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A
Welcome
to
the
December
5th
2022
meeting
of
the
rules
committee,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
quorum
here.
Could
we
please
take
the
role.
C
D
A
Now
that
we
have
Quorum
and
we're
ready
to
do
our
business,
do
we
have
anyone
signed
up
for
public
comment.
B
A
A
Would
someone
move
to
the
meeting
minutes
from
last
for.
B
B
C
A
C
H
C
A
G
G
A
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
we
do
not
have
the
votes
for
that.
Oh
withdraw
my
motion.
Okay,
or
do
we
take
a
roll
call
on
the
motion.
H
B
A
Have
it
and
then
moving
on
to
approving
the
meeting
minutes
with
the.
G
G
Move
item
R2
resolution,
108
R22
amending
city
council,
rule
9.4
to
add
additional
council
members
to
the
referrals
committee
or
actually,
if
we
may
send
the
sponsor
of
that
is
not
here.
Can
we
move
item
D1
first
he's.
A
G
Okay:
this
was
a
a
proposal
made
by
councilmember
Burns
to
add
additional
members
to
the
referrals
committee.
So
the
referrals
committee
is
more
representative
of
the
city
and
the
body
as
a
whole.
G
I
Thanks
Mr,
chair
I
would
just
strongly
oppose
passage
of
this.
If
there's
a
concern
that
the
referrals
committee
isn't
adequately
representative,
if
there's
any
number
of
other
ways
to
address
that
within
the
current
confines,
the
point
of
the
referrals
committee
is
to
be
efficient,
ministerial,
quick
and
I.
Think
expanding
membership
is
clear
step
in
the
wrong
direction.
J
Yeah
I
think
where
we
ended
up
on
this
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
separate
item
on
the
agenda
was
to
create
a
schedule
or
rotation.
The
rotating
schedule
of
two
council
members,
along
with
the
mayor
and
so
I,
don't
know
if
that's
if
we
should
have
that
as
part
of
this
discussion
or
if
that's
a
separate
item
on
the
agenda.
A
It
is
currently
not
on
the
agenda,
which
is
just
the
resolution.
To
add
the
add,
the
members.
J
G
A
J
I
I
I
I,
don't
recall,
saying
that
I
was
working
on
a
schedule
for
the
referrals
committee
at
all.
I
do
recall
there
was
some
meeting
where
that
idea
was
floated
and
I
vaguely
recall
that
there
was
talk
about
it
showing
up
on
this
agenda
tonight.
I,
don't
I
can't
speak
to
that,
but
certainly
I
was
not
working
on
a
rotation
for
the
referrals
committee.
J
Okay,
so
my
regulation
is
that
the
the
point
of
holding
this
at
the
last
holding
the
kind
of
related
issue
at
our
last
council
meeting
was
that
we
would
come
here
prepared
to
vote
on
a
schedule
that
will
allow
different
members
to
participate,
which
is
one
way
where
we
can
achieve
a
more
representative
body
on
a
referrals
committee
and
I
certainly
would
support
that.
E
E
So
I
I
guess
I'm
puzzled
by
this
request
to
ensure
that
we
have
that
we
represent
different
perspectives
on
the
committee.
It's.
E
I
mean
the
whole
point
of
the
referrals
committee
is
merely
to
forward
all
pending
items
that
come
to
the
referrals
committee
to
refer
them
to
an
appropriate
committee
to
address
the
issue.
E
E
So
the
timing
that
we
suggest
to
the
committee
when
we
forward
it,
but
all
the
all
the
pending
issues
get
get
referred.
We
don't
have
a
backlog
of
referral
items
sitting
there
waiting
for
us
to
make
up
our
minds.
It
took
us
a
little
while
at
the
beginning,
to
get
a
system
going,
but
now
we
have
our
referrals
committee
staff,
the
staff
person
Allison,
who
follows
up
with
the
committee
where
the
item's
been
referred.
E
E
E
It
would
be
helpful
if
the
staff
member
for
the
committee
would
really
keep
an
active
list
of
those
pending
referrals
to
make
sure
they
don't
get
lost,
but
I'm
I'm
struggling
struggling
to
find
to
see
what
the
problem
is
that
we're
trying
to
solve
here
by
by
quote
broadening
the
the
perspectives
represented
on
the
committee.
It's
not
really
a
perspective
driven
decision.
It's
a
it's!
A
pretty
straightforward
administrative
decision.
