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A
B
Let's
reassemble
myself
good
evening
good
evening.
This
is
just
a
few
of
us
I'm
here
with
evidence
and
cradle-to-career,
and
the
advocates
for
action,
which
is
a
community
leadership
council
newly
established-
and
we
are
here
tonight
because
one
of
the
aldermen
has
really
come
and
stepped
up
and
helped
change
the
narrative
for
one
of
our
advocates.
We
represent
all
that
races
are
different:
races,
cultures,
beliefs,
we
have
unemployed,
underemployed,
executive
directors,
we
the
whole
thing
we
represent
the
community
and
one
of
our
advocates
was
having
some
issues.
B
C
C
This
was
an
effort
that
all
I
did
was
steer.
The
boat
I.
Believe
me,
one
of
the
great
things
about
an
alt
being
an
alderman
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
Is
you
can
get
things
done?
You
don't
have
to
know
anything.
You
just
have
to
know
who
can
do
things
that
you
need
to
get
done
and
in
this
case
the
city
of
Evanston
I
am
Telling.
You
cradle-to-career
wrote
a
very
big
check.
C
D
All
right,
I
think
we
need
to
stop
pretending.
Citizens
are
uncivil
and
when
we
keep
coming
to
meetings
and
really
we
keep
on
hearing
things,
they're
just
fabrications
all
the
time,
it's
not
a
difference
of
an
opinion.
It's
basically
making
statements
that
are
inaccurate,
completely
inaccurate,
with
no
basis
in
reality,
such
as
the
city
manager
claimed
he
could
build.
Robert
Crown
had
no
cost
to
taxpayers,
then
spending
taxpayer
money
to
tell
us.
It
was
a
mistake.
D
Basically,
and
now
it's
going
to
cost
us
millions
of
dollars
and
as
a
citizen,
when
you
hear
things
like
that,
and
you
even
hear
them
in
the
beginning,
you've
realized,
there's
or
something
wrong.
Mistakes
are
quite
reasonable.
I
had
a
city
employee
come
to
my
house
to
change
out
the
water
meter.
If
he
has,
he
changed
it
out.
He
looked
at
me
and
said:
I
put
it
in
backwards,
that's
a
mistake.
He
admitted
it
and
he
fixed
it
in
five
minutes.
Ten
minutes
he
turned
it
around.
D
That's
a
real
mistake,
but
telling
me
something's,
gonna
be
built
for
free
that
cost
millions
of
dollars
and
when
you're,
supposedly
a
professional.
Is
that
a
mistake?
Well,
I'm,
sorry
and
now
tonight
we're
talking
about
limiting
public
comment
or
basically
allowing
the
mayor
to
select
who
can
speak
and
who
can't
speak
well.
If
the
aldermen
can't
see
a
pitfall
in
that
I
would
think
it's
a
big
pitfall.
Is
the
mayor
just
gonna?
Let
his
friend
speak.
Are
you
going
to
limit
poor
people
to
speak?
D
Are
you
gonna
limit
black
people
to
speak
and
others
are
you
you're,
the
one
that
selects?
So
what
is
your
criteria?
So
that
is
a
problem.
If
you
want
to
do
it,
do
it
but
I
think
that's
a
problem
and
I
think.
Well,
we
have
a
say
in
the
city,
manager's,
evaluation,
valuation,
Wilson,
I,
suppose
what
to
see
about
that
I
think
some
of
you
think
the
city
managers
done
an
outstanding
job.
Well,
some
of
us
don't
quite
think
that,
unfortunately
you
know
some
of
you,
those
of
you
who
keep
claiming.
D
We
have
no
money
for
Harley
Clarke
when
at
every
meeting
we
continue
to
spend
money
very
foolishly
and
waste
money
and
do
many
things
that
are
wrong.
That's
uncivil
to
me
very
uncivil,
Fountain
Square
I
mean
aren't
any
of
you.
Embarrassed
at
seven
million
dollars,
the
pipes
are
broken,
doesn't
work
months
behind
I
mean
is,
is
what
are
the
excuses
there
we
hear
excuses.
Of
course
we
haven't
had
a
report
on
this.
D
We
don't
know
what's
going
on,
we
have
a
lot
of
hearsay,
but
it's
months
late
and
and
the
real
question
is,
you
know,
you're
worried
about
the
maintenance
of
Harley
Clark.
Well,
this
thing
is
going
to
be
a
maintenance
nightmare
for
years
to
come.
It
looks
like
to
me
and
there'll
be
hundreds,
if
not
maybe
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
spent
to
straighten
it
out
so
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
problems
here
and
frankly,
I
realize
some
of
the
council.
D
Members
are
very
frustrated
because
the
public
is
very
angry
and
the
public's
were
angry
for
a
lot
of
reasons
and
I
you,
my
services,
all
say
more
problems
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about,
but
I'm
gonna
run
out
of
time,
but
I
would
tell
you
the
limit
public
speaking
to
make
mistakes
and
keep
on
misusing
their
money
is
not
good.
I
think
we
demand
honest
work
and
we
want
this
proof
spoken.
Thank
you.
E
Good
evening,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Dorothy
hit.
I
live
at
1823
Laurel
Avenue
and
have
been
since
May
1975
I
came
here
tonight
and
let
you
know
that
I
support
dr.
FM's
initiative
that
equity
and
business
be
the
main
focus
of
her
work
at
this
time
to
help
ensure
that
we
don't
have
a
repeat
of
past
decisions
made
by
the
council,
like
the
placement
of
the
water
truck
of
waste
transfer
station
and
the
pumping
station
in
the
same
general
area.
E
Without
thinking
about
the
long-term
effects
on
the
neighborhood.
Who
would
have
thought
years
ago
that
a
business
like
the
waste
transfer
station
would
be
having
the
negative
impact
it
is
now
having
and
who
knows
what
will
happen
when
the
pumping
station
is
built
less
than
a
mile
away?
What
effect
will
it
have
I
strongly
urge
you,
the
council,
to
fully
support
these
efforts
so
that
the
necessary
steps
can
be
implemented
to
make
this
a
reality
and
not
placed
on
the
city's
bucket
list?
I.
Thank
you
for
listening
and
look
forward
to
your
cooperation.
Thank
You.
F
Evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Janet
Alexander,
Davis
I
live
in
the
fifth
Ward.
Let
me
just
say
to
you
guys,
thank
you
for
your
service.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
So
very
much.
We
hear
a
lot
up
here,
and
sometimes
things
are
so
one-sided
that
it
even
bothers
me
at
home
and
I.
Think
I
realized.
None
of
what
I'm
saying
was
I
going.
F
I
am
here
to
say
that
when
I
first
heard
about
the
equity
and
partment
job
and
that
someone
would
be
hired
for
that
and
I
know
dr.
F
through
somebody
else
and
thought
that
was
a
perfect
choice.
I
was
so
happy
that
you
wanted
to
look
at
at
your
administration
of
this
building
of
this
the
city
in
a
way
that
was
equal
and
full
of
empowerment,
I'm
hoping
that
that
really
is
what's
going
to
happen,
I'm,
hoping
that
that's
what
the
Job
Description
is
I'm,
not
sure.
F
But
my
experience
in
this
town
being
someone
that's
been
active
since
the
1960s
and
the
best
way
that
I.
Could
it
matters
that
we
have
some
worlds
that
understand
what
the
citizens
are
trying
to
say
to
you
and
when
some
of
the
decisions
were
made,
when
the
waste
transfer
station
deal
was
made,
and
we
had
just
a
few
days,
it
felt
like
to
be
able
to
mount
a
response
and
say
we
should
have
been
able
to
have
something
to
do
with
the
host
agreement
and
we've
been
affected
now
in
the
community.
F
G
Thank
you,
Jeff
Smith,
27,
24
hours
and
I
hope
you'll.
Forgive
me
for
a
citizen
comment
about
citizen
comment,
but
this
is
item
8
on
the
agenda
in
if
I
was
on
your
side
of
the
dais,
to
which
I
aspired
at
one
point,
I
would
be
interested
in
getting
home
at
a
decent
hour
of
the
evening,
and
I'd
prefer
fewer
comments
of
greater
quality
and
less
repetition.
For
that
reason,
I
would
oppose
a
ban
on
seating
time
and
I
probably
encourage
it.
G
The
US
Senate
is
considered
one
of
the
more
civil
debating
societies
in
the
parliamentary
world
and
they've
had
rules
like
that
for
well.
Over
a
century
and
I've
heard
some
comments
made
from
the
dais
that
some
speakers
are
perhaps
not
representative
of
others
out
in
a
silent
majority
of
a
community.
If
somebody
is
getting
time
seated
to
them,
that
is
itself
evidence
that
they
are
in
fact,
representative
of
other
voices
and
may
in
fact
be
leaders,
and
perhaps
our
ears
ought
to
perk
up
when
that
happens.
G
G
So
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
that
indicates
a
willingness
to
hear
and
to
listen,
and
it's
also
ironic
that
the
greater
the
public
interest
in
an
issue,
the
less
anyone
is
allowed
to
say
about
it,
I'd
consider
having
separate
forums
setting
aside
a
Saturday
morning
when
we
know
there's
going
to
be
a
hot
button,
heater
issue,
so
that
people
can
all
each
other's
points
of
view
without
being
rushed
into
a
few
seconds
of
compression.
The
last
time
I
served
in
government
was
during
the
fracking
debate
in
Illinois,
and
there
were
some
pretty
rough
stuff.
G
G
If
you
don't
want
to
do
that
and
then
you
know,
people's
people
shouldn't
be
in
government,
I
believe
and
I'll
go
to
my
grave,
believing
it's
the
right
of
Americans
to
get
ticked
off
and
yell
at
government,
but
it's
rarely
the
place
of
government
to
respond
in
kind.
I.
Trust
you
guys
to
make
the
right
decision.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
First
of
all,
for
years,
I've
recommended
that
the
council
suspend
their
meetings
at
a
certain
reasonable
hour
and
not
drag
meetings
on
into
the
long
hours
of
the
night
and
into
the
next
morning.
I
think
that
goes
without
saying.
That's,
first
of
all,
not
healthy
for
you,
but
you
don't
get
paid
to
do
that
kind
of
late
late
hour.
Work,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
reason
why
you
can't
just
simply
suspend
a
meeting
and
carry
on
that
business
at
the
next
council
meeting,
but
you
probably
should
consider
it.
