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A
B
My
name
is
Dan
Coyne
and
I
live
in
the
Ninth
Ward,
since
you
are
spending
time
today.
Revising
and
discussing
the
council
rules
on
public
comments
and
ethics.
I
want
to
share
about
my
experience
with
the
recent
public
comment
at
Ridgeville
Park
District
on
March
14
during
public
comments.
Alderman
rainey
spoke
for
eight
minutes
during
our
Ridgeville
Park
District
Board
of
Commissioners
meeting
I
have
had
the
honor
of
serving
on
this
board
these
past
six
years.
One
of
the
most
concerning
comments
spoken
by
Alderman
Rainey,
was
quote.
B
Any
black
person
who
wants
a
porta
potti
in
their
backyard
is
stupid.
Unquote,
she
went
on
to
suggest
that
the
board
should
raise
taxes
via
referendum
instead
of
using
porta
potties
in
our
parks.
Ms
Rainey
also
stated
that
Commissioner
Rob
Beatty
doesn't
wear
big-boy
pants
in
his
role
as
our
vice
president
of
the
board
and
that
he
has
quote
set
on
his
big
boy
bottom
for
the
last
six
years.
Doing
nothing
well,
I,
disagree.
B
B
Mr.
Beatty,
the
very
first
african-american
elected
to
Ridgeville
Park
district
commissioners
has
honorably
served
our
community
and
all
of
us
are
better
because
of
it.
City
Council,
your
silence
and
filing
of
your
peers,
unethical
behaviors,
racial
slurs
and
outright
bullying
must
end.
This
citizen,
at
least,
will
not
remain
silent,
not
for
anyone,
regardless
of
their
perceived
power,
who
treats
our
citizens
with
such
disdain.
B
B
Is
this
the
kind
of
behavior
we
want
from
our
city
members
I'm
an
elected
government
servant
and,
just
like
you,
I,
affirm
to
abide
by
the
Constitution's
of
the
United
States
and
the
constitution
of
this
state
of
Illinois
I
am
guessing
that
we
all
agree
that
our
first
amendment
rights
of
free
speech
are
the
bedrock
of
this
great
experiment
and
democracy,
including
miss
Rainey's
words.
However,
when
an
elected
official
uses
racist,
hateful
and
libel
words,
she
needs
censorship.
B
C
A
C
You
had
to
have
been
there,
I
think.
Those
of
you
who
know
me
know
and
know
dan
Coyne
know
that
he
is
provocateur
and
what
you
heard
right
now
you
had
to
have
been
there
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
many
members
of
the
Ridgeville
board
objected
to
his
use
of
that
camera
during
that
board
meeting,
because
there
had
been
a
motion
that
he
not
be
allowed
to
use
that
camera,
because
the
Ridgeville
board
had
used
their
own
camera.
C
However,
he
knew
that
I
was
coming
because
I
was
coming
to
to
respond
to
a
fish
hateful
video
that
was
placed
online
and
mentioned
me
several
times
for
some
ungodly
reason.
I
don't
even
know,
and
his
point
was
that
the
Ridgeville
board
was
racist
and
all
sorts
of
things,
because
they
would
not
allow
porta-potties
in
parks,
and
my
comments
were
directed
mostly
to
mr.
Coyne,
not
to
mr.
Beatty
mr.
Beatty
sort
of
goes
along
for
the
ride
with
mr.
C
Coyne,
and
what
I
said
was
that
black
people,
white
people,
any
people
of
any
color
race,
creed
or
ethnic
background
or
income
level
did
not
want
porta-potties
in
their
backyard.
I
said
anybody
who
wanted
a
porta
potty
in
their
backyard
was
stupid.
I
stand
by
that
comment.
If
you
want
a
porta
potty
in
your
backyard,
then
you've
got
a
screw
loose
quite
frankly,
and
I
suggested
that
the
way
to
go
was
to
raise
money
through
a
referendum,
to
go
to
the
taxpayers
and
say,
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
my
comments
were
almost
exactly.
C
You
are
not
raising
enough
money
in
the
original
Park
District
to
really
provide
for
decent
infrastructure,
the
way
to
go
and
the
Ridgeville
Ridgeville
members
I'm,
one
of
them
I'm
a
taxpayer
in
Ridgeville.
Perhaps
we
support
raising
more
money
to
provide
ourselves
with
better
infrastructure.
What
have
you
two
done
in
the
last
six
years
to
provide
for
us
you've
done
nothing
but
complain.
C
Complain.
Complain,
complain
that
the
board
does
nothing.
You
are.
You
are
the
majority
on
the
board?
You've
done
nothing,
do
something.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
was
really
good.
You
should
have
been
there.
You
really
should
have
been
there
and
you
know
they
continue
to
complain
so
that
that
was
my
argument.
That
was
my
argument.
C
D
E
Evening,
Claire
Kelly
I
want
to
address
the
December
3rd
rules
committee
meeting,
not
the
time
that
was
allotted,
but
about
the
what
legal
presented
as
the
recommendations
from
the
Board
of
Ethics.
Only
two
of
the
recommendations
were
presented
that
evening
and
one
very
important
one
has
been
left
out
and
I
asked
that
you
have
the
discussion
vote
on
it
and
that
was,
and
I
can
read
it
to
you
right
here.
E
And
that
concerns
me
because
without
that
discussion,
there's
no
way
we
can
ensure
residents
that
that's
that
that
sort
of
thing
isn't
going
to
continue
to
go
on
what
happens
and
I.
Sometimes
it's
you
know,
forwarded
for
perfectly
benign,
maybe
even
beneficial
purposes,
but
we've
seen
a
lot
of
demeaning
remarks
made
putting
residents
town.
So
this
really
isn't
a
very
kosher
practice.
That's
going
on
with
our
City
Council
were
there
where
emails
are
forward,
so
I
think
that's
perfectly
reasonable.
I
recommend
by
the
port
of
ethics.
E
That
I
was
really
hoping
to
see
that
discussed
and
then
voted
on
to
ensure
citizens
that,
when
they
email
they'll
know
if
it's
going
to
be
forwarded,
simply
to
copy
them
and
again,
if
that
discussion
doesn't
happen,
what
happens
is
when
alderman
forward
residence
emails
and
put
them
down
and
to
mean
them?
