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A
I
believe
that
we
do
have
quorum.
The
first
order
of
business
is
rc
one
suspension
of
the
rules
along
for
remote
participation
due
to
an
executive
order
issued
by
governor
jb
pritzker
and
the
ongoing
covet
19
pandemic
staff
recommends
a
suspension
of
the
rules
regarding
an
in-person
attendance
requirements
for
public
meetings.
Allow
your
city,
council
members
and
see
staff
to
participate
in
this
meeting
remotely.
Is
there
a
second
second
right,
mrs
richardson.
B
B
A
All
right,
so
that
is
a
quorum
correct
all
right.
Our
next
item
is
public
comments.
A
All
right,
our
next
item
is
public
comment
and
we
have,
let
me
see
who
has
signed
up.
We
have
misty
wittenberg
mike
fasilco,
tina,
payton,
claire
kelly
and
ray
friedman,
so
is
misty
wittenberg
here
good
evening
misty.
How
are
you
you
are
muted
once
you
on
mute,
you
are
far
away.
You've
got
three
minutes.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
of
course
here
to
speak
about
the
proposed
ethics
ordinance
amendment,
it
eliminates
the
the
board
of
ethics-
and
I
appreciate
miss
skandersky's
work
on
this,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
you
guys
not
to
to
vote
no
on
it
there's.
C
I
really
wish
that
this
was
for
introduction
and
not
directly
for
action,
but
there
are
still
some
issues
with
it,
although
it
has,
it
does
have
you
prosecuting
violations
instead
of
defending
them,
it's
all
through
administrative
proceedings
and
including
for
it
incorporates
a
penalty
for
penal
offenses
that
it
has
the
city
administratively
adjudicating,
and
you
actually
have
to
do
that
in
circuit
court.
C
There
are
some
other
issues
with
meeting
state
ethics
act
mandates,
but
the
other
issue
with
it
is
that
we
are
now
going
to
be
paying
special
counsel
to
do
what
the
board
mostly
used
to
do
so,
and
they
did
it
for
free.
So
if
we're
talking
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
pop,
that
seems
like
a
lot
of
unnecessary
spending,
a
city
attorney
can
prosecute
these
things
before
the
board
and
still
have
the
parties
under
the
system.
That's
actually
what
you
were
supposed
to
be
doing
under
the
other
code
and
then
see.
C
Oh,
the
other
thing
is
that
it
you
have
the
the
special
counsel
who
can
both
bring
and
investigate
their
own
charges
brought,
which
just
seems
right
for
a
lot
of
retaliation.
C
If
you
know
there's
already
some
issues
there
with
the
city
with
having
people
unnecessarily
investigated
and
and
that
this
just
opens
that
up
it's
like
too
extreme
in
the
other
way,
then-
and
then
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
you
know
I
brought
this
to
you
guys
throughout
your
amending
the
ethics
ordinance.
I
told
you
that
you
had
to
your
duty
was
to
provide
for
prosecution,
not
defense.
C
I
told
you
that
you
had
the
board
was
the
administrative
agency
and
that
the
rules,
committee
and
city
council
were
statutorily
precluded
from
doing
that,
and
if
you
had
listened,
we
wouldn't
have
you
know
years
later.
Finally,
a
an
attorney
who
writes
it
in
a
memo
you
guys
have
to
listen.
I
mean
whatever
you
guys,
who
are
leaving
we're,
never
going
to
listen
anyway,
but
you,
if
you
listen
to
constituents,
especially
when
they
send
you
the
actual
laws,
we
could
wait.
We
could
just
save
so
much
time,
including
the
two
circuit
course
cases.
C
A
D
D
When
it
comes
to
the
ethics
board,
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
independent
group
of
people
and
it
turned
into
something
that
was
just
manipulated
by
the
council
and
or
certain
council
members.
I
should
say
who
yes
again
to
agree
with
misty.
I
couldn't
be
happier
that
those
people
are
leaving,
so
I
would
like
I'm
just
asking
again
that
you
you
hold
aside,
make
it
for
discussion,
give
citizens
more
time
to
contribute
and
allow
the
next
council
to
also
take
the
lead
on
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
F
E
E
Also
alderman,
mayor
city
manager
or
any
party
that
has
decision
making
powers
should
continue
to
disclose
their
assets.
