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A
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone,
and
just
because
many
of
you
likely
haven't
been
to
a
Preservation
Commission
meeting
before
I'm,
going
to
take
a
couple
of
minutes
just
to
describe
what
the
meeting,
what
our
meeting
scope
will
be
tonight
and
then
also
a
little
bit
about
the
process.
First
of
all,
in
terms
of
the
scope,
essentially,
the
Preservation
Commission
will
determine
if
the
city's
certificate
of
appropriateness,
application
for
the
demolition
of
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
meets
the
standards
of
for
demolition
that
are
set
forth
in
the
city's
preservation
ordinance.
A
These
standards
for
demolition
appear
in
the
ordinances
section:
two:
eight
nine
subsections,
D
one
through
six
and
E
the
six
standards
according
to
our
agenda
tonight
that
we
will
be
reviewing
and
I'm
going
to
give
the
preparatory
language
here
as
well
standards
for
review
of
demolitions.
In
considering
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition.
A
Whether
the
property
structure
or
object
relates
to
the
distinctive,
historic,
cultural,
architectural
or
archeological
character
of
the
district
as
a
whole
and
should
be
preserved
for
the
benefit
of
the
people
of
the
city
and
the
state
number
three.
Whether
demolition
of
the
property
structure
or
object
would
be
contrary
to
the
purpose
and
intent
of
this
chapter
into
the
objectives
of
the
historic
preservation
for
the
applicable
district
number.
Four,
whether
the
property
structure
or
object
is
of
such
old
unusual
or
distinctive
design,
texture
and/or
material
that
it
could
not
be
reproduced
without
great
difficulty.
A
And/Or
expense
number
five,
whether
the
property
structure
or
object,
is
of
such
physical
condition
that
it
represents
a
danger
and
imminent
hazard,
condition
to
persons
or
property,
and
that
retention,
reading,
remediation
or
repair
are
not
physically
possible
or
require
great
difficulty.
And/Or
expense
number
six,
except
in
cases
where
the
owner
has
no
plans
for
a
period
of
up
to
five
years
to
replace
the
existent
existing
land,
Markov
property
structure
or
object
in
a
district.
A
No
certificate
of
appropriateness
shall
be
issued
until
plans
for
a
replacement
structure
or
object
have
been
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
Commission
subsection
II.
In
addition
to
above
the
above
standards,
the
Commission
shall
also
commit
a
consider:
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties
as
amended.
A
The
the
Commission
itself
will
only
review
tonight.
The
historic
preservation
related
issues
specific
to
the
city's
certificate
of
appropriate
applicant
of
appropriateness,
application
for
the
demolition
of
the
Harley
Clark
and
just
in
terms
of
our
scope,
the
Commission's
discussion
and
deliberations
will
focus
on
these
standards
and
obviously,
on
the
extensive
background
information
that
was
provided
to
us
in
our
meeting
packets.
I
can
tell
you
from
working
with
these
folks
over
many
years
that
our
commissioners
are
prepared
and
have
reviewed
this
information.
A
A
I
think
the
Commission
meetings,
essentially
just
to
give
you
all
of
you,
a
little
bit
of
an
overview,
are
organized
a
bit
differently
than
those
of
the
City
Council
meetings
and
just
as
some
points
of
information
from
process,
the
meeting
itself
will
begin
with
the
presentation
by
the
applicant,
which
is
obviously
the
city
of
Evanston
city
staff,
will
describe
how
and
why
this
application
meets
the
ordinance
standards
that
were
just
described
once.
That
presentation
is
complete.
All
the
speakers
that
have
signed
in
and
I
think
my
number
is
right.
A
There
are
35
here
that
have
signed
in
will
be
called
in
the
order
in
which
you've
signed
in,
and
you
will
be
then
be
speaking
it
for
a
two
minute
time
slot
any
additional
letters
or
emails
or
other
communications,
and
we
received
a
few
tonight
as
well
as
earlier
this
afternoon
are
going
to
be
acknowledged.
Just
so
we
don't
take.
Some
of
them
are
fairly
lengthy
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
included
in
the
record,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
folks
are
acknowledged.
A
You
will
be
timed
for
that
two-minute
slot
and
if
you
do
have
any
materials
that
you
want
to
provide
to
us
for
insertion
into
the
record,
you
can
either
give
them
to
Carlos,
Ruiz
or
myself
and
please
feel
free
to
reference
those
materials
as
you're
making
your
presentation,
as
was
mentioned
before
there
will
be
no
PowerPoint
or
other
visual
presentations
allowed.
As
part
of
any
of
the
comments
in
terms
of
speaker
time,
there
will
be
no
yielding
or
ceding
of
speaker
time
when
you're
done
you're
done,
and
we
ask
that
all
of
you
be.
A
Succeeding
any
previous
comments,
please
feel
free
to
affirm
your
agreement
with
a
previous
speaker.
We
want
to
know
that
and
we're
asking
to
that
just
as
part
of
our
normal
process.
If
you
have
specific
questions
related
to
the
applicants,
presentation
feel
free
to
pose
those
questions
in
your
two
minute.
A
lot
of
time
and
after
all
of
the
speakers
have
finished
the
city
staff,
the
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
rebut
any
evidence.
A
They
cannot
restate
what
they
have
already
restated,
but
they
can
do
that
at
that
point,
once
everybody's
done,
I'll
summarize
what
we've
heard
for
those
any
particular
objections,
or
particular
questions
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
Carlos
and
Scott
will
be
recording
those
so
that
those
are
responded
to
once
all
of
that's
complete,
the
commissioners
will
begin.
Their
deliberations
will
ask
questions
share
our
observations,
discuss
our
thoughts
specific
to
the
ordinance
standards
and
the
commissioners.
As
I
mentioned,
our
prepare
to
be
focused
on
those
standards
once
completed.
A
The
commissioners
will
have
an
opportunity
to
have
provide
any
final
observations.
I'll
summarize,
our
our
deliberations
will
then
proceed
to
a
motion
and
that
motion
will
be
followed
by
a
roll
call
vote
of
the
commissioners
and,
as
part
of
as
part
of
that
process,
we'll
identify
any
next
steps
and
with
that
yes,
Fred.
B
A
C
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission
good
evening,
I'm
Wally
Papa
coats
I'm,
the
Evanston
City
Manager
I
am
here
tonight
in
my
capacity
representing
the
owner
of
the
property,
the
city
of
Evanston
finished.
Thrust
of
this
have
a
short
presentation
to
go
through
the
application
that
was
submitted.
I
am
the
sole
a
representative
of
the
property
owner
this
evening.
The
other
city
staff
here
is
here
solely
in
their
capacity
as
staff
to
the
commission.
So,
as
there
is
questions
and
comments,
please
direct
them
to
me.
C
I
wanted
to
start
at
least
briefly
with
a
history
of
how
we
got
here
this
evening
as
I.
Think
many
folks
are
aware.
The
mansion
really
was
owned
by
a
man
named
Harley
Clark.
He
was
a
gas
company
executive
who
lived
in
the
house
and
in
1951
of
the
house,
changed
hands
from
that
Clark
family
to
the
Sigma
Chi
fraternity
and
it
served
as
their
national
headquarters
from
1951
till
1965
in
1965,
the
city
of
Evanston
purchased
the
property
which
includes
the
lakefront
beachfront
and
the
the
building.
C
We
received
one
response
from
t'lani
enterprises,
a
organization
headed
up
by
a
colonel
Pritzker
that
to
purchase
and
renovate
the
property
and
then,
ultimately,
in
2013.
That
proposal
was
rejected
by
the
City
Council
next,
the
city
continuing
to
look
for
a
use
for
the
property
and
a
source
for
renovation
to
the
building
entered
into
discussions
with
the
Illinois
Department
of
Natural
Resources.
At
that
point,
the
state
was
looking
at
using
the
the
mansion
for
its
Lake
Michigan,
a
coastal
program
as
the
staff.
Those
discussions
continued
until
2015.
C
The
change
in
governorship
resulted
in
the
request
for
the
state
to
use
the
building,
as
it
was
drawn.
Then
in
2015
assistant
committee
was
formed
to
study
uses
for
the
mansion
report
was
made
to
the
City
Council
and
at
that
point
the
City
Council
decided
to
discontinue
any
further
discussions
year
later
in
2016,
and
that
was
I.
C
So
I
want
to
focus
on
a
few
of
the
specific
standards
chair,
Williams
that
you
went
through,
that
are
for
the
Commission's
consideration
and
the
cities
of
stance
on
these
particular
standards.
Standard
one
deals
with
the
the
architectural
style
and
design.
That
is
the
feeling
of
the
city
that
the
mansion,
the
coach-house,
are
not
prime
examples
of
one
particular
architectural
saw
all
are
designed
and
that
the
design
could
be
reproduced,
which
is
a
standard
that
permits
demolition
again.
C
A
picture
can
I
mean
everyone's
familiar
standard
to
the
buildings,
require
a
significant
amount
of
financial
expenditures
to
resolve
current
property
code
violations
and
financial
hardship
must
be
considered
as
a
region
for
demolition,
as
I've
demonstrated
by
talking
about
the
time
frame.
The
city
of
Evanston
has
spent
the
better
part
of
seven
years
looking
at
options
for
the
mansion
looking
for
options
for
a
renovation
investment
in
there
and
during
the
course
of
those
seven
years,
numerous
studies
were
done.
C
I
think
many
of
them
have
been
made
available,
certainly
have
been
made
available
on
the
city's
website.
Part
of
the
reason
for
this
was
the
Avastin
Art
Center,
who
had
the
lease
with
the
city
did
not
perform
the
necessary
maintenance,
repair
renovation
work
needed
to
keep
the
mansion
in
proper
working
condition.
C
The
the
main
house
has
remained
vacant
for
several
years
now,
since
the
Art
Center
left
in
2015
on
the
coach-house
is
an
extremely
disturbing
condition.
The
city
believes
that
the
current
state
of
the
property
presents
a
dangers
to
persons
inhabiting
or
visiting
the
property.
We
did
the
building
inspections
in
2012
and
2015,
which
identified
multiple
mechanical
and
plumbing
code
violations
resulting
in
repair
estimates
from
430
to
$600,000,
and
those
repairs
would
only
make
the
house
code
compliant
as
a
single-family
home,
not
for
the
various
other
uses
that
have
been
proposed
over
the
years.