H
Expressions
of
anger,
contempt
and
disgust,
and
that
I
think
is
what
was
being
how
those
words
were
being
used,
but
regardless
there
should
be
no
center
of
any
alderman
who,
speaking
on
behalf
of
his
citizens,
his
constituents
who
were
very
frustrated
and
that's
pretty
much
all
I
have
to
say
about
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
I
Here
so
misty
Wittenberg
and
Elodie
Wittenberg
I'm,
here
to
speak
primarily
in
opposition.
It
was
referenced
at
the
last
meeting
about
changing
the
City
Clerk's
position
from
an
elected
one
to
an
appointed
one.
I
opposed
it
for
the
same
reasons
that
were
given
to
support
it,
because
the
clerk
does
not
report
to
another
City
Authority.
So
it's
the
only
full-time
City
position
that
doesn't
report
primarily
to
the
city
as
a
corporation
instead
of
to
the
city's
public
interest
and
the
clerk's
position
is
not
just
a
file.
I
And
we
don't
know
where
else
this
is
happening
because
the
city
won't
implement
independent
oversight
or
audits,
and
the
city
has
repeatedly
subverted
the
existing
laws.
We
have
and
procedures
that
prevent
this.
So
why
are
we
paying
hundreds
of
thousands
of
grant
dollars
to
the
private
employers
of
our
city
officials
who
aren't
otherwise
eligible
for
that
funding?
And
what
was
the
point
of
reaping
those
grants
when
the
city's
own
report
stated
that
zero
of
the
forty
projected
jobs
were
created
or
retained
with
the
sending?
I
Thank
you
when
city
officials
are
legally
prohibited
from
using
city
facilities
for
non
city
use?
Why
have
we
for
years
now
than
allowing
city
officials
to
use
city
facilities,
rat-free
for
non
city,
non
civic
purposes,
for
programs
they're
being
paid
to
administer
and
which
also
prohibitively
they've
been
charging
fees
for
residents
who
attend?
Why
are
city
officials
who
have
financial
interest
in
a
grant
and
legally
prohibited
from
exercising
any
functions
or
responsibilities
for
that
grant
program
allowed
to
join
every
committee
governing
that
grant
program?
I
Why,
when
prohibited
by
both
city,
contract
and
federal
law,
are
we
allowing
city
officials
to
evaluate
their
own
contract
performance
compliance
for
grants
in
which
they
have
a
financial
interest
and
whose
job
is
it
to
follow
up
on
that
compliance
documentation
when
the
city
is
being
charged
and
paying
twice,
the
allowable
disbursements
is
Wittenberg
ten
seconds.
Thank
you.
I
K
My
name
is
Laura
Keenan
I
live
in
the
seventh
Ward
I'm
here
tonight
to
speak
about
something
that
happened
at
the
July
23rd
city
council
meeting
when
Mayor
Pro
Tem
alderman
Judy
Fisk
prevented
me
from
speaking
saying
that
it
was
a
rule
that
people
could
not
see
their
time
when,
in
fact
previously
at
that
same
meeting
time
had
been
seated.
In
fact
tonight
you
will
be
voting
on
that
rule
which
did
not
exist
at
that
meeting.
I
believe
that
censoring
and
limiting
public
comment
by
an
individual
and
a
citizen
is
wrong.
K
L
I'm
back
and
I
brought
my
sidekick
good
evening.
Honorable
Rules
Committee
I
came
here
tonight
to
address
a
couple
of
things
that
I
saw
on
the
Rules
Committee
agenda,
civility
and
ceding
time
as
I've
been
saying,
I'm
sort
of
new
to
paying
attention
to
city
government
and
it's
fascinating
one
thing
that
I
didn't
get
to
say
last
week
about
the
referendum
signers
when
they
were
gathering
petitions
for
those
10
crazy
days.
Is
that
I've
heard
comments
from
the
dias
and
in
social
media.
L
While
it
is
true
that
supporters
of
demolition
could
also
sign
the
petition,
we
overwhelmingly
found
that
someone
was
if
they
were
not
in
favor
of
preservation.
They
elected
not
to
sign
we'd,
wonderful
conversations,
great
stories
and
personally
I
felt
really
energized
by
this,
like
very
pure
exercise
in
democracy.
I
received
official
notice
today
that
there
is
an
objection
to
the
referendum
question
so
I
look
forward
to
the
public
hearing
on
this
on
Thursday
August,
9th
at
2:30
I
invite
people
who
have
an
opinion
about
the
referendum
question
to
attend
its
a
public
hearing.
L
I
spoke
last
week
about
my
suggestion
to
introduce
restorative
practices
and
a
government
practices
and
I
received
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
the
idea.
So
I
know
that
there
are
practitioners
in
the
city
who
are
really
interested
and
ready
to
help
out,
with
whatever
may
be
needed,
to
start
to
heal
the
divides
in
this
city.
I.
L
Believe
good
government
includes
the
ability
to
agree,
disagree
about
something
without
shaming
language
gestures
or
actions
at
the
school
where
I
work
we
practice
own,
it
fix
it,
learn
from
it
and
move
on
this
works
really
well
for
kids,
and
it
can
work
well
for
grownups
as
well.
Do
you
need
the
magic
hand?
No,
not
right
now?
Okay,
I
would
love
to
see
this
happen
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
We,
the
people,
want
our
voices
to
be
heard
and
we
have
the
right
to
it.
L
In
fact,
I
was
super
interested
to
find
the
government
organization
chart
on
the
city
of
Evanston
website
magic
can't
money,
but
which
puts
the
residents
at
the
top
as
an
elected
official,
I,
hope
and
trust
that
that's
always
in
the
forefront,
forefront
of
everybody's
thinking.
We
should
be
able
to
speak.
We
should
be
able
to
cede
our
time.
We
should
be
allowed
to
have
feelings
and
emotions
about
issues
that
are
important
to
us
and
we
should
not
expect
scolding
or
rushing
or
respectful
but
respectful
dialogue.
L
I
do
believe
that
it
goes
both
ways
and
I
intend
to
continue
striving
to
have
a
respectful
dialogue
with
everyone
in
this
city.
A
couple
of
other
ideas
that
have
come
to
me
as
I
spent
time
watching
meetings,
hours
on
YouTube
really
exciting
stuff,
when,
when
you
do
figure
out
how
to
how
much
time
to
allow
us
the
people
to
speak
again,
buddy,
let's
make
an
effort
to
be
equitable
and
how
time
is
out.
Allit
allotted
sorry
allotted
and
how
the
people
are
cut
off.
L
I've
noticed
during
the
meetings
that
some
people
are
cut
off,
pretty
sternly,
while
others
are
allowed
to
go
on
I,
took
advantage
of
that
one
one
cycle
yeah,
you
can
go
back
and
let
slide
kick
leaves.
For
example,
in
one
meeting
that
I
watched,
an
emotional
speaker
was
cut
off
after
two
minutes,
so
the
chair
said
that
it
was
three,
but
the
next
speaker
spoke
for
over
four
minutes
without
getting
cut
off.
L
I
timed
it
so
maybe
getting
a
timer
with
like
a
gentle
cutoff
sound
like
they
use
in
the
district,
65
board
meetings
might
help,
and
then,
as
far
as
names
and
who's
on
the
list,
maybe
we
should
write
out
our
names
phonetically
so
that
we
always
know
how
to
pronounce
it.
That's
just
something
that
seems
to
take
up
time
is
haunted.
Is
that
it
all
right
so
Ted
that
is
all
I
have
to
say.
M
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
I'm,
Sheila,
Mary
I
live
in
the
Ninth
Ward
and
I'm
executive
director
of
Evanston
cradle-to-career
and
before
I,
get
to
what
I
really
wanted
to
talk
about
I
can't
let
alderman
Rainey
be
quite
as
modest
as
she
was
about
how
she
helped
our
advocate.
She
really
went
so
far
above
and
beyond.
I
can't
begin
to
tell
you
how
meaningful
it
was
and
how
profoundly
she
has
helped
to
change
one
of
our
residents
lives.
So
I
just
want
to
echo
my
appreciation
for
her
efforts.
M
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
how
important
we
believe
the
equity
and
empowerment
Commission
is
for
the
city
and
for
our
work
and
how
much
we
look
forward
to
working
collaboratively
with
the
Commission
as
it
does
its
work.
I
think
it
can.
Together,
we
can
have
a
profound
act
on
the
inequity
that
has
historically
existed
in
our
community
and
I
just
wanted
to
say.
We
really
look
forward
to
being
a
part
of
this
positive
effort
to
really
change
the
way
our
community
functions.
O
Good
evening,
members
of
Rules
Committee
I'd
like
to
address
the
Rules
Committee
tonight
about
civility
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
a
lack
of
communication
or
misunderstanding,
or
just
not
working
together
towards
a
common
goal
and
just
being
frustrated
I'm
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
our
common
goal?
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
for
public
comment,
but
there
are
too
many
questions
that
go
unanswered.
I
suggested
two
months
ago
that
maybe
we
can
have
a
committee
to
address
an
answer.
Public
comments.
Can
this
be
done?
O
It
is
very
frustrating
for
residents
like
myself
and
my
neighbors,
who
want
to
follow
the
process
and
the
guidelines
set
up
for
the
city
and
for
all
to
follow
and
then
get
shut
down
or
ignored.
Specifically
the
appeal
6-3
11,
annal
12
417,
the
how
project
working
together
we
can
move
mountains
working
against
each
other.
Just
creates
the
lack
of
civility
hard
feelings
and
sets
us
up
for
failure.
So,
let's
start
moving
some
mountains
together.
Thank.
A
Q
I
recall
and
I'm
looking
at
quickly
at
the
minutes
myself,
the
issue
regarding
the
the
city,
clerk
and
electing
the
city
clerk
had
been
on
the
agenda
earlier
and
I
think
that
it
came
from
that
there
was
not
a
desire
to
move
forward
with
the
discussion
regarding
the
changing
the
clerk
to
an
appointed
position.
But
the
request
came
in
the
context
of
that
discussion.
C
Know
but
I
but
I
I
didn't
read:
I
didn't
watch
the
video
again,
but
it
seems
so
out
of
context
with
the
discussion
about
the
city,
clerk
and
and
the
minutes
don't
reflect
that
there
was
absolutely
no
interest.