A
Okay,
seeing
that
there
are
no
other
council
members
requesting
a
speak
for
the
first
time,
we're
back
to
council
member
Reed.
G
A
G
You
first
actually
I
want
to
address
a
council
member
revell's
notes,
which
you
know
if
this
committee
was.
You
know,
purely
if
this
committee
is
purely
administrative,
I,
don't
really
see
the
point
of
it.
I
mean
I,
think
we
all
for
the
most
part
understand
where
a
referral
needs
to
go.
When
we
make
it.
G
We
know
what
committee
as
a
council
member,
we
would
like
it
to
go
to
there's
mechanisms
that
we
have
here
legislatively
that
if
anyone
wants
an
item
to
go
to
another
committee,
they
can
make
a
motion
to
refer
to
that
committee.
So
if,
if
the
committee
is
just
administrative,
it
seems
like
it's
adding
unnecessary
work
that
the
council
members
could
do
I.
G
Idea
of
having
the
list
of
referrals
and
a
transparent
document
that
lets
the
public
and
other
council
members,
whoever
else
know
what
what's
coming
down
the
pike,
but
it
almost
seems
like
if
it's
just
administrative,
we
should
leave
that
to
our
administrators
and
then
to
the
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve
is
that
the
committee
hasn't
been
purely
administrative.
G
You
know
there
are
decisions
made
again
what
committee
to
send
it
to
can
influence
the
outcome
of
an
ordinance.
There
have
been
referrals
that
have
been
made
that
have
been
held
at
referrals,
because
the
referrals
committee
wasn't
prepared
to
act
on
an
item,
and
you
know,
for
example,
the
burglars
tool
ordinance
that
came
by
the
referrals
committee
held
that
for
a
while
and
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
it.
G
And
then
this
Council
passed
unanimously
the
updates
to
our
public
Community
ordinance
to
be
more
inclusive
with
gender.
That
was
something
that
was
held
at
the
referrals
committee
for
a
while
this
Council
adopted
that
unanimously
so
I
think
having
more
diverse
members
or
just
more
members.
What
that
does
is
that
allows
more
perspectives,
more
understanding
to
to
come
to
this
committee
and
can
potentially
help
move
things
along,
but
I
do
want
to
ask
mayor
best.
You
said
there
are
many
other
options
if
we're
looking
to
solve
an
issue
and
so
what?
G
I
G
Well
then,
I
think
that's
part
of
what
councilmember
Burns
was
referring
to
that
we
had
this
discussion
where
we
would
bring
back
to
this
committee
a
rotation
schedule
so
with
that
I
would
like
to
move
that
we
maybe
table
this
and
have
it
come
back
as
a
rotation
schedule
for
the
next
regularly
scheduled
for
the
I
guess,
February
meeting
or
I.
Guess
we
have
a
January
meeting
so
I
guess
the
January
meeting.
J
Yeah-
and
some
of
this
was
already
stated
by
councilman
Reed,
but
but
again
the
referrals
committee
can
can
determine
venue,
which
is
what
council
Marie
said
if
it
was
straightforward,
if
that,
if
that
decision
is
straightforward,
it
wouldn't
require
a
committee.
So
the
fact
that
a
committee
exists
suggests
that
there's
some
deliberation
between
the
the
members
of
the
body
and
making
that
determination
that
there's
nothing
to
deliberate
on
then
then
then
I
would
suggest.
I
would
submit
that.
J
There's
no
reason
for
the
committee
itself
so
clearly
there's
we
felt
that
there
was
a
need,
a
majority
of
us
out.
There
was
a
need
to
deliberate
over
that
issue
and
in
addition
to
that,
as
councilman
Reed
stated
that
some
referrals
have
been
held
at
committee
which
prolong
you
know
their
them
being
put
on
a
future
agenda,
which
you
know
prolongs
our
discussion
on
it
and
and
the
vote
and
and
its
implementation,
whatever
the
referral
may
be.
J
In
addition
to
that,
there
are
recommendations
made
as
to
when
something
will
appear
that
I
think
chairs
certainly
reference
in
in
way
as
they
make
a
decision
about
what
to
put
on
the
agenda.
So
there
is
real
work
there
and
if
there
wasn't,
we
wouldn't
have
a
committee
and
and
I
can
pull
this
up
in
between
meetings,
but
I'm.
