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A
B
D
A
Thank
you
motion
passes,
and
next
we
have
next.
We
have
public
comment
and
by
the
direction
of
the
staff.
You'll
be
called
up
for
three
minute
max
of
public
comment.
Welcome
to
the.
E
Meeting
okay.
H
G
Okay,
good
evening
to
the
members
of
the
rules
committee,
carlos
sutton,
a
member
of
the
fifth
ward,
I
want
to
express
my
opposition
tonight
to
the
proposed
rule,
126
r20.
The
attempt
to
suppress
public
comment
on
the
vague
notion
that
it
might
be
disruptive
or
in
some
ways
of
preventing
people
from
doing
their
business.
G
We,
as
have
been
going
to
these
meetings
for
years
and
very
practical.
I
first
want
to
thank
the
police
when
they
were
called
into
the
city
council
meetings
for
their
politeness
and
their
patience
when
they
were
called
in
to
attend
several
meetings.
But
as
we
attend
this,
this
proposed
amendment
is
vague.
It's
basically
unenforceable
and
it's
attempt
to
suppress
anyone
who
disagrees
with
the
people
who
are
calling
the
meeting,
and
I
find
it
systematically
a
way
to
suppress
free
speech
and
comments
from
citizens.
G
G
I
I
I
You
threaten
citizens
with
being
ejected
from
a
virtual
meeting
or
muted
again,
if
a
chairperson
deems
it
to
be
so
so
it's
all
very
subjective,
without
definition.
So
if
you're,
during
which
citizens
would
have
no
recourse,
so
if
you're
going
to
pass
a
resident
or
try
to
pass
a
resolution
like
this
and
like
mr
sutton
was
just
alluding
to,
then
you
need
to
provide
more
clarity,
which
words
exactly
are
you
going
to
ban?
I
I
I
So
I
agree
with
mr
sutton:
you
should
not
pass
this.
You
should
reject
it.
It
shouldn't
have
even
come
up
before
you
I'm
going
to
stick
in
my
comment
regarding
human
services
now,
because
I
don't
intend
to
waste
my
time
coming
back
for
that
ultimate
fisk.
Apparently,
who
wants
to
ban
somebody's
use
of
their
front
property
or
their
property
in
any
way
shape
or
form
is
a
ridiculous
thing
to
bring
forward
if
somebody's
causing
a
disturbance.
I
There
are
already
rules
for
that.
I
think
in
the
city
that
can
be
enforced,
but
to
ban
something
called
beer
pong
which
I've
heard
is
on
every
campus
of
every
university
in
the
country
is
just
another
overreach.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
K
K
The
recent
actions
of
the
city
council
have
resulted
in
public
outcry
by
residents
and
a
call
for
a
more
transparent
government.
This
resolution
seems
to
be
in
response
to
an
uptick
in
public
comments
that
have
held
the
city
council
and
its
dealings
in
a
negative
light.
K
K
So,
instead
of
passing
an
amendment
that
would
further
restrict
the
voices
of
residents
during
city
council
meetings,
we
should
be
looking
further
into
what
causes
these
grievances
and
how
these
issues
can
further
be
resolved.
The
resolution
itself
is
too
filled
with
ambiguity,
to
be
a
responsible
amendment
to
the
rules
and
organization
of
the
city
council.
K
So
I
ask
that
the
city
council
clarify
these
rules
further
to
limit.
That
said,
ambigu
ambiguity
that
is
currently
in
the
language,
and
I
hope
that
the
city
council
will
see
that
residents
are
frustrated
with
the
lack
of
transparency
and
will
work
to
heal
the
division
between
residents
and
the
council
itself.
Thank
you.
L
Okay,
thank
you
sorry
about
that
good
evening,
good
afternoon
rules,
committee,
coincidentally,
well
first
before
I
make
my
comment,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
last
three
people
mike
and
carlos,
and
this
gentleman
who
just
spoke.
Of
course
I
agree.
150
percent
with
at
the
rules
committee
now
I'd
like
to
talk
about
rules.
What's
the
purpose
intent
of
the
rules,
what
are
the
consequences
when
the
rules
are
not
followed?
L
L
L
I'm
asking
you
now
to
please
place
on
the
agenda
next
week
for
discussion
and
action,
a
public
participation
ordinance.
This
will
greatly
enhance
the
community
involvement
and
allow
for
the
discussion
that
is
intended
by
all
of
these
public
comments.
As
we
spoken
about
in
the
past,
let's
go,
let's
start
the
new
year
on
the
right
path
and
let
the
residents
get
involved.
L
M
Good
evening,
everyone
I
would
like
to
make
a
comment
on
public
comment
to
me.
You
should
be
able
to
say
what
you
want
to
say
as
long
as
you
don't
use
profanity.
M
If
we
want
to
oppose
a
building
or
something
that
someone
has
said
that
should
be
allowed
as
long
as
we're
not
using
profanity,
then
sometimes
older
persons
respond
to
public
comment,
and
you
say
at
the
beginning
of
each
meeting
that
the
alderman
or
mayor
or
someone
is
not
supposed
to
respond
to
public
comment.
But
you
selectively
respond
to
the
comments
that
you
want
to
respond
to.
So
if
you
want
to
make
a
response
to
a
public
comment,
then
you
should
allow
the
public
commenter
to
have
a
chance
to
respond
to
what
you
say.
M
Also,
all
city
meetings,
as
I
said
before,
including
this
one
should
be
recorded,
then
you
can
see
certain
behaviors
from
both
parties.
The
people
making
public
comment
and
the
city
officials
will
be
on
record
at
all
times.
M
N
Hi,
my
name
is,
and
I
live
in
the
seventh
ward.
I
wanted
to
speak
tonight
quickly
on
the
idea
that
you're
going
to
begin
sort
of
subjectively
and
arbitrarily
choosing
what
comments
are
allowed
and
what
comments
are
not
allowed
and
by
cutting
the
mic
of
citizens
that
are
trying
to
express
their
ideas
and
opinions.
N
I
also
would
like
to
speak
on
the
rules
for
on
special
order
of
business
you're,
considering
changing
the
rules
on
special
order
of
business,
and
it
seems
as
if
the
the
way
that
you're
changing
the
rules
makes
this
almost
not
a
special
order
of
business
and
the
very
specific
things
that
happen
with
the
special
order
of
business
that
it
has
to
be
a
date
certain
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
N
So
I'm
just
worried
by
cutting
this
this
rule
for
special
order
business
almost
in
half,
you're,
really
sort
of
diluting
the
fact
that
this
is
a
special
order
of
business
and
how
that
needs
to
be
approached.
So
I
would
just
ask
for
your
consideration
and
exploring
that
a
little
bit
more
before
you
make
that
that
change
to
to
the
special
order
business,
but
also,
more
importantly,
that
that
the
idea
that
you're
going
to
change
the
rules
for
public
comment
would
really
encourage
you
not
to
do
that.
N
We're
already
being
the
voices
of
people
are
already
being
minimized
and
it's
already
hard
enough
through
zoom
meetings
and
whatever
else.
So
I
was
encouraged
to
hear
sebastian
speak
about
it
that,
if
he's
a
mayoral
candidate
as
well,
that
that
he
would
applaud
and
celebrate
the
voices
of
the
people
as
well.
N
So
I
would
ask
you
to
please
really
consider
that
I
know
when,
when
judy
fisk
limited
speaking
at
a
rules,
committee
meeting
very
arbitrarily
selecting
a
period
of
time
that
she
just
chose
out
of
thin
air
for
one
minute,
the
attorney
general's
office
shut
that
down
so
without
very
specific
rules
about
what
you're
going
to
call.
You
know,
however,
you're
going
to
do
this.
It
seems
arbitrary
and
subjective,
and
I
would
really
encourage
you
not
to
do
this
tonight.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
P
A
second
eva
can
we
discuss
now.
P
Right,
thank
you,
chairwoman.
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
status.
I
know
that
the
four
months
ago
we
met
on
august
3rd
2020
in
in
those
minutes.
We
talk
about
the
missing
executive
session,
audio
recordings
in
minutes,
including
the
may
29
2018
and
may
7
2018.
P
What's
the
status
of
those,
I
don't
know
if
the
clerk's
here
and
he
could
speak
to
the
status
and
I'm
curious
on
the
status
of
these
minutes,
because
that
was
four
months
ago
and
he
did
state
at
that
meeting
that
there
would
be
no
problem
getting
these
done
before
this
council
is
no
longer
in
session,
which
is
in
may.
Q
I
am
here
I
wasn't
planning
on.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
order,
I'm
happy
to
discuss
this
at
you
know.
I
wasn't
prepared
to
discuss
this
at
this
moment.
It's
not
on
the
agenda,
nor
noticed
what
you're
doing
now
is
simply
approving
the
minutes
and
not
having
discussion
on
this
other
matter.
So
I.
P
Q
Yeah,
I
just
it's
out
of
order
to
have
this
discussion
now,
based
on
the
open
meetings
that
this
wasn't
noticed.
So
so
I'll.
A
H
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
rules
committee
alexander
ruggie
asked
I
can
report
from
the
law
department.
We
have
not
received
these
minutes
and
we
do
not
have
any
update
from
the
law
department.
J
J
A
Okay,
I'll
wait
because
I
don't
know
that
it
if
I
missed
something
for
this
agenda
item
keep
going.
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
took
the
role
right
and
so
that
motion
actually
passed
yeah.
Okay,
perfect!
So
we're
going
to
move
on
to
items
for
consideration.
A
P
So
this
schedule,
I
think,
looks
fine,
it's
every
it's
every
other
month.
The
only
suggestion
I
would
have
is
moving
up
the
april
5th
meeting,
because
the
election
literally,
is
that
next
day,
on
april,
6th
I'd
suggest
moving
that
up
to
the
prior
monday,
which
would
have
been
monday
march.
