►
From YouTube: Rules Committee Meeting 1-19-2022
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
C
B
B
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
are
going
to
today
our
meeting.
We
will
have
an
executive
session
we're
going
to
deal
with
two
related
items
up
at
the
top,
because
we
have
guests
here
that
should
take
about
10
minutes
and
then
we
will
go
into
exec
and
I
will
also
have
a
comment.
So
we'll
start
with
public
comment,
dar
or
kelly.
Do
you
have
the
public
comment
list.
E
Thank
you
can
I
can.
I
ask
a
question
councilmember
reed
sure
I
I
think
I
told
you
before.
I
did
not
plan
for
this
meeting
as
any
of
us
did
so
I
cannot
stay
very
long.
I
would
like
to
try
to
get
through
executive
session
to
speak
up
the
personnel
matters.
Is
it
possible
to
do
that
first
and
then
the
continuation
of
the
meeting,
because
I
can't
stay,
I
have
a
heart
stop,
and
so
I
need
to
be
diligent
with
my
time
if
people
can
make
that
concession.
E
B
Yeah
we
have
a
guest
from
the
law,
firm,
elrod
freeman,
to
briefly
talk
about
updates
to
oma
for
2022.
That
should
only
take
a
few
minutes.
You
know
the
time
that
we're
spending
now
is
probably
just
as
much
time
as
we'll
be
using
that
just.
E
G
B
All
right
kelly
can
we
do
public
comment.
D
And
we'll
come
back
to
her.
Second
speaker
is
mike
fasilco.
E
H
I'm
here
so
I
had
comments
on
three
things:
r1
this
question
about
persons
on
the
reparations
committee
benefiting
from
the
funds
available
in
the
reference
reparations
fund
is,
I
don't
agree
with
that.
If,
if
there's
a
problem
with
somebody
who
was
put
on
the
committee
who
is
now
or
is
or
was
eligible
for
funds,
they
shouldn't
have
been
put
on
the
committee
there's
a
conflict
of
interest
there
shouldn't
this
would
set
a
precedent,
in
my
opinion,
for
other
committees
going
down
the
road.
H
Also
on
the
discussion
about
elected
officials
compensation.
H
I
mentioned
this
before.
As
far
as
my
opinion
goes,
council
members
and
the
mayor
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
becoming
full-time
representatives,
not
part-time,
and
unfortunately
I
don't
think
we
can
afford
to
pay
elected
officials
more
if
we're
going
to
keep
a
city
manager
type
government,
so
I
would
say
no
to
include
increasing
any
of
the
compensation
for
elected
officials
and
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
to
I.
I
read
the
memo
on
filling,
unfortunately
having
to
fill
cicely
fleming's
seat.
H
E
D
You
you
we'll
go
back
to
mary
rozinski.
G
Hi,
thank
you.
I
was
calling
to
talk
about
the
pack
and
the
foyer
review.
When
I
first
looked
at
the
agenda
before
the
weekend,
it
appeared
that
there
was
only
one
attachment
and
it
just
had
people's
names
on
it,
which
seemed
to
me
to
be
as
somewhat
awkward.
It
didn't
bother
me
my
name's
on
it
like
five
times,
because
I
do
foia
and
I'm
looking
for
transparency,
but
it
seemed
like
that
would
be
an
intimidation
to
some
people
who
did
not
want
their
name.
G
G
You
did
put
a
performance
report
on
the
agenda
item
now
and
it's
a
more
thorough
description
of
how
many
foyers
met
on
time
and
all
of
that
and
who
wasn't
how
many
were
not
met
and
all
the
different
categories
that
we
that
should
have
been
part
of
the
first
agenda
report.
But
the
reason
I'm
calling
is
if
we
are
trying
to
review
that,
because
of
are
we
being
efficient
with
the
foia
system,
I
think
they're
doing
a
really
pretty
good
job
with
it.
G
So
if
we're
going
to
track
our
foia,
let's
make
it
easy
for
the
clerk
to
get
it
by
not
arbitrarily
denying
information
that
we
know
we
have
because
legally
we
had
to
review
it
to
do
the
mou
so
just
moving
forward.
Let's
just
try
to
keep
it
more
transparent
and
quit
denying
partially
reviews
that,
then
we
have
to
go
to
pac
to
get
and
I'll
be
doing
it
again.
G
For
other
documents
that
the
friends
of
crowns
are
denying
the
city
of
evanston
records
on
financial
records
and
we
have
a
relationship
with
the
friends
of
crown
and
that
building
is
costing
us
five
million
dollars
a
year.
I
think
everything's
completely
transparent.
So
let's
work
on
it.
So
thanks
appreciate
your
time.
D
Yes,
our
final
speaker
looks
like
ray
friedman.
B
I
I
Hello,
sorry-
and
this
is
ray
friedman-
second
ward.
First,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
mary
and
thank
you
to
mike
for
your
comments.
I
agree
with
both
of
you
and
so
my
questions,
I'll
I'll
turn
to
a
different
subject.
I
So
on
r5,
I'm
talking
about
the
open
meetings
act.
My
question
is,
I
guess:
what
is
the
rules
for
the
open
meetings
act?
My
opinion
is
we
never
finished
the
tiff
hearing.
So
to
me
that
is
a
violation
of
the
open
meetings
act.
We
started
the
tiff
hearing
shouldn't
the
tit,
so
I'm
asking
this
question
for
apparently
the
people
who
work
with
elrod
friedman
and
to
clarify
shouldn't.
We
finish
that
tiff
hearing,
because
in
my
mind
it
was
never
finished.
I
We
were
cut
off
and
is
30
seconds
for
each
person.
Speaking
is
that
is
that
correct
for
for
a
hearing,
a
public
hearing,
whether
it's
tif
hearing
or
tougher
hearing
or
whatever,
allowing
people
only
to
speak
30
seconds,
I
thought
a
hearing
was
you're
talking
about
a
specific
subject
like
tiff
hearing
you're
talking
about
89
million
dollars.
I
So
are
we
supposed
to
complete
that?
That
is
a
question
for
for
mr
friedman,
okay
to
hopefully
clarify
and
also
shouldn't
it
be
a
totally
separate
hearing
if
you're
having
a
tiff
hearing
or
tougher
hearing
shouldn't
it,
be
a
separate
hearing,
not
part
of
a
city
council
meeting,
so
that
council
can
say
we
don't
have
time.
I
Really
you
don't
have
time
you're
the
ones
who
set
up
this
meeting
and
you
set
it
up
at
before
your
council
meeting.
And
then
you
tell
us,
you
only
have
30
minutes
to
speak
each
because
there's
too
many
people
who
want
to
be
involved
in
this
well,
it
was
never
finished,
and
so
I'm
very
interested
to
know
what
the
elrod
friedman
and
his
associates
have
to
say
about
the
open
meetings
act,
and
if
this
was,
if
this
was
correctly
done
or
should
it
be
finished,
then
my
opinion,
it
should
be
finished.
B
Thank
you
ray.
That
concludes.
I'm
sorry
kelly.
Does
that
conclude
public
public
comment?
Yes,
okay.
That
concludes
public
comment
and
just
because
we
have
our
guests
from
elrod
freeman
again
when
we
originally
scheduled
this
meeting,
we
weren't
going
to
have
the
executive
session
to
discuss
the
city
manager,
so
I
do
want
to
just
you
know,
use
our
time
there
and
have
them
present
on
updates
to
oma
for
2022.
K
Mr
chair
I'll
move
item
r5
for
discussion.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
who
is
here
from
elrod
freeman,
but
we
know
that
there
have
been
a
number
of
updates
to
oma
and
council.
Members
may
have
a
few
questions,
so
we
certainly
want
to
hear
those
updates,
as
this
committee
is
tasked
with
our
enforcement
currently
of
the
communities
act,.
M
Thank
you
very
much
manager,
gundersky
appreciate
it.
Members
of
the
rules
committee,
mayor
bis,
thank
you
and
corporation
council
cummings,
we're
honored
to
be
here
tonight.
Council,
council
member
reed
asked
us
to
focus
on
the
open
meetings
act
and
in
the
interest
of
time
we
have
limited
our
presentation
to
two
key
issues.
Concerning
the
open
meetings
act,
we
had
a
powerpoint
we're
gonna,
abandon
the
powerpoint.
We're
gonna
just
give
the
presentation
directly
to
you
to
help
you
with
your
agenda
and
and
be
very
sensitive
to
your
time,
concerns
you'll
recall.
M
We
were
before
you
at
least
brooke
lenimon,
and
I
appeared
before
you
in
may
and
gave
a
more
detailed
presentation
on
a
number
of
matters
concerning
municipal
law,
including
the
open
meetings
act
tonight,
we're
going
to
focus
on
remote
meetings
and
the
litigation
exception
to
the
open
meetings
act
and,
let's
jump
right
into
it.
Marcus
martinez,
marcus,
if
you
could
wave
is,
is
here
and
brooke
letterman
from
my
office.
We're
all
here
and
again.
Thank
you
for
for
having
us
here
remote.
B
Meetings,
I'd
love,
if
you
guys
can
send
us
the
powerpoint
at
some
point
as
well.
N
M
Illinois
has
had
the
ability
to
attend
meetings
remotely
for
a
number
of
years,
but
before
the
pandemic,
the
ability
to
meet
remotely
was
very
narrowly
construed
and
very
it
had
a
very
narrow
exception.
Under
illinois
law
illinois
was
one
of
the
strictest
states
in
the
country
concerning
remote
meetings.
M
In
order
to
have
a
remote
meeting,
the
public
body
had
to
have
a
written
policy
which
evanson
does
a
physical
quorum
must
be
present
at
the
meeting
location.
M
So
you
had
to
have
a
quorum
present
at
your
city
hall
and
then
the
only
way
that
any
individual
member
of
the
public
body
could
appear
remotely
was
if
they
fell
into
one
of
three
categories.
They
were
ill.
They
they
were
on
a
family
or
other
emergency
or
they
were
away
for
business
of
the
public
body.
M
No
other
reason
was
accepted
when
the
pandemic
hit
governor
pritzker
issued
a
an
emergency
order,
suspending
that
physical
presence
requirement
and
for
several
months,
and
that
was
done
in
back
in
march
of
2020,
but
for
several
months
after
march
we
all
operated,
including
evanson
under
a
basically
an
emergency
order,
exception
to
the
open
meetings
act
and
then
on
the
illinois
state
legislature
when
it
was
finally
able
to
meet
in
june
of
2020,
officially
amended
the
open
meetings
act
to
allow
for
remote
meetings,
such
as
the
one
we
are
participating
in
tonight.
