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A
Good
evening,
everyone
I'm
Judy
Fisk
I,
am
calling
the
Rules
Committee
meeting
to
order
it's
Monday
October
1st
2018,
it
is
6:08
p.m.
we
do
have
a
quorum
first
thing.
We're
going
to
do
is
have
citizen
comment.
We
have
four
folks
signed
up
so
they'll
each
get
three
minutes
apiece
the
first
one.
If
you
would
come
up
to
his
madona
Neil
Neil
moe,
if
I'm
pronouncing
that
correctly.
A
B
C
A
D
Hi
there
Mary
Beth
burns
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
tired
of
hearing
from
me,
so
I
will
try
to
make
this
brief.
There
are
three
things
I'd
like
to
touch
on
tonight:
I'm,
going
to
start
backwards
with
item
number
12,
which
is
the
the
conflict
of
interest
on
separate
committees.
I
just
would
like
to
comment
that
as
a
small
business
owner,
who
is
the
only
person
in
my
small
business
who
does
work
here
in
the
city
and
needs
to
have
needs
to
be
able
to
represent
themselves
in
front
of
various
boards
and
committees?
D
I
think
that
that
conflict
of
interest
presents
an
undue
burden
on
those
of
us
who
give
our
time
freely
to
the
city
on
whatever
boards
we
serve
on
and
I.
Think
that
it's
difficult
to
have.
Somebody
else
advocate
for
you
when
you
know
that
you
are
your
own
best
advocate,
and
so
having
me
have
to
hire
somebody
to
represent
me
in
front
of
other
boards
is,
is
an
undue
burden.
D
In
my
opinion,
number
two
is
going
back
to
item
11,
which
is
allowing
the
boards
and
commissions
committee
member
to
continue
with
an
expired
term
until
a
replacement
is
met.
I
can
answer
your
question
being
on
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals.
We
often
have
an
incredibly
difficult
time,
finding
additional
members,
and
so
for
many
months
we
were
without
a
quorum
because
we
didn't
have
that
extra
member.
So
in
this
case
there
was
nobody
who
would
step
up
who
wanted
to
be
part
of
the
board,
and
so
keeping
that
member
on
is
critical
and
I.
D
Think
that's
a
key
component
and
last
but
not
least,
and
I,
know
I'm
out
of
my
three
minutes.
But
if
you'll
give
me
a
second
here,
the
realignment
of
city
boards,
committees
and
commissions
combining
CBA
and
the
plan
commission
I
think
is
a
really
bad
idea
for
a
whole
host
of
reasons.
I've
got
more
than
my
three
minutes
will
allow,
but
it
sort
of
goes
the
gist.
D
Is
this
that
you're
really
consolidating
all
this
power
from
many
people
into
the
hands
of
much
many
fewer
people
and
in
a
city
like
Evanston,
where
there
are
competing
interests?
At
every
level,
I
think
that's
we
run
the
risk
of
running
into
some
trouble.
I
know
that
this
works
in
some
other
communities
that
are
smaller,
like
desplaines
and
and
other
cities
like
that,
but
I
think
in
Evanston,
with
its
unique
citizenry
I.
D
Think
that
that's
a
mistake
to
try
and
combine
those
I
also
think
that
you've
got
two
completely
different
audiences,
and
so,
when
you
get
a
front
yard
setback
coming
in
after
a
Planned
Unit
development
in
the
same
meeting,
I
think
that
you're
gonna
run
into
problems
with
people
complaining
about
what
those
meetings
are
alike.
Okay
and.
E
Hi
mr.
Wittenberg
Beth
Ward,
so
just
looking
at
the
agenda
list
for
this
meeting,
it's
a
little
concerning
a
lot
of
the
items
are
not
within
the
stated
jurisdiction
of
this
committee.
Some
of
them
are
within
councils,
but
not
this
committee
as
presented,
especially
not
when
items
referred
by
staff.
A
lot
of
them
are
give
the
appearance
of
encroaching
on
powers
of
independent
branches
of
this
government.
E
B
F
I'm
concerned
that
climate
and
energy
is
outside
of
the
considerations
of
zoning
in
planning
and
since
many
things,
especially
in
this
area,
are
interrelated.
In
that
regard,
I'd
like
to
see
zoning
put
in
a
group
that
is
dedicated
or
a
commission
or
yeah
a
group
that's
dedicated
to
having
some
harmony
in
the
situation
that
we
live
in
the
environment.
We
live
in
economic
vitality.
Is
all
I
see
it
as
jump
out
jobs,
I,
think
that
can
be
with
regard
that
can
be
included
in
terms
of
health
and
well-being.
F
I
think
health
and
well-being
should
be
separate.
Arts
and
Recreation
should
be
focusing
on
the
things
that
are
bringing
and
caught
it's
like
poetry,
it's
like
bringing
the
other
part
of
yourself,
the
spiritual
part
of
yourself
and
the
physical
spark
part
of
yourself
into
play,
and
national
systems
about
the
environment.
Again,
I
I
don't
see
the
focus
as
much
as
on
plants.
Is
there
anything
else?
F
F
Think
because
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
interrelate
with
regard
to
police
and
protection,
which
was
not
mentioned
into
protection
or
safety,
but
police
and
fire
and
the
rest
of
the
community
that
works
with
regard
to
people's
well-being
and
not
necessarily
when
you
call
it
looking
looking
for
the
rules
rather
than
the
reasons
and
trying
to
come
up
with
solutions.
So
I
think
this
is
an
attempt
to
do
something
that
it's
not
really
doing,
and
that's
my
only
comment.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
that
closes
citizen
comment
we'll
go
into
the
discussion
of
items
before
we
do
that,
I
I'm.
Obviously
the
new
chair
of
the
committee.
We
did
send
the
highest
staff
to
send
out
a
email
to
everyone.
If
there's
anything,
you
wanted
the
Rules
Committee
agenda
to,
let
us
know
so
I
think
we're
probably
up
to
date
on
everything
on
this
agenda,
which
is
a
good
place
to
start.
The
second
thing:
oops
I'm,
sorry.
A
The
second
thing
is
that
I'll
just
use
a
minute
to
make
a
reference
to
the
plan
Commission
on
residential
care
facilities
and
whether
or
not
correct
classification
of
special
use
would
be
appropriate.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
that
referral
was
who
has
made
this
evening
so
on
our
agenda
for
discussion
is
realignment
of
the
city
boards
committees
and
commissions
Johanna.
Would
you
like
to
do
presentation
our
city
manager
and.
G
While
she's
coming
up
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
good
evening,
we
are
at
the
final
stages
of
the
preparation
of
the
fiscal
year,
2019
proposed
budget
for
your
consideration
and
a
theme
that
has
resonated
with
the
city
staff.
As
we
have
worked
over
the
last
several
months
on
the
budget
was
the
issue
of
the
boards
and
commissions.
G
H
H
You
mr.
city
manager,
good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
Rules
Committee,
so
that
while
I
well
I
covered
quite
a
bit
of
this
I,
think
whenever
I
did
this
I
counted
43,
so
I
hope
we
haven't
added
two
since
then,
or
maybe
we
have
and
I
didn't
count
one
correctly
but
we're
in
the
40s
in
our
in
terms
of
our
boards
committees
and
commissions.
So
this
is
going
to
propose,
as
the
staff
MO
highlights,
take
17
and
move
it
into
eight
boards,
amazing
commissions
and
this
sort
of
list.
H
Some
of
the
notes
that
city
manager
just
pointed
out,
but
I'll
stress
the
the
piece
of
the
star
metrics.
We
collect
a
lot
of
data
that
we
then
filter
through
to
report
to
star
to
say
how
do
we
measure
up
to
other
communities?
How
do
we
measure
up
to
this
nationally
recognized
system
of
sustainability
of
livability?
What
happens
to
those
metrics?
Some
of
them
live
in
open,
Evanston
org.
Some
of
them
live
in
different
files
throughout
the
city.
H
But
how
do
we
make
sure
that
those
that
information
is
out
to
the
broader
community
and
it
is
accessible
and
discussed?
And
reported,
and
and
given
the
proper
evanston
review
and
scrubbing
that
we
know
or
we're
all
very
proud
of
so
just
a
couple
other
notes,
I
think
something
I've
discovered,
and
maybe,
if
you
look
through
the
the
minutes
of
different
committee
packets,
that
everyone
wants
to
hear
a
lot
of
the
same
things
they
want
to
hear
about
priority-based
budgeting.
They
want
to
hear
about
the
CIP.
They
want
to
hear
about
a
different
project.
H
Specific
a
specific
project
and
different
people
in
the
organization
give
different
versions
of
a
presentation
all
all
correct
and
and
informative.
But
this
is
a
way
to
help
streamline
some
of
that
as
well.
Right
of
those
17
boards
and
committee
committees
and
commissions,
there's
a
hundred
participants
and
balancing
that
against
32,000
Evanston
households.
Where
are
we?
Are
we
reaching
all
the
parts
of
Evanston
and
is
our
ports?
If
we
look
at
it
from
our
boards
committees
and
commissions,
a
way
to
inform
people,
or
are
they
informing
us?
H
So
thinking
about
that
that
number
and
that
ratio
consistent
approach
as
I
just
mentioned?
How
do
we
we
move
through
this
efficiently
and
take
that
that
vibrant
livability
metric
that
we're
trying
to
reach
and
then
out
as
a
I'll,
just
mention
as
a
communal
met
director
I?
Have
staff?
