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During
the
bapquettes
era,
the
culture
of
corruption
took
root.
It
became
okay
for
city
staff,
members
and
administrators
to
regularly
come
to
this
podium
mislead.
The
public
and
mislead
the
public
was
even
sanctioned,
especially
when
it
led
when
the
lies
and
the
distortions
led
to
the
vote
desired.
C
That
allows
us,
as
citizens
to
have
the
flexibility,
have
the
have
accountability
and
the
ability
to
hire
and
fire,
especially
when
it
comes
to
the
mayor
and
the
aldermen
who
served
on
the
council.
So
I
strongly
recommend
and
again
I'm
grateful.
I
hope
it's
a
genuine
discussion.
I
hope
it's
people
have
open
minds
about
it
me
personally.
C
It
couldn't
be.
It
was
a
surprise
to
me
to
see
it
on
the
agenda
and
again
peter
I'm
very
grateful
to
you
for
whatever
reason
you
had
to
bring
it
forward.
I
also
wanted
to
speak
briefly
to.
C
That's
all
I
need
for
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
Also
long
overdue
is
to
set
up
the
changing
of
of
the
chairman
for
that
committee,
all
due
respects
to
aldermen
win,
but
six
months
came
and
gone
and
seems
like
she
refused
to
step
aside
for
somebody
else
to
take
the
chairmanship.
D
Hi
mary
rosinski,
I'm
glad
to
see
we
are
discussing
the
city
manager
and
official
condu
misconduct.
D
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that-
and
I
just
got
the
tail
end
of
what
mr
vasilka
was
saying,
but
I
have
felt
that
there
has
been
a
disrespect
for
residents
too.
So
I
think
as
we're
talking
about
culture
in
our
city,
it
starts
at
this
top
down
and
I
would
really
like
us
to
have
serious
consideration
on
how
that
happens.
D
D
That
says
only
staff,
whereas
before
when
even
wally
was
here
at
least
we
could
go
up
and
make
an
appointment
talk
to
his
secretary
get
some
information
if
we
needed
to
so
this
wall
between
the
administration
and
the
residents
needs
to
come
down.
The
second
thing
is:
I'm
really
grateful
also
to
see
a
discussion
on
our
mayoral
forum
of
government
or
city
manager
form
of
government,
because,
as
we've
seen
in
the
last
10
years,
there's
no
one
to
take
accountability
for
final
decisions,
contracts
and
things
like
that.
D
D
Ultimately,
the
buck
stops
with
you
and
we
can
still
have
a
very
strong
qualified,
experienced
city
manager
and
doesn't
mean
we
can't
have
a
strong
mayor
just
like
in
my
business
we
have
strong
regionals
and
we
have
strong
managers,
but
ultimately
it
stops
at
the
top
and
that's
what
I
feel
like
as
a
resident.
I
want
here
I'm
tired
of
talk
to
this
person,
no
one's
accountable
for
anything,
so
this
ultimately
comes
down
to
accountability.
D
E
A
D
A
F
F
Everyone
getting
very
tired
of
making
public
comment
with
no
feedback.
Once
again,
we
need
to
point
out
that
public
comment
is
supposed
to
create
a
dialogue.
We
have
some
very
serious
issues
here
and
very
little
involvement
with
the
residents.
We
need
to
be
part
of
the
discussions,
the
process
and
the
resolutions.
F
You
have
worked
very
hard
to
keep
the
residents
out
of
these
processes
and
decisions.
What
happened
to
the
transparency
and
accountability
we
were
promised.
Why
would
you
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
executive
session
before
a
consul
meeting
leaving
residents
waiting
for
one
two
or
three
hours?
F
Is
this
how
you
want
to
treat
your
residents?
I
thought
the
government
was
created
of
the
people
by
the
people
and
for
the
people.
That
does
not
seem
to
be
the
case
here.
There
is
an
ordinance
for
public
comment
that
was
submitted
to
all
of
you.
That
could
and
should
be
put
to
good
use.
Can
you
approve
that
ordinance?
Now?
F
We
are
looking
really
bad
here:
no
permanent
city
manager,
no
permanent
police
chief
budget
increase
of
60
to
70
million
over
last
year,
plus
approval
of
10
million
in
general
obligation
bonds
within
two
weeks
of
the
new
year,
plus
43
million
in
our
funds.
Hiring
new
positions
are
out
of
control
with
new
studies,
new
consultants,
sexual
harassment
on
lakefront.
F
We
have
some
serious
issues
here.
How
and
when
do
you
plan
on
resolving
all
these
issues
and
when
and
how
do
you
plan
on
involving
the
residents
with
the
discussions,
the
process
and
the
resolutions
to
each
and
every
one
of
these
issues
sincerely
ray
friedman?
Second,
ward
and
ps
after
I
finished
writing
this
today,
ready
to
leave
the
computer.
F
A
Seeing
new
further
comments,
we'll
jump
into
the
agenda
and
just
as
a
point
of
information
for
anyone
watching
this
meeting
is
a
reminder.
Public
comment
is
exactly
that:
it's
something
that
we
do
typically
at
the
top
of
every
committee
meeting.
It's
our
opportunity
to
listen
directly
to
our
residents
or
anyone
who
signs
up
is
a
part
of
that
public
comment
practice.
We
do
not
respond
to
any
public
comments.
A
I
also
remind
our
members
of
the
community
and
any
other
stakeholder
that
there
are
multiple
ways
to
communicate
to
our
city
council,
which
includes
email
text
messages
as
well
as
phone
calls
all
right,
let's
jump
into
the
agenda
and
get
as
much
accomplished
as
we
can.
First
up,
we
have
approval
of
the
rules
committee
meeting.
We
have
rules
meeting
through
july
7th
as
well
as
april
4th.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
their
second.
A
For
that
correction,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
goodbye
by
saying:
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
The
minutes
have
been
approved.
Next
up,
we
have
resolution
r1,
which
is
39-hour
22,
instructing
the
city
clerk
to
submit
the
november
8th
ballot.
The
referendum
used
rank
choice.
Voting
this
was
submitted
by
council
member
harry
karas,
recommends
adoption
of
the
resolution.
A
G
G
G
In
with
ranked
choice,
voting
people
can
vote
for
their
favorite,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
they
think
they're
going
to
win,
gives
people
a
stronger
voice
in
democracy
and
it
streamlines
the
elections,
and
I
think
it's
it'd
be
exciting
for
evanston
to
be
the
first
town
in
illinois
to
adopt
this.
I
think
it's
something
we
should
do.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
will
enthusiastically
support
this.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
not
only
will
rank
choice,
voting
lead
to
a
more
efficient
use
of
time
and
community
resources.
H
It
also
kind
of
clears
up
that
lingering
question
about
the
filing
period.
You
know
we
don't
not
knowing.
If
there
are
enough
candidates
to
warrant
a
primary
or
not,
you
know,
we
still
have
that
question
hanging
out
there
and
I
do
think
ranked
choice.
Voting
will
lead
to
a
more
inclusive
process
and
is
you
know
definitely
in
the
best
interest
of
our
community?
I
do
have
one
question
for
council
cummings
regarding
the
possibility
of
any
restrictions
on
council
members
campaigning
for
this
referendum.
Should
it
be
placed
on
the
ballot.
I
Good
evening
members
of
the
rules
committee,
chair,
braithwick,
nicholas
cummings,
corporation
council,
I've
been
unable
to
find
anything
in
the
state
ethics
act
or
in
our
own
city
code
of
ethics.
That
would
prohibit
elected
officials
from
engaging
in
the
type
of
political
activity
that
you
suggest.
I
I
Notwithstanding
the
fact
that
this
is
city
property,
but
you
know
I
would
just
exercise
caution
with
respect
to
the
fact
that
it
is
political
activity,
the
way
that
our
code
is
written.
It
mostly
prohibits
employees
such
as
myself
from
engaging
political
activity
and
not
elected
officials.
So.
H
I
A
Councilmember
cummings,
I
had
a
quick
question
about
this
and
I
didn't
I'll
admit
I
didn't
read
it
as
as
closely
as
I
should
have
my
understanding
going
into
this
and
councilman
herrera
said.
I
can't
remember
if
you
were
the
one
that
used
this
description.
It
would
alleviate
the
need
of
a
primary
and
that's
that's
sort
of
what
stuck
in
my
mind
and
it
sort
of
made
it
simple
enough
for
me.
But
if
there's
something
else
that
I'm
missing
that
could
potentially.
A
I
Are
two
things
when
we
were
researching
this?
The
first
being
that
the
illinois
election
code
very
explicitly
tells
the
bodies
that
are
in
charge
of
preparing
ballots?
How
to
prepare
a
ballot?
There
is
no
means
to
prepare
a
ranked
choice
ballot,
so
this
would,
we
would
be
basically
changing
state
law
on
the
fly,
because,
when
we
inquired
with
the
state
board
of
elections
and
the
county
board
of
elections,
the
emphatic
answer
we
received
in
terms
of
guidance
was,
I
don't
know
so.
I
Preparing
the
ballot
would
be
would
be
something
that
would
be
very
different,
and
the
second
thing
is
interesting.
That
will
come
up
later
this
evening
in
terms
of
the
discussion
items
is
a
change
to
astronomy
or
form
of
government.
According
to
state
law
requires
a
primary
in
in
order
to
select
the
mayor,
at
least
from
my
reading
of
the
state
code,
which
is
cited
in
the
memo,
so
that
that
is
an.
J
I
Thing
to
consider
we
go
to
ranked
choice,
voting
and
also
on
the
ballot
was
a
referendum
to
cease
being
a
city
manager,
form
of
government
and
move,
and
another
question
asking.
If
we
wanted
to
do
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
Adoption
of
the
strong,
mere
form
of
government
would
require
a
primary.
E
A
I
don't
want
to
jump
too
far
ahead,
but
I
coming
into
this
I
didn't
realize
the
connection
between
the
two,
so
I
will
make
a
recommendation
after
we
complete
this
conversation
to
follow
up
with
that
discussion
point
and
then
we'll
quickly,
move
through
the
rest
of
the
agenda
and
seeing
that
we're
not
voting,
it
is
for
discussion,
maybe
put
a
20
minute
or
so
time
limit.
Just
so
we're
balancing
the
time
and
if
it
requires
more,
then
we'll
give
it
more
more
time.
