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A
Nobody
against
thank
you.
Okay,
we
have
a
quorum
of
seven
commissioners,
for
the
meeting
are
the
first
order
of
business
is
well
I'm.
Sorry,
one
one
thing:
first,
if
anybody
in
the
audience
plans
on
speaking
on
any
of
the
issues
tonight,
if
you
could
please
sign
in
the
signup
sheet
up
on
the
lectern,
only.
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D
A
E
Good
evening,
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Rajiv
gajala
I'm,
the
senior
project
manager
of
the
city
of
Evanston.
As
you
may
know,
we've
been
working
on
the
streetlight
master
plan
over
a
year
at
a
couple
of
public
meetings.
We
had
a
steering
committee
meeting,
we're
here
to
present
our
findings
and
recommendations
to
you
tonight
with
me.
I
have
my
cur.
Is
the
executive
vice
president
of
Christopher
Burke
engineering,
the
help
that
helped
us
completing
this
project
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him
for
the
presentation.
F
Brief
timeline
of
what
we've
been
up
to
we've
had
five
steering
committees
meetings,
Eliot
was
on
the
committee
in
September
of
last
year.
We
did
light
readings
on
existing
light
poles
throughout
the
city
we
issued
our
existing
conditions.
Report
in
October
had
our
first
public
meeting
in
November
of
last
year.
About
a
year
ago,
then,
December
of
last
year,
Union
metal,
who
manufactures
the
all
the
light
poles
and
luminaires
in
town,
went
out
of
business,
so
that
threw
us
for
a
little
loop.
So
we
had
to
explore
some
alternate
technology.
F
Did
a
few
additional
existing
conditions,
light
level
readings
performed
two
surveys,
one.
We
asked
the
Northwest
municipal
conference
what
other
municipalities
were
doing
with
lighting
and
the
second
one
is
resident
survey
asking
about
the
current
lighting
conditions
around
town,
and
then
we
had
our
last
public
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago,
which
was
fairly
well
attended
and
went
very
well
so
review
the
community
survey
over
700
people
responded.
F
The
majority
of
the
people
felt
that
the
streets
that
we
gave
them
to
look
at
were
too
dark.
We
sent
a
map
out
with
three
major
streets:
three
collector
streets
through
your
local
roads,
the
lakefront
path
several
intersections
and
then
finally,
we
ask
people
about
their
block
all
the
streets.
We
asked
people
to
look
at
we're
on
different
ranges
of
luminance,
so
we
gave
them
a
full
range
to
look
at,
but
in
every
case
they
basically
said
they
were
too
dark.
F
So
some
of
the
existing
conditions,
the
city
of
Evanston
lighting
standards,
are
less
than
the
illumination
national
standards
and
when
I
referenced
this
city
of
Evanston
current
standards,
it's
from
the
1979
study,
the
lighting
levels
around
town
that
we
took
hand
readings,
definitely
don't
generally
do
not
meet
either
standard
tree.
Canopies
impede
the
lighting
levels,
the
power
centers,
the
things
that
power,
the
lights
there's
a
hundred
and
seven
of
them
in
town.
The
good
news
is
they're
in
fairly
good
condition
and
well-maintained.
F
F
Some
of
our
recommendations
that
came
from
those
existing
conditions
is
there's
too
many
different
types
of
lights.
We
need
to
try
to
standardize
equipment,
so
the
new
developments
come
in.
New
projects
are
undertaken
that
the
architects
and
engineers
know
where
to
start
the
intent
of
the
study
isn't
to
replace
everything
it
exists
just
to
provide
some
standards
moving
forward
for
how
we
replace
knockdowns
and
approach
new
projects.
F
Led
luminaires
should
be
used
going
forward,
all
the
existing
most
of
the
existing
lights
in
town.
All
the
talmadge
are
induction
lighting.
Currently
we're
recommending
LEDs
moving
forward
replicas
tomé,
it's
full
cutoff
LED
luminaires
should
be
used
that
our
dark
sky
friendly
in
a
couple
of
slides
I'll,
show
you
an
example
of
that.
F
The
city's
light
installation
policies
are
Ceaser's
are
well
defined
and
should
remain
pretty
well
thought
out.
The
recommended
spacing
between
trees
and
poles.
If,
given
the
opportunity,
should
be
25
feet
in
the
ordinance
there's
a
zero
foot
candle
requirement
at
the
line
and
that
should
remain
and
finally,
the
city
should
look
at
smart
metering.
F
So
we
looked
at
alternate
technology.
We
looked
at
luminaires
temperature
of
the
lighting
optics
and
lens
types
up
there
on
this
screen
you
can
see
to
the
left
are
three
retrofit
options
for
the
existing
tonnages.
These
would
all
be
LED
fixtures
that
we
placed
in
the
talmadge
luminaire
as
a
new
light
source
to
replace
the
induction
lighting.
The
problem
with
all
of
them
is
they
shoot
light
out
and
up
so
there
have
a
significant
amount
of
glare
and
up
lighting
and
are
not
dark
sky
compliant
to
the
right.
F
The
wattages
would
vary
slightly.
The
color
temperature
on
all
the
rule
lights
were
recommending.
Are
three
thousand
or
less,
which
is
the
blueness
or
hotness
of
the
light?
The
higher
the
number
the
wider
bluer
it
is,
and
the
lower
the
number
the
warmer
oranger
it
is?
The
optics
would
be
type
three
generally
which
allow
for
that
zero
foot-candle
with
the
lot
line.
The
optics
are
such
that
it's
kind
of
a
flat
line
at
the
back
of
the
fixture,
but
then
it
projects
out
to
the
street
in
the
front.
F
We
generally
use
those
slightly
higher
than
the
lowest
end
of
the
city
of
Evanston
standard
and
slightly
lower
than
the
higher
end
of
the
national
standard
to
get
kind
of
a
mid-range
lighting
level,
and
we
provide
a
range
in
all
cases,
so
that
staff
would
have
the
ability
to
make
the
decision.
Most
of
these
won't
be
used
that
often,
but
at
the
very
top,
their
roadways,
local.
F
F
So
we
developed
some
standard
for
each
type
of
roadway
light.
This
is
the
Devon
arm
roadway
lighting
unit,
there's
about
16
heard
of
them
in
town.
These
are
what
was
put
up
at
Emerson
Ridge
Green
Bay
accepted
at
Emerson,
Ridge,
Green
Bay.
Those
are
4000
Kelvin,
so
they're
a
little
wider
than
what
we're
recommending.
They
were
also
put
up
at
Fountain
Square.
Those
are
3000,
so
it's
it's.
The
same
pole
that
was
put
up
at
Fountain,
Square
mounting
height,
would
be
25
to
30
feet
with
an
eight-foot
arm.
They
can
accommodate
banner
arms
outlets.
F
F
The
big
poll
in
town
is
the
Tallmadge
lighting
unit.
There's
forty
two
hundred
of
these
in
town
under
there
abouts
the
pull
itself.
As
I
said,
Union
metal
is
out
of
business.
So
next
year
the
city
will
be
undertaking
RFP
writing
an
RFP
to
get
alternate
manufacturers
to
develop
identical
Tallmadge
poles
to
meet
the
original
design.
The
luminaire
would
be
as
I
discussed.
It
would
be
a
full
cut
off
luminaire
with
LEDs
in
the
top
less
than
three
thousand
K
type.
Three
optics.
F
We
picked
a
Sternberg
fixture,
but
obviously
any
equal
would
be
suitable.
So
the
request
for
proposals
that
the
see
is
developing
will
ask
different
manufacturers
to
meet
these
specifications,
and
these
would
be
used
on
primarily
local
streets
or
in
combination
with
roadway
poles
on
collector
or
major
roadways.
F
There's
a
variety
of
other
lights
upper
left
is
the
park
pathway
lighting
unit.
