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A
B
Good
evening,
I'm
Jeff
Clements,
the
owner
of
the
property
at
4:13,
Grove
Street,
we're
proposing
to
put
a
6-foot
addition
on
the
rear
of
the
house.
We
were
here
last
month
and
Commission
had
some
suggestions
in
terms
of
improving
the
quality
of
the
of
the
picture
and
the
drawings,
so
that
you
could
see
in
better
detail
exactly
what
we're
planning
to
do.
B
You
can
see
the
storm
cellar
entrance,
the
wooden
stairs
to
the
left,
a
little
add-on
porch,
where
you
can
step
in
and
snow
an
unheated
space
with
the
original
door,
just
on
the
other
side,
no
windows
on
the
pantry
side
of
it
and
an
evidence
of
the
chimney
that
used
to
go
up.
I,
guess
that's
the
back
of
the
house
there
and
a
bit
of
a
hodgepodge
in
terms
of
the
overall
look
and
feel
of
the
house.
B
B
It's
40
feet
by
132
and
2
feet
fairly,
narrow
lot,
a
house
again
pretty
much
right
on
the
on
the
property
line
along
the
alley
garage
to
the
rear
parking
place
behind
our
proposal
is
to
is
to
add
the
area
in
in
black
to
the
property.
This
will
result
in
a
minor
variance
from
a
zoning
point
of
view
in
increasing
the
coverage
from
31
percent
up
to
34
percent.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
A
C
A
C
Yeah
I'll
move
that
we
approve
a
new
construction
and
demolition
for
fourteen
there
for
thirteen
gross
Street.
The
addition
of
a
single
storey
six-foot
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
home
for
a
new
kitchen
in
accordance
with
applicable
standards
for
construction,
1,
3,
7,
8,
10
and
12
through
15
and
applicable
standards
for
demolition.
One
through
six,
sir.
A
A
F
F
F
F
F
These
are
the
existing
floor
plans,
yes
of
the
interior
work
that
we
would
be
doing
okay.
So
if
you
look
I
know,
okay,
so
I'm
all
confused,
because
these
windows,
the
current
one
of
the
current
back
doors,
would
be
removed
in
these
windows
which
match
the
existing
kitchen
windows
would
be
added
from
the
South.
Excuse
me,
just
let
me
show
you
really
quickly.
F
F
On
the
South
elevation
on
the
addition,
we
are
proposing
to
remove
the
bottom
windows,
leaving
the
transom
windows
that
match
this
side
of
the
house
right
here,
and
then
this
one
storey
roofline
we're
proposing
to
raise
it
8
inches
so
that
it
matches
the
interior
ceiling
height
of
the
rest
of
the
house.
It's
at
a
slight
pitch
right
now
it
would
make
the
roof
instead
of
slight
pitched.
F
There's
nothing
to
change
on
the
north
side.
I
believe
again,
this
is
the
existing
East,
here's
the
back
door
that
we
are
proposing.
We
remove
and
it
would
be
replaced
by
Windows,
similar
windows
to
what
exists
on
the
other
sides
of
the
house
and
then
there's
the
addition
of
the
bathroom
powder
room
window
to
match
the
living
room
windows.
A
A
D
Move
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
2341,
Pioneer
Road
for
the
proposed
exterior
modifications,
including
the
existing
kitchen,
roofline
and
door
replacement,
the
existing
family
room
door
and
window
on
the
east
elevation
and
the
windows
on
the
South
elevation
applicable
standards
include
alteration
one
through
ten.
Okay.
H
A
I
K
J
J
J
I
A
A
G
J
L
H
M
G
N
A
Next
is
1805
Wesley
Avenue.
O
E
O
Okay,
so,
according
to
the
plot
of
survey
here,
it
says
two-story
residents,
but
there's
actually
a
portion
of
the
home,
which
is
only
one
story
which
is
send
back.
So
let's
go
to
the
next
slide
in
the
hatch,
where
it's
a
second-story
addition.
That's
our
proposed
structure.
That
is
an
existing,
only
first
story,
addition
and
again
it
faces
north
to
the
north,
neighbor
and
east
to
the
alley.
O
The
footprint
of
the
addition
is
just
a
hair
under
120
square
feet,
approximately
15
and
a
half
feet
on
the
north
side
and
7
feet:
9
inches
on
the
east,
so
some
photos
of
the
existing
property
in
context.
Our
addition
again
because
it
faces
north
was
kind
of
a
little
sliver
that
you
don't
see
too
much
from
the
streets.
The
sidewalk,
yes,
mostly
visible,
would
be
the
project
from
the
alley
and
the
neighbor
to
the
north
I
do
want
to
point
out
that.
O
O
So
some
looking
at
some
elevation
views
here
is
existing
conditions.
Here
is
the
one-story
addition.
It
has
a
bit
of
a
shed
roof
on
the
back
and
on
the
first
floor,
here's
again
the
first
story
addition
and
it
was
an
old
screen-
screened-in
porch,
as
we
were
told
from
a
long
long
time
ago,
and
it
may
have
had
some
windows
in
it.
These
are
boarded
over
so
they're
just
kind
of
painted
plywood.
At
this
point
with
you
know
some
old
trim
around
it.
O
We're
also
asking
to
add
a
bank
of
new
windows
taking
out
these
two
double
Hong's
and
adding
a
picture
unit
with
two
casements
for
egress
that
would
emulate
double-hung.
So
they
would
have
a
two
inch
wide
mole
spread
mole
between
and
then
as
an
improvement
to
the
first
floor.
This
is
kind
of
feeding
off
of
the
kitchen
area
we'd
like
to
propose
to
change
the
double
hung
windows
here
to
French
casements,
since
they
lead
right
out
to
the
rear
deck.
O
In
floor
plan
again,
here
is
existing
there's
nothing.
On
the
second
floor,
the
kitchen
is
on
the
first
floor,
and
this
is
our
proposed
addition
on
the
second
floor,
which
is
master
bath
for
the
proper
master
suites
doing
this
addition
allows
us
to
clean
up
some
tight
constraints
on
the
existing
second
floor
for
bathrooms
in
a
proper
laundry
again.
Here
is
the
probably
the
best
photo
to
express
the
existing
conditions,
and
here
is
the
perspective
view
of
our
addition.
O
We
are
proposing
a
flat
roof
for
this
behind
parapet,
otherwise
it
gets
a
little
gable
and
centric
and
we're
just
trying
to
keep
it
quiet
down
in
terms
of
the
windows
again
in
the
master
bedroom.
We're
proposing
the
three
windows,
a
picture
unit
in
the
middle
and
casements
to
emulate
double
Hung's
flanking
it
for
egress
and
then,
as
part
of
the
addition
proper,
would
be
this
window
here,
which
is
right
above
a
Tubbs,
so
we're
proposing
just
a
picture
unit
there
and
a
small
casement
in
the
shower
to
let
in
some
light.
O
This
is
the
window
that
we're
proposing
it's
the
exact
same
size
as
the
master
bath
below
in
the
kitchen
as
a
casement
unit
for
ease
of
operation,
and
then
we
have
two
of
these
that
were
asking
in
the
kitchen,
which
are
French
doors,
the
existing
windows.
There
are
a
few
original
windows
which
are
wood
windows
and
they
have
very
small,
divided
lights.
Those
are
present
in
the
front
of
the
house
facing
the
street.
There's
one
and.
I
O
There
are
two
gable
and
the
highest
part
of
the
gable.
They
have
this
detail
in
it,
so
we're
picking
that
up
on
the
back,
cable
and
then
some
window
details
were
looking
at
the
price
of
the
Pella
architects
series
and
in
comparison
to
the
Marvin
architects
series
in
terms
of
clad,
color
matched
and
then
as
because
the
existing
windows,
except
for
the
original
original
wood
windows,
are
clad.
Wood
windows
on
the
rest
of
the
house.
D
A
question:
did
you
do
any
iterations
or
any
modeling
of
obviously
the
gables
in
the
back,
because
I
think
the
flat
roof
really
takes
away
from
the
current
profile
of
you
know
the
roofline?
What's
there
there.
O
Were
some
studies
of
that
very
early
on
I
think
perhaps
it
was
not
finding
the
right.
You
know
which
cable
are
you
gonna
choose
the
facing
north
or
facing
east,
and
the
height
of
those
Gables
were
challenging,
challenging
not
challenging
in
terms
of
construction
but
challenging
the
height
and
the
peak
of
the
original
Gables.
So
to
try
to
keep
this
a
little
understated,
we're
keeping
it
that's
flat.
A
I
just
had
two
quick
questions.
First,
did
you
you
had
mentioned
the
neighbor
a
couple
of
times.
Have
you
talked
with
that
person
about.
A
O
I'll
go
to
the
this
back
elevation,
so
the
first
floor
is
very
tall
ceilings
and
the
existing
windows
and
the
Davin
line
around
there
are
a
8
feet.