C
Achieving
building
code,
compliance
for
a
new
stated
use
would
also
trigger
additional
repairs
and
remodeling
for
that
specific
use
and
the
city
through
the
various
community
task
forces
that
have
looked
at
that,
as
well
as
the
proposals
from
the
t'lani
foundation
and
the
additional
initial
work
that
was
done
by
the
state
of
Illinois,
dealt
with
issues
of
accessibility
and
bathroom
count.
A
walkthrough
inspection
was
conducted
to
assess
plumbing
and
mechanical
systems
in
November
of
2015.
Additional
violations
were
identified
there.
That
would
also
have
to
be
remediated
electrical
code
violations.
C
C
Again,
the
demolition
of
the
buildings,
as
proposed
by
the
city
of
Evanston,
would
result
in
open
lakefront
land
which
would
restore
the
original
condition
of
the
property
to
its
natural
state
and
represents
that
the
lakeshore
in
the
early
years,
early
days
when
there
were
no
buildings
present,
this
is
a
rendering
a
drawing
a
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
what
the
artistic
use
there,
but
a
depiction
of
the
the
lighthouse
grounds
in
1873.
So,
as
you
can
see
at
that
point,
there
pretty
much
was
just
the
lake
house
and
some
trees
and
the
lakefront.
C
So
the
proposal
to
demolish
both
the
Coach
House
and
mansion
just
again
for
everyone's
understanding
of
what
is
largely
known
as
the
lake
house,
landing
properties
beginning
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen
to
the
south
of
the
lighthouse
confer
house
and
the
lighthouse
itself
is
owned
by
the
city
of
Evanston,
was
to
the
city
by
the
federal
government
and
is
under
a
long-term
lease
with
the
lighthouse
landing
park.
District.
The
fog
houses
are
property
of
the
city.
We
operate
them
and
use
them
for
summer
recreational
programs.
C
Those
buildings
have
recently
gone
through
some
renovation
and
would
remain
through
the
proposal
for
the
demolition
of
the
Arts
Center
coach
house
and
the
main
mansion,
which
is
the
next
parcel
to
the
north.
As
you
move
up
the
screen,
the
partial
just
north
of
that
is
a
wooded
area
that
is
property
of
the
lighthouse,
Landing,
Park
District
and
then.
Finally,
the
last
parcel
that
makes
up
the
the
area
is
nose,
playground
day
at
ala,
which
is
the
property
of
the
city
of
Evanston,
again
another
rendering
to
show
specifically
some
of
the
property
issues.
C
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Evanston,
I'm
here
tonight,
to
request
that
that
you
grant
the
appropriate
of
appropriateness
to
move
forward
with
the
demolition
of
the
mansion.
It's
the
feeling
of
the
city
that
we
have
spent
several
years,
seven
years.
In
fact,
looking
at
alternative
uses,
we
have
what
we
believe
exhausted
of
those
opportunities,
the
costs
associated
with
the
renovation
based
on
the
studies
we
have
done
exceed
what
the
city
of
Evanston
believes
is
appropriate
and
we
would
like
to
move
forward
with
demolition
of
the
building.
A
Oh,
thank
you
Scott
with
that.
What
we'll
do
is
begin
with
public
comment.
Before
we
start
there
are
a
couple
of
are
a
number
of
pieces
of
information
that
were
received
today
in
terms
of
comments
and
letters
from
folks.
The
first
is
from
Aaron
Pakman
supporting
denial
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
There
was
an
email
from
Beth
Lang
about
allowing
Landmarks
Illinois
access
to
the
property.
There
was
another
letter
from.
A
D
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Commission,
thank
you
very
much,
I'd
like
to
read
my
statement
into
the
public
record.
Please
that
it
is
before
you
to
also
read
I'm
Bonnie
MacDonald
president
and
CEO
of
Landmarks
Illinois,
the
statewide
Historic
Preservation
advocacy
nonprofit.
We
have
assisted
Evanston
residents
for
the
past
four
years
in
their
efforts
to
save
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
and
develop
a
reuse
plan.
D
We
note
that
the
city's
demolition
application
is
deeply
flawed
in
erroneously,
asserting
that
the
buildings
in
their
current
state
present
a
danger
to
persons
inhabiting
or
visiting
the
property,
and
that
remediating
or
repairing
these
require
great
difficulty
or
expense.
There
is
no
evidence
to
support
this
assertion
to
date.
More
confusing
is
the
fact
that
the
city's
report
provided
with
the
application
describes
the
building
as
in
good
working
order
and
needing
only
minor,
inexpensive
repairs
to
comply
with
the
building
code.
D
They
will
demonstrate
that
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
continues
to
meet
the
Evanston
landmark
criteria
and
that
there
is
no
cause
to
award
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
its
demolition.
We
hope
he
will
agree
with
our
experts
findings
and
vote
to
deny
the
demolition
application
very,
very
much
you're
done
Thanks.
E
Good
evening
Madame,
chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
these
important
issues.
This
evening
my
name
is
Tony
borage
and
I'm,
a
partner
at
the
law
firm
of
Jenner
and
block.
We
represent
Landmarks
Illinois
in
connection
with
the
Commission's
resolution
of
these
issues.
This
evening,
I
just
wanted
to
make
two
brief
points
about
the
issue
of
access
to
harley
clark
mansion.
E
As
the
commission
members
may
know,
landmarks
illinois
submitted
a
request
to
obtain
access
on
behalf
of
the
expert,
some
of
whom
you're
going
to
be
listening
to
tonight
and
have
submitted
statements.
We
feel
it
is
very
important
that
such
access
be
provided
and
whether
for
this
process
to
be
fair
to
all
sides
and
for
us
to
properly
address
some
of
the
assertions
that
were
made
by
the
city
manager
in
the
materials
and
this
evening,
so
we
object
to
these
proceedings
continuing
prior
to
providing
that
access
to
landmarks
illinois.
E
We
request
that
those
findings
be
made
in
writing
and,
finally,
I
understand
that
the
city
manager
made
some
assertions
tonight
regarding,
for
example,
the
economic
hardship
of
the
city,
the
suggestion
that
this
is
going
to
be
restoring
the
building
to
the
natural
state
and
that
they've
exhausted
opportunities
for
alternative
uses.
We
don't
think
these
assertions
were
adequately
supported
and
we
object
to
them.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
F
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Commission
Lisa
D
Kira,
also
with
landmarks
Illinois
demolition
standards,
one
and
two
of
the
city
of
Evanston
preservation
ordinance
contemplate
the
benefit
and
welfare
of
designated
landmarks
to
the
residents
of
Evanston
and
Illinois.
Undeniably,
the
demolition
of
Harley
Clark
mansion
will
result
in
unprecedented
loss
of
the
city's
architectural
heritage,
especially
considering
the
public
ownership
of
the
property,
which
has
historically
provided
public
access
and
use
of
this
great
and
irreplaceable
landmark,
as
we
know,
built
in
1928
by
Harley
Clark.
F
He
hired
a
prominent
Boston
architect,
Richard
powers
and
Landscape
Architect
jens
jensen
to
design
a
lakefront,
a
state
where
architecture
and
landscape
are
intrinsically
linked.
We
believe
demolition
and
destruction
of
this
property
should
not
be
an
option,
especially
considering
its
local
landmark
designation
and
the
fact
that
the
city
purchased
the
property
to
ensure
its
preservation.
If
the
city
of
Evanston
demolishes
its
own
designated
landmark,
this
will
set
a
terrible
precedent
for
the
future
of
designated
landmarks
in
Evanston
that
are
presumed
to
be
protected,
in
addition
to
its
irreplaceable
architecture
and
landscape
design.
F
Investing
in
historic
places
creates
more
jobs
than
new
construction
and,
in
this
case,
certainly
more
than
demolition
per
dollar
spent,
because
it
is
labor
intensive
preservation,
rather
than
demolition,
prevents
otherwise
reusable
materials
that
could
never
be
sourced
again
from
entering
the
waste
stream.
Even
deconstruction
is
not
efficient
in
the
use
of
material
as
preservation.
Preservation
of
Harley
Clark
contributes
to
Evanston
and
the
region
as
a
more
interesting
place
in
which
to
live,
work
and
sustains
our
shared
heritage.
Culture
and
attitude.
H
H
The
interior
of
the
house
was
generally
in
good
condition
structurally,
and
the
coach
house
was
in
good
condition
on
the
exterior
due
to
recent
restoration,
repair
work
and
the
interior
was
in
poor
condition
because
it
had
been
uninhabited
and
had
peeling
paint,
etc.
I
did
see
it
again
in
2017
and
I
feel
strongly
that
the
building
is
in
safe
condition
and
is
repairable.
I
J
Hi
I'm
Stuart
Cohen,
but
I'm
here
speaking
for
Susan,
Benjamin
and
I
want
to
read
a
edited
version
of
the
letter
she
sound
Susan
writes
I've,
asked
Stuart
to
read
my
testimony
into
the
record
since
that
cannot
be
here
this
evening.
I
am
an
architectural
historian
with
over
40
years
of
experience,
writing
National,
Register
and
local,
landmark
nominations
and
evaluating
properties
for
their
significance
for
local
governments.
I
am
the
co-author,
with
Stuart
of
North
Shore
Chicago
houses
of
lakefront
suburbs,
which
includes
an
essay
on
the
Clark
house.
J
If
you
don't
have
a
copy,
please
run
out
and
buy
one
I'm
writing
to
encourage
the
Evanston
Historic
Preservation
Commission
to
strongly
oppose
the
demolition
of
the
Harvey
Clark
house.
I
will
address
the
standards
that
the
Commission
needs
to
consider
when
reviewing
demolitions
standard
one.
It
would
be
detrimental
to
the
public
good
at
a
house
of
this
architectural
caliber
be
demolished
when
we
wrote
our
book
steward
and
I
selected
only
42
houses
from
among
numerous
architectural
important
properties
on
the
North
Shore
in
the
Harvey
Clark
house.
J
Rarely
do
you
see
such
a
high
level
of
decorative
treatments
and
craftsmanship
ornamental
features,
including
twisted
columns,
molded,
berths,
chimneys,
highly
detailed,
copper
work
and
classical
elements.