That's
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
preparing
going
to
meetings
following
up
on
things
for
meetings
and
particularly
for
committee
development
when
we're
trying
to
do
get
through
the
busy
season
of
construction.
H
We
have
zoning
staff,
that's
tied
up
in
meetings,
doing
the
work
of
the
city,
but
some
of
those
simple
reviews
build
up
the
time
over
time
builds
up
as
the
volume
grows
in
the
summer.
So
staff
time
and
meeting
preparations
are
pretty
significant.
We
also
engage
pretty
extensively
in
a
lot
of
other
ways
through
board
meetings
through
community
meetings,
news,
not
news,
setters,
newsletters
and
and
social
media,
so
I'll
just
go
through
the
four.
The
I
think
everyone's
read
the
memo,
but
purple
is
created
from
blue
and
red.
H
So
that's
kind
of
the
format
here
back
to
my
toddler
time.
We're
learning
colors
right
now,
so
the
built
environment
Commission
takes
into
into
account
public
spaces.
Air
quality
like
like
noise
pollution,
comprehensive
planning.
So
taking
the
things
that
address
built,
environment,
transportation
of
parking
committee,
housing
and
homelessness,
Commission
the
parks
portion
of
the
parks
and
recreation
board
and
the
lighthouse
learning
complex
into
a
built
environment
Commission
that
would
deal
with
the
policy
and
some
of
the
regulatory
issues
related
to
all
of
these
things,
things
in
red.
H
We
often
don't
report
or
or
manage
through
a
public
body.
So
this
would
be
some
additional
work.
Health,
the
Health
and
Safety
Commission
takes
that
I'm
in
one
emergency
telephone
system,
the
Animal,
Welfare
Board
and
the
mental
health
board
and
builds
upon
particular
the
work
of
the
mental
health
board
and
bringing
some
of
the
public
health
programs
that
we
we
provide
in
our
work.
Access
to
healthy
food,
which
is
some
of
the
work
that
we
do
in
health,
Human,
Services,
violence,
prevention
and
resiliency.
H
Resiliency
is
a
theme
throughout
star,
but
in
particular
there's
stress
about
that
in
in
health
and
safety,
commission,
arts
and
recreation
board.
This
pulls
the
Arts
Council,
the
Commission
on
Aging,
the
Recreation
portion
of
the
Parks
and
Rec
board,
and
then
the
three
items
for
the
star
goal
areas
are
support.
Social
cultural
diversity,
promote
a
cohesive
and
connected
community
and
cradle
to
career,
and
when
I
gave
this
this
presentation,
just
some
of
my
colleagues
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
I
used
this.
H
As
the
flip
of
we
address
the
things
that
we
do
in
the
in
the
built
environment,
to
build
a
strong
and
vibrant
public
space
and
community
space.
But
then
how
we
program
it
and
how
we
utilize
it
to
bring
together
the
specialness
and
and
the
cohesiveness
that
is
Evanston
is,
is
what
would
happen
in
a
group
like
this
economy
and
jobs.
The
Economic
Development
Committee
and
the
MWBE
committee
come
together
and
and
take
on
a
greater
emphasis
on
workforce
and
green
jobs
and
businesses
in
the
economic,
vitality
and
Workforce
Commission.
H
These
are
all
working
names
by
the
way,
if
they're
too
long
or
we
need
to
work
on
that
climate
and
Energy
Commission
includes
the
essentially
the
Utilities
Commission
and
then
some
of
the
work
of
the
Environment
board.
The
red
are
things
that
both
groups
seem
to
address,
but
improve
energy
and
water
efficiency,
reduce
material
waste,
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
green
energy
supply.
H
Natural
systems
Commission
again
brings
in
some
of
the
environment
board
and
lighthouse
Landing
complex
committee,
as
well
as
management
of
invasive
species,
protective
restore
natural
ecosystems
and
working
lands,
so
things
like
edible
acre
and
that
the
work
that
groups
like
that
are
doing,
equity
and
empowerment,
Commission
is
is
borrowed.
Our
newest
Commission
would
would
add
in
elements
of
housing
and
homelessness,
Commission,
age-friendly
task
force,
human
service
programs,
Community
Engagement
and
poverty
prevention
and
alleviation,
and
finally,
the
last
one.
H
G
If
any
of
this
makes
sense
to
you,
I
think
from
a
staff
perspective,
many
of
these
boards
and
commissions
vary
widely
in
the
work
that
they
do
vary
widely
in
the
agenda
and
mandate
that
they
have
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
we're
most
concerned
about
is
making
sure
that
individuals
who
volunteer
for
boards
and
commissions
feel
that
they
are
substantively
involved
in
good
works
to
support
the
community,
and
we
think
that
some
of
these
changes
again
I
think
Johanna.
You
said
this
was
taking.
G
Was
it
17
to
8
17
to
8
17
to
8,
so
there
there
are
still
many
boards
and
commissions
that
we
are
not
proposing
any
changes
to.
So
you
know
20
odd,
so
that's
an
important
point
as
well.
So
this
is
not
meant
to
take
down
everything
we
do
to
8.
It's
merely
a
matter
to
go
from
a
relatively
large
number
now
to
perhaps
a
more
meaningful
number
that.
A
I
A
general
proposition
I
think
it
makes
some
sense
I'm
certain
that
the
the
boards
and
commissions
are
gonna,
want
it.
We're
gonna
weigh
in
I
heard
from
a
few
of
them
already,
so
I
would
suggest
that
we
present
this
material
to
them
and
ask
them
for
some
sort
of
report
or
feedback
on
a
you
know,
committee
by
our
Commission
by
Commission
basis,
so
that
we
have
something
tangible
that
we
can
go
through
as
opposed
to
I.
I
Don't
want
to
just
leave
it
to
anybody,
of
course,
can
come
at
public
comment,
but
I'd
only
just
leave
it
to
that.
Where
we
have,
you
know
40
people
showing
up
with
you
know
only
a
couple
of
minutes.
I'd
rather
have
them
sit
down.
Go
through.
I
didn't
tell
us
what
what
does
or
doesn't
make
sense
the
only
one
that
does
give
me
some
pause
right
off
the
right
off.
The
bat
is
the
plan
commission
zoning
board
both
of
those
can
no
more.
I
They
can
be
labor-intensive
if
developments
going
on
so
to
kind
of
force
them
to
take
on
that
love
of
additional
time.
Commitment
is
significant
and
then
the
Zoning
Board
is
also
it's
a
determining
body
in
a
lot
of
instances.
So
I
don't
want
to
put
that
put
that
group
or
that
that
board
in
in
pain,
potential
conflict
with
what
the
Planning
Commission
might
do
in
a
you
know,
a
project.
Could
you
know,
be
in
one
venue
and
end
up
in
another
venue
and
you
might
have
a
you'd
want
separation.
I
You
want
to
wait,
wouldn't
want
the
same
people
looking
at
it
in
two
different
contexts.
That
makes
sense.
So
that's
my
and
sense.
So
maybe
if
we
had
them
do
that
put
that
together-
and
you
know
something
you
know
by
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
we
can
regroup
on
that.
You
know
after
the
first
of
the
year.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I
shared
this
with
Johanna
I
recognize
that
this
is
a
continuation
of
a
process
or
a
conversation.
We
started
maybe
two
years
ago,
I
too
wish
that
we
would
have
had
a
heads
up
whether
a
conversation
with
notification
to
committee
chairs,
especially
for
the
ones
that
you
selected,
and
so
my
question
is,
while
you
and
the
city
manager
are
presenting
this,
did
you
have
an
opportunities
to
peak
to
any
members
of
the
staff
and
I'm
just
curious
to
know
if
anyone
from
Council
was
notified
or
weighed
in
on
this
presentation,.
H
Put
we
actually
in
in
the
spirit
of
not
giving
boards
committees
and
commissions
peek
at
this
before
the
council.
We
we
put,
the
packet
was
posted
and
then
we
it's
staff
for
most
of
these
boards
committees
and
commissions
caught
try
to
reach
the
chairs
to
let
them
know
after
the
packet
was
posted,
but.
G
J
J
Comments,
I
think
the.
If
you
go
back
to
the
equity
empowerment,
that's
the
first
one
that
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
actually
had
an
opportunity
for
the
first
time
to
sit
through
one
of
their
committee
meetings
and
I.
Think
we've
not
only
with
our
city
of
Evanston
but
district,
65
and
city.
Why
we're
putting
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
equity
and
they
talked
when
you
sit
on
that
committee
as
well?
They
talked
about
it.
J
You
know
the
framework
for
quite
some
time
and
I
think
for
a
committee
like
that,
because
it's
such
a
new
initiative
I
would
want
to
see
them
stay
independent
before
being
absorbed
with
a
whole
host
of
other
issues.
So
I
don't
know
what
our
time
frame
and
I'm
sure
we'll
come
up
with.
You
know
some
type
of
process
for
prioritizing
these,
but
I
just
want
to
make
note
that
please
feel
free
to
speak
up
and
you
serve
on
that
committee.
J
I
think
that
that's
one
that
I
would
want
to
see
develop
their
own
sense
of
independence
and
then
my
second
point:
there's
a
follow.
Top
woman
Wilson's
comment
says
you
know
the
MWBE
again,
I!
Think
that
that's
a
committee
that
we
are
really
weeding
into
a
lot
of
details-
and
we
have
an
amazing
group
of
volunteers
that
are
committed
to
that
work-
we
have
an
amazing
number
of
staff
supporting
it.
I
would
not
want
to
see
that
combined
with
economic
development
at
any
time
in
the
future.
