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A
All
right,
we
are
ready
to
call
the
december
6th
meeting
of
the
evanston
rules
committee
to
order
I
just
want
to
check.
Are
there
any
members
participating
virtually
other
than
apparently
myself
a
second
ago.
A
No
okay
good
may
have
a
roll
call.
C
C
A
Okay,
we
have
a
quorum
and
we
are
ready
to
do
the
business
of
the
rules
committee.
First,
we
have
public
comment.
I
believe
we
only
have
one.
Only
one
person
sign
up
for
public
comment.
So
mr
friedman,
please
enjoy
a
full
public
comment
period.
D
Can
we
compromise
it's
okay,
happy
hanukkah
to
everybody
who
celebrates
it?
Thank
you
for
the
email
notification
for
this
rules
committee
meeting,
which
I've
been
asking
for
for
a
long
long
time.
I
don't
know
what
what
propelled
this
to
happen
now,
but
thank
you
for
the
email
notification
for
rules
committee.
D
D
You
need
to
come
up
with
a
rule
that
incorporates
the
residence
participation
in
the
discussion
and
the
process
so
that
we
can
have
a
vote
in
what's
going
on
in
our
own
lives
and
our
own
community,
because
we're
just
left
out
time
time
and
time
again
it's
not
right,
and
you
say
well,
you
had
public
comment
this.
When
I
read
it,
it
says:
citizen
participation,
plan
amendment,
but
really
what
it
is
is
public
comment
so
and
when
we
participate
in
in
the
tiff
in
the
tiff
hearing,
then,
is
there
a
confusion
about?
D
What's
the
difference
between
a
hearing
and
public
comment,
so
there's
a
problem
that
somehow
we
need
to
get
a
handle
on
getting
residents
involved.
This
is
this
is
not
right,
because
a
lot
of
stuff's
going
on
a
lot
of
money
is
being
spent
that
residents
are
not
part
of
that
discussion
or
that
process.
Thank.
A
All
right
online,
we
have
mike
vasilco.
A
E
E
I
think
both
the
mayor
and
the
council
members
should
be
full-time
employees
and
I
think
the
search
for
a
city
manager
should
be
suspended
until
you
guys
have
a
discussion
about
changing
the
form
of
government.
We
have,
because
I
I
think
personally
and
I
know
a
few
others
that
would
agree
with
me
at
least
the
system.
We
have
doesn't
work
the
amount
of
money
you
pay,
a
interim
temp
city
manager
and
assistant
city
managers
and
assistants.
E
So
I
agree
with
that,
and
I
don't
know
why
there
isn't
more
discussion
about
considering
whether
it's
a
full
change
or
just
an
interim
change,
to
have
a
direction
from
the
mayor
to
an
administrative
city
manager.
Somebody
who
just
takes
direction
and
does
what
the
city
with
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
want
not
the
other
way
around,
because
that's
the
way
it
is
right.
Now,
the
city
manager,
even
an
interim
city
manager,
directs
this
council
what
to
do
and
you
guys
fall
for
it
every
time.
E
I
also
agree
with
reappoint
having
the
council.
This
r7
having
the
council,
appoint
the
corporation
council.
The
way
it
is
the
corporation
council
is
beholding
to
the
city
manager.
E
I
also
agree
with
creating
new
ward
redistricting.
I
think
that's
I've
never
heard
that
happen.
In
all
the
years.
I've
lived
in
evanston
almost
30
years.
That's
time
for
that,
and
I
strongly
agree
with
the
discussion
r10
regarding
realignment
of
boards,
committees
and
commissions.
We've
got
too
many
and
there's
overlapping
right
now.
We've
got
a
bunch
of
overlapping
committees.
So
that's
my
two
cents
thanks
devon.
A
Thank
you
and
then
last
I
think,
signed
up
online
is
doreen
price.
A
Going
twice
durian
price
for
public
comment:
rules:
committee:
okay:
we
will
move
on
then
no,
no,
no.
F
Okay,
sorry,
the
I
I
agree
with
the
other
speakers
in
terms
of
all
the
issues
they
brought
up
so
add
my
vote
to
that,
each
each
of
their
points
and
then,
with
regard
to
specifically
with
regard
to
the
question
of
separation
of
legal
from
the
civil
city
manager,
the
independence
of
judicial
oversight
would
separate
the
appearance
of
conflict
of
interest
with
the
city
manager
in
matters
of
concern
for
residents
and
their
representatives,
and
if
you
want
to
have
trust
in
the
government,
people
have
to
realize
that
the
judiciary,
just
like
in
the
government,
our
united
states
government,
has
oversight.
F
G
A
A
H
Mr
chair,
I
move
approval
of
rules
committee
meeting
minutes
from
september
7th
october
4th
and
october
18th.
I
I
As
you'll
recall,
it
was
a
very
long
and
complicated
conversation
and
the
motion
and
council
member
read
you'll,
be
the
best
person
to
actually
remember
what
you
said,
but
I
don't
believe
you
asked
for.
I
don't
believe
your
motion
was
to
serve
a
six-month
term,
but
rather
a
four-month
term
correct
october
through
october,
through
january.
Yes,.
A
If
it
is,
if
it
isn't
correct
in
the
minutes,
it
is
certainly
correct
on
the
chart
that
we
have
that.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
is
there
a
second
to
that
amendment?
Second,
second,.
A
All
right
any
further
amendments,
all
right
now,
we'll
move
to
the
proof
of
the
minutes,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed,
any
abstentions,
the
eyes
have
it
all
right.
I
would
we're
going
to
move
through
this
try
to
move
through
it
quickly.
There
are
a
few
things
that
I
want
to
switch
around,
but
we'll
start
with
r2.
We
have
a
motion
for
r2
ordinance,
110
0
21,
mending
title
ii
of
the
city
code,
codifying
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
H
Thank
you
charity.
I
didn't
see
anything
in
the
proposed
ordinance
about
term
limits
which
apply
to
most,
but
not
all
of
the
other
bcc's,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
wasn't
an
oversight
and
we
at
least
have
a
discussion.
Did
I
miss.
H
A
A
Yes,
okay,
anything
further
council
member,
okay!
I
do
know
that
council
member
kelly
sent
a
text
message
to
me
in
an
email
to
me,
as
it's
is
council
cummings
here.
A
Okay,
so
then
maybe
miss
ruggy.
J
A
Sent
that,
oh,
that
this
committee,
or
that
the
finance
and
budget
committee
should
be
within
the
ordinance
that
the
finance
and
budget
committee
will
serve
as
the
liaison
to
the
pension
boards,
both
the
fire
and
police
boards
and
that
that
would
be
removed
from
apnw.
And
that
was
something
that
was
discussed
here
quite
a
while
ago
and
approved
by
this
council.
J
C
J
J
We
haven't
discussed
this
at
finance
and
budget,
but
I'm
we
only
had
one
meeting
so
I
don't
remember.
We
covered
a
lot
of
different
comments.
I
mean
topics
traditionally
the
pension
boards
do
a
report
to
a
pnw,
so
ampw.
J
I
don't
really
have
an
opinion
on
this.
I
think
it
would
be
fine
if
it
continues
to
report
to
anpw.
Obviously
the
finance
and
budget
committee
is
going
to
be
studying
the
pension
issues.
J
H
I've
had
a
chance
to
catch
up
with
you
here.
I
do
see
back
on
the
term
limits
question.
The
draft
proposal
does
say
that
the
three
resident
members
shall
serve
two
year
terms.
H
H
Yeah,
so
I
would
just
suggest,
and
if
we
need
to
make
an
emotion,
I'm
amending
section
2-19-3.
K
Thank
you,
chairman
alexandra
ruggy
assistant
city,
attorney,
back
to
the
issue
that
you
brought
up
to
read.