E
I'm
not
sure
of
you
know
the
language
here,
but
from
what
I
was
gathering
that
this
was
going
to
be
eliminated,
and
it
should
be
that
they
are
continuing
to
disclose
their
assets,
and
everybody
should
be
knowledgeable
about
what
the
city
officials
own
or
have
interest
in,
because
many
aldermen
vote
on
items
which
they
have
interest
in
and
the
public
needs
to
know
we're
discussing
transparency
and
it's
not
transparent
and
someone
is
going
to
jail
black
lives
matter.
A
Thank
you
tina.
I
appreciate
that
next
up
is
claire
kelly,
claire
welcome.
You
have
about
three
minutes.
G
Good
evening,
I'm
opposed
to
the
elimination
of
the
board
of
ethics.
I
think
the
fact
that
we've
had
so
many
complaints
before
it
is
an
indication
that
we
in
fact
need
this.
That's
not
a
reason
to
get
rid
of
it
if
it
was
a
board
or
a
commission
that
had
been
around
for
many
many
years
with
nobody
using
it
or
going
before
it.
But
this
is
the
fact
that
there
have
been
so
many.
G
I
think
this
is
an
indication
that
we
absolutely
need
a
board
of
ethics
and
I'd
like
to
read
a
comment
from
steve
berlin
he's
a
foremost
expert
and
leader
in
governmental
ethics.
He
is
the
immediate
past,
president
of
the
council,
on
government
ethics
laws
and
he's
the
current
executive
director
of
the
chicago
board
of
ethics,
and
he
was
shocked
when
he
heard
what
was
coming
up
tonight
at
the
rules
committee.
He
asked
he
provided
this
statement.
G
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Claire
and
final
person
signed
up
for
public
confirmatory
rules.
Committee
is
ray
friedman
ray
our
new
president.
H
And
mr
chair
may
I
also
add
my
voice.
This
is
clear:
creed,
okay,.
E
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
was
on
hold
okay
good
evening.
Everyone.
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
misty
mike
tina
and
claire.
I
And
I'm
wondering
number
one:
why
did
the
ethics
committee?
Why
did
they
all
resign?
To
begin
with?
I
know
that
you
started
a
subcommittee.
Was
that
the
reason
that
the
ethics
committee
all
resigned
this
is
this
a
big
problem.
I
I
I
One
second,
okay,
please
don't
cancel
the
ethics
committee,
you
can
redo
it
or
whatever
or
vote
on
it.
You
know,
after
everybody's
talked
about
it
and
the
residents
get
a
chance
to
talk
about
it.
I
thought
that
we're
working
on
more
transparency
and
more
accountability,
not
less
we'd
like
to
see
zoning
ordinance
and
rules
and
ethics,
be
followed
as
they're
written.
I
It's
written
it's
in
black
and
white
in
every
single
agenda,
that's
posted
for
city
council
and
you
consistently
ignore
it.
For
the
past
three
years,
I've
signed
up
and
received
notices
for
all
meetings,
anything
that
I
can
sign
up
for
garbage
pick
up
street
cleaning,
snow
removal,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
I
I
I
We
need
clarity
and
procedures
to
be
followed
to
everyone's
satisfaction.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
sir
much
appreciated
and
then
the
final
speaker,
eighth
board
resident.
I
finally
got
recognized
for
three
minutes.
H
Yes,
okay,
there
we
are,
I
I
I'm
just
adding
my
voice
here.
I
I
do
think
that
this
one,
it's
good,
that
the
council
is
considering
adopting
a
measure
that
is
more
closely
in
line
with
state
requirements,
but
the
issue
here
is:
I
believe
that
this
requires
more
public
input.
H
As
misty
noted,
I
think
it
swings
the
pendulum
too
far
and
removes
a
clean
or
a
good
public
process
where
citizen
board
is
able
to
hold
elected
officials
accountable.
The
clerk's
office
held
an
ethics
discussion
with
steve
berlin
and
former
ethics
board
members,
and
I
think
you
know
that
kind
of
public
discussion
is
necessary.
One
of
the
things
that
we
glean
from
it
is,
it
really
is
important
to
have
you
know
a
a
citizen.
H
H
That
the
council
will
take
the
rules
committee
will
take
more
time
to
to
look
at
this,
and
you
know,
of
course,
have
a
discussion
on
it
today,
but
move
this
forward
for
introduction
today
and
action
at
another
rules,
committee
meeting
and
then
move
forward
to
council,
so
there's
a
robust
public
process.