Those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you.
A
K
A
K
First
I'd
like
to
thank
John
for
all
of
the
the
thought
and
time
that
you
put
into
this
I
know.
I
think
that
this
is
I.
I
agree
with
some
of
the
point
you
made,
especially
about
equity
and
empowerment,
they're,
just
really
cool
crystallizing.
More
of
our
thinking
on
that.
But
I
I
do
think
that
this
is.
K
We
need
to
start
thinking
in
this
direction
more
because
we,
you
know
it's
too
often
we
do
see
the
effects
of
siloing,
even
though
we're
such
a
small
community
that
we
do
have
the
issue
of
it's
something
has
worked
on
in
one
commission
and
then
it's
also
worked
under
another
commission
and
they're,
not
communicating
with
each
other
and
and
they
need
to
be
or
working
together,
I
mean
the
other
issue
that
we
have
as
Miss
Burns
was
saying.
Is
we
have
trouble
finding
people
to
serve?
K
People
are
getting
busier
and
busier,
and
it's
harder
and
harder
to
find
people
to
serve.
So
you
know
I
think
this
is
this
is
a
direction
we
should
move
in.
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
we
adopt
the
things
that
that
are
presented
here,
but
I
think
it
should
spark
us
to
start
thinking
about
ways
that
we
should
reorganize,
because
we
do
have
an
enormous
amount
of
staff
time
that
goes
into
this
and
and
we
have
to
be
judicious
and
how
we
use
our
staff
time.
You
know
so
that's
one
aspect,
I
do
think.
K
Efficiency
is
really
important
here
and
the
effects
the
positive
effects
that
we
get
from
cross
marketing.
It's
the
wrong
word.
But
by
combining
these
various
interests,
I
was
on
the
environment
board.
We
always
heard
about
the
Utilities
Commission
way
back
when
we
used
to
talk
about
how
we
actually
should
serve
on
the
same
board
frequently
because
the
issues
overlapped
so
much
but
I.
You
know
I
think
that
obviously
some
issues
that
we
develop,
we
might
want
to
have
utilized
task
force
task
forces
for
for
a
specialty
issue.
K
So
you
don't
necessarily
have
someone
who's
committed
to
a
four-year
term
or
a
three-year
term.
But
who
has
a
great
deal
of
interest
and
a
particular
issue
can
really
help
the
city
work
on
that
to
some
extent
so
I.
You
know
I
have
comments
to
make,
but
I
think
this
is
a
good
start
and
I
think
we.
This
is
we're
not
going
to
solve
it
in
a
couple
of
meetings.
We're
gonna
move
towards
this
and
I.
Think
hearing
back
from
the
committee's
themselves
will
be
very
helpful.
H
In
my
research,
it
doesn't
look
like,
like
other
communities,
have
taken
the
leap
to
combine
its
something
that
it
blazed
in
the
trail
that
we
would
be.
We
would
be
the
leaders
as
we
like
to
be
right,
so
we
we
don't
there
I
look
to
the
to
the
usual
suspects
of
people
we
like
to
to
look
to
see
if
we're
following,
and
they
still
have
the
separation.
They
also
don't
have
as
many
boards
committees
and
commissions
as
we
do,
but
they,
but
they
don't
have
that
right
there
there
are
communities
and
again
we
haven't.
H
We
have
we've.
We've
just
come
up
with
the
let's
look
at
the
plan:
Commission's
EBA
combination,
so
we
can
talk
to
our
many
other
communities
have
started
to
look
at
this
and,
as
we
talk
to
other
planners
and
other
communities,
that's
something
that
they're
internally
starting
to
discuss,
because
a
little
bit
of
staff
resources
and
ability
to
to
do
all
the
work
with
with
the
resources
is
challenging.
So
we
could.
We
could
certainly
augment
that
with
conversations
with
others.
Well,.
K
And
also
in
those
other
places
they
may
not
have
made
this.
You
know
they
may
never
have
gotten
to
43
and
then
had
to
streamline,
but
if
they
have
fewer
committees,
I
imagine
they're,
covering
similar
levels
of
tops
or
similar
areas
of
topics,
or
maybe
they
just
don't
have
a
committee
for
every
topic.
I
think.
H
There's
a
little
bit
I
think
there's
also.
We
we've
embraced
our
from
very
strongly
from
the
beginning,
so
we
were
one
of
the
first
communities
to
to
certify
we.
We
are
the
first
committee
to
certify
under
the
updated
certification
of
2.0
for
our
four
star
rating,
so
I
I
think
we've
really
paved
the
way
to
be
the
leader
on
this,
so
I
don't
think
anyone
else
has
come
up
with
with
this
pattern,
but
I
there's
always
interest
in
what
Evanston
is
doing
and
we
get
asked
that
from
other
community's
pretty
regularly.
H
K
Chair
say
one
word:
I
mean
I
I.
Think
in
order
to
keep
us
moving,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
the
rest
of
the
Rules
Committee
currently
thinks,
but
I
think
in
order
to
keep
the
discussion
moving,
we
should
perhaps
set
a
return
date
to
the
Rules
Committee
to
hear
what
we,
what
the
the
various
boards
and
commissions
have
said
about
this
and
to
further
our
discussion.
L
K
M
Think
you
I
have
a
couple
concerns
about
the
committee's
in
terms
of
the
ones
that
are
look
to
be
put
together,
so
I
think
I
share
the
concern
for
the
equity
and
empowerment
that
they're
trying
to
find
their
footing
and
so
to
have
them.
Do
something
else,
might
kind
of
set
us
back
a
little
bit
on
our
equity
go
to
mental
health
poor,
since
they
currently
are
still
funding
agencies.
I
would
be
concerned
about
having
the
elf
Animal,
Welfare
Board
and
the
9-1-1
system
merged
into
that.
M
It's
just
I,
definitely
think
43's,
maybe
too
many,
particularly
when
I
hear
from
citizens
who
either
I've
been
trying
to
get
on
one
for
a
long
time-
and
you
know
there's
maybe
not
as
much
Turner
turnover
on
the
committee
they're
looking
for
or
that
we
do
have
people
who
are
serving
maybe
more
terms
we
want,
because
we
don't
have
enough
people
or
we
hear
I,
know
and
I
was
on
the
housing
board.
They
were
concerned
that
they
didn't
necessarily
have
enough
work
to
do
so.
M
I
know
that
there
is
need
to
look
at
this
and
address
that
from
this
point.
I
guess.
My
bigger
question,
though,
is
doing
this
under
the
star
or
doing
this
to
kind
of
align
further
with
star.
You
know,
I
understand,
star
and
I
know
that
that's
something
we
use,
but
I
guess
at
some
point.
I
would
like
us
kind
of
just
to
discuss
if
we
feel
like
we
should
be
using
star.
M
If
that's,
you
know,
if
it
in
lines
with
our
purpose
as
a
city
as
we
look
at
our
budget
and
as
we
think
about
staff
time,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
much
staff
time
goes
into
that,
but
looking
at
their
website,
they
have
a
little
bit
over
70
communities
and
I've.
Just
I
guess
want
us
to
just
think
about
more
as
a
city
should
we
be
aligning?
Should
we
be
following
star
standards?
Is
that
something
that
we
are
so
didn't?
A
N
So,
first
thank
you
to
staff
for
putting
this
together.
It's
very
thought-provoking
just
second,
you
know,
building
on
Alderman
Fleming's
comments.
It
does
sound
like.
Maybe
we
need
a
for
us
on
the
council,
a
review
of
the
star
community's
framework
I
think
when
we
looked
at
it
initially,
it
was
really
a
very
thoughtful
comprehensive
look
at
the
many
different
elements
that
go
into
making
a
community
truly
liveable
and
I.
What
I'm
certainly
hopeful
that
when
we
look
at
it
again
that
we'll
want
to
say
that
this
is
something
we
want
to
continue
to
work
towards.
A
H
L
I
find
it
very
difficult
and
I
think
I
heard
others
saying
implying
this
in
their
comments
that
it's
it's
just
too
much
to
come
up
with
a
policy
statement
regarding
all
of
this
over
20
pages
tonight,
it's
an
hour-and-a-half
meeting
and
we
have
a
very
business.
So
it's
really
just
too
much,
regardless
of
how
many
few
days
we've
had
this
to
look
at
I.
L
L
Also,
the
plan
commission
and
zoning
committee
keep
it
separate
and
I
heard
directly
from
the
mental
health
board,
saying
that
they
find
it
absolutely
they're
incredulous
that
they
would
be
combined
with
the
9-1-1
committee
and
the
animal
shelter
that
they
really.
They
really
are
a
the
woman
that
called
me
from
the
board.
L
It
was
appalled
and
I
assured
her
that
I
would
work
hard
with
my
fellow
Alderman's
Ravel's,
not
to
happen
and
I'm
sure
they
have
lots
of
very
cogent
reasons
for
that,
but
it
seems
it
seems
very
come
since
that
they
would
not,
and
mainly
like
Aldrin
Fleming
said
they
do
funding
and
they
they
do
have
issues
regarding
food
and
nutrition
sure,
and
so
this
Community
Development
Block.
That
and
I
must
say
there
are
people
out
there
who
want
to
serve
on
committees
but
aren't
being
given
a
chance.
O
O
We
have
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions,
so
we
have
an
engaged
public,
but
I
do
think,
based
on
looking
at
other
cities
and
just
the
the
vast
variety
of
boards
and
commissions
that
we
have
that,
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
streamline
to
reduce
the
amount
of
staff,
time
and
support.