It
does
say
in
here
that
in
part,
2194
powers
and
duties
under
part
e,
the
finance
and
budget
committee
will
recommend
funding
funding
for
city
pensions,
including
debt
issuance
and
the
capital
plan.
A
Okay
and
that's
to
council
member
kelly's
concerned,
okay,
that's
correct,
and
I
do
want
to
answer-
come
from
renee
smith's
question
as
well.
First,
I
guess
the
councilmember
kelly,
since
he
just
raised
that
my
recollection
is
that
we
did
have
the
discussion.
I
I
pretty
distinctly
remember
us
discussing
that
it
would
make
sense
for
the
finance
and
budget
committee
to
have
the
pension
board
be
serve
as
the
liaison.
A
I
do
remember
there
being
a
bit
of
contention
on
that,
but
I
remember
that
we
all
my
recollection
is
that
we
ultimately
settled
on
it
moving
to
finance
and
budget
because
of
some
of
the
alignment
that
you
just
mentioned.
Council
number
one,
but
I
think
I
mean
either
way.
I
think
we
have
time
between
now.
A
I
do
not
believe
this
ends
here,
goes
to
council
for
approval,
and
so
we'll
have
time
to
look
back
at
the
record
and
get
a
solid
answer
on
what
we
decided
to
do
or-
and
we
can
always
change
our
mind
council
member
nusma,
to
your
question.
I
I
don't
recall
if
it's
in
the
rules
or
where
it
states
that
council
members
that
committee
members
tend
to
serve
for
two
terms
max,
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
ordinance
or
rules
miss.
A
I
think
it's
rules,
yeah
and
so
we'll
have
miss
ruggy
check
that
as
you're
moving
along
and
as
you're
proposing
this
language,
but
I
think
it
made
me
it
may
make
sense
to
have
the
your
amendment
read
if
it
is
in
the
rules
that
you
know
the
ordinance,
the
ordinance
read
that
we
shall
follow
term
limits
in
accordance
with
the
council
rules
or
whatever
ordinance
or
authorizing
things.
So
if
we
want
to
change
that
down
the
road,
this
ordinance
would
automatically
update
with
whatever
we
decide
to
do
in
the
future.
Right.
H
As
a
point
of
reference,
our
next
agenda
item
is
amending
city
code
for
the
equity
empowerment
commission.
That
ordinance
does
include
term
limits
explicitly
stated.
K
Just
to
respond
to
your
question
so
city
council
rule
5.2
does
specify
that
a
board
or
commission
appointee
may
be
reappointed
only
once
so.
I
you
know
legal
legally.
I
think
you
can
put
it
in
there
or
refer
to
the
rules,
but
if
it's
consistent
with
the
other
ordinances,
it
might
be
consistent
to
just
put
it
in
there.
For
this
one.
H
So
I
I'll
make
the
motion
to
make
that
explicit
in
the
ordinance.
If
there's
a
second.
A
That
was
moved
by
councilmember
benue
seconded
by
alderman
ravel.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
that
amendment,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor?
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
None!
Okay!
That
amendment
is
adopted.
A
Also,
I
want
to
be
clear,
so
I
do
see
speaking
of
term
movements,
the
selection
of
the
chair,
the
manner
of
selection
has
changed
and
it's
slightly
inconsistent
with
our
rules,
which
I
just
want
to
highlight
that,
and
so
it
now
says
that
the
committee
itself
will
choose
a
chair
from
amongst
its
members
and
that
the
chair
will
that
the
committee
shall
select
a
rotation
schedule.
H
J
Chair
councilman,
could
you
I'm
sorry,
could
you
point
out
where
you
are,
I
I'm
I'm
a
little.
G
A
A
I'm
actually
yeah.
That's
thank
you
for
asking
that
councilmember
one
I'm
actually
unclear.
This
says.
Staff
recommends
this,
I'm
unclear.
We
have
the
referrals
committee,
I'm
unclear
exactly
where
this
came
from.
J
A
Our
rules
and
miss
ruggy
or
manager
gandersky,
if
you
can
pull
it
up.
Our
rules,
say
that
for
a
committee
that
reports
a
committee
consisting
of
both
council
members
and
community
members,
that
reports
directly
to
council
shall
have
its
chair
appointed
by
the
rules
committee.
J
Okay,
so
I
I
don't,
I
would
just
like
everything
to
line
up
correctly
so
that
when
someone
looks
over
what
we're
doing
that,
we
are
being
consistent.
So
either
the
committee
elects
the
chairperson
or
the
rules
committee.
So
if
we
already
have
committees
that
the
rules
committee
selects
the
chair
for
or
we
have
committees
that
the
committee
selects
the
chair,
we
should
do
one
or
the
other.
A
Oh
yes,
so
I
agree,
I
think
we
should
have
consistency.
I
would.
I
would
think
that
we
would
maybe
strike
that
language,
particularly
with
a
committee
as
important.
You
know
this
is
the
closest
thing
I
think
to
a
standing
committee
that
you
can
get
here
and
it
makes
sense
for
the
entire
council
to
have
a
voice
and
and
who's
chairing
this
committee,
and
I
think
we
should
again,
as
you
said,
create
consistency
with
our
rules.
J
Well,
I
I
understand
that,
but
I
also
think
you
know
the
committee
can
sometimes
in
the
past
we've
had
the
committee
select
the
chair
over.
You
know
over
the
history
of
my
time
on
the
council,
so
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
consistent.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
that
means
in
terms
of
what
we
already
do.
I
I've
lost
track.
L
J
A
L
A
Are
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
any
just
further
discussion
on
that
emotion?
No,
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
right,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
That
amendment
is
passed.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
item?
A
Seeing
none,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor,
aye.
C
A
All
those
opposed
any
abstentions,
the
eyes
have
it
item.
R2
has
passed
if
I
may,
because
this
is
relevant
to
what
is
next.
If
we
can
just
skip
to
r10,
which
is
discussion
regarding
realignment
of
boards,
committees
and
commissions,
this
was
actually
not
proposed
by
me.
A
You
know
so
I'd
love
to
take
credit
for
it,
but
council
member
burns
made
this
referral
way
back
at
the
beginning
of
the
term.
So
if
I
have
a
motion
on
item
r10.
L
N
N
I'm
gonna
quickly
read
through
the
the
intro
of
this
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
it's
pretty
much
self-explanatory
and
it's
something
that
I
think
we
should
do
as
a
council
and
then
it
would
help
to
align
the
work
of
our
board
committees
and
commissions
with
city
council
action
and
goals.
So
in
mercer
island
washington,
state
annually
staff,
their
staff
shall
develop
a
draft
work
program
for
each
board
and
commission
based
upon
the
city
council's
annual
work
plan,
which
I'm
not
sure
we
have
an
annual
work
plan.
N
But
we
should
staff
will
present
the
draft
work
program
to
each
board
and
commission
for
input
and
revision.
All
board
and
commission
work.
Programs
will
then
be
presented
to
the
city
council
for
review
possible
amendments
and
approval
boards
and
commissions
shall
not
direct
city
staff
to
perform
research,
gather,
information
or
otherwise
engage
in
activities
involving
projects
or
matters
that
are
not
listed
on
the
work
plan
unless
approved
by
the
city
council
city
manager.
I
think
this
type
of
discipline
will
really
help
to
move
things
along
here.
N
You
know
we,
of
course,
don't
have
staff
as
council
members,
and
so
we
rely
on
on
city
staff,
but
they
of
course,
work
more
directly
with
the
city
manager
on
different
projects
and
so
in
a
sense
in
order
to
move
our
goals
forward.
N
We
really
rely
on
committees,
which
I
think
at
this
moment
they
have
the
ability
to
come
up
with
their
own
projects
and
provide
their
own
direction
as
to
their
work
on
an
annual
basis,
whereas
I
think,
if
we
can,
all,
as
both
a
council
and
committee
and
commissions
etc,
agree
on
a
annual
work
plan,
we
can
more
closely
align
that
work
and
ensure
that
staff
is
very
clear
on
the
work
that
they
would
need
need
to
do
on
an
annual
basis,
and
I
think
we
can
also
work
this
in
with,
with
you
know,
annual
goal
setting
as
a
as
a
as
a
council
as
well.
