
is
because
they
have
the
program
that
is
restricting
the
applicant.
That
is
getting
their
direct
benefit.
So
if
there's
an
agreement
between
the
line
versus
Illinois
per
se
and
the
out
and
the
owner,
so
the
owner
agrees
that
they
will
do
that
and.