P
Excuse
me:
well
it
actually,
I
mean
so
it
could
be
march
29th
or
you
could
bump
it
till
after
april
5th.
Just
I
just
think
that
week
is
a
tough
week,
because
it
is
literally
the
next
day
is
the
elections,
and
a
lot
of
aldermen
are
running
again.
E
P
P
E
E
A
Possibly
so
I
don't
want
to
take
it
off,
the
calendar,
we'll
still
be
seated
at
the
80th
city
council
will
still
be
seated.
So
if
you
can
put
it
on
the
12th,
if
there
is
support
to
put
it
on
the
12th,
then
if
there
is
no
business,
then
we
can
always
cancel
for
lack
of
new
business,
and
if
there
is,
then
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
our
business.
E
S
T
A
And
the
there's
a
meeting
that
is
the
day
before
the
election
for
the
81st
city
council,
and
we
want
to
change
that
meeting,
not
to
burden
the
incumbent
candidates.
R
P
N
J
P
Change
it,
they
could
have
a
conversation
about
changing
it,
but
at
least
let's
get
it
calendared.
U
D
D
V
A
R
Rainey,
I
listened
very
carefully
to
the
public
comment
on
this.
R
I
don't
think
I
I
was
a
few
minutes
late
to
the
meeting,
but
I
don't
think
any
member
of
the
council
placed
this
item
on
our
agenda,
so
we,
you
know,
we
heard
a
lot
of
criticism
for
being
on
here
and
I,
for
one
would
just
assume
it
not
be
on
our
agenda,
so
I
I
understand
the
need
for
decorum
on
our
virtual
platforms.
R
R
But
I
don't
I
I
I
don't
think
any
of
us
put
these
places
on
the
agenda.
I
think
this
was
staff
driven,
so
we're
not
the
bad
guys.
Some
think
we
are,
I
mean
we
might
be
bad,
but
not
because
we
put
this
on
the
agenda.
R
U
When,
yes,
I
my
question
is
I
I
guess
this
would
be
to
see
staff
is
that
in
our
in
our
regular
rules
we
do
have.
We
do
have
rules
about
someone
who
makes
loud,
threatening,
personal
or
abusive
uses
abusive
language
do
is.
U
Is
it
necessary
for
us
to
wouldn't
that
fold
into
any
type
of
comments
that
are
made
on
our
zoom,
our
virtual
meetings,
or
is
there
something
that
we
need
to
do,
because
it
looks
like
we
already
have
this
a
provision
that
stops
people
from
being
disruptive
or
or
disrupting
it
behaving
in
a
using
abusive
language.
F
Good
evening,
chair
members
of
the
city
council
rules
committee,
luke,
stowe,
interim
director
of
administrative
services.
Essentially
what
we're
staff
is
recommending
is
we're
just
trying
to
modernize.
What's
already
existing
in
our
city
roles,
section
6.8,
I
think
alderman
is
referring
to
section
6.8
and
we're
simply
trying
to
modernize
it
for
2020
in
the
zoom
platform.
I
also
want
to
clarify
that
came
up.
I
believe
in
public
comment
about
recording
meetings.
All
meetings
are
recorded.
F
They
are
either
recorded
via
the
zoom
platform,
or
they
recorded
via
anderson,
like
this
meeting,
for
example,
is
not
recorded
on
the
zoom
platform,
because
it's
being
recorded
by
anderson,
broadcast
on
youtube
and
channel
16.
speaking
of
channel
16.
We
also
have
an
obligation
to
maintain
some
level
of
decorum
due
to
the
fit
the
fact
that
we
are
broadcasting
on
youtube
in
channel
16..
F
For
the
most
part,
we've
had
pretty
good
success
throughout
this
run.
Since
march
of
broadcasting
virtual
meetings
northwestern
had
a
very
serious
incident
several
months
ago,
with
the
zoom
bombing,
inappropriate,
videos
and
images
being
shared
is
a
highly
disruptive
and
disturbing
event.
The
city
clerk
has
also
been
when
he
was
holding
a
police
zoom
meeting
on
police
topics.
There
was
a
pretty
significant
racist,
zoom
bombing
incident,
so
that
is
really.
F
The
focus
is
trying
to
provide
provisions
for
us
to
be
able
to
deal
with
those
types
of
issues
which,
hopefully,
we
never
have
to.
A
Ottoman
right,
I'm
sorry
alderman
with
alderman
wilson
and
then
ottoman
rainey.
T
T
Right
and
unfortunately,
we
have
actually
in
this
in
the
council,
meetings
have
had
situations
where
profanity
has
been
has
been
used
in
the
meetings,
and
you
know
it's.
You
know
that
old
expression
when
you're
playing
a
game
with
yeah
as
a
kid.
You
know
it's
ruining
it
for
everybody
right,
but
you
know
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
go
down
the
path
of
saying
that
we're
going
to
adopt.
T
You
know
george
carlin's,
seven
bad
words
or
you
know
the
overly
inclusive
provisions
in
the
fcc,
but
mr
stowe's
point
is
well
taken
is
that
these
are
broadcast
both
on
on
television
pretty
much
live.
I
don't
think
there's
really
any
opportunity
to
do
any
significant
editing
on
live
broadcasts,
and
so
I
I
think
just
you
know
letting
people
know
that
again.
T
These
profanity
is
not
okay
in
these
meetings,
you
know
threats,
you
know
pornographic
images,
things
that
it
seems
intuitive,
but
without
a
rule
somebody
could
take
issue
with
that
and
and
push
that
envelope,
and
I
don't
think
we
want
to
go
there
and.
F
We
hit,
we
have
had
incidents
in
public
comment
of
people
using
profanity.
Unfortunately,
we
do
sometimes
have
grade
school
and
high
school
students
who
are
following
along
for
a
school
project
and
whatnot
so
trying
to
be
considerate
of
that.
We
have
had
a
couple
incidents
too,
where
people
have
gone
way
over
there.
A
lot
of
time.
I
don't
mean
a
few
seconds.
I
mean
way
over
to
the
point
where
they
are
refusing
to
see
their
time
back
to
the
chair.
R
This
resolution
is
not
going
to
do
one
thing
for
the
zoom
bombing
that
northwestern
experienced
or
the
clerk
experience.
It
won't
do
a
thing
for
that.
So.
R
F
A
A
U
H
Good
evening,
madam
chairman
members
of
the
committee
alex
rugby
assistant
city
attorney,
I
can
speak
to
that.
The
reason
we
did
add
this
section
to
the
rules
is
simply
because
previously
to
the
pandemic
and
the
governor
suspending
the
in-person
meeting
requirements,
the
oma
actually
prevents
public
comment
from
being
held
virtually
or
via
the
telephone.
H
So
previously,
pursuant
to
statute
and
the
city
council
rules,
all
public
comment
had
to
be
in
person.
So
we
added
this
section
such
that
this
could
reflect
2020
the
pandemic
and
the
virtual
setting
with
the
idea
that
once
the
pandemic
ends
and
we're
able
to
hold
in-person
meetings,
this
can
go
away
as
we're
unsure.
If
the
illinois
legislator
is
going
to
continue
to
allow
virtual
public
comment
or
if
they
will
go
back
to
the
other
statute.
H
H
Several
times,
staff
has
had
incidents
where
people
are
being
are
using
profanity
or
out
of
order
and
staff
feels
uncomfortable,
taking
any
action,
whether
it
be
muting
or
rejecting
from
the
meeting,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
staff
is
looking
for
direction
on
how
you'd
like
us
to
handle
that.
If
we
have
a
city
council
rule
in
place,
then
staff
can
handle
this
equitably
for
anyone
that
uses
profanity
this
way
it
just.
It
just
gives
staff
more
direction
on
how
to
handle
these
issues.
S
So
I
do
think
to
have
a
tool
to
be
able
to
monitor.
That
is
a
really
good
thing.
It
doesn't
impede
on
anyone's
freedom
of
speech.
It
just
means
the
very
basic
of
being
courteous
when
you
speak
to
some
someone
and
if
that's
too
much
to
ask
in
this
they
in
society,
when
we
conduct
our
city
business,
where
we
sometimes
have
kids
boy
scouts,
girl,
scouts,
family
members
who
attend
these
meetings
and
we've
really
lost
our
way.
So
I'm
ready
to
support
this
one
hundred
percent.
S
In
fact,
I
think
there's
one
additional
thing
that
we
should
add-
and
I
and
I
haven't
seen
too
much
abuse
of
this,
but
from
time
to
time
with
council
members.
It
does
get
a
bit
heated.
S
It's
unfortunate
that
the
we
we've
lost
some
people
along
the
way
this
last
four
years
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
because
of
the
circus
that
has
been
created
by
a
few
members
of
of
our
of
our
town,
who
feel
that
it's
okay
to
say
and
feel
whatever
you
want
to
say
under
the
umbrella
of
freedom
of
speech,
and
I
think
that
there
should
be
some
limits
in
how
we
conduct
ourselves.
Thank
you.
B
Luke
in
a
in-person
meeting
does
the
chair
have
the
authority
and
the
ability
to
mute
the
public
comment
microphone
or
to
other
pathways
points
and
view
the
microphones
of
council
members
or
members
of
a
committee.
That's
been
done,
yes
question.
I
apologize
luke
if
it's
not.
B
An
in-person
meeting
do
the
rules
allow
for
the
the
chair
to
mute.
The
public
comment,
microphone
or
mute
to
ultimate
breakthrough
at
this
point,
beat
the
microphone
of
a
member
of
the
council
or
member
of
the
committee.
F
Yeah
I'll,
let
miss
ruggy
speak
to
this
as
well,
and-
and
I
recall
in
the
past
eight
years
there
have
been
a
couple
of
times
in
in-person
meetings
where
the
microphone
was
turned
off,
because
the
person
was
being
disruptive
going
way
over
time
and
refusing
to
see
their
time.
Yeah.
H
Yeah
that
is
correct.