This
casts
a
chill
on
our
Civic.
E
You
know
our
willingness
to
participate
civically,
which
is
something
you
would
want
to
encourage
your
residents
to
do
to
reach
out
to
their
elected
officials,
but
when
we
know
there's
a
good
chance
that
you
know
our
emails
could
be
sent
off
and
we
could
be
made
fun
of
it,
mocked
which
we've
seen,
and
that
was
the
reason
that's
they
made.
This
recommendation
was
because
Nancy
sranan
brought
it
that
was
her
complaint
was
about
being
mocked
in
an
email
and
she
and
others
have
been
mocked.
So
I.
E
A
You
thank
you.
Thank
you,
I
just
think
in
a
moment
of
reflection.
After
that,
I
have
those
same
concerns
and
our
concerns
are
voiced,
but
on
the
other
side
of
that
is
the
number
of
emails
that
are
Foyet
so
I.
You
may
not
see
it
the
same
way
but
I
understand
your
concern.
Thank
you,
Charles
Sutton,
Charles
Charles,
oh
Carlos,
sorry,
my
apologies.
D
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Rules
Committee
Carlos
Sutton
1821
Darrow
Avenue
Evanston
Illinois
Ward
5
I'm
here
this
evening
to
address
any
kinds
of
amendment
that
might
be
made
to
consideration
of
citizen
comment
at
this
time.
I
don't
think
there
should
be
any
movement
of
any
kind
to
limit
or
diss
minish,
the
public's
ability
to
make
comments
at
committee
or
City
Council.
The
sufficient
law
should
remain
without
any
changes.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
F
A
couple
of
items
the
discontinuation
of
administration
in
public
works
committee,
I
read
what
was
in
here
and
clearly
do
not
understand
why
you
do
not
want
to
have
the
discussions
on
the
bits
and
things
and
the
money
and
how
it's
spent.
What
comes
in
what
you
buying
what
you're
selling,
which
all
takes
place
in
the
public
works
committee,
now
I,
understand
and
realize,
when
you're
trying
to
convene
into
hotel
your
time,
but
I've
been
at
a
MPW
meeting
swing.
There
have
been
a
long
meeting
the
discussion
and
who
was
at
that
meeting.
F
There
was
a
developer,
submitting
something
staff
submitted
a
report
and
there
was
maybe
one
staff
person
and
the
P
and
D
meeting
activists
started
about
7:30,
something
to
8:00
y'all
discussed
that
which
was
good.
But
people
at
that
meeting
didn't
come
to
say
anything,
but
they
had
the
opportunity
to
see
what
she
was
talking
about
and
hearing
discontinuing.
This
is
disallowing
and
taking
away
their
right
to
hear
and
see
how
you
spend
their
money.
The
setting
is
starting
off
the
City
Council
meeting
they've
been
all
over
the
place.
F
It
should
be
a
set
time
if
it's
such
that
you
can't
do
it,
then
you
might
want
to
think
about
having
them
on
different
dates.
Your
P
and
D,
and
a
P
and
W
can
be
maybe
that
money
you
have
the
council
meeting
that
Tuesday,
the
a
P
and
W
and
the
P
and
B
meeting
would
be
where
the
committee,
the
people
in
the
community
could
have
their
discussion
and
everything
and
you
can
discuss
later.
F
If
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
then
we
have
a
system
that
is
poor
and
we
need
to
live
with
it
and
the
community's
speaking
at
meeting
I
was
at
a
zoning
meeting
game
plan
and
they
had
a
zoning
change
that
they
was
there.
So
I
was
there.
I
talked
we
kind
of
like
back
and
forth,
and
one
of
the
Zoning
Commission
came
to
me
and
say
well
I'm
glad
you're
here,
and
you
brought
this
up
because
you
gave
us
a
lot
to
think
about
what
they
talked
about.
F
I
did
forward
it
to
alderman
Fitz,
and
it
has
to
do
okay
with
a
change
in
residential
care
and
what
the
staff
was
Reverend
in.
Holding
that
decision
own
of
decision
that
waiting
to
come
from
Springfield
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
sick.
The
reason
that
you
must
have
looking
at
it
as
to
what
the
distance
should
be
between
them
I
think
we
need
to
stop
rushing
things.
It's
okay
to
have
it
don't
have
to
have
it
one
week
we
have
it
introductory
the
next.
F
G
A
G
April
Fool's
Day,
okay,
seriously,
we're
still
asking
for
feedback
on
public
comments
and
wanted
to
know
if
you
discussed
a
format
that
would
allow
this
to
take
place.
I
appreciate
all
of
your
updates
on
robber
crown,
but
we
are
still
waiting
to
hear
how
this
will
affect
our
budget.
As
of
today's
date,
do
we
have
a
balanced
budget?
Do
we
need
to
start
looking
for
ways
to
cut
expenditures?
I
thought
we're
supposed
to
work
together
as
a
community
and
make
decisions
together
as
a
community.
G
It
is
very
disturbing
to
hear
people
say
that
council
members
make
the
final
decisions
and
set
in
such
a
way.
That
makes
me
feel
that
we
don't
have
a
choice
or
a
voice
in
what
decisions
are
made
by
council.
Why
are
you
continuing
to
change
the
rules
for
public
comment?
I,
don't
think
this
follows
the
purpose
and
intent
of
this
process.
Do
you
feel
this
will
shorten
your
meetings?
I
agree
that
council
meetings
are
too
long.
G
I
do
know
how
they
can
be
shorter,
I
agree
with
Miss
Esther
when
the
packet
is
five
to
six
hundred
pages
long
and
you're.
Only
given
two
to
three
days
to
read,
digest
and
make
a
decision,
I,
believe
the
process
of
discussing
and
making
a
decision
would
be
so
much
more
efficient
and
beneficial
to
everyone.
If
you
would
consider
the
input
from
everyone
and
be
able
to
make
compromises
before
it
comes
to
city
council
meetings,
it
looks
like
the
processes.
Flawed
needs
to
be
fixed.