We
proposed
moving
forward
with
the
same
type
of
lights
that
currently
exists
only
LED
for
parking
lots
recommending
the
shoebox
lighting
unit,
which
is
what
is
generally
used
in
the
city
and
then
the
wall
pack
lighting
units
are
used
in
underpasses,
tunnels,
around
transit,
etc.
F
So,
as
far
as
prioritizing
lighting
improvements,
there's
no
plan
to
replace
all
the
lights
in
town
doing
so
would
be
60
to
80
million
dollars.
Depending
on
how
you
decide
to
move
forward,
even
upgrading
the
lights
on
one
of
those
hundred
and
seven
power,
centers
is
upwards
of
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Full
replacement
of
a
system
with
new
lights
is
a
million,
so
the
budget
for
lighting
in
the
city
is
about
150
thousand,
so
the
goal
would
be
adopt.
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G
There
were
two
of
us
that
were
on
this
group
and
I.
Think
I
think
you
all
get
the
impression
and
it's
true
that
they
were
very,
very
thorough
and
in
in
the
entire
process
we
really
and
I
was
surprised
how
many
people
never
went
to
see
the
mock-ups
and
so
I'm
most
of
them.
Well,
the
ones
near
me
were
in
South
Evanston
right.
G
I
even
found
people
who
lived
on
Seward
I
had
to
tell
him
that
there
were
the
mock-ups
on
their
block.
You
know
like
why:
don't
you
go
down
to
the
corner
there's
a
light.
There
I'd
seen
it
before
they
had,
but
I
think
people
eventually
got
around
to
seeing
these
things,
and
it
was
very
useful
for
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
they
could
see
the
differences
pretty
clearly
and
I.
Think
the
one
part
that's
important
for
everybody
to
realize
is
that
there's
no
money.
Nobody
knows
when
any
of
these
are
going
to
be
implemented.
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A
J
Right
so
the
the
history
is,
we
moved
into
the
house
a
year
ago.
It
didn't
have
a
garage.
The
previous
owners
had
sought
and
received
a
permit
for
the
location
of
the
very
back
of
the
yard,
and
when
we
started
working
on
that,
we
realized
it
would
kill
the
garden,
and
it
has
a
very,
very
long
driveway.
So
we
thought
it
would
be
intelligent
to
try
and
move
it
a
bit
forward
so
that
we
could
create
a
larger
garden.
J
Have
less
paved
space
have
more
green
space,
but
this
is
when
we
encountered
that
that
needed
a
variation
at
first.
We
thought
we
would
accept
just
giving
up
in
the
way
to
the
back
of
the
garden.
So
we
sought
that
permit.
When
we
started
to
map
it
out,
we
discovered
it
took
up
even
more
space
than
we
realized
that
completely
the
the
folks
before
so
it
paved
a
part
of
the
garden,
and
we
didn't
realize
how
very
little
green
space
would
be
left.
So
we
sought
the
the
variance
to
move
it
forward.
J
It
was
an
issue
for
us
when
we
were
buying
the
house
and
we
believe
it
would
be
attractive
and
in
keeping
with
the
historical
nature
of
the
house.
So
that's
that's.
Why
we're
seeking
the
the
variance
we
don't
expect
to
build
in
the
approved
location
if,
if
we
don't
receive
approval,
so
we
would
probably.
We
would,
however,
to
still
be
approved
trying
to
get
the
fence
move
forward
and
we
might,
as
only
as
is
permitted,
and
only
as
allowed
use
a
temporary
structure
during
the
winter
to
to
put
the
cars
of
the
snow.
J
J
J
It's
that
pointer,
thank
you.
So
that's
the
proposed
location
and
the
permitted
location
is
back
here
and
right
now,
there's
a
fence
here
and
we're
proposing
to
move
it
so
that
it's
adjacent
to
the
garage
allowing
the
dog
much
more
run
room
back
here,
and
also
that
we
could
build
out
the
garden
and
and
I
think
you.
You
all
probably
understand
plans
better
than
me.
J
That's
of
course,
the
street,
and
this
is
the
front
front
facing
porch
the
garage
itself,
we're
looking
for
something
somewhat
simple,
but
we
plan
to
decorate
it
in
the
same
way
as
the
house
and
wanted
to
do
some
a
stained
glass
window
in
the
in
the
little
octagonal
window
that
will
be
facing
out
toward
the
street.
So
this
is
the
3d
rendering
of
how
it
would
look.
So
it's
set
back
a
little
bit
from
the
front
of
the
property
and
would
be
painted
in
a
similar
fashion.
J
J
J
Right,
so
the
zoning
variation
that's
being
sought
has
to
do
with
this,
this
location,
so
first
that
it's
in
a
side
yard.
Our
neighborhood
has
no
alley.
So
everyone's
garages
are
inside
yards
if
they
exist
or
if
they're
a
corner
unit,
they
were
able
to
get
them
into
the
back.
So
if
we
had
an
alley,
we
would
of
course
have
just
just
gone
there,
and
then
we
wouldn't
be
even
thinking
about
it.
J
So
the
being
in
a
side
yard
is
one
element
of
the
variation
that
we
sought
and
in
the
distance
from
this
dimension
of
the
house
is
five
feet
instead
of
10
feet.
So
that's
the
other
aspect
of
it
we
have
proposed.
We
could
move
it
a
little
bit
more
forward
if
that's
a
grave
concern,
if
it's
a
fire
safety
issue
or
something
of
that
sort,
so
that
those
are
the
two
elements
of
the
variation
that
we're
seeking.
J
Know,
I
didn't
I,
didn't
I
duct
to
the
the
required
elements
of
the
of
the
application,
but
the
so
the
house
on
this
side
has
its
garage
on
this
Lane,
its
side
yard
there.
The
house
next
to
us
is
a
modern
built
house
and
it's
garage
is
part
of
it
facing
toward
the
front,
and
the
house
on
the
corner
has
a
garage
in
its
side
yard
as
well,
so
it
so.
It's
really
only
about
one
block.
The
houses
across
the
street
I
believe
have
an
alleyway,
so
they
don't
have
that
that
need.
K
For
me,
I
really
do
think
you
needed
to
cite
the
other
house
and
it
looks
like
we're.
I,
don't
know
they're
from
the
photographs
or
the
other
excuse.
Me
may
be
specific.
The
house
adjacent
to
your
lot,
because
you're
really
making
an
argument
that
is
against
the
zoning
where
you're
like
bringing
it
forward.
It's
five
feet
away
from
the
house.
I
can't
tell
about
the
tree
situation
and
what's
happening
with
the
trees,
because
in
the
existing
photograph
it
looks
like
from
the
front
of
the
house.
J
There,
so
this
large
tree
would
not
be
coming
down.
The
garage
would
be
in
front
of
it
and
by
how
far
away
from
that
tree
lines
up,
it
is
right
in
front
of
the
fence.
So
let
me
get
to
the
so
the
that
that
tree
is
right
here,
so
it
would
not
affect
that
tree.
That
was
that
was
one
of
the
requirements.
There's
no
other
trees
along
here
yeah,
it's
in
back
of
the
proposed
location
yeah.
K
Now
I
mean
but
I'm,
just
saying
in
terms
of
my
like
looking
at
this
I
would
be
looking
at
the
neighborhood
where
the
garage
is
where
the
house
is,
you
don't
have
those
documents
so
I
also
know
this
is
a
Dan
Lee
garage
uh-huh,
so
I
know
that
something
about
how
those
are
built
and
what
they
look
like,
and
even
if
you
know
it's
gonna,
the
discussion
is
that
it
would
look
like
the
house.
It's
probably
the
detailing,
won't
be
the
same
exactly
so
I'm
and
I'm
concerned
that
it's
only
five
feet
away
and
I'm.
K
J
The
and
I'm
very
new
to
all
this,
so
that's
probably
why
I
didn't
know
to
put
in
the
neighborhood
pictures
I
also
would
be
very
happy
to.
We
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
the
Builder
we've,
the
the
way
we
build
the
garage,
the
use
of
ornament
I,
wasn't
sure
if
that'd
be
seen
as
a
plus
or
a
minus.
