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A
A
We
hear
testimony
from
those
in
attendance
and
then
make
formal
findings
of
fact,
based
on
the
evidence
presented,
which
consists
of
testimony
and
exhibits
and
on
our
knowledge
of
the
community.
We
then
either
make
a
determination
or
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
Testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence
and
procedures.
We
ask
that
you
keep
your
testimony
relevant
to
your
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
When
you
testify,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
print
your
and
tell
us
your
name
on
the
sign-in
sheet.
Well,
we
don't
have
that
today,
each
case
will
be
introduced
by
the
staff
and
a
list
of
documents
will
be
read
into
the
record.
Then
the
applicant
will
give
an
explanation
of
the
proposal
after
that.
A
B
C
A
Rules
can
I
have
someone
make
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules,
so
we
can
conduct
this
meeting
digitally.
D
I
move
that
we
suspend
the
rules
so
that
we
can
hold
a
virtual
meeting
this
evening
on
zoom
due
to
the
covert
19
pandemic.
D
B
F
B
Please
sorry,
I'm
a
tad
slow
on
things.
It's
okay,
800,
greenwood
street,
andrea,
lisp
proprietor
submits
for
a
special
use
for
a
banquet
hall
800
in
the
c2
commercial
district
zoning
code,
section
61043.
The
zoning
board
of
appeals
makes
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
A
Thank
you
before
we
start,
I
am
going
to
swear
everybody
in
I'll
swear
in
anyone
who
plans
to
give
testimony
in
any
of
our
cases
scheduled
for
tonight.
You
could
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
and
affirm
that
the
testimony
you
will
provide
in
connection
with
this
case
will
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
G
G
I
purchased
this
building
in
january
2019
from
richard
brunet
richard
occupied
this
building.
Since
the
1970s
he's
a
master
luthier,
he
makes
guitars
and
he
moved
to
barrington
and
it
went
from
craftsman
to
craftsman
with
me.
This
building
was
the
home
for
the
evanston
arts
center
by
the
way
from
1946
to
66.
So
this
was
before
harley
clark.
G
G
G
I
will
use
a
preferred
list
of
local
catering
companies
to
provide
food
and
beverage
for
the
venue
I've
been
in
this
special
event
industry
for
29
years.
So,
as
I
said
earlier,
this
was
actually
a
natural
extension
for
my
business
business.
It
had
not
occurred
to
me
until
this
situation,
but
it
does
make
sense.
I
have
designed
invitations
and
visual
branding
and
been
a
part
of
events
ranging
from
the
lyric
opera
and
the
art
institute
here
in
chicago
the
field
museum.
G
A
G
Go
ahead,
okay,
I
will
and
then,
of
course
I'm
I
want
to
just
make
sure
I've
allowed
for
all
that,
so
the
the
way
that
the
venue
operations,
the
number
of
guests
we
anticipate-
would
be
between
10
and
50
people.
All
the
planners
and
caterers
I've
had
out
here
have
told
me
that
the
sweet
spot
right
now
is
20
to
30
people.
That's
what
I
anticipate
will
be
used
here.
I
put
in
the
10
to
50.
10
could
be
a
small
event.
G
50
would
be
the
absolute
maximum,
the
duration
of
events
again
through
consult
with
others.
What
I'm
told
is
with
a
small
group
of
people.
You
really
can't
sustain
interest
between
beyond
two
to
three
hours,
so
I've
put
down
two
to
six
hours
because
there's
an
hour
on
the
front,
let's
say
to
get
set
up
and
an
hour
at
the
end
to
clean
up
somewhere.
In
that
nature,
the
hours
that
we
are
proposing
would
be
luncheons
from
11
to
3
and
evenings
from
five
until
midnight.
G
This
is
and
then
outside
music
until
11
p.m,
sunday
through
thursday
and
12
a.m.
On
friday
and
saturday
I
I
would
like
to
we
did
some
research
on
this
after
the
the
dapper
meeting,
and
so
I'd
like
to
ask
about
that
later,
I'm
wondering
if
we
might
extend
on
the
weekends
till
1
a.m,
to
keep
me
on
par
with
with
some
competition.
D
I
ask
you
a
question
real
fast,
please,
yes,
so
I'm
I'm
familiar
with
the
spot
and
I
and
for
an
event
venue.
I
think
that
it
makes
a
certain
amount
of
sense
to
be
open
until
1am,
but
you
know
you're
just
on
the
west
side
of
the
tracks,
right,
correct
and
so
you're
that
much
closer
to
residential
properties.
D
D
Had
and
I
I
know
that
they
have
all
been
notified
by
by
the
zoning
department,
have
you
had
any
feedback
whatsoever
from
neighbors
residential
neighbors
about
having
music
and
again
you've
indicated
that
it
would
mostly
be
live
music,
not
highly
amplified
right.
G
G
G
I've
had
another
neighbor
approach
me
a
residential
neighbor,
who
said
she
was
going
to
call
in
today.
Her
name
is
joyce.
I
don't
know
if
she's
on
the
call
she
was
very
much
in
favor
of
it
there's
one
other
neighbor.
I
know
around
the
corner
residential
neighbor
that
I
could
probably
ring
his
bell
and
ask-
and
I
you
know
I
I
these
are
my
neighbors.