M
Brooke
is
going
to
explain
to
you
what
the
elements
of
of
that
of
the
remote
mean
we're
not
going
to
go
into
detail.
You
know
them
you've
been
following
them.
I
see
that
you're
following
them.
Well,
but
she's
going
to
go
into
some
of
the
more
controversial
areas
that
that
have
come
up
in
in
the
remote
meeting
act.
Interpretation.
M
I
will
tell
you
when
the
if
and
when,
if
this
pandemic
is
ever
over,
it
is
likely
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
way
the
world
was
pre-march
of
2020..
M
There
have
been
efforts
to
bills
that
have
been
that
have
attempted
to
make
this
remote
meeting,
possibility
more
permanent
or
allow
municipalities
to
determine
if
it
wants
to.
If
it
wants
to
have
a
remote
meeting,
both
failed
rather
significantly
in
the
state
legislature,
the
the
media
and
and
and
bond
council.
They
have
both
pressured
the
state
legislature
to
oppose
any
further
amendment
that
would
make
it
more
permanent
the
the
ability
to
have
a
remote
meeting
outside
of
a
pandemic
or
other
emergency.
M
So
I
don't
see
the
likelihood
of
staying
with
this
once
please
once
when
the
this
pandemic
is
ever
over
all
right
I'll
turn
it
to
brooke
to
explain
some
of
the
controversies
that
have
existed
with
remote
meetings.
O
Thank
you
everyone,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
elements
of
what
you
need
to
do
to
comply
with
7e.
I
think
you're
all
well
aware
of
what
those
are,
but
we
didn't
think
it
would
be
useful
and
interesting
to
talk
about,
there's
three
main
sort
of
controversies
that
are
still
being
debated
even
amongst
municipal
lawyers,
and
I
thought
we
would
give
you
our
opinions
about
those
three
items.
But
there
are
real
legitimate
debate
about
these
items.
O
So,
of
course
you
want
to
speak
with
your
own
court
counsel
on
your
town's
opinion,
but
the
first
one
is:
can
you
close
city
hall
completely
under
70.?
So
can
you
have
an
entirely
remote
meeting
with
no
in-person
attendance
by
the
public
and
our
opinion
on
this
is
no
the,
and
this
is
a
hotly
contested
one,
but
seven
for
e4
says
that
meetings.
O
But
that
phrase,
including
the
issue
disaster
declaration-
we've
interpreted
that
to
mean
that
the
governor
needs
to
include
in
his
declaration
of
finding
that
in-person
meetings
are
not
feasible
and
he's
done
that
in
the
past,
which,
if
you
remember
in
past
decorations,
there
was
a
statement
or
finding
in
the
in
the
declaration
that
said,
in-person
meetings
of
more
than
10
people
were
not
feasible,
which
functionally
limited
the
size
of
public
meetings.
O
That
language
has
had
since
been
removed
from
the
current
from
past
couple
and
and
the
current
declaration.
So
it's
the
governor's
position
that
he
can
make
these
findings
and
so
that
that's
been
our
position
on
that
one.
O
The
second
controversy
is
7e2,
which
requires
the
head
of
the
public
body
to
make
a
determination
that
in-person
meetings
are
not
practical
and
prove
it.
So
that's
one
of
these
trigger
moments.
There
has
to
be
a
declaration
by
the
governor,
and
then
there
has
to
be
a
local
determination
by
the
head
of
the
public
body
that
in-person
meetings
are
not
practical
or
prudent.
O
J
J
D
O
Up
from
the
public
and
it's
a
very
small
group,
maybe
you
can't
have
a
safe
meeting
in
person.
So
there's
some
practical
aspect
to
that
as
well,
and
the
third
controversy
is
7e5,
which
requires
one
at
least
one
of
three
people
to
be
present
at
the
remote
meeting,
which
is
either
a
member
of
the
public
body.
The
chief
legal
counsel
or
the
chief
administrative
officer,
and
the
controversy
here
is
who
is
the
chief
administrative
officer?
O
Technically,
that's
the
city
manager
and
really
only
the
city
manager
is
the
chief
administrative
officer
of
the
city,
but
we
will
find
that
the
city
manager
can
delegate
that
authority
to
you
know.
O
So
those
are
the
three
main
things
that
are
still
being
vatted
around
and
discussed.
Even
at
this
point
of
remote
meetings
and.
M
So
we'll
stop
we'll
stop
there.
On
a
remote
meeting
council
member
reid
asks
us
if
there
were
any
recent
case
law
decisions
concerning
the
open
meetings
act
and
there
has
been
one
concerning
the
probable
or
imminent
litigation
exception
and
marcus
martinez
is
going
to
brief.
You
on
that.
Thank.
P
You
steve
so
to
round
out
recent
developments
and
landscape
of
open
meetings
act.
I
want
to
talk
about
the
two
cases
or
the
two
decisions
that
have
been
recently
issued:
that's
pac
opinion,
21-3
and
city
of
bloomington
versus
raoul.
That's
a
decision
out
of
the
fourth
district.
P
P
P
For
instance,
if
a
public
body
were
to
go
into
closed
session
to
discuss
setting
a
price
for
the
sale
of
real
estate,
they
wouldn't
have
to
first
make
a
finding
if
they
were
going
to
close
session
to
discuss
evidence.
That's
been
presented
in
an
open
hearing.
They
don't
have
to
find
that
the
evidence
warrants
discussion,
but
when
a
public
body
wishes
to
go
into
closed
session
to
discuss
probable
or
imminent
litigation,
they
must
first
make
a
finding
that
that
litigation
is
probable
or
imminent.
P
P
A
property
owner
wanted
to
build
a
garage,
and
he
found
out
that
the
city
had
a
sewer
main
under
that
portion
of
his
property
with
no
easement.
He
asked
to
be
placed
on
the
city
council's
agenda
to
discuss
this
and
was
denied,
because
the
mayor
responded
that
the
city
council
intended
to
discuss
it
in
closed
session.
There
was
no
need
to
discuss
it
in
open
session
now.
The
only
time
this
property
owner
brought
up
anything
remotely
threatening
litigation
was
when
he
asked
whether
he
should
bring
an
attorney
to
the
meeting
with
the
city.
P
P
If
these
efforts
would
have
failed,
and
perhaps
things
would
get
more
litigious,
but
the
possible
breakdown
of
this
joint
effort
is
not
enough
to
establish
that
litigation
was
probable
or
imminent.
Now,
similarly,
city
of
bloomington
versus
raoul,
bloomington
and
normal,
the
cities
of
bloomington
and
normal
had
an
intergovernmental
agreement
which
bloomington
wished
to
terminate
bloomington
city
council
went
into
closed
session
by
invoking
the
probable
and
imminent
litigation
exception.
P
Bloomington's
mayor
began
the
closed
session
meeting
by
asking
the
city
council
how
they
could
terminate
this
agreement.
Bloomington's
attorney
stopped
the
discussion
and
advised
the
city
council
that
they
could
not
talk
about
how
to
terminate.
However,
the
attorney
reframed
this
issue,
as
which
of
two
options,
was
more
likely
to
end
in
litigation.
P
This
is
still
a
misinterpretation
of
the
probable
or
imminent
litigation
exception.
Neither
it
city
at
that
time
had
found
suit.
I
was
clear
from
the
closed
meeting
discussion
that
avoidance
or
threat
of
litigation
was
was
the
extent
of
the
litigation
and
bloomington's
attorney
even
categorized.
The
litigation
as
plausible
plausible
is
not
probable.
It's
not
imminent,
so
even
if
that
exception
had
applied,
the
court
found
that
and
the
court
found
that
the
city
council
properly
went
into
closed
session,
because
litigation
was
probably
imminent.
P
P
So
to
put
it
simply,
these
two
decisions
confirm
and
emphasize
that
a
public
body
may
go
into
closed
session
by
invoking
the
probable
or
imminent
litigation
exception.
When
litigation
is
indeed
probable
or
imminent.
Not
when
it's
possible,
not
not
when
it's
plausible,
not
when
it's
threatened.
M
Use
very
cautiously
is
the
bottom
line,
members
of
the
city
council,
members
of
the
rules
committee.
That
is
our
abbreviated
presentation
in
in
the
interest
of
time.
If
there
is,
if,
if
there
are
any
questions,
you
can
supply
them,
I
have
sent
the
powerpoint
to
your
corporation
council
and
he
he
now
has
it
and
can
distribute
it
to
you.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the.
N
M
Should
say,
thank
you
also
for
allowing
us
to
serve
as
your
ethics
council
we
are
honored
and
and
brooke
letterman
is,
is
going
to
be
intimately
responsible
for
a
lot
of
the
work
on
that.
So
we
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
thank
you,
and
if
there
are
any
questions,
it
won't
take
more
than
two
or
three
minutes,
but
if
there
are
any
questions
now,
if
not
I'm
sure
we
can
supply
them
in
in
writing
or
just
direct
them
to
our
corporation
council.
So
I
will
allow
a
few
minutes
for
that
or
if
not,
we
will
go
directly
into
exec.
B
I
should
have
one
quick
question:
if
you
all
can
answer
this,
if
something,
if
an
item
does
not
appear
on
an
agenda,
is
it
your
interpretation
that
that
item
can
be
discussed
as
long
as
final
action
isn't
taken
on
it
at
that
meeting,.
M
B
Okay
and
and
then
lastly,
maybe
you
can
do
this
if
you
have
anything
off
the
top
of
your
head,
but
or
in
writing,
but
one
of
the
questions
I
really
had
is
what,
in
your
experience,
working
with
a
number
of
municipalities
and
advising
with
oma,
where
do
you
think
the
state
law
falls
short
and
municipality?
Could
you
know
to
live
in
the
the
spirit
of
the
law?
Take
a
few
really
important
steps
to
increasing
public
access
to
to
meetings.
M
Well,
that's
a
like
a
bar
exam
question.
I
I
I
appreciate
the
it's.
It's
an
open-ended
one,
councilmember
reed!
I
I
I
think
each
municipality
is
unique
and
different
and
has
its
own
pulse.
There
are
general
rules
of
compliance
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
what
the
illinois
open
meetings
act
does
it
sets
the
bar
many
municipalities
exceed
it.
Many
just
meet
it,
and
I
I
think
that
that's
a
policy
decision
based
on
each
municipality,
municipality.
B
Okay:
okay!
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
If
there
are
no
further
questions,
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
see.
If
there
were
hands
from
the
body,
then
we
will
move
on
in
the
interest
of
time.
Since
the
other
guest
is
our
clerk
and
our
clerk,
it
can
be
available
to
us
at
any
time.