Pretty
confident
that
the
that
at
this
meeting
we
were
supposed
to
see
a
schedule
of
a
referrals
committee
and
and
what
I
would
a
question
I
have
is?
J
Is
there
any
other
committee
that
doesn't
have
a
schedule
or
rotation
schedule
or
a
or
a
member
is
is,
is
is
not
allowed
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
want
to
participate
in
that
committee?
At
you
know,
once
it's
established,
the
other
ones
were
established.
So
we
did
it.
You
know
at
our
first
rules
committee
meeting,
we
all
you
know
selected
the
Committees.
J
You
wanted
to
sit
on
and
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
a
schedule
for
the
referrals
committee,
nor
whether
is
there
an
open
call
that
allowed
committee
members
or
council
members
to
raise
their
hand
and
say
yep
I
want
to
sit
on
this
committee,
so
unless
people
can
provide
another
example
of
such
a
committee,
I
think
again
doing
creating
a
schedule,
which
is
what
we
were
supposed
to
be
have
on
the
the
agenda.
Today,
to
discuss
is
is
the
way
to
move
forward
along
with
I
thought.
J
We
were
also
considering
whether
or
not
to
make
it
a
hard
and
fast
rule
that
each
referral
will
require
to
go
two
co-sponsors.
G
There
isn't
another
committee
that
so
most
committees
do
not
have
a
rotation
schedule
as
far
as
their
membership,
but
we've
always
allowed
anyone
to
serve
on
any
committee
that
they
want
to
and
we've
even
changed
ordinances
to
expand
membership
to
decrease
membership
when
fewer
members
want
to
be
on
a
committee,
so
we
we've
certainly
made
that
option
available,
and
so
there
isn't
a
committee
that
that
I
can
think
of-
and
please
correct
me
if
anybody
has
something
different,
but
that
doesn't
allow
folks
to
join
or
have
a
rotation
schedule
set
up
for
membership.
G
G
Or
have
a
rotation,
or
maybe
we
just
don't
need
a
referrals
committee
and
mayor
Bisson
and
council
member
Revell
and
suffered
in-
can
save
a
little
bit
of
time
on
Thursday
mornings.
I
think
is
when
you
all
meet,
and
we
can
you
know,
make
it
administrative.
F
Cummings
I
just
want
to
remind
the
committee
from
a
legislative
history
standpoint
referrals
used
to
go
through
the
city
manager's
office
originally,
and
there
was
a
feeling
that
the
city
manager
should
not
dictate
what
goes
on
the
agenda,
even
if
it
is
an
administrative
thing.
What
goes
on
in
the
agenda
is
an
administrative
thing.
It
would
be
in
the
purview,
the
city
manager's
office,
but
this
body
felt
that
it
should
be
more
of
a
legislative
function
if
the
legislature
should
determine
what
goes
on
legislative
agendas.
F
G
Reed,
thank
you,
I
I,
agree
and
I
think
if
whatever
we
choose
to
do,
if
we
were
to
move
down
a
route
where
maybe
we
don't
need
a
referrals
committee,
we
can
save
some
staff
time
and
some
time
for
the
committee
members.
G
You
know
it
would
still
be
a
legislative
choice.
I
mean
the
council.
Member
would
say:
hey
I
think
this
is
appropriate,
for
you
know
Human
Services
for
the
rules
committee
whatever
and
the
committee
members,
if
they
think
it's
not
appropriate
or
someone
wants
to
see
it.
Another
venue
could
make
a
motion
to
refer
to
that
venue.
G
We've
done
that
with
with
items
in
the
past
and
so
we'd
still
have
that
legislative
control
and
I
think
the
big
thing
and
I
think
that
you
know
mayor
best
deserves
credit,
for
this
is
actually
just
creating
the
list,
a
a
transparent
place
where
you
can
see
all
of
their
referrals
that
are
made
where
the
council
member
wanted
the
committee
or
wanted
the
referral
to
go
where
it
is
in
the
process.
I
think
that's,
you
know
achieves
maybe
100
of
the
goal,
maybe
80
of
the
goal.
A
I
just
want
to
add
I,
have
a
referral
coming
through
the
referrals
list
to
add
transparency
to
the
process,
so
I
talked
to
the
equity,
empowerment
commission
and
had
some
feedback
that
you
know
and
talking
to
them
about
the
equity
scorecard
and
how
you
know
they
felt
like.
Sometimes
things
came
to
council
before
they,
you
know
knew
how
far
along
the
process
it
was.
