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A
A
Er,
the
Monday
October
3rd
2022
rules
committee
meeting.
Let
me
start
off
with
the
roll.
You
want
to
do
a
rope.
C
A
A
Okay,
seeing
that
we
have
no
one
in
person,
we
received
two
emails
for
public
comment,
one
from
dick
Malone
who's,
the
executive
director
of
the
Center
for
Independent
Futures,
and
he
wrote
in
support
of
item
R3
on
our
agenda
tonight.
And
then
we
also
heard
from
Trisha
Connolly,
who
wrote
about
R2
and
R3
in
support
of
both
and
also
wanting
the
city
to
provide
a
status
update
on
the
status
of
the
Commission
on
Aging
and
so
seeing
that
we're
through
public
comment.
E
A
Moved
okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
considering
we
have
people
online,
we
can
take.
If
you
have
any
discussion
on
the
meetings.
Okay,
so
I
guess
we
can
take
our
roll
call
boat.
D
A
F
I've
talked
to
most
everybody
here,
so
I
will
I
will
save
you
the
long
explanation
that
most
of
you
received
on
the
phone
call
today
and
I'll
say
you
know.
Basically
what
this
comes
down
to
is.
It
seems
like
there's,
there's
kind
of
support
from
some
council
members
on
two
different
options.
One
is
doing
what
we
often
do
with
committees
that
work
Community
Committee
members
are
determined
by
seniority
where
there's
a
rotation
either
rotation
of
the
chair
of
its
members.
F
So
if
the
the
the
true
intent
is
to
have
a
kind
of
a
selected
small
group
of
three,
then
we
can
still
maintain
a
small
select
group
of
committee
members
but
again
have
fairness.
We
could
rotate
the
committee
members
every
three
months
six
months.
Whatever
you
know
whatever
is,
is
supported
of
this
group.
F
I
think
the
other
option
that
I've
heard
some
support
for
is
striking
the
exception
again
and
make
it
fair
so
that
a
small
select
group
of
senior
council
members
aren't
determining
in
lieu
of
two
co-sponsors
which
items
are
worth
even
discussing
again,
especially
before
we've
had
a
chance
to
research.
It
read
through
a
memo
and
understand
what
really
is
being
proposed,
but
that
we
can
extract
the
exception
and
it's
just
a
fair,
blanket
rule.
You
need
two
co-sponsors
for
any
agenda
item
for
any
a
referral
to
make
it
on
the
agenda.
F
It's
a
rule
and
again
a
select
group
of
of
referrals
committee
members
are
not
making
that
determination
of
when
an
exception
is
to
be
applied.
So
it's
just
a
fair
rule,
no
exceptions
or
we
rotate
committee
members.
A
Okay:
next,
we
have
council
member
Reed.
E
Yeah
I.
E
I
think
that
we,
you
know
I
was
the
Lone
no
vote
against
this
amendment
against
the
original
Amendment
to
the
referrals
committee.
I.
Think
expanding
the
referrals
committee
makes
sense
to
make
the
committee
more
representative
of
the
city
as
a
whole
and
to
ensure
that
we
aren't
creating
barriers
to
council
members
and
the
and
the
mayor
and
folks
who
elected
them
to
doing
what
they
were
elected
to
do
and
so
I
I
support
either.
E
One
of
those
amendments
I
think
if
I
think
we
should
expand
the
committee
and
I
think
if
we're
going
to
have
a
rule
that
you
know
folks
need
co-sponsors,
it
should
be
a
hard
and
fast
rule
that
applies
to
everyone
that
is
not
selectively,
enforced
and
and
again,
I
want
to
note.
You
know
this
idea
that
you
know,
as
the
person
who's
made,
the
most
referrals
I
mean
we've
seen
in
Evanston.
Now,
I've
done
some
analysis
on
on
my
referrals.
E
You
know,
I
I
think
it's
critical,
that
we
have
discussions
and
that
we
don't
take
folks,
particularly
as
a
council
member,
from
literally
a
marginalized
Community
right.
My
represent
the
community
with
the
largest
black
population.
In
the
city,
I
represent
a
Award
with
some
of
the
lowest
income
neighborhoods
in
our
city.
E
I
personally,
am
a
young
African-American
male
who
is
queer
I,
represent
underrepresented
communities
and
for
a
committee
of
three
people
who
represent
none
of
the
communities
that
I
represent
to
pass
on
a
referral
that
I
made
or
the
council
member
Burns
Kelly
or
anybody
else
up
here
made
through
the
Democratic
process.
E
To
me,
it
reminds
me
of
the
values
that
I
think
most
evidence
in
Residence
would
expel
or
what
what
would
be
firmly
against
it
reminds
me
of
you
know
if
I'm
going
to
use
an
analogy
of
of
the
republicans
in
Congress
and
Mitch
McConnell
being
able
to
use
the
power
that
they
have
to
block
at
the
end
of
President
Obama's
term,
the
appointment
of
a
Supreme
Court
Justice
that
he
had
every
right
to
a
point.
We
should
not
be
using
our
committees
to
mimic
the
worst
aspects
of
our
democracy.
E
E
You
know
I
I,
look
at
this
process
and
and
I
I
think
as
I
mentioned
before,
that
you
know,
there's
some
referrals
personally
that
I've
made
that
I
think
folks
that
I
know
folks,
you
know
have
batted
a
few
eyes
at
and
you
know
I've
wondered
you
know,
burglar's
tools.
Why
would
we
change
our
burglars
tools
ordinance?
Well,
when
we
went
through
the
process,
we
determined
hey.
Actually,
this
found
unconstitutional
decades
ago.
E
You
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
debate
in
some
committees
about
the
public,
nudity,
ordinance
and
I.
Think
you
know,
based
on
the
equity,
empowerment
commissions,
review
of
it,
based
on
some
more
informed
Community
discussion
and
the
the
tone
antenna
of
recent
articles,
such
as
the
Roundtable
article
about
this
that
are
doing
really
good
coverage
on
this
issue
and
not
sensationalizing.