Complement
the
graceful
massing
of
the
building
standard
to
the
demolition
of
the
Harvey
Clark
house
would
be
contrary
to
the
intent
of
the
Northeast
Evanston
historic
district
I
likely
am
the
uniquely
qualified.
J
That's
Susan,
not
me
to
address
the
significance
of
the
Harley
Clark
house
in
relation
to
the
historic
district,
having
been
hired
by
the
city
of
Evanston
to
prepare
the
nomination
for
that
district,
where
the
house
is
located
standard
3.
There
is
no
question
that
the
demolition
of
a
Harley
Clark
house
would
be
contrary
to
the
intent
of
the
city's
preservation
ordinance,
which.
K
Evening
my
name
is
Julia
Bachrach
and
I'm,
a
historian
and
preservationist
with
considerable
expertise
in
landscape
history,
particularly
the
work
of
Jen's
Jensen
I
served
as
the
Chicago
Park
District's
Planning
supervisor
for
28
years
and
currently
had
my
own
consulting
practice.
I've
written
a
few
books,
including
the
city
in
a
garden
I
wrote
you
a
long
detailed
letter
and
I
mentioned
described
each
of
the
four
standards.
K
The
first
four
standards
standards,
one
through
four
of
subsection,
2,
8,
9,
II
and
so
I
feel
strongly
that
the
demolition
should
be
denied
based
on
those
four
standards
based
on
my
detailed
knowledge
of
Jensen's
work
and
my
involvement
in
the
field
of
landscape
preservation.
I
believe
that
Harley
Clarke
estate
is
among
the
nation's
most
important
historic
landscape
resources.
Only
a
limited
number
of
Jennsen
designed
private
residential
properties
remain
today.
K
Jensen
was
named
the
Dean
of
American
landscape
architecture
by
the
New
York
Times,
and
in
recent
years,
has
contributions
have
increasingly
drawn
national
attention,
included
of
including
a
full-length
documentary
called
the
Living
green,
which
has
been
shown
throughout
the
nation
and
abroad.
The
cultural
landscape
foundation
concurs
with
my
evaluation
of
the
Harley
Clarke
landscape
is
one
of
the
nation's
most
significant
historic
landscapes.
The
Washington
dc-based
nonprofit
organization
has
included
the
property
on
landslides,
its
list
of
the
nation's
short
list
of
the
nation's
most
significant
and
endangered
historic
landscapes.
K
The
cultural
landscape
foundation
website
states,
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
now
faces
impending
demolition,
which
would
leave
an
orphaned
and
illegible
landscape
that
would
instead,
should
instead
be
restored
and
maintained,
along
with
the
historic
structure.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
the
Harley
Clarke
estate
was
one
of
the
few
private
properties
from
Chicago
area
that
was
included
in
professor
Leonard
Eaton
seminal
book
landscape
artists
in
America
enjoy
your
your
two
minutes
are
Robi.
Okay,
there's
three
pages
in
this
book.
Please
get
a
copy
of.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Good
evening
I'm
Audrina
Finnegan,
the
Harley
Clark
House,
is
an
important
part
of
the
cultural
history
of
Evanston
I've
come
here
to
speak
for
myself
and
many
other
artists
who
love
this
place.
I
first
came
to
the
Evanston
Art
Center,
when
I
was
14
to
study.
Printmaking
I
was
fascinated
by
the
house
and
spent
years,
exploring
it
and
taking
many
classes
in
various
parts
of
the
building
fetching
classes
in
the
master
bedroom.
L
On
the
second
floor,
photography
in
the
basement,
drawing
in
the
ballroom
on
the
third
floor,
the
house
itself
was
my
instructor
I
felt
transformed
by
my
time
there
I
first
learned
to
teach
in
the
Harley
Clark
house
and
I
taught
there
for
15
years.
Making
art
and
teaching
have
been
my
life's
work.
Many
of
my
former
students
have
been
writing
to
me
wondering
what
will
happen
to
this
place.
That
was
at
the
center
of
our
artistic
lives
for
so
long.
L
So
many
artists
had
their
first
shows
there,
myself
included
and
the
grand
setting
gave
us
the
feeling
that
we
had
joined
the
conversation
that
we
were
part
of.
A
real
community
artists
have
asked
me
questions
about
the
fate
of
the
house
as
though
it
is
an
old
friend
of
ours
who
was
in
the
hospital.
What's
the
president?
What's
the
prognosis
we
reminisce
about
better
days
share
old
photos.
There
are
marriages
and
children
that
wouldn't
exist
without
this
grand
house,
so
many
things
happened
because
the
Harley
Clark
house
was
a
magnet
for
creative,
curious,
warm-hearted
people.
L
The
beauty
and
serenity
of
the
Harley
Clark
house
gave
me
a
sense
of
the
seriousness,
the
importance
of
making
art
we
make
art
and
houses
for
many
reasons,
to
communicate
with
each
other
and
with
the
future,
to
shelter
and
give
solace
to
be
our
best
selves
to
find
a
home.
This
is
a
place
that
was
home
for
many
generations
of
artists.
We
created,
learned
and
lived
there.
If
this
house
is
torn
down,
the
empty
space
will
be
a
sadness
wound.
Evanston
needs
places
where
its
citizens
can
gather
and
experience
a
sense
of
calm
and
well-being.
L
L
A
M
Evening,
madam
chair
and
Commission,
thank
you
for
being
here
this
evening.
I
want
to
speak
I'm
Tom,
Hodgman
I'm
on
the
board
of
Evanston
lake
house
and
Gardens,
the
nonprofit
that
the
city
accepted
an
RFP
response
from
and
then
declined
to
enter
a
lease
with
that
you
heard
about
earlier.
I
want
to
speak
to
the
cultural
significance
of
the
building
and
also
the
assertion
that
it
would
require
great
difficulty
or
expense
to
repair.
You've
heard
a
lot
about
the
cultural
significance
already
just
to
highlight
the
future
cultural
significance.
M
1500
people
are
on
our
email
list.
800
people
follow
us
on
Facebook
we've
received
over
140
individual
donations
towards
support
of
repurpose
and
reused
to
the
mansion.
20
hundred
individuals
signed
a
petition
asking
the
council
to
not
demolish
the
building,
as
well
as
all
the
people
who
signed
the
petition
related
to
the
referendum.
In
addition,
there
are
many
organizations
throughout
the
community,
the
state
and
nationally
the
support
saving
Harley
Clark
due
to
its
significance.
This
includes
the
preservation
League
of
Evanston
design,
Evanston
Central
Street
neighbors,
southeast
Evanston
Association,
the
northern
Illinois.
M
Historically,
black
marks
Illinois
the
National
Trust
for
Historic
Preservation.
The
cultural
landscape
foundation,
open
lands,
Jensen
ecology,
the
Liberty
Prairie
foundation,
Alliance
for
the
Great
Lakes
Lake,
dance
district,
65
third-grade
teachers
with
Western
center
for
water
research
and
US
representative
jan
Schakowsky,
to
name
a
few
on
the
topic
of
great
expense
and
difficulty.
The
city
has
had
many
opportunities
to
pursue
renovation
of
the
building
they
allocated
to
$50,000
in
2016,
which
they
never
spent
and
2016.
They
were
also.
M
They
also
directed
the
city
to
open
an
account
with
the
and
Parks
Foundation
to
accept
donations
towards
the
building
to
augment
that
$250,000.
That
account
was
never
opened.
The
city
has
not
applied
for
any
grants,
many
of
which
are
available.
People
have
offered
to
write
the
grants
for
the
city
they
had
declined.
We
had
an
opportunity
with
a
three
year
period
to
raise
funds
to
restore
the
building.
They
declined
and
chairs.
Time
is
up
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Michael
Angelo,
Sabatino
and
I'm.
The
Dean
of
the
architecture
school
at
the
Illinois
Institute
of
Technology
I
speak
as
an
educator
and
as
historian
saying
that
demolishing
a
significant
part
of
the
architectural
landscape
and
social
history
of
Evanston
in
Chicago
will
attract
negative
press
and
condemnation
from
around
the
country
is
not
a
coincidence
and
Julia
Bachrach
I
already
mentioned
cultural
landscape
foundation
based
in
Chicago,
has
already
listed
the
Harley
Clarke
and
Gardens
as
threatened
thanks
to
the
efforts
of
illuminated
organizations
and
foundations
based
in
Chicago.
N
A
markable
number
of
historic
homes
have
been
repurposed
over
the
past
decades,
recall
how
the
Society
of
architectural
historians,
spearheaded
the
preservation
and
reuse
of
the
Charlie
Persky
house,
and
how
the
Graham
foundation
for
the
Fine
Arts
adopted
the
same
approach
for
the
mad
owner
house.
After
reviewing
the
Evanston
preservation,
ordinance,
Ivy
Standards,
one
two
and
three
are
highly
relevant
criteria
to
consider
when
arguing
against
demolition
standard.
One
demolishing
a
building
in
garden.
Landscape
of
significance
would
indeed
deprive
histone
Evan
stone,
Ian's,
Chicagoans
and
Americans
of
an
important
part
of
their
collective
memory
standard.
N
Since
the
property
engages
the
Lake
Michigan
shoreline,
it
is
distinctly
part
of
development
of
Evanston's
built
a
natural
environment
standard
3.
By
demolishing
a
part
of
your
history,
you
wouldn't
undermine
a
rigorous
preservation,
ordinance
and
open
it
up
to
future
threats,
and
in
closing,
although
I
am
relatively
new
to
Chicago
and
I've,
come
to
really
appreciate
the
communities
of
the
North
Shore
in
large
part
because
of
their
historic
houses
and
gardens
I,
encouraging
members
of
the
Preservation
Committee
of
the
city
of
Evanston
to
continue
to
serve
as
a
responsible,
kudos
Cousteau
of
our
collective
heritage.
O
You
very
much
I
had
to
follow
Michael
Angelo
I've
got
many
friends
and
colleagues
that
are
on
this
commission
that
are
in
this
room
and
I
just
want
disclose
I'm,
no
relation
to
Carl
every
time.
I
go
back
to
this
house.
I
first
went
looked
at
a
2009
and
I
looked
at
the
steel
windows.