In
fact,
there
is
a
request
in
here
for
all
sorts
of
it
and
I'm
I
am
discussing
by
the
way
the
minutes
before
we.
C
That
I
would
like
the
whole
issue
of
the
city
clerk
referendum
post,
so
that
we
could
discuss
putting
that
referendum
on
I'm,
not
sure
when
that
election
is
going
to
be
for
school
board.
Members
and
Park
district
members,
I
think
March
or
April
April,
because
we're
not
ready
and
the
the
League
of
Women
Voters
is
doing
a
study,
etc
and
I
thought.
That
was
the
discussion.
C
C
A
C
I'm
going
to,
but
that
doesn't
preclude
the
fact
that
I
think
it
should
have
been
on
this
agenda
and
nobody
since
it
was
I
that
made
the
referral
to
begin
with.
I
think
it
would
have
been
thoughtful
for
somebody
to
notify
me
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
on
I'm
just
saying:
alderman
Braithwaite
on
a
letterpress.
No.
R
R
J
A
S
Alderman
Winn
could
I
just
a
white
order.
Alderman
win.
Yes
may
I
just
make
a
comment
about
respondent.
Citizen
comment
for
a
second
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
I
don't
believe
that
I
seated
allowed
anyone
at
the
last
meeting
at
the
23rd
meeting
to
cede
time
and
if
I
did
I,
don't
remember
it
and
if
I
did
I
will
certainly
apologize,
but
I
don't
believe
that
happened.
Yes,.
T
You
know
so
seven
of
the
nine
of
us
are
here.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
first
of
all,
creating
Commission
and
then
for
appointing
some
extraordinary
individuals
to
serve
on
the
Commission
we
have
because
we
are
all
brand
new
to
this
and
you've
appointed
us
all
at
once.
We
don't
have
staggered
terms.
We've
spent
the
last
few
months
doing
some
orientation
to
everything
about
the
city
about
legislative
process.
We
have
approved
bylaws,
we
got
a
briefing
on
the
star
communities
and
that
framework
we
have
talked
with
Erica
story.
T
She
gave
us
a
briefing
on
the
structure
of
city
government
chain
of
commands,
Department
City,
Council
goals.
Your
deputy
city
attorney,
Mario
trato,
came
to
us
and
told
us
about
the
municipal
ethics
code
in
FOIA
and
the
Open
Meetings
Act.
We've
gotten
a
briefing
on
the
budget
process
and
this
year's
priority-based
budgeting
process
that
you're
using
we've
taken
the
show
on
the
road.
So
we
met
the
first
few
times
in
the
Civic
Center
and
we
right
away
that
we
needed
to
get
into
community.
T
So
we
have
had
some
really
wonderful
hosts
for
our
meetings,
our
monthly
meetings.
We
started
out
with
shorefront
and
do
you
know?
Robinson
gave
us
a
briefing
on
the
history
of
the
african-american
community
in
Evanston
for
context
and
May.
We
met
with
center
for
independent
futures
to
understand
the
disability
community
in
June,
the
students
organized
against
racism
and
et
HS
hosted
our
meeting,
and
we
had
a
really
terrific
discussion
with
them.
I
encourage
you
to
invite
soar
to
one
of
your
meetings
or
understand
from
them
go
to
one
of
their
conferences.
T
There's
a
lot
to
be
learned
from
store
in
July,
we
met
with
connections
for
the
homeless
and
joining
forces
and
understood
the
perspective
of
a
homeless
person
in
Evanston
and
in
the
future.
We
will
be
meeting
with
in
the
YWCA
Second
Baptist
Church
we've
had
invitations
from
district
65
and
we
hope
to
meet
at
Fleetwood
Jourdain.
So
it's
been
a
busy
schedule
as
we
get
oriented
as
we've
tried
to
get
everybody
on
the
same
footing,
but
the
same
understanding
about
governmental
processes.
U
Evening,
a
pleasure
to
be
here
on
so
I
want
to
discuss
a
little
bit
of
our
commission
plan,
and
this
is
an
adoption
of
an
equity
framework,
so
the
Commission
has
agreed
to
prioritize
a
racial
equity
and
adopt
a
racial
equity
framework
throughout
the
visits
that
we've
had
in
within
the
city
and
with
our
community
partners.
We
felt
that
this
would
allow
us
to
see
some
of
the
disparities
that
our
community
faces
and
we're
also
recommending
that
there's
an
internal
focus
on
equity.
U
What
we're
looking
to
adopt
is
an
Evanston
specific
equity
framework
and
the
lens
to
incorporate
incorporate
equity
within
the
organization,
and
we
want
to
model
this
after
the
Annie
E
casey
Foundation,
evidence-based
equity
framework,
which
is
included
in
your
packet.
This
is
a
simple
seven
step,
yet
straightforward
and
clear
approach.
The
framework
will
be
revised
and
adapted
for
our
purposes
and
priorities,
and
the
Commission
plans
to
recommend
this
equity
framework
for
adoption
by
the
City
Council.
So
this
is
a
preview
for
that.
As
the
city
of
Evanston
develops.
U
T
We
expect
to
be
regularly
reporting
to
the
Human
Services
Committee
and
we're
hoping
that
the
Commission
will,
at
its
next
meeting,
consider
some
very
specific
retooled
equity
framework
based
on
the
Annie
casey
framework
that
we
hope
to
craft
one
just
for
evanston,
reflecting
our
priorities
and
our
values,
and
we
hope
to
submit
that
through
the
Human
Services
Committee,
for
your
approval,
ultimately
to
apply
to
city
processes
and
opt
in
and
and
operations.
Any
questions
that
we
can
answer
I'm
going
to
send
questions
to
Mario.
P
Hi
I
have
several
I'll
try
to
convince
them,
so
my
first
input
is
someone
said
that
they
hope
to
make
this
an
internal
focus.
I
guess
my
understanding.
I
was
not
on
counsel.
When
the
position
was
cracked,
it
was
that
it
is
internal
focus,
I
mean
I,
don't
see
this
position
as
one
that
needs
to
be
in
the
community
assessing
equity.
P
U
P
Dumb
dr.
reports,
the
city
manager,
so
hopefully
he
can
make
that
correction
with
her
as
an
employee.
P
So
if
you
can
pass
it
up
and
I,
look
at
that,
I'll
go
to
my
next
question,
so
I'm
looking
at
this
framework,
I
appreciate
the
work
of
the
Cayce
foundation.
However,
this
continues
to
be
my
concern.
The
Cayce
foundation.
You
know
it's
applicable,
but
does
not
totally
focus
on
a
government
institution.
P
Why
were
why
we
are
not
as
a
government
agency
working
with
an
entity
that
only
works
with
government
agencies,
they
have
a
different
way
of
looking
at
equity
and
what
they're
looking
for,
and
outcomes
and
decisions
versus
a
non-profit
who
might
look
at
whom
we're
serving,
and
you
know
where
money
goes
and
Terry
actually
is
a
colleague
of
mine.
He
just
works
down
the
street
lives
in
Oak
Park,
he's
working
with
the
mayor
of
Oak
Park
and
the
council
Vera
to
look
at
racial
equity.
P
So
hope
that
I
guess
my
suggestion
would
be
before
we
go
too
far
with
this
framework
that
we
might
look
at
some
other
ones
that
actually
just
focus
on
government
entities.
I
also
would
hope
that
I
know.
Budget
numbers
are
her
type
for
us,
but
I
would
hope
that
there
is
some
kind
of
really
meaningful
training
that
the
commissioners
are
going
through,
because
you
all
are
being
asked.
P
You
know
you're
being
charged
with
a
very
big
task
here
and
unless
you
have
done
you
know
it
kind
of
kind
of
made
a
framework
or
toolkit
for
a
government
agency.
I
just
don't
want
us
to
go
too
far
down
the
road
and
realize
we
missed
a
couple
of
things
just
because,
as
a
council,
we
didn't
set
you
guys
up
for
success
with
the
proper
training.
So.
U
Two
points
here
is
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
is
a
starting
off
point
in
terms
of
how
we're
establishing
our
processes
in
the
framework
so
very
open
to
hearing
your
feedback
and
in
terms
of
government,
and
the
second
is
the
cost
associated
to
this
right.
Now
it
is
training,
so
that
would
be
the
primary
cost
at
that
point.
So
so
you.
P
P
T
A
it's
a
group
of
extraordinary
individuals
that
you
appointed
to
serve
on
the
Commission,
but
we
don't
all
have
background
in
equity,
diversity
and
inclusiveness.
So
we
have
all
of
us
gone
through
some
part
of
training
in
various
places,
but
we
haven't
done
comprehensive
training.
We
hope
that
by
working
through
development
of
an
equity
framework
for
the
city
that
we
will
ourselves
get
more
familiar
with
that
context,
the
trainings
that's
been
made
available
to
city
employees
doctor
a
team
has
also
made
it
available
to
the
commissioners
participate
so.
N
Dr.
Harman
coordinator,
yes,
that
is
correct,
so
we
have
had
the
beyond
diversity.
We've
had
white
privilege.
We
had
several
of
those.
In
addition,
I'd
like
to
point
out
and
I
put
a
little
bit
in
your
packet
about
the
BIOS
is
that
the
the
commissioners,
a
vast
majority
of
them,
come
with
equity
experience
based
on
their
work
and
and
have
a
great
deal
of
of
equity
experience.
If
I
can
also
comment,
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
look
very
strongly
across
all
of
these
frameworks-
and
this
one
was
particularly.
N
Particularly
interesting
to
us,
because
not
only
do
they
work,
they
don't
they've
you're
right,
they
don't
work
just
with
government,
but
they
have
worked
intentionally
to
be
the
organization
to
see
that
local
organizations,
including
local
government,
were
all
doing
this
work
and
they
set
out
to
it,
says,
put
put
a
guide
in
place
for
any
organization
and
they
they
have
worked
with.
As
you
said,
with
race,
horde
and
and
policy
lank
all
places
that
we
have
connected
with
and
have
gone
to
been
in
some
attendance
at
their
conferences
with.
R
T
R
I
think
all
of
us
behind
the
diets
understand
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
you're
taking
on
I
mean
you're,
looking
to
reverse
what
we
would
probably
simply
label
as
years
and
years
of
racism
piled
with
with
with
some
other
isms
and
so
I
guess,
I'll
speak
for
myself.
I,
don't
expect
a
quick
fix
and
I
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
respect
for
the
mayor's
selection
and
who
he
chose
to
to
represent
this.