We
have
lots
of
needs
in
this
community
and
if
all
every
single
one
requires
support.
O
Just
so
I
am
supportive
of
this
idea.
I
appreciate
that
you
have
a
framework
I
like
a
framework,
and
you
know
I,
think
the
star
system
that
the
city's
adopted
for
a
while
is
is
a
good
framework
in
which
to
look,
but
you
could
use
another
framework,
so
I
just
really
care
about
a
framework
and
a
methodology.
So
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
that
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
all
the
different
iterations
and
what
you
did
other
than
to
say
I
share
the
concern
that
others
expressed
up
here.
O
Just
about
zba
and
planning
I
mean
to
me.
Those
are
two.
You
know
really
big
committees
with
large
work
workload
and
so
I'm,
just
not
sure
how
those
two
get
combined
and
in
a
city
like
ours
I
would
be
interested
in
the
just.
So
we
could
see
a
list.
The
next
time
I
mean
I.
Look
at
tonight.
It's
just
the
first
discussion
that
we're
having
on
this
and
I
would
hope
in
2019.
O
We'd
really
get
some
additional
information
here
from
the
the
members
of
the
boards
and
the
committees
and
from
the
public
and
and
see
if
there's
opportunities
to
consolidate,
but
I
would
be
interested
in
the
next
time
around
the
list
of
the
other
26,
okay
and
then
the
other
thing
that
would
be
interesting.
What
I
found
is
mayor
with
all
these
different
boards
is
ordinances
for
each
one
and
the
one
that
just
struck
me
as
an
awfully
long
term
was
Parks
and
Rec
it's
five
years.
O
O
You
know
effective,
well,
I
think
all
the
boards
are
effective,
but
but
let's
just
remember
to
this
council
has
not
been
shy
when
necessary
to
appoint
a
task
force
or
an
ad-hoc
board,
which
has
a
really
defined
mission
in
purpose
and
I.
Think
lots
of
residents
appreciate
that
too,
because
you
can
commit
for
okay
I'll,
do
this
for
a
year
and
know
that
there's
an
end
date.
That's
why
I
did
hardly
Clark,
because
I
knew,
after
being
on
that
advisory
board.
We'd
be
all
done
with
the
issue.
So
all
right.
That
concludes
my
remarks.
P
You
so
this
makes
sense.
I
do
continue
to
have
concerns
about
who
is
representing
the
community
on
these
boards
and
commissions.
I've
asked
for
a
report
on
broken
down
by
Ward
I
think
that
we
can
do
more
outreach
to
make
sure
that
all
communities
are
represented,
especially
on
the
committee's
on
certain
committees.
P
G
Me,
let
me
take
a
quick
stab
at
that.
You
know
the
city
of
Evanston
is
boards
and
commissions
kind
of
fall
into
different
buckets.
Some
of
them
are
set
by
statute
outside
of
the
city,
so
of
the
land
use
boards,
for
example,
are
set
outside
the
city
code
plus
also
in
the
city
code,
so
they
have
adjudication
approval
roles
that
are
set,
and
so
that's
one
group
of
them.
There
are
another
group
that
have
specific
tasks
that
are
annual
the
housing
community
of
elven
a
committee.
G
They
do
not
allocate
dollars,
but
they
provide
advice
and
counsel
to
the
City
Council
on
various
matters.
So
I
think
they
all
fall
into
into
those
three
categories.
I
think
on
sheer
numbers,
the
majority
of
them
fall
into
the
third
category
and
I.
Think
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
war
does
not
have.
A
specific
work
plan
does
not
have
specific
responsibilities.
G
P
A
Okay,
so
if
I
can
just
take
a
moment
here,
I
generally
agree
with
everyone
that
that
this
needs
much
more
vetting
and
going
to
the
sources
is
a
very
good
idea.
I
think
the
idea
of
a
task
force
is
is
what
I
would
be
interested
in
as
well.
I
do
want
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
travel
from
the
city
manager
about
staffs
the
time
that
staff
spends
with
the
boards
and
commissions
how
staff
is
reimbursed
for
their
time,
whether
it's
they
receive
time
off
for
the
evenings
that
they
spend
generally.
A
What?
How
is
that
impacted
on
the
other
work
that
we
ask
them
to
do
so?
I
was
struck
by
something
that
Johanna
said
about
how
various
boards
and
commissions
can
have
asked
similar
questions
and
get
maybe
slightly
different
answers
depending
on
who
is
staffing
them
there.
There
must
be
a
way
to
streamline
that
and
still
provide
the
kind
of
service
to
the
committee's
that
we
have
that
we
have
been
doing
so
I
mr.
city
manager,
as
part
of
our
continuing
conversation,
I
guess
I
would
like
a
little
bit
more
about
the
staff
at
staff.
G
Certainly
Johanna,
you
can
help
me
keep
track
of
that
and
I
think
the
answer
is
all
over
the
place.
The
there
are
many
exempt
staff
members
that
staff
boards
and
commissions.
So
there
is
no
overtime.
There
is
no
flex
time.
It
is
something
that
they
take
on,
above
and
beyond
their
responsibilities.
We
have
a
mystery
of
staff
that
take
minutes
and
notes.
Often
that
is
done
on
overtime.
G
G
Sometimes,
but
mostly
not
I
mean
really,
she
has
been
supporting
MS
French,
tell
no
and
and
the
mayor
just
on
the
the
churn
that
is
appointing
filling
the
vacancies
of
their
boards
and
commissions.
So
so,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I,
think
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
is
that
you
would
like
us
to
continue
to
at
least
examine
these
issues
with
the
Rules
Committee
meeting
every
other
month.
I
think
the
month
of
February
would
make
sense
for
us
to
come
back
with
some
initial
thoughts.
G
I
think
we
go
back
to
the
boards
and
commissions
themselves.
We
purposely
didn't
stop
started
here,
since
you
are
the
appointing
bodies,
but
I
also
heard
that
perhaps
the
CBA
plan,
Equity
empowerment,
are
perhaps
on
the
lower
end
of
this,
so
I
think
we'll
reach
out
to
everyone.
But
I
just
want
to
communicate
back
to
you
that
that
message
has
been
clearly
heard
and
we
will
not
spend
a
lot
of
time
requiring
those
groups
to
justify
why
they
believe
they
should
be
the
way
they
are,
but
I
think.
G
G
G
Money,
the
money
allocating
I
will
say,
though,
that
as
your
city
manager,
I
am
concerned
that
we
don't
do
more
with
health.
Well,
you're
gonna
see
the
budget
on
Friday
there
we
are
gonna,
be
recommending
some
change
in
the
services
department,
but
from
a
policy
perspective,
especially
if
we're
going
to
be
having
reduced
resources
in
that
area.
Knowing
what's
important
to
the
larger
community
in
the
area
is
important.
So
if
not
through
something
like
this
with
the
Mental
Health
Board,
then
you
know
perhaps
there's
another
mechanism
to
do
that.
A
G
G
B
O
Why
don't
we
do
that?
Because
I
talk
to
Kimberly
Richardson
earlier
as
well?
He
said
she
is
really
quarterbacking
all
of
these
43
commissions
and
she
said
there
had
been
a
vacancy,
so
the
question
for
us
was:
does
someone
else
want
to
serve
on
it
or
she
asked
if
we
would
pass
a
motion
to
make
it
just
one
alderman
positioned
and
then
that
would
reduce
the
number
for
quorum.
A
L
B
B
G
L
A
O
A
G
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
an
item
that
had
been
previously
referred
to.
The
committee
of
Bashan
ASIC
up
the
corporation
council
has
a
memorandum
here
in
the
packet
explaining
the
various
responsibilities
we're
here
to
see.
If
the
council
wishes
to
make
any
changes
to
this
policy
and
City
Clerk's
also
here
and
may
wish
to
make
comment.
First,.
I
Okay,
well,
I,
I,
guess
a
couple
things
we
had
conversations
about
the
forum
previously.
What
I
guess
I'd
prefer
to
see
is
maybe
a
red
line
version
of
what
it's
gonna
look
like.
So
we
can
see
how
its
marked
up
there
were
a
few
reservations
I
had
about
the
way
it
was
drafted
previously,
for
example,
it
said
things
like
you
know:
you
information.
I
R
R
I
So
I
long
with
the
redline
version
of
the
actual
form
I'd
like
our
Council
for
the
next
meeting
I
think
this
will
have
to
come
back
in
the
next
media
right
to
kind
of
weigh
on
in
this.
But
I
do
have
some
significant
reservations
about
you
know
the
there's
got
to
be
a
balance,
so
you
know
somebody
who
signs
up
to
be
on.
You
know
the
9-1-1
committee,
you
don't
want
the
stalker
coming
and
getting
like.
I
R
Under
the
FOIA
law,
so
it's
addressed
in
statutes
elsewhere,
but
and
also
but
I
do
agree
that
it.
We
should
ensure
that
folks,
who
there's
a
balance
between
ensuring
that
folks
who
are
deciding
to
participate
on
boards
and
committees,
feel
comfortable
doing
that.
But
there's
also
you
know
the
Public
Interest
to
ensure
that
folks
who
are
participating
on
those
boards
and
committees
don't
have
a
conflict
of
interest
in
their
service.
One.
I
Things
like
the,
for
example,
the
fact
that
I
own
a
house,
you
know
that
presents
the
potential
conflict.