The
pricing
I
came
up
with
was
a
quarter
of
what
the
city
has
proposed,
that
the
steel
windows
are
going
to
cost
they're,
grossly
exaggerated
every
time
I
go
back.
There
I
find
something
else.
O
Special
landmarks
asked
me
to
take
another
look
at
it
after
I've
seen
it
dozens
of
times
over
the
past
27
years,
half
of
which
I've
spent
in
and
out
of
working
and
living
in
Evanston
I
saw
all
kinds
of
new
details.
I've
never
seen
before
every
stone
is
different.
The
coining
all
the
texture
on
the
coining
is
different.
It's
a
diaper
pattern.
Here,
it's
a
basket
weave
there.
O
I
P
Evening,
commission
members
I'd
like
to
just
talk
about
a
couple
of
standards.
Tonight
the
standards
are
the
only
criteria
that
you
can
use.
Of
course,
in
voting
for
this
demolition
first
standard
as
it
relates
to
architectural
significance
or
archaeological
archeological
significance.
The
harlot
club
mansion
has
been
the
titular
gateway
to
Evanston
when
entering
our
city
from
the
north.
You
know
your
luck
will
met
when
you
pass
a
high
temple
and
or
entering
Evanston.
P
When
you
come
upon
this
gracious
architectural
gem
scores
of
citizens
have
derived
the
benefit
of
gazing
at
the
stately
emphasis,
which
is
one
of
only
two
such
houses
available
to
the
public
in
our
city,
the
architectural
style
sort
of
modified
French
country
house
has
very
few
examples
remaining
in
the
region.
These
reasons
it
does
not
meet
standard
number
one.
The
standard
number,
four,
whether
the
property
can
be
reproduced
without
great
difficulty,
as
a
practicing
restoration,
architect,
I'm
involved
in
the
everyday
process
of
salvaging
these
structures
and
overseeing
the
repair
of
them.
P
The
design,
as
mentioned
earlier,
is
unique,
and
only
one
of
a
handful
of
similar
examples.
The
notion
of
attempting
to
reproduce
a
structure
like
this
with
the
craftsmanship
that
is
so
evident
would
take
an
army
of
craftsmen
which
are
now
in
short
supply
because
of
this
demolition
does
not
meet
requirement
or
standard
number.
Four.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
Q
Good
evening,
I'm,
here
to
speak
to
standard
number,
five
I've
spent
the
better
part
of
the
last
twenty
eight
years
working
for
Wiss
Janney
Elsner,
which
is
a
firm
that
evaluates
essentially
the
overall
integrity
and
stability
of
buildings
of
all
different
sizes
in
all
different
ages.
In
2016
myself,
my
colleague
on
behalf
of
landmarks
Illinois
reviewed
the
house
specifically
the
foundation,
the
exterior
walls,
the
roof
floor
structure
of
the
roof
structure,
with
the
primary
goal
being.
What
is
the
general
condition
of
the
building?
Q
What
we
came
back
with
after
spending
the
better
part
of
the
day
was
that,
overall,
the
building,
a
good
condition.
It
was
in
need
of
some
maintenance,
but
that
would
be
expected
for
a
91
year
old
building.
Nothing
unusual
from
that
perspective.
So,
for
all
the
building
is
in
very
good
condition,
especially
given
the
age
of
the
building.
Thank.
I
R
R
I
looked
at
the
property
this
year
from
the
exterior
did
a
limited
structural
condition
assessment
for
what
could
be
seen
from
the
exterior,
given
that
there
was
no
interior
access
and
we
observed
no
conditions
that
indicate
the
building
is
in
danger
or
in
hazard
to
persons
or
property
on
the
exterior
yeah.
From
what
we
can
see.
We
looked
at
walls,
we
looked
at
roofs,
chimneys
and
balconies,
and
everything
that
we
saw
indicated
that
there
was
no
structural
damage.
R
The
extent
of
what
we
saw
was
items
that
should
be
done
underneath
the
maintenance
program
and
therefore
we
provided
those
recommendations
in
the
letter
to
you
that
was
provided.
But
again
we
have
not
seen
anything
that
indicates
the
building
is
a
danger,
imminent
hazard
to
persons
or
property
on
the
exterior.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
S
I'm
Brad
white
and
I'm,
the
co-author
of
the
preservation
ordinance
with
a
previous
Preservation
Commission
and
City
Council
and
and
I'm
a
resident
of
Evanston
and
I
guess
I
just
have
to
start
out
as
I'm
embarrassed.
The
presentation
by
the
city
shows
a
total
lack
of
respect
for
the
Preservation
Commission
for
this
process.
There
isn't
an
ounce
of
expertise.
S
No
information
on
how
much
the
costs
are
no
information
and
what
the
financial
hardship
is.
Nothing,
no
experts,
no
nothing
and
finally,
I'd
like
to
focus
on
on
six
on
standard
six.
There
is
no
plan.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
heard
that
we're
going
to
go
back
to
what
it
looked
like
in
1873,
I've
heard,
I've
heard
we're
gonna
restore
the
grounds
I've
heard
we're
gonna,
restore
the
landscapes,
I
heard
Jen's,
Jensen's
important
and
now
we're
going
back
to
1873
and
there
isn't
even
a
picture
of
it.
S
G
Good
evening
my
name
is
Emily
Barton
and
I
work
for
the
city
of
Chicago's
historic
preservation;
division
reviewing,
among
other
things,
adaptive
reuse
projects,
but
I'm.
Here
tonight.
As
an
informed
and
concerned
citizen
I
wrote
my
master's
thesis
on
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
in
2016,
just
after
the
building
was
vacated
by
the
Evanston
Art
Center.
G
My
thesis,
which
I
just
handed
out,
examines
the
remarkable
history
of
the
mansion,
a
brief
conditions,
assessment
evaluating
the
status
of
the
exterior
and
multiple
proposals
for
adaptive
reuse
due
to
access
restrictions
imposed
upon
the
building
by
the
city
of
Evanston.
After
multiple
requests,
I
was
unable
to
view
and
properly
assess
the
interior
spaces.
While
writing
my
thesis
but
entered
the
building
during
the
one
day
open
house
in
August
2016
photos
attached
now.
G
My
job
requires
I
going
a
lot
of
abandoned
buildings,
I've
flown
through
floorboards
on
more
than
one
occasion
and
while
I'm
not
a
licensed
architect
or
engineer.
Although
you've
just
heard
from
some
I,
never
once
felt
unsafe,
exploring
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
and
when
I
was
finally
allowed
in
I
examined
every
inch
I
could
penetrating
moisture
caused
by
organic
growth
has
affected
the
exterior
masonry
in
costs.
Falling
the
historic
wood
windows
require
extensive
repair.
G
I,
don't
believe
this
is
any
worse
a
condition
than
many
of
the
buildings
currently
undergoing
repair
and
restoration
in
the
city
of
Chicago
and
across
the
country.
There
are
numerous
examples
of
historic
residential
properties
receiving
a
second
life
there,
adaptive
reuse,
the
Colvin
house
just
six
miles
south
on
Sheridan
Road,
currently
serves
as
co-working
and
event
space.
G
The
mad
ler
house
and
Charlie
Persky
house
in
the
Gold
Coast
are
now
being
used
as
libraries,
galleries
and
educational
spaces
as
the
headquarters
for
the
graham
foundation
and
the
Society
of
architectural
historians,
the
Nickerson
mansion
is
home
to
the
successful
treehouse
Museum.
The
wheeler
cone
house
on
the
near
south
side
is
a
boutique
hotel
and
event
space
proclaiming
that
there
are
no
viable
uses
for
the
Harley
Clark
and
here
in
time
is
done.
Emily
a
policy.
T
Hello,
I'm
Mary
McWilliams
I've
been
involved
with
the
preservation
Evanston
preservation
program
since
1976
under
the
guidance
of
architectural
historian,
dr.
C,
William
Westfall,
a
Preservation
Commission
began
identifying
historic
Evanston
buildings
in
the
late
1970s
and
in
1981
named
the
Harley
Clark
house
in
Evanston,
landmark
under
three
criteria.
The
building
exhibited
a
high
quality
of
architectural
design,
exemplified
the
work
of
a
prominent
architect
and
exhibited
a
distinctive
design.
Demolishing
this
building
would
be
detrimental
to
the
public
interest
income.
Contrary
to
the
public.
T
Welfare
number
to
standard
to
the
character
of
a
community
is
not
determined
by
the
work
of
architectural
stars.
The
frank,
lloyd
wright's
of
the
world,
those
architectural
stars
comprise
a
select
group
whose
buildings
by
their
rarity,
become
the
architectural
centerpiece
in
a
community.
Rather
it
is
the
work
of
many
talented
architects
who
did
not
receive
architectural
started
that
defines
the
built
character
of
a
community.
Their
well
designed
buildings
are
the
essence
of
historic
districts
in
places
like
Evanston.
T
Architectural
historian,
Susan
Benjamin
and
identified
18
French,
eclectic
style
buildings
in
the
district
and
declared
the
Harley
Clark
house
to
be
the
grandest
French
eclectic
style
house
in
the
district.
The
Harley
Clark
house
is
an
important
visual
feature
of
both
Sheridan
Road
and
the
Northeast
Evanston
historic
district.
The
building
contributes
to
the
distinctive
architectural
character,
the
district
as
a
whole
and
would
and
should
be
preserved
for
the
benefit
of
Evanston
for
43
years.
T
The
purpose
and
intent
of
the
Evanston
preservation
program
has
been
to
identify
historic,
Straw
instance
structures
and
make
every
effort
to
protect
those
structures
from
inappropriate
alterations
or
demolition.
The
Preservation
Commission
has
consistently
worked
with
applicants
to
come
to
reasonable
in
our
actually
appropriate
solutions.
Applications
to
demolish
heaven-sent
buildings
are
rare,
historic,
Evanston
buildings.
The
Commission
has
tried
to
find
alternate
marriage,
and
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
U
U
V
Good
evening
tonight
you
are
hearing
from
many
people
about
the
benefits
of
preservation.
Also,
they
are
delineating
why
the
city
of
Evanston,
sapp
location,
does
not
meet
the
criteria
for
demolition
under
the
preservation.
Ordinance
I
wanted
to
remind
you
what
the
two
thousand
city
of
Evanston
comprehensive
general
plan
states
about
preservation.