It
I
think
the
tone
of
the
conversation
is
changing,
we're
learning
something
right
and
I
think
at
the
beginning
of
those
processes.
We
would
have
just
said.
E
There
is
Enlightenment
to
be
found
in
that
discussion
and
so
I
I
think
we're
taking
the
wrong
approach
by
moving
in
a
direction
to
limit
the
ability
of
elected
representatives
to
do
an
act
to
exercise
the
one
power
that
we
actually
have,
which
is
the
legislative
power,
so
I
think
in
order
to
rectify
that
either
we
have
to
have
a
rule
that
applies
evenly
across
the
board,
such
as
council
member
Burns
is
just
reference,
making
it
a
hard
and
fast
rule
that
that
everyone
requires
two
co-sponsors
to
get
something
through
or
and
I
I.
E
Don't
think
it's
an
either
or
I
think
it's
both
and
I.
Think
and
I
think
we
need
to
expand
the
referrals
committee
or,
or
or
or
rotate
the
referrals
committee
and
I
heard.
You
know
councilmember
Burns
reference.
It
must
have
been
from
conversations
earlier
that
you
know
we.
We
created
the
referrals
committee
based
on
seniority,
which
you
know
we
didn't.
When
we
had
the
discussion
about
the
referrals
committee.
There
was
no
discussion
about
seniority.
It
was
somewhat
of
a
somewhat
of
an
it.
E
Wasn't
really
an
open
call,
but
but
I
do
think
this
committee,
holding
the
power
that
you
know
we
are
seeking
to
Grant
to
it,
needs
to
be
expanded
and
needs
to
be
more,
certainly
more
representative
of
Evanston
as
a
whole
and
more
representative
of
the
diversity
of
this
Council.
E
G
Well,
I
think
it's
important
to
clarify
that
when
the
referrals
committee
got
started,
we
were
a
brand
new
entity
and
you
know
really
developing
the
whole
process
from
scratch
and
what
we
found
after
the
first
few
months
was
I
mean
we
basically
referred
all
the
issues
that
came
to
us
to
various
committees,
but
that
didn't
necessarily
mean
that
they
appeared
on
a
committee
agenda.
So
several
months.
G
Ago
we
we
charged
Allison
leipziger
with
the
role
of
following
up
to
make
sure
that
any
of
these
items
that
we
referred
actually
got
placed
on
the
agenda
of
that
committee.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
a
misperception
to
say
that
the
referrals
committee
is
not
allowing
issues
to
be
to
get
out
of
the
committee
and
go
to
go
to
a
committee
I'm.
G
So
I
guess
that's
Point
number
one
and
number
two
I'd
be
comfortable
with
council
member
Burns
suggestion
that
that
we
don't
that
all
all
referrals
need
the
two
co-sponsors
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
way
to
demonstrate
that
there's
Council
interest
in
the
particular
issue
and
that
it
warrants
whatever
research
staff
might
have
to
make
to
develop
the
memo
to
support
a
productive
discussion
when
it
actually
comes
on
to
a
committee
agenda.
So
I'm
I
think
that
would
be
certainly
a
way
to
ensure
that
we're
being
fair
and
Democratic.
C
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
yeah,
I,
just
also
would
be
completely
comfortable
amending
the
item
that
is
currently
awaiting
a
vote
at
Council
to
say
everything
would
require
two
co-sponsors
to
get
to
get
hurt
by
a
committee,
whether
it's
a
referral
made
by
myself
or
a
member
of
city,
council
or
the
city
manager
I
think
that's
reasonable
and
appropriate,
and
if
we
can
agree
to
do
that
in
lieu
of
or
to
the
way
it's
written,
it's
something
that
I'm
comfortable
getting
on
board
with.
A
D
Sorry
Mike
on
there
I'll
get
behind
the
two
co-sponsor
motion.
I
just
want
to
clarify.
You
know
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve
here
in
trying
to
Define
that
why
do
we
even
have
the
referrals
process
it's
not
to
weigh
in,
in
my
opinion,
on
the
validity
of
a
referral,
whether
a
particular
referral
is
right
or
wrong.
Really,
the
important
of
the
the
importance
of
the
referrals
committee
process
is
to
help
us
decide
what's
worth
spending
our
time
on.
We
have
limited
time.
D
We
have
limited
money
we
have,
and
that
applies
to
staff.
That
applies
to
the
city
council
members.
We
have
limited
bandwidth,
so
we
can't
do
everything
all
at
once,
even
if
everything's
a
good
idea,
and
so
the
the
role
of
the
referrals
committee
is
to
kind
of
triage
and
say
yeah.
This
is
really
important.
We
need
to
do
this
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
maybe
there's
another
idea
that
comes
in
that
might
be
worthy
of
consideration.
D
But
it's
not
a
super
pressing
issue
and
that's
the
role
that
I
expect
the
referrals
committee
to
play
and
I
think
with
a
three
vote
or
a
three
sponsor
and
two
co-sponsor
requirement.
I
think
we
can
play
that
role
effectively
by
keeping
keeping
the
the
committee
membership
as
it
is
thanks.
E
Yeah
sometimes
I
feel
like
the
the
adults
from
Charlie
Brown.
It's
like
the
Wampa
I
made
this
Amendment
last
time.
It
was
voted
down
so
I'm
fully
supportive
of
that.
I
still
think
that
R2
has
Merit
so
I'm
supportive
of
where
we
are
going.
I've
been
supportive
of
that
since
the
since
the
beginning
of
this,
and
that's
why
I
voted
no
on
the
proposal
initially.
The
last
time
I
was
here.
I
still
think
that
the
referrals
committee
needs
to
be
more
representative
of
the
community
as
a
whole.
E
I
I
do
not
think
that
the
understanding,
evanston's
history
again.
This
is
nothing
on
the
current
council
members
or
the
mayor
that
are
on
that
committee,
but
understanding
our
history
and
understanding
human
nature.
When
we
give
a
committee,
this
much
power
understand
that
this
makeup
may
not
always
be
in
power
and
and
if,
in
three
years
when
we
elect
a
new
Council,
the
Dynamics
could
completely
change
and
folks
who
are
supportive
of
this
could
be
in
a
minority
and
their
referrals.