So
that's
my
only
comment.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
Sir,
with
that,
I
believe
we
are
not
done
with
public
comments,
which
brings
us
to
item
rn1
approval
of
the
minutes
of
this
money
meeting
of
december
7th
2020
stafford
men's
approval
of
minutes.
The
rules
may
be
on
december,
7th
2020.
This
is
for
action.
Is
there
a
second.
J
A
All
right
dar!
Are
you
the
roll
call
person
now
hey
hi,
dar
good.
K
A
The
next
item
is
adamara,
I'm
through
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
rules
meeting
of
october
19th
2020
stafford
man's
approval
administration
meeting
of
october
19th
2020.
This
is
for
action.
A
K
A
You
very
much
now
items
are
for
consideration.
A
Item
r1
is
ordered
in
16021
amendment
chapter
2,
section
13,
board
of
animal
control
staff
recommends
city
council,
adoption
of
ordinance,
16021
amending
chapter
2,
section
13
board
of
animal
control
is
ordered
to
men's
chapter
2
session
13
by
renaming
the
board
of
animal
control
to
the
animal
welfare
board
and
provides
updates
to
include
a
member
from
the
evans
animal
shelter
and
removes
the
codification
of
the
staff
liaison.
This
is
for
action
for
a
second
second,
all
right,
moved
and
seconded
any
discussion.
A
I'll.
Remember
that.
M
M
So,
first
of
all
it
refers
to
the
health
and
human
services
committee,
which
is
not
quite
the
title.
It
should
be
the
human
services
committee.
A
All
right
kimberly
or
mrs
richardson,
please.
B
Hey,
oh.
B
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes?
Oh
okay,
sorry
I
wasn't
sure
you
can
hear
me.
So
thank
you
for
that
catch.
We
try
our
best
not
to
make
those
type
of
errors.
Alderman
revealed.
However,
your
concern
is,
regarding
section
I'm
sorry.
I
section.
M
M
Under
the
powers
and
duties
it's
on
page
14
of
our
packet.
B
Got
it
sorry?
I
have
not
looked
at
this
in
a
couple
weeks:
okay,
so
what
we
were
attempting
to
do
and
we
can
go
back
and
revisit
it-
is
that
this
language
was
already
in
the
committee's
pack
or
in
the
city
council.
Excuse
me
in
the
ordinance
originally,
so
we
didn't
change
anything
that
you
don't
see
crossed
out
so.
M
The
language
that's
crossed
out
is
making
saying
that
the
concerns
it
refers
to
the
chief
animal
warden,
but
the
new
language
that's
underlined-
refers
to
the
animal
welfare
board.
So
I
didn't
know
whether
whether
that
was
what
was
intended.
B
B
B
Unfortunately,
this
is
not
something
that
they've
done
presently,
but
we
didn't
want
to
take
it
out,
but
we
can
always
go
back
and
revisit
it
with
the
board
again
to
make
sure
that
this
is
language
that
they
want
to
keep
in.
M
B
So
I
mean
that
is
who
it's
supposed
to
go
to,
so
we
didn't
change
the
spirit
of
how
they
currently
report.
It's
just
that
they
don't
do
it
as
frequently
as
they
did
at
the
time
of
this
creation
of
the
of
the
ordinance
at
the
pre
when
initially
was
created.
So
you
know,
this
is
what
we're
coming
across.
Is
that
we're
finding
a
lot
of
ordinances
where
the
language
doesn't
match
current
practice,
and
so
the
questions
will
keep
going
back
and
forth
on?
L
Alderman
ravel:
do
you
have
a
problem
with
d
that
the
board
should
it
could
explore
and
conduct
public
relations
efforts
and
coordination
with
the
animal
warden?
I.
M
L
M
B
Sounds
like
we
need
to
get
the
the
the
individual
who
staffed
this
committee
is
in
the
police
department.
So
what
we
probably
should
have
is
the
I'm
awarding
as
part
of
that
conversation
outside
that
individual
staff
person.
N
I
I
see
what
alderman
revell
is
saying
that
sentence:
that's
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
the
paragraph
to
make
recommendations
to
the
health
and
human
services
committee
for
changes,
recommendations
and
updates
to
the
animal
welfare
board.