So,
in
order
to
preserve
here
we
go
sorry
in
order
to
preserve,
trim
detail
which
is
existing
going
across
with
the
cedar.
Siding
there.
Inserting
an
8
foot
high
French
door
in
place
of
the
existing
double
hung
is
kind
of
the
quietest,
insertion
that
we
can
do.
L
O
No
that's
a
great
question,
so
it's
really
is
kind
of
driving
the
function
of
this
window
right
here
in
the
kitchen
being
above
the
kitchen
window,
and
it's
just
ease
of
opening
the
window
I
it's!
Yes,
we
could
do
a
double
hung
there.
We
thought
for
ease
of
opening
and
being
42
inches
above
or
well.
L
L
O
G
L
G
G
R
G
R
Just
seems
like
it's
making
the
this
kind
of
squared
off
edition
look
more
awkward
than
it
needs
to
okay,
and
that
I
mean
I.
Personally
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
another
revision
of
this
to
kind
of
clean
up
that
and
study
the
window
proportions
and
divisions
a
little
more
to
bring
it
more
and
more
in
keeping
with
the
rest
of
the
house
right.
G
R
D
Go
ahead
actually
add
to
when
you're
doing
I
agree
with
Ken
that
I
think
it
needs
to
have
a
little
bit
more
development,
I
think
also
to
looking
at
how
you're
gonna
detail
the
eave
at
the
roofline
and
I
mean
right
here
it
like
to
see
more
information
just
on
how
the
top
of
that
works
and
who
do
end
up
a
penis
slope
through
how
all
that
works
in
proportion
to
the
existing
eaves
and
they
seem
to
have
a
nice
overhang.
So,
okay,
how
all
that
looks
would
be
nice
to
see
that
detail
as
well.
D
A
Had
the
joinery
part
of
it
I
think
it's
gonna
be
really
important.
So
with
that,
what
we
let
what
I'm
hearing
from
everyone
is
that
we
would
like
to
take
a
look
at
this
again
next,
one
okay,
so
you
can
talk
with
Carlos
about
the
deadlines
and
whatever
specific
to
that
and
in
the
meantime,
if
we
can
have
a
motion
to
continue
this
one
to
July,
10th
I.
G
A
S
Later,
if
you
talk
hi
I'm,
Paul
Janek,
you
would
call
Janicki
architects,
and
this
is
2250
Norrington.
This
house
was
actually
at
one
time
where
the
orange
in
hotel
was
fittingly
enough
and
it
was
moved
some
time
early,
20th
century
and
if
you
could
flip
through
some
of
the
photos
Carl,
so
am
I
doing
that.
E
E
A
S
So
it's
stucco
sort
of
a
we'll
call
it
a
craftsman
with
half
timbering
gable
ends
three
dormers
stucco
top
brick
bottom
pre-standard.
As
you
see
the
porch
on
the
street
side,
they
put
in
some
double
hung
windows.
At
one
time
we
don't
know
when
that's
one
of
the
elements
we
want
to
take
out.
Take
those
rosettes
double
hung
out
and
put
the
screens
back
in.
As
you
travel
around
the
house,
you'll
see
at
some
point
after
the
house
was
moved.
S
An
addition
was
put
on
the
back
that
I
guess
you
might
call
sort
of
smart
Prairie,
ish
I
guess
was
all
stucco
had
no
brick
base
had
different
windows
at
casements,
not
double
hung
is
it's
just
sort
of
a
real
different
animal
I
have
a
growing
family
who's.
Looking
to
add
more
space,
the
house
just
doesn't
have
now
a
mud,
room,
family,
room
kitchen,
that's
usable
a
kitchen.
Now
I
was
like
you
know,
ten
by
a
or
something
like
that.
S
So
these
are
the
basic
floor
plans,
and
this
is
what
we
existing
is
on
the
left.
You
can
see
the
mud
room
on
the
bottom
right
and
then
the
addition.
So
so
so
it's
twofold
right.
We're
asking
permission
to
demolish
the
the
addition
that
was
done
at
some
point
in
the
probably
1910s
and
replace
it
with
another
addition
that
is,
takes
the
entire
breadth
of
the
rear
elevation
that
becomes
family
room/kitchen.
S
The
rest
of
the
house
remains
more
or
less
unchanged.
Upstairs
we've
got
a
master
bedroom
and
a
closets
and
baths
that
we
need
badly
attic
does
not
change.
Roofline
does
not
really
change
except
you
get
these
two
new
gable
end
forms
coming
in
and
sliding
underneath
that
dormer,
so
we
don't
lose
any
dormers,
which
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
You
can
see
the
existing
elevation
left
from
the
east
with
a
strange
little
porch
addition
that
was
also
sort
of
an
addition.
S
After
the
fact
on
the
far
left
side
and
the
right,
you
see
the
so
called
Prairie
school
piece,
our
proposal
is
on
the
right
again
we're
trying
to
we're
taking
the
same
brick
around
we're,
setting
the
addition
inside
the
the
width
of
the
existing
house
to
sort
of
reveal
so
kind
of
see
where
the
old
and
the
new
starred
the
two
Gables
slide
past
the
dormer.
There's
half
timbering
and
stucco,
just
like
there
is
on
the
rest
of
the
house
on
the
side.
S
Again,
you
see
the
same
detail
of
this
of
the
brick
plinth
with
the
steel
railings
on
the
mudroom
elevation
on
the
right,
which
is
the
change
and
there's
a
stair
that
goes
down
to
the
basement
that
you
also
see
railings
for
just
to
the
left
that
the
front
elevation
again
is
simply
taking
the
double
hung,
windows
out
and
replay
and
return
it
to
a
screen
porch.
Actually,
we
found
we'd
looked
if
closer
at
the
porch
recently,
and
we
realize
there's
a
drain
for
the
porch,
that's
integral
with
the
old
brick.
S
E
S
S
I
A
S
A
U
L
Yeah
I
guess
I,
don't
know
why
I
said
I'd.
Do
it
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
2250
Norrington
for
removing
the
existing
two-story
addition
on
the
east
side
of
the
house
and
adding
a
new
two-story
addition
to
their
same
side
of
the
house
and
I
will
say,
including
the
window,
that's
shown
on
the
rendering,
as
opposed
to
the
elevations.
L
A
B
L
G
V
V
I'll
address
this
when
we
get
to
it,
but
this
does
also
help
address
some
of
the
neighbors
concerns
that
have
been
voiced
to
staff
and
when
we
get
to
that
I
will
I
will
go
ahead
and
address
the
particular
property.
We're
looking
at
is
two
property
are
two
Lots
they're
held
in
common
ownership
and
we
are
seeking
to
place
a
six-foot
fence
around
the
property
and
then
offer
landscaping
to
help
screen
the
property
from
the
street.
V
E
V
That's
why
right
along
this
line
right
here,
there
is
an
existing
six-foot
fence
that
exists
and
goes
up
over
the
RIP
rap
rock
on
the
lakefront
as
well,
and
our
hope
is
that
we
will
be
able
to
tie
into
that
existing
six-foot
fence
area
in
order
to
create
more
of
a
front
yard.
Without
that
space.
The
front
porch
sits
about
nine
feet
from
the
property
line
and
we
don't
want
to
necessarily
crowd
the
front
porch
and
in
talks
with
the
city.
This
is
land
that
is
not
being
used
by
anyone.
V
V
I've
included
some
photos
of
the
existing
property.
This
was
that
existing
fence
that
I
was
talking
about,
which
also
has
a
lot
of
planting
behind
it,
and
it
is
on
a
higher
plane.
When
you
look
at
the
elevation,
I
mean
you
look
at
the
property's
straight
on.
This.
Is
the
side
lot
which
is
currently
empty
six
years
ago,
or
so
there
used
to
be
a
home
there,
which
has
since
been
torn
down,
and
you
can
sort
of
see
there
still
was.
This
was
where
the
curb
cut
was
for
the
old
property.
V
You
can
see
the
little
depression
they're
looking
on
around
the
property,
the
entire
East
front
borders
the
lake
and
has
the
riprap
that
runs
along
the
length
of
it.
So
there's
no
true
direct
beach
access
to
the
property,
but
there
is
instead
a
a
boat
lift
which
is
used
to
to
be
able
to
put
boats
and
jet
skis
into
the
water.
V
V
We
have
not
actually
developed
a
defense
as
of
yet
because
we're
kind
of
waiting
to
find
out
whether
we
get
the
land
from
the
city
or
not
and
where
we
place
the
property,
because
there
may
be
some
change
to
that
depending
on
how
closest
sits
to
the
house.
But
it
is
a
proposal
that
includes
a
pier
system.
There
will
be
a
gate
for
the
driveway,
and
then
this
is
the
part.
I
was
talking
about
where
we
would
have
masonry
underneath
a
wrought
iron
fence
with
the
pier
next
to
it.