R
You
work
you
work
very
closely
with
the
other
facebait
organizations
in
town.
So
so
that's
something
important.
That
I
think
is
that
we
need
to
call
out,
in
addition,
miss
Lyons
in
your
years
of
service
for
with
the
Moran
Center
and,
if
I've
forgotten
anyone
that
just
means
that
I've
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
work
closely
with
you.
But
thank
you
mayor
for
the
team
that
you've
put
together
what
I,
understand
and
I
think
we
covered
this
in
our
first
meeting.
Dr.
Afyon-
and
these
are
my
words
summarizing
you
fit.
R
You
broke
it
down
into
phase
one
and
phase
two
I
think
your
task
as
great
as
it
is.
It
was
really
you're
answering
the
question
of
how
to
if
we're
going
to
best
deliver
our
city
services.
If
that's
what
you're
charged
with
then
I
think
you're.
Well,
my
summary
of
your
words
is:
we
have
to
look
internally
and
so
there's
a
timeline
somewhere
in
there.
That
explains
how
we're
going
to
do
that
and
after
we
figure
out
that
piece
and
we
can
look
out
orally
and
talk
about
how
we
deliver
our
services
in
the
community.
R
I
am
in
favor
of
changing
the
the
title.
If
the
committee
feels
that
that
makes
sense
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
fact
that
not
only
that
you
know
what
under
Wally's
leadership,
we
have
our
position,
but
there's
also
a
position
that
was
recently
created,
Northwestern
and
also
district
65
and
I
know
that
district
202
is
contracting.
Someone
to
do
that
work,
so
I'm,
just
I'm
speaking
in
favor
I
know
that
it
comes
with
a
lot
of
challenges
and
a
lot
of
criticism
and
just
saintly.
R
J
Q
Just
if
I
may,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
issue
of
internal
versus
external
is
a
really
interesting
one
and
I
think
it's
worth
another
moment
to
talk
about
I.
Think
when,
when
dr.
African
was
hired,
this
was
new
I
think
we
were
creating
a
framework
that
was
different.
Other
communities
around
America,
other
local
governments
have
taken
this
on
and
they
have
gone
down
very
similar
paths
and
I
think
was
very
clear
early
on
that
Evanston
was
a
different
path
and
that
we
did
not
want
to
necessarily
replicate
what
other
local
governments
have
done.
Q
Because,
quite
honestly,
we
don't
do
that
for
anything
else
in
Evanston.
Why
would
we
well
I
would
equity
an
empowerment
be
any
different
and
because
we
took
a
different
approach
dr.
after
him,
I
think
was
was
approached
by
it
by
people
from
all
over,
not
only
all
over
Evanston
but
really
all
over
the
country
and
I
think
it
just
became
overwhelming
and
I.
Think.
As
you
know,
many
of
you
know
dr.
Q
Q
That's
a
different
voice
and
I
think
that
many
of
our
colleague
communities
around
America
have
really
sought
her
out.
So
I've
encouraged
her
to
politely
decline.
Some
of
these
things
I
know
she's
she's
speaking
ICMA,
the
International
City
Managers
Association
really
wants
to
take
a
leadership
role
in
this
area
and
that's
one
exception.
I
have
allowed
her
to
make
and
she's
the
main
equity
speaker
at
the
ICC
made
annual
conference
in
Baltimore
coming
up
in
September,
but
but
really
short
of
that.
We
want
to
focus
internally.
Q
Q
So
I
think
it's
important,
madam
chair
to
you,
know
to
recognize
dr.
Humes
good
works
recognize
that
we
need
to
be
a
little
selfish
and
have
her
focus
on
our
organization
and
politely
decline.
Some
of
the
other
other
requests
for
her
work
and
helping
other
local
governments
around
America
sort
out
these
difficult
issues,
Thank.
P
Did
you
have
your
lighting
I
just
want
to
make
one
more
suggestion
which
I'm
probably
dr.
Ephraim
knows
about
already,
but
for
more
technical
support
and
working
with
municipalities.
The
National
League
of
Cities
cities,
which
we
are
a
member
of,
has
an
entire
office
of
which
I
am
a
commissioner,
a
steering
committee
member
or
whatever
it's
called,
but
they
also.
You
know
they
do
a
lot
of
technical
support.
Again.
P
I'm
I
continue
to
hone
in
on
working
with
city
governments,
because,
as
I
go
to
many
many
trainings,
they
pretty
much
concur
that
city
governments
are
very
different
than
other
entities,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
nonprofits
can
do
you
know
kind
of
overnight
or
very
quickly.
The
city
governments
can't
do
so.
I
just
want
to
keep
cautioning
that
it's
very
important,
that
we
look
at
equity
and
city
or
some
kind
of
government
entity,
because
many
agencies
are
doing
it
and
it's
very
slow
and
cumbersome
work.
P
V
Up
I,
just
can't
sit
still
any
longer
good
evening
since
I
was
a
part
of
this
group.
When
we
were
deciding
about
this
position
and
way
before
equity
became
the
key
word
for
everyone
to
say.
I
want
to
take
the
last
two
councils
back
when
we
started
to
under
minute
is
doll.
If
you
remember,
we
started
to
try
and
do
topics
within
this
community,
yes
and
I'm,
bringing
this
back
to
all
the
Clements
and
looking
at
the
KC
foundation,
if
you're
the
first
step
is
choosing
a
common
language.
V
If
you
remember
that
was
the
first
session
that
we
had
so
Evanson
is
always
ahead
of
everything
we
were
ahead
of
ourselves.
Even
when
we
didn't
know,
we
were
ahead
of
ourselves
in
terms
of
doing
this,
and
I
also
want
to
say
that,
no
matter
what
we
do
in
this
city
in
this
country
starts
at
the
top.
So
yes
we're
through
the
training,
but
we
also
want
the
councilmembers
to
do
some
of
this
training
as
well,
so
that
you
can
be
very
much
aware
of
where
all
of
this
is
going.
V
A
Q
Mayor
members
of
the
committee
in
the
staff
report
that
you
have
really
raises
some
issues
that
we
find
that
we're
not
able
to
address
regarding
the
increased
need
for
translation
services,
especially
for
community
meetings.
The
memorandum
goes
into
I
think
in
some
detail.
Some
of
the
costs
associated
with
this
I
think
our
policy
up
until
now
has
been
to
try
to
accommodate
any
request.
That
seems
reasonable.
As
you
can
see,
some
of
the
requests
are
starting
to
cost
more
more
money
than
we
currently
have
budgeted.
Q
So
we're
looking
to
the
committee
for
some
direction
as
to
what
a
good
policy
would
be
I
mean
one
option
would
be
to
take
this
and
refer
it
back
to
the
equity
and
empowerment
commission
and
asked
them
to
to
look
at
it
and
and
make
some
recommendations
to
us.
We
again
try
to
look
at
the
best
practices
of
other
organizations
and,
quite
honestly,
they're
all
over
the
place,
so
once
again,
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
find
what
makes
sense
for
Evanston.
Q
W
J
W
Q
You
recommend
that
we
do
then
send
get
back
to
the
Commission
okay.
So,
madam
chair,
if
that's,
if
that's
alright
I
guess
we
I
would
ask
that
the
recommendation
be
that
the
Commission
addressed
this
soon.
We
would
need
I
think
to
know
really
in
the
September
timeframe
what
what
a
process
would
be
so
that
we
could
incorporate
that
into
the
budget.
Dr.
Ephraim
I,
don't
know
how
realistic
that
is
right.
J
Q
Laid
out
most
of
the
issues
here
so
I
think
it's
really
just
a
discussion
of
the
Commission.
Then
to
make
some
recommendations,
the
Rules
Committee
would
meet
again
in
I.
Guess
it
is
in
October,
so
we
could
bring
it
back
or
we
could
I'm
sure
send
it
back
to
rules,
not
something
we've
dealt
with
previously.
So
again.
Part
of
this
is
just
to
come
up
with
a
path
that
the
the
committee
is
comfortable
with
yeah.
W
I
think
you
know
I
just
want
to
add
to
what
I'd
say.
My
expectation
would
be
that
the
budget
information,
the
costs,
all
of
that
material,
be
provided
to
them.
For
that
conversation,
obviously,
in
a
perfect
world,
yeah
just
translate
everything,
but
they
need
to
have
a
good
grip
on.
You
know
what
the
what
the
practical
realities
are
and
and
I
think,
rather
than
come
back
to
rules.
It's
just
you
know,
hands
up
in
a
budget
line
item.
You
know
as.
Q
We
get
with
ippolit
with
a
policy
that
would
travel.
I
was
like
because
I
think
with
this
budget,
unlike
maybe
some
previous
years,
there
are
going
to
be
some
policies
like
that.
We're
gonna
ask
the
council
to
consider
travel
and
training.
I
know
absolutely
is
going
to
be
review,
some
changes
of
policy
there.
So
if
that's
the
will,
the
committee
will
just
ask
the
Commission
to
put
it
on
their
list
and
come
back.
You
know,
have
it
have
it
process
prior
to
the
first
part
of
October.
A
Q
And
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
then
I
guess
I'd
would
just
like
to
say
that
we
will
at
this
point
just
do
our
best
we'll
deal
with
each
individual
request.
We've
had
requests
for
simultaneous
translation
award
meetings,
which
is
very
difficult
to
do.
We've
had
I
think
as
the
memo
talks
about
the
sort
of
the
state
of
the
art
here
is
a
very
electronic
base
where
a
translator
is
literally
somewhere
else,
not
in
the
room
at
the
meeting,
but
it's
connected
electronically
and
those
costs.
Q
You
know
nine
hundred
dollars
for
one
hour
translation,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
We
do
not
have
staff
designated
to
do
simultaneous
translation.
That's
a
skill
that
I,
don't
believe
any
of
our
staff
members
have
I
think
we
have
been
fortunate
to
rely
on
the
kindness
of
community
members
from
time
to
time
to
provide
simultaneous
translation
as
the
the
need
arises.
I
I
think
it
was.
The
question
was
the
the
Dodge
Avenue
bike?
Was
it
not
by
the
bus?