The
comprehensive
plan
was
cited
and
relied
on
by
the
illinois
appellate
court
in
2015
as
a
codified
plan.
V
The
plan
states
quote
historic:
preservation
continues
to
be
a
scarce,
a
source
of
civic
pride
for
Evanston,
with
the
vital
preservation
community
and
with
a
rich
architectural
heritage.
Evanston
remains
at
the
forefront
of
the
movement
to
preserve
individual
buildings
in
historic
districts
that
show
outstanding
architectural,
historical
and
cultural
merit.
It
goes
on
to
say,
Evanston
should
seek
to
preserve
the
structures
and
environments
which
have
given
the
community
much
of
its
physical
appeal
and
special
visual
character
and
intangible,
but
equally
important
value
is
the
sense
of
history
given
to
those
who
live
here.
V
The
shared
history
of
a
land
of
landmark
homes
gives
continuity
continuity
to
the
entire
community.
The
loss
of
such
buildings
would
affect
all
of
us,
not
just
a
few
areas
or
individuals,
as
you
review
the
city's
application
for
a
CoA.
According
to
the
standards
for
review
of
demolition,
stated
in
the
city's
preservation,
ordinance,
I
hope
you
will
follow
what
the
codify
2,000
city
of
outstand
comprehensive
general
plan
states
and
denied
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition
of
the
Harley
Clark
mansion,
our
beloved
City
asset.
Thank
you
thank.
I
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Laurie
Keenan
and
I
live
in
the
seventh
Ward.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
tonight,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
thousands
of
citizens
of
Evanston
who
support
the
preservation
of
Harlech
Ark
and
our
citizen
group
save
harlot
Clark.
We
strongly
believe
that
the
demolition
pilot
Clark
is
wholly
inappropriate
and
my
words
here
tonight
represent
not
just
my
voice,
but
the
voices
and
interests
of
this
not
only
this
organization,
but
of
the
more
than
86%
of
Evanston
residents
who
voted
to
preserve
and
a
city
sponsored
and
citywide
poll.
W
When
our
current
mayor
chaired
his
for
the
first
Harley
Clark
citizens
committee
in
2015,
I
also
represent
the
thousands
of
citizens
who
have
come
to
meetings
over
the
course
of
the
last
seven
years.
I
represent
the
second
Harley
Clark
citizens
committee
that
recommended
that
the
city
move
forward
with
a
plan
for
adaptive
reuse
in
the
more
than
3,300
registered
Evanston.
Voters
who
signed
a
petition
in
just
ten
days
to
put
preservation
of
the
building
on
an
advisory
referendum.
W
To
put
the
issue
on
the
November
sixth
ballot
to
citizens,
groups
have
offered
to
pay
the
fifteen
thousand
dollar
annual
maintenance
fee,
meaning
that
Harley
Clark
is
not
a
financial
burden
to
the
city.
We're
currently
working
with
state
representative
Robyn
Gables
office
to
explore
a
plan
which
would
turn
the
building
into
arena
and
the
renowned
junctions
and
gardens
into
a
true
economic
engine
for
cultural
tourism.
W
We
reject
the
idea
that
it
is
appropriate
to
destroy
the
city
asset,
which
alderman
Judy
Fisk
said,
was
valued
at
more
than
three
thousand
three
million
dollars
in
an
interview
on
WTTW
just
a
few
years
ago,
especially
at
a
time
of
economic
hardship,
and
we
encouraged
the
city
that
might
find
a
way
to
use
the
mansion
as
a
fight
to
its
financial
benefit.
Carley
Clark
is
of
cultural
importance,
widely
supported
by
the
citizens
of
the
community.
W
I
X
Am
Sarah
shall
stuck
and
here
to
speak
to
the
fact
that
demolition
would
be
highly
detrimental
to
the
city,
the
public
interest
in
general
welfare
under
standard
one
I'm
here
as
an
art
historian,
whose
research
in
ancient
India,
where
the
experience
of
spatial
features
is
integral
to
their
meaning
several
of
speakers
and
in
their
toxin
in
their
their
written
statements,
have
named
countless
architectural
features
and
materials
of
the
house.
The
distinctive
features
down
to
the
lime,
putty
and
they've
talked
about
the
artistry
of
the
master
Mason's.
X
Others
have
stressed
how
this
structure
has
transformed
them
in
the
case
of
Audrina
Feniger
and
fostering
the
general
education
and
pleasure
of
the
people,
it
could
not
be
clearer
that
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
is
no
mere
pile
of
bricks,
as
one
of
our
aldermen
has
asserted.
But
my
point
is
really
to
talk
about
the
experiential
significance
of
Harley
Clark
buildings
provide
shelter
in
all
seasons
and
in
our
houses.
However,
humble
the
solid
walls
of
our
dwellings
allow
for
installation
of
lights
and
heating
systems
that
support
our
survival.
Our
pet
texture.
X
Fine
architecture,
on
the
other
hand,
provides
spaces
that
go
beyond
mere
shelter.
They
house
our
spirits
while
encouraging
them
to
Rome
and
to
soar,
and
this
is
what
happens
at
Harley
Clark
as
a
public
building.
Now
Harley
Clark
offers
such
experiences
to
the
people
of
our
community.
No
wonder
that
Audrey
was
inspired
and
empowered
to
feel
she
was
an
artist,
no
wonder
that
an
Genet's
field
trips
for
youth
Jobcentre
clients
included
the
opportunity
to
experience
the
mansion.
X
Y
Evening,
my
name
is
Alison
Tennant
Alamo
I'm
also
currently
worth
working
with
a
restoration,
architectural
and
structural
engineering
firm
here
in
Chicago
and
I'm,
also
an
alumni
from
Illinois
Institute
of
Technology
and
what
is
unique
about
this
estate
as
I
wrote
in
the
letter.
Is
this
kick-started
my
career
into
preservation?
This
is
one
of
two.
Y
We
gained
a
lot
of
recognition
and
it's
helping
the
community.
We
generated
a
lot
more
business
than
we
anticipated
so
treat
this
as
a
gem
treat
this
as
a
rarity
and
abuse
that
privilege,
because
I
guarantee,
if
you
have
stand
your
ground
and
support
this
estate,
you
were
going
to
have
a
greater
story,
a
greater
life
expectancy
for
the
area
and
a
true
joy
for
the
community
to
love
and
appreciate.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Z
Evening,
I'm
Gregory,
Dowell,
I'm
a
registered
architect
and
for
over
10
years
I
have
done
condition,
assessments
on
buildings
of
all
shapes
sizes
and
ages,
I'm.
Also
the
co-author
of
the
West
J
Neilson
report
that
we
did
on
behalf
of
landmarks,
Illinois,
so
I'm
here
to
affirm
what
Edgerrin
says
put
on
the
record
earlier,
that
the
condition
of
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
does
not
meet
their
criteria
for
standard
5.
Z
It
is
not
unsafe,
it
is
not
eminently
hazardous,
it
is
in
a
condition
where
it
can
be
restored
and
there
are
plenty
of
options
for
that
and,
if
not
as
we've
heard
the
money
is
there
to
mothball
it,
and
if
you
haven't
noticed
a
bunch
of
buildings,
lately
they've
been
mothballed
for
decades
like
the
old
post
office
and
Cook
County
Hospital
are
being
revitalized.
So,
if
you
can't
do
it
now,
you
can
wait
a
while,
but
if
you
demo
it
it's
gone
forever.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
AA
I'm
Nicole
cou
stock
member
of
the
lighthouse
Dunes
group.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
We
realize
it's
not
often
you
have
someone
up
here
advocate
advocating
in
favor
of
taking
something
down,
but
our
group
feels
that
by
removing
both
structures
at
2603
Sheridan
Road,
you
will
be
preserving
the
lakefront
and
spot
like
it's
spotlighting,
the
Grosse
Pointe
lighthouse.
As
you
know,
the
lighthouse
stood
for
more
than
50
years
before
the
Harley
Clarke
house
even
existed.
It
is
both
the
National
Historic
Landmark
and
listed
on
the
National
Historic
Register.
AA
We
argue
it
is
currently
being
obstructed
from
the
public
view
by
the
Harley
Clark
home
and
coach
house
two
buildings.
With
decades
of
deferred
maintenance,
the
city
of
Evanston
is
unable
to
afford
the
building
and,
as
a
result,
there
are
only
three
options
left
to
fund
any
proposed
renovations
and
annual
operation
costs.
You
have
taxes,
philanthropy
or
commercialization.
AA
AA
We
realize
this
is
a
difficult
decision,
but
removing
the
structure
can
also
be
the
right
decision.
It
results
in
parkland
that
is
freely
accessible
and
equitable
for
all
of
Evanston.
It
also
allows
City
Council
to
focus
its
attention
on
more
important
issues.
The
resulting
land
will
stay
public
forever
and
the
historic
Grosse
Pointe
lighthouse
will
shine
as
it
did
when
it
was
first
built.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AB
To
just
the
obstruction
of
the
lighthouse,
I
live
only
a
few
blocks
away
in
here.
I
am
filled
and
I
go
in
that
direction.
Almost
every
day
and
I
can
see
the
lighthouse
just
fine
I,
don't
see,
I
mean
the
lighthouse
is
absolutely
not
obstructed
by
the
building.
Since
the
lighthouse
is
right,
there
we'll
share
it
in
gold,
and
you
can
see
it
clearly.
I
don't
understand
that.
AB
The
city
had
allocated
funds
in
the
past
and
has
not
used
it.
So
I
think
that
the
city
has
always
had
a
feeling
of
getting
rid
of
this
property.
I
feel
that
there
is
a
digital
information
campaign,
for
that
was
clear
in
the
points
that
our
city
manager
brought
up
today,
for
example,
saying
that
the
upkeep
the
to
make
it
compliant
would
be
for
single-family
home
that
that
400,000,
the
figure
that
he
mentioned
well
I,
have
here
the
estimate
that
was
given
to
the
ad
sent
in
2012.
AB
For
that
figure
and
the
Art
Center
was
not
a
single
house.
It
was
an
organization.
I
was
in
the
Art
Center
myself,
since
I
was
teaching
and
taking
classes
at
the
Art
Center
in
just
before
they
left
and
the
house
was
in
no
danger.