So
if
I'm
seeking
zoning
relief
for
the
house
or,
if
I
own,
another
property,
so
that
has
to
get
disclosed
because
I'm
a
decision
maker
but
I,
you
know,
and
that
does
not
exempt
from
from
FOIA
but
yeah
I.
Think
the
same
thing
is
likely
to
apply
to
you
know:
border
commission
members,
so
it
just
has
to
be
carefully
done
so
that
we're
not
you
know
putting
somebody
in
an
inappropriately.
J
Thank
you
and
I
shared
these
comments
directly
with
the
clerk.
I
just
remind
you
that
we
are
a
council
and
so
I
appreciate
you
putting
forth
your
recommendations
and
I
think
a
court
just
repeating
what
Alden
Wilson.
We
now
have
an
opportunity
to
digest
it
and
I
hope
you
have
as
much
respect
for
our
opinion
and.
S
R
M
M
So
I
don't
know
if
how
many
words
we
want
to
put
on
this
form,
if
you
want
a
reference
kind
of
a
definition,
because
I
don't
want
people
to
one
think
well,
I
went
to
high
school
with
someone,
so
that's
a
conflict
or
you
know
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
on
what
the
conflicts
are.
Particularly.
We
talked
about
money.
If
you
rent,
you
know,
if
you
were
to
rent
a
home
for
me,
does
that
mean
you
have
a
conflict?
R
I
can
clarify
it,
so
the
answers
to
this
document
wouldn't
preclude
anyone
from
serving
on
any
border
commission
who
would
simply
allow
the
public
to
know
what
potential
conflicts
are.
So
in
a
specific
instance,
if
an
issue
arises,
they
can
recuse
themselves
in
that
issue
or,
if
it's
so
core
to
the
duties
of
the
board,
they
can
choose
to
not
serve
on
that
border
right.
M
E
M
R
A
R
A
R
A
S
B
A
G
R
Pretty
straightforward:
it's
been
as
opposed
to
a
piece
of
paper,
we're
looking
to
use
technology.
What
it
does
is
a
streamline
the
process.
The
mayor
can
receive
the
public
comment
she
directly
on
his
phone
and
immediately
know
how
many
folks
have
signed
up
it
for
my
office.
It
makes
record
in
the
minutes
a
bit
easier
because
folks,
instead
of
writing
their
name
and
also
for
the
mayor,
it
makes
it
a
bit
easier
to
call
folks
as
names
as
opposed
to
having
to
read
hard
to
read
handwriting.
It's
you
know
clearly
typed
it
also.
R
One
of
the
goals
that
I
have
is
to
include
a
few
optional
questions,
and
you
can't
require
folks
to
disclose
things
designed
for
public
comment,
but
currently,
on
the
paper
sheet,
we
have
a
column
for
Ward.
You
know
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
collect
some
data.
As
to
you
know
what
are
the
demographics
of
the
folks
that
are
coming
out
and
it
would
all
be
voluntary,
but
again
this
would
streamline
the
process.
R
It
would
be
an
optional
thing.
The
only
thing
you'd
be
required
to
submit
is
your
name
in
the
agenda
item
that
you're
looking
to
speak
to
and
if
you
so
choose
you
can
also
submit
what
Ward
you
live
in
or
your
ethnicity.
So
we
can
have
again
data
on
public
comment
and
see
how
that
you
know
be
able
to
track
trends
and
understand
how
folks
are
coming
out
and
what
brings
people
out.
I
Okay
yeah,
so
you
just
lost
something
with
the
tracking
trends.
I
have
a
lot
of
reservations
about
about
data
collection
and
I'd
share
with
you
before
one
of
the
still
really
really
worried
or
bothered
by
the
fact
that
that
the
the
clerk's
office
uploaded
voter
records,
voter
data,
voter
telephone
numbers,
we
didn't
do.
R
I
R
I
R
I
Not
it's
not
this.
Okay,
it's
not
I
feel
strongly
about
it's,
not
the
government's
job
to
do
that.
It's
if
somebody
wants
to
do
that
they
can,
but
the
government
shouldn't
be
doing
that
the
government
shouldn't
be
tracking
people's
political
activities.
So,
let's,
let's
say
somebody
comes
to
and
says
they
do.
A
FOIA
I
would
like
to
know
every
time
that
Don
Wilson
came
and
spoke
at
a
city
council
meeting
and
the
date
and
subject
matter
and
whatever
else
and
you've
got
these
data
fields.
R
That
point,
that
list
already
exists,
it's
the
public
comment
sheet.
The
only
difference
is
one
would
be
on
paper
and
one
would
be
an
electronic
database.
So
if
someone
could
come
in
and
it's
happened
before
I
think
miss
Gavin
who's
here
has
fired
a
public
comment
sign-in
sheet
and
we
have
to
turn
it
over
to
her.
But
someone
someone.
A
I
Concerned
about
the
compilation
of
data
on
our
citizens
and
our
residents
and
and
and
genj
you
know
we
might
not
be
using
it
for
a
subversive
purpose.
You
might
not
be
using
it
for
a
subversive
purpose:
you're,
probably
not
gonna,
be
the
clerk
forever,
so
five
or
ten
years
down
the
road.
We
don't
know
what
someone's
gonna
do
with
that
data
or
information.
So
you
know
it's
it's
it's
one
thing
to
have
information,
it's
another
thing:
to
compile
it
and
put
it
into
formats
and
to
track
trends
and
things
of
that
nature.
I,
don't
think!
I
R
R
Currently,
if
you
look
at
the
public
comments
sheet
as
it
exists
today,
we
already
asked
again:
it's
voluntary
for
someone's
ward
I
think
it's
very
beneficial
for
us
to
understand.
You
know
what
ward
someone
is
when
talking
to
an
issue.
I
think
it's
important
for
you
to
understand.
Maybe
what
Ward
folks
are
coming
from,
if
a
bunch
of
folks
from
the
fourth
ward
show
up
it
might
make
you
perk
your
is
up
a
bit
more
on
an
issue
and
so
we're
here
anyway.
R
M
Right
so
very
quickly,
I
don't
mind
the
electronic
sheet.
I
think
it
probably
in
my
opinion
is
helpful,
because
people
can't
always
get
here.
You
know
early
when
the
sheets
here
we
we
often
start
much
later
than
the
online.
You
know
calendar
has
us,
and
so,
if
someone
can
go
online,
they
know
they're
on
their
way.
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
mindful
about
a
turn-off
time
for
that
online
sign
up,
so
that
you
know
that
that's
that's.
M
M
B
K
O
K
M
You,
let
me
finish:
please
I,
don't
know
how
the
FOIA
sheets
are
used
now,
in
terms
of
I
mean
how
the
sign-in
sheets
are
used
now
in
terms
of
FOIA
I,
just
I,
guess
I,
don't
want
to
see
spreadsheets
and
I'm.
Assuming
you
would
not
do
this.
You
know
people's
names
and
who
came
to
speak
about
what
thing
and
what
other
thing
I.
M
Also
I,
guess
I'm
concerned
about
those
kind
of
hot-button
topics
that
you
know
that
people
will
come
in
employ
or
whoever
spoke
on,
Harley
Clark
or
whatever
the
topic
is
and
then
somehow
or
another
those
people
either.
That
would
preclude
people
from
speaking
because
they
don't
want
to
be
on
the
anti
hardly
clerk
list
or
that
those
people
would
be.
You
know,
harassed
at
some
other
point,
because
they
did
sign
up
to
speak
so
I.
M
R
I
might
address
that.
Currently,
if
you
look
at
the
minutes,
the
minutes
and
one
we
keep
a
video
of
what's
done
here.
So
anyone
at
any
point
on
their
own
could
compile
a
list
of
you
know
you
come
here.
You
announce
your
name
and
you
give
your
public
comments.
So
it's
it's
already
in
the
public
sphere.
It's
also
recorded
in
the
minutes,
so
that
list
could
be
compiled
by
anyone
just
by
going
and
looking
at
the
minutes.
R
A
Yeah
help
help
is
definitely
going
to
be
needed.
We
need
to
move
this
along
Mary
Hegarty,
then
alderman,
Winn,
Halder
and
Braithwaite,
and
then
alder
and
suffer
down
I'll.
K
Aldermen
win
well,
I
guess
my
question
was
was
well.
It
was
one
thing
to
point
out
that
for
years
people
did
we
did
require
people
unknowing
to
give
I
mean
unknowingly,
that
it
was
not
not
legal
to
give
their
address,
and
then
we
stopped
so
because
you
know
it's
actually
for
very
good
reasons,
I
thought
and
because,
as
soon
as
you
hear
someone's
addressed,
you
make
a
judgment
or
some
people
might
so
no
I
thought
it
was
actually
interesting
to
how
different
is
citizen
coming.
It
was
when
we
didn't
have
someone
give
their
address.
K
And
you
know,
and
I
also
share
the
concerns
about
data
gathering.
You
know
there's
already
in
the
world
there's
too
much
of
our
data,
that's
being
gathered
for
purposes
that
we
don't
know
I'm
I'm
a
suspicious
person
about
that
type
of
thing.
I
I
would
like
the
government
not
to
gather
data
on
me
if.
R
I
may
the
clarify
it's
all
voluntary.
It's
just
an
option.
The
two
questions
that
I
want
to
ask
her
about
your
ward
and
your
ethnicity.
It's
an
optional.
The
only
thing
you're
required
is
give
your
name
your
agenda
item
and
then
the
rest.
It
would
be
the
other
two
questions
to
be
optional
if
it
is
of
a
great
import
to
the
committee,
I'm,
fine,
dropping
the
ethnicity
and
moving
forward.