V
V
We
want
to
go
with
about
an
8
foot
and
foot
hedgerow
for
the
front,
because
that
prevents
people
from
being
able
to
see
over
it
and
through
it,
and
once
we
develop
our
a
true
landscape
plan
for
the
rest
of
the
property.
Obviously,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we've
not
talked
to
the
owners
yet
is
because
until
we
decide
exactly
what
we're
doing
there,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
a
great
impact
on
their
their
views
of
the
lake.
L
V
We're
looking
at
is
where
the
neighboring
properties
have
windows
and
where
those
are
in
placement
as
to
where
the
lake
is
the
the
home
at
7:41
actually
has
a
large
window
on
the
second
story
and
the
third
story.
There
are
two
large
windows
there
and
the
first
floor
is
actually
a
garage
from
the
images
that
I
can
see.
V
I've
not
actually
walked
onto
their
property,
but
what
that
does
is
it
shows
that
they
are
elevated
above
us,
they
actually
settle
on
a
higher
on
a
higher
plane
than
we
do,
and
so
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
impeding
views
of
the
lake
along
that
line.
Obviously
we
are
not
going
to
do
any
landscaping
along
the
lakefront
itself,
because
that
would
impede
our
views
of
the
lake,
so.
V
V
A
V
V
L
V
Is
a
much
more
permanent
structure,
but
it
has
a
wrought
iron
fence
which
is
easily
seen
through
it.
Isn't
a
side
yard
which
is
a
six-foot
fence
is,
is
appropriate
for
most
side
yards
in
the
city
of
Evanston
Zoning
Board
anytime.
There
were
cases
where
we,
where
we
heard
those
sorts
of
cases.
We
approve
those
typically,
if
they
even
made
it
that
far,
because
usually
those
are
a
staff
decision,
I.
A
V
Didn't
throw
under
certainly
our
property
line
runs
right
along
this
line
here.
So
the
shaded
gray
area
is
an
area
that
we
are
seeking
to
have
vacated
by
the
city.
It's
in
the
public
right-of-way.
It
is
land
that
is
a
de
facto
front
yard
for
this
property
because
of
an
existing
fence.
That's
the
sits
there.
V
V
V
We
are
in
a
situation
where
we
want
to
purchase
the
land,
but
we're
kind
of
at
a
situation
where,
if
we
can't,
if
no
one
will
approve
a
six
foot
fence
for
us
in
the
front
yard,
that
land
is
not
as
important
to
us,
because
the
front
yard
suddenly
becomes
a
much
more
encroaching
upon
the
house
front
yard
and
if
we
were
to
put
a
six-foot
fence
here
with
vegetation
directly
across
it,
it's
literally
at
the
front
porch.
So
it's
not
something
that
that
is
we
will.
We
would
have
to
read.
V
V
L
G
V
So
basically,
so,
basically,
this
fence
exists,
as
is,
and
that's
just
that's
there-
that's
just
the
city
part
of
the
city's
part
of
the
city's
property.
That
fence
is
out
there,
there's
a
gate
right
here
and
what
we
would
seek
to
do
is
just
make
that
fence.
We
would
put
piers
at
the
end
of
that
fence
close
in
the
gate.
That's
there.
R
V
Basically,
a
six-foot
fence
is
permitted
in
the
is
permitted
inside
and
backyards,
so
the
facade
of
the
building
is
what
determines
where
your
front
yard
is.
So
anything
basically
from
here
forward
is
considered
front
yard.
Evanston
has
an
ordinance.
The
ordinance
says
that
the
the
fences
must
be
set
back,
3
feet
from
the
front
yard
or
from
the
facade
of
the
building,
so
that
would
bring
us
back
to
really.
V
Cannot
have
a
fence
in
the
front
yard
unless
you
are
on
a
type-1
street
Kedzie
is
not
a
type
1
street
type
1
streets
tend
to
be
a
little
busier
streets,
so
we
are
seeking
the
variation
to
bring
the
six-foot
fence
into
the
front
yard.
Most
of
the
time
they
allow
a
4-foot
fence,
but
we're
seeking
a
6-foot
fence
for
for
security
reasons.
I.
L
V
Is
this
is
what
we're
proposing
with
with
a
potential
tweak
to
it?
I
mean
it's
not
exactly
the
design
of
the
fence,
it
is
the
style
of
the
fence
and
and
what
word,
what
we're
seeking
is,
is
basically
a
little
permission
here
to
go
forward
with
this,
because
of
the
fact
that
that
again,
this
will
change
depending
upon
exactly
where
we
have
to
place
it
on
the
property.
There
may
be
some
tweaks
to
that
fence.
I
guess.
V
A
I
guess
my
Mike
fundamental
issue
is:
is
this
one
you
know
cooked
yet
because
it
doesn't
seem,
it
seems
like
there
are
way
too
many
what-ifs
what
if
the
City
vacates
the
land
and
you
can
tie
into
their
fence
what
you
haven't
necessarily
completed,
offense,
right
and
and
so
I
guess,
and
where
I'm
Elliot
springing
up
right
is
that
you
know
it
I'm
I'm,
not
real
comfortable
with
what
we're
approving
on
this
one.
Frankly
and.
V
V
A
X
Think
it
would
be
within
the
purview
of
the
Preservation
Commission
is
that
zoning
orange
is
currently
written
and
preservation
rules
are
currently
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
zoning
variance
portion,
the
fence,
variance
if
the
Commission
wanted
this
item
to
return.
As
far
as
the
design
I
think,
that
would
be
something
also
that
yeah.
V
A
V
A
L
M
C
V
With
the
lake
is
that
most
people
would
not
fence
that
area.
This
particular
owner
has
three
smaller
children
and
obviously
having
riprap
rock
right.
There
is
something
that
is
very
tempting
to
climb
on.
There
are
holes
to
dig
into
on.
They
do
also
have
some
dogs
that
they
don't
want
to
get
into
those
holes
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
that
is
the
idea
behind
putting
a
fence
along
that
portion
of
the
property.
R
V
A
Y
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Alexis
Euler
I
am
the
owner
of
741
Sheridan
Road,
which
has
been
referenced
as
one
of
the
neighbors
impacted
by
these
proposals.
I,
don't
have
a
whole
lot
in
you
to
add
other
than
what
is
in
the
letter
that
I
believe
mr.
Ruiz
has
shared
with
all
of
you,
but
for
only
one
here
who
hasn't
heard
it
yet
I
tried
to
go
through
their
application.
Y
Linearly
other
homes
and,
and
specifically
the
homes
that
are
referenced,
are
on
a
type-1
Street,
namely
Sheridan
Road
have
four
foot
fences.
Nobody
in
the
area
has
a
six
foot
fence
and
the
four
foot
fences
predate
the
zoning
change.
That
I
believe
happened
in
1999,
a
six
foot
fence,
while
I
fully
respect
the
new
owners
of
90
Kenzie's
desire
for
privacy
will
impact
views.
The
visual
easement
is
part
of
this
five
foot
utility
easement,
that
is
on
our
property.
It's
dated
April
14th
1950
I
am
happy
to
provide
copies
of
it.
Y
Y
Exception
was
obtained
by
the
Boyles,
the
previous
owners
for
the
boat
launch,
but
that's
the
only
exception.
That's
ever
been
granted,
and
that
was
with
the
previous
owner
that
cook's
permission
we
have
security
concerns.
The
reason
for
so
much
of
this
seems
to
be
the
new
owners
desire
for
privacy
and
safety.
Y
The
implication
is
that
people
would
be
accessing
their
property
potentially
by
trespassing
across
our
property.
We
also
have
children
and
dogs
and
I
am
interested
to
hear
what
the
explanation
is.
As
far
as
you
know,
respect
for
the
safety
of
my
family
to
their
point
about
dogs.
We
are
neighborhood,
this
wonderful
little
subdivision
doesn't
have
any
fences
currently
and
everyone
is
respected
that
we
moved
in
in
February,
we've
respected
that
we
have
kids,
we
have
dogs,
we
want
them,
kept
safe,
we're
right
on
Sheridan
Road.
Y
We
have
not
build
a
fence,
we've
put
an
electronic
fencing
for
our
dogs.
It's
worked
nobody's
running
to
the
street.
Frankly,
I've
lived
on
the
Sheridan
Road
for
13
years
prior
to
being
in
this
house,
nobody's
run
into
the
street.
My
kids
have
been
in
this
neighborhood
within
two
blocks
of
where
we
live
now
for
their
entire
lives,
so
I
need.
I
would
like
to
be
convinced
more
of
the
necessity
for
us
explint
fronts
around
this
entire
property
I.
Y
C
Y
I
have
to
I'm
working
on
getting
the
copy
from
the
Cook
County
Recorder,
but
we
have
it
in
all
the
trust
documents,
but
I
have
to
actually
get
the
full
verbiage
from
them,
and
the
previous
owners
are
also
working
on
supplying
all
of
their
background.
Information
and
history.