It's
just
hanging
out
there
and
it's
almost
as
if
it
should
be
another,
a
b
c
d
e
f.
So
I
think
we
should
just
send
this
back
and
get
clarification,
because
that
sentence
doesn't
make
sense
there
and
maybe
they,
maybe
they
just
forgot
to
re
renumber
it,
but
I
can
go
back
to
them.
N
B
O
Not
really,
I
just
it's
more
of
a
comment
but
and
understand
these
points,
but
it
seems
to
me
just
it
would
make
sense
to
advance
it
from
rules
onto
council
and
we
could
make
those
adjustments.
N
I
I
would
agree
with
that:
let's
move
it
to
council
and
then
and
then
ask
ask
whoever
was
making
these
changes
to
just
clarify
that.
F
O
A
All
right
discussions:
if
not,
we
can
go
ahead
and
vote.
B
So
what
we
we
approve
this
with
amendments
then
to
the
language,
because
I
don't
I
mean
for
the
record
alderman.
I
think.
N
We
should
approve
it,
I
would
approve
it
and
then
and
and
then
we
can
amend
it
at
the
council.
F
N
Is
that
all
right
with
you,
alderman,
mervel
yeah,
that
sounds
fine,
no
alderman
is
making
a
face.
B
Was
reviewed
by
amica
patrol
our
excuse
me
control
board.
This
was
reviewed
by
the
emerald
welfare
board.
However,
it
was
in
conjunction
with
staff
and
the
law
department.
L
I
think
we
should
send
it
back
to
animal
the
animal
reward.
That's
what
I
think
we
should
do.
I
mean
this.
This
e,
the
first
sentence
in
e,
makes
no
sense
whatsoever.
The
board
will
provide
input
and
recommendations
to
the
city
regarding
issues,
animal
control.
B
Okay,
so
this
is
okay,
so
what
it
tells
us
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
ordinances
that
look
like
this,
because
that
wasn't
even
changed.
So
we
will
have
them,
go
back
and
re-review
it
and
read
it
out
loud
to
themselves
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
next
rules
committee.
That's
not
a
problem
that
would
be
good
yeah.
We
will
have
another
rules
committee,
so
it
will
come
back
when
it's
freddy
okay.
B
A
All
right,
excellent
with
that
I
want
to
move
on
to
item
r2.
A
I
move
item
r2,
which
is
2021
amending
title
1
chapter
10
of
the
edinson
city
code,
city
of
events
and
code
of
ethics
and
board
of
ethics
staff,
recommend
the
city
council,
adoption
of
ordinance,
2021
amending
title
1,
chapter
10
of
the
evanston
city
code,
city
of
evanston,
code
of
ethics
and
board
of
ethics.
This
is
for
action.
N
A
All
right
secondary
by
alder
and
win,
is
there
any
discussion,
alderman
wilson.
E
O
Here,
but
I
want
to
reiterate
that
this
is
not
eliminating
the
code
of
ethics,
so,
of
course
the
code
of
ethics
is
still
in
place
and
the
rules
still
have
to
be
complied
with.
You
know
my
observation
over
a
number
of
years
is
that
that
the
board
of
ethics-
despite
you
know,
a
valiant
effort
over
an
extended
period
of
time,
really
had
a
lot
of
difficulty
in
you
know
in
getting
through
their
work.
O
So
this
to
me
seems
like
it's
going
to
be
a
much
more
effective
way
of
addressing
the
provisions
of
the
code.
It
enables
some
different.
You
know,
penalty
alternatives,
so
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
much
more
effective
and
I
think
that,
despite
the
concerns,
I
respect
that
there
are
concerns,
but
despite
those
concerns,
I
think
that
people
are
going
to
find
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
much
more
satisfactory
way
of
addressing
this.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
again,
this
is
our
rules
committee
tonight.
O
This
will
come
back
to
council
at
a
later
date.
So
this
isn't
the
final
action
tonight
it'll
come
back
to
council
for
further
discussion
and
consideration.
J
J
If
you
can
just
kind
of
speak
to
what
this
is,
I
know
that
there's
been
lots
of
frustration
around
the
ethics
committee,
both
when
we
had
the
attorney
in
and
then
when
we
had
the
board
going,
and
one
suggestion
I
had
made
was
that
we
maybe
when
this
comes
back,
it
has
more
of
a
flow
chart,
so
people
understand
who's
what
and
where
things
go
and
particularly
about
if
we're
going
to
hire
outside
counsel,
who's
going
to
be
responsible
for
them
and
all
those
kind
of
things
if
you
could
just
give
us
a
kind
of
a
breakdown
of
what
this
is
for
folks,
who
have
not
read
the
packet
and
are
not
here
tonight.