I
find
it
very
strange
that
you
know
three
years
or
four
years.
The
house
would
have
deteriorate
to
the
point
of
being
a
danger
and
their
time
is
up.
AC
AC
I
have
travel
around
the
world
trained
by
companions
in
France
by
Masons,
in
Scotland,
in
an
island
and
what
I,
when
I,
look
at
the
mansion,
I
find
so
many
details
that
are
very
unusual
to
any
structures
in
America
there
I've
seen
most
of
my
work
today
is
training
other
Mason's
and
unfortunately,
it's
said
to
say
that
we
don't
have
good
Masons
that
will
be
able
to
build
such
a
beautiful
building
the
materials
that
I
find
in
this
building
from
mortar
to
the
brick
to
the
style
and
technique
of
of
offsetting.
These
are
very
unusual.
AC
I.
Consider
this
place
to
be
a
sanctuary
for
us
to
learn
about
the
traits
of
the
past.
I.
Consider
this
to
be
place
to
learn
about
the
quality
of
all
the
skill
about
the
pride
of
the
craftsmen
and
crafts
women
of
the
past.
I.
Consider
this
mentioned
to
be
a
place
to
admire,
enjoy,
and
all
from.
Thank
you
thank.
I
AD
Thank
you
I'll
keep
this
short
I'll
defer
to
the
experts
tonight.
I
think
a
lot
has
been
said
already
my
wife
and
our
40
year,
residents
of
Evanston
and
one
reason
we
chose
Evanston-
was
because
of
the
reputation
it
had
as
a
Preservation
City,
and
this
to
me
is,
like
a
previous
speaker
said,
as
an
embarrassment
I
think
we're
better
than
that
we're
better
than
tearing
it
down
and
I
think
there
are
many
alternatives
we
could
think
of.
Thank
you,
I'll
defer
to
my
wife
for
the
next.
Thank
you.
AE
Hi
I'm
barb
Darwin
Riley,
just
a
resident,
my
husband
and
I
just
recently
attended
open
house
Chicago
with
other
architectural,
significant
homes
that
have
been
repurposed,
and
we
were
absolutely
embarrassed
that
Evanston
has
become
a
laughingstock
with
the
thought
of
tearing
it
down
it.
Just
it
hurts,
and
it's
embarrassing
and
I
hope
that
Evanston
can
be
better
than
that.
AE
We
are
owners
of
a
house,
that's
older
than
her
Lee
Clark,
not
significant,
but
we've
been
held
to
all
kinds
of
standards
of
maintenance
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
the
city
is
allowed
to
just
let
something
sit
and
deteriorate
when
we
are
held
to
a
standard
that
the
city
is
not
held
to
I
know
there
was
money
allocated,
they
refused
to
use
the
money.
I
think
that
is
criminal
I,
don't
understand
why
people
can
throw
money
and
then
they
can
get
their
way.
That
I
hope
we
can
be
better
than
that
so
I
hope
you'll.
AF
Commission
I'm
Ally
Harned
a
second
Ward
resident,
who
has
become
deeply
involved
along
with
many
other
hard-working
volunteers.
With
the
efforts
to
save
this
house
through
the
citizen
organizations,
safe
Harley,
Clarke
Steve,
Hurley
Clarke
was
formed
in
July
2018
as
a
quick
response
to
the
possibility
of
demolition,
and
it's
very
existence
is
a
testament
to
standard
one,
as
it
shows
the
significance
to
the
vibrant
activist
and
highly
opinionated
community
of
Evanston.
AF
We've
raised
thousands
of
dollars
to
support
our
campaign
with
donations
not
only
from
Evanston
but
also
Oregon,
New,
York,
Wisconsin,
Pennsylvania
and
more,
and
we
didn't
have
to
shake
any
bushes
to
get
these
donations.
They
have
come
to
us.
One
of
our
greatest
supporters
is
an
uber
driver
who
enthusiastically
tells
her
riders
about
why
they
should
vote
YES
on
our
referendum
question.
So
if
you
get
a
ride
in
an
uber
with
power,
flags
in
literature
in
the
back
seat
enjoy
the
ride.
I
truly
believe
that
this
building
is
not
a
teardown,
not
even
close.
AF
AG
About
who
Harley
Clarke
was
I'd,
argue
that
there
isn't
a
single
person
in
this
room,
including
our
city
manager,
not
to
mention
many
of
our
children
parents
and
for
some
of
us,
grandparents
present
directly
benefited
from
Harley's
commitment
to
changing
the
way
people
learn.
Harley
Clarke
was
a
safe,
self-made
man
who
followed
his
passion,
made
and
lost
his
fortune
three
times
and
never
wavered
from
his
commitment
to
serve
and
give
to
others
through
philanthropy
education
and
the
betterment
of
society
locally
and
nationally.
AG
In
fact,
Harley
Clarke's
contribution
to
education
was
the
thing
that
allowed
the
National
Trust
for
Historic
Preservation
to
work
with
our
local
groups,
since
we
had
to
prove
national
relevance.
Harley
Clarke
was
an
educational
pioneer
who
championed
film
in
education
at
a
time
when
no
one
was
even
talking
about
such
things.
100
years
ago,
in
1918,
Mr
Clarke
started
the
Society
for
visual
education
and
personally
funded
a
study
in
Evanston
schools,
including
foster
school,
which
at
the
time
was
solely
african-american.
AG
This
successful
study
proved
the
worth
of
motion
pictures
in
education,
and
this
groundbreaking
curriculum
was
rolled
out
nationwide
in
1931,
while
living
in
Evanston
Harley
Clarke
was
a
fighter
for
and
an
innovator
in,
new
teaching
methodologies.
He
committed
he
committed
significant
personal
resources
in
time
to
advancing
movies,
with
sound
for
the
primary
purpose
of
Education
and
in
1930
Clarke
gain
control
of
Fox
films,
allowing
him
to
combine
his
resources
while
improving
educational
resources
and
yes
as
well.
He
mentioned
at
the
same
time
he
retained
his
role
as
the
president
of
utilities,
Power
and
Light
Corporation.
AG
In
addition
to
the
broad
support
of
public
education
causes,
the
Clarks
were
advective
philanthropists
in
Evanston
Chicago
and
Lake
Geneva,
focusing
on
horticultural
arts,
horticulture
arts
and
underprivileged
children.
They
were
life
members
at
the
Art
Institute
of
Chicago,
who
donated
heavily
to
the
theater
arts
and
repeatedly
opened
their
home
for
multifaceted
fundraisers
in
1931,
the
Clarkes
underwrote,
the
chicago
civic
shakespeare,
theatre
to
the
tune
of
$500,000,
the
equivalent
of
8.4
million
dollars.
Today
and
in
1933
Harley
was
a
benefactor
and
trustee
for
the
Century
of
Progress
World's
Fair
Exhibition.
AG
AH
AH
The
the
residents
have
shown
their
voices
to
that
they
want
to
save
the
mansion
and
use
the
mansion
and
it
wouldn't
cost
anything
extra
for
the
city
of
Evanston,
because
it's
privately
funded
it
seems
to
be
a
question
of
money.
I'm
embarrassed
for
the
presentation
of
the
city
manager.
I,
don't
understand
how
you
can
say
you
know
you
need
to
knock
this
down,
because
it's
gonna
save
the
city.
AH
Money
I
figured
out
that
you
have
approximately
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
new
projects
going
on
right
now,
don't
know
where
we're
getting
the
money
from
to
support
this
hundred
million
dollars
in
new
projects,
so
this
is
funded
by
its
privately
funded.
So
you
know,
and
it's
a
beautiful
building
and
people
are,
you
know
wanting
to
support
it.
So
I,
don't
know
why
we're
here,
please
save
the
mansion.
Thank.
I
AI
Good
evening,
thank
you
when
I
moved
to
Evanston
here,
26
years
ago,
I
caught
a
bus
that
kind
of
went
by
and
I
could
see
when
it
turned
that
was
the
201
going
to
Evanston
Hospital
now,
noise
sure
I
could
see
the
building
over
there
in
wonder
what
it
was.
Looked
it
up.
So,
okay,
the
Harley
mansion,
okay,
it's
over
there
figured
somebody
stayed
there
didn't
do
any
more,
looking
or
worried
about
it
or
asking
about
it.
In
2007,
I
went
back
to
the
library
found
the
building
and
I
saw
a
picture.
AI
I
said
this
should
be
my
house
at
that
time.
I
was
working
on
a
project
for
creating
permanently
affordable
housing.
Here
in
Evanston
today
we
have
20-some
a
permanently
affordable
housing
unit
here
in
Evanston
that
will
be
affordable
forever.
We
use
that
picture
in
our
promotion
and
said
this
is
my
house,
it's
my
dream
house,
but
this
is
the
house.
I
can
own
and
then
forgot
about.
It,
went
on
about
my
business
and
stuff
and
then
it
came
up
again.
Then
people
don't
art.
People
was
there.
AI
A
AJ
AJ
AJ
The
second
quote
from
Einstein:
it's
not
that
I'm,
so
smart,
it's
just
that
I
stay
with
problems
longer
we're
in
the
instance
you
know,
I'm
a
child
of
the
50s.
Just
add
water
and
mix
make
a
cake
make
anything.
Let's,
let's
not
go
to
1965.
Let's
now
go
to
the
50s.
Let's
work
on
this
to
our
elected
officials,
I.
Ask
that
you
allow
the
citizens
of
Evanston
to
stay
with
this
problem
longer
and
help
us
solve
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AK
Good
evening
I'm
Patrick
Donnelly
with
Evanston
Lake
House,
it's
nice
to
meet
you
all.
The
Historic
Preservation
Commission
I've
been
wondering
who
you
are
I'm
a
film
producer
and
I
put
three
years
into
this.
So
where
have
you
guys
been
I
would
like
to
know
what
you're
gonna
do
when
they
overrule
whatever
you
find
tonight.
I
just
assume,
there's
no
way.
You're
gonna
approve
this.
What
are
you
gonna
do
when
they
overrule
you,
because
you
guys
are
only
advisory
if
your
heart
is
in
historic
preservation,
are
you
going
to
help
and
join
the
cause?
AK
AK
Provision
895
talks
about
safety.