We
will
skip
that
for
now
and
just
if
I
can
entertain
a
motion
to
move
into
executive
session
to
discuss
our
city
manager
process.
Thank
you,
mr
martinez,
miss
leonard
and
mr
elrod.
B
Newsman
you've
been
our
living
in
the
the
spirit
of
the
last
fourth,
what
alderman
our
personal
leaders
into
exact
soul.
I
rely
on
you.
I
guess.
K
I
will
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
into
executive
session
in
accordance
with
open
meetings,
act
using
the
exception
for
litigation
and
for
personnel
matters.
B
So
we're
discussing
okay,
yes,
all
those
all
right.
We
have
to
do
a
roll
call,
darling.
Q
K
Section
2c11
is
the
litigation
exception
and
I
will
wait
for.
H
Okay,
yeah
well.
B
B
And
I
do
hope
folks
will
be
able
to
stick
around
after
exactly
because
the
item
regarding
reparations
is,
you
know,
really
important
to
do
justice
for
some
of
our
ancestors
who.
Q
It's
actually
c1.
K
K
K
2
c1
c1,
so
I
will
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
into
executive
session
pursuant
to
5
ilcs
120,
slash
2
c
1
to
cover
the
topic
of
personnel.
B
Recessed
into
a
second
okay,
with
a
with
a
motion
in
a
second
from
alderman,
ravel
and
alderman,.
L
Eyes,
I
I'm
sorry,
can
you
hear
me.
B
B
The
eyes
have
it:
we
will
now
recess
into
executive
session.
The
council
members
will
be
joining
another
link
which
is
available
to
folks,
and
then
we
will
come
back
here.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
Have
a
motion
we
have
the
clerk
here
who
we
have
a
motion
for
item
r5,
so
we
can
dismiss
our
corp.
K
Mr
chair
I'll
make
a
motion
on
item
r5
for
discussion.
B
Great
is
there
a
second.
H
B
Thank
you,
quick
mendoza,
oh
well!
Let
me
first
I'm
sorry.
Let
me
first
introduce
this
at
a
rules
committee
meeting
a
few
months
ago.
We
there
was
a
proposal.
We
wanted
the
council
of
questions
about
foia
sparked
by
discussion
that
I
initiated
regarding
creating
a
foia
oma
committee
and
so
we're
just
getting
an
update.
B
The
council
has
also,
in
years
previous
asked
for
annual
updates
from
the
clerk
regarding
employees,
so
this
serves
as
both
that
annual
update
and
specifically
some
information
relating
to
questions
that
we
had
previously
relating
pac
determinations,
so
clerk
mendoza,
if
you
want
to.
R
R
I
tried
to
add
a
pretty
detailed
memo
that
I
had
sent
to
the
city
manager
in
the
packet.
I'm
not
sure
how
many
of
you
got
a
chance
to
read
that
if
you
look
at
our
foyer
request
in
the
last
eight
months-
and
I
did
separate
them
between
the
last
eight
months
that
I've
been
here
in
in
the
office
versus
you
know,
I
I
also
put
eight
months
from
before
I
was
in
the
office.
R
We
have
had
quite
an
increase
employer
request,
a
28.44
increase,
but
even
with
that
increase
and
the
same
amount
of
staff,
we've
been
able
to
lower
our
foyer
responses
to
an
average
of
five
days.
That's
our
at
least
a
medium
of
five
days
and
an
average
of
four
that
we've
been
able
to
close
those
out.
We
have
also
been
able
to
provide
unesch
request
training
for
staff
just
to
get
everybody
on
board,
we're
also
having
regular
meetings
with
all
the
foia
officers.
R
Now,
just
to
make
sure
everyone
is
everyone
who
is
a
foia
officer
for
the
city
of
evanston,
we're
all
working
cohesively
and,
and
you
know,
bouncing
off
ideas
or
ways
to
to
improve
on
the
way
that
we
serve
our
residents
and
our
staff,
because
we
also
do
quite
a
lot
of
that
here.
R
And
the
other
thing
so
and
then
also
foia
requests
have
have
had
a
12.6
percent
decrease
in
late
responses
after
the
initial
well,
not
late,
they're,
technically,
not
late,
but
they're
been
responded
to
before
the
five
extra
five
day
extension
that
we
are
provided.
You
know
other
than
that.
You
know
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
me.
I
submitted
both
of
the
reports,
so
you
can
give
a
side
by
side
comparison.
R
No,
I
I
am
part
of
a
a
message
board
for
clerks
and
I
I
more
than
happy
to
ask
them
if
they
have
information
or
data
about
their
municipalities,
one
of
the
things
from
from
attending
the
clerk's
training.
I
think
that
we
forget
that
we're
one
of
the
luckier
municipalities.
You
know
we
have
a
a
pretty
good
budget
and
the
ability
to
have
a
program
like
niche
request.
R
Most
of
the
municipalities
who
attended
that
training
with
me,
if
maybe
one
other
municipality
which
is
oak
park,
had
a
had
had
a
a
program
like
the
ones
we
have.
So
I
I'm
I
can
inquire,
but
I
think
the
response
I'm
gonna
get
is
that
a
lot
of
other
municipalities
cannot
afford
to
have
a
program
like
this.
R
B
Thank
you.
Anyone
else.
C
Yeah
sure
I
have
one
go
ahead:
I'm
just
interested
to
the
resolved
by
both
parties-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
information
is
is-
could
not
be
disclosed
or
it's
protected
in
any
way,
but
just
interested
to
know
if
it
was
resolved
and
that
the
the
city
decided
to
turn
over
the
requested
documents
or
if
the
person
that
filed
the
pack
opinion.
R
Yeah,
so
I
can
for
quite
a
few
of
this.
These
are
resolved
by
both
parties
were
actually
after
my
before
my
time
here
I
can
have
legal
step
in,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
just
in
our
office
alone.
We
have
had
situations
where
we've
resolved
issues
with
constituents
and,
as
you
know,
two
council
members
have
actually
sent
two
people
who
had
issues.
R
Usually
some
of
these
is
just
us
getting
more
clarification
on
what
the
person
is
asking
for.
You
know
sometimes
people.
Unfortunately,
you
know
they
ask
for
everything
under
the
sun
and
that's
not
necessarily
helpful,
because
we
really
you
know
we're
caught
in
an
area
where
we
really
don't.
R
We
don't
know
what
the
person
wants.
So
it's
just
people
clarifying
what
they
need
and
talking
to
us
us
providing
more
customer
service,
which
was
what
I
would
call
it
with
the
individual
and
making
sure
we
we
make
them
feel
good
about
the
service.
We're
trying
to
provide
to
them
and
alex,
if
you
have
anything
to
add
of
some
of
these
are
actually
from
before
I
was
here,
2019
and
2020.
C
Real
quick
just
so
I
can
say
one
quick
thing:
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
response
from
everyone
kind
of
applies
directly
to
my
questions
so,
and
I
appreciate
the
customer
service.
You're
doing
you
know
just
so,
for
the
you
know,
you
know
for
community
members
who
haven't
been
around.
I
was
a
performance
from
deputy
city
clerk
and
worked
a
lot
on
foia
and
the
customer
service
side
of
it,
at
least
where,
when
we
were
there
in
the
office,
was
kind
of
on
the
front
end.
C
So
if
we,
you
know,
we
kind
of
use
that
initial
process
to
try
to
narrow
the
scope
of
the
request
and
that
had
a
lot
of
that
happened
with
back
and
forth
communication
in
next
request
to
say:
hey,
look,
you
know
what
you're
submitting
is
on
duty
burdensome,
and
so
we
need
you
to
narrow
your
requests
and
then
a
piece
of
back
and
forth.
C
Maybe
we
schedule
a
phone
call
where
we
can
work
that
out,
but
these
in
particular-
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear-
these
in
particular
is
like
when
someone
I
would
assume.
N
C
All
of
that
has
happened,
has
took
place
and
then
they're
still
saying
hey.
No,
you
know,
I
think
you
know
I
that
that
this
is
a
disposable
public
record
and
the
city
is
saying:
hey,
no
we're
you
know
we're
not
going
to
release
it,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that,
and
so
it's
important
for
me
to
know
again
is
this
the
city
saying
ultimately,
okay.
C
B
Yeah
and
and
that's
where
I
can
jump
in
and
answer
because
those
I'm
looking
at
them-
and
these
are
a
number
of
the
ones
I
mean
they're,
all
from
my
time,
if
they
weren't
from
clark
mendoza,
I'm
there
for
my
time
and
looking
at
them,
I
can
see
that
these
were
at
least
the
vast
majority
of
the
ones
that
say
resolved
between
parties,
if
not
all
of
them
are
cases
where
the
city
in
fact
turned
over
records
in
response
that
had
previously
now
been
turned
over.
B
I'm
looking
at
I'll
use
this
for
in,
for
example,
because
his
member
of
the
media
jonah
meadows,
who
has
a
number
of
pac
appeals
here
and
those
records
were
later
turned
over,
as
well
as
others
from
residents
that
I'm
familiar
with.
C
So
I
guess
for
the
ones-
and
it
is
so
2021
are
the
new
ones
when
you
or
is
it
2020
and
2021,
but
I
guess
the
new
one
since
clerk
windows
and
since
you've
been
in
office
are
those
do
you
know
what
those
are
are
we
turning
over
records
after
the
pack
opinion
is
filed,
or
what
terms
of
the
reason
was?
What
do
you
think
is
how
those.
R
The
2021
ones,
I
believe
those
are
also
an
alex
before
my
time,
for
these
two
and
those
are
just
pending
with
with
pac.
I
believe.
B
Yes,
I
believe
josh
irvine
was
also
before
clark
mendoza,
I
can't
say
for
sure
about
which
mary
ruzinski
issue
this
was
but
yeah.
That
sounds
about
right,
so
it
seems
all
of
the
pack
appeals
have
been
filed
prior
to
fairfield
this
time.
C
So
that
would
be
important
and
then
also
just
information
on,
so
somebody
can
file
a
request
with
the
with
the
public.
C
Also
can
consume
in
circuit
court,
so
I
also
just
love
a
report
on
that.
How
many
people
have
you
know,
sued
the
city
and
what
has
been
the
results
of
those
litigations
and
I
might
have
some
other
questions
but
I'll
hold
for
now.
Q
Councilmember
burns,
I
believe,
alex
brogan,
is
here.
Department
probably
can
answer
those
questions
for
you
now,
if
you'd
like,
unless
you
want
something
specifically
in
writing,
the
number
of
foia
related
cases
is
not
a
lot,
so
I'm
sure
she
probably
educate
the
committee
on
that
pretty
quickly.