So
my
referral
is
to
add
a
agenda
item
on
a
monthly
basis
to
the
equity
and
power
committee.
A
To
give
them,
you
know,
transparency
to
what
we're
doing
and
also
help
them
potentially
flag
things
to
give
them
priority
or
flag
things
that
need
an
equity
scorecard
added
to
so
I.
Don't
know
if
that
would
I
hope
that
would
help
the
process
for
people,
but
I
just
want
to
make
people
aware
of
that.
J
Yeah
I
mean
I
I.
Guess
I
would
like
to
hear
from
my
colleagues
if
they
are
interested
in
commenting
on
this.
But
again
you
know:
I
I
see
a
benefit
to
having
the
referrals
committee
that
this
rules
committee
meeting
we
were
supposed
to
look
at
a
schedule,
a
rotation
schedule
and
so
I
want
to.
H
H
G
You
ready
I
I,
think
this
I'd
like
to
table
this,
because
I
do
think
we
should
come
back
with
the
rotation
schedule.
I
think
we
should
look
at
this
I'm
looking
at
Bobby
you're,
not
here
in
the
room
but
I'm
looking
at
some
faces,
and
not
all
of
them
are
Pleasant
faces
on
this,
so
faces
are
pleasant
but
the,
but
so
I
I'd
move
to
table
this
until
our
next
meeting.
Okay.
J
I
mean
second
I:
guess
our
Second
Amendment
and
discuss
the
rest
of
it,
but
yeah.
Second.
A
Okay,
so
the
motion
is
to
table
the
this
item
until
the
January
meeting
right:
okay,
whatever.
H
J
The
the
the
the
council
chambers,
videos,
muted.
F
C
C
G
H
B
C
B
H
C
C
A
H
H
G
Fully
support
small
donor
match
or
I
I
prefer.
G
My
preference
is
a
system
closer
to
some
other
municipalities
that
do
democracy
vouchers,
democracy
vouchers.
Are
you
give
residents
you.
E
G
Fifty
hundred
dollar
vouchers
that
they
can
give
to
the
candidates
of
their
choice
and
those
small.
You
know
I
look
at
two
things.
So
what
what
problem
are
we
trying
to
solve
here?
We
know
that
there's
you
know
too
much
money
in
our
democracy
and
that,
typically,
the
person
who
has
the
most
resources
has
the
most
money
is
able
to
be
successful
in
elections
and
we
want
to
level
the
playing
field.
G
I
think
that's
the
goal
here
to
level
the
playing
field,
and
so
you
know
I,
think
a
small
donor
match
system
does
help
level
the
playing
field
to
some
degree
or,
although
it
could,
you
know,
potentially
bolster
folks
who
already
had
access
to
resources,
because
you,
you
know
we're
matching
funds
as
opposed
to
providing
funds,
but
with
the
voucher
system.
It's
also
been
shown
to
help
increase
voter
turnout
amongst
low
propensity
voters,
and
so
you
know
for
a
very
similar
price.
G
We
can
ensure
that
we
are
increasing
voters
or
we
can
work
to
increase
voter
turnout
in
in
minority
communities
in
low-income
communities.
G
G
I.
Think
here
locally.
You
know
we
see
that
for
the
most
part,
aldermanic
candidates
raise
15
25
000
for
their
races,
so
we
don't
have
huge
expenditures
in
the
aldermanic
races
and
for
the
mayor,
mayoral
races,
we've
seen
you
know
usually
somewhere
around
a
hundred
thousand,
maybe
a
little
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
is
what
it
takes
to
be
a
successful
mayoral,
candidate
and
so
I
think.
Certainly
there
we
need
to
to
to
level
the
playing
field.
A
Great,
so
this
is
my
referral.
I
I
would
like
for
us
to
table
it
until
the
February.
A
meeting
of
the
rules
committee,
there's
a
couple
things
that
we
have
to
update
and
amend
on
the
remove
some
referrals
to
primaries,
since
we
are
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
ranked
Choice
voting.
A
I
Mr,
chair
I,
move
this
be
tabled
until
the
February
meeting
of
the
rules
committee
and
that
it
appear
on
the
February
agenda
for
Action.
Exactly.
A
Sure
all
right
we
have
a
second.
Can
we.
G
B
C
A
Great
I
guess
we
or
at
the
end
of
our
agenda
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
so
move.
A
All
right
so
for
everyone,
following
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