A
A
A
A
A
Council
club
right
it
doesn't
impact
anyone.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
all
right
council
member
burns,
you're.
Oh,
I
saw
your
light
and
then
I
see
his
hand.
B
K
Many
days
do
we
have.
What
will
we
need
to
vote
on
this
in
order
to
get
it
on
the
november
8th
ballot?
If
we
didn't
vote
on
it
today,
you
know
how
many
days
out
from
an
election.
Do
you
need
to
pass
a
resolution
like
this,
for
it
to
appear
on
the
ballot.
I
You
asked
me
to
look
quickly
and
I'm
operating
off
of
memory.
I
believe
it's
like
72
days
in
advance
of
the
election,
so
it
need
to
be
72
days
before
the
november
primary
okay.
I
I
would
say
you
would
be
operating
on
a
very
tight
timeline
with
the
next
rules
committing
being
in
august
right.
K
Which
I
gave
the
second
option,
which
would
be
to
have
it
appear
on
a
regular
city
council
meeting,
either
as
a
special
order
of
business.
It's
just
as
a
regular
agenda
item
sure,
okay,
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
this-
and
I
don't
know
if
where
everybody
else
is-
but
I
haven't
discussed
this
at
all
with
my
residents,
which
is
why
I
think
councilmember
braidway
mistakenly
said
that
this
is
for
discussion,
because
you
would
think
something
of
this
magnitude
would
be
first
for
discussion
and
in
action.
But
I
think
it's
actually
for
action.
I
It
was
it
came
through
the
referrals
committee
and
was
for
action.
I
will
be
very
transparent,
saying
that
the
law
department,
we
were
seeking
advice,
part
of
the
advice
we
were
given,
was
that
the
city
proposed
an
advisory
referendum
to
the
residents
to
see
if
it's
something
that
they
wanted
first
and
then
follow
up
with
the
referendum
on
ranked
choice.
Voting.
However,
based
on
the
timeline
that
that
there's
not
time
for
that.
I
To
be
perfectly
honest,
so
we
you
know
it
was
placed
on
the
agenda
for
the
referrals
committee
for
it
to
be
for
for
action
because
of
the
tight
timeline.
So
it
could
be,
it
could
pass
the
city
council
or,
like
you
said,
be
a
special
order,
business
at
a
future
city
council
meeting
and
later
in
june
or
july,
but
again
there's
a
tight
timeline
for
it.
If
the
city
council
wishes
to
have
it
on
the
november
ballot.
K
Yeah,
if
we
were
to
wait
for
a
rules
committee
meeting,
because
we
meet
and
frequently
but
we'll
have
quite
a
few
city
council
meetings
before
that
that
time
period
you
know
I
just
would
ask
for
some
courtesy,
I
think,
for
less
important
issues
than
this
we've
we've
done
the
basic
level
of
community
engagement,
which
is,
for
the
very
least
for
those
who
of
us
who
do
war
meetings
or
office
hours
to
just
talk
to
our
community
members
about
it.
K
I
know
councilmember
reed
invited
some
folks
on
around
ranked
choice
to
to
at
his
eighth
ward
meeting.
I'm
not
sure
anybody
else
has
discussed
this
at
a
meeting.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong.
No,
I
know
I
haven't
had
that
opportunity.
I
meet
last
thursday
of
each
month.
I
would
like,
at
the
very
least,
to
invite
the
the
folks
out
to
to
come
and
speak
with
them
directly.
K
We
don't
have
any
information
in
our
packet
about
how
this
has
performed
in
other
areas,
especially
for
disenfranchised
voters.
I
think
this
is
something
that
would
be
great
face
value,
something
that
would
be
great
for
folks
like
myself,
who
are
high
information
voters,
because
it
allows
me
to
do
all
the
research
on
on
a
pretty
long
ballot
right,
not
not
only
having
to
consider
two
options,
which
is
what
the
case
is
in
in
primary
elections,
but
to
have
to
consider
a
pretty
long
ballot.
K
I
have
to
do
that
research
and
then
be
ready
on
that
one
day
to
rank
all
of
them
without
this.
Turning
into
what
I
think
happens
in
judicial
races,
where
it
is
a
you
end
up
voting,
because,
based
on,
like
your
last
names
or
or
any
other
arbitrary
reason,
so
I
like
this.
I've
always
liked
ranked
choice
just
from
looking
at
it,
but
I
don't
have
anything
on
my
packet
that
talks
about
how
this
is
performed
in
other
areas.
I
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
this
with
with
fifth
ward
residents.
K
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
talk
about
rank
choice
voting
again
at
face
value.
This
feels
like
something
that
would
be
really
beneficial
when
coupled
with
something
like
campaign,
finance
reform,
which
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss,
and
so
in
this
time
between
now
and
again
as
a
courtesy,
the
next
meeting.
Hopefully,
if
I
can
get
some
agreement
on
that
like
if
we're
going
to
change,
do
something
of
this
magnitude,
let's
talk
about
it
more
comprehensively.
K
If
we're
going
to
overhaul
the
way
we
elect
candidates,
but
so
I
would
ask
for
that.
As
a
courtesy-
and
I
know,
councilman
reed
also
has
his
hands
up,
but
noted.
A
L
Thank
you
I
didn't
know.
We
had
time
limits
and
committee,
so
councilmember
headed
cottages.
Just
to
can
you
talk
about
the
just?
Can
you
one
talk
about
a
few
cities
that
have
implemented
this
in
the
us
and
what
their
experience
has
been
outside
of
new
york.
E
A
A
L
G
So
melissa
kaplan's
here
she
can
speak
to
a
little
bit
more
informed
data
about
which
cities
use
ranked
choice.
Voting.
M
N
I
will
note,
as
mentioned
new
york
city,
as
mentioned
in
new
york
city
used
bank
choice
voting
last
year
for
the
first
time
and
the
polling
data
suggested
it
was
wildly
popular.
I
believe
it
is
95
percent
of
voters
understood
it.
They
got
it
most
voters,
multiple
candidates,
they
had
no
issue
with
it.
N
Minneapolis
and
st
paul
have
used
it
for
a
number
of
years
as
well,
and
their
elected
officials
have
observed
that,
when
campaigning
there's
a
lot
less
elbowing
a
lot
less
on
negative
campaigning,
because
candidates
want
to
be
someone's
second
place,
choice
or
third
place
choice.
So
the
standard
campaign
tactic
of
make
yourself
look
good
by
making
someone
else
look
bad
backfires,
so
it
encourages
the
candidates
themselves.
I've
seen
the
campaigns
become
nicer
and
more
pleasant,
both
for
voters
and.
A
A
L
I'm
sorry
I'm
gonna
have
to
interrupt,
then
I
I
would
think
that
this
is
something
that
benefits
all
of
us,
but
if
this
is
counting
toward
my
time.
E
L
Your
question
member
harry
karis,
I'm
really
interested
in
this,
so
I
like
ranked
choice,
voting.
I
think
it's
a
interesting
idea.
I
think
there
are
plenty
of
democracy
reforms
out
there.
That
would
be
great
for
the
city,
I'm
concerned.
One
of
my
concerns
about
this
is
whether
it's
constitutional
or
not,
and
so
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
J
L
Well,
let
me
explain
my
question
sure
I'll
claim
my
time.
In
that
case
you
know
I
was
asking
because
you're
the
sponsor
of
this,
so
council
cummings,
so
the
illinois
constitution,
I'm
blanking
on
the
article.
Maybe
it's
article
nine,
whatever
local
government
is.
It
provides
that
a
municipality
may
provide
by
only
by
referendum,
for
the
selection
manner
of
their
officers.
L
When
I
read
that
and
I
think
about
the
common
and
the
legal
definition
of
manner,
it
seems
that
the
selection
manner
would
conform
with
the
election
law.
That
already
exists,
because
the
word
manner
means
the
customs
of
procedure
right,
because
if
when,
when
your
mother
told
you
to
mind
your
manners,
it
meant
do
what
everyone
else
is
doing
and
mine.
The
customs
of
the
situation
and
the
customs
in
illinois.
L
This
rule
is
but
the
with
the
selection
manner
in
the
word
manner.
If
we
are
to.
E
J
J
L
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Just
perhaps
this
will
be
helpful
in
clearing
something
up.
I
have
in
my
possession
a
letter
from
lisa
madigan,
who
is
the
time
attorney
general
to
barbara
flynn,
curry,
who
was
already
at
the
time
house
majority
leader
dated
september
7
2005,
addressing
this
specific
question
and
and
concluding,
based
on
her
analysis
that
the
home
rule
powers
granted
to
municipalities
in
the
constitution
enable
a
referendum
to
implement
a
ranked
choice
voting
system.
A
This
is
I
I
would
agree
with
with
council
member
burns.
I
tried
to
read
it
and
get
as
much
information
out
of
it,
and
this
is
something
because
it
involves
the
election
ballots.
I
would
like
an
opportunity
to
host
you
at
my
meetings
as
well,
where
it's
noticed
and
we
can
get
direct
feedback
from
our
residents
before
taking
action
on
it.
That's
I
don't
that's
where.
J
A
P
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
am
strongly
in
favor
of
this
as
well,
and
thank
you
councilmember
howard
cars
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
think
that
just
a
brief
list
of
the
communities
all
across
the
united
states
that
that
have
adopted
this,
I
I
think
demonstrate
that
it.
It
accomplishes
a
lot
of
goals,
and
I
you
know
one
of
them.
P
It
makes
it
makes
campaigns
less
expensive,
because
there's
only
one
time
that
everyone
is
voting,
it
tends
to
draw
people
towards
the
center
because
they
have
to
find
a
second
candidate
that
they,
like.
I
mean
it's,
something
that
we
do
intuitively
as
human
beings.
We
decide.
Okay,
if
I
can't
have
this,
then
this
is
what
I'll
have
and
as
someone
who
is,
has
a
lot
of
family
in
the
new
york
metropolitan
area.
New
york
did
this
and
did
it
extremely
successfully,
as
you
said,
evanston
can
do
this.
P
This
isn't
that
difficult
to
understand,
and
I
actually
think
that
we
should
go
ahead
and
approve
this
tonight
and
move
it
to
the
council
agenda
at
some
point
in
the
future,
because
waiting
until
the
next
rules
committee
is
going
to
make
it
too
close
too
tight
too
tight
a
timeline.