J
I'll
I'll
be
brief
and
again
to
the
clerk,
I
and
I
appreciate
and
enjoy
the
energy
and
an
innovation
that
you're
bringing
to
the
office.
I
remind
you
that
we're
a
council-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
experiences
that
are
behind
this
dais
and
when
you
come
with
these
wonderful
ideas,
I
just
ask
that
you
give
the
courtesy
to
the
members
of
council
and
just
listen
to
feedback.
J
J
My
concern
is
when
you
have
the
hot
topics
and
people
would
flood
whatever
the
internet
channel
is
and
not
show
up
in
somehow
displace
the
folks
that
are
here
so
love
the
fact
of
submitting
comments,
not
big
fan
of
folks
being
able
to
crowd
their
names
in
ahead
of
time
and
then
not
show
up,
particularly
when
we
have
those
hot
topics.
So
that's
my
feedback
for
you.
T
If
we
basically
had
an
electronic
version
of
the
existing
sign-in
sheet
and
then
a
lot
of
people
that
opted
in
to
receive
an
email
from
you
asking
those
questions
later
so
they're
not
answering
them
at
the
time
they
signed
in
for
public
comment,
and
they
can
consider
whether
or
not
they
would
like
to
give
you
that
information.
I,
don't
know
if
that
solves
your
problem
other
than
Wilson
it.
B
I
R
The
data
gathering
part
is
something
that
I'm
interested
in
I,
think
you
know
any
fortune,
500
company
and
who
would
collects.
You
know
metrics
on
their
constituents.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
who's
coming
out.
I'm!
Fine,
dropping!
You
know
the
ethnicity
of
folks
if
that
is
of
great
concern,
although
it's
I
think
quite
apparent
to
folks.
If
you
just
look
at
the
video
with
someone's
ethnicity,
is
we.
A
L
J
A
M
L
M
M
M
A
M
O
A
G
L
L
A
G
It's
been
my
experience
that
after
eleven
o'clock
or
so,
decision-making
becomes
difficult
for
any
City,
Council
and
so
I.
Would
we
pretend
there's
some
information
for
what
other
communities
do
around
the
country?
My
sense
is
that
it
perhaps
if
there
was
a
rule
that
at
eleven
o'clock,
if
the
council
was
still
meeting,
that
the
council
would
pause,
review
the
agenda
and
make
decisions
as
to
how
much
further
after
eleven
o'clock
the
council
wanted
to
continue.
A
I
The
work
will
still
need
to
get
done
and
I
think
the
likely
result
would
be
is
that
we
would
have
to
come
back
for
yet
another
meeting.
If
anybody
happened
to
be
interested
in
that
they
would
have
to
also
show
up
at
another
meeting
and
I.
Think
just
with
with
the
idea
that
you
are,
you
know,
have
this
option
to
roll
it
over
it.
Just
it's
going
to
be
too
easy
to
roll
it
over.
So
I
just
think
things
will
will
pile
up
and
will
not
get
stuff
done.
I
L
If
that
is
the
case,
then
ending
a
meeting
at
11
o'clock
means
we're
not
able
to
do
the
city's
business,
and
so
I
would
recommend
that
we
have
another
survey
as
to
when
our
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
began
and
then
take
a
look
at
requiring
our
meetings
to
begin
certain
time,
as
opposed
to
when
our
meeting
should
end,
because
our
meetings
need
to
begin
I
would
say
no
later
than
8:00
or
8:30
8:30
I
would
say
it's
absolutely
the
latest
part
man.
When
we
don't.
K
You
know
in
many
other
communities,
legislative
bodies
have
time
suggestions
for
the
four
topics,
and
you
can
see
this
in
a
lot
of
other
places
where
a
certain
amount
of
time
is
allotted
for
a
topic,
and
you
know
I,
don't
know
whether
that's
something
that
we
should
look
at,
but
I
agree
all
in
Romania.
We
should
look
at
when
we
start.
I
was
guessing
that
a
lot
of
meetings
we
started
at
9:30,
but
you
know
I
think
perhaps
to
help
discipline
ourselves.
L
Our
problem
does
not
have
to
do
with
members
of
the
council
dragging
out
certain
topics
or
taking
too
long
on
individual
topics.
Our
problem
has
to
do
with
beginning
the
meeting,
so
we
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
don't
give
enough
time
to
a
lot
of
the
most
important
topics.
It's
not
that
we
spend
too
much
time
on
them
or
that
we
need
to
be
limited
in
time
to
our
topics.
We
just
don't
get
to
those
topics
in
time.
K
M
Is
a
I
guess,
big
one,
but
now
that
we
do
the
consent
calendar
an
AP
and
W,
we
we
have
a
lot
of
things
or
when
I
was
chaired
that
we
didn't
discuss.
We
voted
on
the
consent
calendar
even
things
that
were
like
our
last
meeting,
had
a
lot
of
liquor
license
things
that
weren't
consent
calendar,
but
it
went
pretty
fast,
so
maybe
I
would
suggest
or
if
we
are
interested,
maybe
next
year
after
the
budget,
looking
at
just
merging
APW
with
council,
because
there's
not
there's,
there's
I
find
when
I
was
chair.
M
Maybe
I
just
went
too
fast,
but
there
weren't
a
lot
of
things.
We
were
pulling
off
to
have
a
big
discussion
on.
There
were
things
we
pull
it
off
and
maybe
had
a
small
discussion,
but
those
are
also
things
we
could.
You
know,
ask
her
a
couple
questions
to
staff
beforehand.
We
could
ask
them
at
council,
but
then
that
way
we
can
maybe
merge
one
committee
that
is
a
little
bit
more
standard.
M
M
Mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
I'm
speaking
again
from
my
experience
that
once
we
would
consent
calendar,
we
we
just
didn't
even
discuss
and
I,
find
that
myself
and
I'm
sure
my
peers
just
asked
their
questions
of
staff
before
hand
and
we're
satisfied
with
answers
and
didn't
need
to.
You
know
take
up
more
Council
time
or
committee
time
to
do
that.
B
I
A
Okay
and
I'm
going
to
throw
out
something
else:
I'd
like
the
idea
of
going
back
to
simultaneous
a
and
PW
and.
A
A
G
Manager
members,
the
committee
of
all,
having
suffered
and
asked
that
this
item
be
placed
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
I
think
we
included
the
list
normally.
What
occurs
is
that
the
rotation
schedule
for
Chairman's
chairmanships
are
approved
by
the
council
at
the
beginning
of
the
term.
So
on
page
30
of
your
packet
is
the
the
listing
of
those
the
four
standing
committees
actually
there's
some
additional
pages
that
deal
with
other
committees
where
council
members
are
serve
transportation,
parking
economic
development,
apologize
that
that
page
did
not
get
included
in
your
packet.
T
O
Mara
heard
ya.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
I
concur
with
alderman
suffered
and
just
sort
of
like
what
I
talked
about
earlier,
where
we've
got
these
foursome
Commission's,
some
of
them
five-year
terms
for
four
to
five
year
terms,
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
consistency.
So
if
we
rotate
chairs,
as
we
do
and
lots
of
these
other
committees,
I
just
like
to
see
us
to
make
sure
we
do
that
on
all
the
ones
that
have
you
know
multiple
aldermen
on
them.
M
So
this
period
of
having
good
idea
this
was
actually
mine,
not
honoring
suffered,
is
yeah,
so
I
realized
that
I
said
on
a
committee
that
doesn't
rotate
chairs
and
while
I'm
not
necessarily
looking
for
more
things
to
do
it.
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
rotate
chair,
it's
just.
We
have
more
opinions
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
J
K
B
L
Alderman
Rainey
wait.
We
just
I'm
I
I
continued
his
chair
on
Community
Development,
Block,
Grant
Committee,
because
the
chairs
before
me
were
non
rotating
chairs,
and
that
was
the
way
it
was
and
the
reason
I
you
know,
have
no
problem
being
a
chairs
because
I
think
I'm,
the
only
tall,
German
who's,
never
missed
a
committee
meeting,
but
I
would
be
glad
to
give
it
up
to
another
alderman
if
they
want
to
do
it.
Oh.
J
To
keep
us
moving
forward,
then
madam
chair
I'd,
like
to
make
a
motion
that
what
item
is
this
item?
Just
ten,
that
I
move,
that
the
order
that
the
committee,
the
three
committees,
that
don't
rotate,
that
staff
come
back
and
get
them
in
line
with
our
other
rotating
committees
and
make
a
recommendation
in
our
next
for
our
next
meeting?
Okay.
J
M
If
we
just
said
in
January,
because
now
we
get
the
budget,
so
there's
a
little
bit
busy,
but
in
January,
just
as
we
do
or
as
I
have
done
as
a
citizen
committee
member
you
just
we
just
vote
or
if
it's
only
two
aldermen
on
there,
alderman
Rainey
is
finished
and
you
all
on
the
committee
just
decide
who
goes
next
and
make
that
schedule
that
we
would
give
to
staff.
I
mean
there's
only
three
of
them
right
and
so,
like
I'm
parking
transportation,
it's
only
myself
autumn
and
went
in
autumn
Arabelle.
So
but.
K
K
M
J
I
think
we'd
all
been
the
reason
that
I
said
have
staff
look
at
it
all
Ben
Fleming,
and
what
alderman?
When
was
it
so
myself
and
alderman
Simmons
sit
on
MWBE?