N
This
is
just
for
discussion.
This
is
something
that
we
can
review
and
talk
about
in
between
now
in
the
work
next
meeting
it.
It
relates
to
some
other
revisions
that
the
equity
empowerment
commission
have
have
laid
out,
which
is
why
I
asked
the
chair.
If
we
could
swap
these
again,
I
don't
think
any
committee
should
unilaterally
should
decide
how
staff
is
directed
to
work
on
projects.
N
K
A
All
right
so
with
that
I
mean
compliment
burns.
I
guess
I'll.
N
Also
just
add
the
second
part
of
this:
is
we
don't
really
do
this
either?
So
I
mean
scope
of
work.
We
kind
of
have
time
frames
for
board
action
on
tasks.
We
don't
have
that
time
frames
for
counsel
or
committee
action,
for
example,
periodic
review
or
interim
reports.
I
don't
think
we
have
that
annual
review
annually
reviews,
portions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
or
the
depart
departmental
multi-year
plans
and
suggest
desired
amendments
there
too
again.
I
think
this
is
just
good
practice
for
bcc.
N
So
again,
this
is
just
discussion,
let's
review
it
and
and
then
we
can,
you
know
bring
it
back
at
some
point,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
good
language
to
start.
H
So
what
I've
heard
so
far
relates
not
necessarily
to
restructuring
our
vast
array
of
boards
and
committees,
but
you
know
kind
of
defining
a
process
and
procedure
for
how
we
manage
these
committees.
Yeah.
N
I
think
it's
alignment,
I
think
the
first
thing
before
we
get
into
because
we've
already
made
a
lot
of
changes
in
terms
of
dissolving
or
or
merging
certain
committees,
but
I
think
before
we
get
into
any
more
details,
I
think
first,
we
just
need
to
align
the
work
of
the
bcc's
to
our
work
and
that's
not
happening
right
now.
Right.
H
So
what
I
was
going
to
say
is
we
might
be
able
to
make
some
additional
changes
with
re-combined
bcc's
to
kind
of
make
them
more
rationally
line
up
to
fit.
You
know,
city
of
evanston,
2022
and
going
forward,
so
we
already
have
so
many.
Maybe
we
don't
need,
as
many
we've
made
some
changes
in
the
last
few
months
step
in
the
right
direction.
Maybe.
H
Additional
steps
we
could
take
in
that
direction,
but
I
think
we
should
also
acknowledge
that
some
of
these
committees
have
actual
authority
and
some
don't
some
are
more
advisory,
and
so
what
might
be
appropriate
for
one
committee?
It
might
not
be
appropriate
for
another
committee.
So
let's
just
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
we're.
You
know
talking
about
a
work
plan
and
stuff
like
that.
H
H
And
I
think
all
of
this
you
know
that
alignment
and
you
know
making
sure
that
we're
all
kind
of
pulling
in
the
same
direction
in
a
coordinated
manner.
I
think
all
of
that
will
come
out
of
a
comprehensive
and
strategic
plan
right
and
so.
H
N
Planning,
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
not
to
pile
everything
onto
our
strategic
plan.
I
think
even
sarah
flax
brought
this
up
when
we
talked
about
or
it
was
brought
up
in
one
of
our
committee
meetings.
I
feel
like
I'm
on
all
of
them,
so
I'll
get
them
mixed
up,
but
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
everything
or
should
expect
to
get
everything
out
of
a
strategic
plan
that
can
be
really
costly
for
us.
I
think
this
is
this
was
a.
N
This
is
work
that
previously
staff
has
already
worked
on
is
something
that
I'm
committed
to
working
with
staff
on.
So
I
think
this
is,
I
think
the
bcc
alignment
recommendations
can
come
from
this
body
along
with
staff.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
include
that
as
part
of
a
strategy.
You
know.
H
N
I
think
it's
really
a
question
of.
Do
we,
like
the
idea
of
to
me,
that's
a
separate
discussion.
The
question
is:
should
our
the
direction
I
was
looking
for
to
work
with
staff
on
is:
should
we
align
our
bcc's
with
the
work
of
the
council,
and
if
so,
I
can
work
with
staff
on
bringing
some
different
recommendations
back
to
do
that.
I
think
that's
a
separate
discussion
from
a
strategic
plan.
A
I'm
going
to
go
to
councilmember
revell,
then
miss
richardson.
After
that,
and
then
council
number
one.
I
I
You
just
did
oh,
oh
okay,
oh
no,
I
well!
I
haven't.
I
haven't
noticed
okay,
because
it
sounded
like
for
some
boards
and
commissions
everybody's.
The
committees
are
already
so
busy
doing
right.
The
work
that
they're
assigned
to
do
that
adding
another
layer
of
back
and
forth
with
city
council
was
it's.
It
sounded
like
a
lot
of
extra
extra
effort,
so
there
may
be
some
boards
and
commissions
where
it
really
would
be
helpful
to.
I
N
I
think
whatever
they're
doing
whatever
they
can
come
to
us
and
say,
hey
look.
This
is
what
we
want
our
annual
work
plan
to
be
so
again,
even
in
this
language,
you'll
see
it
talks
about
revisions,
and
so
this
isn't
something
that
the
city
council
would
do
without
participation
from
the
boards
committees
and
commissions.
N
This
is
something
that
the
council
would
do
with
them
and
then,
after
they
recommend
amendments
and
revisions,
then
those
that
would
that
work
plan
would
be
adopted
by
city
council,
but
it
would
be
worked
on
by
both
council
and
vcc,
so
it's
essentially
whatever
they're
working
on
now.
Let's
one
make
sure
we
understand
what
that
work
is
adopt.
N
It
officially
have
you
know
regular
report
outs
on
it,
as
well
as
benchmarks
on
on
reaching
those
objectives
or
goals
and
all
be
on
the
same
page
and
not
deviate
from
it
in
the
middle
of
the
year,
which
I
think
is
particularly
difficult
for
staff
to
keep
up
with
that.
So
this
even
the
scenario
you
provided.
This
still
applies
to
that
it.
Wouldn't
it
wouldn't
right
now
things
are
complicated.
I
think
this
would
add
a
level
of
of,
and
we
would
be
able
to
anticipate
things
a
bit
better
and
better
plan
for
it.
N
I
A
Thank
you
councilman.
If
I
can
hold
off
councilman
burns,
can
I
have
miss
richardson
sure.
O
And
then
come
from
number
one
good
evening:
rules,
committee,
chair,
reed
and.
O
Deputy
city
manager,
kimberly
richardson,
so
one
of
the
first
tasks
of
me
joining
the
city
back
in
2016
was
to
do
a
comprehensive
review
of
all
of
our
boards
and
commissions
and
in
in
turn
I
almost
became
the
liaison
of
all
boards
and
commissions
and
how
it
functions.
O
I
would
say
to
council
member
burns
your
recommendation.
I
do
see
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish.
There's
some
nuance
to
it.
However,
one
is
that
we
have
a
number
of
boards
and
commissions
that
we
have
over
time
either
eliminated
or
we
had
an
opportunity
to.
O
You
know
reconfigure
to
join
some
work.
Some
did
not,
and
I
know
that
we've
made
a
conservative
effort
in
the
last
year
to
continue
that
effort.
We
have
more
boards
and
commissions
than
possibly
most
of
our
neighboring
communities,
and
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you.
We
have
over
120
something
members
that
serve
on
those
committees.
The
issue
comes
to
those
individuals
who
serve
on
those
committees,
they're,
volunteers,
and
a
lot
of
the
work
that
you're
asking
is
really
on
the
on
the
backs
of
the
staff,
and
so
what
has
to
what
we
have?