I'm
happy
to
have
you
at
my
next
ward
meeting
and
there's
lots
of
information
out
there
in
the
community
mayor
bis,
and
I
were
just
looking
at
the
list.
P
It's
remarkable
a
number
of
communities
in
utah
use
this,
so
this
is
something
that
isn't
just
a
coastal
issue,
but
something
that
is
that
is
growing
in
popularity
throughout
the
country.
So
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
moving
this
forward.
I'm
sure
we
can
provide
the
information,
that's
necessary
to
the
the
public.
This
isn't
difficult
to
understand.
A
Q
Q
A
Thank
you,
council
member
ravel,.
R
Well,
I
would
just
like
to
let
people
know
that
I'm
strongly
supportive
of
this
change
as
well,
and
I
think
the
sooner
we
get
started
with
the
community
education,
the
better,
and
luckily
we
have
reform
for
illinois
right
here
in
our
front
yard
and
also
the
league
of
women.
Voters
is
strongly
supportive
of
this
as
well.
So
we
do
have
a
number
of
resources
in
the
community
to
help
with
the
community
education.
So
I
I'm
I'd
like
to
see
us
move
forward
as
quickly
as
we
can
excuse.
K
No,
I
just
want
to
to
clarify
the
two
that
that
this
really
didn't
need
to
come.
The
rules
committee
in
the
first
place
there's
nothing
in
our
in
our
code.
That
requires
it
so
not
to
confuse
things.
I'm
just
saying
enough
time
before
this
appears
on
the
council
agenda
to
discuss
this
with
my
war
residents.
K
You
know
I'm
thankful
for
other
organizations
that
have
brought
this
to
us
and
again
at
face
value.
I
support
it.
I
have
for
a
while.
You
know.
S
K
I
have
to
point
out
that
none
of
those
organizations,
as
far
as
I
understand
are
you
know
black
or
latinx,
led
or
are
majority
run
by
by
those
members
of
our
community,
and
so,
although
it's
great
to
hear
everybody
else
up
here,
satisfied
with
what
they
understand
about
this,
we
have
not
properly
educated
or
went
to
the
community
to
get
feedback
from
them
really
at
all
and
again
we're
the
members
up
here
are
all
higher
information,
voters
and
again
the
organizations
as
far
as
the
ones
that
have
reached
out
to
me.
K
I
don't
think,
are
black
lead
or
latinx
organizations
or
represent
disenfranchised
voters,
and
that's
what
I
would
like
information
on
to
see
if,
in
other
places,
this
has
led
to
higher
turnout
among
disenfranchised
voters-
and
I
I
don't
have
anything
in
my
packet
to
suggest
that
I'm
I'm
sure
that
may
be
the
case,
but
we
just
we
haven't,
received
that
information
yet
so
again,
to
be
clear,
I'm
just
looking
for
a
little
bit
of
time
to
talk
to
my
community
about
this.
K
A
With
me,
you
know
today
thank
you
for
your
comments,
corporation
cummings,
just
based
on
the
timing
that
you
just
stated.
What's
the
maximum
amount
of
time
that
would
allow
council
member
burns
and
I'll
probably
do
a
joint
meeting,
we
can
tag
on
it
and
knock
it
out
with
just
one
meeting.
I
So
city
city
manager
can
converse
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
items
that
are
passed
along
from
this
meeting
would
not
appear
on
the
city
council
agent
until
the
27th
meeting
meeting
of
the
27th
okay.
So
you
would
have
from
today
until
june
27th
that
it
would
appear
for
the
first
time,
but
it
would
need
to
pass
city
council
no
later
than
august.
8Th.
A
I
Because
the
clerk
would
actually
have
to
prepare
it
in
time
to
make
sure
it
actually
gets
on
the
ballot
in
november.
The
second
thing
that
I
just
wanted
to
mention-
and
I
think
I'm
anticipating
answering
the
question
that
councilman
marie,
was
trying
to
ask
in
terms
of
the
manner
of
voting.
There
is
some
risk,
because
it's
unknown,
because
we
don't
have
an
answer
that
once
this
is
done,
we
try
to
get
the
ballots
printed,
that
the
board
of
elections
says.
I
We
can't
do
that,
because
state
law
says
the
ballot
has
to
be
printed
a
certain
way,
but
everything
else
allows
us
to
do
this.
This
provided
the
law
department
with
the
opinion
from
lisa
madigan,
there's
case
law
from
this
illinois
supreme
court
from
1974.
That
says
we
can
do
this.
My
my
only
concern
again
is
when
we
send
the
ballot.
A
Only
detail
we
have
to
pay
attention
to
yes,
all
right
to
if
I'm
paying
attention
all
the
comments
and
my
little
notes
that
I
wrote.
It
appears
that
there's
enough
votes
to
move
this
forward
with
the
understanding
of
giving
myself
and
council
member
burns
time
to
to
host
a
meeting
and
we'll
invite
our
two
guests
here.
L
We
go
ahead
and
point
of
information
for
council
cummings.
You
just
said
that
there's
a
case
from
1974
that
says
we
can
do
this.
Was
that
not
a
1974
case
about
removal
from
office?
It
was
not
the
removal
case.
No.
I
It
was
a
case
about
changing
the
number
of
trustees
that
could
be
elected,
even
though
the
municipal
code
requires
a
certain
number
of
village
trustees.
The
village
of
arlington
heights
decided
they
wanted
to
have
a
different
number
and
the
supreme
court
said
that
they
could
buy
a
referendum,
even
though
it
wasn't
conflict
of
musical
code.
So
it
specifically
says
the
court
found
that
the
change
in
the
manner
of
selection,
municipal
officers
and
their
terms
superseded
the
provisions
of
municipal
code.
I
A
L
You
you
have
everything
to
do
with
it,
we're
talking
about
whether
or
not
something
we're
creating
laws
that
are
constitutional.
We
should
want
to
craft
this
in
a
way
that
it
actually
stands
up
to
legal
scrutiny.
Why
do
we
rush
through
important
conversations,
especially
something
as
important
as
the
selection
manner
of
the
people
who
run
this
city
ramming
this
through,
like
this
is
inappropriate.
K
K
A
T
I've
been
very
enthusiastic
about
wearing
choice
voting,
but
I
am
a
little
bit
disappointed
because
I
do
think
we
owe
it
to
ourselves
to
be
really
well
informed
right.
You
know
it's
great
to
hear
that.
There's
a
cost
savings
that
people
are
nicer.
We
all
love
that
and
I
don't
know
about
moving
more
to
the
center.
That
would
be
up
for
debate
whether
that's
you
know
different
people
that
have
different
opinions
about
that,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
understand
the
impact
so
that
we
can
better
impart
information.
T
T
You
know
disenfranchised
voters
like:
let's,
let's
hear
what
the
impact
has
been
and-
and
you
know
from
these
different
communities-
I
don't
think
it's
enough
to
say:
cost
savings
and
people
are
nicer
like
we
want
a
more
democratic
process
right,
that's,
ultimately
what
we're
looking
for,
and
so
I
think
it's
really
uncommon
that
we
all
understand
that
not
you
know.
I'm
going
to
be
doing,
you
know
doing
a
lot
of
research
between
now
and
my
next
award
meeting,
but
we
should
all
be.
I
would
like
a
presentation
about
impact.
T
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
kelly
and
just
for
those
in
the
audience
and
everyone
else
listening.
I
think
that
will
be
the
third
voice
of
concern
that
our
corporation
counsel
has
heard
so
just
between
now
and
our
next
city
council
meeting,
where
this
will
appear
for
introduction
council
member
here,
carlos
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
you
reach
out
to
the
members
who
have
expressed
concern
and
also
our
guests,
you've
been
invited
now
to
three
excuse
me,
two
ward
meetings,
one
hosted
by
myself
and
councilman
burns
and
the
other
government
council
member
kelly
all
right.
A
I
Just
mr
chair,
because
councilmember
kelly
is.
C
U
H
A
All
right,
we'll
continue
to
move
along
item.
R2
is
resolution
amending
the
designated
freedom
of
information
act.
Officers
for
the
city
of
evanston
clerk
mendoza
recommends
this
adoption
of
40-hour
22
amending
designated
freedom.
Innovation
act
officers
for
the
city
of
evanston.
This
is
for
action.
Is
there
a
second.
L
A
All
right,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
council
member
reed.
J
L
It
asking
questions
right:
this
is
your
question.
I'm
asking
a
question:
can
someone
confirm
whether
or
not
this
went
through
referrals
committee?
It
did
okay,
I
just
didn't
know
I'd,
never
seen
that
the
city
clerk
had
the
ability
to
make
referrals
so
but
okay.
So
what
this
does?
I
I
do
support
part
of
this.
Certainly,
I
believe
the
city
clerk.
I
should
be
a
floyd
officer,
I'm
trying
to
track
the
changes.
L
It
seems
like
the
only
thing
that
happens
here
and
it's
not
in
the
draft
which
I
think
is
a
bit
concerning,
but
it
seems
like
it
just
removes
the
foia
officer
that
was
previously
in
the
collector's
office.
Is
that
a
correct
summation.
L
I
L
And-
and
that's
not
my
issue,
but
the
former
one
did
I
I
think
what
one
is
removing
the
employee
officer
in
the
collector's
office,
which
I
think
is
good
policy.
I
think
we
also
need
to
go
ahead
and
remove
the
foia
officers
in
the
police,
department
and
law
department.
I
think
the
clerk's
office
will,
as
a
push
for
when
I
was
clerk,
will
still
be
able
to
work
with
all
of
the
departments.
L
It'll
just
be
that
independently
elected
office
that
is
responsible
for
foia,
as
opposed
to
giving
the
police
department
siloed
ability
to
approve
or
deny
foias,
which
we
should
there's
folks
who
speak
about
equity.
We
should
know
that
have
given
the
police
department,
sole
power
over
the
release
of
their
records
is
not
the
best
policy
and
the
same
thing
with
the
law
department,
putting
in
a
system
of
checks
and
balances
where
the
police
department.
L
Where
the
police
department
is
able
to
where
the
police
department
transfers
the
records
that
are
set
to
be
released
to
an
independent
office
to
the
clerk
and
the
clerk
is
then
able
to
verify
and
and
take
responsib
responsibility
for
release.