The
chair
does
have
that
ability
it's
a
little
bit
different
via
zoom,
because
for
here
so
luke
snow
is
our
virtual
administrator.
So
you
know
there's
different
settings
for
who
can
view
cannot.
B
And
for
meetings
that
are
broadcast,
injecting
someone
really
doesn't
have
much
effect
because
they
can
still
follow
it
on
channel
16
or
on
youtube.
But
what
about
for
meetings
that
are
not
broadcast?
If
someone's
objected?
Is
there
a
way
for
them
to
continue
to
follow
the
proceedings
or
is
that
it
they're
they're?
Out
of
there.
F
That's
correct
that
in
that
case,
then,
if
it's
a
meeting,
that's
not
being
broadcast
live
by
anderson
on
youtube
or
or
channel
16,
they
might
not
have
the
access
to
to
be
able
to
continue
and
again
that
would
be
a
case
of
last
resort
and
and
we
have
not
permanently
injected
anyone
from
a
meeting
since
march.
That
has
never
happened
and
hopefully
never
will.
B
Okay
and
then
alex.
Maybe
this
is
a
question
for
you.
If
that
were
to
happen
to
somebody.
Is
that
a
denial
of
any
rights
of
theirs?
If
this
work,
if
it
were
say
a
cpa
meeting
or
something
where
they
have
an
interest
and
they've,
been
ejected
and
not
allowed
to
further
participate.
H
So
I'd
have
to
look
into
that.
It
would
depend
on
if
public
comment
was
over,
if
they
had
already
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
or
if
they
were
part
of
the
hearing
and
presenting
to
the
meeting
in
that
situation,
they
could
always
you
know,
attract
the
person,
take
a
ten
minute
break
and
for
the
entire
meeting
go
on
recess
and
then
open
the
meeting
back
up.
After
perhaps
everyone's
had
an
opportunity
to
calm
down,
I
believe
luke.
H
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
you
can
also
just
temporarily
place
someone
in
the
waiting
room
as
opposed
to
ejecting
them,
and
that
gives
them
kind
of
just
a
moment
to
collect
themselves
and
calm
down,
and
then
you
know
they
can
be
readmitted
to
the
meeting
so
that
that
might
be
a
better
option
in
those
smaller
meetings
that
aren't
broadcast.
B
In
an
in-person
meeting,
a
person
is
allowed
to
hold
up
a
sign
on
in
this
format.
Are
people
allowed
to
use
their
identifying
box
to
put
in
a
message,
or
has
that
been
prohibited?
As
we've
been
dealing
with
since
march.
H
Yes,
it's
unless
I
mean
unless
it's
if
they
use
profanity,
you
know
that
might
have
to
be
revisited
because
we
just
wouldn't
want
profanity
displayed
publicly.
But
yes,.
B
I
appreciate
the
difficult
position
that
you're
in
luke,
but
I
agree
with
all
my
brainy.
This
may
not
be
be
ready
to
go
right
now,
and
I
also
suggest
that
we
remove
it.
C
So
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
because
in
an
in-person
meeting
it
would
be
up
to
the
chair
of
the
meeting
to
be
determining
that
there
was
some
kind
of
disruptive
behavior,
but
in
this
one
are
we,
I
believe,
alex
you've
been
saying
that
this
is
this
is
needed
by
staff,
so
staff
can
staff
would
be
making
the
determination
that
that
the
comments
are
disruptive,
as
opposed
to
necessarily
the
chair
of
the
meeting.
H
Yeah
so
I
think
the
way
we
drafted.
That
is
simply
because
I
believe,
as
luke
stowe
is
the
zoom
administrator
in
this
situation,
he's
the
one
with
the
ability
to
mute
or
to
eject
someone
or,
if
there's
a
meeting
without
a
chair.
So
I
think
we
can
go
back
and
change
this
if
it's,
what
the
rules
committee
would
like
us
to
do,
but
we
can
specify
that
the
chair
has
the
ultimate
say,
but
then
the
administrator
would
carry
out
the
the
actions
of
the
chair.
S
It
does
just
as
a
point
of
information.
It
does
read
that
on
page
14
that
the
person
found
out
of
order
by
the
chair
of
the
meeting,
so
it
does
give
the
power
to
the
chair,
and
then
the
chair
would
invertedly
give
the
power
to
the
staff
to
remove
the
person
I
mean.
The
big
deal
is
if
they're
kind
and
courteous
with
their
words
and
they
don't
use
profanity
or
threatening
language.
We
don't
have
a
problem,
but
if
you
do
there's
a
remedy.
A
And
so
at
that
point
I
mean,
I
think,
I'm
agreeing
with
everyone
and
so
that
it
doesn't
seem
that
we
have
established
another
rule.
That
maybe
seems
like
we
are
silencing
some
resonance
if
we
just
use
the
language
and
the
the
the
rules
that
we
have
now
for
decorum
and
stick
virtual
meetings
apply
also,
and
that
way
it's
consistent.
A
My
point
is
that
I
agree
with
just
about
everyone:
that's
here
that
we
should
have
some
way
to
hold
everyone
accountable
to
decorum,
and
we
have
that
already
with
our
meeting
decorum
policy
and
we
can
just
state
either
in
a
separate
policy
or
expand
that
one
to
include
virtual
meetings
as
well,
and
so
I'm
asking
for.
I.
S
S
If
I
could
respond
in
two
parts,
I
mean
first,
if
there's
an
alignment
on
decorum,
then
yes,
we
all
are
on
the
same
page
with
the
exception
of
those
that
would
want
it
removed.
Secondly,
I
think
this
then
clarifies
the
position
that,
if
someone
does
it,
then
you
understand
what
the
consequences
are.
I
mean
in
an
adult
world
in
a
professional
setting
on
the
workplace.
You
can't
cost.
S
You
can't
threaten
anyone,
so
I
don't
understand
why
we
would
allow
that
in
a
professional
setting
where
we're
conducting
city
business
and
if
somebody
would
have
an
issue
with
it,
then
I'm
really
glad
that
we
have
a
rule
in
place
that
allows
the
chair
of
whatever
meeting
that's
being
governed
by
our,
whether
it's
city,
council
or
subcommittee,
that
it
says
that
you,
maybe
you
can
be
warned
once.
But
after
that
warning
you
will
be
muted
or
removed.
A
Forward
we're
30
minutes
into,
however
long
into
this
conversation
about
the
quorum,
and
we
already
have
standards
for
that.
If
we
can
apply
that
to
virtual
meetings
as
well,
do
we
meet
the
need,
the
the
goals
of
what
staff
is
recommending,
and
that
is
a
question
for
staff.
F
I,
if
I
could
just
speak
from
I
just
want
to
amplify
what
alderman
brady
was
saying.
You
know
I'm
not
interested
in
in.
F
You
know
we
have
seconds
to
get
rid
of
that,
so
that
is
you
know
in
that
case,
we're
interested
in
trying
to
move
very
quickly.
In
that
case,.
F
Sure,
sorry
about
that,
so
I
was
just
saying
that
I
wanted
to
amplify
what
ultimate
bracelet
was
saying
about
the
ability
you
know
we're.
Looking
staff
is
looking
for
direction
for
the
chair
to
to
provide
direction
if
someone
needs
to
be
muted
or
someone's
out
of
order
or
someone
needs
to
be
removed
from
the
meeting.
There
could
be
extreme
examples
where,
if
it's
a
zoom
bombing
incident,
it's
highly
inappropriate
information
or
images
or
video
that
someone
like
myself
who's
serving
as
a
web
admin
literally
has
seconds
to
basically
eject
that
person
from
the
meeting.
F
So
that
would
be
an
extreme
example
and
hopefully
would
never
happen.
But
you
know
we're
just
trying
to
you.
F
In
an
extreme
example,
like
you
know
like
in
the
northwestern
case
where
someone
was
broadcasting,
I
think
it
was
child
pornography
on
a
zoom
meeting.
You
don't
necessarily
have
time
to
ask
the
chair.
Is
it
okay?
If
I
remove
this
person
from
the
meeting,
you
want
the
ability
to
remove
that
person
immediately.
We.
C
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
if
we
look
at
our
existing
council
rules,
section
6-6.9
reads:
procedures
for
conduct
under
6.8,
which
talks
about
disorderly
conduct
shall
apply
to
meetings
held
by
the
city
council,
including
standing
committees
and
board
meetings,
and
we
could
amend
that
to
say
and
meetings
conducted
by
zoom
to
basically
the
whole.
C
Our
our
decorum
rules
that
we've
already
had
in
place
for
years
and
years
are
going
to
apply
in
our
virtual
meetings
as
well,
and
I
would
think
that
the
this
bombing
I
mean.
That's,
that's
not
public
comment,
that's
not
our
residence,
I
don't
think,
and
I
would
think
we
should
be
able
to
just
nip
that
in
the
bud,
no
matter
whether
we
have
a
rule
specific
for
that
or
not.
R
C
A
Can
you
can
you
give
feedback
to
admin,
reveals
recommendation,
please
staff.
S
I
mean
I
says
the
point
of
information
luke.
I
would
ask
that
you
just
referenced
the
document.
That's
in
front
of
us,
I
mean
for
all
of
us,
it's
pretty
clear,
so
you're
either
going
to
support
it
and
support
the
fact
that
we
need
to
have
these
reserves
or
not
to
support
it.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
out
of
staff's
hands
and
it's
now
it's
now
a
matter
of
whether
or
not
we
want
to
accept
this
as
a
rule
which
I
am
definitely
ready
to
vote
in
support
of.
F
I
think
I
I
think
I
completely
understand
both
sides
of
the
of
the
of
the
issue.
I
think
our
preference
miss
ruggy
and
I
our
preference
would
be
what
was
drafted.
Obviously,
if
there
is
an
amendment
or
update
to
our
current
city
rules
to
reflect
virtual
platforms
that
it's
at
least
meeting
some
of
the
goals
of
what
we
were
trying
to
attempt
to
accomplish.