P
Absolutely
good
evening,
members
of
the
rules
committee,
mayor
hagerty,
nicholas
cummings
now
corporation
council
for
the
city
of
evanston,
so
just
to
respond
to
alderman
fleming
as
well
as
some
of
the
the
public
comments.
The
city
of
evanston
doesn't
have
an
office
of
the
inspector
general.
P
So
most
other
municipalities
that
are
large
enough
have
an
office
expect
inspector
general,
whose
job
it
would
be
to
sort
of,
investigate
and
prosecute
these
claims
and
then
and
then
take
it
to
some
administrative
body.
In
order
to
prosecute
that's
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
The
special
counsel
would
act
as
the
office
of
inspector
general.
P
They
would
be
a
separate
and,
apart
from
the
law
department,
the
law
department
would
have
an
inherent
conflict
and
interest
in
prosecuting
the
ethics
claims,
because
the
law
department's
job
is
to
defend
the
city,
and
although
these
particular
actions
would
be
brought
in
prosecution
on
behalf
of
the
city
city,
employees,
city,
public
officials,
those
would
be
the
and
even
members
of
the
law
department
are
subject
to
the
code
and
so
we'd
be
essentially
prosecuting
our
potential
clients.
P
If
you
know
somebody
else
file
a
lawsuit,
for
example
against
any
of
any
any
of
those
other
actors,
you
know
our
administrative
hearings
are
public,
so
there
is
some
there's
continued
transparency.
It's
not
as
if
our
administrative
administrative
hearings
are
private.
P
P
It's
a
much
cleaner
process,
especially
since
I
am
managing
two
cases
in
administrative
administrative
review.
Currently
that
came
out
of
the
board
of
ethics,
and
even
that
was
a
fight
well.
The
first
case
started
when
I
first
joined
the
city
it
was
already
going
on.
There
was
an
argument
as
to
whether
it
even
belonged
in
circuit
court
and
the
the
court
made
a
determination
based
upon
how
we
had
our
code
set
up,
that
it
was
the
proper
venue,
but
it
was
just
not
done
cleanly.
P
So
this
is
a
much
more
clean
process
in
having
a
special
counsel
prosecute
the
claims
that
are
brought
forward.
The
special
counsel
wouldn't
be
going
looking
for
these
charges.
It
would
be
based
upon
a
complaint
system
like
we
have
now
someone
files
a
complaint.
P
That
complaint
goes
to
the
special
counsel
and
then
the
special
counsel
will
be
charged
with
investigating
and
bringing
that
charge
before
the
administrative
hearings
hearing
officer,
insofar
as
who
would
for
like
a
better
way
to
describe
it,
manage
that
special
special
counsel
that
would
be
our
office
law
department
would
seek
out
who
that
would
be,
but
those
communications
would
not
be-
I
mean
they
are,
they
would
be
handled
as
if
they
were
a
separate
entity
and
not
necessarily
an
extension
of
the
law
department.
P
The
way
our
code
is
currently
written,
that
special
counsel,
which
still
does
exist,
is
really
an
extension
of
the
law
department,
and
it
makes
for
a
much
much
more
confusing
process
and
record,
as
as
we've
come
to
determine,
based
upon
how
these
things
have
played
out
in
the
board
of
ethics.
H
All
right,
oliver
and
rainey.
L
Yes,
council
cummings,
will
you
tell
us
of
other
communities
around
that
have
a
system
such
as
we're
proposing
here.
P
So
excuse
me,
miss
miss
gandursky
did
consult
with
the
city
of
chicago's
legal
counsel
for
their
ethics
department,
and
their
system
is
similar
to
this.
The
only
difference
is
that
their
board
of
ethics
or
the
the
entity
that
sort
of
would
represent
their
board
of
ethics
operates
as
if
it
is
an
administrative
body,
because
the
administrative
hearings
for
the
city
of
chicago
would
be
too
overwhelmed,
they're
much
larger
entity
than
ours
than
we
are
here
there.