Given
the
way
this
committee
is
is
shaping
up.
E
This
committee
could
be
used
to
block
really
important
things
that
people
who
are
now
you
know
potentially
in
the
majority.
If
you
will,
you
know,
or
a
splintered
majority
may
not,
you
know,
may
not
like
what
happens
with
with
the
new
Council,
and
so
we
should
be
building
policy
that
survives,
that
level
of
scrutiny
and
a
you
know,
someone
who
is
again
I've
mentioned
him
before
huge
fan
of
our
first
African-American
first
black
Alderman
in
Evanston.
You
know
Alderman
Jordan.
E
If,
if
we
had
these
rules
in
place,
then
with
with
this
kind
of
limited,
you
know
control
over
what
referrals
are
deemed
valid
and
not
valid.
E
We
would
not
have
seen
a
lot
of
the
progress
that
we
saw
in
the
1930s
and
40s,
because
the
council,
as
it
was
comprised
then,
was
was
so
divided
and
so
malicious
against
minority
viewpoints
that
they,
quite
literally
in
1932
illegally,
voted
to
remove
a
member
of
their
a
duly
elected
member
of
the
council
from
the
body
and-
and
so
this
is,
you
know,
I
think
we
I
wish.
We
had
more
perspective.
E
I
wish
that
even
you
know
mayor
this
and
and
the
people
who
are
supporting
this
I
wish
that
we
had
some
data
supporting
this.
You
know
some
data
to
say.
Here's
the
staff
time
that
is,
you
know,
quote
unquote
being
consumed
by
these
referrals.
Here
is
the
you
know,
potential
stress
or
burden
that
is
being
placed
on
the
system
from
these
referrals,
and
we
just
haven't
seen
that
we
even
had
a
human
services
committee
meeting
that
would
have
taken
place
today
before
this
committee
or
after
actually,
this
committee.
E
That
was
canceled,
because
there
weren't
enough
items
on
that
agenda
and
so
I
wish.
There
was
just
more
data
backing
this
up
and
and
I.
Just
personally
want
to
note
that
you
know
of
the
referrals
that
I
have
made,
for
example,
I've
gone
back
and
looked
at
the
data
and
of
the
referrals
that
I
have
made
that
have
come
up
for
a
vote
and
have
been
considered
I
think
over
60
of
them
have
passed
and
with
with
more
to
come
so
I.
E
E
That
would
need
to
be
put
forth
in
order
to
truly
make
that
case
and
so
I'm
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
get
to
a
place
where
we
begin
to
trust
each
other
and
value
each
other's
ideas
and
work
as
true
interlocutors
to
to
get
to
yes
or
get
to
a
solution
that
meets
the
needs
of
the
broadest
section
of
our
community.
So
thank
you.
Okay,.
F
You
know
because
it
was
just
asked
to
me
by
text,
but
so
and
also
just
for
the
community
members
watching
and
then
I
guess
also
for
the
media's
benefit,
because
I
didn't
explain
is
going
into
it
that
my
referral
was
I.
Think
to
allow
up
to
five
council
members
to
join
this
committee.
That's
that's!
You
know
consistent
with
human
services
plan
and
development
on
and
on
the
people
who
we've
been
very
liberal
with
with
who's
able
to
serve
on
our
committees.
F
If
you
want
to
serve
on
the
committee
you're
allowed
to
if
the
rules
state
that
there
is
a
Committee
Member
restriction.
As
far
as
the
amount
of
committee
members
we've
been
happy
to
waive
that
or
to
not
to
wave
it,
but
to
change
our
rules
to
allow
for
more
committee
members,
and
so
the
referral
that
is
in
on
our
agenda
was
really
about
putting
this
more
in
line
with
I.
F
Think
what
the
rules
even
currently
allowed
for
that,
but
but
up
to
up
to
five
I,
think
it's
restricted
to
three
now
and
speaking
with
my
colleagues
before
this
meeting
and
although
I
think
the
R2
as
is
written,
is
the
best
course
of
action.
From
speaking
to
my
colleagues,
it
seems
like
before
the
meeting
it
seems
like
there
was
varying
support
for
two
different
options,
and
one
of
those
options
is
not
what
I
referred.
F
So
the
two
options,
again
to
repeat,
were
either
having
a
a
rotated
referrals
committee
restricting
it
to
three
council
members
but
rotating
who
is
who
sits
on
that
committee
and
then
it
seems
like
what
there's
I
think
a
majority
support
for
tonight
is
to
not
do
that,
but
instead
to
to
remove
the
exception.
So
as
it's
written
currently
what
we.
What
we
are
adopted
as
a
council
rules
committee,
is
that
in
lieu
of
two
co-sponsors,
the
referrals
committee
can
make
an
exception
right.
Three
senior.
F
You
know
in
some
ways
at
least
my
opinion.
You
know.
Select
group
of
three
council
members
in
perpetuity
can
will
make
a
decision
on
on
in
lieu
of
two
co-sponsors,
and
it
sounds
like
that's
removing
that
ability
for
the
referrals
committee
to
make
an
exception
and
just
making
it
a
hard
rule
that
you
need
two
co-sponsors
for
a
referral
to
make
its
way
on
an
agenda.
It
sounds
like
with
their
support
for
currently
to
councilmember
Kelly's
question.
F
As
you
asked
me,
I
I
support
rotating,
but
I
don't
know
if
there's
enough
support
to
do
that.
So
that's
why
I
wanted
to
provide
two
different,
two
different
options.
A
A
E
Yeah
I'm
not
gonna,
give
some
diatribe
this
time.
I
I
do
want
to
move
to
I
think
we
should
at
least
have
a
rotation
on
this
committee.
I
think
we
should
have
at
least
an
at.
Obviously
the
mayor
would
stay
on
the
committee
as
the
chair
indefinitely,
but
I
do
think.
The
council
members
on
this
committee
should
rotate
on
an
annual
basis.