A
F
Sure-
and
I
appreciate
your
questions
on
this-
you
know
I've
done
dozens
and
dozens
of
these
meetings
there's
just
there's
just
different
scenarios.
Obviously,
the
northwestern
example
is
an
extreme
example,
but
then
there's
been
other
cases
where
people
are
just
being
highly
disruptive
or
yelling
in
the
middle
of
the
meetings
or
unmuting
themselves,
yelling
meeting
themselves,
not
using
their
real
name.
So
there's
just
been
different
challenges.
I
I
do
like
how
miss
ruggy
is
specifically
spelled
out.
F
You
know
a
couple
different
options
here
where
the
person
is
found
out
of
order
by
the
chair
if
the
person's
interrupting
the
meeting
with
crude
or
offensive
behavior,
and
also,
if
they're
being
so
disrupted,
that
the
meeting
can't
continue
just
it
just
allows
more
flexibility.
B
All
right
so
as
it
pertains
to
29.2,
it
says
that
the
administrator
may
mute
the
person's
microphone
that
that
needs
to
have
something
at
the
direction
of
the
chair
right.
We've
agreed
on
that
that
the
administrator,
like
we've
gotta,
want
you
to
be.
In
that
situation.
B
B
All
right,
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
I
zoom
bombing
and
legitimate
public
comment
running
over
it's
a
lot
of
time
are
two
very
different
issues.
Absolutely
thanks.
U
Nguyen
well,
you
know
I've
taken
a
little
time
to
look
at
what
alderman
ravel's
suggestion
would
do,
and
I
I
think
that
I
I
fully
recognize
the
staff's
concerns,
but
I
do
I
do
think
under
6.9,
which
is
on
page
23
of
our
packet.
U
If
you
read
6.8,
which
is
the
rules
of
conduct
and
what
and
and
then,
if
there
is
someone
who
is
disrupting
or
disturbing
or
otherwise,
impeding
the
conduct
of
the
meeting,
the
mayor
or
presiding
officer
can
take
action
and
if,
if
we
and
then
there
are
a
few
other
things
here
about,
you
may
interrupt
a
speaker.
Who's
violating
these
rules
or
disrupting
a
meeting
and
the
mayor
or
her
presiding
officer,
may
provide
a
verbal
warning
to
the
attendee,
and
so
I
but
and
then
the
next
one
is.
U
Where
does
this
apply
and
it
says
procedures
for
contact
conduct
as
alderman
revell
said.
This
applies
to
meetings
held
by
the
city
council,
including
stamping
committees
and
ward
committees.
Board
meetings,
excuse
me
and
if
we
said,
and
all
virtual
meetings
there,
then
that
6.8
conduct,
which
sounds
almost
the
same
as
what's
in
this.
I
I
recognize
it's
not
exactly.
U
I
think
that
would
give
us
a
start,
and
if
we,
if
this
continues,
then
we
could
go
back
and
and
possibly
rework
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
think,
if
simply
by
adding
virtual
to
this
at
this
time,
I
think
we
accomplish
a
lot
of
the
goals
and
if,
if
staff
comes
back
and
says
it's
not
quite
enough,
then
we
could
look
at
it
again.
U
T
And
I
agree
with
that
and
then
to
wrap
in
alderman
sufferman's
point
about
changing
29.2
to
make
that
at
the
direction
of
the
of
the
year,
assuming
that
that
part's
going
to
get
wrapped
into
this
amendment
as
well
so
yeah.
I
think
it
sounds
like
what
we
really
want
to
do
is
just
you.
W
T
Take
this
and
incorporate
this
in
6.8
and
6.9,
so
it's
more
clear
to
everybody,
especially
the
community,
that
we're
not
you
know,
casting
some
sort
of
draconian
rules
that
are
going
to
cut
off
people's
opportunity
to
speak.
This
is
really
just
a
you
know:
protection
and
an
application
of
the
existing
rules
and
and
to
make
sure
that
the
tools
in
place
for
the
staff
to
actually
undertake
to
do
the
thing,
because
it's
it's
the
microphone
operation
is
different
right.
So
it's
not
a
microphone
that
gets
shut
off.
It's
a
a
zoom.
T
You
know
mysterious
operation
that
happens
behind
the
scenes
that
I'm
not
familiar
with
so
as
long
as
they
have
that
tool.
So
maybe
when
this,
if
this
comes
back
to
council
with
all
of
this
direction,
it
can
be,
as
I
think,
aldermen
raven
when
suggested
just
wrap
that
into
parts
of
six
nine.
I'm
sorry,
six
to
eight
six,
six,
nine
and
and
again
to
incorporate
suffering's
point
about
that.
T
The
you
know
accepting
the
extreme
situations,
just
the
ordinary
chair
discretion
that
that's
to
be
done
at
the
direction
of
the
chair
is
that
a
good
plan.
A
I,
like
that,
do
we
need
a
are
we
just
giving
staff
direction
or
do
we
need
to
take
some
type
of
amended
action.
T
Let
me
let
me
do
this,
so
we
can
just
kind
of
advance
it.
I
I
move
that
we
amend
the
proposed
resolution
such
that
it
will
no
longer
be
a
new
rule,
but
that
it
will
be
a
revision
to
existing
rule,
6.8
and
6.9
to
incorporate
the
remote
platforms,
including,
but
not
limited
to
zoom,
and
also
to
ensure
that
there
is
language
drafted
before
it
gets
to
the
city
council.
T
R
Oh
ottoman
rainey
yeah
before
this
amended
resolution
that
is
going
to
be
folded
into
the
rules
of
the
council,
comes
to
the
rules
committee
again.
Could
it
please
come
to
the
council
for
review
because
I
you
know
I
was
following
along
with
alderman
revell,
because
that
was
exactly
my
idea,
but
now
it's
getting
a
little
intense
and
I'm
not
interested
in
having
this
resolution
attached
to
the
council
rules.
So
I'd
like
to
see
what
the
finished
product
is
recommended
by
staff
before
it
comes
to
the
next
rules.
T
Right
well
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
cut
off
I'm
suggesting
that
we
proceed
with
my
motion
and
such
that
it
will
come
to
counsel
next
in
that
revised
form
and
then
we'll
see
it
at
council
in
the
revised
form
or
we
could
just
hold
it
in
the
committee
and
have
it
rewritten.
But
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
it.
Another
hour
at
the
next
rules
meeting.
So.
R
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ottoman
rainey,
and
we
have
a
emotion
and
a
second.
We
can
take
a
role
on
that.
U
J
J
A
The
amended
motion
passes
and
next
we
have
some
items
for
discussion,
we're
actually
going
to
go
straight
to
r5
and
come
back
to
r4.
We
have
our
residents
that
are
signed
up
for
comment.
I
believe
we
want
to
accommodate
their
schedule
as
much
as
possible,
so
ottomans,
so
I
am
recommending
that
the
rules
committee
discuss
the
creation
of.
A
Awesome
so
I
don't
know
if
there
is,
I
guess
I
could
have
comment
was
there
any
was
was
audrey
or
director
hemingway
here
or
any
staff.
If
not,
then
I
have
some
comments.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
incredible
student
resident
community
here
and
there
is
a
youth
council
program
at
national
league
of
cities
which
we
observed
in
conference
there,
and
they
have
regular
conferences
at
member
cities.
If
we
were
not
in
covet,
they
would
have
been
in
tampa
this
year.
They
visit
dc
and
meet
with
their
congress
people
and
they
meet
with
their
youth
leaders
nationwide
on
best
practices
to
bring
back
to
their
cities.
A
Youth
leadership
is
a
incredible
way
to
strengthen
our
community,
raise
up
the
voice
of
the
youth.
We
can
make
sure
that
we
are
being
well
informed
directly
from
that
community
on
what
their
needs
and
expectations
are.
We
can
better
serve
families
in
the
community
if
we
have
a
direct
voice
and
partnership
with
the
youth,
and
in
this
last
couple
of
weeks
we
have
11
residents
here
that
attended
nationally
the
city's
city
summit.
It
was
a
first
virtual
conference.
A
A
I
am
recommending
that
we
formalize
a
youth
commission
or
committee
to
have
a
ongoing
leadership
board
and
youth
delegate
advocate
representation,
that
reports
to
the
city,
council
and
we've
spoken
with
our
law
department,
and
they
can
be
a
commission
or
a
committee.
A
A
A
We
would
love
to
hear
from
you
also,
if
kim
holmes
ross
is
here
who
has
functioned
as
the
in
her
role
as
director
of
community
engagement
at
cradle
to
career.
She
has
been
our
partner
and
has
led
and
managed
this
program.
She
attended
the
conference
with
our
youth.
She
has
coordinated
them
and
has
been
a
huge
advocate
and
and
partner.
A
She
already
manages
a
youth
advocate
program
at
cradle
before
doing
this,
so
it
was
very
appropriate
that
she
and
her
program
be
a
partner
with
the
city,
so
thank
you
to
cradle
to
career
and
the
leadership
there
for
partnering
with
us.
In
this
experience,
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
our
illinois
state,
senator
laura
fine
for
sponsoring
the
youth's
uniform
for
this
commission
and
kimberly
or
any
of
the
youth
delegates.
If
you
are
here
would
like
to
present,
please
do
feel
free
to
do
so,
and
unmute
yourself.
X
Great,
thank
you.
Alderman
simmons,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
youth
who
are
with
us
to
please
turn
on
your
cameras
and
we're
going
to
ask
the
lisa
to
speak
first
to
lisa
walker.
We
are
excited
to
partner
with
you
on
this
project.
I
think
it's
super
important
to
have
student
voice
in
student
in
government,
so
we
are
going
to
let
the
students
speak
to
that.
I
see
elisa.
Let's
follow
her
with
elijah
and
nia
and
jacoby.
Y
Hi
I'm
trying
to
come
off
of
camera,
but
it
says
the
host
stopped
it
from
me.