J
J
G
J
J
G
G
I
know
you
wanted
some
type
of
ornamentation,
but
that
octagonal
window
seems
to
not
be
part
of
any
element
in
your
existing
house,
and
it's
just
one
of
these
things
that
you
unhappily
see
in
you
know
available
in
every
lumberyard
you
walk
into
as
if,
let's
slap
it
on
your
house
and
it
suddenly
magically
becomes
a
Victorian
with
or
without
trim
and
I.
It
doesn't
relate
to
anything.
That's
there
I,
you
know,
I,
think
some!
You
know
conventional
double
hung
window.
G
If
anything
would
have
made
more
sense,
you
know
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
lighting
up
there
anyway
and
then
you
told
us
that
it's
going
to
be
stained-glass
supplied
by
owner
as
I
believe
what
it
implies
and
I'm
just
not
I,
don't
know
how
the
other
people
feel
about
it,
but
I.
Just
don't
see
the
need
for
it,
let
alone
the
appropriateness
of
that
element
at
all
Julie
you're
concerned
about
whether
the
siding
is
gonna
match
the
siding
and.
J
I
I
C
I
And
I
apologize.
If
you
have
already
commented
this,
you
had
showed
us
the
plan
where
the
garage
was
previously
approved
in
the
back
of
the
lot,
and
then
you
want
to
move
it
out.
Can
you
just
maybe
reiterate
and
clarify
why
you
chose
to
move
it
up
as
opposed
to
I
know
you
had
said
you
wanted
a
fenced-in
yard
and
that
kind
of
stuff
is
there
reason
why
you
couldn't
build
it
in
the
back
where
it
was
previously
approved.
Part.
J
Of
it,
you
know
once
when
they
started,
we
actually
started
to
stake
it
out
in
the
approved
location
and
that's
what
we
discovered
that
this
plat
of
survey
from
2007
missus.
They
had
built
a
patio
here,
so
we
we
misunderstood.
What
we
were
looking
at
the
garage
would
come
right
up
onto
the
patio
and
it
was.
It
leaves
about
two
patches
of
grass,
so
it
just
it
completely
ate
up
the
garden
once
we
understood
what
we
were
looking
at
there.
A
A
B
A
Guess
I
prefer
to
see
I
mean
I,
understand
the
functional
reasons
why
the
garage
next
to
the
house
would
you
know,
take
up
lots
of
the
back
yard,
take
up
a
lot
less
snow
plowing
as
somebody
who
has
a
garage
in
the
back
corner.
I'd
put
this
like,
but
I
guess
I'm
concerned
about
approving
without
actually
seeing
if
I
mean
having
the
garage
up
next
to
the
house
is
a
can
a
major
visual
feature.
That's
incredibly
noticeable
and
I.
Guess
I'd
like
to
see
that
it
is
consistent
with
other
garages
in
the
neighborhood.
M
Several
years
ago,
the
Commission
did
approve
a
garage
to
be
moved
forward.
It's
at
the
northeast
corner
of
Church
and
Wesley
the
garage
you
can
see
the
garage
it
the
house
to
the
east
looks
out
onto
that
garage
I
would
suggest
if
you
with
the
question
you're
asking
about,
because
this
is
to
that
point-
that
you
go
look
at
that
particular
house
to
see
how
that
affects
the
the
the
whole
setting
and
that's
that's
all
I
had
thank.
C
N
Think
I'm
sort
of
like
when
I
first
saw
the
rendering
I
was
like.
Oh,
this
looks
fine.
This
looks
good,
but
then
the
more
I
started
thinking
about
I'm
like
oh
damn,
the
garage
bad
20,
but
you
know
I
mean,
like
I,
think
it's.
It's
really
tricky
to
put
something
right
next
to
your
house
like
that,
especially
a
danly
garage
which
are
like
more
or
less
always
done
kind
of
very
mediocre,
very,
almost
like
an
eyesore,
so
I'd
be
real,
even
for
you,
I'd
be
really
cautious
about
letting
Dan
Lee.
N
Stick
crappy
garage
right
next
to
your
gorgeous
multi,
no
expensive
house!
So
be
beware!
You
know
if
you're
gonna
do
that
at
least
do
it
with
somebody
who's
got
a
really
good
attention
to
detail
and
really
knows
what
they're
doing
I
don't
know.
If
I
would
let
Dan
Lee
do
it?
Next,
to
my
you
know,
over
a
million
dollar
house.
G
That's
the
realtor
speaking
I
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
dump
on
Dan
Lee,
even
if
I
might
have
dumped
on
Dan
Lee.
If
I
had
fair
brothers
because
I'm
not
sure,
that's
really
the
issue,
you
know
I
think
there's
ways
to
deal
with
it
even
with
these
kind
of
builders,
depending
on
how
you
write
the
specs,
otherwise
you'll
get
me
some
night
siding
and
gotten
those
two
by
sixes
at
24,
inches
and
whatever
else
but
I.
G
G
You
know
to
say
it's
only
five
feet
from
the
corner
and
even
if
you
look
at
that
site
plan,
you
begin
to
get
an
idea
of
the
impact
and
I
think
that's
really
the
issue
here
and
and
we're
how
it
impacts
the
neighbors
as
well,
which
I
think
is
what
everybody
else
wants
to
see
where
it
is.
Have
you
tried?
G
J
G
L
K
K
K
C
Is
that
minor
variation?
So
he
goes
to
the
Zoning
Administrator
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
I
guess,
the
question
is
where
the
applica
will
be
willing
to.
If
we
continued
the
application,
if
the
applicant
would
be
willing
to
come
back
for
our
next
meeting
with
contextual
photos
showing
whether
there
are
similar
garages
in
close
proximity
and
then
also
potentially
meeting
some
of
the
the
more
stylistic
objections
as
some
members
of
voice.
A
J
A
J
A
C
P
Yourself
hi,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Matthew
CARICOM
in
director
TEKT
for
the
proposed
project
at
1308.
I
apologize
a
little
bit
under
the
weather,
so
at
first
I
want
to
thank
mr.
Ruiz
for
Ava's
assistance
on
this.
This
project
has
come
in
front
of
you
at
a
earlier
version
about
a
year
ago.
Those
owners
did
that
work
and
then
went
in
sold
it
to
my
new
client.
So
it's
coming
back
to
you,
but
with
different
owners.
The
original
project
took
the
Italianate
cottage
that
was
built
in
1879
and
we
updated
the
front
porches
built.
P
We
believe
in
the
1970s
and
we
updated
the
we
hope,
improved
the
front
porch
and
then
added
new
windows
and
this
project
my
client
Jeff
Glenn.
They
bought
the
house
back
in
September
and
young
family.
They
would
like
to
see
if
we
could
add
on
a
little
mudroom
and
screened-in
porch
and
the
rear
part
of
the
property.
You
know
I
explained
to
them
the
necessity
for
this
process
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
project
and
of
the
house.
P
P
The
addition
is
the
existing
residences.
Here
we
have
a
garage
that
we
added
during
the
previous
middle
and
then
our
addition
is
here.
We
have
a
one-story,
enclosed,
mudroom,
that's
connected
to
the
house
and
then
a
one-story
screened
porch
with
stairs
off
to
the
back
above
the
the
one-story
addition
is
a
rooftop
deck
that
is
accessed
from
the
master
bedroom,
and
this
is
the
original
site
plan,
so
that
and
then
I'll
go
back
to
where
the
addition
is
I'm.
Sorry,
these
are
in
backwards
order.
P
So
let
me
rush
to
the
front
start:
here's
our
existing
floor
plan,
the
addition
you'll
see,
will
end
up
in
this
rear
part
elm
ideas
over
here
we
have
our
kitchen
and
the
garages
in
their
rear.
Here.
This
is
the
second
floor.
The
addition
will
have
a
rooftop
deck
here.
You'll
see
the
program.