O
At
least
I've
attempted
with
those
boards
and
commissions
that
are
associated
with
the
city
manager's
office.
Is
we
attempted
to
create
retreats
for
those
committees
to
then
identify
what
their
task
or
our
objective
would
be
for
the
year
and
come
up
with
a
work
plan?
Many
of
them
are
able
to
do
so.
But,
however,
due
to
the
high
turnover
rate,
it's
really
hard
to
maintain
those
plans.
O
I
can
tell
you
how
many
times
there's
been
an
issue
that
should
have
went
to
a
border
commission
that
the
council
created
a
subcommittee
of
it,
and
so
then,
that
subcommittee
kind
of
took
the
ability
of
that
board
boarded
commission
from
doing
that
work.
Eventually,
people
feel
like
well
we're
not
actually
being
productive
as
a
border
commission
and
they
either
go
on
their.
They
get
wayward
and
create
their
own
tasks,
which
are
not
in
alignment
with
the
city
or
they
just
stop
meeting
or
stop
really
doing
anything
productive.
O
So
there's
a
lot
of
root
causes
to
what
you're
trying
to
address,
and
I
think
working
with
you,
sir,
and
with
the
other
members
on
this
on
the
rules
committee.
We
can
figure
out
something
that
makes
sense
for
how
the
city
operates
with
the
boards
and
commissions,
because
we
want
to
value
those
staff
the
time
that
the
community
members
are
dedicating.
They
are
volunteers,
they're
not
being
compensated.
O
They
are
asked
to
spend
maybe
more
than
an
hour,
depending
on
the
the
type
of
work
that
we're
requesting
them
to
do
a
month,
and
so
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
work
through.
Sir,
and
once
you
know
you-
and
I
can
sit
down
flush
out-
maybe
coming
back
to
the
rules-
commit
committee
with
a
flesh
out
proposal
for
people,
then
to
kind
of
ponder
and
make
a
give
us
some
clear
direction.
O
That
would
be
great,
and
I
know
the
mayor
probably
too
being
that
the
mayor
is
a
part
of
that
process
as
the
person
that
appoints
boards
and
committee
members,
and
so
those
are
some
things
that
I
too
have
been
trying
to
wrap
my
arms
around
for
the
last
few
years,
as
we
really
try
to
bring
some
type
of
meaning.
A
good
example
is
the
art
council.
O
Initially,
the
art
council
was
kind
of
like
in
the
wind,
doing
their
own
thing
and
being
very
strategic
with
the
previous
administration
on
bringing
on
committee
members
that
were
more
diverse
but
also
diverse
in
their
level
of
interest
in
arts
really
changed
the
committee
structure,
and
now
we
have
a
committee
that,
as
you
are
going
to
be
acknowledging
who
has
able
been
awarded
multiple
grants,
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
grant
is.
Nothing
else
needs
that
and
that
had
to
do
because
they
had
a
strategic
plan
and
part
of
that
was
helping.
O
The
community
arts
community
recover
as
part
of
the
covet
response,
and
so
we
can
discuss
more
and
I
don't
want
to
get
too
much
into
weeds.
But
I
definitely
understand
what
you're
trying
to
address
and
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
there
that
really
can
be
impactful
for
both
the
city
council,
as
well
as
for
the
community
members.
A
Thank
you,
miss
richardson
council
number,
one.
J
Well,
yes,
thank
you
and
thank
you,
ms
richardson,
for
providing
us
the
history
and
and
some
of
the
current
issues
that
are
going
on.
I
I
do
think
council
member
burns
that
this
is
an
important
issue
and
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
these
committees
and
boards
and
commissions
are
relevant
and
are
feeding
into
the
work
that
we're
doing
up
here,
but
like
both
ms
richardson
and
councilmember
revell,
I'm
I'm
not
sure.
J
I
think
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
ms
richardson
about
boards
or
commissions
that
you
think
are
are
wandering,
but
the
ones
that
I
have
worked
with
like
council
member
revell.
I
think
that
they
very
directly
work
with
us
on
the
on
the
council
and
asking
them
to
do
the
amount
of
work
that
mercer
island
washington
is
asking
them
to
do.
Is
I
I
think
it's
too
much
for
the
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have
volunteers,
volunteering.
I
just
checked
on
the
mercer
island
website.
J
They
have
eight
committee
boards
or
committees,
four
of
them
have
statutory
authority
so,
for
instance,
like
a
planned
commission
civil
service
commission,
their
design
commission,
so
there
that
leaves
about
five,
five
or
so
that
have
to
design
a
work
plan.
You
know
that's
and
it's
a
community
of
27
000
people,
so
I
think
that's
a
really
interesting
idea
to
have
a
plan,
and
in
the
past
we
have
encouraged
them
to
do
that,
and
some
of
them
have,
for
instance,
the
arts
council.
J
I
think
the
environment
board
is
one
of
those
terrific
boards
that
is,
has
always
been
active
and
bringing
issues
to
the
council.
So
I
I
think
it's
an
issue
that
we
should
should
bring
up,
but
I
think
I
would
have
appreciated
more
information
about
this.
I
mean
we
don't
have
anything
in
the
packet
about
this
other
than
realign
the
boards
and
commissions.
J
You
know
I
I
think
we
could
have
had
ms
richardson
provide
us
with
more
information.
We
could
have
gotten
this
from
mercer
island,
so
I'm
happy
to
discuss
it,
but
we
need
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
time.
Thinking
about
it
beforehand.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you,
and
so
I
think,
if
you're
gonna
flip
on
your
light.
A
I
I
will
say
that
I
think
what
we
should
focus
on
now
and
is
wrapping
up
this
discussion
and
then
also
just
getting
a
few
items
that
we
wanna
see.
So
you
know,
first
of
all,
I'd
love
to
see.
I
think
I've
read
somewhere
in
councilmember
burns
and
I've
had
this
discussion
that
there's
some
rules
somewhere.
That
says
that
every
year
there's
supposed
to
be
an
annual
report
done
by
committees.
A
So
I'd
just
like
to
see
all
of
the
things
that
committees
are
supposed
to
be
doing
already
what
we
put
on
their
plate
already.
I
think
council
member,
wins
idea
or
earth
request
for
to
hear
what
your
thoughts
are
on.
What
committees
is
the
term
was
used
wayward,
which
committees
need
to
be
kind
of
rained
in
a
bit
and
then
councilman
burns
I'll.
Let
you
finish,
and
anyone
else
on
the
things
that
we're
looking
for
at
the
next
meeting.
N
Yeah,
just
and
you
can
see
it
in
under
guidelines
for
bcc
self-assessment,
so
this
is
something
that
we've
already
had
in
place
even
right
now,
technically,
these
guidelines
are
still
effective.
You
know,
boards,
committees
and
commissions
are
supposed
to
by
these
guidelines,
create
annual
work
plans.
That
being
said,
a
work
plan
is
is
up
to
this
body
to
determine
how
much
work
goes
into
that
or
not
that's
work
plan.
I
think
everybody's
thinking.
This
needs
to
be
a
20
page,
100
page
document.
H
N
Every
committee
certainly
to
some
degree
that
we
should
know
what
they're
working
on,
not
just
individual
council
members,
as
I'm
sure
the
committee
that
you're
you're
a
part
of
you
understand
what
they're
working
on.
But
I'm
saying
as
a
full
body.
There
should
be
much
more
of
an
official,
formal
process
of
adopting
some
type
of
work
plan,
no
matter
what
degree
that
is
annually,
so
that
we're
all
rowing
in
the
same
direction.
N
I
think
just
at
the
most
basic
level
that's
important,
and
I
think
today
all
I
wanted
was
a
little
bit
of
direction
so
that
that
you
know
kimberly
and
I
and
the
mayor
and
whoever
else
is
interested,
can
can
can
work
on
this
and
then
bring
it
back.