Turning
it
back
on
okay,
there
we
go.
Y
Thank
you,
hi
everyone.
My
name
is
elisa
walker,
and
I
did
have
the
great
opportunity
to
attend
one
of
the
nlc
conferences.
One
thing
that
we
did
learn
there
was
that
I
took
away
was
the
importance
of
small
business.
I
think
it
was
very.
Let
me
see
how
do
I
wear
this?
I
think
it
was
definitely
something
that
evanston
takes
pride
in
they're.
Small
businesses
there's
a
lot
of
them
and
I
feel,
like
small
businesses,
help
evanston
in
many
ways,
especially
during
during
covid.
W
Hello,
everybody
hope
you
guys
are
doing
well,
I'm
elijah.
W
I
also
had
the
great
opportunity
to
attend
the
nlc
committee
meetings,
so
one
thing
I
took
away
from
it
was
how
important
it
is
to
have
youth
delegates
kind
of
taking
lead
in
their
communities,
especially
in
the
schools.
They
seem
to
be
so
concerned
about
us
youth,
because
not
all
times
not
all
times,
adults
can
be,
can
do
everything.
Sometimes
you
have
to
do
it
too,
and
I
feel
like
it's
easier
easier
for
them
to
connect
to
the
youth.
So
it's
just
it's
just
great.
W
I
noticed
that
some
of
the
people
I've
met
that
are
not
even
from
the
state.
They
just
seem
so
eager
to
make
good
changes
in
their
schools,
whether
it's
like
food,
nutrition
or
mental
illness
needs
they
just
did
whatever
they
could
and,
most
importantly,
they
asked
the
use
of
what
they
needed
to
be
successful.
I
already
think
that
was
a
good
idea
of
what
we
can
put
into
play
here.
X
Thank
you,
elijah,
I'm
going
to
ask
nia
who
is
a
freshman
at
spelman,
she's
at
home,
doing
her
online
learning
thanks
to
kobe
but
she's
with
us.
She
came
back.
She
worked
with
us
during
your
senior
year,
so
we
took
freshmen
in
high
school
all
the
way
to
freshmen
in
college
with
us
to
the
conference.
I'm
going
to
have
nia,
speak
and
then
tiana
who's,
our
freshman
at
the
high
school.
Z
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
mia
dillard.
I
also
attended
the
conference
and
I
think
my
favorite
thing
was
just
being
around
people,
my
age
and
seeing
it
was
inspiring
seeing
how
involved
they
were
in
their
communities
just
hearing
about
their
experiences
and
what
they've
done
in
their
cities
and
their
communities
to
better
it
and
inspired
me.
Z
O
X
Yes,
baby:
are
you
thinking
what
what
you
love
about?
Evanston
or
student
voice
and
leadership.
O
Okay,
one
thing
I
liked
about
the
conference
is
like
mia
said:
there
are
a
lot
of
people,
my
age
and
a
lot
of
people,
well,
a
lot
of
kids
that
inspired
me
to
do
more
things
in
my
community
and
a
lot
of
kids.
I've
seen
and
heard
that
has
done
a
lot
to
help
their
community
and
I've
done
things.
I
wouldn't
even
think
that
a
kid
can
do
at
the
age.
X
X
AA
Okay,
so
one
thing
that
I
was
a
take
away
from
you
was
that
just
seeing
it
was
motivating
to
see
other
students
my
age,
because
it
really
showed
that
our
voices
really
do
matter
and
that
we
can
have
an
impact
on
our
communities.
V
One
big
takeaway
for
me
was
that
in
the
conference
I
liked
how
they
were
talking
about
small
businesses,
because
small
businesses
really
helped
the
community
and
bring
people
together
and
help
create
bonds
with
others,
so
that
would
become
closer.
So
that's
what
I
really
like
about
small
businesses
that
they
brought
that
up.
X
Thanks
lila
and
I
think
that's
everybody
we
have
with
us
tonight
again.
We
took
11
students
to
the
conference,
everything
from
small
business
to
mental
health
we
covered
and
you
can
see
these
students
are
ready
to
work,
so
we're
excited
to
work
with
them
and
we're
excited
that
they're
excited.
Thank
you.
A
AB
Have
a
quick
question
from
the
youth
who
went
to
national
league
cities
were
what
was
the
representation
like
from
the
different
wars
and
for
the
youth
council?
Is
there
a
thought
that
we'd
have
nine
and
so
we'd
have
a
youth
from
each
ward
or
is
it
just
would
be
open
call,
or
is
it
thought
that
these
youth
who
went
to
nlc
would
start
this
first
youth
council
and
then
we'd
rotate
people
out
with,
as
we
do
with
our
other
accounts,
I
mean
not
council's
committees
or
subcommittees.
A
I'll
speak
to
that.
Actually,
so
the
thought
is
that
we
would
so
we
have
six
of
our
nine
wards
that
are
represented
out
of
the
11
students,
and
the
thought
is
that
we
would
have
representation
from
each
of
the
wards,
and
I
would
recommend
that
we
have
a
standing
seat
for
the
youth
advocates,
since
it
is
a
community,
a
community
youth
leadership
program
that
is
already
very
civically,
engaged
and
had
already
been
supporting
businesses
and
other
matters.
A
But
the
idea
would
be
that
that
we
appoint
this
committee
since
they
have
gone
to
nlc,
and
we
have,
I
think
at
least
four
seniors
on
here
that
would
be
rolling
off
and
that
we
continue
on
with
representation
from
each
of
the
nine
wards,
with
some
process
of
recommendation
by
the
ward
alderman.
AB
AB
A
AB
I
thought
you
meant
all
the
advocates.
You
just
made
one
rep,
okay,
okay,
but
I
have
to
support
that
to
have
a
new
youth
council
and
if
we
want
to
line
it
up
to
have
it
start
with
the
new
city
council
or
what
the
timeline
would
be.
But
I
think
it's
a
key
voice,
we're
missing.
Even
when
we
have
the
city
school
liaison
meeting,
we
don't
have
any
youth
there.
So
I
think
it's
a
key
voice.
We're
missing
as
we're
making
decisions.
A
So
two,
so
I
completely
agree
and
appreciate
that
support
audrey
fleming,
I
think,
to
line
it
up
with
the
city
council.
I
I
think
more
of
an
academic
school
year
for
them
so
that
they
can
maximize
on
the
experience
and
get
to
two
conferences
which
are
in
november
and
march
and
allow
this
council
to
expire
and
then
look
at
academic
school
year
for
their
terms
and
those
details.
I
guess
we
can
discuss
more
if
it
passes
this
committee,
but
that
was
the
thought
behind
it.
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
nice,
to
see
you
kimberly
and
nice
to
see
all
of
the
the
advocates.
I
appreciate
everything
you've
all
been
doing
related
to
be
covered,
19
and
getting
folks
to
wear
masks
here
in
evanston.
I,
like
the
I
like
the
idea.
I
would
propose
that
maybe
you
alderman
rue
simmons
and
and
kimberly
ross
holmes
and
and
these
students
you
know,
work
together
to
really
flesh
out
what
this
looks
like.
P
I
think
that's
the
biggest
thing
is
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
something
that's
of
value
to
you,
but
also
value
to
our
commun,
our
community,
and
I
like
the
idea
that
if
this
commission
you
know,
has
nine
people
on
it
in
each
one
as
part
of
their
role
for
that
year
is
ad
hoc
on
a
committee
around
around
the
city.
I
think
that's
a
really
interesting
idea
and
then
you
can
really
get
a
flavor
for
the
issues
that
city
council
members
are
dealing
with
on
different
committees.
P
R
Up,
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
that
you
get
somebody,
maybe
from
human
services,
to
look
in
the
archives
to
just
take
a
look
at
the
format
used
by
the
years
and
years
ago,
youth
commission-
it
was
a
really
interesting
commission,
just
just
for
historical
purposes,.
A
No
okay.
So
if
there
is
no
further
discussion,
then
I
would
like
for
us
to
advance
it
to
whatever
next
step
is
and
before
it
gets
to
any
final
action
at
city
council.
We
have
those
details
named
out.
Aldrin
fleming's
point
about.
You
know
broad
representation,
great
idea
for
mere
haggerty,
about
some
assignment
to
other
committees
and
at
what
time
in
the
year
they
are
appointed
their
term.
P
It
wasn't
table
it,
it
wasn't
tabled
for
action
tonight.
It
was
just
table
for
discussion,
so
I'm
not
sure
we
can
vote
on
this,
but
I
think
we
can
give
the
direction
that
you
just
gave
me,
madam
chair,
and
so
I
think
that
just
then
tees
up
the
work
to
be
done
and
then
it
can
staff
and
you
can
decide
whether
it
has
to
come
back
to
rules
committee
or
whether
it
goes
to
to
the
council
directly.
I
would
just.
J
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
worked
with
various
community
leaders
and
organizations
to
support
funding
of
this
program
and
there
is
support
on
their
other
institutions
that
have
offered
support
going
for
going
forward.
Can
we
so
so?
If
we
are
working
on
details,
is
there
any
reason
why
you're
opposed
to
advancing
it
out
of
rules
committee
with
an
action
of
recommendation
and
work
on
those
details
before
it
gets
to
city
council.
P
P
A
Okay,
can
I
move
approval
that
we
pass
the
youth
commission
and
with
direction
that
with
staff
and
human
services
will
complete
the
details
and
final
recommendation
before
it
gets
to
city
council.
H
So,
madam
chair,
just
as
a
point
of
order,
because
it
is
an
item
for
discussion,
if
that's
the
direction
you
want
to
give
staff,
you
don't
need
to
make
a
motion.
We
can
staff
can
just
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
then
either
bring
it
back
to
rules
or
bring
it
back
to
city
council
for
further
discussion.
H
But
if
the
direction
from
the
rules
committee
is
to
move
forward
on
creating
this
commission,
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
so.