We're
proposing
is
a
small
little
mudroom
attached
to
the
side
in
the
rear.
P
That's
somewhat
obscured
from
the
street
view
with
this
existing
Bay
and
then
a
screened-in
porch
with
our
stairs
off
the
back,
and
then
this
is
the
deck
off
that
over
the
first
floor
addition
that's
accessible
from
the
master
bedroom.
The
existing
front
elevation
is
here
and
then
you'll
see.
This
is
its
impact
on
the
front
elevation.
P
This
addition
here
from
the
North
elevation
existing
here
and
then
our
addition
across
the
rear
back
and
then
from
the
rear
again
existing
with
our
addition,
we'll
have
screens
of
glass
and
then
a
railing
across
the
addition
at
the
screened
porch.
This
is
an
existing
open
porch.
This
is
the
Porsche
we
added
and
here's
our
addition.
P
Here's
the
proposed
with
the
addition
looking
from
the
street.
This
is
from
some
with
the
alley
of
course,
it'd
be
obscured
from
the
with
the
garage.
Our
addition
here
with
the
screen,
porch
deck
above
from
Dempster,
see
a
little
bit
of
the
addition
here
and
then
this
is
from
the
north.
P
This
is
our
existing
elevation
as
it
exists
now
from
the
front,
the
back.
This
is
looking
from
Dempster
and
then
from
the
side
yard.
Looking
off
of
my
towards
the
side
of
the
North
elevation,
all
the
materials,
all
the
details,
the
columns
would
replicate
exactly
what
we
did
to
the
previous
project.
A
G
You
know
you're
starting
to
see
these
much
shorter
windows
and
that
entire
band
that
we
see
here,
at
least
in
this
rendering,
where
your
you
know
your
guardrail,
is,
has
really
been
established
by
where
you
wanted
the
floor,
you
know
probably
stepping
down
six
inches
and
some
very
thick
floor
framing
and
all
the
rest
so
that
everything
got
squished
down.
Can
you
go
around
to
the
other
side
out
of
sheets
in
your
elevations?
Well,
yeah.
Wait
go
back
unless
that's
already
there
that
deck
already
exists
just.
G
Or
already
exists,
that's
correct!
Yeah!
That's
you
know,
that's
another
one!
Well,
that's
a
different
set
of
proportions.
There
seems
to
be
all
these
different
proportion
windows
that
seem
to
be
a
result
of
all
these
individual
efforts
that
were
done
separately
and
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
much
you
can
do.
That
seems
to
be
an
excessively
thick
band,
that
we
see
above
the
screened,
porch
I'm,
not
quite
sure.
What's
going
on
there,
you
know
and
when
I
compare
it
to
the
bay
and
everywhere
else,
the.
G
P
That
when
you
do
a
flat
roof
deck,
you
have
your
deck
construction
and
that
roof
pitches,
and
then,
when
you
build
on
top
of
that,
your
deck
at
the
end
has
to
be
at
a
nominal
thickness
and
then
it
tapers
back
so
you're,
not
doubling,
but
you
are
creating
a
heavier
band.
You
are
correct
to
maintain.
Well.
G
G
G
P
P
P
A
A
A
D
D
I
did
thank
you
yeah,
so
I
I'm
not
very
familiar
with
the
project
because
she
was
starting
to
managing
it
so,
but
that
that's
why
I
will
really
to
keep
the
wording
the
description,
what
we
do
and
the
questions
guys
we
can
ask
our
architect,
so
the
roof
structure
is
deteriorated
and
needs
to
be
your
place.
There's
a
habitable
space
and
the
Attic
level
with
existing
bathroom
would
suggest
to
replace
the
roof
structure.
Q
Q
H
D
Q
This
is
proposed
elevation.
All
elements
of
existing
facade
remains
including
the
materials
at
present.
The
building
is
in
a
very
bad
shape,
so
it
needs
to
be
repaired.
Anyways
from
outside
and
inside.
So
following
the
wishes
of
the
owner,
we
lifted
the
roof,
enlarge
the
existing
dormer
and
all
other
elements
of
the
house
are
left
intact.
Q
The
reason
why
the
owner
insisted
on
changing
the
roofline,
or
rather
lifting
it
is
because
the
existing
Rivlin
space
in
the
Attic,
including
the
existing
bathroom,
is
low.
The
structure
made
of
two
by
six
need
to
be
replaced.
The
additional
insulation
needs
to
be
installed
and
the
existing
space
will
become
unlivable.
Q
Q
A
K
So
I
just
have
a
quote:
it
isn't
the
proposed
North
elevation,
the
small?
If
you,
the
2
dormers
on
the
back,
they
they're
Eve
I'm,
just
confused
by
the
drawing
there.
Eve
would
not
aligned
with
the
dormer
on
the
front
because
they're,
smaller
and
the
pitch
is
different.
So
I'm
just
wondering
like.
Is
there
something
wrong
with
the
North
elevation
because
are
the
same
but
ignored.
G
K
C
G
H
O
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
G
Q
G
Q
G
G
Q
G
Q
H
K
Just
have
so
how
much
bigger
is
the
new
dormer
on
the
front
of
that
I'm
just
concerned
about
that
batter
on
the
front
of
the
house?
The
new
dormer
that
you're
putting
on
is
so
much
bigger
than
the
existing
one.
So
can
you
tell
us
compared
to
the
existing
dormer?
Do
you
know
how
much
bigger
it
is?
You
tell
us.
K
And
tall
this
much
talk,
this
goes
to
the
ridge
of
the
new
roof
that
you're
raising
and
the
other
one
was
actually
sitting
on
the
below
the
ridge
and
the
other,
and
the
slope
was
different.
So
that's
the
thing
that
I'm
I
guess
because
it's
a
landmark
house,
that's
the
thing
that
concerns
me,
not
the
rare
but
the
front.
N
A
Yeah
I
mean
Carlos,
has
some
just
you
know
passed
out.
You
know
a
few
just
the
statement
of
significance
when
the
house
was
landmarked
sighting
that
it's
a
simple,
well
proportioned
crisply
detailed,
two
and
a
half
story
house
designed
by
an
important
architectural
partnership,
and
they
go
on
to
describe
the
different
stories
and
the
you
know.
A
The
ordinance
requires
that
every
reasonable
effort
be
made
to
maintain
the
appearance
of
historic
structure
and
I
mean
I'll
defer
to
the
architects,
but
the
you
know
the
essence
of
the
architecture
seems
to
me
in
the
existing
architecture
that
second
floor
is
kind
of
in
our
a
band
of
you
know
very
horizontal
and
it
to
me.
It
really
substantially
changes
the
appearance
of
a
landmark
home
and
takes
away
that
horizontality
in
a
way
that
I
think
the
ordinance
really
provides
that
we
shouldn't
approve
era
of
the
the
architects
particularly
feel
that
its
architectural
matter
that's.
G
I
I
agree
with
you,
I
I
think
it's
really
that
change
in
the
height,
but
you
suddenly
have
all
of
this
additional
siding
above
the
windows
and
and
I'm
not
sure
that
change.
Even
if
the
windows
were
changed,
it
would
probably
even
extend
accent
that,
even
more
than
you
know
your
point
about
being
horizontal
mark
and
then
the
increase
in
size
of
the
door.
More
changes,
everything
you
know
beyond
that.
Other
issue:
I'm
not
even
sure
what
the
end
elevations
will
look
like,
because
they're
suddenly
gonna
be
really
tall.
G
G
G
H
K
I
I
Q
I
G
Think
it
would
be
problematic,
I
mean
that's
my
personal
opinion,
without
seeing
what
he's
proposing
or
what
he
might
propose,
because
I
think
it
started
out
with
this
everything
being
horizontal,
as
a
couple
of
people
have
said,
with
trying
to
basically
under
state
that
dormer
originally
as
being
a
fairly
small
element,
the
minute
you
virtually
doubled
it
in
size,
it
becomes
the
major
element
on
the
roof.