For
you
know,
with
a
little
bit
more
meat.
O
And
I
just
want
to
just
add
real
quickly
the
report
that
you
speak
of
when
we
used
to
do
the
reports
that
were
required.
I
will
tell
you
the
quality
of
what
we
receive
were
not
very
useful,
because
there
was
not
given
direction
of
what
you
were
expecting.
So
if
you
are
looking
at
our
council
rules,
if
they
don't
follow,
align
with
the
council
rules,
they
really,
I
mean,
excuse
me
council
goals
of
like
the
last
time
we've
done
a
council
goal
initiative.
O
If
they
don't
fall
in
line
with
those
council
goals,
they
really
don't
have
any
kind
of
guidance
from
the
city
council
what
your
expectations
are
of
them.
I
think
the
strategic
plan
really
is
are
going
to
be
the
measurement
for
which
you're
able
to
then
hold
the
committees
accountable
to
create
whatever
plan
or
come
back
to
you
all
without
a
direction
they
need,
but
you
also
have
to
realize
sometimes
it's
coming
from
the
council
themselves.
O
So
if
you
have
a
meeting
and
the
next
day,
you
say,
okay
at
this
meeting,
we're
going
to
give
it
to
the
environment
for
equity
apartment
commission.
Well
now
you
just
deviated
from
their
work
plan
that
had
them
during
x
and
now
they're
focusing
on
why?
So
we
can
discuss
this
further
offline,
but
I
just
want
to
give
some
context
because
I
do
understand
the
concern
that
you're
trying
to
address.
N
I
want
to
make
sure
what
you
just
described
doesn't
happen
anymore
and
to
be
clear.
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
work
on
what
that
timeline
will
look
like
and
what
the
requirements
are,
not
that
we
say
this
is
your
work
plan
that
absolutely
costs
money
to
your
point
should
be
developed
through
a
strategic
plan.
So
I'm
not
saying
we
determine
now
what
the
work
plans
are
for
each
board
committee
and
commissions.
N
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
come
up
with
those
requirements
that,
once
those
work
plans
are
created,
one
that
we
require,
that
they
be
created
right
and
and
and
come
up
with
the
timeline.
Where
does
it
align
with
when
we
set
our
goals
annually
as
a
council,
which,
I
don't
think
you
know,
that's
that
that
is
even
clear.
Are
we
gonna
come
with?
N
You
know,
create
council
goals
annually
after
we
crown
our
credit
our
goals
on
this
date,
then,
by
this
date
the
the
work
plans
will
be
submitted
to
bcc's
for
amendments
and
revisions
and
then,
by
this
date,
it'll
go
back
to
count.
That's
what
I'm
talking
about
is
more.
So
what
does
that
timeline?
Look
like
for
us.
A
Thank
you
councilmember
burns
and
then
last
thing
just
miss
richardson.
I
think,
as
a
part
of
this
discussion
will
be
helpful,
is
I
don't
know
if
we
all
have
our
minds
wrapped
around
exactly
what
is
the
difference
between
a
committee,
a
board
and
a
commission,
and
what
special
authorities
do
they
have
because
of
that
title?
None.
O
I
mean
honestly
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
as
the
corporate
council
council,
you
have
the
final
authority.
They
are
advisory,
even
if
they're
statutory
there
may
be
a
couple
that
have
some
statutory
abilities,
but
the
majority
of
our
boards
and
commissions
are
not
and
they're
are
going
to
just
give
recommendation
and
advise
the
city
council.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you,
okay
and
I
just
will
give
us
a
heads
up.
There
are
a
few
items
that
I'm
going
to
remove
in
the
interest
of
time
item.
If
there's
no
objection,
item
r7
and
item
r6
and
I
think
everything
else
we
can
move
through
quite
quickly,
all
right
so
back
to
that.
Our
three
may
have
a
motion
on
r3
adoption
of
ordnance,
117,
0,
21
emitting
title
2,
chapter
12
of
the
evanston
city
code,
equity
and
empowerment,
commission
and
miss
richardson.
I
guess
you
might
as
well
stay
here.
Yes,.
A
You
is
there
a
second
second
by
council
number,
one,
any
discussion.
O
A
O
A
And
I
think
also
to
for
any
council
member,
I
think
there
is
a
vacancy
as
best
as
I
can
understand,
there's
a
vacancy
on
the
equity.
M
A
Okay,
well
there,
oh,
when
we
adopt
this,
there
will
be
one
position
that
is
available
for
a
council
member
did.
A
Okay,
well,
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
All
right
may
have
a
with
no.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
with
no
further
discussion,
all
those
this
adoption
of
an
ordinance.
A
Favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions:
all
right
item
r4
duties
of
the
ordinance
112
0
21,
amending
section
172
of
the
city
code,
general
duties
of
the
clerk
to
add,
processing
of
temporary
disability,
vehicle
placards
and
vital
records.
A
A
Okay,
I
have
one
question.
I
think
this
makes
sense.
I
I
would
love
to.
As
this
comes
to
counsel,
since
we're
talking
about
the
duties
of
the
clerk,
I
would
really
like
understand
to
gain
an
understanding
regarding
one
piece
of
the
code
under
seven
one,
seven
two,
I
forget
the
exact
line
out.
A
It
may
be
g,
but
it
says
that
the
clerk
is
the
custodian
keeper
of
all
books,
papers
and
records
of
the
city,
and
I
would
just
love
if
our
law
department
between
now
and
this
coming
back
to
council,
I
can
either
look
at
it.
A
I'd
really
love
if
we
could
work
with
ansel
glink
cary
lynn,
kraftwer
is
the
municipal
clerk
league's
lawyer
and
I'd
love
her
to
just
kind
of
help
us
get
an
understanding,
because
I
think,
if
we're
having
this
discussion
about
the
clerk's
duties,
it
makes
sense
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
we're
about
to
re-adopt
again
as
the
clerks
duty,
particularly
as
the
custodian
and
keeper
of
all
books
papers
records
of
the
city.
What
does
that
exactly
mean?
I
think
is
important.
A
That's
not
okay!
So
with
that,
I
would
love
to
move
this
on
to
council,
but
have
you
know
some
more
analysis
on
that
particular
item
with
no
further
saying
no
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
item
r4,
say
aye
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
and
any
abstentions.
All
right
and
r4
is
adopted.
Unanimously
item
r5.
We
have
a
motion
on
item
r5,
a
discussion,
discussion.
A
City
code
164
to
require
the
mayor
to
announce
mayoral
veto
at
a
city
council
meeting
immediately
following
preceding
a
veto.
N
Move
r5
for
discussion
regarding
amending
city
code
1-6-4
to
require
the
mayor
to
announce
mayoral
veto
at
the
city
council
meeting
immediately
following
the
veto.
A
All
right,
I
I
made
this
referral.
We
had
a,
I
think
in
the
first
time
in
quite
a
while.
I'm
sorry
is
there
a
second.
A
A
Mary
best
all
right,
so
we
had
what
I
think
for
the
first
time
in
quite
a
while,
a
veto
of
of
a
piece
of
legislation,
pat
an
ordinance
passed
by
this
council.
A
It
is
not
clear
in
our
rules
or
in
our
code
that
the
mayor
should
announce
this,
and
when
I
propose
this,
I
don't
know
if
I
put
an
ordinance
a
change
to
the
ordinance
or
change
to
our
rules,
but
either
way
I
think
it
makes
sense.
State
code
actually
requires
that
the
mayor
announced
a
veto.
I
just
think
it
should
be
clearly
listed
here
in
our
own
rules.
A
So
it's
clear
it's
you
know
you
have
to
go
searching
through
state
code
to
understand
what
the
responsibility
of
the
mayor
is.