G
Most
projects
are
discussed
for
months
and
some
for
years
it
seems
it
would
be
to
everyone's
benefit,
to
have
the
community
input
throughout
the
process
instead
of
limiting
it.
Please
let
us
know
what
we
can
do
to
help
by
the
way
I
didn't
receive
any
any
notice
for
tonight.
Rules.
Committee
committee,
meeting
and
I
was
wondering
why
they
would
have
notices
for
every
kind
of
whatever's
going
on
in
Evanston.
I
received
notices
for
it,
and
that
was
missing.
So
can
we
make
our
model
the
city
that
works
together?
Thank.
H
How
about
we
balance
the
agendas
which
I
think
was
a
great
suggestion
that
ray
made
and
also
Betty
in
terms
of
introduction
and
action.
There's
been
way
too
many
that
the
action
was
filed
on
introduction.
You
just
have
to
go
through
the
agendas
and
you'll
see
that
that's
been
the
kind
of
the
hallmark
of
what's
been
going
on.
With
regard
to
the
amount
of
time,
it
does
not
reflect
the
importance
that
the
City
Council
is
supposed
to
have
on
community
input
and
I
know.
H
There
are
people
on
the
council
who
do
what
I
don't
understand
the
people
who
don't
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
coming
from
the
city
manager
or
not.
But
if
the
letter
with
regard
to
public
comment
about
it,
we
got
to
found
a
way
to
shorten
it
doesn't
have
well
Public
Health
comment
is
important.
We
have
a
way
to
shorten
it,
but
what
are
the
proactive
approaches
to
get
more
public
comment
comment
before
the
City
Council
that
was
not
listed
whenever
something's
important
to
you
and
you're
going
to
cut
something
back.
Even
in
a
budget.
H
You
have
plans
to
support
what
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
do
that
you're
cutting
back
on
in
a
different
way.
That
was
not
done
and
it's
not
processed
and
it's
not
fair
and
it's
not
including
the
citizens
and
it's
excluding
the
people
who
have
a
hard
time
writing
and
we
rather
speak
here
and
more
people
did
that
you
would
be
more
inclusive,
and
this
is
hard
on
people
who
do
speak
to
do
this.
H
A
A
I
I
Again,
the
the
conversation
is
you'll
see
from
October
first
one
a
little
bit
further
afield
with
issues
regarding
administration,
Public,
Works
Committee
of
the
committee
asks
that
all
this
come
back
at
your
December
meeting
that
did
not
occur,
so
it
is
here
for
discussion
this
evening
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
C
I,
don't
have
any
questions
but
I'd
like
to
offer
some
information
and
argue
my
case
for
absolutely
not
eliminating
that
committee
and
folding
the
information
and
the
actions
into
the
council
meeting
instead.
First
of
all,
the
items
that
appear
on
the
administration
and
Public
Works
Committee
agenda
are
all
the
items
that
have
to
do
with
spending
money
of
the
city
of
Evanston.
C
C
For
example,
there
aren't
other
committees
of
the
council
or
meeting
citizen
committees
that
meet
prior
to
the
council
administration,
Public
Works
Committee
that
deal
with
those
issues
and
then
recommend
or
advise
the
council
on
that
spending
comes
to
the
administration
and
public
works
committee,
and
that's
where
citizens
come
and
hear
the
deliberation
of
the
council
of
the
committee
deciding
whether
or
not
we
should
spend
now.
Sometimes
you
know
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
at
home,
reading
the
packet
and
make
a
decision
there.
C
We
come
to
the
council
and
we
have
our
committee
meeting
and
we
know
whether
or
not
vote
yes
or
no,
but
the
members
of
the
public-
and
you
heard
tonight
the
council
heard
tonight
how
important
it
is
that
we
have
citizen
comment
to
make
our
decision
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
support
it.
So
we
we
sometimes
argue
about
whether
or
not
a
bid
is
correct.
We
members
of
the
Council
of
the
committee
discuss
whether
or
not
a
minority
bidder
has
been
given
the
proper
chance,
whether
or
not
a
bid.
C
We
should
take
the
low
bid.
Members
of
the
council
who
are
not
on
the
committee
really
don't
have
much
input.
When
we
come
to
the
council,
they
pretty
much
find
that
the
committee
has
done
its
homework
and
we
move
on.
They
support
it,
but
I
do
think
I
do
think.
Members
of
the
council
pay
a
lot
of
attention
in
their
packet
and
so
so
I
think
the
committee,
the
committee,
provides
a
back-and-forth
and
a
good
study
and
a
good
conversation
and
a
good
debate
where
it's
necessary.
C
It's
not
always
necessary,
but
we
deal
with
things
we
deal
with
fire
trucks
and
things
that
cost
half
a
million
dollars.
We
deal
with
projects.
We
we
didn't,
have
the
robert
crown
that
was
taken
off
and
made
a
special
order
of
business,
but
in
the
past,
over
the
years
there
weren't
all
these
special
orders
of
business
and
I
think
making
so
many
items.
A
special
order
of
business
has
been
a
mistake
in
this
administration.
C
However,
that's
the
way
it
is
so
everything
now
is
going
to
be
really
treated
more
or
less
as
a
special
order
of
business.
If
we
were
to
make
if
we
were
to
eliminate
the
administration,
Public
Works,
Committee,
I
I,
think
the
the
mayor
sent
a
special
letter
to
the
council
tonight
because
his
plane
was
canceled,
so
he
couldn't
be
here.
I,
don't
think
he's
had
enough
experience
to
know
how
important
the
administration,
Public,
Works
Committee
is
and
I
think.
Maybe
some
members
of
the
council
think
it
would
speed
up
the
meeting.
C
Maybe
it
would,
but
you
know
what
the
public's
business
shouldn't
be
rushed
and
so
shame
on
us
for
wanting
to
rush
the
public's
business.
Be
quicker,
if
you
think
it's
takes
up
too
much
time,
then
maybe
you
should
be
on
administration
and
Public
Works
Administration,
Public
Works
starts
at
six
o'clock.
You
don't
have
to
come
at
6
o'clock,
wait
and
come
to
a
P
and
E.