I
think
if
we
go
to
either
of
those
proposed
elevations
or
proposed
schemes,
you
start
to
see
it.
G
I
A
It
was
and
clearly
you're
free
to
just
do
the
repairs
without
modifying
the
facade
and
the
height
of
the
roof.
Beyond
that,
I
think
you'd
have
to
come
back
and
present.
Something
I
mean
I.
Think
what
you're
hearing
from
several
commissioners
is
in
terms
of,
if
you're
going
to
materially
change
the
front
facade
and
the
ARCA
basic
architectural
features
is
you
know
it
certainly
raises
issues,
so
it
had
to
be
viewed
based
on
you
know,
an
actual
presentation.
A
H
Q
K
Back
I
would
suggest
that
you
didn't
because
the
side
also
the
side
elevation,
so
you
wouldn't
raise
the
roof,
but
you
could
you
know
change
where
the
dormers
are.
The
other
thing
I
would
suggest
hopefully
you'll
come
back.
Is
that
maybe
you
arrange
the
documents
so
that
we
can
understand
what
you're
doing
a
little
better.
So
you
show
the
existing
next
to
the
new
and
we
can
understand
that
with
the
existing
photography
as
well,
because
those
actually
really
are
more
representative
of
the
project
than
the
you
know.
Your
3d
renderings,
okay,.
A
A
So
I
think
it
probably
would
be
best
if
we
then
turn
to
2603
shared
and
do
we
need
to
actually
open
hearing,
okay,
okay,
so
the
you
know
it
with
those
of
us.
The
commissioners
in
various
drafts
of
the
proposed
findings
of
the
Commission
have,
as
the
most
recent
draft
and
posted
on
the
city's
website.
No.
G
A
C
A
M
K
This
can
I
just
go
backwards
for
one
second,
can
you
just
give
everyone
on
the
Commission
again
the
date
that
this
document
and
what
actually
the
document
consists
of?
Is
it
just
this
document
doesn't
include
all
the
letters
like
what
is
actually
what
is
the
timing
of
when
this
has
to
be
completed
and
what
is
actually
going
to
go
to
whomever?
Can
you
just
explain
that
whole
thing
work
backwards,
so
I.
C
Was
told
that
the
council
would
have
this
item
next
Monday
on
the
19th,
and
it
was
the
10th
to
include
with
the
report
all
the
documents
that
the
Commission
received
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
and
today's
minutes
and
the
report
itself
and
the
the
the
city
has
until
November
21st.
If
they
desire
to
submit
for
an
appeal.
C
K
We
haven't
looked
at
the
language,
exactly
I,
absolutely
appreciate,
Carlos
that
there
were
comments
made
and
you
added
a
lot
of
language
which
was
great,
but
you
know
I
know
that
the
enth
our
Elliot
was
trying
to
organize
it,
and
so
I
just
don't
know.
I
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
just
like
vote
on
this.
Leaving.
A
S
H
G
C
G
G
But
I
think
that's
where
I
think
Julie
and
I
certainly
am
objecting
to
the
draft,
because
that
draft
doesn't
really
effectively
identify
all
of
the
reasons
and
everything
that
went
on
at
that
meeting
and
all
of
the
conversations
presentations,
the
sort
of
documents
and
everything
else.
I
the
cliffnotes
of.
C
The
meeting
I
believe
that
there's
where
there
is
a
video
of
the
meeting,
these
are
not
men,
there's
are
not
transcripts.
These
are
minutes
and
I
think
that
the
text
has
substantially
everything
that
the
both
the
Commission
and
the
speaker's
had
to
say
that
evening
is
a
departure
from
the
direction
we
have
to
have
action
minutes.
This
is
ten
pages
long
with
substantial
information.
T
C
Was
a
version
last
week
and
I
didn't
get
to
feedback
until
probably
Sunday
evening,
then
I
prepare
whatever
I
could
on
Monday
and
today,
because
I
get
more
comments.
So
if
you
had
a
chance
to
read
carefully,
it's
basically
addressing
I
believe
all
the
concerns
that
you
have
now.
You
know
there's
a
discussion
or
I
can,
unless
you
have
a
transcript
you'll,
be
able
to
capture
within
that
every
every
word.
We
don't
have
a
transcript,
but
we
have
the
video
I.
A
Today,
despite
the
kind
of
chaotic
nature
of
the
process,
the
other
thing
I
guess
I'd
observe
is
the
findings
don't
require
I
mean
these
are
just
findings
they
of
compliance
or
non-compliance
with
the
standards
and
the
ordinance
and
I
think
we
can
I
mean
that
you
know
that
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
there
was
a
great
deal
of
discussion.
I
mean
two
things
number
one.
There
was
a
great
deal
of
discussion
about
things
beyond
necessarily
the
exact
things
we
need
to
make
findings.
A
O
I
E
H
K
K
B
A
G
H
G
H
H
C
You're
anything,
so
let's
go
right.
So
this
is
the
Commission's
findings.
Commissioners
receive
the
application
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition
of
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
and
coach
house
at
2603,
Sheridan
Road
and
over
20
documents
reports
with
information
on
the
physical
condition
of
the
structures,
the
historical,
historic
and
architectural
significance
of
the
mansion.
In
addition
on
October
20
2018,
the
commuters
visited
the
Harley
Clark
mansion,
no
more
than
two.
At
a
time
between
7:30
a.m.
and
1:00
p.m.
six
commissioners
are
professional
architects.
One
is
a
realtor.
C
Commissioners
referred
to
the
application
for
demolition,
the
documents
received
and
their
visit
to
the
site
and
concluded
the
following
in
regard
to
the
preservation
or
to
the
preservation
audience
2918
Section,
two,
eight
nine.
It
should
said
nine,
not
for
nine
D
standards
or
demolition,
one,
whether
the
property
structure
or
object
is
of
such
historic,
cultural,
architectural
or
ecological
significance.
C
That
is,
demolition
will
be
detrimental
to
the
public
interest
and
contrary
to
the
general
welfare
of
the
people
of
the
city
and
the
state
finding
build
in
1927
my
Harley
Clark,
the
building
and
courthouse
are
designated
landmarks
listed
in
the
National
Register
of
Historic
Places
and
located
within
the
North
East
Evanston
historic
district.
The
buildings
are
in
the
French,
eclectic
style
and
exhibit
unique
architectural
details
and
high
quality
building
materials
such
as
brick
and
stone.
C
The
demolition
will
be
detrimental
to
the
public
interest
and,
contrary
to
the
general
welfare
of
the
people
of
the
city
and
the
state
number
two,
whether
the
property
structure
or
object
relates
to
the
stint
if
historic,
cultural,
architectural
and
archaeological
character
of
the
district
as
a
whole
and
should
be
preserved
for
the
benefit
of
the
people
of
the
city
and
the
state.
Finding
the
Harley,
Clark
mansion
and
coach
house
are
an
important
visual
feature
of
the
North
East
Evanston
historic
district
and
contribute
to
its
distinctive
character.
C
The
Harley,
Clark
mansion
and
courthouse
have
special
community
and
architectural
and
aesthetic
interest
when
restored,
they
could
become
a
valuable
cultural
asset
and
economic
benefit
to
the
city
of
Evanston,
for
whether
the
property
is
structural
objects
of
such
old
unusual
or
distinctive
design,
texture
and
or
material
that
it
could
not
be
reproduced
without
great
difficulty
and
or
expense.
Finding
the
Harley,
Clark,
mansion
and
courthouse
are
distinct.
C
The
lack
of
proper
maintenance
over
the
years
did
not
reach
a
point
where
reputation
and
restoration
are
not
physically
or
financially
possible.
The
see
this
application
did
not
demonstrate
that
the
Harley
Clare
mansion
and
coach
house
are
in
danger
in
an
imminent
hazard
condition
to
persons
or
property.
Why.