P
They
wouldn't
be
able
to
handle
the
number
of
ethics,
complaints
that
come
through
administrative
hearings,
so
they
have
a
separate
entity
that
acts
administratively,
but
it
is
handled
this
way.
They
also
have
an
office
of
the
inspector
general,
which
we
don't
have.
L
I'm
thinking
more,
like
skokie
wilmette
martin
grove,
those
cities
around
us,
suburban,
quote,
unquote,
suburban
cities.
P
I
will
say
that,
although
I
don't
know
if
any
of
them
handle
it,
this
way,
none
of
them
handle
it.
The
way
that
we
handle
it
where
a
citizen
is
is
prosecuting
the
ethics
complaint
and
that
that
is
what
has
proven
to
be
problematic
when
we
actually
make
it
to
circuit
court.
P
I'm
not
saying
they
don't
have
ethics
boards,
I'm
saying
that
it's
not
a
citizen
complaint
and
there's
a
citizen
and
a
city,
employee
or
a
public
officer
on
the
other
side
in
front
of
the
the
ethics
tribunal
or
or
however
large
the
ethics
board,
is
I'm
it's
not
done
the
way
that
we
currently
do
it.
It's
done.
It's
done
in
an
administrative
process
where
the
city
is
the
proper
proper
party
bringing
the
charge,
which
is
what
we're
closing
here.
Also
there's
one
thing
I
forgot
to
address
and
that's
the
disclosure
of
assets.
F
P
A
All
right
is
that
good,
alderman
rainey
here
you're
good
alderman
ravel.
M
So
the
the
special
counsel
would
be
would
not
be
a
city-employed
employee.
That
would
be
a
person
that
we
would
kind
of
contract
with
as
needed.
P
Correct,
well
I
mean
the
the
the
process
would
require
that
we
actually
for
lack
of
a
better
way
to
try
to
retain
a
special
counsel,
because
the
complaints
have
to
go
somewhere
right.
When
someone
files
a
complaint,
they
have
to
go
somewhere
and
that's
so
they
we
would
have
someone
retained
for
that
purpose
so
that
if
a
complaint
comes
in,
it
goes
to
to
the
special
counsel.
They
are
then
required
to
investigate
and
determine
whether
there's
jurisdiction
and
bring
it
to
an
administrative
hearing
officer.
So,
yes,
there
could
go
months
and
months.
P
You
know
2020.
I
don't
think
we
had
any
ethics
complaints
right.
The
the
board
of
ethics
at
that
point
was
still
trying
to
resolve
complaints
that
were
following,
I
believe,
2019,
so
you're
right
there
could
be
a
long
period
of
time.
We
don't
even
need
a
special
counsel.
Okay,.
M
But
the
administrative
hearing
hearing
officer
is
that
a
city
employee
somebody
who's
hearing
all
kinds
of
things
for
us
and
occasionally
would
hear
a
board
of
ethics
complaint.
P
They
are,
I
can't
say,
that
they're
employees
of
the
city,
but
yes,
they
are
paid
by
the
city
and
they
are
already
retained
by
the
city
to
hear
violations
of
the
city
code
as
it
is.
So
it's
a
system,
that's
already
in
place
and
we're
we're
proposing
utilizing
that
system.
That's
already
there,
as
opposed
to
creating
a
separate
system.
M
So
it
would
help
me
as
you're,
going
to
come
back
to
us
with
a
flow
chart.
If
you
would
kind
of
give
us
a
little
more
information
about
the
administrative
hearing.
P
The
administrative
hearing
officers
are
contractors.
M
Right,
okay
and
then
to
alderman
rainey's
question:
I
did
do
a
quick
look
to
see
what
our
neighboring
communities
do
about
and
I
don't
know
the
the
details
of
it,
but
skulke
and
oak
park
do
have
boards
of
ethics,
but
but
I
defer
to
you,
council
cummings
about
you,
know
what
how
their
process
works.
It
could
be
very
different
from
ours.
P
Yes,
I
can
certainly
reach
out
to
mr
lords,
and
you
know
folks
over
at
oak
park,
to
see
how
they
actually
run
their
board
of
ethics.
I
know
that
in
the
research
that
the
law
department
did
prior
to
coming
to
you
guys
the
boards
of
ethics
that
issue
advisor
opinions,
those
advisor
opinions
are
meant
for
internal
use.