H
H
So
there
is
no
explicit
direction
in
the
code
that
the
mayor
has
to
stand
up
and
say
words,
but
it
would
seem
to
me
that
we're
adequately
covered
by
current
code.
L
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
this
is
a
good
idea
and-
and
I
don't
I
agree
with
councillor
newsome-
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
exactly
where
the
greatest
gap
is,
but
as
the
person
who
issued
the
v
tone
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
I
was
supposed
to
do,
I
will
say
that
the
code
was
a
little.
The
rules
were
slightly
confusing
and
I
think
cleaning
them
up
and
ensuring
that
they.
L
I
certainly
hope
that
everyone
felt
that
I
was
clear
and
gave
it
adequate
notice,
but
I
sort
of
didn't
feel
obligated
to
do
that
by
the
rules
and
I
probably
should
have
been
so.
I
think
I
think
if
we
were
to
just
you
know,
as
a
sidebar
conversation,
take
20
minutes
to
write
the
right
rule
on
this,
I
think
would
be
beneficial.
A
Great
yeah,
I
I
will
say
if
there's
no
further
discussion
that
I
I
just
think
it
makes
sense
to
create
that
clarity
in
our
rules.
So
any
mayor,
any
council
100
years
from
now
knows
what
the
responsibility
is
and
there's
no
gap
in
clarity.
I
think
you
know
returning
it
to
the
council
could
mean
a
whole
host
of
things.
It
could
just
mean
an
email.
It
could
mean
that
it
comes
to
the
floor.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that
the
public
would
know
that
if
something
is
adopted,
if
they
see
something
adopted
here
on
the
floor,
that
they
actually
have
the
opportunity
to
know.
Okay,
well,
actually
the
mayo
v
mayor
mayo,
the
mayor
vetoed
that,
and
it
is
not
law
council
number
one
and
then
councilman.
J
J
A
N
Yeah,
I
think
that
was
a
situation
too,
where
there
was
further
action
that
the
council
was
seeking
to
take
which
allowed
it
to
be
made
public,
and
I
think
we
should
ensure
that
whatever
change
we
make
that
if
community
members
come
into
a
meeting,
action
was
taken
on
something
and
then
in
between
that
meeting
is
vetoed.
N
I
think
the
community
should
know,
there's
been
a
change
and
that
that
should
be
announced
publicly
at
the
very
least
required
to
to
to
be
made
public
in
the
agenda
or
pack
it
or
what
have
you
thank.
A
You
all
right
with
no
further
discussion
on
that
item.
We
can
move
on
and
so
the
direction
I
guess
to
staff
is
come
back
to
the
next
rules
committee
meeting
and
we'll
work
with
folks
to
have
some
language
on
that
all
right.
We
are
now
on
to
yes
all
right,
so
we
skipped
over
our
six.
Our
seven
and
we're
going
to
r8
r8
is
discussion
regarding
the
creation
of
a
ward
redistricting
committee
may
have
a
motion
on
that.
C
J
J
If
we
can
research
that,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
examine
the
census
data
and
figure
out
whether
we
need
to
redistricting
is,
I
believe,
the
information
that
we
have
so
far
indicates
that
it
is
appropriate
2010.
It
wasn't
I
mean,
so
I
do
think
that
having
a
committee
just
to
examine
this
and
come
up
with
a
strategy
as
somewhere
in
here
it
does
say
the
last
time
around
there
were
15
maps.
J
I
think
that
if
we
could
come
up
with
a
strategy
and
approach,
it
would
be
better
not
to
have
15
maps.
It
was
very
confusing
the
last
time,
but
we
made
our
way
through
it.
So
I
think
that
we
should
have
a
committee.
It
should
maybe
the
the
initial
committee
should
be
just
members
of
the
city
council
to
examine
the
the
past
and
what
are
best
practices
elsewhere
and
and
then
determine
what
would
be
come
back
to
the
rules
committee
and
determine
what
would
be
the
best
strategy
going
forward.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
burns.
N
I'm
just
this
is
somebody
as
a
political
advocate
who
has
worked
in
a
lot
done,
a
lot
of
research
on
redistricting,
and
it
spoke
at
state
hearings
at
the
request
of
representative
gable,
and
we
also,
we
actually
got
our
maps
to
change
here
in
evanston
estate
maps.
If
you
didn't
notice
and
that's
something
that
we
really
worked
hard
to
do
to
get
all
the
fifth
ward
and
one
in
one
state
rep
district,
which
we
achieved,
and
so
I
would
love
to
to
volunteer
for
that.
For
that
committee
just
wanted
to.
L
I
don't
have
any
specific
objective
in
mind
here,
but
I
would
just
urge
first
of
all,
I
think
we
have
to
do
this.
I
think
it's
really
important,
but
I
would
urge
that
we'd
be
willing
to
at
least
open
our
minds
to
a
broad
variety
of
of
options
that
we
looked
at
things
like
the
size
of
the
council
and
things
like
multi-member
awards
and
at-large
seats.
Again,
I'm
not
advocating
for
any
of
that
at
this
time.
A
You
okay.
Well
with
that.
I
think
that
next
move
is
to
figure
out
who
would
like
to,
I
think
councilmember
when
you're
exactly
correct
that
the
process
should.
My
idea
of
the
process
is
a
shared
one,
that
we
would
start
off
with
a
committee
of
council
members
to
determine
a
general
process
and
move
forward,
and
I
mean
maybe
I
should
stop
there,
but
I
generally
do
think
that,
potentially
that
the
process
should
in
part
be
citizen
driven,
but
we
can
decide
that
that
committee
can
decide
that.
A
So
I'm
hearing
council
member
when
is
interested
in
that
committee,
I
heard
council
member
burns
I'll
raise
my
hand
as
well.
Although
council
member
nusma,
which
thank
you
for
some
of
the
research
they
did
earlier,
I
will
volunteer
myself
as
well,
and
I
think
that
committee
we
can
we'll
have
this
come
back,
and
then
we
can
name
a
chair
at
the
next
rules
committee
and
we
can
discuss
amongst
the
members
who
wants
to
chair
that
and
or
we
can.
I
was
also
thinking
that,
because
you
did
some
research
so.
A
Have
councilmember
nussma
chair
of
that
committee?
G
A
If
you're,
yes,
I
think
you
said
you're
willing
to
all
right.
So
then
then
councilman
newsome
will
chair
the
committee
and
we
can
get
that
redistricting
process
off
the
road
or
on
the
road
yeah.
So
let's.
A
As
the
chair,
I
have
that
authority
just
to
to
create
a
committee
and
name
the
chair,
so
I've
used
my
authority
to
do
that.
It's
done.
Okay,
r9
is
discussion.
I'm
sorry,
no
further
discussion
on
r8,
correct,
great
moving
on
item
r9
discussion
regarding
creation
of
a
committee
committee
to
monitor
foia
and
oh
and
open
meetings
at
compliance.
N
So
I
move
r9
to
discuss
to
have
a
discussion
regarding
creating
a
committee
to
monitor
foia
into
oma.
Compliance
is.
A
We
we
don't
need
to
take
a
vote
on
that.
As
chair,
the
chair
has
the
ability.
A
A
A
K
A
Revell
so
as
far
as
r9
is
there
any
discussion
and
then
I
will
council
number
one
and
then
council
member
reveal.
J
Yes,
I
don't
think
this
committee
is
necessary.
I
think
the
city
council
is
this
committee
and
has
this
authority
to
monitor
our
foia
and
open
meet
exact
compliance
and
in
the
past,
when
the
council
has
had
questions
about
this,
and
we
have
many
times
about
what
what
is
appropriate.
Are
we
following
the
rules
correctly?
J
We
have
made
a
request
of
the
attorney
general
to
get
the
correct
opinion
on
this,
so
I
don't
think
I
think
the
entire
council
actually
has
a
responsibility
to
individually
and
as
a
as
a
body
to
monitor
our
foia
compliance
and
oma
and
compliance.