Q
N
N
The
complexities
of
the
language
are
very
different
and
if
we
were
to
get
into
any
any
issues
that
had
some
lots
of
technical
language,
late,
legal
language
or
either
even
any
financial
ramifications,
if
you
were
translating
for
someone
about
a
ticket-
and
you
got
something
wrong
and
they
misunderstood
that
they
end
up
having
to
pay
the
ticket
or
a
fine,
we
could
be
responsible.
So
there
are
some
complexities
to
this.
That
there's
been.
We've
been
working
on
this
for
about
six
months
in
terms
of
how
do
we
go?
P
I'm,
so
real
quick
get
the
I
think
it
lays
it
out
in
here,
but
my
only
concern
is
what
was
what
is
here
that
I
hope
we
focus
on
if
we
do
translate
the
you
know,
the
material
that
there's
someone
who
speaks
Spanish
at
the
meeting.
I
know
I
have
some
residents
in
my
ward,
who
you
know
frequently
come
to
meetings
or
offer
to
speak
to
people
who
you
know
have
limited
English
learning,
but
in
my
ward,
I
also
have
I
think
about
now.
P
80
people
on
a
Spanish
newsletter
who
signed
up
for
Spanish
newsletter
and
I,
think
it
is
our
responsibility.
My
responsibility
to
communicate
with
all
of
my
constituents,
not
just
the
ones
who
can't
speak
English
sure
can
bring
a
child
with
them.
Who
can
translate
for
them.
So
I
think
as
we
definitely
talk
about
equity
and
we
had
the
signs
everyone's
welcome
printed
up
in
several
different
languages.
P
My
thing
is:
if,
as
we
do
this,
that
we
would
make
sure
that,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
policy,
it's
very
clear
as
to
what
things
are
translated.
You
know
if
it
has
to
be
at
all
City
meeting
or
whatever
it
is
because
you
know
things
that
I
have
in
my
ward,
are
smaller
and
so
they're,
not
necessarily
gonna
fall.
C
Alderman
Rainey,
yes,
I've
been
at
several
PTA
presentations,
where
there
are
simultaneous
translation,
it's
going
on
with
headphones.
So
obviously
district
65
has
that
capability
and
it
would
seem
to
me
we
would
get
in
touch
with
them
and
find
out
what
what
their
services
are.
I
would
think,
but
as
an
aside
and
I
have,
I
am
familiar
with
two
people
who
are
very
professional
translators,
who
have
expressed
to
me
that
they
are
very
appalled
at
some
of
our
translations.
C
Q
And
you
know
we
have
for
a
long
time
relied
on
on
staff
members
who,
who
perhaps
are
conversational
Spanish,
who
have
had
other
duties
who
then
get
pulled
into
you
know
in
this
translation
work
which
they
happily
do
to
the
best
of
their
ability.
I've
been
very
defensive
and
so
and
so
that
that's
the
challenge
and
I
think
we're
where
we
are
in
the
world
today
and
the
the
desires
of
many
of
you
here
on
the
diocese
and
community
members
to
do
a
better
job.
Q
We
just
needed
to
share
this
information
with
you
and
to
be
quite
honest,
that
it
didn't
be
a
significant
cost
to
do
it
right
and
so
we'll
take
this
direction.
Ask
the
Commission
for
some
assistance
we've
already
begun
costing
out.
You
know:
staff
versus
contract
staff
versus
contractors
we've
reached
out
to
some
communities.
Q
The
city
of
Anaheim
California
has
translated
the
same
budget
tool
that
we're
using
and
they
I
think
have
a
community
with
far
more
Spanish
speakers
than
we
do
and
you
know,
and
they
the
the
bar
for
them,
is
lower
for
translation,
I
think
than
it
is
for
us,
and
so
again
every
community
is
different
and
we
just
the
bar
is
higher
here
and
we
need
to
just
budget
that
and
we'll
do
the
best
we
can
through
the
render
the
fiscal
year
until
the
council
makes
a
bunch
of
decision.
Thank
you.
A
A
And
if
you
all
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna
just
discuss
a
little
bit
about
this
Wall
Street
Journal
article
that
actually
Wally
sent
to
us
and
actually
I've
heard
about
it
from
several
other
people
in
the
larger
community
about
declining
political
civility-
and
they
are
great
irony-
is
that
Duluth
tackle
Duluth
Minnesota
and
if
any
of
you
have
know
anything
about
Minnesota
its
Minnesota
nice
and
what
that
means
is
no.
You
really
can't
get
an
opinion
from
people
in
Minnesota
about
anything
because
they
just
think
everything
is
nice.
A
I
say
that
because
I
have
family
who
lived
north
of
Duluth,
but
I
think
it
was
very
interesting
to
read
this
article
about
what
Duluth
did
actually
fifteen
years
ago
to
deal
with
a
crisis
that
they
were
having
in
political
civility
and
their
community
at
a
time
of
terrible
economic
decline
there.
Since
then,
Duluth
has
had
something
of
a
comeback,
but
they
were
getting
population
shrinkage
and
they
had
tremendous
loss
of
jobs
and
really
had
a
lot
of
economic
stress
going
on
so
I
liked.
What
the
Duluth
did
I
mean.
A
They
really
engaged
the
entire
community
in
terms
of
recognizing
that
the
conversations
that
they
were
having
amongst
their
government
entities
and
their
school
districts
and
their
population,
their
residents
had
really
become
really
rancorous
and
non-productive
I.
Think
all
of
us
who
have
been
to
meetings
in
the
last
six
eight
ten
months
a
year
recognized
that
I
think
for
whatever
reasons,
and
there
are
of
them
out
there-
that
we
all
can
point
to
I
think
our
political
discussion
has
moved
from
Evanston,
vigorous,
passionate
to
a
little
bit
of
evidence
from
Evanston,
rancorous
and
I.
A
Think
we
all.
Everyone
pays
a
price
for
that
and
the
work
that
we
do
pays
a
price
and
I.
Don't
know
that
we're
being
as
true
to
our
true
Evanston
selves
and
believing
in
public
debate
and
lots
of
vigorous
discourse.
So
I
asked
the
city
manager
to
put
this
on,
because
I
think
that
this
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
keep
talking
about
it.
A
Briefly,
Holloman,
Grover
and
I
were
discussing
the
Evanston
Community
Foundation,
perhaps
picking
this
up,
something
where
I'd
like
to
have.
This
continue
to
sit
on
our
agenda
for
us
to
talk
about.
I
know
that
district
65
has
changed
the
climate
in
district
65
with
their
what
miss
Harlan
was
referring
to
earlier
the
four
keys
that
they
use
now
to
help
change
behavior
and
get
past
some
of
the
difficulties.
So
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
all
I
would
like
us
to
talk
about.
A
W
W
Certainly,
in
my
nine
years,
the
past
year
exceeds
the
prior
eight
by
multiples
as
far
as
the
kinds
of
things
that
people
are
willing
to
say
to
my
face
at
a
train
station
standing
outside
in
the
hallway
screaming
literally
profanity
personal
insults
things
in
front
of
my
children
that
that's
just
not
okay,
it
might
not
be
illegal
and
I
get
people
like
that's
not
illegal.
It's
free
speech.
W
Okay,
that's
fine,
but
if
you
want
any
decent,
normal
human
being
to
want
to
do
the
job
that
we're
up
here,
doing
if
that's,
how
you're
going
to
get
treated
you're
not
going
to
get
any
decent,
normal
human
being
who's
willing
to
the
job,
so
we
all
work
really
hard.
We
don't
always
agree
on
everything.
In
fact,
often
we
disagree,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
something
gets
voted
on.
We
go
to
the
next
thing,
because
that's
our
job
I
try
to
stay
off
social
media,
but
I
know
that
there
are
things
about.
W
You
know
comments.
You
know
the
council's
exhausted.
It's
not
fair
that
they're
exhausted!
They
shouldn't
be
exhausted
about
this
side
or
the
other
issue.
We
might
be
exhausted,
but
we
are
not
taking
it
out
at
the
vote.
We
come
up
here
and
we
vote
and
we
do
we
do
what
we
think
is
right
and
even
though
I'm
exhausted,
I'm,
not
gonna
change.
My
vote
because
I'm
frustrated
that
somebody
yelled
at
me
at
the
train
station,
not
gonna,
do
it
never
gonna
happen
and
I
think
that
same
thing
applies
for
all
of
us.
W
You
know
it's
okay
for
us
to
express
our
first
station
to
our
friends
or
to
other
people,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
up
here
doing
the
job
that
we're
supposed
to
do,
but
it's
not
from.
In
my
opinion,
it's
not
okay
for
an
Evanston
standard
to
have
people
come
to
County,
you
know
come
to
comment
again.
It
might
be
legal,
it
might
not
be
against
the
law.
That's
I
get
that
I'm
a
lawyer,
but
I
don't
feel
like
it's
okay
for
people
to
come
up
and
make
personal
attacks.
W
I,
don't
think
it's
nice
to
hold
up
unflattering
pictures,
I,
don't
think
it's
nice
to
utilize
tactics
and
methods
that
people
know
are
gonna
hurt
someone's
feelings
when
they
have
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
the
issue
itself
and
if
we
can
get
away
from
that
handful
of
like
little.
You
know
things
that
happen
but
happen
loudly
and
hurtfully
and
painfully
I
think
that
we
can
enhance
the
community
conversation.
W
We
can
get
back
to
having
difficult
discussions,
because
some
of
the
discussions
are
very
difficult
and
challenging,
but
we
can
overcome
that
and
again
I
forget
who
said
it,
but
somebody
said
we,
you
know
we
can
work
together
and
accomplish
a
lot
you
we
can
and
we
do.
We
just
heard
about
the
equity,
empowerment
Commission.
We
do
affordable
housing
work.
We
do
so
many
amazing
things
that
we
don't
have
to
do
that.
People
in
the
community
don't
even
realize
we're
doing,
and
that's
I
think
we're
much
more.
The
focus
needs
to
go
all
right.
S
S
The
short
video
from
Duluth
I
was
hoping
we
could
listen
to
that
tonight,
but
obviously
we're
running
out
of
time,
but
I
wish
everybody
on
the
council
would
take
a
look
at
that,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
to
get
is
sort
of
an
objective
outside
view
of
a
community
who
that
really
has
been
working
on
this
issue
for
a
long
time
and
in
many
ways
it's
it's
similar
to
to
Evanston.
So
so
to
my
colleagues,
please
please
take
a
look
at
that.
S
It's
I
think
only
like
I
said
seven
minutes,
so
the
other
thing
that
worries
me
and
I've
mentioned
this
at
council
before
about
the
the
quality
of
the
dialogue.