It
started
doesn't
start
until
after
administration
Public
Works.
That
would
be
my
suggestion.
C
Let
me
give
you
an
example
of
why
administration
public
works
shouldn't
be
another
reason:
shouldn't
be
canceled.
Let's
take
P
and
D
P
and
D
has
items
on
it
that
have
already,
in
many
cases
been
to
dapper.
So
things
have
been
fleshed
out
at
dapper.
They
go
frequently
to
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals.
Sometimes
they
go
to
the
plan
Commission.
They
have
public
hearings,
many
items
that
have
been
that
come
to
P
and
D
have
had
several
public
hearings.
They
get
dragged
out
at
P
and
D.
They
get
dragged
out
at
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals.
C
They
have
neighborhood
meetings.
You
rarely
have
an
item
at
a
MPW,
that's
been
to
a
public
hearing
in
the
neighborhood,
it's
a
one-time
shot
when
it
comes
to
a
and
P
W,
and
we
want
to
take
that
out
of
a
MPW
where
people
get
a
chance
to
come
and
hear
it.
We're
spending
all
your
money
at
P
and
D.
That's
where
we
raise
money
from
from
developers
from
rentals
from
all
sorts
of
things,
but
at
a.m.
PW
we're
spending
your
tax
dollars
big
time.
C
We
need
to
have
an
opportunity
to
air
that
talk
about
transparency,
how
many
times
a
vent.
That
word
is
getting
to
be
so
happening
you.
You
need
to
have
transparency,
and
this
is
a
good
example
of
sweeping
things
under
the
rug
but
and
I'm
not
I'm,
it
really
I'm,
not
being
I,
don't
want
to
be
offensive
or
anything
to
the
members
of
the
council
who
want,
but
when
you
think
about
it,
we're
really
we're
really
taking
away
some
level
of
transparency
here.
C
J
Thank
you
and
and
I
also
agree
that
we
should.
We
should
keep
the
APWU
committee.
It
seems
that
the
committee
it
seems
that
kameez
been
working
much
more
efficiently
and
quickly.
So
I
think
that
makes
that's
appreciated,
of
course,
for
everybody
I
think,
given
the
I
guess
newly
developed
efficiencies,
we
should
start
the
pnd
meeting.
You
know
schedule
that
earlier
so
that
we
don't
have
any
big
gaps
waiting
time
which
has
been
occurring
lately,
so
I
would
suggest
that
we
keep
APW,
maybe
start
P&D
at
perhaps
I'm
just
throwing
this
out.
J
6:45
and
I
also
don't
think
we
should
have
an
end
time
for
the
council
meetings.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
support
for
that,
but
you
know
rolling
things
over.
Particularly
people
are
showing
up
for
meeting
I.
Don't
think
they
want
to.
You
know,
sit
around
until
10:45
and
then
realize
their
thing's
not
going
to
get
called
enough
to
show
up
again.
So
that's
my
two
cents
on
those
on
those
respective
points.
Thank.
K
K
We
should
work
on
trying
to
figure
out
a
time
to
start
council
meetings
that
we
could
publish
that
gives
us
enough
room
and
a
time
to
post
plenty
of
development
that
we
always
start
later
than
the
post
time.
You
can't
start
earlier,
so
maybe
we
do
630
something
like
that.
I
mean
that
for
a
P
and
D,
and
then
you
know
if
it
happens
to
be
later,
they
gives
more
people
opportunity
to
be
here,
but
I
think
the
real
problem
is
the
the
missionary.
Phone
works
runs
a
little
bit
long.
K
Let
me
take
a
break
then
putting
it
up.
Development
goes.
Take
a
little
break
for
council.
Mayor
comes
here,
I'm,
sorry
that
he's
not
here
today,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
maybe
ways
we
could
tighten
up
the
front
end
of
meetings
perhaps
do
proclamations,
and
so
for
that
one
specific
meeting
a
month
rather
than
every
meeting,
perhaps
Clerk's
comments
could
be
reserved
for
one
one
meeting
a
month.
You
know
city
manager,
comments
ways
to
get
from
the
declaration
of
a
quorum
for
the
roll
call
to
actual
business
more
quickly.
I
think
you
know
public
comment.
K
I
we
need
to
find
a
way
to.
However,
we
structure,
it
start
our
business
45
minutes
after
the
start
of
public,
regardless
I
always
put
up
a
comment,
so
I
think
the
real
issue
on
this
agenda
item
is
less
about
discontinue
administration.
Public
works
more
about
being
more
efficient
in
our
work,
so
that
we
can
get
things
done.
We've
got
to
carry
over
agenda
items,
and
so
what
I'd
be
most
supportive
of
is,
let's
figure
out
a
reasonable
time
to
set
for
the
start
of
council
meetings
and
trans
dick
to
that.
Thank.
L
Obviously,
if
we
have
a
start
time
and
a
P
and
W
is
longer
than
council
members
and
the
community
know
that
we
need
a
little
extra
time,
but
so
sad
I
do
agree.
I
do
think
even
though
I'm
one,
who
would
say,
let's
have
less
meetings
I,
do
agree
that
that
committee,
since
we
do
spend
money,
particularly
in
this
time
of
government
where
people
tend
to
be
a
little
less
trusting
to
keep
that
one
as
it
stands.
L
It's
important
for
people
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
you
know
when
we
spend
money
and
why
but
I
would
I
would
like
us
in
time
to
counsel
and
maybe
if
we
could
be
more
efficient
with
making
sure
public
comment
was
forty-five
minutes
making
sure
people
understood
how
to
sign
up
in
advance.
So
we
don't
have
as
many
people
running
up
at
the
end
saying
you
know
they
didn't
sign
up
or
what
have
you?
L
Then
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
have
a
stop
time,
but
we
are
just
getting
to
the
business
much
faster,
it's
very
hard,
at
least
for
me,
to
make
decisions
and
hold
conversation
too
much
after
11:30.
It's
also
I
think
unfair
for
citizens
who
do
want
to
cover
participate
to
be
required
to
stay
so
long
so
late
at
night.
