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A
Welcome
everyone
to
the
rules
committee
meeting
of
monday
august,
1st
2022,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
so
we
can
begin
our
business.
And
the
first
item
is
public
comment
and
ray
friedman.
Would
you
like
to
tell
us
what's
on
your
mind,.
B
B
The
first
thing
that
I'd
like
to
mention
is
it's
actually
an
email
that
was
sent
out,
don't
know
if
everybody
received
it,
but
mike
vasilco
had
a
request
that
all
council
members
have
a
ward
meeting
at
least
six
times
a
year.
I
know
most
wars
do
have
monthly
ward
meetings.
B
B
B
It's
very
disturbing
to
me
that
you
would
have
two
three
four
ward
meetings
on
the
same
night
same
time.
Well,
I
would
go
to
all
of
them,
so
that's
impossible!
So
that's
it's!
Not
fair
residents
can't
stay
informed
if
they
can't
go
to
the
meetings
all
right.
The
other
option
is
to
record
them
which
I've
been
saying
for
years
and
people
are
objecting.
I
don't
know
why
we
can't
record
ward
meetings.
B
There
were
two
or
three
wards
that
did
record
their
meetings,
so
that
would
be
very
helpful,
so,
okay,
so
last
thing
I
have
for
now
is
to
comment
on
r3.
B
So
I
want
to
thank
council
member
claire
kelly
for
amending
this
to
include
residents
for
being
harassed.
B
I
was
a
part
of
that
to
between
two
and
three
years
ago,
coincidentally,
by
the
same
aldermen
who
brought
forward
this
item
to
so
there
were
two
aldermen
that
I
know
of
that
were
brought
up
brought
to
the
ethics
committee
on
those
kind
of
complaints
on
harassment
being
bullied.
B
I
was
told
by
the
mayor,
not
mayor
bis,
but
the
mayor
said
that
they
used
the
wrong
code
and
he
could
be
the
violation,
could
result
in
jail
time,
and
so,
when
I
testified,
I
said
this
is
not
a
jailable
offense.
B
A
Oh,
so
the
mayor
thinks
maybe
she
signed
up
for
council
instead.
Okay,
so
we'll
go
on
with
our
rules
committee
agenda,
then.
The
first
item
is
approval
of
the
rules
committee
meeting
minutes
for
june
6.
Could
someone
please
make
a
motion.
C
A
Second,
okay,
then
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
oppose
no
okay.
We
have
approval
of
the
rules
committee
meeting
minutes.
Then
our
items
for
consideration,
mayor
bis.
Would
you
like
to
move
r1.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
move
that
we
recommend
the
approval
of
resolution.
58-R-22
amending
city
council
rule
5.6.2.
Second,.
A
Okay,
council,
member
reid.
C
Yeah,
I
I
support
generally
the
concept
here.
I
I
do
wonder
we
have
a
few
other
rules
that
are
similar
to
this.
That
say
that
only
a
community
member
can
chair
committees
that
are
reporting
to
a
standing
committee,
and
then
this
rule
says
that
committees
that
report
directly
to
council
must
be
chaired
by
a
council
member,
and
so
I'm
wondering
do
we
want
to
just
kind
of
eliminate.
C
If
this
rule
is
superfluous,
then
I
think
maybe
the
other
rule
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
either.
E
C
So,
yes,
I
I
I'd
move
that.
Let
me
get
a
little
cleaner
that
this
chair,
I
mean.
I'm
a
chair,
a
council.
Rugby.
Do
you
happen
to
have
the
rules
in
front
of
you?
I
believe
it's
the
corresponding.
So
if
this
is
five
six
two,
then
it's
likely
five
six.
C
I
would
say
this:
the
entire
section
that
says
there's
a
section
that
talks
about
who
can
chair
what
committees,
depending
on,
if
it's
reported
in
council
or
reporting
to
a
standing
committee,
and
as
opposed
to
amending
this
I'd,
just
suggest
we
just
strike
all
of
it.
So
it's
five
six
two.
C
Six
two
five,
six
three
yeah
and
we
no
longer
have
a
zoning
board
of
appeals
correct
it's
now.
The.
C
Land
you
so
I
think
I
my
motion
is
that
we
eliminate
562
and
563
that
we
were
update
the
language
for
zoning
board,
of
appeals
to
land
use,
commission
and
everything
else.
I
mean
special
committee,
that's
ad
hoc
appointed
by
the
mayor.
That
makes
sense.
C
If
just
to
be
clear
so
right
now
we're
we're
changing
the
language
of
562
to
limit
essentially
eliminate
562.,
so
I
would
just
say
we
eliminate
it
and
eliminate
five
six
three,
which
is
the
same.
You
know
essentially
the
same
thing
as
five
six
two,
but
in
the
inverse
and
then
my
last
thing
is
with
five
six
four:
we
no
longer
have
the
zoning
board
of
appeal.