My
kids
were
in
that
building
when
it
was
supposedly
unsafe
and
when
they
say
there's
no
money
to
fix
it.
They
just
rehabbed
a
fountain
for
seven
million
dollars.
So
we
can't
hear
that
anymore.
I
know
we're
friends
here.
It
seems
like
we're
all
friends
here,
but
I
think
we
need
to
put
a
little
bit
more
effort
into
stopping
this
nonsense,
because
for
three
years
we
could
have
been
fundraising
and
fixing
this
building.
Thank
you.
AL
Thank
you,
members
of
the
commission,
I'd
like
to
speak
primarily
to
standard
by
with
a
nod
to
architectural
significance.
This
building
is
not
only
usable,
it
was
used
until
it
was
closed
by
the
city
for
the
previous
decade.
There
were
events
that
hosted
thousands
of
evan
stone.
Ians
I
have
a
list
of
just
ten
that
I
pulled
off
the
website
off
the
internet
that
well
between
2009
and
2015,
ranging
from
the
Evanston
Chamber
of
Commerce
to
the
Arts
and
Crafts
Expo.
That
was
a
regular
run
there
to
the
announcement
of
a
mayoral
candidate.
AL
Now
myself,
if
it
was
so
unsafe,
why
were
these
advertised
on
the
city
website?
Why
was
there
nothing
done
this?
The
building
was
in
good
condition
when
I
was
with
DNR,
when
we
made
an
offer
to
buy
the
property
I,
don't
believe
in
boondoggles
I,
don't
believe
in
making
offers
to
buy
things
that
are
falling
down
and
can't
be
saved.
AL
We
made
an
offer
and
we
made
a
substantial
offer,
the
details
of
which
have
never
been
given
to
the
people
of
the
city
of
Evanston,
because
it's
a
usable
building
and
because
the
Department
of
Natural
Resources
believes
in
conservation
and
the
fact
that
the
historic
preservation
agency
of
the
state
is
now
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
DNR
does
offer
more
possibilities
going
forward.
So
I'd
like
to
end
on
a
more
positive
note
than
my
friend
Patrick
I've
got
a
lot
of
experience
and
private
practice
relating
to
construction
and
I.
B
B
B
B
There
was
a
limit
suggested
by
impasse
by
the
City
Council
to
come
to
the
man
that
they
do
group
paid
all
the
costs.
It
was
not
included
in
a
memorandum
of
understanding.
So
therefore,
there's
no
limit.
The
cost
may
eventually
be
held
by
the
city
for
the
demolition
to,
as
many
people
said,
restoring
the
building
will
create
a
economic
engine,
not
only
jobs,
but
income
and
activity
that
will
bring
money
into
the
city
as
well
as
people
and
be
an
economic
engine,
not
a
a
big
problem.
B
Finally,
the
public
use,
as
I
said:
I've
lived
there
as
a
child.
At
five,
seven
old
mill
burned
the
building.
No
longer
there
bekasi,
the
Water
Works
has
built
a
reservoir,
but
if
the
building
stands,
the
lake
house
group
has
committed
to
bring
kids
in
from
and
in
adults
from
all
over
the
city,
so
the
access
to
the
lake.
At
that
point
it
would
be
a
place
where
black
brown
and
low-income
students
can
come
and
enjoy
themselves
at
the
beach.
B
I
A
AM
Keep
this
really
brief.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
to
quote
Bonnie
McDonough
from
landmark
llinois
that
demolition
should
never
really
be
considered,
especially
when
there
are
adaptive
reuse
plans
that
are
out
there.
I
am
here
to
read
a
portion
of
a
letter
written
by
someone
who
has
expressed
interest,
even
though
this
person
has
expressed
interest,
they
have
been
denied
access
and
so
to
also
tail
off
of
what
patrick
said.
It'd
be
really
great.
If
we
guys
had
your
support.
AM
This
is
a
building
that
changed
my
life
personally,
many
of
my
cohorts
growing
up
in
Evanston.
This
is
a
place.
That's
unique
in
the
fact
that
it
honors
learning
differences
it
as
one
of
the
rare
places
where
you
can
have
small
group
programming
where,
as
some
of
the
other
places,
that's
a
Robert
crown,
which
you
know
it's
poised
to
serve
a
lot
of
people
who,
like
that,
like
athletics,
there
aren't
as
many
places
of
Evanston
that
honor
the
people
who
have
you
know
and
are
more
sensitive
and
do
better
in
smaller
groups.
AM
A
C
Having
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
thank
you
is
listening
to
the
comments.
I
think
the
the
only
piece
that
I'd
like
to
clarify
is
the
money
that
will
be
out
the
City
Council
I
wasn't
allocated
for
the
building
of
$250,000.
That
money
was
instead
used
on
the
Fogg
houses,
so
the
council
made
the
decision
to
use
that
money
for
a
restoration
of
roof
work
and
other
what-the-fuck
houses.
Otherwise,
madam
chair
I
believe
everything
else
was
contained
in
our
original
presentation.
Thank.
A
With
that
I
think
we
heard
a
lot
tonight,
I
think
much
of
the
information
that
was
presented
by
all
of
the
speakers
really
addressed
a
lot
of
different
issues
associated
with
the
standards
men.
Much
of
this
information
obviously
was
included
in
our
packet
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
have
had
the
opportunity
to
take
to
review
that
the
city's
presentation
focused
essentially
on
a
couple
of
different
standards.
They
also
noted
financial
hardship
and
I.
Think
our
focus
at
this
session,
in
particular,
is
really
looking
at
the
preservation
specific
issues.
AN
Just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
madam
chair
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
question
that
or
clarify
whether
or
not
we
are
just
making
a
recommendation
and
how
much
weight
is
that
holding.
If
we
make
determination
tonight
that
we're
not
going
to
support
a
certificate
of
appropriation
for
demolition.
What
could
happen
after
that?
I
would
just
like
that
clarified
before.
AO
Chair
members
of
the
Commission
Alexandra
Wragge
assistant
city
attorney,
so
the
process
is
clarified
within
the
city
code
for
the
Preservation
Commission
and
what
you're
doing
here
is
certifying
providing
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
you're,
approving
or
denying
application.
So
it
is
a
final
administrative
decision
that
is
appealable
to
the
City
Council
or
the
applicant
can
revise
their
application
and
bring
it
back
and.
A
My
understanding,
as
well
as
that,
potentially
the
if
it
the
application,
is
denied
the
city
could
also
apply
for
either
a
certificate
of
economic
hardship
or
a
certificate
of
special
merit.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay
or
it
can
be
appealed
directly
to
the
City
Council.
If
there's
a
denial
correct,
those
would
be
the
three
options.
Thank.
I
B
AP
That
would
mean
that
over
that
period
of
time
the
city
would
have
been
responsible
for
many
of
the
issues
that
people
have
been
discussing
and
people
have
evaluated.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
that
tonight
and
it's
appeared
in
many
other
reports,
so
I
guess.
My
question
is
what
was
the
city
doing
regarding
the
maintenance
and
the
of
the
exterior?
Certainly.
C
I
cannot
speak
for
the
entire
time
that
the
Evanston
Art
Center
was
there.
It
is
my
understanding
that
there
were
periodic
of
upkeep,
mostly
two
windows,
mostly
two
issues
regarding
moisture
entering
the
building,
and
that
was
the
extent
of
the
exterior
improvements
that
were
made.
AP
AP
AP
AP
What
is
known
as
hazardous
and
dangerous,
having
trained
inspectors
for
the
city
of
Chicago
I
can
tell
you
what
I
know
what
is
hazardous
and
dangerous
and
there's
nothing
there.
That's
hazardous
and
or
dangerous
and
I
would
appreciate
a
comment
as
to
why
we
don't
have
anything
here
that
makes
that
case.
C
AF
AP
A
Looking
at
some
of
the
issues
there,
and
certainly
there
are
condition
issues
that
are
evident
in
in
the
building
and
also
reviewing
the
city's
information
that
you
just
referenced.
I
guess
from
my
standpoint,
I
didn't
find
any
issues
associated
with
the
physical
condition
that
would
necessitate
demolition.
In
my
mind,
I
also
want,
in
terms
of
a
couple
of
the
other
standards,
the
the
interior
of
the
building
and
the
features
and
the
interior
of
the
building
are
really
quite
extraordinary,
as
is
the
exterior
and
I
think
looking
at
it
as
a
historic
resource.
A
V
AN
AQ
AQ
Five
with
the
repairs
and
the
hazardous
conditions,
I
haven't
found
anything
to
support
that
in
that,
in
that
very
report
that
you're
using
specifically
it's
a
quoted
on
the
exterior
it
says
it
starts
with.
On
page
eight,
no
major
structural
deficiencies
were
observed
in
the
EAC
or
Evanston
Art
Center.
The
conditions
observed
are
generally
a
result
of
deferred
maintenance,
so
and
material
degradation,
which
I
think
has
been
sort
of
voiced
and
echoed
throughout
what
goes
on
in
the
interior.
AQ
The
the
other
thing
that
I
found
interesting
was
that
the
quote
for
430,000,
if
I
review,
that
budget,
which
is
all
it
was
also
presented
in
here,
it's
on
page
of
the
packet
on
page
331,
the
the
budget
is
a
preliminary
budget
for
code
compliance,
and
it
says
that
there
this
is
the
minimum
code
upgrades
for
no
change
in
use.
In
other
words,
the
Evanston
Art
Center
stays
is
what
it
says,
and
that
totals
430,000.
AQ
A
few
pages
after
that
it
talks
about
what
what
budget
would
be
required
for
providing
other
business
use,
and
it's
about
half
of
that
you
know
265
thousand,
so
it
seems
to
be
some
discrepancies
in
in
the
application
and
and
what's
being
referenced
in
terms
of
economic
hardship
and
as
Elliott.
My
co,
commissioner,
said
there
really
isn't
much
presented
there
beyond
that.
AN
AP
AQ
AP
I
I
AP
I
AQ
A
AQ
AN
AQ
AQ
We
kind
of
get
into
we're
here
we're
describing-
and
there
is
you
know,
I
found
it
interesting
to
to
be.
You
know
in
some
of
the
descriptions
that
are
mentioning
actually
you're,
passing
it
up.