E
I
think
that
makes
sense
with
the
committee
that
has
this
kind
of
power
and
influence
over
the
process
or
the
power
should
just
come
to
the
rules
committee
as
a
whole,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
we
could
all
just
look
at
it
and
decide
whether
or
not
it
moves
forward,
but
at
a
minimum.
If
we
are
set
on
having
this
referrals
committee,
that
specifically
looks
at
referrals
I
think
it
should
rotate
on
an
annual
basis
and
council
member
Burns.
E
That's
not
currently
a
part
of
this
proposal
correct
the
annual
rotation
is
not
is
not
a
part
of
it.
So
I,
you
know
I'd
like
to
move
if
there
isn't
support
potentially
to
expand
the
membership,
and
it
seems
like
there
may
not
be
based
on
the
conversation
that
had
was
had
I'd
like
to
amend
this.
To
make
this
make
it
an
annual
rotation
of
the
committee
membership.
So
I
move
that
Amendment.
A
Okay,
we
have
mayor,
biss
is
up
next
I.
C
Just
want
to
I
want
to
flag
something
before
this
motion
is
seconded,
just
pulled
up
the
rules
and
I'm
looking
at
rule
9.3
a
the
rules
committee.
This
body
has
full
jurisdiction
over
appointing
members
to
all
the
stand-in
committees,
doesn't
treat
referrals
any
different
than
p
d
or
APW
or
Human
Services
they're
all
treated
the
same.
The
thing
that's
different
is
that
the
referrals
committee
didn't
exist
at
the
beginning
of
this
Council
when
the
rotation
got
created.
C
So
we
don't
need
a
rule
change
to
accomplish
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
council
member
Reid.
If,
if
you
want
to
come
back
to
the
next
rules
committee
with
a
with
a
rotation
plan
for
us
to
vote
on
I,
think
that
makes
perfect
sense,
we
could
treat
it
like
the
other
standing
committees,
but
but
I,
don't
there's
no
reason
to
write
into
the
rules
that
there
shall
be
a
rotation.
That's
the
decision
that
we
could
make
at
any
time
that
we
could
have
made
on
day
one
of
referrals
committing
existing.
C
We
could
do
it
right
now
if
we
had
the
kind
of
ability
to
do
a
rotation
off
the
top
of
our
head,
which
I
think
is
an
incredibly
bad
idea,
because
we'd
wind
up
with
sticky
notes
and
and
easels,
and
it
would
be
a
real,
the
whole
thing
or
we
could
just
do
it
at
the
next
meeting.
The
rules
committee
I,
don't
think
that
your
this
motion
is
is
actually
the
way
to
do
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish.
E
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
see
your
point,
but
what
is
different
and
as
councilmember
Burns
pointed
out
is
with
every
other
committee
we
allow
for
anyone
who
wants
to
serve
on
that
committee
to
serve
on
that
committee.
This
is
the
only
committee
and
we're
even
willing
to
expand
membership
to
allow
someone
to
serve
on
a
committee,
and
this
is
the
one
committee
where
it
appears
that
we
are
unwilling
to
expand
membership.
I've
heard
several
folks
today
say
that
they're,
for
you
know,
I'm
not
hearing
the
exact
reason.
E
I
remember
the
reasons
you
know
during
the
initial
discussion
not
hearing
it
today,
but
that
folks
want
to
keep
this
committee
at
three
members.
That's
not
the
case
for
Human
Services,
that's
not
the
case
for
or
any
of
our
other
standing
committees
for
pnd,
for
you
know,
APW.
E
Anyone
who
wanted
to
be
on
those
committees
could
join,
and
so
that
is
you
know
my
my
reasoning
for
including,
if
we're
going
to
keep
this
committee
limited
to
three
I,
think
it
is
important
that
you
know
it's
clearing
the
rules
that
if
it's
only
three
people
that
we
will
have
a
regular
rotation
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
and
and
I
I'm
fine.
F
The
the
rules
suggest
that
this
is
similar
to
other
committees,
but
I
think
from
conversations
I've
had
with
my
my
colleagues.
They
we
still
would
need
to
support
a
rotation
at
some
point
whenever
that
schedule
was
made
and
I'm
not
confident.
There's
support
to
do
that.
I
I
hope,
that's
the
case
and,
and
hopefully
that's
what
we're
indicating
today.
But
what
what
I've
gathered?
Is
that
there's
not
only
a
desire
for
some
of
our
colleagues
to
for
this
to
be
to
remain
three
three.
F
You
know
council
members,
but
in
addition
to
that
that
there
may
not
be
support
to
rotate
and
so
again,
I
I
understand
I've
conceded
that
looking
at
the
rules
it
it
seems
as
though
this
is
the
same
as
other
committees
and
that
we're
going
to
be
just
as
liberal
as
we
have
with
other
committees
with
this
one,
but
it
doesn't
feel
that
way.
Based
on
my
conversation,
so
you
know
I'm
not
necessarily
convinced
we
need
to
to
make
an
amendment
to
say
rotation,
but
that's
I
just
want
to
get
that
out.
There
I
wish.
F
We
were
just
treating
this
like
every
other
committee,
but
it
doesn't
uphill
or
appear
that
way,
which
is
why
I
think
councilman
Reed
is
saying:
let's
make
sure
that
it
is
in
the
rules
that
we
will
rotate
on
an
annual
basis.
H
There
a
second
so
just
to
clarify
Mr
chair.
The
original
motion
was
made
to
amend
if
there's
no
second
that
fails
and
then
this
motion
to
table
will
be
in
order.
If
there
is
a
second
I
just
need
clear
clarity
as
to
what
exactly
we're
mending
so
that
we
can
the.
E
E
And
I'm
sorry,
councilman,
Ravel,
disappoint
and,
in
my
poor
reason,
for
tabling
this
I
would
like
to
amend
and
then
table,
but
to
guarantee
that
this
discussion
comes
back
to
the
next
rules
committee,
whether
it's
with
a
new
rotation
schedule
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
just
to
ensure
that
this
issue
is
on
the
next
agenda
and
there's
some
buy-in.