I
think
that
is
the
best
system,
and
that
is
the
gold
standard,
creating
checks
and
balances
when
it
comes
to
the
release
of
records,
potentially
particularly
records
that
are
held
by
the
police
department
in
silo
there.
L
So
I
move
that
we
amend
this
to
strike
the
foia
officers
for
the
police
department
and
for
the
law
department.
A
I
Sure
the
the
clerk
is
actually
trying
to
get
in
the
meeting,
but
she
can't
get
in
so
if
the
administrator
is
of
the
zoom
is
able
to
let
her
in.
Secondly,
57
the
clerk
is
online.
Okay,
57
r19
57r19
did
not
include
the
deputy
city
clerks.
It
only
created
foia
officers
for
the
police
department,
the
law
department
and
named
the
city
clerk
for
the
the
floyd
officer
for
remainder
of
the
city,
and
that
that's,
unless
there's
some
other
question.
A
L
To
strike
the
language
that
makes
the
police
department
its
own
foia
officer,
and
that
makes
the
law
department
its
own
foia
officer.
It
creates
checks
and
balances
all
right.
A
A
L
Yeah,
thank
you
councilmember
birthwaite
and
clerk
mendoza,
hello,
the
refer
the
the
amendment.
The
motion
that
is
on
the
floor
is
to
remove
the
police
department
and
the
law
department
as
their
own
foia
officers
and
make
the
clerk's
office
the
sole
foy
officer.
It
would
maintain
the
relationship
with
those
departments
in
producing
records
on
assisting,
but
they
would
not
have
final
determination
on
whether
the
records
were
set
to
be
released
without
the
independent
clerk's
office,
verifying
it.
V
Is
this?
Is
this
a
question.
V
Yes,
so
we
we
thought
it
was
necessary
to
update
who
the
office
designated
for
your
officers
are.
As
you
know,
we
have
two
staff
members
that
started
in
our
office
and
then
we
would
also
be
removing
the
a
person
who's
actually
now
in
the
collector's
office.
E
V
I
do
you
wanna
you
want
me
to.
I
did
not
hear
the
amendments.
A
E
B
So
before
there's
a
good
evening,
chair
braithwaite
members
of
the
rules
committee,
kelly
gandersky
interim
city
manager,
before
there's
a
vote
on
this,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
clerk
mendoza
understands
the
ramifications
of
that
amendment,
meaning
the
police
department
and
the
law
department
would
no
longer
be
instrumental
in
preparing
foia
documents
anymore
and
certifying
that
those
are
the
correct
documents
after
a
search.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
the
clerk's
office
has
the
capacity
to
handle.
All
of
that.
A
All
right,
I
understand
that
I
have
council
member
burns
and
then
I'll
make
comment
and
then
chief,
do
you
want
to
speak
to
that
as
well?
Do
you
mind
coming
to
the
podium
council
member
burns
and
then
I'll
make
a
quick
comment
and
we'll
go
to
the
chief
and
then
we'll
vote
on
the
amendment,
and
then
we
still
have
a
lengthy
evening
ahead
of
us
and
that's.
K
Why
I'm
keeping
this
catered
I'll
hold
my
comments
until
chief
ellington
speaks
and
and
hope,
and
also
can
you
explain
what
or
city
magikardersky?
If
you
can
reiterate
your
point
or
chief
editing,
you
can
in
whatever
order
and
I'll
hold
my
comments
until
afterwards.
S
S
Also
we're-
probably
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
is
in
the
city
has
to
handle
the
amount
of
digital
information
vis-a-vis.
The
body
cameras
that
we
gather,
and
so
I
I
don't
want
to
voiced
on
the
clerk's
office,
a
whole
bunch
of
work
that
they're
not
staffed
up
to
do.
S
One
of
the
changes
that
I
made
since
returning
to
the
department
is,
I
personally
sign
all
the
outgoing
foia
requests
to
me.
It's
a
good
way
of
seeing
what
the
public's
concerned
about
what
they're
interested
in
and
what
the
volume
is
and
once
again
the
volume
is
huge
and-
and
I
think
if
we
move
this
to
the
clerk's
office,
I
would
imagine
that's
going
to
create
a
staffing
issue
for
them.
S
A
B
Think
the
I
think
the
chief
made
my
point.
I
think
this
would
actually
slow
down
no
more.
I
think
the
more
I've
had
the
two
minutes
to
consider
the
amendment.
This
would
actually
slow
down
the
foia
process
rather
than
speed
it
up,
because
it
would
take
each
department
to
have
to
pull
the
documents
after
the
request
from
the
floyd
officers
from
the
clerk's
office
and
the
clerk's
office
would
have
to
double
review
what
the
departments
have
already
reviewed.
B
We
already
have
foia
officers
that
certify
that
those
responses
are
the
entire
list
of
documents
that
have
been
produced
after
a
diligent
search,
so
I
I
think
that
could
actually
slow
down
the
process.
My
understanding
of
clerk
mendoza's
request
here
was
to
create
additional
resources
to
respond
to
foia,
so
that
the
times
the
response
times
could
actually
go
down.
F
V
V
The
only
issue
that
I
would
have
is
that
you
know
if
the
council
decides
that
they
want
us
to
be
the
sole
office
who
fulfills
foias.
We
also
need
the
resources
from
council
to
be
able
to
do
this.
You
know
we,
the
police
department
has
one
person
who
is
a
designated
foia
officer.
That's
your
full-time
job
and
the
law
department
has
another
person
we
need
to
those
those
two.
You
know
same
staff,
people
in
our
office
to
be
able
to
do
this
full-time.
V
A
You
very
much
councilmember
burns
followed
by
councilmember
newsmen,
then
I'd
ask
that
we
vote
on
the
amendment
to
keep
us
moving
forward.
K
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
don't
think
this
is
gonna
pass
anyway,
but
just
for
the
sake
of
just
trying
to
clarify
so
with
foia,
each
department
has
always
processed
its
own
foia
request.
The
police
department
operationally
is
one
hundred
percent.
The
k,
if.
I
K
The
work
the
work
has
always
been
done
by
the
police
department
to
look
through
the
records
and
provide
them
that
you
know
that.
So
yes,
that's
not
what
we're
talking
what's
been
is
being
described
is
not
what
I
think
councilmember
reed
is
referring
to.
What
he's
referring
to
is
a
change
that
was
made
during
the
last
administration
to
just
change,
who
has
designated
a
floyd
officer
in
name
not
in
much
in
the
work.
K
That's
been
done,
because
the
police
department
has
always
done
their
their
their
own
they've,
always
provided
their
own
records.
K
K
I
don't
think
the
change
is
a
big
deal
unless
here's
where
it
might
be
a
big
deal,
which
is
what
we
thought
back
then
is
who
decides
to
close
the
foyer
request
and
to
make
the
final
you
know
denial
to
the
requester,
that's
where
it
may
or
may
not
make
a
difference
depending
on
the
answers
to
that
question,
so,
council,
cummings
or
clerk
mendoza.
K
I
It
really
depends
upon
where
the
request
is
going
if
the
request
goes
to
the
police
department,
specifically
once
the
records
are
gathered
and
the
proper
productions.
If
any
are
made,
then
the
police
department
has
the
ability,
within
next
request,
to
respond.
I
You
know
on
its
own
same
thing,
for
the
law
department,
otherwise
those
records
are
provided
to
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
clerk
then
closes
out
in
response
to
the
foia
request
and,
generally
speaking,
the
law
department
will
consult
regardless.
If
there's
any
sort
of
question
alexandra
ruggy
is
the
primary
person,
but
all
of
us
are
trained
and
required
annually
to
certify
under
foia,
so
that
we
can
answer
the
questions
to
see
if
reactions
are
proper.
I
If
we
should
release
stuff
that
somebody
has
a
question
about,
and
I
think
in
you
know
recently
at
least
since
interim
city
manager,
kandersky
was
the
corporation
council,
and
now
myself,
we've
probably
been
a
little
more
liberal
with
our
interpretation
with
respect
to
what
should
and
shouldn't
be
released
versus
in
the
past.
So
you
know
we're
we're
going
to
continue
to
advise,
regardless
of
who
the
the
foia
officer
is.
I
K
K
K
And
so
I
think
the
the
the
what
cosmo
reed
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
change
would
would
basically
allow
the
city
clerk
before
the
referral
or
a
foia
request
is
officially
closed
out.
It
would
allow
a
period
where
the
clerk
could
review
it
and
determine
whether
or
not
that
denial
was
made
properly
because,
ultimately,
under
the
previous
way,
this
was
arranged.
You
know
the
clerk
was
the
sole
foia
officer
and
therefore
you
know
directly
responsible
for
making
the
final
call.
K
So
I
just
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
be
clear
that
the
work
there
will
not
be
any
additional
work
on
the
clerk's
office.
This
is
more
so,
if
there's
a
review
period
before
the
foyer
request
is
closed,.
I
K
V
We
have
counseling,
okay,
I
don't
know
how
many
foias
you
were
fulfilling
when
you
were
working
there,
but
we
are
definitely
last
year.
I
know
we
fulfilled
more
than
2
600
for
years
I
don't
have
the
number
of
the
top
of
my
head.
I
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
you
but
understand
that
since
you
were
there,
we
also
have
additional
questions.
We
have
additional
work,
that's
being
done
in
the
office,
so
I
don't
know
what
we
were
doing
when
you
were
there,
but
we
are
definitely
doing
more
work.
V
There's
there's
added
work,
so
it's
not
just
foia
that
we
do
in
that
office.
H
You
chair,
I
am
going
to
respectfully
oppose
council
member
reed's
amendment,
but
I'm
not
philosophically
opposed
to
the
direction
he's
going.
I
just
don't
think
there
are
enough
answers
to
the
questions
that
are
being
expressed
tonight
to
vote
in
favor
of
that
amendment,
but
I
wouldn't
welcome
the
opportunity
at
some
future
date
to
to
have
a
more
fully
informed
discussion.
Thank
you
I'll
leave
it
there.
Thank.
A
T
T
Yeah,
so
my
question
is:
I
just
want
to
to
get
a
better
understanding
in
terms
of
what
kind
of
either
reallocation
of
funding
I
mean,
I
guess.