The
typical
rotation
would
be
every
six
months,
so
we
would
literally
be
rotating
which
I
would
want
to
say.
Probably
every
two
years
versus
every
six
months
would
be
my
recommendation
and
as
well.
I
would
want
to
fold
into
this.
We
have
the.
J
What
is
that
the
parks
and
recs
committee
that
I
think
if
we
just
allow
us
to
have
to
come
back
with
the
recommendations
looking
and
getting
feedback
from
the
current
boards
that
at
our
next
meeting,
we'll
be
able
to
make
a
vote
that
makes
sense
that
we
can
put
in
place
in
January.
So
if
that
makes
sense
for
my
motion,
then
that's
what
I
would
put
forward
to
vote
on.
I
It's
not
a
bad
idea,
but
I
just
think
that
maybe
what
we
do
is
we
have
each
of
the
respective
committees
that
are
gonna,
be
doing
this
we'll
all
be
meeting
before
the
first
of
the
year.
They'll
each
be
required
to
report
back
and
make
a
suggested
rotation
schedule
more
protocol
to
the
rules
committee
and
because
each
committee
can
I
guess
best
address
like
the
one
that
has
two.
Maybe
you
maybe
you
don't
want
to
do
every
six
months?
Maybe
you
want
to
do
one
year
turn
whatever
it
is.
I
K
N
I
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed;
okay,
that's
great!
Okay!
Let's,
let's
try
to
get
through
the
rest
of
this.
If
we
can.
The
next
item
is
board
commission
committee
conflicts
of
interest
with
members
representing
private
interests
before
separate
committees,
mr.
city
manager,
actually.
A
I
B
G
O
Having
yeah
I'll
go
ahead,
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
this
off
this,
so
this
ended
up
on
the
agenda
from
one
of
our
prior
City
Council
meetings
when
we
were
talking
about
appointees
to
boards
and
commissions,
and
we
had
some
discussion
and
and
said,
we'd
bring
it
here
for
a
discussion.
So
as
the
mayor
when
we
are
looking
at
vacant
when
I'm
looking
at
vacancies
to
fill
them,
sometimes
I'm
presented
with
potential
conflict
of
interest
situations.
O
So
you
know
as
an
as
an
example,
one
could
be
a
professional
that
we're
looking
to
put
up,
who
also
you
know,
does
business
in
this
city
and
it's
looking
to
come
forward
on
that
on
on
some
of
those
issues,
not
necessarily
to
the
committee
that
they
are
appointed
to
but
to
other
committees,
and
how
should
that
you
know
be
viewed
again.
My
position
as
mayor
is
generally
I.
Go
to
corporation
council
and
I
have
a
conversation
with
them
and
say:
okay,
you
know,
do
we
think
there's
a
conflict
of
interest
here.
O
So,
to
give
you
a
real
example
there,
it
could
be
a
situation
where
somebody
is
an
attorney,
and
you
know
here
in
town
and
is
representing
or
has
is
currently
representing
somebody
on
the
council,
or
maybe
they
have
in
the
past,
or
maybe
that's
just
something
they
could
do
in
the
future.
And
how
should
that
be
viewed?
Another
could
be
somebody
that
is
up
for
consideration,
but
is
in
the
process
of
having
a
potential
potential
legal
dispute.
O
It
could
actually
be
a
real
one
where
they're
part
of
a
group
or
they
filed
a
suit
against
the
city
or
they're,
threatening
to
file
a
suit
against
the
city.
You
know
another
one
could
be
the
situation
where
it
just
came
to
me.
This
financial
disclosure
form
that
was
filled
out.
You
know
there's
a
point
here
that
it
says
a
statement
of
whether
you,
your
spouse
or
any
relative
living
with
you
owns
property
receives
any
gifts
or
income
has
an
economic
interest
or
association
which
creates
or
could
give
rise
to
a
conflict
of
interest.
O
So
I'll
use
myself
as
an
example
here.
So
in
the
Harley
Clark
debate
there
have
been
people
that
have
said
you
know,
I
think
the
mayor's
conflicted,
even
though
I
don't
have
a
vote,
the
mayor's
conflicted
because
he
lives
in
close
proximity
to
the
mansion,
and
if
that
mansion
is,
you
know,
demolished
and
I
think
the
mayor,
favors
demolition
and
by
the
way
I've
always
wanted
to
save
the
mansion.
I
just
think
private
investments.
The
only
feasible
way
to
do
that
and
I've
written
extensively
about
that.
O
But
you
know,
if
you
know
the
people
have
said
hey,
you
know
he
should
be.
You
know
not
involved
at
all
in
these
proceedings,
because
if
that
mansions
demolished
and
the
value
of
his
property
will
increase
because
there's
more
parkland,
that's
debatable
I
have
no
idea,
if
that's
true,
true
or
not,
but
those
that's
just
a
couple
examples
there.
O
I
Thank
you,
I
do
think
this
warrants
attention.
I
think
that
the
way
it's
drafted.
Currently,
it's
so
incredibly
broad
that
if
we
really
took
this
completely
literally
then
everybody
who's
on
a
border
commission
would
be
disqualified
and
we
would
all
be
disqualified.
Yeah.
It's
a
city
of
75,000
people
with
a
lot
of
businesses,
including
some
large.
You
know
like
the
hospital
University
I
mean
if
anybody's
family
number
works
for
university.
Arguably
there's
you
know
business
being
done
with
the
city.
It's
it's
it's
a
little
bit
too
broad,
so
I
think
it.
I
What
makes
sense
is
to
maybe,
with
the
assistance
of
the
corporation
council,
to
kind
of
adjust
some
of
this
to
more
of
a
disclosure
and
recusal
type
of
new
type
of
type
of
direction,
and
definition
it's
just.
Instead
of
just
the
broad
across
the
board,
statements
I
think
we've,
you
know,
we've
got
something
that
makes
it
almost
impossible
for
somebody
to
you
know
either
a
make
a
living
or,
for
you
know
you
know
my
kid
was
a
lifeguard
at
the
YMCA
and
he
gets
paid
by
the
YMCA.
I
M
I
would
agree
with
alderman
will
sing
except
I,
guess
my
question
as
the
legal
department
is
going
through.
This
is,
if
you
have
you,
know
the
issue
of
suing
or
thinking
of
suing
or
whatever.
Maybe
we
want
to
flush
that
out
a
little
more,
but
if
they
do
say
to
us
for
whatever
do
they
you
know?
Are
they
removed
right
because
I,
don't
admit
so
say?
M
You
know
if
you're
participating
in
whatever
it
is
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
recuse
for
a
couple
minute
meetings,
or
you
know,
step
out
until
this
matter
is
behind
you
and
then
you
can
come
back
on.
So
just
I
would
like
to
make
sure
some
language
is
in
there,
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
someone
there
every
month,
recusing
themselves,
if
they're
on
a
long
term
project.
So.
I
O
A
A
Have
a
question
for
a
corporation
council
right
now
remind
me:
does
our
ethics
code
even
consider
use
the
word
recusal
as
an
option
under
the
code?
I?
Don't
I,
don't
think
it
does,
but
I
know
that
there
are
people
who
have
gone
for
advisory
opinions
from
the
Ethics
Board
and
recusal
has
been
a
conversation.
Oh
that's.
S
S
A
O
Guess
I
still
need
more
clarification
or
discussion.
So
let's
take
somebody
in
town
who
is
an
architect
that
person
serves
on
the
Preservation
Commission
and
that
person
is
representing
a
client
here
in
town
and
wants
to
come
before
the
CBA.
The
Zoning
Board
is
that
a
comma
is
that
a
conflict
of
interest
and
the
person
should
either
be
told
hey.
You
can't
take
that
work
or
you
have
to
step
down
from
the
board
I.
O
Mean
that
those
are
the
real
issues
that
I'm
confronting
front
confronted
whether
we've
talked
about
before
I
mean
that
example
is
a
real
example,
and
that
was
something
that
one
of
the
public
speakers
I
think
it
was
Mary
Beth
burns
when
she
spoke
at
the
beginning
was
talking
in
essence,
I.
Think
about
that.
Clearly,
you
can't
come
before
the
board
that
you're
on
and
do
that.
That
is
a
conflict
of
interests.
I
think
everybody
would
agree
with
that.
But
it's
your
livelihood
you're
an
architect
or
you're
a
lawyer.
O
O
O
Commission
I
mean
I've
been
told,
I've
been
told
that
before
and
that
creates
some
of
the
the
challenges
you
know
another
another
issue
would
be
what,
if
take
that
same
situation,
that
it's
an
architect
is
doing
work
for
one
of
us
up
up
here:
okay
and
it's
employed
by
one
of
us
and
is
on
the
board
that
we
also
serve
on
okay-
that
wanted
one
of
the
aldermen
okay,
it
is
on.
You
know.
O
O
Okay-
and
you
know,
play
it
out,
I'll
play
it
out
for
you.
So
the
question
the
question
is
the
question
is
that
Mary
is
a
is
an
architect
here
in
town
I
am
the
seventh
Ward
Alderman
instead
of
the
mayor,
so
I
have
a
vote
and
Mary
is
working
for
my
family.
Okay,
doing
an
addition.
Mary
and
I
serve
on
the
transportation
committee
together
as
an
alderman,
and
you
know
the
the
poll.
If
you
play
it
out,
it
could
be
and
again
don't
think
these
sinister
things
go
on.
O
But
this
is
perception
and
everything
else
that,
because
there
is
money
transferring
between
Mary
and
I
Mary
is
doing
this
architecture.