B
Sure
alex,
if
you
want
to
answer
the
question
regarding
the
number
of
lawsuits
that
are
open,
I
have
to
hear
that
from
you.
N
Sure
to
read
members
of
the
rules
can
a
alex
run,
the
assistant
city
attorney.
I
believe
we
have
one
pending
for
a
lawsuit.
It
was
filed
by
mary,
rozinski
and
councilman
berkeley.
N
Regarding
a
robert
brown
foia
from
a
couple
years
ago,
there
was
the
pac
appeal.
The
city
has
since
been
attempting
to
turn
over
documents
and
and
that
litigation
is
pending.
Prior
to
that,
we've
had
a
lawsuit
for
a
lawsuit
filed
by
councilmember
burns.
That's
been
settled
and
closed.
The
city
did
turn
over
those
documents.
N
We
also
had
a
lawsuit
recently
that
was
filed
regarding
the
reparations
committee
and
that
was
dismissed
voluntarily
by
the
they
knows
in
that
case,
so
other
than
that
we
don't
have
any
other
law
offices.
B
Thank
you
and
that
it
was
within
the
last
few
years.
Thank
you
for
that.
That
does
leave
me,
so
the
information
regarding
lawsuits
was
included
here
and
it
seems
as
though
at
least
one
case
that
you
mentioned.
There
were
two
cases,
maybe
where
the
pac
gave
in
a
determination
that
the
record
should
be
disclosed,
but
they
still
seemingly
weren't,
evidenced
by
the
fact
that
a
lawsuit
was
filed.
B
Do
you
know,
can
you
answer
why
you
know
there's
the
extra
step
needed.
N
The
city
was
preparing
to
turn
over
those
documents
and
the
lawsuit
was
just
filed
before
we
were
able
to
turn
them
over.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
then,
as
I'm
reviewing
a
number,
so
it's
important
to
know
that
the
resolve
between
parties
typically
means
that
that
the
pac
office
has
determined
that
at
least
some
part
of
the
request
should
be
fulfilled.
B
And
then,
when
I
look
at
closed
pack,
I'm
sorry,
let's
see-
and
I
look
at
the
number
for
close
beyond
statutory
time
for
appeals.
There
are
a
number
that
were
closed
or
that
were.
B
Determined
in
the
city's
favor
by
technicality
only
because
the
statutory
appeal
time
had
expired,
which
is
60
days,
which
was
you
know.
This
is
a
number
of
cases
where
that
has
happened
as
well
as
the
again
resolve
between
two
parties
as
well
as
there
are
a
number
of
cases
over
the
last
few
years
where
you
know
folks
have
been,
you
know,
their
pack
opinion
has
been
issued
and,
of
course
I
hear
that
there
is
a
delay
in
response
and
getting
the
records
to
folks,
and
that's
that's
a
thing.
B
Well,
really
for
2021
sorry.
B
Foia
for
your
request
and
I'm
sorry
councilman.
If
you
have
questions
please,
you
know
often
as
well.
R
Can
you
give
me
that
one
minute
I
can
actually
give
you
that
number
I'm
logged
in
now.
B
Okay
and
then
I'm
also
thinking
part
of
what
the
request
was
to
get
an
understanding
of
the
most
common
denials
that
that
are
issued
here.
So
I'd
also
like
information
at
some
point
on
that
as
well
councilman
kelly
did
you
have
any
questions
and
then
we
can
wrap
up
this
portion
of
the
conversation
pretty
soon.
No.
R
H
B
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
it
seems
that
foia
requests
have
continued
the
pattern
of
increasing
year
over
year,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
It
means
that
more
folks
are
involved
in
in
our
democracy.
It's
a
it's
a
good
metric
of
community
involvement
and
I'm
glad
cork
mendoza.
You
have
been
able
to
make
some
strides
and
reducing
response
time
so
kudos
to
you
on
that
and
with
that,
this
report
will
be
filed
with
the
rules
committee,
and
I
appreciate
the
update
well
one.
B
I
guess
I
always
like
to
ask
on
issues
of
both
foia
and
oma.
Are
there
any
suggestions
that
you
have
to
improve
internally?
The
foia
system.
R
Well,
I
feel
right
now
we're
doing
what
I
think
is
needed,
which
is
providing
more
training
to
staff
on
how
to
use
our
next
request
system.
When
I
first
started,
we
were
providing
a
lot
of
just
general
help
with
next
request,
like
the
using
the
platform
and
and
just
I
feel
like
the
check-ins,
with
the
other
foia
officers
has
helped
and
check-ins
with
with
everyone.
I
I
do
want
to
ask
the
council
if
you
know
just
to
improve
the
way
we
receive
foias
and
get
foias.
R
They
can,
you
know,
do
it
via
next
request
and
just
having
that
and
and
just
kind
of,
not
that
I
want
counsel
to
be
removed
from
it,
but
I
just
want
you,
as
council
members,
to
also
respect
the
process
and
and
tell
someone
if
they
do
want
to
request
records
that
they
do
it
directly
through
our
foia
are
through
foia.
That's
why
the
that's?
Why
it's
there
for
it's
for
them.
R
I
think
informing
people
that
that's
an
avenue
that
they
have
instead
of
you,
know,
emailing
me
or
calling
me
or,
or
anything
like
that,
is
it's
honestly
easier
for
the
person
because
they
know
they
have
to
deal
with
our
office
and
it's
easier
for
for
us
to
be
able
to
track
that
that
person
is
served
in
a
timely
matter
manner
and
in
the
way
that
they
deserve.
I
it
did
take
us,
for
example,
for
one
resident
who
we
received
an
inquiry
via
a
council
member.
R
I
personally
did
not
know
that
the
inquiry
was
for
a
resident
and
not
the
council
member.
So
I
was
going
back
and
forth
with
the
council
member
instead
of
the
resident
and
the
council
member
took
three
four
five
days
to
respond
to
me
and
then
so
that
foia
request
ended
up
being
fulfilled
between.
I
believe
like
three
four
weeks
later,
because
I
you
know,
I
couldn't
get
a
response
from
the
council
member
and
that
person
could
have
been
served
within
the
10
days
within
the
10-day
period
or
even
maybe
the
5-day
period.
R
If
I
would
have
known
if
I
could
have
just
communicated
with
that
person.
I
understand
everyone
here
has
jobs
and
you
guys
have
other
responsibilities.
You
know
we're
I'm
in
this
office
all
week.
You
know
we
have
someone
in
here
already.
You
know
utilize
our
office
and
the
way
that
it
should
be
utilized.
You
know,
send
people
directly
to
us
and
that
will
help
us
us,
as
you
know
me
as
the
city
clerk
and
you
as
council
members
serve
our
residents
in
the
way
that
they
they
deserve.
R
So
just
promote
our
process.
I
think
we,
I
think
you
know
people
are
using
the
foia
next
request
and
the
process
to
get
their
documents,
but
I
would
appreciate
if,
if
you
also
promote
that
process
and
other
than
that,
if
no
one
has
any
other
questions,
I
will
pop
off
I'm
still
at
the
civic
center.
So
yes,
thank
you
again.
C
To
reiterate,
and
just
seeing
again,
I'm
just
getting
more
information
on
the
resolve
between
parties
and
then-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
law
office
or
a
clerk's
effort,
but
maybe
as
part
of
those
meetings
which
which
are
great,
I'm
glad
you're
you're,
coming
together
with
the
with
the
other
40
officers,
but
including
some
of
the
public,
the
the
previous
pack
opinions
as
part
of
those
discussions.
C
Just
so
folks
are
familiarizing
themselves
with
what
you
know
what
opinion
was
of
the
public
counselor,
so
we
could
see
less
and
less
of
these
four
years
going.
There.
M
R
Yeah
and
I
can
meet
with
alex
and
we
can
come
up
with
a
with
a
way
to
either
post
those
or
make
them
public
or
have
them
where
they're
accessible
for
people
and
alex,
and
I
have
also
discussed
maybe
doing
trainings
even
with
the
community,
letting
them
know
how
they
can.
You
know
help
us
help
them
and-
and
you
know
at
the
same
time
the
other
way
around,
because
sometimes
we
are
trying
to
track
people
down
when
they
submit
forward
requests,
and
that
makes
the
process
very
hard.
N
It's
honestly,
I
do
believe
that
customer
service
starts
at
the
front
end
when
you
communicate
with
people,
but
sometimes
people
don't
do
that
employer
requests
and
we
were
seeing
that
happen
and
the
pack
appeals
coming
in
and
then
when
we
just
sat
down
and
talked
to
the
requester,
that's
when
the
city
was
able
to
better
understand
and
communicate
with
them
the
request
and
able
to
fulfill
the
requests
in
the
satisfactory
matter
and
then
that's
how
those
were
closed
but
resolved
between
parties.
Normally,
the
only
way
the
pac
is
involved.
N
Is
they
let
us
know,
and
then
we
let
the
pack
know.
Yes,
we've
resolved
it.
The
person
that
appeals
to
the
pack
confirms.
Yes,
it's
been
resolved
and
then
the
pac
closes
it.
So
it
truly
is
just
a
communication
between
parties
to
where
we're
both
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
on
the
documents
and
I'd,
say
99
of
the
time
it
was
just
a
miscommunication.
B
Yeah,
I
would
slightly
disagree
with
that
just
to
99
of
the
time
only
because
I
I
looking
at
this
list,
I've
seen
a
number
that
have
to
do
with
where
there's
just
a
difference
of
opinion,
which
is
fine,
because
some
of
this
stuff
was
you
know,
some
of
the
stuff
was
great,
but
there
are
a
number
of
issues
where
it
was
a
difference
of
opinion
and
the
pack
office
or
others
have
chimed
in,
and
the
opinion
has
changed.
So
thank
you
very
much.
C
C
Right
exactly
just
I
was
gonna,
you
know
go
through
them,
but
just
for
to
keep
it
short,
yeah,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
you
know.
C
Areas
of
that
are
it's
very
clear
that
the
city,
at
least
in
the
past,
can
strengthen
the
way
it
it
handles
this,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
know
what
is
what
is
really
happening
with
resolve
and
swing
parties,
and
then
also,
I
want
to
clarify
that
in
those
meetings,
those
huddles,
I'm
actually
saying,
I
think
the
fourier
officers
should
go
over
the
packet
page.
So
that's
not
a
something
the
community
needs
to
understand.
C
R
You
councilmember
burns
for
the
feedback
and
you
know
I
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
that
a
lot
of
you
know
in
my
time,
the
last
few
months
that
I've
been
here.
I
we
really
have
not
received
anything,
and
then
I've
also
made
a
made
it
an
effort
to
contact
pac.