T
To
know
a
little
bit
more
about
the
gold
standard
for
foia,
and
I
and
I'd
like
to
ask
you
know
I
think,
council,
member
reed
and
also
clerk
mendoza
about
this,
but
the
gold
standard
in
terms
of
you
know
reallocating
resources.
If
we
had
an
office,
that's
you
know
was
the
foia
team
versus
each
department
having
its
own
foia
officer
like?
Would
it
be
possible
how
many?
How
much
would
this
cost?
T
In
addition
to
have
you
know
an
office,
that's
dedicated
to
foia,
and
I
understand
it
would
still
go
through
each
department,
as
councilmember
burns
pointed
out,
but
I
wonder
councilmember
reed
and
then
maybe
mendoza.
You
could
just
speak
a
little
bit
to
sort
of
a
gold
standard
in
terms
of
a
foia
process
at
the
municipal
level,.
A
Council,
member
kelly,
I
appreciate
the
value
of
your
question.
I
would
think
that
something
like
that
is
going
to
require
a
little
bit
more
research
and
also
time
to
impact
just
for
members
of
the
community
as
well
as
our
rules.
It's
now
six
o'clock
and
we
are
on
our
second
item,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
respectfully,
councilmember
kelly.
I
think
that's
information
that
you
can
follow
up
directly
with
us.
A
L
A
T
Well,
I
guess
to
understand
the
amendment
I
would.
I
still
would
like
to
know
if
we
were
to
either
reallocate
resources
to
the
clerk's
office
or
add
you
know,
increase
our
budget.
This
is
what
I
need
to
understand
to
to
get
a
better
understanding
as
to
whether
or
not
I
would
support
this
amendment,
and
I
thought
that
perhaps
I
would
like
to
know
about
gold
standards
and
a
and
foia
divisions
within
municipalities,
and
that's
why
I
asked
both
our
clerks
clerk
reed,
who
was
there
for
four
years
as.
S
T
I'd
also
like
to
hear
from
clerk
mendoza
in
terms
of
what
is
the
best
way
to
proceed
and
again,
I
fully
understand
that
records
would
still
be
processed
through
the
respective
departments,
but
in
terms
of
ultimately,
the
foia
officers.
How
how
that
is
how
funds
are
best
allocated
and
how
that
is
best
arranged
it's.
It
would
be
far
if
I
could
get
some
sort
of
response
and
understanding
to
that
in
terms
of
gold
standard
and
like
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
funding.
T
A
V
I
will
answer
really
quickly,
you
know,
realistically
speaking,
we
would
need
someone,
you
know
with
some
sort
of
you
know.
We
rely
a
lot
on
the
law
department,
we
need
someone,
but
that's
what
they're
training
and
you
know,
probably
perhaps
one
more
person.
I
really
you
know
your
question.
I
need
some
time
to
look
at
how
much
people
are
getting
paid.
How
much
you
know
that
would
cost,
but.
V
A
G
L
E
A
With
only
three
council
members
voting
for
it,
the
amendment
fails
and
now
we
move
directly
to
r2,
which
is
resolution
40-r22
amending
the
designated
freedom
of
information
act
officers
for
the
city
of
evanston.
Can
you
please
call
the
roll.
L
A
All
right
with
two:
yes
with
two
council
members
voting,
no
the
r2
passes
next
up,
we
have
and
again
I'm
just
gonna,
be
mindful
of
time
one
hour
and
ten
minutes
going
into
two,
and
we
have
one
two
three.
A
A
A
A
A
A
L
Mayor
biss,
point
of
order,
the
the
call
the
motion
to
call
the
question
was
not
withdrawn,
and
so
that
motion
has
to
be
voted
on,
and
so
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
withdraw
the
the
motion
to
call
the
question,
but
that
had
to
be,
I
thought,
a
bit
confused
here.
I
thought
that
was
what
we
were
voting
on
originally
because
that's
how
it
works.
The
motion
to
call
the
question
has
to
be
voted
on.
It
was
not
removed.
I
To
adjust
the
council
member's
question,
the
chair
did
not
recognize,
even
though
the
motion
was
moved
and
seconded
the
motion.
The
chair
did
not
recognize
the
motion
and
went
ahead
and
called
the
ordinance.
The
chair
still
has
to
recognize
the
the
motion
being
made.
The
chair,
the
emotion,
was
never
recognized
and
and
call
for
the
and
the
vote
was
called
on
the
ordinance.
I
A
A
I
I
Councilmember
kelly
proposed
that
the
final
bullet
point
under
that's
listed
in
section
one,
paragraph
h
and
I
apologize
all
of
this-
should
have
been
underlined
because
this
would
be
new
language
in
the
code.
A
A
I
I
You
know
whether
it
be
me
as
a
department
head
or
just
as
an
attorney,
whether
real
or
perceived
to
intimidate
course
or
otherwise
interfere
with
the
normal
operation
of
the
city
and
councilmember
kelly
is
proposing
that
it
also
include
interfere
with
I'm
sorry.
Yeah
interfere
with
the
well-being
of
residents
as
well.
T
Yeah
yeah,
so
just
there
I
didn't
delete
anything.
I
didn't
change
anything.
I
simply
added
the
part
about
residents.
I
mean
I
think
ms
rosinski
spoke
to
today
that,
like
that
seems
obvious,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
add
that
also
that
you
know
anybody
employed
by
the
city
or
an
official
that
obviously
our
contractor,
that
we
hold
this
bar
also
in
terms
of
their
treatment
of
our
residents,
and
that's
all
I
just
added
those
couple
words
to
include
treatment
of
our
residents.
Okay,.
A
P
P
I
I
am
confused
by
what
that
means,
and
I
I
think
that
that
will
cause
confusion
in
terms
of
how
this
is.
P
P
Ordinance
that
this
should
apply
to
all
to
you
know
to
this
broader
group
of
us,
but
I
am
uncertain
about
what
is
the
well-being
of
a
resident.
T
Does
it?
Has
there
been
an
interference
saved
by
contractors
say
by
officials
by
anybody
such
that
the
behavior
is
creating
a
hostile
environment?
We
absolutely
have
to
have
our
residents,
including
this
the
same
way.
Their
well-being
is
what
we
what
we
aim
to
serve
right
in
the
city,
just
like
the
normal,
which
is
also
very
broad
and
vague
clause,
normal
operation
of
the
city,
the
well-being
of
our
residents.
T
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
you
know,
there's
any
other
way
to
say
it
other
than
that,
the
well-being
we
don't
want
to
create
a
hostile
environment
that
would
impede
their
well-being,
city,
a
officials
or
any
staff.
Member,
and
that's
all.
I
think
this
is
a
very
basic
language
that
absolutely
needs
to
be
included.
T
And
again,
it's
it's
followed
by
that
after
that
comma
such
that
the
behavior
creates
a
hostile
environment.
It's
not
saying
we
have
to
all
just
make
sure
that
that
they're,
that
we,
you
know
provide
for
their
well-being.
It's
not
saying
that
saying
that
we
don't
that
no
authority
operates
in
a
way
that
creates
a
hostile
environment.
L
Yes,
I
to
the
same
line
that
council
member
nguyen
was
just
asking
about,
or
speaking
on
about
vague
language.
It
says
exercise
authority,
whether
real
or
perceived
perceived
to
intimidate
course
or
otherwise
interfere
with
the
normal
operation
of
the
city,
such
as
such
that
the
behavior
creates
a
hostile
environment.
L
So,
first,
how
do
council
cummings
or
whoever
wants
to
answer
this?
How
would
we
define
normal
operation.
L
I
The
normal
operation
of
the
city
is
probably
a
question
better
answered
by
the
city
manager's
office,
but
in
the
sense
that
we
have
had
incidents
where
elected
officials
have
had
interactions
with
city
employees
in
the
past
and
all
the
way
up
until
the
present,
where
the
elected
official.
This
is
something
that's
also
up
for
discussion
with
respect
to
the
role
of
a
council
member.
L
If
I
can
create
a
hostile
work
environment,
if
I
can
interject
only
because,
in
this
case,
council
member
birth
weights,
counting
even
your
responses
against
my
time-
apologies
for
that.
So
if
I
were
to
disagree
with
an
opinion
of
the
law
department
right
you-
because
this
covers
you
as
well-
yes
right
as
a
covered
person,
so
this
isn't
just
applying
to
council
members.
This
is
applying
to
staff.
L
So
if
I
believe
that
you
exercise
your
authority
as
corporation
counsel,
whether
it's
real
or
perceived,
I
just
perceive
that
you
have
exercised
your
authority
in
a
way
to
intimidate,
coerce
or
otherwise
interfere
with
the
normal
operations.
And
again
normal
operations
is
seemingly.
The
legislative
process
is
also
a
part
of
the
normal
operations
of
the
city.
Would
you
agree
or
disagree
with
that.
L
A
Part
is
already
in
the
code
and
it's
not
a
part
of
the
amendment.
So
if
you
want
to
ask
specifically
for
the
amendment
it's
what
she
emailed,
which
is
or
with
the
well-being
of
the
residents,
so
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
your
time
that
I'll
count
it
towards
the
amendment
or
the
actual
ordinance.
This
conversation
question
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
amendment
and
I'll
be
mindful
that
there
are
two
minutes
left.
So
it's
your
time,
fair.
L
If
we're
only
discussing
the
amendment,
then
I'll
cede
my
time
and
wait
until
I
can
discuss
the
main
motion,
I
thought.
K
A
O
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
really
really
appreciate
what
council
member
kelly
is
trying
to
do
here,
and
I
I
also
just
I
feel
like
the
language
is
a
little
broad
like
so
so,
if
just
reading
the
relevant
part
taking
out
the
extraneous
words,
you
know
exercises
authority
to
interfere
with
the
well-being
of
residents
such
that
the
behavior
creates
a
hostile
environment.
I'm
imagining
a
situation
where
a
resident
doesn't
like
the
leaf
blower
ban
and
then
defines
the
enforcement
of
it
to
create
a
hostile
environment.
O
O
So
I'm
I'm
pretty
concerned
about
the
exact
words
here,
but
I
think
the
intent
is
is
not
just
good
but
but
important.
So
I'm
going
to
move
that
we
table
this
to
the
next
meeting
of
the
rules
committee,
which
will
give
us
that
I'm
happy
to
participate.