We're
having
in
the
community
is
that
it
not
only
affects
the
community,
it
affects
us,
but
it
affects
our
staff
and
I've
I've
been
really
concerned
with
how
that
reaches
down
into
the
organization
and
has
a
very
debilitating
top
most
toxic
effect
on
the
workplace.
S
We
depend
on
our
staff
to
do
an
extraordinarily
extraordinary
amount
of
work
and
outreach
and
service
to
the
community,
and
to
do
that
and
do
it
effectively.
You
have
to
have
a
really
positive
attitude
you
have
to.
You
have
to
renew
yourself
on
a
on
a
daily,
if
not
hourly
basis,
in
order
to
do
that
and
and
do
the
job
that
we're
asking
them
to
do
so.
I
think
it's
just
extremely
important
that
we
spend
some
time
doing
this
and
taking
a
look
at
what
we
can
do
to
improve
the
dialogue
in
the
community.
S
So
at
my
first
board
meeting
is
coming
up
in
September
and
this
is
gonna
be
one
of
the
topics
on
our
agenda
I'll,
let
you
know
how
that
goes,
but
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
get
some
buy-in
from
the
community
and
and
work
toward
what
I
think
is
really
rebuilding
the
kind
of
kind
of
dialogue
that
we've
been
so
proud
of
in
the
past.
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
regarding
social
media
I'm
as
far
as
I
know,
I'm
off
Facebook,
but
somehow
it
never
dies.
S
So
it's
not
something
that
I
follow.
I
do
get
a
lot
of
reports
about
what's
appearing
in
Facebook
I.
Think
everybody
kind
of
needs
to
understand
that
we're
in
sort
of
uncharted
territory
here
and-
and
that
may
be
a
casual
remark
made
in
the
wee
morning.
Hours
on
Facebook
is
going
to
have
a
the
kind
of
rebound
that
maybe
no
one
anticipated.
It
does
all
reflect
on
our
community
and
does
all
reflect
much
deeper
than
just
just
us.
S
A
I
I
know
we
have
to
move
on,
but
I'm
just
going
to
read
the
nine
principles
from
Duluth's
speaker,
peace
program
and
then
I
think
we
should
move
on.
But
I
will
continue
to
raise
this
issue.
They
are
pay
attention,
listen,
be
inclusive,
don't
gossip
now
remember
this
was
from
15
years
ago,
so
I
think
that
might
be
don't
boost
on
Facebook
show
respect
the
agreeable
apologize.
Give
constructive
criticism,
take
responsibility,
so
I
I
think
we
all
should
just
review
all
of
those
things
as
we
come
to
every
meeting.
Thank
you.
So
next
is
item.
A
X
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Just
wanted
to
start
off
this
conversation
because
we've
had
several
people
come
up
from
the
public
when
I've
been
presiding
over
this
and
saying
oh
you're,
not
following
the
rules
were
allowed
to
cede
time
and
maybe
perhaps
after
I
legally
consul
can
just
to
speak
because
I've
gone
to
legal
counsel
and
I
said.
Okay.
Help
me
help
me
with
the
rules
new
mayor
here.
Everything
else.
X
The
rules
say
anything
about
seeding
time
and
the
bottom
line
is
is
I've
been
told
that
they
don't
speak
to
it
at
all,
and
so
there
seems
to
certainly
be
confusion
out
there,
because,
because
I
have
that's
a
matter
of
practice
said:
listen,
you
can't
seed
time
and
yet
I
think,
as
a
matter
of
practice
has
been
done,
there's
been
a
couple
times
when
it
has
but
has
been
seeded
and
honestly,
my
my
thinking
and
the
reason
that
I
did,
that
is,
we
have
a
limited
amount
of
time
for
public
comment.
45
minutes
we
take.
X
The
total
number
of
speakers
divide
it
by
there
and
I.
Don't
want
people
to
game
the
system?
Okay.
So
if
there's
a
hot
issue,
I,
certainly
don't
want
30
people
coming
up
and
saying
sign
up,
sign
up,
sign
up
and
then
we're
all
going
to
cede
our
time
to
you
know
Mary
or
Joe,
and
so
that's
been
one
thought
that's
been
in
my
mind.
The
second.
X
X
So
I
just
really
wanted
to
have
a
conversation
amongst
the
council
up
here
to
get
other
people
to
chime
in
on
this,
because
I
certainly
want
to
be
cognizant
rule
and
make
sure
that
I'm
properly
applying
it
it's
the
presider
of
these
meetings
and
and
if
it
is,
you
know
a
general
consensus.
No,
we
should
allow
people
to
cede
time.
Then
we
will
but
right
now
my
understanding
is
the
rules.
Do
not
speak
to
that.
Y
X
The
only
other
point
I'd
like
to
make,
which
is
we
have
really
engaged
people.
We
all
know
that
a
residence
here
in
Evanston
they
want
to
have
opportunities,
certainly
to
be
heard.
We
also
have
processes
for
all
the
decisions
that
we
make
here
going
from
sometimes
boards
and
commissions,
then
to
subcommittees
of
the
council,
then
to
the
council
itself.
X
So
there
are
many
different
layers
along
the
way
in
which
your
voice
can
be
heard,
but
if
we
feel
like
there's
still
this
feeling
out
there
that
we're
not
being
heard
and
sometimes
I
do
think
people
confuse
you're
not
listening
to
to
me
with
no
I
am
listening
to
you.
I
just
disagree
with
you.
Sometimes
I
think
that
gets
confused
because
I
do
think
people
think
man,
if
you
would
just
listen
to
me
a
little
longer
you'd,
see
my
point
of
view
and
then
you'd
vote.
X
The
way
that
I
want
you
to
vote
so,
but
if
there's
a
general
feeling
here
that
we
don't
have
an
mediums
for
people
to
communicate,
you
know
one
thing
we
could
think
of.
As
a
council
is,
you
know,
you'd
have
to
figure
out
how
to
staff.
This
is
just
like
they
do
up
in
Congress
and
Capitol
Hill
is
you
can
flip
on
c-span,
and
you
can
see
somebody
up
there
talking
you
know:
do
you
want
to
set
up
set
a
time
and
just
say?
X
Okay
during
during
the
week,
there'll
be
one
time
for
a
three-hour
period.
People
can
come
forward,
maybe
it's
here
and
just
like
c-span,
it's
an
empty
chamber.
None
of
your
colleagues
are
up
there
and
listening
to
you,
but
it's
an
opportunity.
Those
public
comments,
then,
could
be
televised.
Those
public
comments
could
then
be.
You
know,
attached
it's
a
link
to
the
packet
and
perhaps
then
the
public
could
feel
like
no
okay.
I
did
get
my
opportunity,
but
of
course
you
don't
have
the
whole
council.
There
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
X
A
A
I
think
your
point
is
one
that
we
try
to
stress.
I
took
people.
Many
many
times
is
that
everything
that
we
receive
is
read
by
us
and
and
I.
Think.
All
of
us
really
appreciate
a
well-crafted
argument
that
that's
provided
in
writing
or
by
email
that
we
can
have
some
time
to
contemplate
and
review
as
opposed
to
the
speed
talking
or
you
know,
speed
comments
and
that
we
do
look
at
all
of
these
documents
that
people
hand
to
us
all
the
time
and
and
I
I
appreciate
them.
A
W
You
about
a
year
or
so
ago,
I
spoke
at
an
event,
and
we
were
talking
about.
One
of
the
things
I
was
talking
about
was
what
I
perceive
to
be
effective
advocacy
and
the
like
it's
at
the
lowest
end
of
the
spectrum
was
the
petition
where
somebody
just
clicks
a
button
and
it
automatically
sends
a
form
email,
it's
sort
of
the
least
persuasive.
W
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
you
know
a
phone
calls
personal
conversations,
a
handwritten
letter,
things
like
that
are
to
me
much
more
impactful,
because
they
tell
me
that
somebody
is
actually
interested
in
taking
that
time
to
to
take
that
step.
At
the
same
time,
I
feel
the
same
way
about,
generally
speaking,
about
public
comment.
If
somebody's
going
to
go
to
the
trouble
and
sit
through
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
maybe
doesn't
relate
to
their
particular
thing
and
is
willing
to
sit
here
to
to
have
that
opportunity
to
speak.
W
That
is
important
to
me
and
I
value
that
a
great
deal.
That
said,
and
it
might
seem
initially
counterintuitive
but
I
view
the
idea
of
not
allowing
seating
the
time
to
preserving
that
opportunity,
because,
for
example,
as
the
mayor
alluded
to
it
would
be
too
easy
to
kind
of
adopt
a
policy
that
automatically
allowed
that.
How
would
that
be
a
problem?
Let's
say
somebody
has
their
friend
come
in
a
bunch
of
friends.
Come
in
12
people
sign
up
your
speaking.
Opportunity
is
proportionate
to
the
number
of
people
who
sign
up.
W
W
The
point
point
being
at
some
point:
you
might
be
able
to
sign
up
online
things.
The
technology
is
evolving,
so
the
point
of
that
is
that
if
somebody
gets
their
friend
to
sign
up,
then
that
proportionally
impacts
in
a
negative
way.
All
of
the
other
people
who've
shown
up.
So
one
person
gets.
You
know,
20
minutes
and
the
other
people
only
get
a
minute
and
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
The
person
who
takes
the
time
to
show
up
should
be
treated
equally
and
and
I,
don't
really
want
to.
W
You
know
kind
of
enable
that
kind
of
gaming
of
the
system
yeah.
That's
that's
my
main
point
when
we
have
other
circumstances
that
are
exceptions,
I
think
one
of
the
developments,
maybe
more
than
one
of
the
developments.
There
were
significant
presentations
that
were
I,
guess
appropriate,
based
on
what
the
nature
of
the
presentations
were.
So
rather
than
giving
the
opposition
okay,
a
couple
people
can
sign
up,
they
were
given
an
opportunity
to
actually
make
formal
presentations.
It's
arranged
ahead
of
time,
and
that
gives
you
know
it
gives
people
an
opportunity
to
fully
vet
their
perspective.
W
If
it's,
you
know
thoughtful
and
planned
out,
so
we
have
those
opportunities
that
are
available.
The
mayor
did
provide
for
that,
so
those
things
are
are
routinely
allowed.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
this
as
a
problem.