R
If
I,
even
if
I
have
clarifying
questions
and
I
try
to
work
very
closely
with
everyone
all
of
our
foia
officers,
to
make
sure
we're
actively
fulfilling
requests
and
talking
to
community
members
as
well
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that,
you
know
I'm
not
gonna,
say
it's
perfect
or
it's
gonna
be
perfect,
but
I
really
do
believe
in
in
high
quality
customer
service
not
only
to
our
residents
but
also
internally,
because
when
we're
helping
staff
fulfill
foia
requests,
we're
we're
also
making
sure
that
there's
there's
a
good
communication
on
both
sides.
R
All
communications
now
and
it
is
in
my
memo-
is
coming
through
our
office.
So
if
anybody
has
any
questions
about
their
foia
request
or
any
anything
regarding
their
request,
all
those
questions
are
directed
to
us.
So
we
know,
what's
going
on
they're
no
longer
directed
to
staff,
because
what
we
were
finding
is
that
our
emails,
you
know
just
get
lost
or
or
you
know,
full
phone
calls
are
not
answered.
R
B
Thank
you,
and
I
I
will
also
just
add
one
thing
that
my
clerk's
office
did
and
I
think
is
really
helpful
for
residents
is.
We
would
often
recommend
to
residents
to
go
to
the
back
office
if
there
was
an
appeal,
and
so
I
mean
I
think
I
would
look
at
most
of
the
residents.
There
were
folks
that
we
recommended
go
to
the
pack
to
have
have
further
discussion
on
these
items
and
then,
lastly
I'll
say
thank
you
clerk
mendoza.
B
You
know
I
brought
this
discussion
here
for
this
update
one.
The
council
previous
council
asked
for
this
update
to
appear
at
rules
on
a
on
an
annual
basis,
but
also
you
know
it
is
the
the
city
council.
B
The
rules
committee
is
the
public
body
and
ultimately
we
are
responsible
for
foia
here
in
our
city,
and
so
it's
just
important
that
we
stay
on
top
of
this
and
we
ensure
that
as
the
public
body
that
appoints
the
fourier
officers
that
work
on
our
behalf,
that
we
are
we're
making,
I'm
sure
everything
is
done
correctly.
Okay,
thank
you.
We
will
try
to
move
through
this
agenda
fairly
quickly.
B
Now
we
have
a
motion
for
item
r1,
adoption
of
ordnance,
nine
zero;
I'm
sorry,
nine,
oh
22
committing
title
to
chapter
17
of
evanston
city
code
to
allow
for
members
of
the
reparations
committee
to
receive
benefits
from
the
reparations
fund,
so
the
second
moved
by
alderman
councilmember
byrne.
Second,
by
council
member
nusma.
B
I
will
open
this
up,
maybe
to
nick
to
give
a
quick
one
or
two
minute
just
explanation.
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward,
but.
Q
Good
evening,
councilmember
reid
members
of
the
rules
committee
nicholas
cummings
corruption,
council.
Q
This
ordinance
was
something
that
staff
had
been
sort
of
kicking
around
with
the
previous
subcommittee
and
then
now
when
the
committee
became
permanent,
or
I
should
say
the
transition
between
the
the
subcommittee
to
the
new
committee,
where
we
were
now
introducing
members
from
the
community
to
be
a
part
of
the
committee.
How?
Q
If
there
were
members
on
the
committee
that
served
on
members
of
the
community
that
served
on
the
committee
that
could
potentially
be
eligible,
that
they
needed
a
way
to
actually
be
able
to
to
take
part
in
the
benefit,
because,
right
now
it
would
potentially
be
a
conflict
of
interest
for
them
to
receive
the
benefit.
Q
Q
But
I
just
you
know,
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
clear
that
in
case
someone
who
was
eligible
didn't
receive
the
benefit,
there
would
not
be
any
sort
of
ambiguity
as
to
whether
it
was
an
inappropriate
gift
to
receive
for
someone
who
would
be
qualified
as
like
an
ancestor
like
one
of
the
members
of
the
committee
currently
is,
or
as
a
as
a
descendant
as
a
couple.
Other
members
of
the
committee
are.
I
B
S
Yeah,
no,
I
just
want
to
thank
our
staff
nick
for
for
working
on
this.
There
are
three
of
us
that
serve
on
the
committee
and
the
member
you're
referring
to
is
carlos
sutton,
and
I
would
just
say
I
don't
know
if
mr
sutton
is
on
the
line.
S
The
value
that
he
brings
is
ancestor
has
truly
been
appreciated
on
the
the
committee
he
is.
He
is
wise
in
his
words
and
he
does
bring
a
high
level
of
legitimacy
legitimacy
to
the
work
that
he
does,
because
he
he
brings
that
senior
perspective,
so
I
would
hate
because
of
the
color
of
his
skin
and
in
any
other
reasons
that
we
would,
you
know,
based
on
our
rules,
create
a
barrier
for
him
to
take
place.
S
So
thank
you,
nick
in
your
department
for
for
crafting
this
and
I'm
hoping
that
this
will
pass
unanimously
through
our
rules
committee.
Thank
you,
council,
member.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
actually
just
have
one
question.
I
am
I'm
fully
supportive
of
this.
I
I
think
again,
given
the
specific
thing
here
you
know,
given
that
it's
reparations
and,
of
course
you
want
people
who
are
affected
to
serve
on
the
reparations
committee.
You
know
that
would
exclude
almost
every
just
about
every
black
person
in
the
city
from
serving
on
the
committee
or
they
have
to
forego
you
know
being
repaired.
B
I
I
do
wonder
if-
and
this
is
for
maybe
a
separate
time,
but
just
to
ensure
that
state
law
would
not
prohibit
you
know
an
ancestor
who
serves
on
the
committee
receiving
so
I'm
happy
to
update
our
local
code,
but
just
to
double
check
to
make
sure
we're
not
putting
anyone
in
trouble
with
state
law,
because
I
have
a
bit
of
apprehension
about
that.
But.
Q
I
definitely
it's
an
excellent
question
or
excellent
point:
councilman
reid.
Generally
speaking,
the
state
law
applies
to
those
of
us
who
are
officers
of
the
city
or
elected
officials,
but
I
will
definitely
look
into
it
for
those
who
serve
on
boards
commissions
and
committees
and
municipalities
to
see
if
those
state
laws
apply
to
them.
Generally
speaking,
our
ethics
ordinance
when
it
comes
to
benefits
and
gifts
tracks
the
state
code,
but
I
will
double
check
and
make
sure
that's
not
not
an
issue.
B
Okay,
thank
you
with
that.
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
and
I
don't
apologize.
Oh
my
apologies.
I
did
not
see
the
hands
councilmember
kelly.
I
think
that's.
It.
J
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
isn't
any
other
sort
of
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
with
this.
Of
course
you
know
peter
your
words,
I
mean
I
agree,
but
I
mean
just
the
format
and
the
structure
of
this
makes
me
uncomfortable.
Is
there
any
way
that
this
can
be
modified
to
such
an
extent
sort
of
going
forward?
So
when
people
join
this
committee,
that
that's
not
that
this
isn't
the
case
going
forward
that
you
join
and
you're
a
recipient
of
you
know
such
an
award.
J
I
just
I
think
you
know
the
the
whole
reparations
process
has
been
very
exciting
and
I
can
understand
how
this
was
not
really
thought
out
at
the
beginning,
and
so
now
here
we
are,
and
we
don't
want
to
preclude
you
know
like
mr
sutton,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
not
some
way
to
do
this,
so
that.
Q
Q
I'm
definitely
open
for
suggestions
on
how
another
way
to
make
this
happen,
but
to
councilmember
reed's
point
you
kind
of
want
people
who
are
affected
in
the
community
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
committee
and
right
now,
the
alternative.
Is
they
just
can't
vote
on
the
actual
to
recommend
the
award
right?
Q
They
would
have
to
recuse
themselves
from
any
vote
to
send
the
city
council
to
approve
the
payment
similar
to
you
know,
council
members
suffered
in
recusing
himself
when
the
amazon
stuff
comes
up
or
council
member
nuzuma
recusing
himself
when
gallagher
bassett
comes
up,
so
I
mean
that's
how
it
would
have
to
work
now.
You
know,
and
the
problem
is
the
way
that
it's
structured
in
a
way
that
the
committee
has
designed
it.
We
don't
know
who
gets
an
award
just
yet
so
they
could
vote
to
say
these
are
they
could?
Q
The
next
meeting,
I
believe,
is
thursday,
the
third
or
second
or
third
of
february.
The
committee
could
vote
to
say
these
are
the
16
people
that
were
drawn.
We
need
to
send
us
the
city
council,
to
approve
payment.
We
still
know
that
is,
and
it
could
include
mr
sutton,
for
example,
and
he
voted
on
it
and
he
probably
shouldn't,
but
we
don't
know
who's
who's
an
awardee.
Q
So
I'm
open
to
suggestions
on
how
to
make
this
make
this
better,
but
this
was
the
first
instance
was
to
say
this
award
is
not
a
gift
under
the
ethics
code
period
like
they
should
be
able
to
participate
and
it
not
be
considered
a
gift
and
not
considered.
You
know
a
conflict
of
their
duties
as
on
the
committee,
because
we
want
people
who
are
actually
impacted
or
have
been
impacted,
have
some
input
on
how
this
pro,
how
this
money
should
be
spent
serving
on
the
committee
right,
but
I'm
open
to
suggestions.
Q
This
is
not
like.
This
is
the
only
avenue
it's
just.
This
was
what
we
came
up.
We
actually
came
up
with
this
last
spring,
but
we
were
focused
on
actually
trying
to
fashion
the
program,
and
so
this
ordinance
did
not
get
get
passed
and
once
the
committee
got
to
the
point
where
they
were
ready
to
give
awards,
I
said:
wait
a
minute.
We
still
need
to
do
this.
J
Okay
right
now,
I
can
see
that
it's
complicated
to
to
make,
like
you
say,
to
have
that
part
that
important
participation
of
those
that
would
be
recipients
having
a
voice
on
the
committee.
So
I
understand
the
dilemma.
B
C
And-
and
I
I
just
want
to
tell
this
to
the
point
that
it
is
it's
fundamental
like
it
is-
some
would
argue
that
even
the
way
the
the
committee
is
ranged
now
isn't
perfect
in
that
I'm
not
sure
if
every
member
would
be
considered
an
ancestor
or
or
a
descendant,
because
I
think
at
least
one
member
may
not
be,
but
it's
fundamental,
it's
important
that
it's
necessary.
It's
important.
C
I
think
one
thing
that's
different
also
is
that
the
selection
process
is
not
done
by
the
committees.