I
spent
some
time
at
the
Evanston
History
Center.
Today
it
is
clear
in
all
of
the
real
estate
documents
going
back
68
plus
years
that
this
easement
has
been
in
full
force.
C
Y
Y
Y
Y
T
T
The
gentlemen,
whether
you
have
ever
heard
of
our
word
vendor
in
shop-
yes,
yes,
is
a.
He
was
a
good
architect.
I
am
a
Frenchman.
I
came
to
Evanston
by
accident,
I
became
a
student
and
then
what
you
did
University
of
Chicago.
It
ended
up
owning
this
house
at
7:47,
Sheridan
Road
in
2000,
so
I've
been
living
there
for
to
tell
this
for
18
years
and
I
had
no
backyard,
so
back
around
2009
I
was
able
to
expand
the
backyard.
T
This
is
that,
because
originally
you
had
741
747
that
we
built
together
and
then
during
the
Depression,
the
owners
Swigert
of
the
original
lot,
where
you
have
all
these
houses
at
his
children
that,
were
you,
know,
overstaying
their
welcome,
so
they
their
own
match
to
move
houses
from
Michigan
straight
to
kids,
II,
and
you
had
90
kg
and
92
kg
and
then
around
several.
Yet
you
had
94
kg,
and
this
house
was
not
historical.
T
I
was
able
to
have
it
remove
and
we
have
a
bigger
backyard
and
the
goal
I
had
was
basically
to
bring
back
the
spirit
of
what
Van
Doren
show
had
in
mind.
Their
house
had
boys
inside
with
very,
very
damaged
and
I've
tried
to
bring
back
the
sensor
and
I'm.
Always
amazed
by
the
amazing
craftsmanship
that
been
enduring
show
was
doing
with
to
talk
about
the
backyard
is
the
sense
of
space
and
we
stare
a
boil
when
we
made
the
arrangement
he
would
remove.
92
kg
I
will
remove
lady
for
Kedzie.
T
It
was
always
the
understanding
that
we
would
have
this
wide
open
space,
and
here
we
are
in
the
situation
where
suddenly
I'm
going
to
have
a
compound
in
my
backyard
and
someone
who
is
fearful
if
you're,
full
I
don't
know,
but
if
she
puts
not
only
defenses
but
the
big
bushes,
they
could
be
crazy
people
inside
doing
violence,
and
we
will
not
know
because
the
bushes
we'd
dump
it
in
the
sound
and
all
that
we
are
in
Evanston.
We
are
not
in
Rolling
Meadows
and
we
have
to
just
do
you
see
my
point
of
view?
T
Yes,
I
think
Van
Doren
show
will
approve
of
that.
I
D
know
to
preserve
that
sense
of
proportion
that
sense
of
grace
and
if
we
start
putting
these
permanent
fences
and
all
these
tall
bushes
and
all
that
I
think
it's
the
beginning
of
the
end
of
the
neighborhood.
For
and
myself,
you
know:
I
love
that
section
of
history
of
America
around
between
1900
to
1925.
You
had
great
architecture,
I,
think
in
music.
You
know
you
had
in
paintings
what.
T
You
had
helper,
but
you
had
George
bellows
you.
You
had
really
the
expression
of
the
real
American
culture
that
was
beginning.
That
was
authentic.
That
was
not
monkey
here.
I
think
then
don't
show
Frank
Lloyd
Wright.
All
that
was
truly
an
expression
of
that
great
I
am
and
I
want
to
try
to
preserve
this
great.
Thank
you.
So
I
hope
you
take
this
into
consideration.
D
X
G
T
A
X
It's
up
to
the
Commission
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
zoning
variance
that
could
either
be
made
this
evening.
If
you
feel
you
have
to
appropriate
information
to
make
that
recommendation,
or
you
know
if
you
felt
that
there
was
additional
information
that
you
would
like
to
see.
This
item
could
be
continued
up
to
a
future
meeting
that
recommendation
the
zoning
variance
itself
and
when
it
gets
to
the
decision-making
body
that
the
Zoning
Administrator
in
this
case
can
be
made
to
approve,
approve
with
conditions
or
or
deny.
X
W
W
X
In
some
rates,
it's
the
location
of
the
placement
of
the
fence,
the
the
six
feet
portion
of
the
fence.
We're
zoning
warrants
requires
to
be
set
back
three
feet
from
the
front
facade
of
the
building,
so
the
portion
of
fence
along
the
side
and
rear
property
lines,
and
so,
in
this
case
that
the
east-west
and
then
South
property
lines
is
allowed.
Though
the
portion
that
is
being
requested
for
variation
would
be
the
portion
along
the
north
property
line
and
really
anything
in
front
of
three
feet.
Behind
the
front
facade
of
the
building.
C
X
A
L
C
M
A
I
C
C
C
Anyway,
we
actually
wouldn't
be
dealing
with
any
of
the
issues
right
raised
by
citizens,
because
they
they
would
they
they
actually
don't
affect
the
portion
along
Kedzie,
and
so
all
those
issues
could
simply
resolve
that.
We
would
get
the
additional
documentation
to
see
what
it
says
and
I
could
continue
to
consider.
The
issues
about
views
and
the
fence
all
around
the
property
right.
I
E
E
E
L
I
I
A
A
L
X
The
variation
request,
style
necessary,
sometimes
is
a
little
more
clear
that
way,
but
also
I
think
we
understand
the
it
must
unless
there
are
other
or
someone
wanted
to
vote
for
a
recommendation
with
the
condition
or
something
like
that.
Otherwise,
I
think
we
understand
that
the
five
opposed
were
not
in
favor
of
the
variation
and
essentially
recommended.
G
A
X
M
X
C
C
A
C
V
That
I'm
sure,
if
I,
could
make
a
request
that
the
matter
be
tabled
until
your
next
meeting.
By
that
time,
we
should
be
able
to
have
a
decision
on
zoning
and
be
able
to
get
actual
plans
put
together
or
to
give
us
time
to
talk
with
the
neighbors
instead
of
making
us,
though,
through
a
reapplication
process
on
it,.
A
V
A
C
I
A
Yeah,
if
you
could
go
ahead,
if
you
haven't
signed
in
please
do
so
and
then,
if
you
could
introduce
yourself,
okay
and
that
should
that
pertains
to
all
of
your
speakers.
N
N
We
have
a
50
by
approximately
three
three
hundred
and
thirty
foot,
Lots
very
narrow
site
that
is
vacant
currently
right
now.
These
are
some
images.
Looking
down
the
from
the
street
light
the
street
looking
down
toward
the
lake,
you
can
see
it's
against
a
50
foot
wide
lot,
so
it
has
a
narrow
characteristic
to
it.
We
are
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district,
which
does
have
multiple
sort
of
styles
within
this
district.
N
N
What
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
the
the
current
site
right
here
these
are
the
setback
lines
that
are
existing
the
home.
That
we're
proposing
is
the
dark.
Shaded
area
is
the
two-story
elements
and
the
one-story
elements
are
the
lighter
shaded
elements
which
we
also
articulated
on
the
other
buildings
that
are
in
the
neighborhood.
N
What
we're
feeling
is
that
the
building
that
we're
proposing
here
is
as
of
right,
so
that
we
are
not
asking
for
any
zoning
variations
to
the
project
the
front
entry.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
stagger
the
building,
so
the
driveway
and
the
garage
is
tucked
back
over
here.
So
it's
not
as
prominent
on
the
front.
The
front
entry
is
right
in
through
here.
This
was
a
program
requirement
from
the
owners.
They
have
two
young
children
that
we
have
a
secure
play
area
play
a
lot.
It's
a
grass
interior
courtyard.
N
Well,
that's
out
of
order.
I'll
come
back
to
these.
These
are
the
facades
and
what
we
again
tried
to
do
with
this
is
the
South
facade.
We
try
to
stagger
the
elevation
so
that
it
stepped
down
as
it
got
to
the
center.
This
is
the
courtyard
the
front.
You
can
see
that
this
is
the
portion.
That's
pushed
back.
N
This
is
the
one-story,
and
then
that
area
is
pushed
back
behind
a
balcony
and
then
we're
trying
to
create
a
series
of
solid
and
voids
using
the
windows
and
the
materials
that
are
here,
the
the
the
stucco,
the
wood,
siding
and
the
stone
so
that
it's
a
it's
a
kind
of
an
innovative
contemporary
design
that
we're
trying
to
to
utilize.
We
also
wanted
the
building
to
read
as
an
entire
structure
from
the
from
the
front
down
the
sides
along
the
back
and
along
the
north
side.
This
is
the
other
view.
N
This
is
the
rear
of
the
building.
This
is
the
north
side
again,
stepping
it
down
and
stepping
it
back.
This
area
is
where
our
air
conditioning
condensers
are
up
on
our
roof,
so
we
don't
have
them
buzzing
along
on
either
the
neighbors
sides
they're
up
above,
and
we
have
sound
attenuation
screens
up
there.