So,
while
we're
here,
we
might
as
well
just
change
it
to
land
use
commission.
So
it's.
A
A
Right
council,
member
mayor,
biss.
D
Thanks
man,
I'm
chair,
I'm
certainly
in
agreement
with
the
substance
of
what
council
member
reed
is
proposing.
I
just
want
to
I'm
sorry
for
this
dumb
question.
The
it
seems
like
5.6.2
and
five
and
6.3
do
two
things
one
is
they
restrict?
Who
can
be
the
chair
in
a
way
that
we're
trying
to
do
away
with
the
other?
Is
they
determine
who
appoints
the
chair?
D
If
you
strike
these
in
their
entirety
who's?
How
does
it
determined
who
the
chair
is.
C
Oh
sorry,
it's
not
a
touchscreen,
I'm
not
sure
if
there
is
another
rule,
but
in
in
that
case
we
can.
I
believe
another
rule
addresses
this
I'll
pull
up
my
own
copy
of
the
rules
here.
G
Wanna,
I
knew
the
five
point,
this
five
point
that
was
gonna,
throw
things
off.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
with
what
I'm
saying
or
willing
to
support
is.
It
seems
like
we're
saying
whether
you're
a
community
member
or
an
elected
official,
you
should
be
able
to
serve
on
any
committee
if
you're
interested-
and
you
have
the
support
of
you-
know-
whoever
makes
that
appointment,
whether
it's
the
committee
or
you
know
the
mayor
or
some
other
some
other
way.
G
A
I
Member
kelly,
so
I
wondered
while
councilmember
reed
is
looking
that
up
to
see
if
appointment
of
chair
exists
somewhere
else,
if
I
could
propose
just
a
tiny
amendment
to
this
to
change
out
citizens
with
residents.
If
that's,
if
mirabis
accepts
that
it's
a
friendly
amendment.
I
D
A
H
I
I
think
that
we
should
move
forward
with
r1
at
this
point,
because
we
all
are
in
agreement
with
that
and
then,
while
councilmember
reed
does
his
research,
I
mean
we
can
take
this
vote
and
then
discuss
the
next
vote.
C
Yeah,
I
I
think
what
what
makes
sense
here
is
just
striking
in
five
six,
two
and
five
six
three,
so
the
language
would
say:
committees
consisting
of
council
members
and
residents.
I
think
we
should
say
would
which
report
directly
to
council
shall
have
a
chair
appointed
by
the
rules
committee
for
the
term,
determined
by
the
rules
committee
and
then
563
would
say:
committees
consisting
of
council
members
and
residents
which
report
to
standing
committees
shall
have
a
chair,
well
yeah
elected
by
members
of
the
the
committee.
D
So
so,
councilman
reid
is
proposing
to
strike
forwards,
he's
proposing
to
strike
the
words
a
councilmember
as
from
5.6.2,
which
is
already
in
our
packet
and
he's
proposing
also
to
strike
the
word
citizen
from
5.6.3.
C
E
Which
again
the
the
who
appoints
the
chair
would
not
change
the
body
appoints
to
the
chair
would
not
change.
The
only
thing
we're
saying
is:
you
cannot
be
excluded
from
holding
the
chair
position
just
for
being
a
community
member
or
an
elected
official.
That's
it
correct,
okay!
Yes,
I
will
second
that.
C
Yeah,
so
the
motion
is
to
amend
r1
to
essentially
just
include
563
and
strike
the
word
citizen.
C
And
also,
I
think,
while
we're
at
it,
I
think
it's
not
a
big
lift
to
just
say
everywhere
in
the
document,
let's
replace
the
word
citizen
with
resident.
So
that's
that's
the
thing.
A
Why
don't
we
make?
Why
don't
we
have
that
be
a
separate
motion
so
right
now
we're
amending
5.6.2.
C
Replace
the
word
citizen
in
563,
their
citizen
is.
F
A
Okay,
so
everybody
in
the
committee
clear
on
this:
do
we
have
a
second
to
your
emotion
to
your
motion?
I
guess
councilmember
burns
seconded
that.
C
A
The
motion
carries
thank
you
and
then
do
you
want
to
make
another
motion
about
replacing
the
word
citizens
with.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
have
those
two
passed
so
now
we're
remem
ready
for
r2.
A
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
so,
council
member
kelly,
could
you
make
a
motion
with
r2?
Please.
C
C
C
I
Okay,
so
if
they
have,
if
that's
part
of
the
bylaws
discussion
or
rules
regarding
membership,
that
is.
I
A
Thank
you
all
right,
then
I
can
I'm
just
since
this
one
was
not
amended,
I'm
happy
to
have
oops
except
I
we
can
do
a
voice.
A
We
can
just
do
a
voice.
Okay,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
opposed
no
all
right,
so
we
have
amended
the
membership
for
the
environment
board
and
council
member
wynn.
Would
you
move
item
r3,
flores.