So
far,
it's
been
a
random
process.
Selection
process
that
the
committee-
you
know
you
know
yeah.
The
committee
did
not
select
the
individual
recipients
and
I'm
not
even
quite
sure
that
the
committee
has
to
officially
approve
the
recipients,
because
the
process
does
that,
so
we
might
need
to
give
some
general
direction,
but
I
would
council
comments
if
you
can
look
into
that,
I'm
I.
I
don't
think
the
committee
has
to
officially
approve
what
happened
at
fleetwood.
C
I
think
that
could
really
just
go
straight
to
council
and
so
I'd
like
some
some
feedback
on
that,
whether
or
not
that's
the
case.
B
Regardless
of
that
fact,
you
know
the
gift
ban
and
the
ethics,
you
know
our
internal
ethics
code
would
still
need
to
be
addressed,
and
so
I
think
this
does
that
sorry,
that's.
Q
Fine
and
I
think
councilmember
can
address
the
the
random
choice.
I
think
I
think
it
was
done
that
way,
primarily
because
we
have
more
people
who
are
eligible
than
funding
available,
so
us
to
be
fair
and
who
we
actually
provide
benefits
to.
It
was
done
as
a
random
process
instead
of
like
this
committee
screening
and
actually
voting
to
pick
people.
B
And
if
I,
if
I
may,
in
the
interest
of
time,
I
I
think
there
seems
to
be
consensus
around
this
and
I
think
those
questions,
maybe
don't
or
those
answers
wouldn't
get
at
the
heart
of
what
councilmember
kelly's
concern
is,
and
you
know,
democratic
rulers.
We
don't
need
everyone
to
agree,
so
I
I
would
really
entertain
just
so.
We
can
get
done
with
the
meeting
moving
forward
with
this.
If
everyone
is
okay
with
that
and.
B
B
Okay,
what's
that
is
derek
still
here,
or
will
I
just
I'll
just
call
the
role
I
start?
Hopefully
it
was
home
council,
member
kelly,
aye
council
member
braithwaite,
hi
consumer
newsman
hi.
I
filled
my
quick
days
again.
I
council,
member,
I'm
sorry.
I
mentioned
it
burns
and,
I
meant
to
say
burns
right,
council
member
suffering
is
he
here,
okay,
council,
member
rival.
F
B
Council,
myself,
guy
and
then
mayor
bis,
hey,
okay,
will
the
eyes
have
it?
I
want
to
quickly
move
through
the
agenda.
The
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
r2,
which
is,
I
don't
think
we
have
to
have
a
big
discussion
about
this.
We
discussed
at
the
last
meeting.
This
is
just
that
the
mayor
would
announce
a
veto
after
a
veto
was
issued.
I
think
we
all
there's
a
consensus
around
that
and
that's
why
it's
on
the
agenda.
B
So
may
I
have
a
motion
for
item
r2.
B
I
will
second
that
okay,
is
there
any
discussion.
Q
B
Q
Q
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
it
should.
We
should
update
the
code
as
well.
So
it's
clear
to
wherever
the
next
mayor
is
what
their
responsibilities
are,
not
just
in
the
rules,
but
that
can
be
done
at
a
later
time.
I
think
the
rules
is
the
first
place.
So
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
I
will
call
the
roll
councilmember
kelly.
Thank
you,
council
member
braithwaite,
hi
councilmember,
nissman
aye
councilmember
burns
aye
council
member
ravel.
F
B
Councilmember
reed
aye,
councilman
and
then
mayor
best,
hi,
okay
and
then
moving
very
expeditiously
through
the
agenda
is
item
r3
a
discussion
regarding
compensation
for
council
members.
Is
there
a
motion
on
that.
C
Yeah,
I
think
it's
just
that
so
yeah
motion
to
discuss
conversation
for
elected
officials.
B
J
B
I
will
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
have
this
placed
on
the
next
rules
committee
agenda,
and
so
if
there
is
a
motion
to
do
that,
to
move
there.
B
I
will
not
be
chair
at
the
time,
so
I
think
it's
best
that
there's
an
official
committee
action,
so
it
will
based
on
the
agenda.
C
Understood
yeah,
I
moved
to
place
r3
discussing
discussion
regarding
elected
officials,
compensation
to
the
next
rules
committee
meeting
on.
B
Okay,
we'll
move
that
to
the
next
agenda,
although
or
we'll
do
a
roll
call
here
as
well:
councilmember
kelly
hi,
council
member
braithwaite,
no
councilmember
mismo,
no
council
member
burns
council
member
now
I'm
blanking
council
member.
K
B
All
right
and
then
finally,
item
r6
discussion
regarding
filling
vacancies
of
elected
of
elected
office.
L
B
Thank
you,
let's
go
second,
I
will
second
moved
by
mayor
best
seconded
by
councilmember
nussma.
I
will
introduce
this
so
I
requested
that
this
be
on
the
agenda.
I
think
you
know
state
law
is,
I
don't
want
to
say
clear,
but
the
state
law
exists
on
this
issue.
This
is
somewhat
clear.
B
I
think
at
this
point
you
know
we
can
have
council
cummins
give
any
any
updates
that
he
wants
to
give,
but
I
think
state
law
is
fairly
clear
on
what
has
to
be
done,
but
I
think
beyond
state
law,
there
is
our
own
city
practices
and
how
we
fill
vacancies,
and
so
first,
if
we
just
wanna
I'll
turn
over
to
mayor
biss
or
council
cummings,
but
if
we
first
just
wanna
lay
out
well
what
the
state
law
mandate
mandated
process,
which
I
think
is
fairly
straightforward
and
then
you
know
a
little
layer
deeper
than
that.
B
What
mayor
bis
with
your
intention
is
within
that
framework
fulfilling
particularly,
we
have
a
vacancy
for
the
ninth
ward,
but
I
think
we
should
begin
looking
at
a
policy
for
filling
vacancies
overall
in
elected
office
and
so
council
cummins.
Do
you
just
want
to
first
briefly
walk
through
state
law?
I
think
you
can
maybe
do
that
in
a
minute
or
two.
G
Q
As
clear
as
illinois,
state
law
can
be
with
respect
to
filling
of
vacancies
with
respect
to
resignation.
There
are
two
different
types
of
vacancies:
there
can
be
abandonment
of
office
and
and
resignation.
There
are
two
types
of
resignation
which
is
unconditional
and
conditional.
Q
Both
of
them
require
notice,
sort
of
in
writing,
and
then
it
triggers
all
of
the
provisions
in
state
law
where,
wherein
the
mayor,
at
least
in
the
city
of
evanston,
would
be.
The
mayor
sometimes
would
be
the
village
president
or
border
trust
trustees,
but
it'll
be
that
exactly
the
chief
executive
official
would
be
charged
with
appointing
someone
to
fill
that
vacancy.
Q
This
same
goes
for
if
clerk
mendoza
for
some
reason
decided
to
resign,
the
mayor
would
have
to
pick
a
new
clerk,
and
then
the
city
council
and
the
question
came
up
during
public
comment.
Who
were
the
corporate
authorities?
The
city
council
would
then
have
to
confirm
sort
of
this
person
that
was
appointed
by
the
mayor.
Q
If
that
person
does
not
receive
a
majority
vote,
the
mayor
has
to
pick
again
and
if
that
second
person
doesn't
get
a
majority
vote,
the
mayor
just
picks
one
of
those
two
until
city
council
can
agree
on
who
is
actually
qualified
to
fill
the
position.
Q
It
is
my
assumption
that
the
mayor
would
probably
meet
with
the
members
of
city
council
to
see
if
they,
if
the
mayor
would
have
the
votes
before
appointing
someone.
So
we
probably
wouldn't
see
the
the
where
we
would
have
like
three
rounds
of
trying
to
confirm
someone,
but
the
mayor
is
the
person
who
actually
gets
to
pick
the
the
person
who
fills
the
seat.
The
mayor
has
to
pick
that
person
based
on
qualifications
outlined
in
state
law.
They
have
to
be
a
resident
of
the
city
for
at
least
a
year.
Q
They
have
to
be
a
resident
of
the
ward
for
at
least
a
year,
but
they
can't
be
in
debt
to
the
city
and
those
are
basically
the
three
things.
Those
are
very
similar
to
what
city
code
requires
you
to
be
to
be
an
elected
alderman.
Q
I
think
our
city
code
also
requires
you
not
to
have
a
felony
or
something
of
that
nature
in
your
background,
but
state
law
only
requires
sort
of
those
three
things
and
they
and
the
city
council
has
to
approve
that
person
within
30
days
of
the
appointment.
Q
Q
If
the
city
council
does
not
approve
one
of
the
two
people
that
was
presented,
the
person
would
continue
to
serve
until
city
council
actually
does
sort
of
approve
them
under
a
state
code,
because
if
there
is
a
resignation,
that's
effective
at
least
130
days
before
the
next
general
municipal
election,
scheduled
under
general
election
law,
and
that
there
are
at
least
28
months
left
in
a
term
there
will
be
a
there
will
be
an
election
for
the
vacancy
at
the
next
general
municipal
election,
as
outlined
by
state
law.
Q
Evanston's
municipal
election
is
not
until
2025,
however,
state
law
does
have
a
municipal
election
scheduled
every
two
years,
so
there
is
a
municipal
election
in
2023.
Q
Q
2022
is
a
little
off
because
we
don't
have
a
primary
until
like
june
or
something
like
that.
But
you
know
the
petition
schedule
will
probably
start
in
the
fall
of
2022
and
then
we'll
actually
have
a
primary
and
february
and
election
in
march.
So
that's
that's
it
when
it
comes
to
state
law
or
march
or
april.
B
Yes
february
april,
thank
you,
council,
cummings
mayor
chris.
L
Yeah,
I
just
just
want
to
highlight
a
couple:
there's
some
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
odd
stuff
there.
So
this
will
be
the
only.
This
will
be
the
only
municipal
election
that
occurs.
L
The
only
city
of
evanston
election
occurs
in
2023,
so
it'll
be
there'll,
be
stuff
going
on,
there's
going
to
be
a
school
board
election
but
as
you'll
recall
those
never
trigger
february
primaries,
whereas
municipal
elections
do,
and
so.
If
the
2023
field
has
enough
candidates
to
trigger
a
primary,
then
god
help
us
all.
There's
going
to
be
a
ninth
ward,
only
february
primary
for
that
council
race
in
2023
because
of
the
primary
it
means
the
folks
running
in
this
race,
as
you'll
recall,
have
different
slightly
different
petition
schedules
than
the
school
board
numbers.