You
know
vote
from
everyone
indicating
that
we
are
committed
to
actually
creating
a
real
rotation
schedule.
E
That
is
my
reasoning
for
tabling
this
and
having
it
come
back,
as
you
know,
either
with
or
as
a
rotation
schedule
to
achieve,
I
think
the
ultimate
goal
of
this
resolution,
which
was
to
create
some
equity
on
the
referrals
committee
process,.
B
Mayor
BISS
aye
council
member
Harry,
Carris
aye,
Council
memory,
aye
councilmember,
Ravel,
aye,
council
member
saffordin,
council
member
Barons,
aye
councilmember,
nusma,
aye
council
member,
when
tonight
here,
council,
member
Harris,
aye
aye
council,
member
Kelly,
aye.
A
E
G
I'll
just
say:
I
think
it's
a
really
important
idea
and
really
glad
that
this
is
being
brought
to
our
attention.
A
Yes,
I
I
concur
so
seeing
no
other
discussion
can
we
take
a
vote.
A
A
So
that
motion
passes:
let's
go
on
to
our
four
ordinance:
109.022
amending
city
code,
title
2,
chapter
6,
Social,
Services
committee,
so
moved
okay;
okay,
any
discussion
on
this
one.
C
A
All
right
that
passes,
then,
let's
go
on
to
our
last
item
on
the
docket
D1
communication
support
for
council
members.
A
Second
of
a
second:
let's
open
the
floor
for
discussion.
F
So
I
guess
where
the
start
is
that
this
is
really
an
expansion
of
what
we
this
is
looking
to
expand.
What
we
already
provide
to
support
council
members.
So
we
currently
support
council
members
with
professional
development.
F
I
just
went
to
a
wonderful
conference
in
Columbus
Ohio
that
was
paid
for
by
the
City
of
Evanston
to
learn
about
all
types
of
things
and
and
brought
back
some
really
good
information
and
had
have
had
some
really
good
discussions
and
there
are
existing
projects
that
will
benefit
from
my
time
spent
in
Columbus
and
Care.
Pratt
also
was
there,
and
we
also
have
a
set
aside
for
internet
access,
as
well
as
other
things.
F
G
F
Sitting
alongside
me,
but
also
those
from
previous
administrations
who
have
all
said
that
they
have
went
into
their
pockets
for
to
advance,
you
know
work
of
the
city,
work
of
and
and
to
forward
our
responsibilities.
Council
members
specifically
in
the
area
of
communications-
and
you
know,
councilman
Reed,
of
course,
I
believe,
made
a
referral
to
look
at
to
look
at
increasing
our
compensation,
our
salary,
which
we
will
look
at
that
at
a
at
a
later
date.
F
You
know,
but
I'm.
You
know
we'll
see
where,
where
we
land
on
that
issue,
I
think
even
more
than
a
salary
adjustment.
What
I
found
kind
of
deeply
concerning
and
inappropriate,
frankly,
is
that
any
council
member
would
have
to
go
in
their
pocket
for
communication
support,
whether
it's
translation
services
help
with
newsletters
help
with
award
announcements
help
with
spotlighting
businesses
help
with
summarizing
award
meetings.
F
Whatever
the
case
may
be,
we
should
have
the
funding
to
do
it
to
do
it
well
and
to
create
a
minimum
standard
of
Engagement
and
Communications
with
our
Wards,
and
we
don't
have
that
I
understand.
There
are
interns
out
here
that
can
do
all
types
of
things
and
volunteers.
Even
that
takes
time
to
organize
and
to
sustain
someone
like
myself.
I
sit
on
every
committee,
but
Equity
empowerment,
I
do
not
have
time
to
write
a
sentence:
I
do
it,
but
I
really
do
not
have
the
time
to
write
a
sentence
of
a
newsletter.
F
It's
taking
away
precious
time.
That
I
would
rather
be
spending
with
my
family
and
preparing
for
these
meetings.
Right,
which
is
difficult
enough.
I
need
help
and
it
is
interns
are
not
enough.
Volunteers
are
not
enough.
I
need
in
the
same
way
that
we
support
council
members
with
professional
development
and
and
other
things
I've
described.
We
need
help
in
this
area,
and
it's
not
just
me
I,
would
imagine
the
majority
of
us
up
here
have
experiences.
F
We
should
not
have
to
go
on
our
pocket
to
do
this
work
and
so
I'll
stop
there,
because
I've
talked
about
all
the
details
with
you
all,
but
I,
just
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
I
need
help.
I
need
support
to
do
this
work
well
and
and
I'm
I've.
This
number
came
from
the
fact
that
in
Chicago
each
Alderman
is
given
you
know,
probably
between
200
and
250
000,
for
staff
support.
They
represent
about
50
000
people
in
each
Ward.
Roughly
speaking,
we
represent
collectively
78
to
80
000.
F
F
If
you
don't
want
to
use
it,
if
you
don't
see
the
benefit,
if
you
can't
justify
this
to
your
constituents,
don't
use
it,
but
for
those
of
us
who,
like
myself,
who
have
brought
this
up
in
war
meetings
and-
and
this
has
support
from
my
ward
for
those
who
who
need
it-
allow
us
the
funding
to
use
it.
If
you
don't
want
to
use
it,
you
don't
have
to,
and
then
we
can
divert
that
money
for
some
other
purpose.
So
that
is
all
thank
you.
A
Okay,
I
have
one
quick
comment
on
this
I
I
think
me
personally,
I
have
a
Spanish
interpreter
at
all
my
award
meetings
and
that's
something
I
pay
out
of
pocket
for
their
time
and
yeah
I.
Think
it's
something
I
think
like
me
personally,
might
I
would
like
to
put
out
more
Communications
if
I
could,
but
I'd
need
definitely
could
use
help
on
that.
D
You
Mr
chair
yeah.
This
is
a
tough
job
and
I
could
use
some
help
as
well.
You
know
not
only
with
communication,
but
with
policy,
research
policy
and
now
and
Analysis
I
think
a
better
way
to
accomplish
this
is
by
hiring
permanent
staff
to
support
city
council
rather
than
allowing
council
members
a
discretionary
budget
to
to
spend,
as
we
see
fit.