A
G
I,
didn't
I
didn't
actually
modify
anything
on
the
first
floor,
although
I
in
reading
it
now
in
hindsight,
not
so
much
the
first
four
but
right
before
the
first
one,
and
this
is
a
minor
point
where
we
say
the
commissioners
received
the
application
of
appropriateness
and
then
there's
that
portion
about
all
eleven
commissioners
visited
the
site
and
that
we'd
also
received
twenty
documents.
What's
really
not
there,
which
is
in
the
minutes
and
and
previously
is
I,
think
we
should
make
the
point
that
we
had
testimony
from
37
people
I
think
that's
earlier.
No.
G
I
G
A
Right,
okay,
I
think
my
biggest
concern
was
on
the
findings
for
standard
five.
I
mean
the
you
know,
standards
one
through
four
all
go
to
the
fact
of
the
mansion.
Being
you
know
a
distinctive,
you
know
architectural
and
historically
important
house,
and
there
was
no
real
evidence.
Purdue
there
was
nothing
produced
to
the
contrary.
So
the
key
item
is
really
item
five
and
that
you
know
I
think
it's
really
important
for
purposes
of
Appeal
that
we
stick
to.
A
A
Our
findings
will
be
much
more
free.
You
know
free
from
attack
if
we
really
just
stick
to
what
we're
supposed
to
up
Hainan,
so
standard
five
really
just
gets
down
to
whether
the
physical
condition
is
such
that
it
represents
a
danger
and
imminent
hazard
condition.
Other
words
used,
and
you
know,
I
think
there.
A
G
A
I
think
for
the
findings
that
could
just
say
the
city
application
relied
on
city
inspections
that
showed
I
mean
mine.
Are
existing
potential,
are
all
just
opinions
that
the
city,
you
know
a
book
could
argue,
it
just
showed
you
know
evidence
of
building
code
violations
such
as
plumbing
mechanical
and
electrical,
and
then
the
next
sentence,
lack
of
proper
maintenance
had
not
reached
a
point.
I
mean
that's
just
now
that.
A
G
A
G
Terminology
and
I
didn't
bring
a
copy
of
it,
but
you
know
that
that
whole
terminology
about
hazardous
condition,
etc
and
maintenance
is,
is
strict
language
out
of
a
building
code
and
and
that's
one
of
the
issues
that
even
those
two
so-called
reports-
I'll
calm,
so-called
reports
for
the
moment-
really
weren't,
even
identifying
building
code
violations.
So.
C
C
K
C
Like
that
all
right,
so
now
I'm
going
to
the
section
we
said
before,
that
standard
six
is
not
applicable
or
does
not
apply.
So
we
move
on
to
the
summary
number
one
demolition
would
be
contrary
to
standards
for
demolition.
One
two
three
and
four,
the
Harley
Clark
mentioned
having
some
land
listed
in
the
National
Register
of
Historic,
Places
and
coach-house,
are
distinctive
structures
which
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
historic
desert
as
a
whole.
Preservation
is
consistent
with
the
purpose
and
intent
to
preserve
buildings
and
historical
and
architectural
value
to
the
city.
C
A
C
Number
two:
it
was
not
demonstrated
that
there
is
a
current
danger
to
persons
or
property
demolition
standard.
Five.
The
city
made
its
request
in
reliance
of
standard
five,
that
the
property
is
of
such
physical
condition
that
it
represents
a
danger
and
imminent
hazard
condition
to
persons
of
property
close
on
code
for
the
city's
application,
section
b1
code
for
okay.
G
G
G
L
H
A
Yeah
I
think
we
don't
I,
think
Julie
is
right,
I
think
we
should
move
it
all
except
then
I
think
we
need
I
mean
there
were
two
points
in
this
city's
presentation
that
concluded
that
the
building
was,
you
know
structurally
sound
or
whatever,
and
maybe
we
should
move.
We
need
to
add.
If
we're
going
to
move
this.
H
G
B
G
K
City
manager,
Bop
codes
listed
the
building's
physical
deteriorating
condition.
That's
lists
it
deteriorating
condition.
Current
state
presents
a
danger
at
the
building,
inspection
from
2012
and
2015
identified,
multiple
mechanical
plumbing
code
violations
resulting
in
these
numbers
repairs.
So
that
was
part
of
their
argument.
Right.
G
G
G
A
A
A
Public
comments
to
the
end
of
the
city's
presentation
would
say
for
the
city's
application
and
there's
a
whole
basically
about
a
page
here,
starting
a
per
the
city's
application
at
page
14
and
then
top
of
page
15.
The
carryover
paragraph
ending
in
mansion
move
all
of
that
back
to
right
above
public
public
comment.
So.
R
K
E
Public
before
a.
K
A
Then
I
think
we're
to
go
back
to
summary
paragraph
who
not
demonstrated
there's
a
current
danger.
So
what
we
have
is
the
city
made
its
request
in
reliance
in
standard
five,
that
the
property
is
of
such
physical
condition,
that
it
represents
a
danger,
an
imminent
hazard,
condition
to
the
person
or
property,
and
then
I
think.
We
should
add
that
the
reports
presented
by
the
city
as
summarized
above,
concluded
that
there
were
no
major
structural
concerns
and
either
the
interior,
exterior
or
interior
elements
of
the
mansion.
A
A
Mention
the
word
mansion
on
the
top
of
page
15
and
then
we're
adding
we're
kind
of
condensing
okay.
What's
summary
number
two
is
demonstrate:
there's
not
a
current
danger:
we've
got
the
city
made
its
request
and
standard
five
and
then
we're
adding
a
sentence
and
then
we're
concluding
what
the
Commission
found
the
city
did
not
present
evidence.
So
we
have
the
sentence,
we're
adding
or
do
we
have
to
do
it
I.
I
A
I
A
A
A
A
G
G
L
K
K
A
A
C
A
A
C
Conclusion,
based
on
the
city's
applications
or
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
demolition
of
the
Harley
Clark
mentioned
and
coach-house
the
comments
received
from
the
public,
the
site
is
it
from
11
commissioners
conducted
on
October,
20
2018
and
the
Commission's
discussion
at
the
special
meeting,
October
23rd
2010,
the
Commission
finds
that
the
city's
application
did
not
demonstrate
that
section.
289,
D,
1,
through
5
standards
for
demolition
have
been
met.
Standard
6
does
not
apply.
On
the
contrary,
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
and
coach
house
are
the
cultural,
architectural
asset
to
the
city
of
Evanston
and
citizens.
C
A
A
A
G
A
G
C
Continuing
on
October
23
2018,
the
Commission
unanimously
passed
a
motion
to
deny
the
certificate
of
openness
for
the
demolition
of
the
Harlequin
mansion
and
coach
house
in
that
standards
for
demolition,
one
through
five
apply
and
none
have
been
met
by
the
application
vote
ten
to
zero.
And
then
we
have
the
roll
call.
A
A
G
K
C
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of
emphasize
the
fact
that
I
did
everything
I
could
to
include
everybody's
thoughts
on
this
and
it's
very
hard
to
accurately
reflect
what
everybody's
thinking
without
having
a
transcript
so
I.
Perhaps
matters
shortchanged
some
of
the
comments,
but
I
thought
that
I
was
trying
to
do
is
include
what
I
thought
was
significant
and
appropriate
for
the
Commission
to
consider
no.
K
G
G
Okay,
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
even
have,
but
you
finally
made
the
second
sentence.
The
second
sentence,
the
one
that's
gonna,
be
what
the
current
physical
condition
etc.
Okay,
that
one
is
pretty
much
related
to
alcohol
standard
five.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
previous
sentences,
don't
if
we're
gonna,
use
that
as
the
summary
of
this
five
standards,
then
the
previous
sentence,
or
maybe
missing
sentences,
don't
address
the
other
four,
as
well
as
we're
addressing
five
as
if
the
first
four
are
less
critical
than
five
I.
Q
G
C
C
G
A
K
A
G
K
I
think
that
in
all
morning,
trying.