L
There's
just
going
to
be
this
funny
election
floating
out
there
of
a
type
you've.
Never
we've
never
had
before
in
the
in
the
city
of
evanston.
Just
two
other
points
I
want
to
quickly
make
before
answering
your
question.
Mr
cher.
First
of
all,
council
number
nussima
raised
the
important
question
of
the
redistricting.
L
L
You
can't
really
do
that
before
the
election,
though,
because
if
you
redraw
the
map,
then
you've
got
to
hold
the
election
in
the
new
map,
but
then
you're
holding
the
ninth
world
election
in
a
new
map,
but
the
eight
folks
representing
wards,
one
through
eight,
are
representing
old
districts
and
you've
got
you've,
got
overlap
and
so
forth.
So
I
would
request
that
yeah.
L
Yeah,
I
would
request
that
the
folks
working
on
redistricting
do
it
with
that
calendar
in
mind,
and
I
would
recommend
that
the
goal
be
to
to
complete
and
pass
a
map
shortly
after
the
2023
election.
So
on
the
one
hand
you
don't
have
two
different
maps
in
the
air
during
the
2023
election,
which
would
make
a
weird
confusing
election
even
more
weird
and
confusing,
but
on
the
other
hand
you
do
it
fast
enough
to
give
as
much
time
as
possible
before
the
2025
election.
L
The
other
point
that
I
wanted
to
make-
and
I
already
see
council
member
faith
white's
hand
raised-
is
that
it's
nice.
If
you
ask
me
my
opinion,
counselor
mr
chair,
but
of
course
there's
two
real
experts
on
this
issue
on
our
council
council
members
breakthrough
to
rebel
who've
gone
through
this
process,
and
so
I
think
it
might
be
interesting
to
hear
from
them
as
well.
You
know,
councilmember
fleming
is
no
longer
with
us,
because
she
had
a
previous
commitment.
She
had
an
award
she's
having
an
award
meeting.
L
As
some
of
you
know
on
saturday
morning,
the
intent
will
be
to
publish
a
full
process
and
for
her
to
share
at
that
ward
meetings
or
conversations
that
she
and
I
are
having
on
an
ongoing
basis,
but
I
think
a
few
things
are
really
critical.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
an
open
application
process
that
there'd
be
an
application
online.
Anybody
can
fill
it
out.
Nobody
gets
to
be
considered
if
they
don't
fill
it
out,
and
anybody
who
does
fill
it
out
will
will
have
a
one-on-one
conversation
with
me.
L
I
think
it's
useful
to
have
a
public
component
of
the
process.
For
instance,
council
member
of
ellis
told
me
about
a
component
that
she
went
through
when
mayor
tisdale
appointed
her.
I
think
it's
unwise
to
make
a
commitment
until
we
see
the
size
of
the
applicant
pool
whether
that
process
include
every
applicant
or
just
a
list
of
finalists,
because
you
want
to
construct
a
process
that
actually
helps
the
community
get
information
and
the
best
way
to
do
that
will
depend
on
you
know.
L
If
there's
three
applicants
probably
won't
put
them
on
a
public
process.
If
there's
30
you
all.
Certainly
don't,
and
so
you
know
the
important
things
for
for
me
to
do
or
devise
a
timeline
for
the
application
form
to
be
published
and
then
to
set
a
deadline
and
then
to
establish
the
mechanism
by
which
the
either
all
the
applicants
are
the
finalists
to
be
a
part
of
the
opportunity
for
public
republic
phase
of
the
process.
L
And
the
other
thing
I
didn't
say,
and
I
don't
believe
that
our
corporation
council
mentioned
is
that
council,
member
fleming's
resignation,
letter
has
now
been
filed
and
the
resignation
is
effective
february
15th.
So
she
will
be
participating
in
our
next
two
council
meetings,
january
24th
and
the
much
beloved
valentine's
day
meeting
and
because
she
was
so
generous
to
give
us
a
nice
long
runway.
L
That
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
do
a
lot
of
this
work,
while
she's
still
in
office,
so
that
we
can
have
a
process
where
I'm
really
giving
folks
a
chance
and
time
and
listening
to
them
carefully
and
thinking
about
the
decision
deeply,
but
also
moving
pretty
quickly
after
she's
gone,
so
that
the
ninth
ward
residents
don't
have
to
go
without
representation
for
almost
any
time
at
all.
L
So
that's
kind
of
that's
where
I
stand
and
I'm
gonna
be.
I
think
all
of
us
would
benefit
from
learning
from
council
members
with
ellen
braithwaite
about
their
experiences
that
they
went
through
and
what
they
thought.
We
stand
to
learn
from
those,
and
that's
that's
what
I
am.
B
Yes,
thank
you
memphis
yeah,
council
member
briefly,
I.
F
Yes,
well,
when
the
vacancy
in
the
seventh
ward
occurred
mayor,
tisto,
convened
I'd,
say
it
was
a
fairly
informal
process,
but
she
basically
let
me
know
that,
knowing
that
she
was
going
to
be
holding
a,
I
guess
basically
like
a
ward
meeting
and
invited
residents
to
come
to
the
meeting,
to
talk
with
her
about
what
they
were
looking
for
in
their
next
alderman
and
then
and
at
that
meeting,
she
invited
anyone
present.
Who
was
interested
in
being
appointed
to
talk
for
a
couple
of
minutes
about
their.
F
You
know
why
they
wanted
to
serve
and
what
their
vision
was
for,
evanston
and
so
I'd
say.
There
were
at
least
six,
maybe
seven
of
us
who
stood
up
and
shared
a
few
remarks.
And
then
I
don't
believe
that
evening.
She
made
any
kind
of
formal
decision,
but
then
soon
after
that,
she
went
to
council
and
proposed
my
that
I
fill
the
vacancy.
B
Thank
you,
council,
member
council,
member
birthway.
I'm
sorry
are
there
any
questions
for
councilmember
as
a
response
to
okay?
If
not,
then
councilmember
yeah
bob.
S
Thank
you
councilman,
reed
and
mayor.
I
agree
it
was.
It
was
a
very
similar,
similar
process
and
I
do
think
for
anyone
going
through
it
and
it
doesn't
matter
whose
ward
that
there
is
that
you
know
informal,
ward
meeting
it.
If
nothing
else.
There
were
some
things
that
I
followed
with
my
predecessor,
the
now
judge
lionel
jean-baptiste
and
it's
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
anyone
who
would
be
appointed
or
is
interested
just
to
hear
from
the
residents
and
be
able
to
respond
to
some
of
those
questions.
S
So
to
you
know,
council
member
excuse
me
to
councilman
reid
and
also
to
corporation
council
nicholas.
I
think
if
we
are
making
the
changes
and
and
talking
about
it,
I
think
it
would
be
critical
that
we
institutionalize
you
know
the
public
meeting
of
some
sort.
We
don't
have
to
hammer
that
out
tonight,
but
just
that
there's
a
meeting
where
residents
will
have
an
opportunity
to
share
their
thoughts
of
what's
important
to
them.
So
whoever
is
walking
into
this
position.
B
Thank
you
councilmember.
I
see
councilmember
kelly,
you're
unmuted.
I
don't
know
if
that's
because
you're.
J
Oh
sorry,
well
I
did
have
a
question:
do
we
so
I'm
so
I'm
unclear?
Do
we
have
so
we
are
we
obligated
to
have
elections
either
way
in
23,
for
this.
L
And
the
idea
the
rule
is,
I
think
it's
a
good
law.
The
law
says:
hey,
listen,
the
residents
need
representation.
So
we'll
have
this
quick
mechanism
where
I
make
an
appointment
to
fill
the
vacancy,
but
as
soon
as
it's
reasonable,
you
want
the
residents
to
pick
their
their
council
member,
not
me,
and
so
because
there's
a
municipal
election
happening
anyway
in
april
23
have
it
then
so
the
residents
can
have
their
voice
heard.
Okay,
and
this
should.
Q
Be
pointed
out,
I
think
I
missed
that
in
my
when
I
gave
my
synopsis
that
the
person
that
is
elected
in
2023
will
serve
until
2025
when
all
of
you
were
back
up
for
election
or
the
positions
are
up
for
election.
So
it'll
it'll
only
fill
the
remaining
two
years
of
the
term
yeah
and
then
and
then
have
to
run
again.
B
If
they
choose
to
do
so,
mayor
bis,
there's
a
point
and
I
blanked
where
I
interrupted
you
and
I
deservingly
not
forgot
my
question:
do
you
happen
to
remember
what
you
were
saying
when
I
yeah.
K
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
mayor's
statement
about
having
maps
not
be
released
until
after
the
2023
election.
K
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
would
be
comfortable
or
not
having
tentative
maps
be
in
circulation
prior
to
that
date,
or
were
you
concerned
just
about
a
final
decision
being
made,
which
it
absolutely
makes
sense
not
to
officially
redistrict
until
after
that
election,
but
there
may
be
draft
maps
circulating
prior
to
the
election
unless
you
think
that's
a
bad
idea.
L
I
think
it's
fine
to
play
it
by
ear,
I
mean
we
might,
depending
on
how
things
are
playing
out.
We
may
want
to
wait
until
petitions
are
filed.
So
you
don't
literally
confuse
a
candidate,
you
know,
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
come
to
the
table.
You
know
here
in
january
of
22
with
a
strong
view
on
that.
I'm
sure
we
can
all
work
through
that
together
in
a
way
that
we'll
agree
on.
K
K
I
agree
so
we
certainly
have
time,
but
I
don't
want
to
wait
forever
to
start
it
and
if
we're
going
to
get
it
done
by
the
end
of
23,
I'd
like
to
start
it,
but
we'll
have
to
be
working
on
it
far
enough
in
advance
prior
before,
probably
prior
to
the
election
in
the
spring
of
23..
B
Yes,
the
point
that
I
was
gonna
make
is
I
I
certainly
well
one.
I
will
just
say
I.
B
I
may
disagree
with
the
opinion
that
if
we
were
to
adopt
a
new
ward
map,
that
there
would
be
one
ward
map
in
existence
for
the
ninth
ward
or
one
ward
boundary
in
existence
for
the
ninth
ward
and
a
separate
in
existence
for
the
other
wards,
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
wait
until
after
the
2023
elections,
but
certainly
I
also
would
think
it
makes
sense
to
have
maps
floating
around
before
then
you
know
and
without
confusing
people.
B
I
think
that,
folks,
that
we
can
educate
folks-
and
I
think
our
new
clerk
can
do
a
good
job
of
making
sure
that
just
one
ward
understands
what
their
boundaries
are
and
what
they
have
to
do
and
what
they
should
not
do.