I
see
this
as
a
way
it's
out
of
helping
to
preserve
the
people.
The
equal
opportunity,
baldwin.
Z
So
maybe
we've
been
moving
more
in
that
direction.
But
initially
it
seemed
to
me
that
it
was
the
way
citizens
were
encouraged
to
be
able
to
craft,
and
you
know
coherent
argument
was
because
they
were
allowed
to.
Let
one
person
make
a
presentation
and
have
more
than
the
three
minutes
so
I
we
need.
We
either
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
some
mechanism
to
really
allow
for
those
kinds
of
thoughtful
detailed
presentations.
S
The
forty-five
minutes
so
I
I
would
just
encourage
us
to
find
a
way
to
make
that
a
more
formal,
formal
process
that
will
help
us
better
plan.
The
time
that
is
is
used
and
I'm.
Sorry,
as
a
point
of
personal
privilege,
I've
been
thinking
about
MS
Keenan's
comments
again
and
about
the
July
23rd
meeting
and
seeding
time,
and
it
was
very
clear
to
me
at
that
meeting
that
because
of
the
number
of
speakers,
we
were
not
going
to
be
seeding
time.
S
I
was
trying
trying
to
follow
the
mayor's
the
mayor's
process
that
sitting
in
for
him.
The
the
point
is
that
everyone
who
spoke
at
that
meeting,
whether
it
was
perceived
as
seeding
time
or
not
everyone's
name,
was
on
the
list
of
speakers.
So
if
someone
chose
not
to
speak,
they
didn't
have
to
speak.
Someone
else
was
called
and
their
name
was
on
the
list.
S
We
can
certainly
refer
back
to
the
sign-up
sheets,
but
I
I
I
think
the
system,
as
its
working
is
trying
to
be
as
fair
as
possible
and
going
back
to
what
alderman
Wilson
said,
the
opportunity
that
people
have
not
only
through
emails,
but
the
effective
communication
I
try
to
answer
all
of
my
emails.
Some
of
these
issues
are
so
complicated
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
background
material
it
would
just
be
so
time-consuming.
I
always
tell
people
to
call
me
up.
S
We
think
we
can
talk
about
it
on
the
phone,
that's
not
a
way
of
trying
to
say
I,
don't
want
to
get
on
the
record
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
that
these
are
very
big
issues
very
long,
history
of
them
and
a
conversation
is
always
better,
so
that
questions
can
be
answered
in
a
timely
manner.
So
that's
just
the
way,
I
approach,
things.
A
Before
alderman
Braithwaite
I
do
think
that
to
some
extent
all
murmur
evolve.
Some
of
the
issue
that
you're
raising
has
been
handled
before
when
an
issue
comes
to
the
commitment
to
a
committee
and
because
the
committees
have
a
more
informal
discussion
and
in
the
past
before
we
were,
every
committee
met
here
on
the
Dyess.
When
we
were
in
the
committee
rooms,
there
really
was
much
more
of
a
give-and-take
and
that
between
residents,
the
citizens
who
came
and
and
the
committees
where
there
there
would
be
much
more
of
a
dialogue.
A
So
I
think
that
has
changed,
because
we
all
have
microphones
now
and
we
all
sit
behind
this
big
desk.
But
III
think
that
but
I
agree
with
alderman
Fisk
that
some.
If
there
can
be
some
some
some
mechanism
where
a
group
was
able
to
come
forward
and
say
you
know,
we,
we
want
to
have
an
opportunity
to
present
say
something.
A
You
know,
and
you
know
one
aspect
is
always
that
you
know
legal
objectors
who
have
particular
standing
on
zoning
code
and
our
plan
under
our
zoning
code
have
have
certain
rights
under
in
our
ordinance
that
they
do.
If
they
do
have
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
before
others
are
heard,
so
all
right,
alderman
Braithwaite
thank.
R
You,
madam
chair,
you
know
when
I
read
this
I
had
mixed
feelings.
Coming
into
this
conversation
and
after
you
know,
speaking
to
the
mayor,
I
I
understand
what
he
was
looking
to
achieve
and
that
is
basically
a
tool
to
be
more
effective
with
our
hour
45
minutes
and
and
the
reason
why
you
know
I'm
able
to
support
this
and
just
like
everyone
else,
I
think
in
terms
of
how
I
engage
my
residents
I
take
the
phone
calls
just
like
you
do,
access
to
my
email,
with
the
exception
and
I,
think
it's
worth
saying.
R
Whenever
I
get
spammed
I,
don't
read
those
emails
because
it
it
takes
away
from
my
ability
to
respond
to
my
other
residents
and
I.
Think
I'll
just
use
this
moment
to
say
that's
just
rather
frustrating
so
when
I
get
those
I
typically
will
respond
with,
like
one
word
or
one
sentence.
The
other
issue
and
we're
going
to
discuss
this
later
on.
R
Waiting
and
the
chatter
in
between
that
stretches
us
beyond
beyond
productive
hours
and
I,
know
we're
going
to
cover
that
in
our
next
session.
So,
yes,
I
would
be
supportive,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I,
don't
think
we're
saying
we're
gonna
do
that
for
every
single
meeting,
but
for
those
long
meetings,
when
we
do
have
a
lot
of
people
signed
up,
it
does
make
sense
to
be
able
to
invoke
that
rule.
So
I
will
be
I
will
be,
I
will
be
in
support
of
it.
Holloman.
P
Yeah,
real
quick,
so
I
I,
don't
support
this
I
understand
what
the
mayor's
trying
to
do.
However,
you
know
I
think
public
comment
is
what
it
is
and
even
though
I
don't
want
to
hear
a
hundred
people
tell
me
and
in
30
seconds
that
they
support
or
don't
support
something
that
is
their
right
to
do
now.
P
I
speak
at
district
65.
Sometimes
they
do
have
a
buzzer,
it's
very
pleasant.
It
goes
off.
You
know
you're
expected
to
stop
speaking
there
I
think
if
we
can
just
enforce
the
time
a
little
bit
more
and
also
that
involves
the
residents
understanding
that
when
the
buzzer
goes
off,
we
expect
you
to
stop
speaking
so
that
someone
else
can
speak.
Not
so
we
don't
have
to
hear
you,
but
so
someone
else
has
an
apple-pie.
You
know
amount
of
time
to
speak.
Also,
I
tell
my
residents
and
other
people.
P
This
is
not
the
most
productive
way
for
you
to
get
your
argument
across
because
we
are
not
having
a
dialogue
with
you.
I
know
where
it's
broken
a
couple
times
about.
You
know
what
happens
when
I
give
public
comment.
I,
don't
hear
anything
and
it's
just
as
you
see
not
set
up
for
that,
and
so
I
always
tell
people
when
they
call
me.
You
know
that's
when
we
can
have
a
dialogue
or
a
committee
meetings,
but
City
Council.
P
P
That's
the
time
you
have
and
if
that's
how
you
want
to
use
it,
then
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
that
you
know
you
can't
give
your
30
seconds
to
your
neighbor,
but
again,
I
do
think,
there's
some
kind
of
compromise
that
I'd
be
willing
to
make
if
we
saw
their
trajectory
going
to
where
the
mayor
says
in
everyone
is
seeding
time
and
everyone
is
seeding
time
I
mean
my
last
comment.
Just
is
about
the
presentation,
since
that
was
brought
up.
I
would
love
for
us
to
have
kind
of
a
more
formal
process
for
presentations.
P
I
haven't
seen
a
lot,
but
I
know.
Miss
Kelly
was
all
for
the
opportunity
to
come.
Give
her
presentation
about
her
lobbying
ordinance
and
so
I
would
just
hope
that
there's
something
formal
there
so
that
if
someone
else
comes
and
says,
I
want
to
give
a
presentation
about
my
trash.
You
know
that
it's
formalized,
so
we
don't
look
like
we're
playing
favorites
and
I.
Think
that
we
might
other
objection
to
the
way
this
is
written.
P
Is
that
seeding
time
is
prohibited
unless
the
mayor
grants
it
I
just
think
that
puts
us
in
kind
of
a
gray
area
where
people
will
say
well,
that's
the
mayor's
neighbor
or
the
waiter
doesn't
like
me.
You
know
we
would
just
leave
our
so
open
for
people
feeling
like
we're
playing
favorites
and
I.
Don't
want
to
open
up
that
box
anymore,
that
we
have
to.
AA
You,
madam
chair,
I,
think
the
question
that
we
need
to
answer
is:
what's
the
most
effective
use
of
the
45
minutes,
you
know
because
I
don't
I,
don't
know
this
for
sure,
but
even
if
you
had
15
speakers
speaking
three
minutes
exactly,
it's
still
gonna
be
more
than
45
minutes,
always
with
everyone
transitioning
and
the
mayor.
Calling
a
lot
I
think
seeding
time
to
mr.
Smith's
point
earlier
is
probably
a
more
efficient
use
than
having
everyone
speak
for
a
shorter
period.
AA
It's
the
same
thing
to
allow
people
to
do
on
the
fourth
of
July
people
put
out
chairs
for
a
large
area
and
then
break
them
up
for
their
friends,
I.
Think
if
people
show
up
and
establish
that
they're
gonna
see
their
time
ahead
of
time,
it'd
be
more
efficient
than
the
way
that
we
do
it,
where
it's
kind
of
like
an
ad
hoc
I'm,
not
gonna,
speak,
but
this
person
gonna
have
my
time
I.
AA
Think
to
the
agenda
item.
13
I
mean
at
the
critical
things
that
we
have
at
be
45
minutes,
but
I
I
have
hose
a
prohibition
on
seeding
time.
I
just
think
we
should
come
up
with
a
better,
we
better,
a
more
organized
way
to
do
it.
I
also
think
you
know
just
in
thinking
about
the
past
year
and
a
half
like
one
of
the
more
effective
public
comments
was
when
The
Woman's
Club
came
up.
AA
All
together
made
a
brief,
30-second
statement
and
had
everyone
who
was
an
agreement
with
it
stand
up
and
I
think
we
should
encourage
that
type
of
comment,
because
it's
more
effective
and
efficient
and
I
think
a
prohibition
on
seeding
time
sends
a
bad
message.
I
think
we
should
try
figure
out
a
better
policy
that
keeps
us
within
our
timeline
and
respects
the
intention
as
citizen,
confident
so
I'm
gonna
vote
no
on
any
prohibition,
I'd
like
to
continue
to
work
on
the
issue.