N
This
is
the
context
of
the
building
the
building
to
the
north
of
us,
and
the
buildings
even
further
north
up
here
are
a
little
bit
taller
than
us.
This
is
thirty
three
and
a
half
feet
here.
Just
this
main
spine,
that's
a
masonry
element
runs
down.
The
building
is
at
the
height
the
35
foot.
Hype
of
the
rest
of
it
starts
at
thirty
three
and
a
half
and
steps
down.
We
feel
like
we're,
trying
to
mediate
between
the
shorter
building
to
our
right
and
the
taller
building
up
in
the
front.
This
gives
you
the
streetscape.
N
These
buildings
are
all
around
36
to
38
feet
in
height.
We
then
kind
of
start
to
we're
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
building
to
the
north
of
us,
and
then
it
starts
to
step
down,
as
it
goes
further
south
and
the
floor
plans,
I'll
just
jump
back
here.
It's
the
garage
is
in
the
front,
as
I
mentioned,
the
courtyard
runs
through
it's
a
little,
a
little
more
innovative
in
terms
of
the
way
it
lays
out.
N
Yeah,
the
materials
are
stone
for
the
lower
base
here,
so
we
have
stone
along
the
lower
base.
Here
we
have
wood,
siding
that
runs
along
and
then
stucco
panels.
Again
the
wood
siding
that
runs
along
the
stone
runs
along
into
the
back
spine
back
in
through
here.
These
elements
are
stucco
as
well.
So
again,
it's
a
it's
a
kind
of
more
of
an
interlocking
kind
of
elements
of
materials
to
try
to
break
up
the
facades.
L
D
I
think
we're
all
considered,
obviously
the
standard
14
of
the
innovative
design
standard.
However,
with
that
in
mind,
there
are
some
questions,
some
concerns
of
mine,
at
least
on
clarity
of
the
the
scale
and
the
proportions
and
relation
to
the
context.
The
site
context
around
it
it'd
be
nice
to
to
know
the
rendering
if
there
was
a
way
to
add
some
color,
so
we
can
see
how
it
relates
to
the
building's
adjacent
and
the
materials
relate.
D
You
mentioned
that
they're
stone
and
they're
stucco,
but
you
know
what
color
are
those
elements
and
how
did
they
relate
to
the
area?
The
building's
adjacent,
in
my
opinion,
I,
think
that
we
have
had
conversations
on
these
types
of
designs
before
successfully
I.
Think
I
think
that
this
design
I'm
sure
you
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
doing
it
I
think
that
it
needs
to
have
some
adjustments
or
modifications
to
the
scale
to
to
reflect
a
little
bit
more
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
just
my
opinion.
Okay,.
A
K
Me
that's
okay,
I
blend
into
the
Gehry
shoemaker
I'm,
the
shoemaker
design
associates
I've
been
brought
onto
this
project
as
a
preservation
consultant
based
on
my
experience
and
longevity
with
the
city.
Are
my
work
with
this
body
as
well.
I
wanted
to
address
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
you
just
pointed
to
in
terms
of
materials,
this
house
is
dolomitic
limestone,
it
is
seam
faced.
K
It
is
a
very
common
material
throughout
Evans
than
specifically
in
this
neighborhood,
so
the
use
of
traditional
materials
in
a
modern
or
innovative,
as
the
standards
now
say
context
we
believe,
is
very
appropriate.
We've
walked
up
and
down
this
block.
We've
walked
around
Lake
Shore
Boulevard,
like
Shore
historic
district
I,
know
this
district
quite
well
as
I.
Think
you
guys
all
do
the
use
of
smooth
face.
Stucco
is
also
a
common
material
throughout
instant
throughout
this
neighborhood.
There
are
houses
on
this
very
block
that
make
use
of
that
material.
K
The
cedar
siding,
which
is
being
used
as
a
weather
material
on
this
house,
will
create
a
very
buff
and
easy
simple
palette
on
this
house.
A
lot
of
the
homes
that
are
stucco
and
they're
light
stone
feature
very
similar
palette.
So
to
answer
your
question
in
terms
of
colors
and
tones,
this
is
a
very
neutral
house.
K
Fred
news
team
worked
very
hard.
One
of
the
things
that
the
client
has
asked
very
specifically,
is
if
this
house
be
open
the
airy
and
be
light
in
order
to
address
your
your
comments
about
scale
and
proportion,
we
did
spend
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
the
scale
of
the
windows
in
this
neighborhood.
Almost
every
one
of
these
houses
in
this
neighborhood
very
rightly
takes
advantage
of
near
full-height,
casement
windows,
vertical
windows,
to
accent
the
height
of
some
of
the
more
significant
buildings.
K
Fred's
point
is
correct
of
the
houses
on
this
block.
I
think
this
is
probably
the
fourth
shortest
building.
It
would
be
probably
the
only
one
on
the
block
that
doesn't
feature
a
third
floor,
the
exception
of
maybe
a
couple
of
the
1960s
1970s
houses
a
bit
farther
to
the
south.
So
in
terms
of
scale,
this
house
has
done
a
great
deal
to
stay
below
the
average
height.
Many
of
these
houses
predate
this
ordinance
or
zoning,
which
now
limits
our
maximum
height
to
35
feet
so
in
terms
of
proportion,
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time.
K
Looking
at
that,
I
think
as
you
walk
up
and
down
that
that
neighborhood
you'll
see
that
the
proportion
of
the
windows
vertical
and
horizontal
are
common.
A
lot
of
the
the
solariums
sunrooms
screen,
porches
and
greenhouses
feature
very
similar
fenestration
on
them.
So
it's
not
an
uncommon
methodology
to
apply
to
a
house
of
this
scale.
So
a.
D
K
All
been
to
the
site:
we've
all
walk
the
neighborhood,
so
we're
familiar
with
that.
There's
an
all-glass
greenhouse
across
the
street
and
down
it's
not
uncommon,
to
see.
Bands
of
glass
I.
Think
if
you
look
also
the
even
the
1960's
and
1970's
homes,
adjacent
featured
gangs
of
tall
horizontal
windows
that
have
been
used
to
break
up
these
facades,
but
I
think
I.
K
G
E
G
L
That's
really
not
the
case
when
you
come
across
with
something
straight
across
with
a
relatively
flat
facade,
and
then
we
get
into
number
two
proportion
of
the
facades
relationship
of
the
width
to
the
height
visually,
compatible
with
property
structures
and
so
on.
Twitch,
it's
visually
related
and
I'm.
Not
seeing
that
here,
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I'm
a
you
know
you
can
respond
to
it.
I
guess,
I'll
go
through
a
proportion
of
the
openings
is
another
one
yeah
you
made
the
comment.
I
think
it
was
Gary
actually
about
the
windows.
L
Being
similar
but
I'm,
looking
at
those
long
strip,
windows
on
this
proposed
facade
and
I'm,
not
really
seeing
that
kind
of
window
proportion
and-
and
this
isn't
the
perfect
drawing-
but
it's
still
good
enough
to
make
the
point
that
I'm
not
seeing
that
at
all.
Now
we
get
in
the
rhythm
of
solids
two
voids
in
the
facade
and
again
those
very
large
openings
and
the
kind
of
rhythm
that
we
get
and
everything
starting
at
the
left
end
and
working
its
way.
Southward.
L
You
know
I'm
just
going
through
these
things,
the
rhythm
of
spacing
and
structures
on
the
street
that
one's
a
little
tricky
rhythm
of
entrances.
This
is
number
six
entrances,
porches
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
storefront
Reese
relationship
of
entrances
and
other
projections
there's
a
very
different
character
to
the
kinds
of
entries
we
see
on
most
of
these
other
houses
than
we're
seeing
here,
relationship
of
materials
and
texture.
L
That's
really
tricky
because
most
of
those
seem
to
have
a
predominant
material.
And
here
we
have
I,
don't
remember
how
many
materials
you
just
described,
but
there
were
at
least
five
four
to
five
cedar:
stonework
stucco
I
mean
glass
and
we're
not
going
to
get
into
your
fascia
materials
and
all
the
rest.
So
that
seems
a
lot
more
than
what
I'm
seeing
their
roof
shapes.
L
Well,
what
can
I
say?
That's
certainly
number
eight
walls
of
continuity.
One
can
always
argue
what
does
that
mean?
There
is
some
continuity
when
we
look
at
the
plan
in
terms
of
your
you've
respected
the
setback.
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
always
an
issue
previously,
how
far
you
were
going
to
the
lake
and
so
on.
You've
put
you
sort
of
squeeze
that
in
whether
we're
still
there
or
not
scale
of
structure.
This
is
a
very
different
scale
than
the
others
in
many
respects.
I
think
it's.
You
know
it.