So
I
don't
think
that
we
should
create
a
new
committee
for
this,
because
we
already
have
that
responsibility.
I
Well,
I
agree
that
we
don't
really
need
a
committee
to
do
this.
Our
rules
already
provide
council
rules
provide
that
the
I
think
the
rules
committee
has
responsibility
for
compliance
with
the
open
meetings
act
and
as
for
the
foia,
if
there
I
would
defer
to
our
city
clerk
who
has
responsibility
for
foia,
and
you
know.
Perhaps
the
council
would
like
to
ask
for
a
annual
report
for
your
report
from
the
city
clerk
or
something
like
that,
but
I
I
I
guess
I
really
don't
see
the
need
for
a
separate
committee.
M
Yeah,
I
would
agree,
I
think,
just
with
ottoman
reveal.
I
think
it's
worthwhile
for
us
to
follow
what's
happening,
so
maybe
even
a
quarterly
report
or
something
like
that,
because
every
now
and
again
I
do
hear
from
people
who
say
that
before
I
took
a
really
long
time
or
you
know
whatever
that
was
denied
and
it
shouldn't
have
been,
but
it
seems
like
I
don't
know
if,
at
the
point
of
needing
an
actual
committee
versus
you
know,
just
getting
our
hands
around
a
little
more
to
see
what
the
issues
are.
M
If
there
are
issues,
because
some
issues
might
you
know
one
issue
in
particular?
Wasn't
the
cleric's
office,
but
the
clerk
handles
boy.
It
was
an
issue
with
the
police
department
right
and
so
for
us
to
get
an
idea
of
if
there
are
different
departments
that
are
taking
a
long
time
and
what
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
you
know
that
that's
not
happening.
We
we
have
staff
in
place
and
people
understand
what
the
duties
are
versus
in
another
city
committee
I
mean
just
tonight,
we've
made,
I
think
they
make
one
or
two
other
committees.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
councilmember
fleming
I
will
chime
in
so
I
I
made
this
referral.
I
think.
A
And
ravel,
and
everyone
is,
is
absolutely
correct
that
it
is
the
responsibility
of
the
council
under
the
way
it's
laid
out
in
the
both
the
foia
statute
and
open
meetings.
Act
is
that
the
public
body,
which
is
the
council,
is
responsible
for
both
foia
and
oma?
In
the
case
of
foia,
the
council
has
the
ability
to
designate
foia,
I
think
they're,
just
called
foia
designees
and
the
this
body
has
designated
the
city
clerk.
A
The
someone
in
the
I
want
to
say
comptroller's
office,
but
it's
not
the
comptroller's
office,
it's
the
collector's
office,
as
well
as
the
law
department
and
the
police
department.
So
we
have
four
foia
officers
named
but
and
then
yes,
there
also
exists
a
process
for
a
resident
to
appeal
to
the
attorney
general's
office,
but
that
process
is
quite
can
take
quite
a
long
time
for
the
attorney
general's
office
to
get
back
to
residents.
A
And
then
you
know
that
process
in
and
of
itself
takes
some
staff
time
and
that
the
law
department
has
to
correspond
with
the
attorney
general's
office,
the
back
office.
Regarding
whatever
the
item
is,
and
as
the
public
body,
we
have
the
responsibility
and
the
ability
to
create
our
own
internal
process,
which
is
what
I
think
this
committee
would
be.
So
instead
of
residents
feeling
like
they
have
to
go
to
the
attorney
general's
office,
they
can
request
that
it
would
come
to
this
four-year-old
committee.
A
The
committee
can
look
at
it,
make
a
recommendation
to
council.
Let's
say:
there's
something
where
the
foia
statute
is
a
bit
gray.
The
public
body
itself
always
has
the
authority
to
make
our
own
decisions
about
whether
or
not
we
release
something.
And
so
I
think
this
committee
would
allow
us
to
make
a
allow
resident
to
make
their
case.
A
Why
an
item
should
be
released
and
allow
members
of
the
council
to
review
that
determine
if
it
should
be
released
and
then
send
that
up
to
the
entire
council
for
an
actual
determination,
and
we
don't
have
to
offload
that
to
the
attorney
general's
office
and
it
can
increase
transparency
and
trust
in
local
government.
So,
council
member
burns.
N
Yes,
some
questions.
Does
the
illinois
attorney
general?
Have
the
authority
to
mandate
the
city
release?
Yes,
a
record
if
it
was
improperly
denied.
A
The
attorney
general's
office
does
have
that
authority.
There
are
two
kind
of
opinions
that
the
attorney
general's
office
issues-
one
is
a
binding
opinion
and
then
the
other
is
a
non-binding
opinion.
I'd
say
you
know
I'd
say,
then
I
used
to
be
a
foia
officer,
90
or
more
percent
of
the
time.
The
attorney
general's
office,
the
attorney
general's
office,
very
rarely
issues
binding
opinions
on
any
matter.
A
Even
if
there
is
a
clear
violation,
they
tend
to
only
issue
an
advisory
opinion,
the
only
time
they
issue
binding
opinion
or
they
typically
issue
binding
opinions
when
a
new
matter
arises.
So
when
body
cameras
were
came
online,
and
that
was
a
new
record
that
was
created
across
the
state,
they
issued
a
binding
opinion
on
the
own
interpretation
of
the
body
camera
statute,
and
so
you
know
again,
we
can
assume
that
responsibility
ourselves.
Is
there
anything
else?
Yeah.
N
A
There
are
numerous
instances
where
there
are
non-binding
opinions
that
were
issued
by
the
attorney
general's
office
and,
in
fact,
folks,
the
city
has
been
taken
to
court
because
of
those
non-binding
opinions,
and
I
think
in
at
least
two
of
the
three
cases
that
I
can
think
of.
I
think
we
lost
those
cases
are
on
the
verge.
I
know
at
least
one
we
lost,
and
I
know
one.
N
A
I
can
tell
you
one
was
lost,
I
know
for
sure
we
lost
one,
and
I
know
a
couple.
Others
have
been
brought
to
court
and
but
again,
some
of
those
cases
that
have
gone
to
court.
What
I
do
know
for
certain
is
that
of
the
roughly
three
cases
that
are
in
court
all
three
of
those:
the
attorney
general's
office
issued
non-binding
opinion
directing
the
city
to
release
records
and
the
city
well
we're
in
court.
So
we
did
not.
N
You
know
you
know,
I
think
credit.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
create
another
committee,
but
I
do
think
in
certain
circumstances.
It
would
make
sense
for
this
body
for
the
rules
committee
to
review
for
your
denials,
and
I
say
that
because
a
few
different
reasons,
even
there
are
some
situations
where
the
state
statute
may
say:
you're
not
required
to
release
a
record.
But
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
release
a
record,
and
I
think
people
don't
really
understand
that
that
part
of
it.
That's
really
important
to
understand.
N
And
so
I
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
in
certain
situations
where
it
feels
as
though
there's
this
tug
of
war
there's
this
unnecessary
tug
of
war
between
the
release
of
a
public
record
that
there's
another
body
that
that
can
provide
much
more
of
a
a
kind
of
affirmative
decision
on
the
question,
as
opposed
to
a
non-binding
opinion
that
that
you
know
may
or
may
not
be
followed
again.
I
don't
I
don't.
N
I'm
not
sure
it
requires
a
separate
committee
to
be
formed,
but
I
would
love
for
this
body
to
hear
some
of
those
con.
You
know
appeals
if
we
could
clearly
define
like
which
one
should
go
before
this
committee
as
opposed
to
the
iga
or
but,
and
then
also
I
just
I
don't
want
people
to
have
to
spend
their
hard-earned
money
to
sue
the
city
for
public
records
that
we
should
just
be
making
available
to
the
public.
It's
just
that
that
part
of
it
doesn't
make
sense.
A
L
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
It
seems
to
me
there's
two
issues
one
might
contemplate
here.