H
I
I
Well,
I
did
it's
been
amended
already
right,
the
amended
language
is
in
there,
including
residents
so
and
taking
out.
I
think
it
was
like
intended
or
perceived
threat.
So
it
just
reads
now
the
fourth
bullet
point
under
official
misconduct
to
include
residents
so
exercises
so
prohibited
harassment
may
include,
but
not
limited
to
intimidating
or
coercing
a
covered
person
or
city
resident
such
that
the
behavior
creates
a
hostile
environment.
So
I'm
I'm
satisfied
with
that
amended
language.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
councilman
kelly,
the.
A
Okay,
councilmember
reid.
C
C
A
I
mean
this
language
is
coming
from
the.
C
It
seems
like
it's
coming
from
the
state
law
regarding
harassment,
and
so
truly
our
state
law
covers
this,
and,
and
this
would
be
official
misconduct
under
a
state
law
which
I
believe
is
a
felony
and
so
it
it
seems
like
we're
taking
again
taking
something
that
would
be
a
felony
and
we're
making
it
a
municipal
ordinance
violation
and
really
the
only
people
who
can
violate
this.
Are
you
know,
city
staff
and
council
members,
so
it
seems
like
we're
actually
downgrading
something
that
maybe
should
be
felonious
for
a
council.
F
Thank
you,
councilman
our
chair
rebel.
Just
because
we're
adding
this
to
the
ordnance,
it
does
not
mean
that
it's
not
a
felony.
The
charges
can
be
brought
in
both
places
under
state
law
or
the
city
ordinance.
So
there
is
the
option
for
both
it's
just.
The
city
is
now
codifying
what
is
also
state
law,
but
it's
still
a
felony
under
state
law.
H
H
It's
a
felony,
but
and
also
that
they
would
have
to
go
to
court
for
it,
as
opposed
to
this
would
be
heard
before
our
ethics
board,
and
you
know,
certainly
I
don't
want
to
stop
anyone
from
going
to
court,
but
I
think
that
this
does
provide
an
intermediate
level
of
sanction
that
would
be
available
to
someone
who
who
brought
a
grievance.
So
I
support
moving
forward
with
this.
A
H
C
There
could
be
a
sense
of
you
know:
potential
almost
coercion
into
making
people
feel
as
though
they
have
to
go
through
this
system,
because
I'm
going
after
you
know,
in
this
case
an
elected
official
who
people
could
perceive
as
powerful,
and
so
they
feel
somehow
coerced
or
threatened
in
some
way
or
fear
retaliation.
So
they
go
the
lesser
route
as
opposed
to
going.
What
should
I
mean?
This
is
a
fairly
serious
again.
C
This
would
be
you
know,
making
racial
racially
threatening
or
taunting
jokes
toward
a
city
staff
member
this
this
isn't
again
making
fun
of
somebody's
glasses
this.
What
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
pretty
serious,
so
I
just
want
us
to
keep
that
in
mind
and
then
just
council
rugby,
just
for
my
own
edification.
C
If
someone
were
to,
there
are,
let's
say,
state
charges
for
some
serious,
some
felonious
defense
and
then
there's
a
felony,
then
there's
a
similar
charge
at
the
federal
level
for
the
exact
same
offense,
so
you're
saying
someone
could
be
charged
for
murder.
H
F
So
that
that
couldn't
happen,
basically
because
the
the
federal
like
if
there
was
a
federal
murder,
there's
only
certain
laws
in
which
it
would
be
a
federal
crime.
So
if
it
like,
if
the
murderer
crossed
state
lines,
that
would
be
in
the
jurisdiction
of
the
federal
court.
F
I
So
I
did
also
inquire
about
this
with
legal
before
and
a
lot
of
those.
The
first
bullet
point
is,
as
relates
to
protected
status,
as
is
physical
conduct.
I
mean
all
those
bullet
points
are
all
tied
to
protected.
D
I
I
H
A
Okay,
then,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
oppose
okay!
Thank
you.
So
we
have
concluded
our
business
whoops
mayor,
biss,.
D
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
apologize
to
the
group
there's
a
bit
of
a
scheduling
snafu,
which
is
why
our
next
meeting
is
at
6
30,
and
so
we
have.
We
have
a
little
bit
of
a
break,
so
there
was
some
miscommunication
that
resulted
in
that,
but
I
would
ask
that
everyone
be
here
promptly
at
6
30,
so
that
we
can
get
kept
moving
as
efficaciously
as
possible.
D
Yeah
I
mean
so
so
I
really
wish
that
we
had
posted
the
meeting
for
six
or
or
even
5
30,
but
we
messed
up
my
apologies.
The
open
meetings
are
being
what
it
is.
We
certainly
can't
move
it
up.
It
has
to
begin
at
6
30
or
later,
but
I
would
just
ask
that
again
it
took
30
sharp,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
different
members
of
counsel
are
on
tight
schedules
and
I
want
to
be
your
special
development
time.