G
D
I
think
developing
some
internal
capabilities
that
can
support
this
Council
for
the
next
two
and
a
half
years,
and
then
the
next
Council
after
you
know
after
this
Council
turns
over
I,
think
that's
a
better
way
to
spend
the
money
and
City
managersto
and
I
have
initiated
a
conversation
about
kind
of
reinvigorating
an
intern
program
which
I'm
not
going
to
put
Luke
on
the
spot
right
now,
because
it
was
just
an
idea
that
we
kind
of
mentioned
the
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
I
think
there
are
ways
we
can.
D
We
can
do
this
more
efficiently
than
allowing
us
what
amounts
to
you
know.
Twelve
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
month
for
communications.
We've
got
we
get
75
a
month
for
technology,
which
is
great
that
helps
pay
my
cell
phone
bill,
but
12.50
a
month
for
communication
strikes
me
as
a
lot
and
I
think
it's
probably
better
use
of
taxpayer
money
to
hire
additional
communication
staff
or-
and
or
you
know,
city
council
support
staff.
D
But
I
do
agree
that
there
is,
you
know,
a
need
for
some
assistance
with
this
job
for
sure.
E
Yes,
I
appreciate
your
comments:
councilmember
newsma,
I,
I
I
do
think,
there's
a
need
for
additional
staff,
but
I
also
do
think
that
each
of
us
have
you
know
unique
Wards,
unique
ways
of
communicating
with
our
residents
and
having
a
fund
again.
This
wouldn't
be
a
stipend
that
would
go
to
the
council
member.
D
E
You
know
staff
member
requesting
funds,
but
it
would
allow
us
flexibility
to
communicate
with
our
residents
in
a
way
that
that
each
of
us
sees
is
most
effective
and
most
you
know,
as
I
said
effective
for
our
particular
communities,
and
you
know
what
works
in
the
fourth
ward
may
not
work
in
the
eighth
wood
works
in
the
seventh
may,
not
work
in
the
first,
so
I
I
support.
E
This
I
think
we
should
move
forward
with
it
and
allow
that
flexibility
for
each
of
us
to
communicate
in
in
the
ways
that
are
most
effective
in
our
particular
Awards.
G
Well,
I'd
like
to
distinguish
between
general
assistance
to
the
council
members
and
the
need
for
someone
to
do
the
translation,
assistance,
I,
think
I.
Think
as
a
council,
we
need
to
come
to
grips
with
providing
addressing
the
trans,
the
translation
issue,
because
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
community
members
and
a
lot
of
meetings
where
we
we
need
to
be
having
someone
available
to
to
do
that
translation
service
and
so
I'm
a
little
horrified
that
our
colleague
here
is
paying
for
that
out
of
his
pocket.
G
So
I
guess
I'd
like
us
to
brainstorm
at
some
point
about
how
to
how
to
pay
for
that
service
in
general
for
the
community
and
then
I
guess:
I
I,
like
council
member
new
Smith's
idea
of
of
having
this
be
possibly
someone
permanently
on
the
city
staff,
who
provides
the
support
for
the
council
and
I
guess.
My
last
point
would
be
I'd
I'd
like
to
be
weighing
this
decision
when
I'm
looking
at
the
whole
2023
budget,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
trade-offs.
G
That
we
need
to
make
150
000
is,
you
know,
could
be
another
different
kind
of
Staff
person,
so
I'm
I'm,
uncomfortable
I,
mean
I,
know
where
this
is
just
for
discussion
today.
But
maybe
this
is
direction
to
city
manager
in
terms
of
what
kinds
of
options
he
presents
to
us
as
part
of
the
2023
budget.
F
Just
to
go
Point
by
point,
so
it's
in
rules,
because
the
referrals
committee
referred
it
here.
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
and
and
I
don't
sit
on
referrals.
So
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
the
reason
why
the
recommendation
from
the
referrals
committee
was
that
it
it
show
up
in
Q4
was
to
make
sure
we
were
having
it
alongside
our
budget
discussion,
I
didn't
send
it
to
rules
even
today,
I'm,
not
necessarily
looking
for
a
vote
on
this
item
as
much
as
it
is
support.
F
So
move
this
forward
to
our
budget
to
our
city
council
meeting.
So
we
can
discuss
it
as
part
of
our
budget
discussions,
which
is
probably
what
I
would
have
preferred
anyway,
but
again
I
think
it
was
the
rules
committee
that
determined
that
it
needed
to
come
here
first.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
this
it's
here
today,
because
the
referrals
committee
I
think
recommended
it
be
here.
F
Additionally,
there's
no
indication
that
bringing
on
additional
staff
will
cost
less
than
this
frankly.
I
think
it
would
cost
more
than
this
to
have
salary
benefits
for
one
or
two
people.
135
come
on.
Like
that's,
it's
going
to
cost
what
I'm
hearing
proposed
will
cost
more
than
this
so
again,
just
to
walk
people
back
through
how
this.
How
this
got
here
is
that
I
made
the
referral
and,
by
the
way,
councilmember
newsman.
We
have
a
policy
coordinator.
So
for
your
policy
considerations,
you
should
contact
Allison
lipsinger,
that's
our
policy
person!
F
That's
why
I
narrowly
focus
this
around
communication
support,
although
research
was,
was
a
concern
for
me
initially
through
conversations
that
I
have
with
Allison
lepsinger
and
then
we
also
met
with
Patrick
degne
in
our
Communications
I'm,
not
sure
of
His
official
title
but
I
know
he's
part
of
our
Communications
team
and
and
Kelly
gandersky,
who
was
the
interim
city
manager
at
the
time,
was
that
Allison
is
our
policy
coordinator.
That
is
the
person
that
we're
supposed
to
go
to
to
help
support
our
policy
initiative.
F
So
this
isn't
that
that
that
that
is
actually
addressed
already
in
our
budget.