As
opposed
to
you
know
a
city-wide
confusion.
I
was
going
to
say
to
councilmember
braithwaite's
point
about
institutionalizing
this,
that
that
is
the
point.
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
here
from
the
group
is
that
certainly
there
seems
not
to
be
opposition
to
institutionalizing
a
process
one.
B
It
seems
that
a
process
that
includes
a
an
open
application
and
some
kind
of
open
form-
and
you
know
that
the
mayor
can
determine
how
those
things
work
are
two
things
that
there
seems
to
be.
At
least
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
strong
opposition
to
either
of
those
two
things,
and
I
think
those
two
things
make
sense.
B
As
far
as
you
know,
and
if
we're
going
to
institutionalize
something,
I
think
those
two
things
make
sense
to
to
to
institutionalize
again,
but
there's
an
open
process
for
applying
and
that
there
is
an
open
process
for
reviewing
some
subset
or
some
either
all
or
some
subset
of
candidates,
as
determined
by
the
mayor
publicly
and
then,
of
course,
state
law
kicks
in
as
far
as
what
the
council's
duties
and
responsibilities
are
and
whether
or
not
an
election
would
is
there.
S
J
L
You
know,
I
can't
give
you
a
document
with
a
timeline,
but
I've
made
a
commitment
that
there
will
be
an
open
application
that
is
available
to
community.
That
is
the
way
people
apply,
because
I
want
to
avoid.
You
know
you
know
hey.
Let
me
let
me
apply
by
just
making
a
phone
call,
because
I
know
you
so
there'll
be
an
open
application
process.
L
That'll
be
that'll,
be
done
online
it'll,
be
you
know,
visible
to
the
whole
community
and
that
at
the
at
the
latter
stages
there
will
be
a
public
facing
component
of
the
process.
Okay,.
L
L
J
B
Thank
you,
oh
and
okay.
Your
best.
L
Look,
I
don't
have
super
strong
feelings.
I
would
just
urge
us
to
be
cautious
about
about
what
we
institutionalize,
because
I
think
that
expectations
evolve
right.
So,
for
instance,
I
don't
think,
listen
mary,
this
all
did
anything
wrong.
In
fact,
I
think
she
did
a
lot
of
did
everything
right
with
these
and
was
open,
but
there
wasn't
an
online
web
form
to
use
to
apply,
because
that
wasn't
that
technology
existed,
but
it
wasn't
sort
of
the
way
everything
was
done.
L
The
way
it
is
now-
and
so
I
guess,
if
it's
the
will
of
the
committee
in
the
council
to
put
something
in
the
rules
or
the
or
the
code,
I
don't
have
a
strong
objection
to
it,
but
I
want
it
to
be
written
in
a
flexible
way
so
that
we
don't.
L
We
don't
write
a
rule
for
january
2022
technology
and
expectations
that
winds
up
being
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
bad
fit
in
just
three
or
four
years,
and
then
we've
got
to
come
back
and
scramble
and
fix
it.
I
think
that
the
goals
of
transparency
and
public
input
are
really
critical
and
if
we
wanted
to
digitalize
those
fine,
if
we
want
to,
let's
take
the
position
that
we
don't
see
a
problem
and
therefore
there's
no
need
for
a
change.
L
That's
fine,
too,
but
let's,
let's
just
not
be
too
prescriptive
in
a
way
that
would
hold
us
back.
B
Yeah,
certainly
my
recommendation
is
to
again
I
at
least
what
I
was
laying
out.
Didn't
include
any
technology
components
just
that
there
would
be
an
open
application
process,
whether
that
takes
place
on
papyrus
or
whether
it
takes
place
in
a
database
and
that
there
would
be
an
open
community
forum
as
as
well,
and
the
only
thing
that
I
think
makes
sense
to
and
what
I
think
those
two
particular
things
achieve
are
exactly
what
you
said
you
wanted
to
avoid
and
we're
lucky
to
have.
B
You
know
you
know
yourself
as
our
mayor
someone
who's
committed
to
transparency,
but
you
know
I'd
say
we
get
another
mayor,
you
know
what
at
whatever
period
and
that
mayor
just
wants
to
hand
pick
someone
and
doesn't
want
to
go
through
a
public
process.
I
think
that's
the
only
standard.
You
know
that
there
is
a
you
know,
an
open,
transparent
process
that
we
should
put
into
you,
know
institution
wise
and
then
how
that
plays
out.
I
was
even
you
know
careful.
B
I
attempted
to
be
careful,
and
you
know
you
suggested
that
you
know
if
there
are
30
people
apply,
that
you
should
have
flexibility
to
determine
that.
You
know
your
top
three
or
four
or
whatever
go
on
to
a
public
hearing,
and
I
think
that
flexibility
can
be
maintained,
but
just
that
there
should
be
some
public
form
or
process
in
a
public
application.
B
That's
it
is
there,
I'm
sorry
double
check
for
hands,
I'm
on
a
phone.
I
do
not
see
any
further
hand.
So
if
it
is
the
will
of
this
committee,
I
would
like,
after
this
process
is
done,
to
bring
forward
to
a
rules
committee
meeting
council
member
graduate
will
be
chair
at
the
time,
but
just
a
few
rules
that
would
set
this
in.
B
B
Silences
consent
in
government,
so
I
guess
that
is
consent
that
this
will
come
back
to
another
agenda
with
with
those
components
sometime
after
the
after
we've
had
the
the
a
fresh
update
in
the
lessons
of
appointment.
You
know
from
this
cycle:
I'm
hearing
a
mic,
so
if
anyone
wants
to
chime
in
okay,
if
that
is
it
then
see?
Oh
I'm
sorry.
I
know
councilmember
kelly
received
a
message
from
me.
Did
you
have
a
question
regarding
committees.
Q
Councilmember,
there's
only
one
other
thing
that
I
did
not
get
a
chance
to
discuss
in
r4r5,
and
that
is
the
city
does
have
one
alma
related
lawsuit.
That
lawsuit
was
brought
by
edgar
powell
over
the
board
of
ethics,
having
failed
to
review
its
executive
session
minutes
within.
Q
I
believe
I
forget
the
timeline
right
now,
but
there's
a
certain
timeline.
Once
we
become
aware
they
have
to
review
it
they're
supposed
to
review
it,
they
didn't
review
within
the
six
months
because
they
have
to
review
every
six
months.
Then,
once
we
became
aware
of
it,
I
think
it's
like
within
60
days.
They
have
to
review
it
the
earliest
opportunity
we
have
for
the
quarterbacks
to
review
those
closed
session.
Q
Minutes
was
october
2020,
they
were
reviewed,
they
were
released,
edgar
powell
still
sued,
and
so
that
lawsuit
is
still
pending
even
after
the
pac
told
us
at
the
earliest
convenience
review
executive
session
minutes
and
it's
exactly
what
the
board
of
ethics
did.
We
were
still
sued
so
that
lawsuit
is
pending,
and
I
wanted
to
make
the
committee
aware
of
that
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
council
cummings.
I
just
look
back
on
messages
that
council
cal
air
council
member
kelly.
You
did
asked
me
earlier
about
the
committee
chair
schedule
for
non-standing
committees
and
so.
D
I
will
just
say
for
the
record,
mr
french:
hell
no
did
send
out
a
reminder
on
the
schedule,
so
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
question
on
the
schedule.
J
B
J
Sorry,
I
believe
it
was
about
just
scheduling
our
like
finance
and
budget,
so
it
follows
the
standard
six-month
rotation,
and
that
was
already
brought
up
and
discussed
before
and
agreed
to
in
counsel
our
rules.
But
I
think
it
just
never
got
whatever.
B
Formalized
yeah,
I
think
it
did
what
I'll
say
is
that
we
adopted
a
committee
chair
rotation
schedule,
which
you
know
for
the
standing
committees.
It's
four
months
per.
You
know
chairmanship,
I
think,
for
the
non-standing
committees.
It
seems
that
the
standards
is
about
six
months
per
non-standing
committee
and
the
way
that
we
rotate
is
based
on
seniority
and
we've
created
that
seniority
list
we'll
have
to
well
it'll,
be
obvious
with
the
new
council
member,
where
they
fit
into
it.
B
They'll
slop
slot
into
the
bottom
in
the
ninth
slot,
which
is
fitting
for
the
ninth
ward,
and
so
particularly
for
I
think
you
mentioned
finance
and
budget
and
economic
development
and
all
of
the
other.
You
know
non-standing
committees
that
are
directly
reporting
council.
You
know
we'll
use
that,
so
I
think
for
finance
and
budget.
You
know
to
myself,
you
you
jonathan
councilman
burns.
B
The
seniority
truck
that
we
chose
would
put
me
next
step
to
chair
finance
and
budget,
and
then
we'd
go
down
the
list
based
on
the
seniority
and
for
all
of
the
other
committees.
It's
the
same
kind
of
workflow.
So
we
can
maybe
have
that
formalized
and
put
into
a
spreadsheet
and
that
can
be
presented,
but
it's
already
been
adopted
and
we
can
just
have
it
in
writing
somewhere.
K
B
K
There
was
some
adjustment
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
council
members
cheering
multiple
committees,
so
I
mean
my
simple
question
is
what
when
is
council
member
fleming?
When
would
she
have
been
scheduled
to
chair
a
committee.
D
Well,
I
don't
have
the
list
in
front
of
me
dar
franchise
sent
out
the
revised
schedule.
There's
multiple
committees,
I
think
council
member
fleming
is
on
so
I
don't
have
it
all.
O
B
L
B
Here's
why
I
say
I
thought
that
too
well,
but
also
that
you
know
seniority
thing.
It
wouldn't
make
sense
for
the
newest
person
to
jump
in
air
spot,
but
the
other
thing
is:
there's
I
mean
that
person
is
free
to
choose
what
committees
they
want
to
serve
on
justice,
council,
member
fleming
and
councilman
fleming
currently
only
serves
on.
I
think
two
committees
and
that
person
may
want
to
serve
one
more.
B
They
want
to
may
want
to
serve
on
less
on
different
committees,
so
we'll
have
to
kind
of
re
rejigger
the
whole
thing
anyhow,
because
someone
new
will
be
serving
on
new
committees.
B
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
but
as
far
as
to
council
remember
kelly's
question.
Regardless
of
the
fact
you
know
we
can
have
that
presented.
So
it's
clear
on
the
other
committees
and
then
we
can
figure
out
later
how
we
slot
the
new
ninth
ward
council
member
into
the
committee
schedule
at
another
point:
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
B
I've
seen
no
further
business
before
us.
The
january
19th
meeting
of
the
rules
committee
is
hereby
adjourned.