A
Thank
you,
so
I'm
I'm
directing
that
we
move
forward
with
creating
it.
I'm
available.
The
nlc
staff
is
also
available.
They
have
a
youth
leadership.
Delegate
coordinator
ottoman
rainey
has
brought
to
our
attention
that
there's
some
historical
information
on
this
as
well,
and
then
we
have
a
cradle
to
career
as
a
partner
as
well.
So
I
would
ask
that
we
with
details
bring
it
back
to
city
council
when
it's
ready,
excellent.
S
Thank
you
first,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward
simmons
to
kim
and
cradle
to
career.
Thank
you
so
much
for
doing
the
heavy
lifting,
I
think
we're
all
excited
about
it,
quick
question:
just
what
was
the
cost?
It
was
sponsored
to
to
get
the
kids
to
dc.
S
A
So
they
haven't,
I
don't
know
what
the
cost
to
dc
is
based
on
their
registration
and
hotel
and
travel.
I
don't
think
dc
will
happen
in
person
this
spring
either
from
what
I've
seen
from
nlc
communication.
So
we
can
work
on
future
budgets.
The
the
soonest
in-person
meeting
that
is
scheduled
is
november
of
2021
and
that's
even
tentative
due
to
covet.
L
A
So
the
registration
kim,
do
you
remember
what
the
registration
was
per?
You
delegate,
I
don't
remember.
I
think.
A
And
we
have
a
r4
for
discussion.
City
staff
recommends
the
rules
committee
discuss
whether
it's
appropriate
for
the
city
of
evanston
to
reimburse
elected
officials
or
staff
attorney
fees
for
their
defense
returning
to
board
of
ethics
complaints
and
provide
staff
guidance
on
future
practices
for
discussion.
U
Yes,
you
know
I
this,
I
I
read
through
this
item
and
you
know,
and
was
surprised
and
not
well,
not
terribly
surprised,
because
I
knew
how
much
how
many,
how
active
the
board
of
ethics
has
been
on
all
of
these
issues,
but
it
you
know
the
total
cost
that
the
city
has
paid
for
are
62
763,
and
you
know
thinking
about
this
and
what
the
what's
been
happening
with
our
board
of
ethics
over
the
last
four
years,
which
is
unlike
it
has
ever
been
used
before
and
alderman
rainey
can
probably
confirm
that
and
as
well
as
the
other
aldermen,
I
think
that
we
should
ask
the
staff
to
look
at
changing
this
from
we
have
our
ethics
ordinance,
but
having
the
administrative
body
not
be
a
citizen
appointed
board
of
ethics,
but
actually
a
hearing
officer
so
that
we
don't
have
to
hire
outside
counsel
for
it
and
it
doesn't
become
so
politicized.
U
So
I
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
change
the
the
process
somewhat.
I
I
I
supported
our
ethics
chain
ethics
law
provision
change.
I
thought
those
were
excellent
changes,
but
I
think
the
one
thing
that's
left
that
really
needs
to
be
addressed
is
that
the
that
we
have
a
board
of
ethics.
That
is
a
group
of
citizens
frequently
with
no
legal
training
who
are
put
into
this
sort
of
a
political
circus.
Frequently
and
a
hearing
officer
would
would
would
provide
arms
length
well-trained
review
of
this.
U
That
could
create
a
record.
We
would
not
need
to
hire
outside
counsel
for
this
for
to
to
staff
it,
and
we
might
see
a
reduction
in
some
of
these
these
legal
fees.
I
mean
I
have
an
opinion
about
the
legal
fees
as
well,
but
I
I
think
that's
something
that
I
would
like
to
have.
The
staff
look
at,
because
our
board
of
ethics
is
has
really
not
been
operating
in
the
way
that
it
has
operated
before.
U
I
think
that,
in
some
ways
it's
been
weaponized
by
by
people
in
the
community,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
the
case
if
it
went
before
a
hearing
officer
who
had
legal
training
and
had
the
ability
to
run
the
procedures
with
more
professionalism.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
I
think
that's
an
interesting
idea.
Aldermen
win!
If
you
think
about
any
kind
of
disputes
that
we
as
residents
have
in
the
community,
many
of
them
are
adjudicated
by
an
administrative
hearing
officer,
and
so
you
think
you
got
a
ticket
and
it
was
inappropriate.
You
can
contest
it
and
you
go
before
that
board.
I
think
the
only
difference
would
be.
P
Ultimately
there
is,
you
know
a
higher
authority
above
that
administrative
officer
where
it
would
go
potentially
to
the
council
or
something,
but
I
would
be
interested
if
our
city
attorney
staff
and
city
manager's
office,
you
know,
gave
us
a
framework
of
what
that
might
look
like
later
later
this
winter.
P
I
am
interested
in
having
alex
ruge
who's
here,
just
go
over
for
us,
the
numbers,
because
I
am
particularly
concerned
that
the
ethics
board
here
in
evanston
has
been
politicized
and
has
been
weaponized
over
the
last
four
years
and
it
doesn't
come
without
an
expense
to
our
residents,
and
so
I'd
like
to
have
a
good
understanding.
I'd
like
any
folks
that
are
listening
to
have
an
understanding
of
when
these
claims
are
made.
P
Do
our
elected
officials
get
representation?
Do
we
then,
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
about
this-
think
it's
appropriate
whether
you
should
get
representation
or
not,
and
then
how
much
it
has.
You
know,
cost
our
taxpayers
to
represent
on
these
different
ethics
claims
that
have
been
made.
P
This
is
I'm
probably
the
most
recent
one.
I
was
brought
up
on
ethics
charges
by
the
city,
clerk
devon
reed
and
by
misty
wittenberg.
They
were.
I
was
fully
exonerated
of
those
charges,
but
it
literally,
you
know,
went
on
for
about
a
year
with
multiple
hearings.
I
had
to
go
out
and
get
a
attorney
to
defend
me
at
city,
expense
that
cost
our
taxpayers
eight
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
P
P
We
have
all
these
other
issues
that
we're
dealing
with,
and
I
needed
to
to
take
these
charges
seriously,
even
though
I
felt
pretty
strongly
that
they
were
baseless
and
the
board
concluded
that
they
were
baseless,
and
so
I
just
like
you
alex
if
you
can
give
us
a
sense
of
what
the
costs
are
and
again
what
our
policy
is
right
now
in
terms
of
being
elected
official,
whether
we
can
be
defended
at
you
know
at
the
expense
of
the
city
and
also
I'm
interested
if
our
rules
say
if
an
elected
official
files,
a
ethics
complaint
against
another
elected
official
here
in
town,
and
it's
deemed
to
be,
you
know,
baseless,
and
that
person's
fully
exonerated
should
the
elected
official
who
filed
that
be
the
one
to
pay
the
bill
instead
of
the
taxpayers.
H
I
can
speak
to
a
few
of
those
things,
mr
mayor,
so
just
as
to
go
over
the
expenses
that
have
been
incurred
so
far
for
the
board
of
ethics
in
the
last
four
years.
Just
as
a
recap,
we
amended
the
ethics
ordinance
and
created
a
special
counsel
for
the
board
of
ethics
about
a
little
over
a
year
ago.
So
since
doing
that,
we
have
had
special
counsel,
and
just
in
that
year
alone,
it's
cost
the
city,
almost
thirty
one
thousand
dollars
just
to
have
special
counsel
to
the
board
of
ethics.
H
On
top
of
that,
the
city
has
spent
about
another
thirty,
two
thousand
dollars
in
attorneys
fees
to
represent
elected
officials
that
have
been
brought
up
on
ethics
charges,
you'll
see
in
the
memo
that
the
majority
of
those
claims
were
unfounded,
so
the
city
did
represent
or
did
pay
for
representation
to
those
elected
officials
that
had
the
ethics
complaints
filed
against
them.
Where
there
was
a
finding
of
no
liability.
H
What
staff
seeks
to
do
is
back.
In
2019,
we
passed
a
resolution
where,
in
which
we
said,
we
would
pay
the
outside
counsel
fees
for
elected
officials,
and
that
resolution
is
attached
to
our
memo.
What
we're
looking
to
ask
and
seek
direction
from
the
rules
committee
is
whether
or
not
if
an
elected
official
is
found
liable,
should
the
city
still
reimburse
those
attorneys
fees.
H
So,
according
to
the
illinois,
tort
and
union
immunity
act
or
the
local
government
and
toward
immunity
act
of
illinois,
it
specifies
that
a
local
municipality
may
elect
to
either
defend
or
indemnify
its
employees,
which
includes
its
elected
officials.
So
state
statute
allows
for
municipality
to
decide
on
its
own,
whether
or
not
it
will
defend
and
indemnify
and
pay
attorney's
fees
for
its
employees
and
its
elected
officials.
H
Now
it's
been
the
practice
that
we
have
paid
all
of
these
attorneys
bills,
regardless
of
the
findings,
but
as
there
have
been
budget
cuts
with
covid-
and
you
know,
the
city
is
always
looking
for
ways
to
cut
taxpayer
expense.
H
Staff
is
wondering
if
the
rules
committee
and
the
city
council
would
like
to
continue
to
pay
those
attorneys
fees.
If
there
is
a
finding
of
liable
and
mr
mayor
to
your
last
question
on
whether
or
not
the
elected
official
who
brings
a
complaint
against
another
elected
official
with
a
finding
of
no
liability.
If
the
initial
complainant
elected
officials
should
pay
the
attorney's
bills,
there
is
no
rule
that
states
that
at
this
time,
if
that's
something
this
rules
committee
would
like
us
to
do,
that
is
something
that
we
can
incorporate
into
the
ethics
board.
P
Thank
you.
I
would
just
conclude
with
again,
I
think.