Councilmember
kelly
if
you
want
or
not,
if
you
don't
but
will
give
us
time
to
find
the
right
formulation
of
what
I
think
is
really
an
important
idea
that
I
worry
hasn't
been
captured
in
a
way
that
I'm
comfortable
with
in
this
version.
E
L
T
I'd
like
to
second
table
in
this,
because
I
do
agree
with
mayor
biss
and
I
would
like
to
collaborate
with
meredith.
I
think
this
wording
is
very
important.
We
do
want
to
get
it
right,
but
I
will
also
say
the
word
hostile
is
also
very
vague.
Like
anything,
you
know,
just
to
your
point
nervous,
I
do
think
you
know
anybody
can
call
anything
hospital
from
workplace
to
so
that
in
itself
is
very
broad.
So
if
someone
says
the
leaf
blower,
you
know
we
don't
like
not
being
able
to
use
our
leaf
blowers.
S
T
Anything
it's
going
to
be
need,
then,
to
be
determined
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not.
But
yes,
I
agree
whatever
it
takes
to
get
the
residence
that
component
in
here,
that's
who
we
serve.
I
would
like
to
see
this
table,
so
the
wording
can
be
so
everybody
feels
you
know
amenable
to
the
wording.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
L
G
A
All
right,
this
is
table
to
our
next
rules.
Committee.
Next
up
we
have
r6
I'd
like
to
move.
It's
the
finance
budget
committee's
chair
schedule.
The
rules
committee
shall
determine
a
chair
schedule
for
the
finance
and
budget
committee
so
moved.
Second,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded.
Are
there
any
slights
discussion?
Yes,.
L
Anyhow,
I
sent
a
to
everyone
much
earlier
hours
and
hours
ago,
an
amendment
regarding
this
item,
and
so
I
now
move
that
I
think
that
falls
in
line
with
what
we've
been
doing
for
other
committees,
and
so
I
moved
that
to
address
this
issue.
L
Rules
committee-
the
chair,
I'm
sorry,
the.
L
The
amendment
would
amend
562
and
say
that
the
chairperson
for
committees,
consisting
of
council
members
and
citizens,
which
report
directly
to
the
council,
shall
have
a
council
member
as
chair,
the
chairperson
shall
rotate
and
order
seniority
and
elective
service
where
seniority
is
equivalent.
The
chair
shall
be
chosen
in
chronological
order
by
ward,
a
council
member
should
not
chair
more
than
three
non-standing
committees
simultaneously.
L
The
three
non-standing
committees
simultaneously
is
is
different,
and
that
is
something
new.
But
the
way
that
we
are
rotating
chair
schedules
on
standing
committees
follows
this
order.
Only
that
withstanding
committees,
of
course
our
rule
says
you
may
only
chair
one
standing
committee
at
any
given
time,
and
so
so
this
just
falls
in
line
with
what
we
are
already
doing,
and
this
is
how
the
committee
schedule
rotates
for
economic
development,
which
is
also
a
committee
that
falls
into
the
rules
under
516.
H
I
just
have
a
point
of
clarification,
so
I
understand,
you
said,
shall
be
chosen
in
chronological
order.
L
May
have
used
the
wrong
term
in
order,
so
once
we
get
to
where
folks
are
have
served
for
the
same
amount
of
time,
then
it
goes
just
in
order
of
ward.
A
Q
E
A
Six
knows
the
amendment
fails.
Next,
I'd
like
to
recognize
mayor
biss.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
been
thinking
about
this
issue
because
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
committee
that
we've
created
and
frankly
has
a
lot
of
work
to
do
as
we've
in
the
referrals
committee.
We've
been
sending
it
a
lot
of
stuff,
and
I
think
that
the
the
committee
has
done
important
work
in
the
first
year
without
question
or
the
first
nine
months.
O
I
guess,
but
I
think
this
is
an
area
where
real
kind
of
professional
subject
matter
expertise
is
really
critical,
and
so
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
create
a
situation
where
a
resident
member
who
has
professional
background
in
the
field
could
be
the
chair.
Now
I
recognize
that
that
is
in
conflict
with
the
clause
in
rule
5.6.2.
O
That
says
that
a
committee
of
this
form
shall
have
a
council
member
as
chair,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
make
a
motion
to,
for
the
purposes
of
making
our
current
appointment
to
the
finance
and
budget
committee,
suspend
the
part
of
rule
5.6.2
that
obligates
the
chair
of
this
committee
to
be
a
council
member.
O
Should
that
be
seconded
and
passed,
then
I
will
make
a
motion
to
appoint
david
livingston
to
be
the
chair.
As
someone
who
has
tremendous
professional
experience
in
this
field
and
has
indicated
a
willingness
to
really
dig
in
and
give
a
lot
of
additional
time
to
make
this
committee
be
as
successful
as
it
can
be.
A
I
A
Rules
pardon
me
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
to
make
them.
J
A
L
L
I
My
question
then,
to
to
the
rules
committee
and
mayor
bis
is
my
understanding
from
hearing
him
talk
about.
This
is
that
the
proposal
would
be
to
name
david
livingston
as
the
next
chair,
but
I
did
not
hear
a
discussion.
I
apologize
had
to
step
out
about
future
chairs,
and
so,
if
the,
if
the
goal
is
to
identify
a
schedule
with
future
chairs,
then
councilmember
reed's
point
is
well
taken
to
amend
the
rule.
But
if
we're
only
going
to
name
the
person
tonight,
suspension
of
the
rules,
the
one
time
does
make
sense.
A
O
No,
I
mean
I
think
so.
I
do
believe
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
name
a
chair
tonight.
I
mean
we
appointed
councilmember
wynn
for
six
months
more
than
six
months
ago,
so
here
we
are.
I
think
we've
got
to
appoint
a
chair,
I'm
proposing
to
for
the
purposes
of
that
responsibility,
suspend
this
rule
and
go
and
do
it
now,
I'm
very
comfortable
also
amending
the
rule.
O
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
this
council
member
requirement
and
they're
going
for
it
either,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
solve
the
problem
facing
us
tonight,
which
is
how
to
get
somebody
with
the
necessary
professional
experience
in
that
role,
given
what
the
rules
say
at
this
moment.
Okay,
so
giving
this
video.
T
A
question:
sorry:
how
about
you
know,
I
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
having
our
expert
finance
experts
from
resident
finance
experts
sharing,
but
I
do
think
you
know
for
the
sake
of
of
a
better
of
a
well-functioning
committee
that
is
so
important.
That
would
you
I
mean,
can
we
rotate
our
resident
chairs?
I
mean,
I
don't
think
I
think
that's
really
important
to
have
different
voices
and
different
leadership,
and-
and
I
think
we
have
three
really-
you
know
outstanding
experts
on
our
committee.
I
Guess
that's
something
that
we
typically
do.
The
rules
committee
is
prepared
tonight.
Yes
to
solve
this
issue
permanently,
meaning
set
a
schedule
of
rotating
chairs,
then
changing
the
rule
makes
sense.
Okay.
If
the
rules
committee
is
not
prepared
tonight
and
they're
only
going
to
appoint
the
next
chair,
suspending
the
rules
makes
the
most
sense.
I
And
we
can
discuss
later
at
a
on
august
1st,
a
future
schedule
with
rotating
chairs,
whether
they
be
residents
chair,
council,
members
etc,
and
we
can
also
talk
about
changing
the
rules.
Then
the
advice
that
I
would
provide
to
the
rules
committee
is
that
we
actually
amend
the
ordinance
that
created
this
committee,
but
that
that
can
be
done
later.
But
if
the
question
is
for
tonight
to
name
a
chair
to
mayor's
business
point,
suspension
of
the
rules
is
proper.
L
Point
of
information
again,
but
when
mr
and
I'm
fine
with
this
change,
but
every
meeting
that
david
livingston
was
chair
of
that
committee.
If
we
named
him
he'd
be
violating
the
rules.
So
it's
not
a
suspension
of
the
rule.
To
name
him
chair
that
the
rule
says
that
the
chair
shall
be
a
council
member
for
these
kinds
of
committees,
so
he
would
be
violating
the
rule
on
an
ongoing
basis,
thereby
the
the
idea
that
we're
just
suspending
the
rule
to
name
them.
There's
no
rule
saying
all
right!
Well,
council
comings!
If.
I
A
O
It's
not
an
amendment.
It's
a
motion
to
suspend
the
portion
of
rule
5.6.2
that
obligates
this
this
chair
to
be
a
council
member.
A
U
T
A
Second,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
with
one
light,
recognized
councilman.
T
O
My
instinct
is
one
year
I
think
we
learned
we
were
here
sort
of
over
time,
because
the
six
months
was
we
sort
of
blew
that
deadline.
So
I
apologize
for
not
including
that
it's
a
good
flag
so
I'll.
My
motion
will
be
for
a
year
if
folks
want
to
amend
that.
That's
obviously
they're
right,
but
I'm
going
to
propose
a
year
for
this
term.
O
A
T
O
The
six
month
rotation
was
not
a
rotation,
it
was
just.
The
initial
term
was
set
at
six
months
on
an
ad
hoc
basis,
last
time
and
similarly
ad
hoc
basis,
I'm
proposing
a
year.
If
someone
wants
to
move
to
amend
that,
we
can
vote
on
such
a
notion.
So.
A
N
Q
H
A
All
right
that
passes
I'm
seeing
no
other
issues.
We
have
two
items
for
discussion
item
d1
is
discussion
of
alternative
forms
of
government
for
the
city
of
evanston.
This
is
one
of
my
recommendations
just
to
flush
out
a
conversation
that
I
think
we
have
had
just
since
the
beginning
of
the
election.
That
has
taken
a
lot
of
different
conversations.
A
L
Of
information
has
this
gone
through
the
referrals
committee.
L
Thank
you,
discussion
of
a
policy
chain.
So
are
we
saying
that
discussions
of
policy
changes
can
appear
on
agendas
without
going
through
the
referrals
committee.
I
So,
very,
very
briefly,
I'll
try
and
keep
this
discussion
as
short
as
possible.
I
know
that
there
are
members
of
the
public
that
are
here
interested
in
this
item.
The
first
thing
I
will,
I
will
say
is
that
the
illinois
constitution
allows
for
home
rule
forms
of
government
like
evanston
to
by
referendum,
determine
how
its
form
of
government,
but
only
can
it
can
only
choose
the
form
of
government,
that's
provided
for
under
illinois
law,
and
there
are
four
options.