L
So
if
we
can
be,
as
they
said,
more
efficient
and
setting
calendars
and
then
sticking
to
our
own
calendars,
maybe
we
won't
have
to
have
these
very
firms
stop
times
because
we're
just
getting
to
what
we
need
to
get
to
a
little
bit
better.
So
I'd
like
to
say
I
would
agree
to
keep
a
pnw
make
a
start
time
for
P
and
D
I
would
be
open
to
a
stop
time
for
City
Council.
If
we
understood
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
start
before
10
o'clock.
M
M
I
think
that
moving
it
as
Aldrin
Wilson
said
that
moving
the
start
of
PMD
to
645
is
a
good
idea
and
occasionally
PMD
has
to
be
pushed
back,
because
there
is
some
singular
item
at
an
pw
that
takes
a
little
longer,
that's
better
than
having
the
always
having
the
gap
of
time,
but
I
think
also
having
the
end
time
of
having
recognizing
that
APA
w
is
going
to
be
45
minutes.
It
helps
tighten
up
the
discussion
as
well,
and
then,
if
we
have
a
firm
time
for
the
start
of
City
Council,
we
can
do
that.
M
A
Thank
you
all
we
win
and
I
guess
if
I
could
add
to
the
conversation.
I
would
also
agree
to
to
keep
it
the
same
and
as
well.
I
would
use
this
as
an
opportunity
really
to
think
of
the
members
of
the
a
P
and
W
community
I.
Think
that,
with
the
new
changes
it
does
make
the
meetings
more
efficient.
The
committee
definitely
takes
the
time
to
read
through
the
packet
and
we
come
prepared
to
make
decisions
and
all
the
things
that
need
to
be
discussed.
A
We're
prepared
to
discuss
them
as
well
I
think
all
been
rainy
hit
on
the
big
buzz
word,
which
is
transparency
and
I,
would
be
surprised
if
any
member
of
our
frequent
flyer
club
would
be
in
favor
of
eliminating
that
committee
and
I
think
that
just
opens
us
up
to
more
criticism,
given
the
fact
that
we
spend
over
300
plus
million
dollars
that
pass
through
that
committee,
every
two
weeks,
so
Alvin
Wilson,
we
have
one
more
comment
from
Alvin
Rainey.
Where
are
you
going
to
make
a
motion?
Okay,
okay,
Rainey.
C
J
C
Nice
sale
this
past
week
from
the
rule
is
very
clear
regarding
the
starting
of
the
City
Council
meeting
and
we've
been
it's
been,
it's
been
implemented
incorrectly
and
we've
talked
about
this
before
the
mayor
allocates
divided
by
45.
The
number
of
people
who
are
here,
however,
the
rule
says
rule,
says
that
the
council
meeting
shall
begin
shall
begin
45
minutes
after
citizen
comment
begins.
It
does
not
say
that
the
number
of
people,
so
you
know,
be
divided
by
45.
C
C
J
So
just
listen
to
everybody's
comments.
I
will
propose
the
following:
I'm
gonna
guess
break
it
into
a
couple
of
motions
that
first
one
would
be
I
move
that
we
keep
the
a
MPW
committee
and
that
we
commence
noticing
the
Planning
development
committee
meeting
at
6:30
and
the
council
meeting
at
7:00
I'll
have
some
more
thoughts
to
share
on.
A
J
J
Think
it's
ambitious,
but
I
think
you
know
I
don't
want
to
have
lag
time.
So
I
guess
we're
currently
noticing
council
at
7:15
and
yeah
the
indie
at
6:30
and
council
at
7:00
and.
I
J
Of
P
and
D
is
fine,
so
634
P
and
E
and
counsel
for
the
conclusion.
Did
you
say,
645
I
think
is
the
norm:
I'm?
Okay,
if
645
I
was
just
kind
of
listening,
so
perfect.
Okay,
so
I
will
move
that
we
keep
a
PW
and
that
we
noticed
planning
development
for
6:45
and
council
will
commence
at
the
conclusion
of
planning
development.
Perfect.
Is
there.
A
J
I
N
A
We
don't
need
another
one,
all
right,
seeing
no
additional
lights
for
item
four
or
are
we
on
item
five?
Now
they
I
felt
like
you,
combined
by
good.
So
let's
make
sure
there's
no
additional
items
for
comments
for
item
four
seeing
none
item:
five
amending
the
council
rules
change
start
time
for
planning
development.
That
was
already
taken
care
of
with
the
previous
motion.
Seeing
no
additional
comments,
we'll
now
move
into
item
six
consideration
and
amendment
of
the
City
Council
rules
for
public
comment
at
standing
committees.
Yes,.
I
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
on
your
packet
page
number
15
as
a
recommended
change
to
council
rule
6.1,
currently
that
language
states
as
follows.
Any
citizen
may
address
a
committee
at
the
invitation
of
the
chair
of
the
committee.
Official
public
hearings
for
citizens
shall
offer
comments
by
the
City
Council
and
citizens
and
staff
is
recommending
a
new
language
for
rule
6.1,
which
states
city
council
standing
committee
shall
provide
opportunities
for
citizen
comment
at
the
beginning
of
each
meeting.
If
there
are
five
or
fewer
speakers,
ten
minutes
shall
be
provided
for
public
comment.
I
There
are
more
than
five
speakers
a
period
of
twenty
minutes,
they'll
be
provided
for
all
comment
and
no
individual
shall
speak
longer
than
two
minutes.
The
committee
chair
will
allocate
time
among
the
speakers
to
ensure
public
comment
does
not
exceed
20
minutes.
The
business
of
the
committee
shall
commence
twenty
minutes
after
the
beginning
of
public
comment.
In
addition,
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
shall
allow
an
additional
20
minutes
of
public
comment
for
each
plan.
Development
application
following
the
guidelines
above
prior
to
the
item
being
hurt
by
the
committee.
A
J
You
so
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
I
understand
the
points
that
members
of
the
community
have
made,
but
in
conjunction
with
the
conversation
we
just
had
about
the
duration
of
the
meeting
and
granted
I
was
reading
this
on
a
phone
from
a
long
ways
away.