Over
the
last
four
years
we
have
seen
the
ethics
board
in
evanston,
be
politicized,
be
weaponized,
plus
attack
takes
payers
over
sixty
thousand
dollars,
as
alex
ripley
just
said,
and
I
think
that
we
should
think
about
other
alternatives
to
the
ethics
board,
like
an
administrative
hearing
judge
who
is
he
or
she
an
attorney
who
understands
this,
and
perhaps
with
that
model
and
again,
we'd
have
to
have
legal
counsel.
P
Do
the
research
if
we
were
to
adjudicate
that
way
we
wouldn't
have
to
have
our
elected
officials
have
attorneys
at
the
city's
expense?
I
suppose
if
they
wanted
to
have
somebody
at
their
own
expense,
they
could,
but
they
would
not
have
to
do
that,
and
so
it
would
be
handled
almost
like
a
small
claims
kind
of
court
where
you
come
in
and
defend
yourself.
So
I
think
that's
worthy
of
examination.
U
Well,
I
I
I
like
the
idea
of
potentially
having
the
cost
shifting,
but
has
the
city
staff
looked
at
cost
shifting,
not
just
in
the
instance
where
one
elected
official
brings
charges
against
another
but
cost
shifting
back
towards
any
individual?
Who
brings
an
ethics
claim
if
it
is
found
to
be
unfounded
by
the
board
of
board
of
ethics.
H
That's
not
something
that
we
initially
looked
at
when
we
revised
the
ethics
ordinance
last
year,
but
if
that
is
direction
from
staff,
we
can
put
a
fee
shifting
provision
within
the
ordinance.
U
H
I'll
have
to
look
into
that.
I've
not
heard
of
anything
like
that,
but
I
know
that
state
statutes
allow
for
attorney's
fees
reimbursed
to
be
reimbursed
on
certain
issues.
So
we'll
just
have
to
see
if
we're
able
to
do
that
within
our
own
boards
and
commissions.
R
I'm
ready,
I
have.
I
have
two
points
alderman.
When
did
you
mean
that
if
people
file
ethics
charges
against
aldermen
or
staff
and
they're
found
to
be
unfounded,
that
then
the
the
the
cost
of
the
administrative
law
judge
or
whoever
is
then
charged
to
the
complainant?
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting
no.
U
Actually,
what
I'm,
what
I
was
just
talking
about
there
it
just
a
second
ago,
alderman
rainey,
was
in
the
instance
of
if,
if,
if
anyone
brings,
whether
it's
an
elected
official
or
I'm
just
I'm
pr
just
sort
of
proposing
this
to
think
about
it.
But
if
someone
brings
a
claim,
an
ethics
claim
before
whatever
the
adjudicating.
U
Entity
is
whether
it's
the
board
of
ethics
or
an
administrative
hearing,
judge
and
and
the
claim
is
found
to
be
unfounded.
U
Can
the
city
fee
shift
back
onto
the
the
plaintiff
there,
and
that
was
my
question
right,
so
I
mean
that
not
necessarily
the
cost
of
the
administrative
hearing
judge.
I
hadn't
thought
about
that,
but
just
the
cost
of
the
lawyers.
So
maybe
it
is
the
cost
of
the
administration.
U
Okay,
so
then
maybe
it
would
be
the
administrative
hearing
judge,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that
what
we've
seen
over
time
is
that
people
have
filed
a
bet,
ethics
violations
left
and
right,
and
you
know
to
almost
as
harassment
I
would,
I
would
argue-
and
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
what's
a
way
that
we
can
actually
get
back
to
legitimate
ethics
concerns
and
not
have
it
be,
as
the
mayor
described
sort
of
this
circus,
so
that
that's
something
that
I
would
like
to
talk
about,
yeah
go
ahead.
R
R
No,
I
was
asking
alderman,
simmons
or
or
or
attorney
ruggy.
H
So
in
my
I've
been
with
the
city
five
years,
I've
not
heard
of
that
happening.
The
only
one
I
know
is
the
city
clerk
filing
the
complaint
again.
R
Probably
I
doubt
that
it's
going
to
happen
soon,
but
because
it
hasn't
happened
in
the
past,
but
you
never
know
it
could
happen
so
and
I
I've
never
known
of
a
alderman
to
file
a
complaint
against
the
staff
person.
I
do
know
that
the
city
clerk
and
misty
wittenberg
have
been
responsible
for
numerous
complaints
but
alderman
against
alderman.
I
am
not
familiar
with,
and
I
heard
that
mention
in
this
latest
conversation
so.
S
Sure-
and
I
just
wanted
to
do
two
things-
first,
support
alderman
wins
first
request
this:
over
the
past
three
years,
I've
worked
very
closely
with
our
administrative
adjudication
team,
along
with
kimberly
richardson's
if
we
have
explored
the
alternatives
to
arrest
after
reviewing
these
these
fines-
and
I
think
it's
just
really
disheartening-
to
to
look
at
that
62
thousand
dollars
coming
off
of
a
very
aggressive
budget
season
and
thinking
how
we
could
have
used
that
in
more
productive
ways,
and
I
can
tell
you
in
my
specific
situation,
I
think
there
was
a
letter
that
was
issued
to
those
folks
who
filed
that
there
was
no
grounds
in.
S
A
And
then
the
the
62
000,
that's
just
based
on
outside
counsel,
is.
A
A
I
know
it
we're
seeing
60
000,
but
I
would
imagine
the
number
has
a
value
of
six
figures.
We
have
our
legal
department
that
is
working
on
this
in-house,
as
well
as
the
amount
of
foias
and
so
on.
So
I'm
surprised
to
see
the
number
so
low.
I
was
certain
it
was
going
to
be
equivalent
to
that
500
000.
It
could
have
kept
us
at
a
zero
percent
tax
increase
for
our
2021
budget.
But
mr
markey,
you
were
gonna,
say
something
else.
Yes,.
H
Thank
you
chair,
so
this
the
memo
does
specify
that
this
does
not
include
staff
time
spent
so
because
the
law
department
is
in-house
counsel,
we
don't
keep
track
of
our
billable
hours
as
government
employees
so,
like
I
said
these
outside
attorneys
fees,
for
the
special
counsel.
That's
just
in
the
past
year.
It
doesn't
account
for
the
past
the
three
years
prior
to
that
where
the
law
depends
department
handled
it
in
house
and
then
we're
also.
H
We
currently
have
a
couple
lawsuits
in
circuit
court
of
cook
county
that
the
city's
law
department
is
representing
the
city
in
that
are
still
ongoing
and
have
been
ongoing
for
a
long
time.
So
you
are
correct
in
saying
that
the
fees
and
the
time
spent
is
a
lot
larger
than
this
even
shows.
A
Yeah,
and
so
I
will
say
that
there
have
been
other
requests
of
residents
of
our
law
department
that
were
backlogged
and
put
at
the
bottom
of
a
list
because
of
the
time
spent
to
defend
and
deal
with.
You
know
the
process
of
ethics
board,
so
anything
that
can
improve
this
process
and
allow
less
abuse
of
this
system.
I
would
be
in
support
of.
T
Thank
you,
so
I
I
I
think
it's
already
been
said
pretty
clearly,
but
I
do
support
revisiting
particularly
this
adjudication
process.
I
think
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
make
the
process
more
functional
and
less
time
consuming,
that
would
be
appealing
to
both
the
prospective
complainants
and
all
participants.
T
One
thing
I
do
want
to
mention:
if
we're
going
to
start
talking
about
things
like
fee
shifting,
I
think
you
have
to
do.
Have
that
conversation
really
thoughtfully
and
carefully,
and
I
am
a
little
bit
reluctant,
because
what
you
don't
want
to
do
is
create
a
scenario
or
situation
where
you
are.
You
know
lacking
legitimate
concerns
out
of
the
system
and
preventing
people
who
do
have
legitimate
things
that
are
being
raised,
and-
and
you
know
I
I
envisioned
that
there
are
circumstances
where
something
you
know
we're
talking
about
ethics.
T
So
something
might
look
bad,
but
someone
might
not
otherwise
have
the
available
information
to
make.
You
know
a
final
determination.
You
know
on
an
adjudication
level,
but
it
might
be
something
that
does
warrant
being
looked
at
or
addressed
in
some
other
way.
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
that
and
not
take
action.
That's
gonna,
keep
you
know
prevent
people
from
raising
ethics,
questions
good.
R
A
Good
point:
was
there
any
other
comment
or
discussion
from
the
committee.
AB
Okay,
so
my
I
thank
you
ottoman
wilson,
I
was
going
to
say
the
same
thing
I
hate
for
people
not
to
feel
like
they
can
file,
because
they
don't
have
the
money
to
pay
but
alex
given.
If
we
stay
in
this
current
state
of
ethics
boards,
I
would
suggest
that
the
attorney
coverage
is
similar
to
what
we
did
for
us.
I
think
we
did
it
for
our
staff.
AB
We,
the
law
department,
had
like
a
set
list
of
lawyers
or
there
was
a
set
fee,
so
that
lawyers
who
did
represent
staff
knew
what
the
fee
was.
You
know
so
so
we
didn't
have
this
fluctuation,
obviously,
depending
on
how
many
hours
the
lawyer
puts
in,
but
that
you
know
there
is
a
set
fee,
so
we
can
ideally
budget
a
little
bit
better
and
then
the
piece
I
am
interested
in
what
melissa
had
to
say
about
that
piece.
AB
So
I
assume
we'll
be
talking
about
that
at
another
time
and-
and
I
know
that
I
suggested
a
gentleman
for
this
last
ethics
board
and
kind
of
presented
it
to
him.
As
you
know,
it
would
be
a
few
meetings
and
you
know
explain
it.
I
think
he
had
been
on
there
for
a
year
and
you
know
was
not
what
he
what
I
asked
him
to
commit
to.
AB
So
I
think
that
that
is
not
a
fair
use
of
citizen
time
as
well
to
have
them
in
those
those
situations,
and
I
mean
I
think
overall
in
theory,
I
would
not
like
us
to
pay
for
anything,
but
since
we
do
cover
this
cost
for
our
staff,
I
think
we
should
cover
this
cost
for
our
city
council
as
well,
and
since
we
don't
ottoman,
went
to
your
point,
our
staff.