While
this
is
is
not
addressed
and
so
again,
I
think
this
will
cost
less
it
would
when
we
discussed
it
again,
Kelly
ganderski
myself,
Allison
left
singer
Patrick
degnan
when
we
discussed
this.
F
It
may
change
one
person
if
we
have
hire
one
or
two
people
would
I
need
them
to
cover
a
war
meeting
so
that
they
can
so
that
they
can
summarize
it
again.
I'm
not
saying
everybody
wants
that.
That's
the
beauty
of
this.
If
you
don't
want
it,
you
don't
have
to
use
it,
but
I
want
that.
That
person
may
not
be
available.
They
may
not
even
be
available
after
hours
who's
to
say
that
this
individual
will
work
beyond
the
nine,
the
regular
nine
to
five
workday.
F
So
this
gives
us
the
flexibility
to
go
out
in
the
community,
perhaps
even
go
out
in
our
own
Wards
find
people
who
are
already
maybe
active
in
participating
or
group
groups
of
people,
people
and
and
hire
them
to
take
on
kind
of
a
greater
level
of
responsibility
when
they're
available,
and
so
this
again
this
is
likely
going
to
be
cost
less
than
what
I'm
hearing
being
proposed
an
alternative,
and
it
allows
us
the
flexibility,
I
think
to
to
really
make
sure
that
the
individual
and
unique
needs
of
council
members
are
satisfied
by
this
and
then
I
just
again
want
to
highlight
that
I'm
not
looking
for
a
vote,
a
yes
or
no
today.
F
C
Thanks
Mr
chair
the
reason
the
referrals
committee
sent
this
here
was
because
of
what
was
the
referrals
committee,
a
completely
unanswered
question
mark
about
the
kind
of
legal
ramifications
of
this
type
of
decision.
C
I
think
it's,
unlike
anything
we
have
in
the
city
and
that
it
seems
to
be
the
creation
of
like
kind
of
a
pot
of
money
that
is
under
the
jurisdiction
of
elected
officials
utilized
to
procure
staff
time.
That
would
be
answering
two
elected
officials,
and
so
we
were
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
meant
is.
How
do
you
structure
that?
Is
it
legal?
The
analogy
to
Chicago
I
think
is
totally.
C
Unconstructive
because
they
have
a
different
form
of
government
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
council
members
have
a
different
set
of
responsibilities
and
different
set
of
expectations,
and
it's
totally
normal
in
that
form
of
government
for
staff
to
report
to
elected
officials.
Our
situation
here
is
somewhat
different.
F
I,
just
as
a
quick
rebuttal
just
want
to
say
that
the
the
way
this
would
be
designed
and
I
think
again
at
the
time
this
was
erect
by
the
recommendation
of
our
intro
city
managers
that
this
we
would
not
have
direct.
We
would
not
have
control
over
this
as
a
city
council.
This
is
a
budget
that
would
sit
in
the
city
manager's
office
that
a
vendor
or
contractor
somebody
providing
services
to
a
council
member
could
access
in
any
way
a
vendor
would
so
they
would.
F
They
would
request
compensation
from
our
purchasing
department
for
work
performed
for
council
members
and
I
think
in
a
call
earlier
with
councilmember
Ravel
the
idea,
what
what
she
would
like
to
see
if
this
was
something
that
we
ended
up
moving
forward
with,
is
that
the
the
work
would
be
approved
on
the
front
end
by
the
city
manager.
Hey
I
would
like
help
doing
this,
and
then
that
would
initiate
the
work.
The
person
would
do
it
and
then
they
would
they
would
again
submit
for
payment
with
our
purchasing
department.
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
somewhat
related
to
this,
and
maybe
actually
identical
to
this
is
a
policy
that
we
don't
have
regarding
What
expenses,
what
personal
expenses
are
reimbursable,
so
whether
we're
in
my
case,
paying
for
some
flyers
that
I
passed
out
myself
or
Alderman
council
member
headache
is
paying
for
translation
services.
Some
of
these
expenses
that
we
are
incurring
personally
might
be
reimbursable
to
the
city
and
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
you
know
we
take
a
look
at
defining
a
policy
that
delineates
What
expenses
may
or
may
not
be
reimbursable.
D
A
Okay,
let's
start
to
wrap
this
up,
but
councilmember
Reed
yeah.
E
Two
points,
so
we
we
do
have
a
policy
that
that
states
that
it's
in
our
rules
already
it
says
travel
is
reimbursable.
You
know
similar
to
the
conference
the
council
member
Burns
went
to
you
know
this.
We
have
the
cell
phone
expense
that
that's
built
in
and
then
essentially
nothing
else
is
and
I'm.
Sorry
when
I
say
travel,
I
specifically
mean
going
to
a
conference
or
attending
a
conference,
not
as
much
as
I
would
like
you
know.
E
Maybe
my
lifting
Ubers
from
home
to
council
would
be
nice
to
have
covered,
but
and
and
also
think
that
it
creates.
You
know
if
we
just
do
reimbursements
there.
There
are
times
I.
I
am
a
a
a
just,
a
council
member
and
a
student
right
now.
I'm,
not
working
outside
of
that
and
I
could
not
afford
on
I'm
living
on
a
very
fixed
income.
I
probably
couldn't
afford
to
go
to
certain
conferences,
T
and
even
have
it
reimbursed
and
so
making
funds
available
for
Council
Members.
E
You
know
using
an
equity
lens,
particularly
as
we
want
to
diversify
this
Council
and
see.
You
know
more
people
who
are
even
more
representative
of
the
multi.
You
know
multiple
facets
of
our
community,
including
on
the
lower
income
scale.
E
I,
think
making
funds
available
that
have
a
specific
use
to
help
us
reach
out
to
our
community
and
keep
residents
informed,
is
something
that
makes
sense,
and
you
know
we
shouldn't
have
you
know,
council
members
who
are
more
fluent
and
wealthier
able
to
do
more
Outreach
because
they
have
the
resources
and
those
of
us
who
aren't
as
and
those
of
us
who
are
poor,
poor
and
maybe
so
poor
that
they
can't
afford
the
LA.