But
I'm
understanding
from
a
recent
internal
thing
was
that,
in
the
absence
of
something
to
the
contrary,
the
interpretation
would
be
that
the
council
rules
would
apply.
So
it
would
be
45
minutes
per
Standing
Committee.
J
J
So
given
the
fact
that
there
is
an
opportunity
at
the
council
meeting
the
same
night,
I
think
this
does
make
some
sense
and
I
also
appreciate
that,
with
regard
to
the
planning
development
that
we
have,
this
for
plan
development
applications
the
additional
amount
of
time,
because
I
do
recognize
that
more
conversation
needs
to
occur
on
those
on
this
occasion.
So
I
support
this
and
think
that
this
makes
sense
and
it's
certainly
not
an
attempt
to
to
limit
our
input.
J
But
when
I
kind
of
was
perusing
other
communities
I
was
seeing
things
like,
for
example,
Rockford
has
I
think
of
maximum
of
five
speakers
at
three
minutes,
apiece
for
a
meeting
and
that's
15
minutes
for
a
city,
much
larger
than
ours,
so
I
think
we're
pretty
open
to
the
to
the
common
process,
but
it
you
know
we
have
to
ensure
that
there's
enough
time
to
get
the
work
done
and
have
the
conversations.
While
people
are
here
to
hear
what
we're
talking
about
it.
L
L
Try
to
say
this
night,
so
this
part
about
the
planning
development
committee,
which
I
shouldn't
even
sit
on,
but
allowing
a
mixture
of
20
minutes
for
public
comment.
It
seems
like
a
whole
I'm
I
reading
this
correctly
right.
The
last
sentence
is
in
addition,
the
public,
Planning
and
Development
Committee
shall
allow
an
additional
20
minutes
of
public
comment
for
each
application
following
the
guidelines
am
I.
Reading
that
correctly,
that
means
20
minutes.
If
we
had.
L
I
L
O
P
Well,
it
seems
to
me
that
there
are
other
instances
besides
planned
developments,
where
a
large
group
of
residents
have
a
lot
to
say
and
just
thinking
most
recently,
a
P
and
E.
We
had
the
neighbors
who
wanted
to
speak
about
the
26:26,
Reece
Avenue
project
and
so
I.
Guess
when
I
think
about
that
how
that
discussion
happens
at
P
and
D
that
we
give
the
developer
or
the
applicant
time
to
make
a
special
presentation.
P
That's
not
part
of
the
public
comment
and
I
think
the
residents
deserve
an
opportunity
also
to
give
some
kind
of
it
to
have
more
time
really
to
lay
out
their
arguments
about
the
proposal
so
and
I
know
everybody's
going
to
Korean
here
so
I
guess.
I
would
suggest
that
we
say
something
about
at
at
P
and
D.
P
An
additional
20
minutes
of
public
comment
for
each
application
for
a
planned
development
map,
amendment
major
zoning
variation
and
subdivision
following
the
guidelines
above
so
that,
because
those
are
the
time
it
will
be
likely
to
get
a
presentation
from
the
applicant
and
the
debt
that
the
residents
might
have.
You
know
quite
a
quite
a
bit
to
say
about
it
as
well,
so
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
P
P
If
we
I
mean
basically,
it
seems
to
me
that
staff
is
very
helpful
in
terms
of
not
loading
a
PD
agenda
with
more
than
one
big
issue,
whether
it's
a
planned
development
or
a
project
like
the
Reese
Avenue
project,
we
don't
we,
we
really
try
to
spread
those
out,
so
we're
not
having
them
more
than
one
of
those
at
a
particular
meeting.
Okay,.
A
Q
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
well,
I
I,
share
Alden
Fleming's
concern
because
of
the
way
that
this
is
written.
It
says
that
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
shall
allow,
in
addition,
20
minutes
of
public
comment
for
each
planned
development
application.
If
we
expand
that
to
include
subdivisions
or
whatever,
then
how
it
seems
to
me
that
that
one
person
then
could
sign
up
to
speak
at
each
individual
segment,
so
you
could
have
someone
some
person,
possibly
speaking.
You
know
6
9
12
minutes.
Actually
it's
2
minutes,
so
it
would
be
2,
4,
6,
8
minutes
and
I.
H
Q
If
we
want
to,
if
we
want
to
say
45
minutes
at
P
and
D
and
leaving
it
at
2
minutes
per
person
and
then,
if
a
developer
or
someone
wants
to
have
a
a
special
presentation,
they
would
clear
that
with
the
chair
at
some
point,
four
or
five
days
in
advance,
so
that
we
all
knew
that
that
was
coming
but
yeah
I
think
this.
It
sounds
very
confusing
to
the
public
and
I
can
see
the
public
coming
and
saying.
Q
A
So
just
in
contrast
what
we
heard
earlier
and
I
say
this
to
a
couple
of
people:
Ray
Clare
and
the
other
folks
that
are
out
there
in
the
public
that
our
committees
allow.
For
that
conversation
and
I.
Think
that's
where
the
word
the
work,
the
real
work
takes
place
at
the
committee
level
when
we
have
an
opportunity
not
only
to
listen
but
also
respond
to
some
of
the
comments.
So
by
time
it
does
come
to
City
Council.
Unless
it's
a
special
order
of
business,
it's
already
been
vetted,
as
you've
said
ray.
A
Sometimes
we
have
conversations
months
even
up
to
a
year
on
particular
developments
in
out
of
all
the
committee's
I.
Think
P
and
D
is
is
where
we
have
the
lengthiest
conversation
and
unless
I'm
over-exaggerating
I
think
that
those
are
managed
pretty
well
by
our
staff
and
in
the
chairperson,
with
the
exception
of
those
larger
developments
that
require
more
conversation,
so
I'm
a
little
concerned,
I
don't
sit
on
P
and
D,
but
I
think
for
someone
to
have
to
micromanage
all
these
components
does
get
a
little
bit
confusing.
A
M
Well,
I
initially
I
liked
this
proposal
from
the
staff,
but
then
I
do
think.
Alderman
Fiscal
brings
up
a
good
point
because
and
alderman
Ravel
brings
up
a
good
point,
because
we
do
have
issues
that
come
before.