L
L
I'm
not
sure,
but
but
I
think
you
know
there
is
that
horizontality
there,
but
a
lot
of
the
others
appear
to
be
much
more
vertical
than
horizontal,
and
we
look
at
this
elevation
and
I
think
we
have
to
respect
the
idea
that
innovative
design
is
something
so
you
mentioned
that
you
know
so
I
think
that's
a
separate
issue
and
and
and
I'll
just
stop
there
but
I'm.
Looking
at
these
criteria
and
I'm,
just
not
finding
that
we've
really
met.
What
our
are
actually
today
is
is
today
the
first
day
of
the
new
standards.
C
I'm
gonna
disagree
with
I,
mean
I,
think
the
first
of
all
I
mean
if
you
walk
down
this
street,
the
houses
are
incredibly
different
from
each
other.
It
would
be
impossible
to
build
new
construction
that
was
compatible
with
with
the
majority
of
the
houses
I
mean.
The
two
houses
to
the
south
are
very
modern,
looking
very
beautiful
ranch-style
houses,
which
could
be
in
a
subdivision
in
Northfield
the
house.
C
There's
there
several
older
about
half
the
houses
on
both
sides
of
the
street
are
older
houses
that
are,
you
know
a
little
more
typical
for
Evanston
I,
don't
know
what
the
age
is,
but
you
know
more
I'll
like
each
other.
The
house
that
is
to
to
the
north
is
this
far
more
massive
Mediterranean
house
that
I
kind
of
proved
I
mean
it's
it's
far
more
massive
than
this
one.
It
literally
would
be
impossible
design
a
house
that
is
compatible
with
the
features
of
the
surrounding
houses.
I
mean
this.
This
is
new
construction.
C
We've
approved
other
new
construction
projects,
realizing
it's
virtually
impossible
for
new
construction
to
match
the
historic
neighborhood
and
we
certainly
have
not
applied
the
standards
to
require
only
new
construction
that
harkens
back
to
make
it
look
like
older
homes,
be
approved,
I
mean
we
approved
recently
another.
You
know
much
more
modern
home
than
this,
so
you
know
I
think
the
questions
about
whether
particular
features
could
be
modified
to
be
more
compatible
and
scale.
C
I
think
are
very
legitimate,
but
I
think
to
turn
down
a
house
and
the
fact
that
it's
different
than
the
surrounding
houses,
which
are
incredibly
different
than
each
other
you
would
have
to
you-
would
turn
down
every
single
house
on
that
basis
and,
secondly,
I
think
new
construction
is
inherently
going
to
look
different
than
a
hundred-year-old
house
and
and
we've
never
required
otherwise,
and
plus
these
houses
are
all
so
dramatically
different
than
each
other.
An
age
style
proportion
that
it
would
be
impossible
to
apply
those
standards.
I
mean
this
is
a
block.
C
L
L
L
C
Is
no
commonality
between
the
houses
on
the
sides
of
it,
so
how
could
it
have
commonality
with
several
the
houses?
If
they're,
you
know
dramatically
different
ages
and
styles
already
I
mean
it's,
you
know
there
is
no
commonality
there
to
start
with
on
it.
But
it's
a
it's
a
it's!
A
block
of
about
half
houses.
R
Reservations
can
mean
I,
guess
I'm
more
with
Eliot
I
think
the
materia
that
the
key
things
I
think
are
the
materiality
and
I
do
think
it's
perhaps
too
busy
compared
to
the
more
understated
pallet
of
materials
that
most
of
the
houses
have
not
to
say
you
have
to
match
exactly
what's
there,
but
something
a
little
more
toned
down,
perhaps
on
the
front,
is
appropriate.
I
am
concerned
about
the
height
I.
Think
I
do
agree
with
Eliot
that
this
presentation
is
somewhat
misleading.
R
To
show
how
high
up
the
second
floor
of
this
new
house
is
set
relative
to
everything
else
on
the
block
it
it
fits
under
the
height
only
because
your
second
floor
ceiling
is
a
flat
roof
and
it's
equal
to
the
pitch
of
all
the
sloped
roofs
which
are
capturing
a
third
floor.
So
I
do
think
that,
even
though,
in
this
line
drawing
it
looks
similar
in
height,
it
would
be
perceived
as
much
taller
than
everything
else
on
the
block
and
I
and
I.
G
M
I
think
one
thing
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
this
lot
in
particular,
is
I,
think
pretty
challenging,
given
the
it's
the
narrowest
slot,
I
believe
on
the
block,
so
I
think
everybody
has
to
keep
that
in
mind.
You
know
the
reason
that
it's
I
think
shaped.
The
way
it
is
is
that
that's
maximizes
the
space
they
have,
but
it
does
sort
of
create
this
shipping
container,
looking
I'm,
not
an
architect,
so
that's
the
best
I
can
do
sorry,
but
III
appreciate
it.
L
Began
looking
at
your
point,
but
when
you
look
at
the
second
floor
of
the
house
to
the
to
the
north
and
you
realize
where
that
floor
line
is
relatively
speaking
and
even
that
wall
height,
it
is
really
a
taller
house
that,
if
it
had
you
know,
mark
you
don't
have
to
put
that
other
roof
on
it.
But
if
you
did
you'd
suddenly
realize
it
would
be
a
45
foot
tall
house.
So
I
think
you
know
it
sort
of
solves
the
problem,
but
not
in
the
way
that
we're
looking
at
it.
L
Like
almost
the
gutter
line
and
some
of
those
and
and
I
agree
with
what
was
just
said
about
you
know,
it
is
a
difficult
lot
because
of
it,
you're
forced
to
go
east-west
rather
than
north-south.
Most
of
these
houses
are
really
oriented,
with
the
exception
of
that
strange
Spanish
house,
that
nobody
knows
how
it
ever
got
approved,
but
it's
right.
I
D
Soozee
go
ahead,
so
I
think
I.
D
Think
we've
all
appreciate
the
innovative
design
and
I
think
that
that's
within
the
proof
you
know
it's
within
the
range
of
standard
14,
so
I
think
my
request
would
be
that
you
guys
maybe
relook
at
the
proportions
of
the
front.
Facade
I
agree
with
Ken
that
the
rear
facades
are
less
of
the
concern
and
we
understand
the
size
in
the
scale
and
that
you
need
to
maximize
a
lot.
But
my
request
would
be
that.
D
Maybe
it's
looked
at
again
for
the
front
and
the
relationship
to
the
adjacent
properties
in
regards
to
materiality
color
and
proportion
and
I
am
no
way
saying
that
you
can't
have
an
innovative
design.
Obviously,
I
think
that
it's
it's
something
that
is
welcome
in
evanston
in
context,
but
I
do
think
that
it
has
to
have
relationship
and
I
think
that
this
maybe
needs
to
have
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
be
brought
a
little
bit
further
to
show
that
relationship
to
the
context.
L
X
L
N
I
think
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
that
this
spine
right
here
runs
through
the
house,
so
that
that's
what
this
element
becomes
and
then
comes
out
the
back
and
then
what
we
were
looking
at
is
that
areas
like
this
become
a
solid
and
then
that
becomes
a
void.
So
we're
trying
to
play
off
of
that,
and
the
idea
was
also
to
try
to
create
a
building.
That
was
whole.
N
That
was
all
one
type
of
language
that
if
we
were
I
felt
like
where
we
were
going
down,
the
other
Road
was
we
kind
of
had
almost
like
a
billboard
at
the
front,
and
then
it
sort
of
evolved
into
something
different
in
the
back,
and
we
felt
as
a
purity
or
the
architecture
of
a
language.
We
felt
that
this
was
a
more
appropriate
direction
to
head
in
terms
of
maintaining
consistent
style
so
that
it
wasn't
a
confused
language.
L
A
much
clearer
statement
I
mean
if
you're
saying
look,
these
are
rectangles
working
their
way
back,
you
know,
do
you
need
all
of
this
embellishment
I
mean
pretty
soon,
whatever
I
always
use
the
term
grammar.
You
know
and
there's
this
language
and
there's
a
grammar
and
I,
don't
know
what
language
we're
speaking
here
anymore,
because
there's
so
much
going
on.
It's
like
you
know
we're
gonna.
Do
this
little
bit
here
and
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
comes
from,
because
it's
not
part
of
this.
L
N
We
were
trying
to
just
break
it
up
from
being
a
monolithic
mass
that
we
we
felt,
that
we
wanted
to
have
some
diversity
and
we
felt
like
it
wasn't
a
heavily
ornamented
building,
so
we
were
doing
it
just
with
plains
of
material.
So
we
felt
again
to
be
consistent
with
the
language
we
weren't,
relying
on
cornice
lines
and
moldings,
and
such
we
felt
it
was
more
about
composition
and
materiality
literally
again
and
I.
N
L
We're
given
all
this
solid
void,
stuff,
even
the
simplest
chipboard
model
you
know
granted,
it
would
have
lost
some
of
this,
but
it
would
have
helped
a
hell
of
a
lot
because
then,
a
lot
of
the
points
you're
trying
to
make
would
be
a
lot
clearer.