Work
I
am
paying
her.
We
also
serve
in
this
transportation.
Commission,
hey,
Mary,
I,
really
I
really
need
your
vote
on
this
okay,
and
so
so
Mary
so
I
could
say.
Look
Mary,
I'm
gonna,
give
you
an
extra
thousand
dollars
here
on
this
job
that
you're
doing
you're
doing
for
me,
okay,
I'll,
just
listen,
I'm,
just
playing
it
out
or
by
or
vice
versa.
Mary
says
man.
Aldermen
I
really
want
you
to
support
this.
O
B
L
K
All
it's
all
about
these
scenarios,
so
I
think
the
essential
issue
is
like.
So
what
what?
How
do
we
define
the
conflict?
And-
and
so
is
it
financial
remuneration
in
some
way
or
or
benefit
in
some
way?
So
what's
the
benefit
that
that
could
potentially
happen
so
because
initially
when
so,
let's
say
there
is
a
lawyer
who
serves
on
the
arts
committee,
but
who
also
represents
clients
in
front
of
the
CBA
and
to
me
that
that
would
not
be
a
conflict.
K
You
know
so
because
there
is
not
there's
not
a
nexus
of
a
financial
benefit
to
the
lawyer
by
by
serving
on
the
Arts
Committee.
Now.
Obviously,
if,
if
it's
a
client
of
the
lawyers
who
wants
to
give
or
sell
a
piece
of
art
to
the
the
city,
then
suddenly,
there's
then
that's
where
the
Nexus
appears.
So
you
know
so
I'm
trying,
but
obviously
we
also
have
to
air
in
in
the
direction
of
not
even
an
appearance
of
a
conflict.
K
So
I
think
we
need
to
define
the
conflict
issue
a
little
bit
better
I
mean
my
understanding
would
be
that
its
fiduciary
or
the
appearance
of
it
I
think
that's
what
we
all
operate
under
up
here,
but
you're
right.
These
are
really
interesting
questions
so,
but
if
they're
in
a
community,
this
small
and
in
the
instance
that
you
gave,
is
there
a
financial
benefit
going
back
and
forth
between
the
aldermen
and
their
architect
via
the
transportation
and
parking
committee.
I
I
think
all
the
men,
when
just
kind
of
dialed
into
the
one
of
the
thresholds,
questions
we
don't
have
clear
discussion
of
appearance
of
conflict
in
in
the
ethics.
I
think
that
appearance
should
not
be
dealt
with
as
harshly
as
actual
conflict.
So
again,
that's
that
whole,
like
you
know,
idea
of
the
recusal
disclosure
in
Marikina
van
recusal
and
a
disclosure
might
not
require
recusal,
so
the
disclosure
is
just
to
let
people
know
you
know,
hey
my
kids,
a
lifeguard
at
the
YMCA,
and
you
know
the
YMCA
wants
to
have.
I
S
I
B
J
A
O
There
were
clearly
some
ambiguities
and
uncertainties
in
the
law
or
the
rules
about
when
you
have
a
primary
and
when
you
don't,
and
then
there
were
protests
that
were
made
to
try
to
remove
many
candidates
from
the
ballot,
I
would
like
to
see
us
task.
The
city's
much
of
the
appropriate
Department
is
I,
think
it's
probably
the
law
department
to
revise
and
update
those
to
the
extent
that
we
can
to
basically
avoid
that
situation
from
happening
two
years
from
now.
I
think
it
would
be
a
complete
embarrassment
to
all
of
us
up
here.
I
R
Sec,
if,
if,
if,
if
I
made
chime
in
their
election
code,
is
set
by
state
statute,
so
there
really
isn't
anything
within
our
code
to
change
the
the
the
linchpin
in
that
instance
was
whether
or
not
Evanston
is
a
nonpartisan
City
and
and
whether
we
have
clarified
that
when
we
made
the
1952
change
to
become
a
council-manager
city
manager,
form
of
government
so
I
think
it's
not
to
update
our
code.
It's
just
to
do.
R
You
know,
with
the
filing
of
the
Hartley
Clark
referendum
and
recently
regarding
the
weather,
is
the
responsibility
of
the
clerk's
office
to
give
legal
advice
to
folks
who
are
filing,
particularly.
There
is
an
in
particularly
there's
an
incident
with
someone
who
filed
an
objection
against
the
Hartley
Clark
referendum
and
I.
Think
part
of
the
reason
that
this
is
on
the
agenda
today
was
because
of
confusion
as
to
whether
the
clerk's
office
should
have
informed
that
person
as
to
whether
their
address
you
know
was
properly
listed
on
their
objection
and
I.
R
I've
gotten
emails
from
members
of
the
Dyess,
including
see
seeing
the
the
objector
that
make
it
seem
as
though
it
was
the
responsibility
of
this
office.
I
just
wanted
tender
to
the
council,
so
there's
a
clear
understanding
here:
I've
spoken
to
the
tribal
Board
of
Elections,
the
Illinois
State
Board
of
Elections
and
the
Cook
County
Board
of
Elections
three
of
the
premier
election
authorities
in
the
area,
and
they
have
all
confirmed
that
that
is
the
proper
procedure.
A
A
K
Yes,
hi
Claire
over
several
months
ago,
Misskelley
requested
an
opportunity
to
come
before
the
Rules
Committee
when
I
was
still
chair
to
discuss
or
present
materials
on
a
lobbying
ordinance.
The
last
time
we
met
was
our
August
meeting,
which
was
packed
and
then
and
we
only
meet
bimonthly.
So
then
the
chairmanship
has
changed
and
I
told
the
current
chair
that
this
was
a
this
business
needed
this
I
needed
to
bring
be
brought
up
on
the
rules
committee
agenda,
so
I
I
have
my
emails
up
and
miss
Kelly
had
said
that
she
wanted
to.
K
She
had
materials
put
together
and
she
would
request
it
at
10.
10
minutes
to
present
materials
on
a
lobby.
Ordinance
and
I
had
agreed
to
have
her
do
that
at
a
prior
meeting,
but
actually
I
agreed
that
we
would
do
that
and
put
it
on
the
agenda.
Then
in
August
the
agenda
was
was
too
full
and
now
the
the
chairmanship
has
changed
so
I
think
we
should
put
it
on
our
next
Rules
Committee
meeting,
because
obviously
this
one
was
packed
too
right.
Q
Because
I
just
heard
actually
because
I
did
one
confirmation
from
the
chair,
because
I
know
how
things
can
go
a
chair
could
also
say:
no,
you
know
it's
packed,
so
I
didn't
hear
actually
from
alderman
Fisk
until
Friday
and
I
was
given
about
under
an
hour
to
upload,
to
send
in
documents
that
I
didn't
even
get
the
email.
I
was
in
the
hospital
with
my
mother.
Until
she
came
out
of
surgery
and
I
saw
her.
I
was
supposed
to
upload
material.
Q
Oh
she's,
you
emailed
me
at
12
to
say
to
send
in
the
materials
by
one
and
I'd
been
trying
to
ascertain
who
was
chair
since
the
beginning
of
September,
so
anyways
so
I.
However,
I
do
feel
very
strongly,
obviously
that
we
do
need
it
to
discuss
and
really
seriously
consider
adopting
a
Lobby,
ordens
I
know
it's
become
an
enormous
industry
in
our
country
and
it
it
can
very
much
weaken
the
effectiveness
of
the
institution
of
our
city
government
as
well
as
we
can
public
trust.
Q
The
effect
of
lobbying
I
know
clerk
read,
also
understands
the
importance
and
the
need
for
lobby
ordinance
that
I
he's
graciously
offered
to
do
a
streamline
presentation
if
you'd
just
to
get
this
I
just
think
we
really
need
to
get
this
in
the
works.
Well,
I
have
been
speaking
with
the
Harvard,
the
Saffir,
the
Edmond
Safra
Center
for
Ethics
and
there,
as
well
as
the
Center
for
City
ethics
at
the
University
of
Indiana
and
their
people,
their
experts
who
are
willing
to
come
and
speak,
but
I
couldn't
tell
them.
Q
K
I
think
that
what
we
should
do
is
get
them
and
I
understand.
There
were
short
notice.
There
was
confusion.
I
was
out
of
the
country
for
a
period
of
time,
but
I
think
what
we
should
do
is
a
lot
time
for
this
ten
minute
time
for
this
at
the
next
Rules
Committee
meeting
and
have
the
documents
in
our
hands
beforehand,
so
that
we
can
review
them
and
have
an
opportunity
to
be
well
well-versed
on
the
on
the
issues.
That's
what
I
would
recommend
I
at
this
point.
We've
now
been
meeting
for
two
hours
and
I.
Q
Q
A
Think
alderman
Wynn
has
explained
that
you,
you
were
to
come
back
or
you
were
scheduled
to
come
back
at
whatever
it's
September
or
August
meeting
my
understanding
from
reading
the
minutes
was
that
you
were
going
to
have
documentation
submitted
by
that
time.
I
just
assumed
that
that,
because
that
was
to
be
submitted
for
the.
A
A
K
G
A
N
Just
one
quick
item
I
just
like
to
pursuant
to
counsel
world
2.6
I
would
like
to
say
that
I'll
be
asking
the
city
manager
to
put
an
item
on
the
agenda
for
a
council
meeting
next
Monday
for
us
to
consider
the
request
from
the
landmarks
Illinois
organization
to
allow
access
to
the
Harley
Clark
mansion.
So
they
can
prepare
for
the
Preservation
Commission
meeting.