Pmd
that
have
these
natural
constituencies,
where
you
know,
neighbors
or
or
communities,
do
sort
of
speak
with
one
voice
and
they
have
a
counter
proposal
or
a
counter
presentation
and
with
pu
d's
we
actually
have
a
legally
designated
group
within
a
certain
distance
that
actually
have
legal
standing,
special
legal
standing
before
us.
M
So
if
we
and
having
to
parse
through
whether
you're
you
know
whether
this
is
a
PUD
or
whether
this
is
a
map.
Amendment
and
those
are
significant
issues
that
do
bring
people
out,
I
think
is
difficult,
so
I
do
think
perhaps
keeping
it
at
45
minutes
with
maybe
a
two
minute
limit
on
folks
and
and
then
within
that
45
minutes.
M
Q
You
mr.
chair
I,
guess
I
want
to
back
up
a
minute
and
and
just
make
it
remind
everyone
that
the
reason
why
we're
doing
this
was
because
the
AG
said
that
in
the
in
the
absence
of
rules
for
standing
committees
that
the
council
rules
prevail,
which
means
that
at
each
Standing
Committee
according
to
the
AG,
we
should
have
our
doing
45
minutes
of
public
comment
at
every
Standing
Committee
and
we've
never
followed
that
it's
sort
of
been
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
chair
for
the
standing
committees.
Q
So
this
is
a
good
thing
that
we're
doing
and
we
need.
We
need
to
do
that,
but
we
besides
P
and
D
and
I.
Absolutely
as
I
said
before,
agree
with
the
45
minutes
for
P
and
D.
We
need
to
be
dealing
with
the
other
standing
committees
as
well
and
I,
considering
the
December
3rd
meeting,
for
example,
where
we
had
a
Rules
Committee
scheduled
for
an
hour
that
night.
Q
If
we
had
actually
taken
45
minutes,
for
which
the
AG
said
we
should
have
taken
that
would
have
allowed
15
minutes
for
the
what
15
agenda
so
that
we
had
that
night.
In
order
to
meet
the
start
time
of
Human
Services
that
followed
immediately
upon
rules,
so
that
obviously,
is
not
is
not
manageable
at
all.
So
it's
it's
really
important
that
we
go
back
and
we
do
establish
these
rules.
A
J
Point
out
of
them,
Wilson
followed
by
old
Whelan,
and
if
it's
actually,
this
does
address
all
the
standing
committees.
So
it's
not
just
the
one
or
two:
it
says
all
the
City
Council
all
standing
committees
shall
provide
citizen
comment
and
it
says
that
that
at
that
20-minute
period,
so.
Q
J
Totally
agree
yeah
so
right
well
and
I.
You
know
I
personally
I
like
that.
I
would
like
to
try
the
way
it's
drafted
now.
So
that's
gonna
be
my
motion,
so
I
move
that
we
we
adopt.
This
recommended
language
and
I
understand
the
point
about
the
P
and
E,
but
the
chair
does
have
discretion
to
allow
presentations
and
historically
that's
the
way.
We've
we've
done.
Those
things.
J
A
A
L
A
J
M
A
M
Motion
is
to
adopt
the
twenty-minute
that
the
if
there
are
five
or
fewer
speakers,
10
minutes
shall
be
provided
for
public
comment.
If
there
are
more
than
five
speakers
a
period
of
20
minutes
right
so
have
that
public
comment
apply
to
all
standing
committees
except
P
and
E,
and
that
we
have
a
separate,
a
separate
provision
regarding
public
comment
at
P
and
D.
So
that
that's
my
motion.
It's.
A
Okay,
so
I'll
speak,
I
mean
I
think,
with
the
exception
of
P
and
D,
all
the
other
committees
run
pretty
efficiently.
I
feel
like
is
someone
who's
had
to
chair
these
meetings
in
the
past.
That
would
add
a
layer
of
complexity
that
would
be
difficult
for
me
or
anyone
chairing
the
meeting
to
keep
track
of
so
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
motion,
as
it
relates
to
changing
the
other
committees
and
putting
restrictions
on
the
time
limits,
but.
A
M
A
P
P
P
A
A
A
M
M
A
A
I
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
thank
you
that
the
the
the
language
that
was
included,
the
business
of
the
committee
shall
commence
twenty
minutes
after
the
beginning
of
public
comment,
so
that
would
work
for
all
the
committee's.
So
yes
for
the
three
twenty
minutes
after
in
the
beginning
of
public
college
and
forty-five
minutes
after
the
being
a
public
convert,
Feeny
just
to
be
clear.
Thank
you
all.
I
C
A
R
Evening,
Michelle
Mason
cup,
City
Attorney,
this
request
came
I
believe
from
alderman
roux
Simmons.
She
had
asked
for
a
clarification
on
the
difference
between
a
motion
to
table
and
the
motion
to
hold,
and
this
has
become
relevant
in
a
few
discussions
where
a
previous
item
has
been
held
and
it
cannot
be
held
again
and
most
recently
has
been,
the
the
motion
to
table
has
been
used,
and
so
this
memo
addresses
the
difference
between
the
two.
I
L
Okay,
just
to
provide
clarification,
so
I
actually
asked
for
this
to
be
on
because
Waterman
Ruth
Simmons
had
asked
to
hold
something,
and
she
was
asked
to
give
an
explanation
as
to
why
she
needed
to
hold.
And
so
then
there
was
a
discussion
about
if
an
explanation
was
needed,
when
an
alder
person
asked
to
hold
something
to
just
provide
more
context
as
to
when
this
came
up.
I.
L
That
we
need
to,
we
can
I,
mean
she'll
watch
the
meeting
I'm
sure,
but
that
was
issue.
She
has
to
hold
something
I.
Second,
it
we
came
to
council
and
there
was
a
discussion
asking
her
why
she
held
it
and
that
had
not
been
something
that
I
experienced
before
I
was
under
the
impression
of
someone
held
it
then
it
was
held.
There
did
not
need
to
be
an
explanation,
so
that
was
why
I
asked
for
it
to
be
there
and.