We
cover
their
costs,
whether
they're
I'll
say
guilty
or
not
guilty
for
life
a
better
term,
and
we
don't
ask
them
to
reimburse
us.
AB
AB
You
know
cover
those
costs
either,
but
I
would
like
alex
if
we
stay
on
this,
this
current
road,
where
we
have
outside
council,
if
you
all
can
let
us
know
what
it
would
look
like
if
we
had
some
kind
of
fee
structure
or
our
list
of
attorneys
that
council
could
choose
from
to
use.
If,
if
that
was
an
option
just
so,
we
had
a
better
handle
on
what
the
cost
might
be.
H
Yeah
and
if
I
can
quickly
address
both
your
points
so
per
the
outside
counsel,
procedures
and
rules
and
procedural
guide
billing
guidelines
that
we
passed
in
2019,
any
attorney
representing
any
alderman
or
elected
official
in
these
hearings
does
follow
our
billing
guidelines.
So
they
are
given
the
amounts
ahead
of
time
and
then
in
some
situations
we
have
negotiated
the
bill
down
to
comply
with
that
resolution.
H
So
we
have
done
that
previously
and
these
amounts
do
reflect
the
the
amounts
that
city
council
approved
in
our.
H
Outside
council
guidelines
and
then
just
quickly,
just
as
a
point
of
clarification
so
like
I
said,
the
illinois
statute
allows
that
we
may
elect
to
reimburse
attorney's
fees
or
represent
employees,
including
elected
officials.
If
an
if
an
employee
is
found
to
be
acting
outside
of
the
scope
of
their
employment.
The
city
has
and
can
decline
to
represent
that
employee
and
pay
their
attorney's
fees,
and
we
have
done
that
in
the
past.
It's
just
if
they're
acting
outside
of
the
scope
of
their
employment.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
right.
AB
H
Absolutely,
and
so
I
just
have
one
question
for
the
committee
moving
forward-
it
sounds
like
direction
to
staff
would
be
to
look
into
moving
the
ethics
complaints
to
an
administrative
review
process
and
then
there's
also
a
recommendation
to
look
into
fee.
Shifting
is
the
fee
shifting
provision
only
if
we
keep
the
ordinance
as
is
or
do
we
want
legal
to
look
into
fee
shifting
if
it
moves
to
administrative
adjudication.
P
I
think
the
discussion
alex
has
been
really
focused
more
on
an
alternative
for
adjudicating
these
issues
that
come
before
the
ethics
board.
Again,
we
still
have
our
ethics
rules
and
all
that
all
we're
talking
about
is
how
do
we
adjudicate?
I
think
the
the
question
before
us
that
the
council
and
I
have
been
having
is
more
about
having
research
done
on
what
that
might
look
like.
P
Okay,
how
that's
done
in
other
communities,
because
we're
not
the
first
to
do
it
and
setting
aside
this
fee
shifting
and
all
that
for
now,
because
I
think
we're
looking
at
the
bigger
picture
of
the
sixty
two
thousand
dollars,
plus
all
your
internal
legal
costs
that
that
aldermen
ruse
simmons
mentioned,
which
puts
this
over.
You
know
six
figures.
How
would
we
reduce
that,
and
maybe
you
might
look
at
all
of
this
and
say
an
administrative
adjudication
actually
takes
care
of
a
lot
of
those
expenses
and
saves
the
taxpayers
and
all
of
us
money.
P
A
U
Ottoman
win.
Well,
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
do
agree
with
what
the
mayor
was
just
saying.
I
think
the
feces
shifting
argument
is
really
very
secondary
and
I
do
think
the
the
most
critical
thing
is
to
get
this
to
a
hearing
officer
of
some
sort
who
has
legal
training
that
would
save
the
staff
time
and
attorney
time,
and
so
I
I.
U
I
would
really
like
to
see
this
something
back
from
the
staff
about
what
that
would
look
like,
because
I
think
that
would
achieve
a
lot
of
the
goals
that
we're
trying
to
do
here,
which
is
return
this
to
much
more
of
a
of
the
of
what
our
our
ethics
code
is
all
about
in
the
first
place,
and
and
and
also
to
reduce
the
costs.
A
And
so,
for
example,
in
the
example
that
ottoman
breakaway
kate
mentioned
he,
there
was
a
response,
given
that
this
is
not
an
appropriate
complaint,
and
I
think
that
there
was
some
push
and
then
it
was
heard
and
that
initial
response
was
actually
valid
after
we
spent
what
I
think
was
seven
or
eight
thousand
dollars,
and
how
many
times
has
that
happened
or
how
many
times
will
it
happen?
If
we
continue
in
this
in
this
practice,
ottoman
wilson.
T
I
think
the
mayor
and
others
covered
it.
I,
I
just
think
we
should
defer
on
this
fee,
shifting
part
until
we'll
finish,
having
a
conversation
about
the
process.
R
A
Is
there
any,
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
not
missing
anyone.
Is
there
any
further
discussion?
Okay
with
that,
then,
are
you
clear
on
the
direction
from
the
city
council?
A
E
Say
yes,
just
for
your
clarification,
we
skipped
our
three
on
the
agenda.
A
Oh
okay,
I'm
sorry
about
that.
I
was
trying
to
let
the
youth
in
resolution.
R3
staff,
recommend
city
council,
adoption
of
resolution,
121
r20
to
immense
city
council
rule
11
18
is
I
move
approval.
P
A
R
Rainey,
yes,
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
with
this,
but
I
think
we,
our
staff,
actually
has
used
special
order
of
business
way
too
frequently.
I
think
most
of
these
items
belong
in
committee
standing
committee.
R
If
something
comes
up
and
lori
keenan
was
right
on
point
on
this.
When
something
comes
up
it's
a
little
unusual,
then
we
have
all
sorts
of
issues,
because
there
are
certain
regulations
and
restrictions
on
items
that
are
special
order
of
business.
So
I
know
sometimes
we
get
in
a
jam
and
in
order
to
deal
with
things
quickly,
we
sometimes
make
it
a
special
order
of
business
but
short
of
budget
season.
R
Q
Madam
chair,
if,
if
I
may,
this
is
clerk,
I
mean
make
a
comment
about
why
special
just
regarding
the
rules
and
why
special
supporters
of
business
are
important
the
and
what
to
completely
agree
with
alderman
rainey.
Q
The
reason
a
special
order
of
business
is
should
be
something
sacred
to
the
council
is
that
it
removes
the
rights
of
members
when
something
is
placed
on
the
agenda
as
a
special
order
of
business,
as
we
saw
a
few
weeks
ago
with
alderman
roos,
simmons
and
alderman
braithwaite
attempting
to
hold
the
budget
it
and
does
not
allow
them
to
utilize
another
rule,
which
is
that
too
alder
and
may
hold
any
item
for
further
discussion.
Q
And
the
reason
that
that
is
important
is
that
you
know
thorough
debate
of
issues
is,
is
critical
to
our
democracy,
and
so
an
item
should
only
be
placed
on
the
agenda
as
a
special
order
of
business
whereby
we
are
going
to
limit
the
rights
of
voting
members.
Q
If
a
majority
of
the
council
previously
votes
to
place
that
item
as
such,
that
is
the
only
time
the
rights
of
members
should
be
limited,
and
that's
why
it
is
important
to
keep
the
rule
as
it
is,
which
only
allows
those
special
order
of
businesses
to
be
placed.
When
a
majority
vote
of
the
council
happens
as
not
to
limit
the
rights
of
members.
A
Thank
you
kelly.
Did
you
just
turn
your
camera?
Did
you
have
a
comment
or
you
would
just
mayor
hagerty
and
then
ottoman
wilson.
P
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
what
is
being
proposed
tonight
is
codifying
what
the
practice
of
the
evanston
city
council
has
been
for
many
many
many
many
years,
and
there
has
been
a
conflict
between
the
practice
and
what
was
written
into
into
the
rules
and
so
r3,
and
this
resolution
is
rectifying
that
and
saying.
The
practice
that
we've
had
is
the
actual
written
policy
and
the
city
manager's
office
thought
that
was
important
to
do.
P
I
don't
think
that
there
has
been
a
significant
problem
with
the
way
that
the
city
has
operated
in
terms
of
its
use
of
special
orders
of
business.
I'm
supportive
of
this
change
in
this
resolution.
A
Thank
you,
mayor
haggerty,
otterman,
wilson,.
T
Thank
you.
I
I.
I
think
that
this
warrants
a
further
discussion
on
what
the
rules
are
that
apply
to
the
special
orders
of
business
themselves.
I
don't
want
to
spend
another
hour.
I
know
we've
got
another
committee
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
waiting,
but
I
do
think
we
should
move
forward
with
this.
It's
important
to
have
the
rules
reflect
what
actually
is
done
and
how
things
are
done
and
to
not
to
try
to
work
around
those.
T
So
I
suggest
that
we
proceed
with
this
resolution,
but
in
conjunction
with
that
that
we
have
a
simultaneous
conversation
about
the
the
rules
and
restrictions
on
the
special
orders,
so
we
are
certain
that
those
are
consistent
with
what
we
a
want
to
do
and
b
how
things
are
actually
getting
done.
It's
important
to
have
available
have
these
available
to
manage
the
agendas,
and
you
know
that's
that.
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
move
this
along
to
the
council
and
have
that
continuing
conversation.
R
R
We
have
more
special
order
of
business
in
the
last
few
years
than
I've
ever
seen
before
and
it
it
is
restrictive
in
terms
of
dealing
with
business.
It
is
that's.
That's
on
I'm
not
not
even
forget.
If
I
even
read
this
I'm
just
commenting
on
what
the
practice
has
been
lately
the
special
orders
of
business,
and
then
this
is
finally
my
opportunity
to
comment
on
it.