You
know
we're
not
reading
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
is
in
this
room
and
some
of
us,
our
architects
and
they're
supposed
to
be
able
to
read
it
we're
not
really
reading.
A
I
think
it
gets
what
I
think
it
gets
back
to
is
something
that
you
adventures
early
on
and
that
the
goal
was
really
to
achieve
kind
of
an
airy
feel
throughout
that
and
I
to
me,
this
facade
just
doesn't
say,
doesn't
conform
with
what
you
were
trying
to
achieve
with
the
rest
of
the
design
on
round
the
house
and
I
agree
with
everybody
else
in
terms
of
looking
at
a
modern
design
for
this
location,
that's
really
not
an
issue,
but
I.
Just
don't
think
this
particular
facade
necessarily
reflects
what
else
is
going
on.
Yes,
so.
A
Z
Z
You
know
we
talked
about
this
before
and
I
think
Elliott
brought
it
up
just
at
the
very
end.
Here
is
the
last
time
we
were
going
through
this
exercise.
The
committee
had
instructed
the
applicants
to
do
a
3d
model
that
was
going
back
almost
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
ago,
and
after
that
request
was
made,
the
the
applicant
would
table
the
table
table
on
the
table
and
I
don't
think
that
ever
came
to
fruition.
Z
Z
Z
Do
remember
that
Carlos
made
a
talk
to
the
previous
zoning
boss,
but
any
event
I
have
that
still
here
today
and
we
would
like
to
be
afforded
the
opportunity
to
have
our
architect
take
a
look
at
all
this,
so
we
have
a
reasonable
way
of
looking
at
this.
You
know
we
got.
You
know
a
little
postcard
in
the
mail
with
a
one-inch
rendering
you
know
five
days
before
this,
and
then
we
got
to
see
the
plans
three
days.
So
we
really
haven't
had
the
amount
of
time
to
you
know.
A
Q
U
U
So
we
always
knew
that
something
would
be
built
there
and
we
have
no
objections
to
anything
being
built
there.
Certainly,
the
owners
of
that
property
have
the
right
to
build
something,
but
my
feeling
is
that
in
as
far
as
the
renderings
or
drawings
or
modeling,
that
we've
been
presented
with
it's
very
difficult
to
get
a
sense
of
the
massing
of
that
house
in
relationship
to
the
neighboring
properties
and
I
think
that,
as
other
people
have
mentioned
tonight,
being
able
to
look
at
the
massing
in
a
little
better
way.
U
Given
you
know
the
capabilities
that
we
have
for
3d,
modeling
and
rendering
or
a
chipboard
model,
a
little
foam
core,
something
you
know
would
really
go
a
long
way
to
giving
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
this
and
its
relationship
to
the
neighbors
I
again.
I
have
nothing
against
contemporary
design,
but
I
do
feel
that
the
scale
and
sensitivity
to
the
other
properties
is
out
of
line
with
the
unique
nature
of
this
street.
As
a
commons,
where.
A
AA
We
I
kind
of
feel
like
this
is
deja
vu
all
over
again.
We
were
here
two
years
ago
with
a
different
plan.
I
think
there
were
three
separate
presentations
to
this
body
and
all
of
which
raised
objections
concerning
massing
height
setback
and,
frankly,
while
we
have
a
different
plan
here,
it
really
doesn't
meet
those
basic
issues
that
were
addressed
that
we
raised
them
setback.
There
is
a
race
to
the
lake
going
on
here.
AA
The
we
as
a
neighborhood
met
with
the
Sabo's
and
asked
passionately
would
that
they
align
their
property,
the
back
setback
with
the
line
across
the
back,
and
that
was
in
response
to
a
a
plan
that
pushed
it
out
15
to
20
feet
where
the
cantilever
and
we're
seeing
the
same
thing
here
if
they
have
not
met
that
projection
height
is
a
major
major
issue.
Our
house,
at
nine
eleven,
is
a
one
and
a
half
story
house.
AA
I
AA
We
go
go
one
more,
thank
you
for
all
the.
For
all
intents
and
purposes,
this
is
a
two
and
a
half
storey
house,
because
the
basement
comes
up
at
least
it
by
my
of
you
for
four
to
five
feet
from
the
grade
level.
You
then
have
two
stories
of
what
I
understand
to
be
a
ten
to
eleven
foot
ceilings.
To
take
you
up
to
35
feet,
our
house
is
26
feet,
it
will
dwarf
our
house
and
we
find
that
very
troublesome.
AA
A
third
issue
is
the
height
of
the
house
in
relation
to
the
back
where
it,
the
objective
of
the
applicant,
is
to
live
on
the
second
floor
and
have
an
expansive
view
of
the
lake,
but
they're
gonna
take
is
an
expansive
view
of
our
backyard,
which
is
stealing
our
privacy.
We
don't
care,
we
would
like
we
like
our
view
of
the
lake,
and
we
would
like
them
to
have
a
nice
view
of
the
lake,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
our
privacy.
AA
There's
another
issue,
and
that
is
the
grade.
There
was
by
the
developer,
who
originally
took
down
the
the
home
that
was
there.
They
brought
in
an
artificial
landfill
and
raised
the
grade
toward
the
back
of
the
property
by
three
feet.
We
can
bring
you
in
enjoy
the
joy,
the
photographs
and
so
any,
unfortunately,.
AA
Just
telling
you
the
facts,
I'm
just
giving
you
the
facts,
and
so
there's
when
they
talk
about
hi
to
hide
from
where
that's
the
point
is
it
the
height
from
the
back,
where
it's
already
been
elevated.
Three
feet
is
the
height
from
the
front,
or
is
it
the
height
from
the
street
I'd
like
to
see
any
measurement
of
height
back
to
the
three
dimensional
issue,
I'd
like
to
see
the
difference
between
the
heights
of
the
top
of
the
peak
of
our
house
to
the
top
of
the
peak
over
here?
AA
What
is
that
difference
going
to
be?
We
don't
know
these
drawings.
Don't
don't
illustrate
that
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
other
two
owners
have
asked
for
time
to
take
a
look
at
this
I
think
we
should
have
a
time
to
take
a
look
at
this.
We
have
an
architect
that
we
would
like
to
bring
in.
Oh
we've
only
had
three
days
notice
that
she
could
not
be
here
tonight.
We
don't
I.
AA
A
What
I
was
hearing
from
folks-
and
you
can
tell
me
if
this
is
the
case-
is
that
we
would
like
to
see
this
one
again,
particularly
some
of
the
issues
specifically
to
the
facade
Gary.
Did
you
have
something
you
understood,
yeah,
I,
think
in
general?
What
I'm
hearing
from
the
commissioners
is
that
they
would
like
to
see
this
again,
given
some
of
the
concerns
specifically
about
the
front
facade
issues.
A
K
I'd
like
to
take
just
a
moment
to
address
a
couple
of
things
that
came
up
here,
so
I'm
Elliott
up
well,
I
respect
your
comments
about
the
roof
slope
I've
been
on
that
side
of
the
dais.
When
we've
had
that
conversation
before.
If
you,
if
you
look
at
the
way
this
property
is
sited,
it
was
specifically
pushed
back
and
staggered
so
that
it
does
terrace
back.
We
believe
much
like
all
the
other
properties
which
offered
generous
front
yards
and
clear,
unobstructed
views
of
these
facades
house
does
much
the
same
by
stepping
back
and
tapering
up.
K
So
our
contention
would
be
that
from
the
street
view,
this
would
taper
back
and
it
would
appear
in
fact
lower
or
at
least
the
same
height
as
the
adjacent
properties.
So
well,
while
I
understand
your
position,
I
would
disagree
with
how
the
house
would
be
perceived
in
there.
I
understand
the
concerns
of
this
body.
However,
we've
we
worked
long
and
hard
with
this
client,
Fred
and
Fred,
and
his
team
have
worked
for
a
very
long
time
to
get
this
project
to
where
it
is.
It
has
been
reimagined
several
times.
K
K
That's
but
the
the
floor,
Heights
aren't
is
you
had
had
analyzed
them
from
the
larger
elevation.
Great
care
has
been
taken
to
keep
the
to
keep
this
house
proportionally
in
context
and
in
and
in
alignment
with
these.
However,
the
direction
of
the
client
to
Fred
and
when
we
became
involved
is
it
they
really
do
want
a
contemporary
and
innovative
structure
they
want.
They
want
what
we
have
designed
for
them.
K
While
I
understand
the
concerns
of
this,
we
believe
that
we've
addressed
each
of
the
standards
carefully.
We've
evaluated
the
community
we've
evaluated
the
neighborhood
we've
taken
into
consideration
comments
of
at
least
two
iterations
of
this
body,
because
I
think
some
of
you
are
seeing
this
for
the
first
time,
I'm
not
mistaken.
So.
K
That
is
correct.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
This
is
a
new
project.