X
Would
like
to
clarify
because
I've
heard
it
during
public
comment,
I've
heard
it
it's
sort
of
implied
from
from
one
of
the
aldermen
up
here.
I
am
not
proposing
restricting
making
a
public
comment.
Okay,
this
is
not
about
the
mayor
deciding
oh
yeah.
You
can
speak,
but
you
can't
speak,
but
you
can
speak
I've,
never
done
that
right.
That's
just
absurd
to
even
imply
that,
in
my
opinion,
or
to
outright
directly
state
it,
what
I
am
trying
to
do
with
this
item.
That's
on
this
agenda.
X
There's
really
have
the
conversation
that
we're
having
right
having
right
now,
which
is
the
rule,
is
silent
right
now,
so
I'm
conducting
and
presiding
over
a
public
comment.
The
way
I
am
and
I'm
not
sure,
there's
a
huge
issue
other
than
some
people
saying
I
wanted
to
cede
my
time
and
you
wouldn't.
Let
me
cede
my
time.
It
doesn't
happen
at
all.
X
It
doesn't
happen
that
often
and
yeah
I'm
sort
of
risk
management
kind
of
guy,
so
I'm
looking
forward
and
saying
you
know
somebody
could
monopolize
you
could
I
mean
I
could
come
in
here
on
an
issue
and
figure
out
a
way
to
do
that
by
putting
half
the
people
on
here
and
then
say
to
cede
my
time
now.
You
know
the
way
it
is
the
you
know
what
I
was
trying
to
do
with
putting
it
on
here
was
just
to
Clara
clarify
to
people
that
hey.
X
You
know
the
rule
is
specific,
that
you
can't
cede
time
again,
believing
that
there
are
other
ways
to
outlets
to
communicate
to
the
council,
so
that
was
the
that's.
What
I
was
where
I
was
going
with
this?
In
no
way
is
this
intended
to
limit
anyone's
ability
to
communicate
directly
to
the
councilor
come
before
or
to
somehow
empower
the
mayor
to
make
decisions
on
who
gets
to
speak
to
the
council
and
who
doesn't
I
would
never
do
that
and
I
never
have
done
that.
P
Remember
that
clarification
point
please
cuz
I
believe
he
was
speaking
to
my
statement.
So
I
was
speaking
to
on
the
agenda.
It
says
you
know:
I'm
an
council
rules
the
prohibitive
seeding
time
during
public
comment
unless
exception
granted
by
mayor.
So
that's
what
I
was
speaking
to
not
that
you
would
just
tell
someone
they
can't
speak,
but
the
way
it's
written
is
that
you
would
have
the
power
to
say
if
someone
could
see
their
time
or
not
so
I
didn't
want
to
get
us
down
that.
P
X
W
W
How
about
this?
We,
if
you
were
present,
you
concede
your
time
to
someone
else,
but
there
would
be
kind
of
maybe
a
maximum
mom
and
I
think
suffered
and
said.
You
know
up
to
I.
Think
the
typical
number
of
minutes
is
three
minutes.
So
let's
say
you
know
up
to
nine
minutes.
You
could
get
that
way.
It's
you
know.
Anyone
would
think
you
know
you
probably
can
make
any
reasonable
point
in
nine
minutes.
So
if
you're
present,
you
concede
your
time
to
somebody
else
and
that
person
can
have
up
to
on
up
to
nine
minutes.
W
There
would
potentially
be
these
other
exceptions
that
we
make
for
the
you
know,
presentations
and
things
like
that,
but
that
would
make
some
sense
to
me.
So
if
you're
here
you
can
see
it
and
but
again
I
just
don't
want
it's
not
been
a
problem,
but
you
know
you
wouldn't
want
somebody
coming
in
and
taking
up.
You
know
thirty
minutes
of
the
public
comment
period.
R
Guess
I
just
want
to
reek
lair
fie
what
I
heard
the
mayor's
saying
and
I
put
it
in
my
own
words,
it's
just
we're
trying
to
manage
45-minute
conversation
with
with
our
public
and
so
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
add
more
details
to
it.
It's
just
acknowledging
that
if
we
have
a
long
meeting
with
a
lot
of
agenda
items
and
a
lot
of
people
showing
up
it
just
gives
the
mayor
the
flexibility
to
run
a
more
efficient
meeting
that
that's
all
I
hear
us
doing.
R
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
over
legislate
this
and
tie
it
up
with
additional
rules.
Is
it's
unclear
the
way
the
code
is
written
and
he
is
just
publicly
stating
that
if
we
need
to
get
through
a
long
meeting,
he
has
the
ability
to
say,
while
presiding
over
the
meetings?
Okay,
we
understand
your
point.
All
45
people
we're
not
going
to
seat
it
and
just
move
on
maybe
I'm
overstepping.
What
you're
trying
to
achieve
but
I
think
what
you're
saying
makes
sense
to
me
and
I'm
willing
to
support
it
without
adding
additional
rules
and.
X
X
Other
suggestion
I
mean
look,
look
if
you
wanted
to
keep
it
the
way
it
is
now
the
way
that
I
would
propose.
You
know
managing
it
is
I
agree
with
alderman
Wilson
that
hey
it
should
be
something
if
you've
you've
come
in
here
and
signed
up,
then
you
know
seed,
but
it
would
be
this.
Ask
the
city
clerk,
hey,
add
another
column
to
the
sign-in
sheet.
X
AB
Not
mind
doing
that.
I
just
do
want
to
clarify
that
the
council
rules
do
currently
say
that
someone
can
only
speak
for
three
minutes
and
so
a
lot
of
the
points
that
are
saying
someone
can
monopolize
and
take
20
minutes
or
nine
minutes.
That's
already
addressed
with
the
council
rules,
as
corporation
council
clarified
earlier,
so
someone
can
only
speak
for
three
minutes,
so
I
think
it's
kind
of
addressed
already.
Why.
AB
X
A
Say
I
have
a
been
a
speaker
at
the
City
Council
and
also
having
been
on
the
council
when
there
was
no
time
limit.
No
time
limit
and
people
would
speak
for
20
minutes
a
single
speaker.
So
you
really
can
effectively
get
a
lot
across
in
three
minutes.
I
think
so,
I
I
think
clerk
read
is
raising
raising
a
good
point
that
that's
the
limitation,
so
you
concede,
but
only
up
to
three
minutes
Homer
suffered
in
I
would.
AA
Q
Q
R
Q
A
great
idea
so
we'll
okay,
so
madam
chair
members
committee
we'll
make
that
change
on
the
agenda
and
it
will
work
with
the
city
clerk.
Perhaps
we
can
add
that
to
the
forum
or
they're
already
sheets
out
there
on
the
table.
Maybe
we
have
probably
a
good
opportunity
to
review
what's
posted
anyway,
so
as
I
think,
if
so
between
the
clerk's
office
and
the
manager's
office,
we'll
figure
it
out.
Okay,.
Q
And
yes,
the
September
10th
is
Rosh
Hashanah
of
the
council's
traditionally
not
been
unders
holidays.
What
we
would
like
to
propose
the
council
be
dark
on
September
10th
and
that
September
17th
be
treated
as
a
second
Monday,
so
that
we
would
have
administration
in
public
works
and
planning
and
development
pour
her
that
normal
second
Tuesday's.
W
Q
S
I
just
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
new
voices
and
I
knew
I
knew
I'm,
trying
to
remember
what
exactly
you
did
and
it's
tabulating
tabulating
the
responses,
I
and
I
think
spreading
it
out.
I've,
never
served
on
the
jury,
aye
aye,
I,
cede
my
seat,
I.
Think
I.
Think!
Oh,
it's
not
that
I'm!
Looking
for
more
work
to
do.
I,
just
I,
just
think
that
people
who
have
not
served
on
the
committee
who
would
like
to
serve
on
the
committee
should
the
have
first
choice.
So
absolutely.
A
R
Q
And
manager
members,
the
community
there's
been
a
forum-
that's
been
used
as
the
council
satisfy
with
the
forum.
If
so,
then
this
was
France,
hello
and
I
can
work
with
the
committee
to
get
the
forum
out
over
the
next
few
weeks
and
and
then
once
the
committee.
Maybe
the
committee
could
meet
to
just
come
up
with
a
time
frame.
R
AA
Were
somethings
everything
that
he's
Azen
suggested
that
we
distribute
the
form
as
soon
as
possible
and
then
figure
out
a
time
to
meet
since
we're
just
talking
about
yeah
the
framework,
and
then
we
could
talk
about
the
schedule
once
we
have
the
form
so.
A
I
think
the
form
we
I
the
form
we
have
modified
the
form
slightly
over
time
in
response
to
aldermen
answering
the
form
and
deciding
whether
things
were
relevant
or
not,
and
adding
issues
that
we
thought
were
important
over
time.
Alderman
Braithwaite
you're
asking
for
the
form
to
be
distributed
so
that
you
can
give
feedback
to
the
committee
to
change
questions
on
the.
R
That
would
be
one
of
the
changes
that
I
would
like
to
see
to
the
form
and
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
submit
that
to
someone
in
the
committee,
and
then
you
guys
can
take
the
other
suggestions
and
figure
out
what
you
would
like
to
incorporate
into
the
document.
The
final
document
that's
sent
out
by
dark.
Does
that
make
sense
pretty
simple:
okay,.
AA
AA
R
AB
R
Claim
that
word
as
a
point
of
information,
so
when
the
issue
was
brought
up,
alderman
Rainey
shared
she
read
through
the
minutes
and
she
clarified
that
that
was
not
her
request.
So
since
it
wasn't
her
request,
clerk
we'd
and
typically
we
don't
deal
with
budget
matters
within
the
rule
of
any
lives
within
the
context
of
the
budget.
It
made
sense
for
her
to
withdraw
it
from
the
rules
agenda.
So
we'll
probably
deal
with
the
issue
of
your
office
within
the
context
of
the
budget
discussions.
If
that
makes
sense,
it.
AB
Does
I
just
want
to
you
know
I
just
want
to,
for
the
record
say
that
my
office
wasn't
consulted
on
this
I
had
no
idea
that
there
this
was
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
for
discussion.
I
discovered
it
this
weekend
when
I
went
through
the
agenda
and
I
was
looking
for
their
referendum
question
that
I
thought
would
be
on
the
agenda
and
I.