E
You
know,
po,
that
those
folks
should
you
know,
have
the
same
ability
to,
or
or
at
least
from
the
city's
perspective,
have
an
equal
playing
field
when
it
comes
to
official
communication
from
City
Council
Members
to
their
warden.
So
that's
that's.
Why
I
think
this
says
Merit
and
will
be
supportive
of
this
moving
forward.
A
Okay,
we
have
council
member
Kelly
with
their
first
comment,
so.
I
I
just
wanted
to
comment
regarding
Chicago
and
that
it
is
somewhat
similar
and
is
somewhat
constructive.
I'm
not
advocating
one
way
or
the
other
right
now,
but
Lightfoot
did
this
year,
give
each
council
member
a
hundred
thousand
spending
spending
money.
However,
they
wanted
to
use
it.
Ours
would
obviously
what
council
member
Burns
is
proposing
would
have
much
tighter
parameters
and
obviously
much
less
but
I,
but
each
council
member
was
I'm,
given
a
sweetener
of
a
hundred
thousand
to
spend
as
they
like.
So
there
is
some
what
comfortable.
F
I
would
just
say
that
we
need
to
be
very
you
know
it's
one
thing
that
higher
Equity
coordinator,
which
hopefully
we're
doing
soon
and
had
an
equity
commission,
but
we
need
to
live
it
and
generally
I,
don't
even
know
it's
generally,
maybe
always,
but
generally
reimbursement
policies
are
not
Equitable,
as
councilmember
read,
I
think
it
mentioned
just
a
moment
ago,
because
you
have
to
pay
it
on
the
front
end
and
everybody
does
not.
F
Expect
them
on
the
front
end
to
pay
for
not
only
travel
in
some
circumstances
like
with
with
the
conferences,
we
even
requires
reimbursement
with
conferences
for
travel
and
not
on
other
other
things,
but
then
I
have
to
to
pay
for
for
this
support,
so
that
is
not
Equitable
and
which
is
why
I
did
not
propose
it,
and
and
also
think
that
it
I
think
Chicago
is
a
good
example,
especially
for
Evanston,
because
if
we're
only
doing
what
statutorally
obligated,
we
would
just
be
legislating
preparing
for
meetings
and
voting
on
things
and
I.
F
Think
the
history
of
this
city
right
is
about
war
meetings
and
office
hours,
and
you
know,
council,
member
newsma
is
probably
Neck
Deep
on
an
issue
that,
if
he
really
were
just
looking
doing,
his
legislative
responsibilities
would
not
be
as
deep
as
you
are
in
the
issue
around
the
margarita
and
and
other
issues.
So
clearly
in
Evanston
I.
Think
there's
an
expectation
both
for
this
Council
but
also
I
think
an
expectation
the
community
has
for
us
to
be
involved
to
get
it
get
more
involved
and
be
involved
in
our
community.
F
We
certainly
campaigned
around
being
more
involved
and
active
I.
Think
all
of
us,
in
addition
to
our
policy
goals,
also
had
a
commitment
to
community
engagement
and
I,
want
us
to
be
able
to
fulfill
that
commitment
and
and
so
again
just
to
wrap
this
up.
The
only
thing
I'm
really
asking
for
is
that
is
that
we
forward
this
to
council
so
that
we
can
have
this
discussion
alongside
our
budget
discussion.
A
E
Councilmember
Reed,
you
know
close
out
here
and
I
forgot
to
take
the
note,
but
I
wanted
to
address
the
Chicago
comparison
as
well.
I
think
councilmember
Burns
hit
it
from
one
angle,
and
so
I
won't
repeat
that,
although
I
will
add
to
that
point,
I
know
all
of
us
get
emails,
probably
daily
about
some
issue.
That
again
has
nothing
to
do
with
our
legislative
responsibility
that
has
to
do
with
hey
I.
E
Had
this
issue,
you
know
with
this
city
service,
and
you
know,
I
need
rat
traps
or
you
know,
there's
a
a
fountain
coming
out
of
my
toilet,
because
the
city
did
sewer
flushing
recently
and
that's
a
real
email
in
text.
I
got
today
and
has
been
getting
a
lot
recently.
E
You
know
there
are
trash,
didn't
get
picked
up
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
our
legislative
responsibilities,
because
because
we
live
so
close
to
Chicago,
and
so
many
of
our
residents
interact
with
Chicago
I
think
they
have
a
similar
expectation
of
us
that
we
engage
in
in
that
way.
But
to
get
to
the
the
point
that
I
wanted
to
raise.
That's
different
from
council
member
Burns,
they
illustrate
the
comparison
is
up
until
this
term.
E
The
mayor
had
a
secretary
and
are
knows
all
about
that,
and
so
we
had
a
staff
member
who
yes
technically,
reported
to
the
city
manager
and
was
technically
directed
by
the
city
manager,
but
really
in
all
reality
reported
to
the
mayor
and
you
know
and
was
passed
with
with
a
number
of
things
by
the
mayor
and
and
so
it's
not
unheard
of.
E
Have
staff
that
work
very
closely
with
council
members
or
elected
officials
broadly,
but
are
still
within
the
legal
confines
of
our
city
manager,
form
of
government,
and
so
this
would
be
very
comparable
to
what
we've
had
for
decades,
with
the
mayor's
secretary,
very
comparable
to
the
powers
that
the
city
clerk
has
as
an
elected
official
to
hire
and
Fire
Staff,
albeit
their
powers,
are
not
legislative
and
and
again,
this
would
be
running
through
the
current
processes
that
we
have
set
up
under
our
form
of
government.
E
The
city
manager
will
be
approving
it,
and
so
I
do
think.
The
Chicago
comparison
is
is
is
is
a
worthwhile
comparison,
particularly
based
on
what
I
believe
our
residents
expect,
and
even
our
own
history
here
in
Evanston.
A
Okay,
seeing
no
lights,
I
guess,
since
this
was
for
discussion,
do
we
need
a
motion?
That's
it!
So,
let's
move
on
any
items
for
communication
city
manager.
No,
none
all
right!
Anyone
want
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
ain't.