I
think
so,
let's
see
so
page
5
I'm,
sorry,
you
can't
it
mentions
historic,
this
and
historic
that
which,
which
I
think
you
again
support
some
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
with
some
of
the
other
standards.
If,
if
you
move
to
page
8,
it
talks
about
the
exterior
condition
of
the
EAC,
in
other
words
the
Harley
Clark
mansion.
AQ
AQ
A
And
I
think
the
issue
is
this:
normally,
though,
our
typical
review
in
terms
of
the
standards
for
alteration
and
the
standards
for
construction
or
of
the
exterior
but
I
think
in
our
various
times,
going
through
the
building.
At
least
this
was
kind
of
my
personal
approach
was
really
taking
a
look
at
what
the
impact
of
some
of
those
interior
issues
mean
for
the
actual
building
or
structural
envelope,
and
how
that
how
that
plays
into
the
issue
of
demolition.
A
One
of
the
other
points
that
I
would
like
to
notice,
particularly
particular
to
standard
one,
which
is
perhaps
a
bit
more
generic,
but
it
gets
to
the
issue
of
the
Commission
what
the
Commission
itself
does
and
what
our
statement
of
purpose
is.
In
terms
of
you
know:
preserving
and
protecting
and
enhancing
and
encouraging
rehabilitation
of
buildings
as
well,
which
is
cited,
I
think
it's
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
ordinance
actually
so
other
observations
about
the
standards.
AQ
Q
AP
I
think
the
least
Janney
report,
which
is
much
more
recent,
pretty
much
establishes
that
the
condition
actually
is
as
good,
if
not
better
than
remember.
Anna's
here
indicated
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
they're
there
that
that
part
of
it
was
an
issue
I
think
in
terms
of
the
standards,
Diane
and
I,
don't
want
to
read
it
Anna.
She
never
had
time,
but
I
think
that
those
who
have
read
where's
Mary
Mary's
document.
U
AP
AQ
C
As
part
of
the
discussions
with
the
lighthouse
Dunes
group
and
the
MOU
that
we've
entered
into
there
are
costs
associated
with
that
there
I
could
pull
that
up
if
that
would
be
helpful.
Otherwise
it's
on
the
city's
website
to
see
what
Medicare,
which
is
it
worth.
Would
you
like
me
to
walk
through
those
those.
I
A
AQ
A
A
Karl
or
Jamie
or
Rob
or
Sally,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
city
minute
with
Jamie
I?
Don't.
AR
AS
I
think
it's,
you
know
really
critical,
that
people
actually
see
the
inside
of
the
house
and
since
a
lot,
I
only
saw
it
on
Saturday.
For
the
first
time,
I
mean
it's
incredible.
So
like
we're
not
reflecting
on
how
incredible
it
is
and
in
terms
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
standards
I,
don't
think
the
city's
proposal
meets
any
of
them.
I
mean
you
know
it's.
It
would
be
very
detrimental
to
the
public
interest
to
lose
this
house.
It
is
historic,
cultural
and
architectural.
AS
A
significant
number
two,
you
know
it's
a
big
part
of
what
makes
Evanston
feel
like
Evanston.
Is
that
sense
of
history
driving
on
Sheridan
Road
and,
like
that's
number
three
right,
it's
the
the
historic
church
like
that,
it's
in
number,
four,
as
the
you
know,
is
it
old
unusual
distinctive
I
mean
there's
nothing
like
it
like
how
many
pre
stock
market
crash
you
know
gilded
mansions.
Are
there
open
to
the
public
in
the
United
States?
In
that
instance,
so
I
mean
it's
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
how
we
could
ever
even
consider
this.
AN
Don't
have
any
I,
don't
have
any
questions,
you
know,
I'm,
not
an
architect
didn't
know.
Actually,
my
experience
in
architecture
was
with
Peter
Holston
he's
a
affordable
housing
developer
in
Chicago,
and
he
took
a
couple
of
buildings
back
in
the
early
90s
and
and
repurposed
them
or
adaptive
use.
He
actually
turned
one
into
an
SRO.
The
Midwest
Hamlin
in
my
own
neighborhood,
where
I
grew
up
in
Garfield,
Park
and
245
unit.
AN
We
weren't
able
to
do
anything
with
the
stuff
in
the
sub-basement,
but
we're
able
to
provide
housing
for
people-
and
you
know
I-
think
about
I
had
not
been
in
the
Harley
Clark
mansion
until
Saturday
I'm,
sad
to
say,
and
you
know,
I
live
in
the
eighth
ward
by
the
way,
so
I'm
not
on
this
end
a
whole
lot,
except
for
coming
to
the
Civic,
Center
and
Chandler,
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
not
a
whole
lot
around
that
area.
But
it
was
breathtaking.
AN
It
was
undeniable
that
and
I
was
walking
around
with
an
architect.
So
I
was
asking
a
lot
of
questions
about
things
that
I
didn't
know,
but
I
was
struck
by
the
building
and
I
was,
you
know,
I
said
wow.
This
is
this
is
a
really
cool
building
and
you
know,
according
to
the
the
standards
especially
standard,
five
I
did
not
see
structurally,
where
you
know
and
I
was
in
the
basement
and
I
was
looking
for
cracks.
I
was
looking
for
where,
where
is
their
spot?
I
A
AT
Evaluate
buildings
for
site
structure
and
interiors
of
my
new
property
condition
assessments
as
a
profession
as
an
architect,
but
I
wanted
and
I
was
inside
the
building
on
Saturday
and
saw
very
little
if
any
structural
damage
that
some
abutments
on
the
outside
some
failing
mortar,
perhaps
a
little
bit
on
the
exterior,
but
we
were
up
in
the
attic.
We
went
all
the
way
up.
AT
You
can
see
what
the
city
has
repaired
some
boards
and
the
wood
deck
we
didn't
see
any
major
leaks,
I
think
there
was
one
minor
leak,
they've
maintained
the
boiler:
it's
been
inspected,
it's
good
until
2019
the
electrical
work
was
redone
when
the
Arts
Center
moved
in
according
to
a
conversation,
I
had
with
the
head
of
the
Art
Center,
so
I
did
want
to
just
say
that
in
concurrence
with
what
others
have
also
said
that
they
observed
last
Saturday.
I
also
wanted
to
comment
very
briefly
on
its
cultural
significance.
AU
Here's
my
observation,
I,
continue
to
be
very
concerned
that
this
building
is
not
being
maintained
in
any
way
there
I
was
through
the
building.
There
is
garbage
that
is
sitting
in
a
garbage.
Can
there
was
it's
there
were?
There
was
air
conditioners
that
were
just
sitting
in
the
attic
space?
There
was
a
door
onto
a
balcony
with
a
giant
opening
at
the
bottom
or
snow
will
get
in.
So
the
continued
delay
of
any
action
on
just
maintenance
to
this
building
will
just
continue
to
allow
this
building
to
deteriorate.
It
is
unforgivable.
AV
To
speak,
glass
and
wrap
it
up,
I
guess
the
five
standards
for
demolition
all
clearly
apply
to
this
application.
I
have
seen
nothing
presented
to
justify
the
demolition
under
any
of
these
five
standards.
It's
it's.
The
first
four
all
relate
to
its
significance
and
architectural
character
and
uniqueness
I
think
that's
it's
very
clear
that
it's
a
significant
building.
AV
It's
a
significant
piece
of
architecture,
it's
a
unique
design
and
it
and
it
would
be
a
great
loss
to
the
city
if
it
were
demolished
and
under
number
five
I
agree
with
many
other
of
the
experts
that
have
seen
it
that
it's,
in
surprisingly
sound
condition
and
could
very
easily
be
protected
in
mothballed.
For
five,
even
ten
years
we
figure
out
what
the
right
permanent
use
and
the
right
permanent
organization
to
use
the
building
would
be
and
come
up
with
that.
AP
It's
not
just
that
the
city
had
a
responsibility,
has
a
responsibility
and
has
had
one
for
a
very
long
time,
which
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
mentioned
about
stewardess
stewardship
of
this
building,
but
to
some
extent
it
also
applies
to
everybody
else
in
this
room
or
to
all
of
the
citizens,
because
this
is
all
part
of
it.
It's
not
about
economics.
It's
really
about
everything
that
all
of
us,
I,
I,
found
a
quote
this
evening
about
it
and
I
thought
I'd
copied
it
and
they
had
to
look
it
up.
AP
While
we
were
sitting
here
where,
where
the
person
says
it's
about
humanity
and
how
its
contained
in
the
man-made
world
around
us,
it's
about
the
old
ways
of
thinking
it's
about
the
old
ways
of
living.
It's
about
much
of
what
we
see
what
seems
to
have
vanished
from
the
world
we
live
in
today,
and
that's
it
thanks.
A
In
terms
of
the
finding
of
fact
an
essence,
we
found
that
the
city's
application
does
not
meet
any
of
the
standards,
am
I
correct
and,
as
part
of
this,
what
I
would
like
to
do
is,
as
part
of
any
motion
is
to
request
that
our
findings
of
fact,
based
on
the
discussion
that
we've
had
tonight
be
put
I,
want
a
direct
staff
to
prepare
a
report
to
that
effect.
That
would
be
reviewed
at
our
November
meeting
and
then
submitted
to
the
city
manager's
office
and
to
the
council,
or
whoever
I.
AP
A
I
think
that
what
we'll
do
is
ask
Alex
to
take
a
look
at
that
I'm,
not
sure
what
we
tried
to
do
with
that
was
to
make
sure
that
we,
it
wasn't
exactly
a
meeting,
and
so
that's
I
want
to
have
legal
counsel
way
and
on
that
particular
issue,
and
we
have
I
think
it's
Andrew
borage
to
say
you're.
We
have.
AP
A
Sorry,
Anthony
porch
I'm,
very
bad,
but
names
tonight
we
have
your
letter
and
what
we
will
do
is
make
sure
that
Alex
has
that
to
take
a
look
at
and
can
respond
to
that
sure
sure
I
I
think
we
understand
where
you're
coming
from
on
that
issue,
with
that,
if
we
could
entertain
a
motion
on
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
Carlos
is
going
to
instead
of
our
usual
way
of
I
nee
blah
blah
we're
going
to
have
a
we're,
gonna
have
a
roll
call
on
this
one.
Okay,.