I
A
So
for
clarification,
if
one
abstains,
you
do
have
to
provide
a
reason
per
council
rules
in
the
hold.
You
don't
need
an
explanation.
However,
you
can
ask,
we
do
need
clarification
if
the
hold
has
an
impact
on
the
contract.
No,
no
just
for
clarification,
everyone,
good
the
quarter
of
business,
all
right.
We
will
move
forward
all
right.
Thank
you
all
and
7:15
we're
doing
all
right
item
number
8
ethics
subcommittee
report
autumn
in
Wilson.
Thank.
J
You
we
have
my
45
page
PowerPoint
queued
up.
We
will
be
meeting
again
on
April
22nd
and
at
that
time
we've
done
at
work.
The
corporation
council
has
their
their
attorneys
have
prepared
some
a
good
starting
draft.
So
we
made
some
comments
at
the
last
count
at
the
last
committee
meeting
and
those
are
being
revised.
The
expectation
is
that
we
will
be
presented
with
something
that's
close
to
a
final
product
on
the
22nd.
J
A
I
Mr.
chair,
before
I
get
to
that
item
9
regarding
that,
could
empowerment
Commission.
They
had
requested
an
opportunity
to
come
before
the
Rules
Committee
this
evening.
There's
a
couple
of
matters
that
they
wish
to
discuss.
They
asked
that
they
would
wait
1
additional
meetings.
They
come
back,
so
they
will
will
be
out
of
your
Jennifer
June.
Thank
you.
I
didn't
mean
it
skip
over
there.
Lastly,
counsel
asked
for
a
memorandum
regarding
with
a
hiring
process
for
a
city
manager.
Memorandum
I
is
in
your
packet,
starting
on
the
page
eighteen
mr.
A
I
It
outlines
five
steps.
The
first
would
be
the
selection
of
an
interim
city
manager
once
the
the
position
was
vacant.
The
council
has
the
ability
to
make
an
interim
appointment
from
among
city
staff
for
making
an
outside
appointment.
The
second
point
would
be
to
hire
an
executive
search
firm.
Certainly
that
has
been
the
practice
and
evident
in
the
past.
Certainly
if
communities
are
size
and
complexity,
that
would
be
something
that
would
make
sense
to
move
forward
with.
I
Decisions
regarding
community
meetings
for
input
on
qualities
desired
in
the
next
city
manager
issues
regarding
one
candidate's
name
would
be
released
to
the
public.
The
process
for
reviewing
candidates
point
four
would
be
the
timeframe
for
a
selection
process.
Once
the
once
the
job
announcement
is
released,
search
firm
will
usually
receive
applications
over
30
to
45
day
period.
The
firm
then
usually
take
21
to
28
days
to
prepare
group
of
candidates
for
the
council
to
review
and
then
first
interviews
usually
occur.
14
to
21
days.
N
A
K
I
just
want
to
jump
in
I
think
we
should
establish
like
a
community
input
meeting
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
After
a
vacancy,
but
yeah
I
mean
we
would
go
through
hiring
a
search
firm.
All
that,
but
I
think
it
would
be
important
and
I
was
the
mayor
over
here.
So
we
could
talk
about
that.
It'd
mean
he'd,
be
the
appropriate
person.
Q
G
A
A
So
what
I
think
I'm
hearing
it's
similar
to
what
we
did
with
our
chief
police?
We
had
at
least
one
community
meeting
where
we
invited
members
of
of
art.
You
know
of
our
respective
wards
to
come
out
one
meeting,
parasol
room,
listen
to
things
that
were
important
to
them
and
the
search
firm
was
present
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note
that
that
search
firm
was
hired
prior
to
that
community
meeting
right,
just
so
everyone's
clear
on
that.
So
they
can
listen.
I
Mr.
chair
members,
the
committee
conceivably,
you
might
want
to
meetings
you
from
what
I'm
hearing
the
council
say
is
that
perhaps
you
would
have
an
initial
meeting
that
would
go
through
a
process
and
then,
once
you
had
a
firm
selected,
maybe
have
them
conduct
a
meeting
that
talks
about
qualities
when
you're
dealing
with
with
the
Job
Description,
so
I
think
that
they
serve
different
purposes
as
long
as
they're
done
expeditiously
I,
don't
think
that
they
would
would
slow.
I
You
saw
the
process
down,
but
if
your
concern
is
to
get
input
on
the
very
front,
end
I
think
that's
a
different
kind
of
meeting
than
a
meeting
on
the
quality.
Because
for
those
of
you
who
attended
the
meeting
with
for
the
Chief
of
Police,
it
was
a
very
different
kind
of
meeting
and
I.
Think
you
wouldn't
want
to
take
away
from
that
discussion
and
I'll
honestly
give
people
an
opportunity
to
start
thinking
in
a
first
community
meeting.
C
The
first
community
meeting,
I
I,
mean
I've,
been
through
this
several
times.
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
us
organizing
a
community
meeting
for
the
purpose
of
establishing
qualities
in
a
city
manager
without
having
first
hired
a
search
firm
that
we're
paying
a
search,
firm
who's
done
this
before
and
I
think
it
ought
to
be
organized
I
I,
don't
see
us
handling
that
I
think
they.
You
know.
We
know
the
people
how
to
reach
out,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
the
ones
who
want
to
on
a
handle.
C
C
C
Q
Yeah
I
hear
what
you're
saying
all
during
rainy
but
I
think
things
have
changed
in
the
past
ten
years
in
terms
of
what
expectations
our
community
has
for
public
input
into
the
process
and
I
think
we
need
to
do
everything
that
we
can
to
listen
to
them
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
process
and
then
and
then
start
it
and
then
start
through
the
deliberative,
step-by-step
process.
That
follows
but
I
think
if
we
don't
do
that,
we'd
be
making
mistake.
So.
A
Q
C
A
A
C
G
N
N
A
A
new
business
for
the
next
meeting
right
in
the
meantime,
can
you
forward
the
language
to
our
corporation
council
and
then,
if
there's
something
that
requires
a
decision,
we'll
probably
put
it
on
the
agenda
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much,
Chloe
all
right,
seeing
no
other
items
for
new
business
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Oh.