So,
for
example,
the
mayor
or
members
of
city
council
can
ask
for
an
advisory
opinion
about
an
ethical
matter.
P
M
Well,
yeah!
Well
I
I.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
will
have
time
to
gather
more
hear
more
information
and
think
think
more
clearly
about
this,
rather
than
you
know
that
we're
not
making
a
final
decision
this
evening.
H
All
right
I'll
be
waiting.
N
Well,
corporation,
council,
cummings,
congratulations!
I
I
I,
I
think
the
the
advantage
that
I
can
see
of
going
to
an
administrative
procedure
is
well.
There
are
two
of
them
one,
it's
not
necessarily
an
evanstonian.
N
So
it's
someone
who
has
a
even
further
arm's
length
distance
from
whatever
the
the
complaint
is
and
also
timeliness,
because
one
of
the
problems
that
we've
run
into
over
the
years
is
sometimes
not
having
a
quorum
at
the
board
of
ethics
or
not
having
a
fully
every
seat
filled
on
the
board
of
ethics,
and
so
in
this
instance,
we
we
always
have
an
administrative
hearing
officer
there
who
so
there
there
is
a
timeliness
aspect
to
this,
and
I
think
that's
all
part
of
due
process
that
that,
if
someone
has
a
complaint,
then
it
actually
is
it's
timely
heard.
P
Absolutely
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I
believe
it's
mentioned
in
the
memo-
is
we're
trying
to
protect
against
the
due
process,
issues
that
that
have
arisen
yeah
as
a
result
of
the
way
that
the
current
system
is
set
up.
J
And
nick,
when
you
bring
this
back,
can
you
kind
of
lay
out
your
vision
for
retaining
and
finding
that
you
know
ethics
attorney,
that
we
would
use
and
what
the
processes
and
then
also
highlight
kind
of
the
intake?
J
But
it
would
be
good
to
also
add
in
there
some
information
for
our
residents
around
our
administration
administrative
hearing
process,
because
some
people
might
have
gone
through
it
making
sure
any
trainings
and
you
know
whatever
they
need
to
have
in
terms
of
where
they're
meeting
and
how
they're
meeting
is
also
addressed.
Because
now
that
we're
not
in
city
hall,
I
don't
even
know
where
those
hearings
take
place,
and
so
I
think
before
we
approve
this,
we
might
have
all
the
information
we
can
available
for
people.
P
Absolutely
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
the
expectation
is
that
the
selection
of
special
counsel
will
be
done
by
bid
like
most
other
city
opportunities
are,
so
it
will
be
a
request
for
proposal
or
to
for
firms
to
to
firms
or
attorneys
to
come
to
us
and
say
this:
is
you
know
we
we
feel
like
we're
qualified
to
do
this
and
with
all
of
the
mwbe
requirements
necessary
in
order
to
to
qualify
it'll,
be
part
of
my
vision,
but
I
will
come
back
with
further
information
for
you
by
the
next
city
council
meeting
on
the
26th.
A
All
right
does
anybody
else,
have
any
questions
or
comments,
if
not
so
this
is
for
action.
Miss
franco,
if
you
will
call
the
roll.
B
J
N
I
don't,
I
don't
think
that
much
of
it
was
fundamental.
I
think
that
they
were
all
good
questions
for
clarification,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
were
asking
him
to
change
change
the
the
basics
of
what's.
What's
there,
it
was
additional
information
for
clarification,
so
I
I
think
it
should
go
to
the
council.
A
A
O
There
wasn't
thing
away:
okay,
I
won't
spend
a
ton
of
time
on
this
because
it's
more
along
the
lines
of
something
that
I
think
should
be
entertained
over
a
period
of
time.
But
you
know,
despite
people's
comments
to
the
contrary.
All
of
us
here
listen
to
what
the
community
says,
and
I
think
that
we've
all
you
know
shared
in
our
own
frustrations
as
far
as
the
ability
of
the
community
to
participate
in
a
lot
of
the
decisions
in
the
decision
process.
So
you.
O
We
have
100
people
and
sitting
around
tables
and
people
pass
around
cards
and
things
like
that-
and
you
know
it
seems
to
me
that
things
usually
don't
get
accomplished
very
well,
but
I
just
have
been
doing
some
reading
and
research
on
this
idea
of
of
deliberative
democracy
and
that's
you
know
it's
distinct
from
participatory
democracy,
because
what
this
does
is
it
provides
people
with
an
actual
opportunity
to
participate
in
a
in
a
in
a
deliberation
context.