K
You
know,
what's
gonna
be
read,
I
mean
I
understand
like
if
you
were
just
sort
of
saying
this
is
what
we're
supposed
to.
This
is
what
we
are
tasked
with,
and
this
is
you
know
the
this
issue
of.
It's
not
gonna
fall
down,
it's
not
there,
no
dangerous
or
hazardous
conditions,
but
then
all
this
other
stuff,
which
I
think
is
so
important
to
anyone,
reading
it
and
making
any
decision
that
it
should
be
part
of
it.
Even
if
it's
a
lot
of
information
well.
G
But
all
I
was
asking
about
was
one
paragraph
document
I'm
just
saying
that
well,
we're
saying
here
is
that
they
are
a
cultural,
architectural
asset
to
the
city,
but
you
know
it
somewhere.
We
should
be
reiterating
that
you
know
it's
distinctive.
It
represents
certain
other
aspects
that
we've
identified.
Well
then,
let
me.
K
A
G
G
Little
bit
more
detail,
you
haven't
I,
haven't
thought
about
it.
I
thought.
Maybe
somebody
else
wants
to
okay.
Add
something
else
here:
it's
certainly
cultural
and
architectural.
That's
that's
that's
in
number
one,
but
we
then
talk
about
and
it
was
brought
up,
work
and
I
think
it
was
pointed
out
as
to
both.
G
G
K
K
A
We
turn
to
any
public
comments,
so
I
think
from
the
Commission's
point
of
view.
This
will
be
circulated
one
last
time
for
any
final
I
think
just
tweaks.
There
won't
be
an
opportunity
to
change
a
lot,
but
I
think
we
at
least
got
the
last
few
pages
right
now.
If
somebody
wants
to
say
what
did
they
find,
what
were
their
conclusions?
I
think
we
made
that
clear.
Even
if
you
know
you
have
to
look
for
it,
so
is
that
that's
okay
with
everybody
Yeah
right,
I.
Q
S
A
U
We're
grateful
to
Evanston
lake
house
and
Gardens
and
landmarks
Illinois
for
their
support
in
organizing
many
of
the
experts
from
which
you
heard
last
month,
and
we
are
obviously
grateful
to
all
who
took
the
time
not
only
to
speak
at
preservation
commission,
but
also
contributed
to
the
wealth
of
information
that
was
provided
to
you.
Lastly,
we
were
grateful
for
the
genuine
attention
and
professionalism
that
each
commissioner
reflected
in
their
comments
throughout
the
hearing.
U
U
And,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
we
request
that
when
this
is
submitted
to
City
Council,
it
include
the
full
documents
that
you
received:
the
packets,
which
were
used
all
letters
papers
and
photographs
received
during
or
in
lieu
of
public
comment
and
the
full
hearing
minutes
and
available.
Video
recording,
given
that
you
guys,
are
working
under
the
time
constraint
of
wanting
to
present
this
to
the
City
Council
or
for
the
City
Council
to
by
tomorrow.
5:00
p.m.
and
we
completely
appreciate
that.
U
We
also
request
that
you
add
to
your
findings
the
suggestion
that,
while
findings
are
good,
they
are
absolutely
no
substitute
for
watching
or
listening
to
the
full
recording
of
the
hearing
itself.
We
are
buoyed
by
your
expert
confirmation
that
this
property
is
not
appropriate
for
demolition
and,
of
course,
by
the
twenty
seven
thousand
plus
voters
that
agreed
with
you
that
the
property
should
not,
that
should
be,
it
should
be
preserved
and
protected,
and
we
thank
you
truly
for
doing
your
due
diligence
and
making
the
educated
Asians
that
you
have.
Thank
you.
Thank.
R
My
name
is
Laurie
Keenan
I
live
on
Colfax
Street
in
the
seventh
Ward
were
enormous
ly,
grateful
to
you
all
for
the
important
work
you
do
as
stewards
of
our
built
environment.
The
last
Preservation
Commission
meeting
I
attended
was
the
first
time
in
three
years
that
I
felt
like
the
topic
of
Harley
Clarke
was
given
a
fair
shake
on
a
level
playing
field,
so
I'm
very
grateful
for
that.
Your
unanimous
voice
and
supportive
preservation
was
uplifting,
however,
and
with
great
respect
and
Carlos
I
appreciate
the
difficulty
in
presenting
or
compiling
the
report.
R
I
think
that
the
work
you've
done
and
the
case
that
you've
made
at
your
meeting
at
that
meeting
is
in
no
way
reflected
in
this
report
and
even
the
amended
report
as
it
is
right
now.
In
particular,
the
Commission
received
documents
written
testimony
and
oral
testimony
from
a
group
of
16
experts
from
Landmarks
Illinois,
many
of
them
affiliated
with
allied
groups
and
many
of
them
of
national
renown.
I,
don't
I,
don't
get
that
from
this
report
that
these
are
really
noted
experts
in
their
fields.
R
We
believe
that
their
statements,
as
well
as
their
names
and
their
titles
at
least,
should
be
part
of
the
report.
We
would
hope
that
the
report
would
back
up
those
findings
with
specific
facts
from
documents
and
reference
to
expert
testimony
related
to
each
standard.
In
fact,
the
document
that
you
approve
may
become
a
legal
document.
The
city
manager
has
already
said
that
he
will
appeal
your
decision,
and
the
next
step
would
be
to
take
this
beyond
the
City
Council.
R
So
I
think
it
takes
careful
consideration
in
what
you're
submitting
that
that
this
will
become
a
legal
document.
It
might
be
the
only
basis
of
evidence
that
is
reported,
I
think
it's
also
important
to
know
the
City
Council
will
likely
not
read
all
of
landmarks
testimony
and
all
of
their
experts
testimony.
What
they
will
read
is
the
summary
report
that
that
you're
presenting
so
in
addition
to
all
of
their
comments,
they
think
the
report
should
clearly
state
that
the
Commission
found
the
application
did
not
meet
any
of
the
criteria
for
certificate
of
appropriateness.
R
I
urge
you
to
take
the
time
to
include
all
of
the
supporting
documentation
and
testimony
which
it
sounds
like
you
will
do.
I
reviewed
what
was
submitted.
The
last
report
and
just
looking
at
my
own
remarks
from
that
evening.
It's
not
accurate
or
comprehensive,
so
I
would
imagine
if
the
other
people
who
testified
outside
of
the
experts
from
landmarks,
if
they
were
to
review
what
they
said,
I,
don't
think
that
it
would
that
it
would
also
share
their
comments.
R
So
not
just
the
outside
experts,
but
your
own
words
as
well,
and
the
impressions
having
just
been
inside
the
building
as
experts
yourselves
Rob
I
was
so
taken.
When
you
said
it's
breathtaking,
you
know
I
think
that
some
of
your
own
testimony-
and
this
is
the
kind
of
nerd
I-
am
I-
went
home
and
watched
the
tape
again,
but
I
can't
guarantee
that
the
council
will
do
that
and
and
Steve
Harley
Clark
actually
submitted.
R
We
put
together
just
a
three-minute
video
of
the
highlights
of
all
of
your
remarks
and,
in
contrast
to
the
city's
report,
and
that
alone
is
interesting
too.
We
believe
that
your
unanimous
vote
to
deny
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
coupled
with
the
80%
you
vote
for
preservation
on
the
referendum
last
week,
creates
two
important
data
points
for
our
elected
officials
to
use
in
making
their
decision
about
whether
or
not
to
preserve
harlot
Clark.
R
It's
important
work
that
you
do
we're
counting
on
the
strongest
report
possible
to
prevent
this
landmark
from
the
quote:
tragic
blunder
of
demolition,
to
quote
new
urbanist,
author
and
cultural
credit,
gem
counselor,
as
he
said,
about
Harley
Clark,
knowing
that
the
City
Council
will
likely
never
take
the
time
to
watch
the
tape
from
your
meeting
or
dig
deeper
than
the
few
facts
of
information
of
support
that
they'll
receive
in
your
document.