I
The
first
is
the
council
mayor
former
government,
which
is
the
quote-unquote
default
former
government
in
illinois.
There
is
the
commission
form
the
council
manager
form
and
the
strong
mayor
form
and
those
are
outlined
in
the
memo.
The
council
mayor
former
government
is
akin
to
the
city
of
like
chicago
our
neighbor
to
the
south.
It's
often
perceived
that
chicago
is
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
That's
actually
not
true
by
its
charter.
I
Chicago
is
a
council
mayor
former
government,
wherein
the
city
council
has
the
authority
to
determine
the
powers
that
are
exercised
by
the
mayor,
various
commissioners,
city,
employees,
etc,
etc.
The
commission
form
of
government
is
governed
by
a
council
consisting
of
the
mayor
and
four
commissioners.
I
The
council
and
a
commission
form
of
government
retains
all
executive,
administrative
and
legislative
authority,
so
all
of
that
power
resides
in
the
five
people
elected
to
a
commission
and
then
each
of
the,
and
there
are
five
departments
that
are
sort
of
divided
by
those
council
members,
those
commission,
the
the
commissioners
and
they
can
elect
super
appoint
superintendents
and
there
are
various
different
powers
and
authority
that
is
outlined
in
the
memo.
S
I
Legislative
authority
for
that
form
of
government,
the
strong
mayor
form
of
government,
the
city
manager's
authority-
is
retained
by
the
mayor
and
essentially,
if
you
read
the
code,
which
is
65
ilcs,
five,
six
dashboard
s7,
it
mirrors
the
code
with
respect
to
the
city
manager
in
terms
of
the
authority
given
to
the
mayor
and
strong
mayor
former
government,
also
under
strong
mayor
former
government.
As
I
mentioned
earlier
this
evening,
primary
elections
are
required
under
6-3-11.
I
It's
very
explicitly
says
that
there
shall
be
a
primary
to
choose
two
people
to
choose
from
two
people
to
run
for
office:
the
mayor's
required
to
appoint
a
number
of
administrative
assistants
with
the
qualifications
of
a
city
manager
to
aid
the
operation
of
the
city.
So
we
would
not
get
away
get
away
from
having
a
city
manager.
It
would
be
absolutely
the
same.
I
However,
the
power
of
the
city
manager
will
be
limited
and
that
person
would
only
answer
to
the
mayor,
and
then
there
are
outline
in
the
memo
the
steps
to
abandon
our
current
form
of
government
in
order
to
to
do
that
has
to
be
done
by
referendum,
and
I
will
also
note
that
you
know
we
are
represented
democracy.
I
So,
regardless
of
you
know,
there
were
some
comments
about
how
there's
lack
of
accountability
to
the
residents
the
res
the
residents
elect
you
all
to
make
to
make
these
particular
decisions
in
terms
of
what
the
senate
city
manager
is.
What
orders
surpass,
what
resolutions
to
pass
if
there's
going
to
be
a
resolution
to
actually
authorize
this
referendum?
I
All
of
that
is
done
by
the
members
of
city
council,
which
are
elected
by
the
public
body,
and
I
also
outline
the
memo
the
actual
referendum
that
is
required
in
order
to
abandon
the
city
manager,
form
of
government
and
it
poses
a
question
sell.
The
city
of
evans
then
retain
the
manager
of
a
form
of
government
and
all
of
the
steps
are
outlined
there
in
terms
of
how
that
would
how
that
would
work
out.
A
I
don't
know
if
it's
insider
foresight,
but
he
actually
put
that
in
in
his
contract,
which
I
found
interesting
and
confusing
at
the
same
time,
and
so
we're
not
going
to
solve
the
issue
tonight,
but
I
think
for
the
purpose
that
we're
still
looking
for
a
city
manager.
I
thought
the
timing
of
it
made
sense
and
clearly
this
is
something
that
residents
have
talked
about.
So
with
that
being
said,
there
are
no
indications
to
budget
is
part
of
this
discussion.
I
There's
there's
certainly
some
budgetary
concerns
that
would
need
to
be
addressed,
but
I
did
not
research.
A
P
Well,
I'll,
just
start
off
by
saying
that
I'm
a
very
strong
supporter
of
the
the
the
former
government
that
we
currently
have
it's
one
that
was
established
more
than
70
years
ago,
at
the
behest
of
the
league
of
women
voters.
My
memory
is
correct
on
all
of
that
information
for
cities
our
size.
P
It
makes
very
good
sense
to
have
professional
management.
We
do
have
a
large
budget,
but
a
small,
relatively
small
population
in
which
you
would
draw
someone
to
run
as
mayor.
I
do
think
that,
having
this
form
of
government,
where
we
have
a
professional
manager,
who's
trained
really
provides
us
with
the
highest
quality,
a
government
that
that
and
we
can
look
at
our
surrounding
communities.
I
know
of
several
that
do
not
have
this
form
of
government
where
which
has
a
strong
mayor
form
a
government.
P
Those
are
are
not,
in
my
opinion,
well
run,
I
think
they're
rife
with
corruption
and
that
everyone
answers
to
a
single
person.
The
mayor
and
I
recognize
that
some
folks
in
the
community
are
perhaps
unhappy
with
our
decisions,
but
they're
we're
a
deliberative
body
and
we
are
responsible.
This
is
representative
democracy,
we're
elected
to
hire
a
city
manager.
P
I
think
that
we
have
been
effective
in
being
a
deliberative
democracy.
I
don't
want
to
move
to
a
strong
mayor,
form
a
government
and
I'll
stop
there.
I
have
a
vivid
testimony
from
a
very
close
friend
of
mine,
who
was
the
third
ward
alderman
for
the
city
of
berwin,
who
was
which
is
a
strong
mayor
of
former
government,
and
she
was
a
resident
of
evanston
for
10
years
and
would
be
very
happy
to
come
and
discuss
with
us.
What
it's
like
to
have
a
strong
mayor
form
a
government.
H
See
it
yet.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
do
not
support
changing
our
system
of
government.
I
do
support
doing
a
better
job
with
the
system
that
we
currently
have.
If
we
were
to
change
I'll
enumerate,
four
reasons
why
I
I
am
not
in
favor
of
changing
kind
of
in
descending
order
of
or
increasing
order
of
importance,
but
number
one.
H
If
we
were
to
change
that
would
just
create
a
cloud
of
uncertainty
and
confusion
and
chaos
for
in
an
indefinite
period
of
time,
which
would
detract
our
attention
from
the
real
work
we
have
to
do
on
any
number
of
issues
confronting
our
community.
Affordable
housing
are
very
important.
Equity
work,
climate
action.
We
have
a
discussion
about
the
civic
center.
Everything
that
we
should
be
focusing
on
would
become
secondary
if
we
were
going
to
pursue
changing
our
form
of
government,
and
I
don't
think
that
would
be
doing
the
community
of
service
number
two.
H
If
we
changed
to
a
new
form
of
government,
we
would
be
opening
up
a
a
door
to
any
number
of
other
problems
that
we
can't
anticipate
at
this
point.
There
are
downsides,
there
are
consequences
of
of
any
other
form
of
government,
and
I
don't
think
the
grass
is
greener
on
on
the
other
side
of
either
of
those
three
fences
and
then
number
three.
H
I
want
to
underscore
the
fact
that
I
do
think
the
community
is
best
served
by
having
professionals
who
are
qualified
in
their
fields
of
work,
to
be
filling
the
key
staff
positions
and
not
to
have
key
staff
positions
filled
by
political
appointees.
I
think
that
would
be
a
step
in
the
wrong
direction
and
then
last,
but
certainly
not
least,
in
fact
I
would
say
this
is
this-
is
more
important
in
terms
of
public
engagement
and
transparency,
which
are
so
very
important
to
this
community.
H
As
you
know,
as
many
of
us
here
on
a
regular
basis,
if
we
change
to
a
strong
mayor
system,
there
would
be
less
engagement.
There
would
only
be
one
person
running
the
city
and
it
would
diminish
the
role
diminish
the
authority
of
the
council
members
and
we
do
have
under
our
current
system
a
system
that
allows
the
public
to
hold
the
city
council
accountable
once
every
four
years,
and
it's
up
to
council
members
to
do
that.
H
Work
to
engage
with
the
public
in
a
transparent
manner,
and
we
can
do
that
job
better.
But
I
don't
think
changing
the
system
of
government
would
would
improve
this
in
any
way.
A
Thank
you,
council,
member
new
sm
I'll
also,
I
want
to
officially
go
on
the
record
of
saying
no,
I
do
not
support
a
strong
mayor.
I
think
this
is
something
that
was
brought
up
at
an
naacp
candidate
forum
and
it
just
seemed
very
out
of
the
blue,
and
I
was
surprised
by
some
of
the
comments
from
at
the
time
candidates.
It
really
doesn't
matter
now
because
we're
sitting
here
in
place.
A
I
think
two
things.
First
of
all,
I
really
believe
it
sets
us
up
for
failure
and
when
you
add,
if,
if
I'm
reading
the
code,
what
you
put
in
the
memo
we're
going
from
eight
from
nine
members
of
council
to
then
eighteen
members
of
council,
so
I'm
assuming
that
that's
going
to
be
in
addition
to
the
budget,
when
you
look
at
all
of
all
of
the
the
small,
the
amount
of
money
that
we
make
in
addition
to
that,
the
health
package
etc.
A
So,
whereas
there
are
nine
opportunities
for
our
residents
across
the
city
to
be
heard
and
voted
on,
we
now
limit
it
to
just
one
person,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
hypothetical
thoughts.
I'll
just
share
it.
I
think
the
person
with
the
most
money
and
influence
wins
and
in
those
situations,
as
we've
seen
in
other
municipalities,
the
person
who
wins
are
the
ones
with
the
most
money
who
raise
the
most
money
and
then
now
you
are
beholden
to
whomever
your
investors
are
in
this
role.
A
A
I
don't
see
how
this
helps
our
town
with
as
engaging
of
a
community
that
we
have
with
all
of
the
diversity
to
leave
it
to
one
voice.
I
think
collectively
we
recognize
and
we
represent
many
voices
from
color
gender
age,
ethnicity
or
fluency,
and
I
don't
see
how
one
person
has
that
ability
to
embody
all
of
evanston.
L
I'm
still
missing
the
discussion
of
alternative
forms.