O
So
they
are
part
of
a
group
that
gets
together,
I
think
for
it
to
be
effective,
there
would
have
to
be
a
greater
degree
of
randomization,
maybe
in
how
we
traditionally
pick
our
boards
and
commissions.
O
But
you
know
to
provide
people
with
a
chance
to
you
know
you
put
a
group
together.
Here's
the
issue,
here's
the
topic,
they
work
together
and
they
have
to
come
up
as
a
group
with
a
recommendation
for
the
legislative
body,
and
you
know
the
idea
of
you
know
we're
polarized
in
many
ways
as
a
community.
O
We're
polarized
in
many
ways
as
a
country,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
idea
that
people
are
feeling
you
know
left
out
of
conversations,
and
you
know
I
don't
like
this
idea
that
you
know
50
wins
right.
50
wins
the
day
on
any
given
question,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
49
of
the
people,
who
might
have
an
opinion
or
have
something
to
contribute
that
those
opinions
aren't
of
value.
O
So
the
idea
of
deliberation,
as
opposed
to
just
you
know,
taking
a
vote,
can
have
a
number
of
other.
You
know
collateral
impacts,
for
example,
it
might
take
away
the
the
the
idea
of
money
and
politics,
so
you
know
instead
of
a
you
know,
going
straight
to
a
referendum.
O
If
you
had
a
group
of
people
that
actually
worked
through
an
issue
and
came
up
with
with
a
recommendation
and
the
community
could
see
that
conversation
and
see
how
that
deliberation
went
that
people
would,
you
know,
number
one
buy
into
it
better
because
they
see
what
went
into
the
conversation,
but
it
would
also
give
people
a
real
opportunity
to
to
contribute
public
comment
for
three
minutes.
That's
not
much
of
an
opportunity,
even
even
these
boards
and
commissions.
You
know.
O
Traditionally,
you
know
border
commission
they've
got
a
group
of
people
sit
in
front
of
the
room,
there's
people
that
watch
maybe
add
questions,
but
personally,
as
an
ultimate
over
the
years.
The
situations
where
I
found
that
personally
I
found
most
rewarding
were
situations
where
we
could
have
working
groups.
You
know
small
subcommittees
where
it
was
a
working
group.
You
have
people
in
the
community
community
that
are
there.
You
know
you
sit
around
a
table
and
it's
interactive.
O
You
know
I
know
mr
freeman
is,
is
constantly
begging
us,
for
you
know,
opportunities
to
have
conversations,
and
you
know
this
would
be
a
way
for
people
to
choose
an
issue.
You
can't
show
up
for
every
single
thing.
You
can't
show
up
for
every
single
ward
meeting,
but
if
something
is
really
important
to
you,
you
might
have
an
opportunity
to
contribute
on
that
issue.
O
So
I
just
think
it
would
be
useful
if,
if
the
city
and
the
council
going
forward,
entertain
this
idea
and
see
and
and
and
maybe
looked
at
ways
to
come
up
with
some
infrastructure
to
incorporate
that
into
some
of
the
decision
making
processes.
O
So
thanks
for
listening
to
me
thanks
for
entertaining
the
conversation
and
now
I
know
that
there's
some
information
in
the
packet
and
if
you
just
you
know
you
can
frankly,
can
google
it
or
go
on
the
economist
and
find
a
lot
of
interesting
things
that
really
kind
of
spell
out
the
value
of
doing
doing
things.
This
way.
A
Is
there
any
further
discussion,
if
not,
that
is
the
end
of
our
agenda,
so
that
brings
us
to
new
business,
any
new
business,
any
items
for
communication.
If
not,
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Q
Q
I
spoke
to
late
last
week
and
she
asked
if
we
would
consider
referring
to
it
as
a
commission
instead
of
a
committee,
seemed
like
a
minor
request-
and
I
know
kimberly's
on
here-
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
to
go
through
some
council
action
on
this
or
if
I
can
put
it
forward
as
the
community
members
I'm
putting
forward
to
the
commission.
The
reparations
commission.
B
Q
All
right
so
then,
I'm
going
to
leave
it
to
alderman
simmons
if
she
wants
to
put
that
referral
forward
at
the
council
meeting.
Okay,
thank
you.