I
urge
you
to
please
take
the
time
to
make
your
report
as
strong
as
possible
and
as
comprehensive
as
possible.
R
A
Just
informational,
II,
I
I'm,
not
sure
you
might
have
seen
the
initial
draft
you
mean
Carlos
had
added
five
pages
of
summary
of
the
speaker's
materials
which
is
I
mean
five
pages
is
I
mean
within
the
limits
of
practicality,
is
probably
with
what
could
feasibly
be
done?
I,
don't
know
if
he,
the
last
speaker,
signed
up
by
the
pin
for
one
of
the
other
presentations
that
it's
a
Victor.
That
was
that's.
G
G
K
G
I
just
didn't
want
to
yeah
I
think
as
to
as
to
one
of
the
comments
and
and
I
was
trying
to
edit
this
along
the
way
today
and
adding
in
people's
BIOS.
But
in
fact,
I
have
to
tell
you
that
I
looked
at
my
notes
from
the
meeting.
Unfortunately,
some
of
the
people
when
they
were
here
that
night
told
us
who
they
were
and
some
of
them
as
you
keep
going
down.
I
didn't
have
a
clue
as
to
who
they
were
and,
and
it
gets
a
little
thin
and
and
I
think
Julie.
L
K
K
K
So
me
so
so
I'm
wondering
so,
can
they
be
I
mean
some
of
them
just
need
some
editing
and
it's
complete
sentences
and
then
can
we
just
put
in
the
rest
of
the
information
about
who
some
of
these
people
are
I
mean
we
have
there's
a
lot
here,
but
there's
a
couple
that
we
really
Elliot
I
know
you
added
is
this?
Am
I
reading
your
Corrections
are
in
the
correct.
G
K
You
just
makers
I'm
asking
Carlos.
If
we
could
add
like,
will
you
or
will
someone
be
able
to
go
through
these
comments,
which
we
think
are
equally
as
important
as
the
findings
and
just
make
sure
their
sentences
and
that
some
of
the
you
know
some
there's
more
credentials
for
some
of
the
people?
Can
that
be
added.
C
G
There's
look
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
I
wasn't
clear
on
as
to
who
they
were
not
everybody.
Fortunately,
I'm
still
of
the
age
that
I
heard
Virginia
Beatty
when
she
used
to
be
on
WBBM
talking
about
plants
and
and
stuff
in
the
park
way
way
back
when
but
I'm
not
sure
anybody
else
in
the
place
knew
who
she
was.
U
G
If
somebody
knows
who
I'm
not
even
sure
I
have
Tony,
Boras
name
spelled
right
because
I
saw
it,
no
I
know
who
he
is,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
was
spelled
right,
I
mean
I.
Think
we
have
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
but
that's
just
I,
fortunately
identified
Stewart
corners
and
architects.
We
should
be
happy
to
know
I
check.
C
K
K
K
A
certain
point:
if
somebody
doesn't
want
to
read
something
I
mean
there
is
I,
think
there's
I
just
want
to
say:
I
think
Carlos
has
done
a
really
you
know
going
through.
This
again
has
done
a
really
good
job
Elliot.
Thank
you
and
I
think
there
is
oh
that
this
is
very
convincing
as
an
argument.
Someone
might
not
read
it
and
I,
don't
know
how
you
prevent
that
from
happening
with
all
the
letters,
and
you
know
it's
so
I
don't
know.
Okay,.
A
I'm
sorry
I
think
there
are
two
things
we
can
do.
One
is
Carlos
will
submit
the
version
we've
discussed
and
then
there
is
time
tomorrow
a
little
tiny
bit
of
time.
If
anybody
wants
to
do
Corrections.
If
anybody
wants
to
just
complete
facts
like
some
who
somebody
is
or
minor
things
like
that,
there's
an
opportunity
to
improve
or
any
sentences
that
are
incomplete,
there's
certainly
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
I
think.
Secondly,
the
suggestion
has
been
made
that
we
don't
have
that.
There's
no
necessary
urgency
to
approve
the
minutes
tonight,
and
so
we
could
take.
H
M
A
C
Well,
my
instructions
just
had
the
minute
should
be
approved
at
the
next
available
meeting.
This
meeting
and
I
send
the
minutes
before
the
report.
That
was
you
know
the
second
version
and
so
on.
I
think
the
part
that
is
that
I
noticed
is
that
I
was
trying
really
fast,
so
some
of
the
sentences
or
they're,
not
there
correctly
so
I
can
I
can
go
over
that.
But
everything
else
is
it's
pretty
much
similar
to
the
findings,
but
you
know
physically
I
can't
do
all
these
things
honestly
to
be
honest,
especially
by
5
p.m.
tomorrow.
G
H
A
S
Yeah
just
to
clarify
that-
and
no
this
is
a
bit
of
an
extraordinary
case,
but
minutes
are
a
summary
of
what
occurs
in
the
meeting.
All
the
meetings
are
videotaped
now,
so
there's
a
full
record
there.
All
documents
are
submitted
that
were
part
of
the
packet
or
you
know
online
and
part
of
the
full
record.
S
So
I
think
that
idea
is
for
the
the
findings
to
be
a
summary
of
how
the
Commission
reasoned
its
decision,
based
on
the
five
standards
at
the
last
meeting
and
then
the
the
minutes
to
be
a
summary
of
what
occurred
at
that
meeting
again,
not
to
be
a
transcript
there.
So
a
compromise
for
folks
that
want
it
to
be
more
more
exhaustive
in
the
minutes.
S
As
far
as
less
action
minutes
and
again,
our
direction
as
a
city
is
kind
of
a
do
action,
type
minutes
and
spend
our
time
on
other
processes,
because
we
do
that
these
full
videos
available.
If
someone
wants
to
look
and
see
everything
but
sort
of
compromise,
we
could
present
draft
minutes
those
often
go
to
with
council
packets
for
other
Commission's,
because
those
minutes
haven't
been
approved
at
time.
So
those
draft
minutes
could
go
forward
and
there
would
be
time
to
at
future
meeting
at
the
next
meeting
to
to
approve
the
full
minutes
at
that
point.
S
A
O
A
B
U
R
A
C
G
A
A
G
H
O
C
G
C
A
G
G
H
G
No,
it
isn't
going
to
approve
it.
I
guess.
Are
we
I
move
that
we
accept
I'm,
not
even
sure
what
we're
accepting
anymore
the
or
that
we
approve
the
findings
as
amended
at
at
this
meeting
and,
as
might
be
edited
in
terms
of
Corrections,
grammatical
errors
etc
by
tomorrow?
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else.
Actually
it's
the
the
findings.
I
should
be
more
careful.
K
B
A
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G
H
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T
Craig
I'll
ER
I
live
at
7:41
Sheridan,
which
is
just
behind
90
Kedzie.
In
your
last
meeting,
you're
approved
their
fence,
including
a
six-foot
wood
fence,
all
the
way
around
that
is
in
violation
of
my
easement,
my
visual
easement
Carlos.
Mr.
rue
des
we
sent
you
a
letter,
my
wife
did
in
fact,
and
so
hopefully
you
have
that,
and
our
attorney
said
that
one
of
us
should
come
here
and
voice
an
objection
and
that's
Wanda.
T
A
C
A
O
H
A
A
G
C
C
One
is
if
you
would
like
to
hold
a
meeting
in
August
and
if
we
do
that,
we
had
to
do
it.
The
first
week
or
the
first
Tuesday
in
August
direction
is
that
we
should
have
a
meeting
before
the
council
meeting.
So
that
would
take
us
to
the
first
week
Tuesday
in
January,
I'm,
sorry
in
August,
2009
teenth,
that's
one
question
and
the
other
question
is
the
meaning.
The
second
week
in
October
will
fall
on
Yom
Kippur
holiday,
so
I
want
to
know
if
you
want
to
change
either
to
the
yet
to
the
first
week.