The
first
question
is:
do
we
have
adequate
entities
inside
the
city
where
somebody
who's
concerned
about
foia
compliance
can
go,
make
their
complaint
and
I
would
argue,
the
answer
is
yeah.
We
do
they
could
come
to
the
rules
committee,
as
was
mentioned.
They
certainly
come
to
council
and
they
do
they
come
to
me
personally.
Sometimes
they
can
come
to
the
clerk
all
those
mechanisms
exist.
L
The
second
question,
though,
is
who
really
ought
to
be
the
final
arbiter,
and
I
would
argue
that
it's
critical
that
that
not
be
internal
right.
We
can't
be
no
institution,
it's
not
about
us
or
the
city
of
evanston
or
government.
No
institution
should
be
relied
upon
to
police
itself
and
to
the
extent
that
people
have
concerns
about
our
oma
and
foia
compliance,
we're
not
going
to
resolve
that
by
creating
another
internal
entity.
L
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
that
line,
so
my
thought
here
is
one
this
would
not.
The
creation
of
this
committee
would
not
preclude
anyone
from
going
to
the
attorney
general's
office
from
filing
a
lawsuit.
If
anything,
my
hope
is
that
it
would
lessen
the
chance
of
someone
having
to
do
that.
The
the
other
thing
is
that
having
this
committee,
as
we
said,
this
body
is
the
public
body,
the
city
council
is
the
public
body.
We
are
responsible,
but
at
this
point
we
have
given
our
responsibility
away
and
essentially
made
it.
A
So
residents
can't
directly
hold
us
the
public
body
who
should
be
the
arbiter
of
whether
these
records
are
released
or
not.
We
can't
be
held
directly
accountable.
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
someone
could
make
a
you
know
a
complaint
about
a
record.
This
subcommittee
could
review
it.
If
we
thought
it,
you
know
it
could
come
up
to
the
entire
account.
A
I
think
it
should
come
up
to
the
entire
council,
but
I
think
this
body
would
be
the
body
to
review
it
first
and
then
the
council
can
take
a
vote
on
whether
or
not
it's
appropriate
to
release
that
item,
and
then
we
can
be
held
accountable
for
if
we
deny
or
deny
release
of
an
item-
and
someone
goes
to
the
attorney
general's
office
or
to
court,
and
then
it's
like
okay.
Well,
we,
the
public
body,
bear
the
responsibility
of
the
elected
officials
that
the
public
can
then
either
elect
or
unelect.
A
We
bear
the
responsibility
of
whether
or
not
a
record
was
properly
or
improperly
released,
and
right
now
we
we
give
that
responsibility
away.
I
would
argue
mayor
bist
that
you
were
that
your
statement
in
the
beginning
about
the
process
existing
for
folks
to
to
raise
issue
internally
is:
it
is
an
optimistic
view
of
what
is
available
and
what
happens
because
you
know
a
service
clerk
residents
cannot
bring
a
foia
matter
to
the
rules
committee.
A
There's
no
mechanism
that
says
hey
you
can
get
if
you
feel
that
your
foia
was
improperly
denied
that
you
can
get
a
hearing
at
the
rules
committee
and
have
the
entire
council
look
at
that
and
decide
whether
or
not
we,
as
the
public
body,
have
decided
that
this
record
should
be
released.
And
you
know
this
has
happened.
A
A
number
of
really
important
issues
have
been
foied
and
denied,
and
the
public
body
has
not
really
taken
a
stance
on
that
and
that's
everything
from
police
body
cameras
that
footage
that
demonstrated
that
that
led
to
a
multi
or
an
over
million
dollar
lawsuit
that
I
don't
think
you
know
that
was
foyed
and
wasn't
delivered
to
the
responded
correctly
years
ago.
A
There
are
a
number
of
other
issues,
such
as
the
the
the
matters
that
are
in
the
courts
now
or
that
have
been
in
the
courts
just
in
the
last
few
years
and
there's
a
whole
host
of
of
issues
that
have
come
up,
and
I
do
think
it's
prudent
for
this
body
to
take
responsibility
for
that.
So,
but
with
that,
we
I
want
to
move
on
to
the
next
meeting
before
6
30.
K
Thank
you,
alex
roger
assistant
city
attorney,
just
to
clarify
some
issues.
First
of
all,
the
city
routinely
follows
non-binding
opinions
from
the
illinois
attorney
general's
office.
Our
current
pending
lawsuit,
the
city,
did
turn
over
documents.
The
plaintiffs,
in
that
case
are
disagreeing
with
thinking
that
the
city
has
more
documents
that
it
does
not.
K
So
that's
why
there
is
a
lawsuit,
but
the
city
did
turn
over
documents
that
it
had
given
to
the
pack
that
the
pack
ruled
that
we
should
release
and
then
well
and
then
another
point
is
that
there
are
statutory
limitations
on
when
a
four-year
requester
can
submit
an
appeal
to
the
pac
and
submit
a
lawsuit.
So
this
committee
would
have
a
very
short
timeline
to
work
within
to
ensure
that
if
the
person
wants
to
take
those
other
actions,
they
would
still
be
able
to
do
so.
A
To
that
actually
again
there,
there
wouldn't
be
a
short
window
for
this
committee.
In
fact,
this
to
some
of
the
things
that
were
raised
earlier
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
There
is
a
short
timeline.
There's
a
60-day
window
that
you
have
to
file
a
foia
request
for
review
with
the
back
office,
and
if
you
are
outside
of
that
60-day
window,
you
can
no
longer
file
with
the
tac
office.
So
then
there
is
no
third
party.
A
There
is
no
higher
authority
to
review
this,
and
so
again
this
committee
would
allow
for
someone
who
you
know
90
days
after
they
were
denied
realized.
Oh
shucks,
I
think
I've
been
you
know
wronged
here
and
I
would
like
to
you
know,
have
a
review
of
this
matter.
The
only
option
that
they
would
have
is
to
file
a
court
case,
and
you
know,
go
through
what
could
be
expensive
legal
fees
and
filing
fees.
This
would
create
an
option
for
that
person.
A
Who
has
you
know,
61
days
after
they're
wrongfully
denied
an
item
come
back
or
have
that
come
to
a
committee
of
the
council
and
have
it
reviewed?
The
other
thing
is,
I
think,
that's
another
great
example
is
of
the
case
that
you
mentioned
there.
That's
in
court,
the
back
office
gave
a
non-binding
opinion
and
the
folks
still
filed
a
lawsuit.
So
apparently
the
records
weren't
turned
over
before
the
lawsuit
was
filed.
A
J
Yes,
I
did,
and
I
and
I
understand
your
opinion
about
this,
mr
chair,
but
I
call
the
question
well.
A
There's
no
there's
it's
just
discussion,
but
if
you-
but
you
can
call
for
the
end
of
debate
on
this
issue
as
well,
but.
H
A
I
think
I
think
the
next
step
for
this
is
for
the
next
rules
committee.
If
we
can
have
a
next
up
if
the
law
department
and
the
clerk
and
all
of
our
four
foia
officers
can
produce
a
foia
report,
I'm.
A
Report,
including
the
number
of
requests
over-
I
guess
the
last
year
period,
you
know
how
many
denials
we've
had,
maybe
the
most
common
denials
and
then
a
list
of
the
cases
that
have
recently
gone
to
court.
You
know
pac
opinions
and
appeals
for
the
last
year
or
so
for
the
last
two
years.
So
if
we
can
just
get
that
data
from
our
fourier
officers,
I
think
that
will
aid
in
this
discussion.
If
this,
I
think
that
will
definitely
come
back.
A
All
right
seeing
and
we
have
removed
two
items
from
the
agenda
that
will
appear
on
the
next
agenda,
seeing
no
further
business
before
the
rules
committee.
We
will
adjourn
and
council
will
start
in
10
minutes.