I
feel
like
this
is
just
a
we
all
love
city
manager
forum.
So
I'm
not
sure
the
point,
but
I
do
want
to
just
state.
L
I
agree
strongly
with
a
statement
that
you
made
there
and
I
saw
a
lot
of
heads
nodding
when
you
made
it,
which
is
that
your
concern
is
that
particularly
in
a
people
keep
saying
strong
mayor,
but
nick
pretty
clearly
said
the
kind
of
government
we're
usually
talking
about
when
we're
thinking
about
strong
mayors,
what
chicago
has
which
is
council
mayor
or
the
mayor
council,
former
government,
two
different
things
in
fact
that
actually
may
give
the
council
more
power
but
I'll
leave
that
the
thing
you
said
is
that
the
person
with
the
most
money
and
influence
wins
the
mayor's
race,
and
I
agree
with
that-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
here
agree
with
that
and
would
say
that
that
is
the
number
one
problem
in
our
democracy
and
I've
seen
a
head
not
from.
L
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
from
alderman
when
head,
not
there
too,
and
I
saw
head
nod
from
alderman
newsma,
I
don't
have.
S
L
In
the
back
of
my
head,
but
maybe
alderman
council
member
news,
kerry,
karis
and
I
maybe
the
councilmember
revell-
also
nodded,
but
if
that
is
the
biggest
problem
in
our
democracy,
and
we
think
that
our
elections
go
to
the
people
who
have
the
most
money,
then
maybe
that's
something
we
should
really
be
addressing,
and
maybe
that
should
be
at
the
top
order
of
something
we're
addressing,
particularly
as
we're
considering
proposals
like
rank,
choice,
voting
and
other
amendments.
K
I
The
way
I
read
the
code,
however,
there
was
that
supreme
court
1974
supreme
court
case
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
talked
about
a
referendum.
The
referendum
has
the
ability
to
override
the
municipal
code
so
because
I'm
not
even
clear
if
we
can
actually
print
ballots
for
ranked
choice.
Voting.
At
this
point,
I
would
say
that
my
advice
would
be
that
we
would
have
to
have
a
primary
if
we
went
to
a
stronger
form
of
government.
H
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
in
my
previous
comments,
I
was
not
referring
to
our
current
mayor
or
any
previous
mayor,
or
for
that
matter
my
comments
are
intended
only
on
the
the
system
of
government,
with
no
respect
to
any
of
the
individuals
that
may
or
may
not
be
involved
now
or
in
the
future.
H
T
Had
one
question,
if
I
could,
for
I
think,
council
member
newsma,
can
you
just
explain
to
me,
you
know
I'm
open
to
hearing
you
know
I
don't
really.
I
don't
have
a
strong
feeling,
one
way
or
the
other,
but
can
you
explain
why
you
think
you
know
another
form
of
government
would
preclude
having
a
qualified
city
manager
because
you
said
it
wouldn't
allow
us
to
have
us.
You
know.
L
I
That
I
not
as
I
read
them
specifically
under
the
municipal
code,
it
talks
about
the
the
fire
and
police,
the
board
of
fire
and
police
commissioners
and
selection
process
of
civil
service
employees.
Generally
speaking,
the
municipal
code,
when
it
talks
about
civil
service
employees,
is
talking
about
police
and
fire.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
just
council
member
kelly,
I
wanted
to
you,
know,
share
my
analogy,
obviously
as
an
employee
of
district
202,
and
I
don't
know
how
long
you
have
been
teaching.
I
I
said
this.
This
is
just
my
thought
process.
It
makes
as
much
sense
to
vote
in
someone
who's
a
strong
mayor,
as
it
makes
the
amount
sense
to
vote
in
the
superintendent.
A
I
think
that
comes
up
where
I'm
now
feeding
into
the
next
question,
which
is
talking
about
the
roles
of
of
council
members
and
I'll,
have
some
direction
there,
but
I
think
we
did
you
want
to
say
something
yeah.
Just
one
thing
came
into
mind,
also
sure.
B
What
other
municipalities
do
to
prevent
a
disruption
of
city
services,
then,
is
appoint
a
bunch
of
deputy
commissioners
or
deputy
directors,
assistant
directors.
So,
budgetarily
speaking,
I
think
I'm
not
sure
that
we
even
have
the
budget
to
handle
it
without
raising
taxes
substantially,
because
you
would
need
to
ensure
that
every
four
years,
once
those
political
appointees
go
away
or
maybe
go
away,
that
you've
got
solid
staff.
That's
able
to
continue
running
the
operations
so
just
something
to
consider
point
of.
L
B
No,
no,
I
didn't
mean
that
the
that
the
mayor
or
the
mayor
council,
former
government
would
have
carte
blanche
authority.
That
would
have
to
be
something
that
would
be
proposed
and
voted
in
the
budget.
But
it's
something
to
consider
because,
for
instance,
if
we
had,
if
all
the
directors
here
were
political
appointees,
if
in
at
the
end
of
four
years
the
administration
changes,
then
typically
those
top
tier
senior
staff
go
with
that
administration
change.
So
you
have
to
have
someone
under
that
director
position
or
commissioner
position
that
understands
how
to
run
the
department.
A
A
I
started
the
conversation
by
saying
that
our
last
candidate
put
that
in
his
contract
and
I'm
not
really
clear
where
that
came
from,
but
the
fact
that
he
did
that,
I
think,
is
something
that
we
all
need
to
be
mindful
of,
and
I
do
appreciate
your
comments.
Council
member
news
in
terms
of
clarification,
as
well
as
our
current
city
manager,
just
allow
the
notes
to
reflect
that
mayor.
Biss
was
not
present
for
this
conversation
as
well
as
council
members
suffered
in
mayor
bishop.
A
A
One
I
also
shared
that
there
have
been
conversations
within
our
residents,
and
you
heard
that
clearly
during
public
comments
and
then
my
third
reason
for
bringing
it
up.
I
was
very
surprised
by
the
fact
that
our
current
well,
our
former
candidate
for
city
manager,
thought
that
he
need
to
put
that
in
his
contract.
A
T
That
the
purpose,
then
of
putting
kind
of
a
very
lightweight
discussion
of
this
tonight
is
to
I
mean
I'm
just
it,
I'm
not
really
seeing
I'm
still
not
saying.
I
understand
the
chronology
of
events
that
happen
in
the
past
and
but
I'm
still
not
understanding
what
your
goal
is
in
having
this
on
the
agenda
tonight
like
what?
What
kind
of
what
was
your
what's
mo,
I
don't
understand.
I.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Next
item
that
we
have
is
in
again
being
mindful
of
time.
We
have
a
very
long,
robust
community
human
services
meeting
is
discussion
on
the
role
of
city,
council
and
council
members
for
managerial
form
of
municipal
government.
I
think
that
again,
this
is
something
that
I've
discussed
and
I've
heard
from
residents.
In
terms
of
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
speak
to
this,
what
do
we
actually
do?
A
What
do
we
do
as
council
members
and
there's
so
many
different
ideas
in
terms
of
do
we
have
a
staff
and
when
I'm
called,
I
tell
them
that
you're
speaking
to
the
staff
and
I'm
in
my
office
in
my
car,
and
so
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
unpack
it,
but
the
the
invitation
of
council
members
is,
we
don't
necessarily
have
any
clear
criteria
in
terms
of
in
not
requesting
that
we
need
to,
but
there's
no
clear,
clear
criteria
in
terms
of
what
our
roles
is.
That's
that's
stated
publicly
for
someone
who's
running.
A
P
Well,
mr
chair,
I
I
think
I
think
we
all
could
have
many
many
comments
on
this,
but
I
think
fundamentally,
it's
in
the
first
sentence
here
of
the
of
the
second
paragraph,
which
is
the
powers
of
the
council
or
board,
shall
be
purely
legislative.
Yes,.
P
P
We're
the
policy
makers
and
and
and
that's
what
I've
explained
to
the
community
as
well,
and
I
think,
and
they
also
I
also
many
times-
explain,
I'm
one
of
nine
and
so
and
you
can
convince
me,
but
we
need
to
convince
others
as
well.
So,
just
like
any
other
legislative
body,
it's
a
collaborative
deliberative
body
that
that
works
for
the
good
of
the
community.
L
Yeah
just
we're
wrapping
up,
but
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
you
know
the
role
of
accounts
members,
I
think
was
just
said
just
purely
legislative,
and
that
means
that
also
that
the
role
of
staff
is
not
legislative,
so
I
think
making
sure
that
we're
creating
clear
distinctions
between
what
is
a
legislative
role
and
what
is
not
a
legislative
role.
Both
ways
will
be
healthy
for
this
form
of
government.
A
H
I
like
that
idea,
we
do
have
residents
in
the
fourth
ward,
and
maybe
others
have
heard
the
discussion,
lamenting
the
fact
that
there
is
no
job
description
for
an
alderman,
so
you're
a
council
member.
I
think
that's
what
you're
asking
for.
H
And
I
will,
I
will
add
that
our
our
role
is
really
not
just
legislative,
not
just
setting
policy.
First
and
foremost,
that's
what
we're
here
for,
but
councilmember
braithwick.
You
also
mentioned
constituent
services.
H
You
alluded
to
our
our
role
that
we
play
in
community
engagement
and
communications,
and
we
also
represent
our
community
in
other
forums.
For
example,
I
had
a
call
today
from
somebody.
Who's
com
has
a
problem
with
with
airplane
routes
over
the
neighborhood
and.
J
A
A
K
K
You
know
what
they
do
above
and
beyond
their
legislative
responsibility,
which
I,
what
I
will
say
is,
I
think
more
closely
tied
to
our
core
work
is
we're
elected
from
districts,
and
so
I
think
what
that
also
says
is
that
your
legislative
agenda
should
work
to
the
benefit
of
that
district,
which
would
really
imply
that
some
type
of
organizing
has
to
happen
like
you
need
some
form
of
you
need
a
mechanism
both
to
do
outreach,
but
also
to
get
feedback,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
in
mind.
K
L
A
Okay,
corporate.
Thank
you
so
much
for
leading
us
in
the
last
two
discussion
items
see
no
additional
items
in
front
of
us.
I'm
gonna
entertain
a
motion.
I
would
like
to
set
that
we
start
our
human
services
meeting
in
five
minutes.