While
we
appreciate
all
that,
we
would
like
to
ask
for
a
vote
tonight,
we're
not
interested.
We
are
not
asking
for
this
to
be
tabled.
We
would
like
a
vote.
Also
we'd,
like
you,
we'd,
like
someone
to
make
a
motion
for
this
one
this
evening.
Okay,.
C
K
E
L
Well,
I'm
just
curious
because
there
there
was
reference
by
by
the
neighbors
that
they
seem
to
have
not.
You
know
that
they
didn't
seem
to
hand
the
opportunity
first
I,
don't
know
whether
they
would
have
responded
any
differently
or
whether
there
would
have
been
other
information
that
would
have
been
of
use
to
us.
I
mean
we
got
it.
What
Friday
yeah
Thursday
Thursday
Thursday,
so.
L
It
came
to
anybody
else.
You
know
in
the
previous
iteration
the
previous
iterations
of
this.
You
know
there
was
more
time
only
because
it
came
back
and
it
was
a
lot
more
discussion
in
the
periods
in
between
I,
real
and
I
agree
with
Diane
that
this
is
theoretically
those
don't
matter
anymore
or
those
don't
exist,
except
in
whatever
is
left
in
our
brains.
So
I
think
it's.
It's
really
problematic
to
be
making
this
kind
of
decision
here
and
and
if
there
is
45
I,
don't
know
when
the
45
day
clock
begins.
I
M
I
I
C
Well,
I'm
not
saying
they
have
to
do
it,
but
I'm
saying
are
we
and
what
do
we
feel
that
we
might
be
in
I
mean
I
I?
Think
probably
everybody
felt
there
were
some
things
about
it,
yeah
that
needed
to
be
changed
right.
So
then
I
guess.
The
question
is:
is
this
a
project
where
we
feel
that
it
might
be
productive
than
the
modify
the
plan
and
it's
worth
their
time
I
mean
that
they
can
always
not
do
it,
but
just
well
I
guess
that's
a
question
for
us.
A
A
L
W
W
It's
it's
a
beautiful
design
who
wouldn't
want
to
live
there,
but
it
is
enormous
and
I
just
have
to
address
the
point
of
when
someone
said
that
this
is
what
somebody
would
want
to
put
here,
that
no
one
would
want
to
put
a
house
like,
what's
already
on
the
street
and
the
developer
that
tore
down
the
two
Lots
on
that
state.
He
indeed
did
have
two
beautiful
designs
of
a
little
bit
more
traditional
style
homes.
For
that
lot
they
were
not
as
massive.
They
did
not
consume
the
entire
a
lot.
W
They
did
not
push
back
beyond
the
neighbors.
They
did
not
restrict
other
other
neighbors
views
of
the
lake.
They
were
extremely
appropriate
for
the
for
the
lot
one,
the
guy
left
home
and
the
other
one
something
happened,
but
he
did
have
two
architectural
and
beautiful
house
designs
of
large
homes.
On
that
property,
so
this
is
not
the
only
thing
that
can
go
there.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
W
C
X
It
was
referencing
to
a
date
certificate
of
appropriateness,
see
reviewed
by
the
Commission
one
estates,
Commission
shall
review
the
application
and
vote
to
issue
or
denied
application
within
45
days
following
receipt
of
the
application.
It's
time
to
consider,
the
application
may
be
extended
with
the
consent
of
the
applicant
and
then
goes
on
from
there.
So
I
think.
At
least
in
that
section.
The
consent
of
the
applicant
is
the
language
there.
That
I
think
we
would
seek.
M
K
I
could
make
it
if
I
could
make
a
suggestion
having
been
in
this
position
before,
with
other
larger
clients
who
have
come
to
this
body.
I
would
recommend
if,
and
it
seems
that
you're
probably
not
unanimously
and
or
largely
in
favor
of
approving
this,
the
motion
should
be
to
deny
it
and
make
your
recommendations
for
consideration
by
the
owner.
The
owner
does
not
give
consent
to
table
this
or
to
extend
it.
L
L
K
Son
as
as
Scott
noted
in
as
Tim
just
mentioned,
they
can
make
you
can
make
suggestions
or
recommendations
for
it
when
it
were
to
come
back,
but
to
be
clear
this
this
particular
application.
While
this
project
is
entirely
new
and
not
a
rehashing
of
ones
that
we've
seen
before
it
is
a
third
I
believe,
perhaps
fourth,
continuation
of
the
same
application
for
the
same
site,
the
same
general
presentment.
A
K
G
Y
A
K
L
A
K
L
A
D
A
M
K
We
would
like
a
listing
of
which
standards
the
commissioners
believe
this
project
does
not
meet,
as
it
will
be
appealed
to
say,
Council
sure.
Okay,
thank
you
sure.
I
D
L
D
E
A
E
A
A
U
A
A
One
of
the
things
that
came
up-
and
this
was
this
regards
actually
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
on
the
temporary
meeting
chair
this
sort
of
came
up
because
I'm
gonna
be
gone
for
the
November
meeting
and
can
maybe
in
at
the
hospital
so
with
a
new
baby.
So
we'll
need
to
there's
a
likelihood.
We'll
need
to
have
I
have
a
temporary
chair
there,
and
you
know
what
it's
a
good
thing
to
be
able
to
address
that
issue
anyway,
so
so
mark
keep
that
November
meeting
date
open,
okay
and
then.
M
I
A
E
A
X
With
this,
this
was
a
referral
from
the
city
council,
referral
to
the
plan
Commission
to
make
changes
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
a
text
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
dealing
with
the
portion
of
the
zoning
ordinance
that
deals
with
referrals
to
the
Preservation
Commission
for
recommendation,
as
we
discussed
earlier
this
evening
on
a
couple
of
the
items.
X
The
intent
of
the
referral
was
that
there
are
some
items
that
the
Preservation
Commission
allows,
or
delegate
staff
to
make
a
to
approve
certificates
appropriateness
for
so
for
those
items.
The
referral
was
intended
that
those
items
would
not
come
before
the
Preservation
Commission
for
recommendation
of
the
zoning
variance
or
the
fence
variance,
because
the
Commission
would
normally
not
see
those
items
as
as
within
their
and
your
rules
and
procedures
have
have
delegated
staff,
the
ability
to
issue
certificates
of
appropriateness
so,
for
example,
something
and
I'm
a
hundred
percent.
X
But
I
think
this
is
hitting
her
in
here.
Rules,
there's
a
patio
or
something
in
the
rear,
and
it's
it's
you
know
just
paving
area.
Let's
say
that's
something
that
that
staff
could
issue
the
circular
appropriateness
for,
but
that
patio
would
increase
the
the
lot
coverage
you
know
from
28
to
31
percent.
It
would
require
a
variance.
X
The
intent
of
the
referral
was
that,
instead
of
that,
coming
before
preservation
only
for
recommendation
on
the
variation
where
it
normally
would
not
just
for
the
work
itself
that
that
instead
would
would
not
come
before
preservation
and
so
staff
would
have
the
ability
to
incorporate
staff
viewpoint
and
into
any
kind
of
variation
that
would
go
before
either
the
Zoning
Administrator
or
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
depending
on
those.
So
the
the
way
the
zoning
ordinance
is
worded.
X
Really
did
the
changes
and
those
are
including
the
memo,
and
this
was
referred
to
the
plan
Commission.
So
it's
on
their
agenda
for
tomorrow
night
actually
to
consider
these
changes.
The
fence
variation
is
the
only
item.
That's
really
a
separate
and
distinct
type
of
variation
within
the
zoning,
ordinance
and
and
those
are
offenses
or
items
and
the
rules
that
that
staff
has
the
ability
to
issue
certificates
appropriateness
for
so
the
the
substantive
changes,
because
we
also
took
out
the
reference
to
the
1975
preservation,
ordinance,
which
we've
seemed
about
time
for
that.
A
X
X
A
X
G
A
A
Just
two
other
quick
things
that
I
wanted
to
mention:
these
are
more
general
preservation
thing.
The
landmarks
Illinois
annual
meeting
is
on
the
night
of
June
25th
and
then
the
other
thing
that
is
really
pretty
exciting
and
I
think
that
I
mentioned
this
to
start
Scott
and
Carlos
when
governor
rauner
signs
a
budget
and
a
week
or
so
ago.
As
part
of
that,
there
is
now
a
state
historic
tax
credit
which
is
really
just
such
great
news
and
I
think
there
are
going
to
be
some
just
based
on
the
criteria.
A
I
think
there
are
some
opportunities
for
some
things
here
in
Evanston,
as
well
as
statewide
to
happen,
and
there
are
some
criteria
associated
with
it,
but
it's
really
very
exciting
because,
frankly,
we've
been
added
at
a
disadvantage
for
many
years
in
terms
of
reuse
projects,
so
any
other
things
that
people
want
to
bring
up
folks
want
to
share.
Okay
with
that
Oh.
Can
we
get
a
motion
to
adjourn.