They
know
me.
I
have
a
dog
I've
known
them
for
years
with
the
walking
the
dog,
and
so
I
know
them
enough
to
to
do
it.
G
D
Right,
no,
I
know
I
understand
I
just
I
mean
that
that
until
1am,
if
it's,
if
it
were,
you
know
like
bill,
frisell
guitar,
that's
one
thing:
if
it
was,
you
know
rock
and
roll.
That
would
be
another
thing.
F
D
That
would
be
a
concern
to
me,
but
you
know
again
I
would.
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
neighbors
themselves.
D
G
That
is
correct,
including
both
my
immediate
neighbors.
One
is
a
letter
and
one
we
spoke
at
length
on
the
telephone
and
he
approved
everything
after
we
spoke
and.
D
Melissa,
have
you
had
any
any
negative.
B
So
the
the
second
neighbor
that
miss
les
is
referring
to.
He
did
contact
me
to
say
that
that
he
has
no
concerns
after
you
guys
did
talk
and
then,
additionally,
we
did
just
receive
a
an
emailed
in
comment
of
opposition
that
I
would
like
to
read
since
it
just
came
in.
It
was
from
yvette
meltzer
of
1407
elmwood
and
her
statement
is
that
she
is
opposed.
She
says,
living
within
500
feet
of
this
venue.
We
are
strongly
opposed
to
this
use
of
this
space
in
the
time
of
covid.
B
It
is
inappropriate
to
have
gatherings
of
50
people
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
We
are
concerned
about
people
walking
through
the
neighborhood
and
the
spread
of
covid.
We
already
are
squeezed
out
of
parking
as
people
choose
not
to
pay
the
parking
fees
on
greenwood
and
instead
park
on
elmwood.
Having
so
many
cars
coming
into
the
neighborhood
is
unwelcome,
banquets
often
serve
alcohol
and
people
leaving
an
event
may
be
loud
and
unruly.
We
have
no
interest
in
having
a
banquet
hall
as
a
neighbor.
Please
vote.
A
And
further
I
do
see
within
the
packet
that
dapper
has
asked
that
you
limit
the
music
to
11
o'clock.
G
They
told
me
it
was
the
hours
that
I
put
were
what
they
had
said
was,
and
I
don't
know
if
someone
is
here,
they
said
from
11
till
11,
on
weekdays,
until
12
on
weekends
and
that
that
was
consistent
with
other
venues
in
evanston.
A
Right,
they
also
recommended
that
the
parking
plan
be
reviewed
within
12
months.
If
complaints
were
received.
G
G
I
have
a
plan
for
10
cars
and
25
cars
and
obviously
could
be
beyond
that
and
the
parking
lot
that
they
selected
was
first
presbyterian
church
on
chicago
avenue,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
is
I
we
could
happily
have
valet
parking
with,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
event
and
require
that
with
people
who
would
have
an
event
here,
if
you
you
know
I'm
at
night
and
on
the
weekends,
it's
pretty
deserted
on
sherman
and
on
greenwood
this
one
block
where
it
is
a
zoned
parking.
So
for
a
smaller
event,
the
thing.
D
On
the
weekends,
on
weekends
and
evenings,
that's
correct:
I
know
that
there
was.
There
was
a
kind
of
a
major
problem
with
leapfrog
during
business
hours
and
parking
just
like
parking
up
all
of
the
residential
streets
at
the
time.
That's
no
longer
a
consideration
and
your
events
would,
I
think,
largely
take
place
evenings
and
weekends
exactly.
G
G
G
D
So
I
have
another
question
that
related
to
something
that
was
in
the
packet.
It's
first
of
all,
I
love
the
idea
of
activating
the
courtyard
and
having
that
available
for
outdoor
use
it.
The
packet
had
indicated
that
the
previous
owner,
mr
briony
brunei,.
D
D
D
So,
but
you
know,
I
think
that
activating
that
courtyard
would
be
a
really
wonderful
thing.
So
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
how
you
do
that?
How
many
people
can
be
accommodated
in
the
courtyard?
D
G
Yes,
I'll
answer
all
those
questions.
The
first
thing
I'll
address
is
the
garbage,
the
dumpsters,
so
andrew
brown.
He
thought
that
that's
where
the
dumpsters
were,
but
that
isn't
where
they
were.
This
came
up
in
the
due
diligence
when
I
purchased
the
property,
because
I
make
paper
things
I
was
concerned
where's
the
garbage-
and
I
didn't
I
mean
I
just
I
need
that
was
literally
one
of
the
first
questions
that
I
asked
and
as
it
turns
out,
because
there
was
none
to
be
found,
the
brunei's
took
their
garbage
home
every
night.
G
There
was
no
garden.
There
was
no
garbage
on
the
property,
I
contacted
groot
and
there
is
a
letter
from
them
in
the
packet
that
they
also
researched.
There
had
not
been
service
to
this
property
for
more
than
20
years,
which
is
as
far
back
as
their
system
goes
until
I
set
it
up.
So
they
also
said
that
and
the
reason
that
the
dumpsters
ended
up
where
they
are,
is
that
a
field
representative
came
out
and
looked
at
the
property,
and
this
is
where
they
suggested
that
it
be
it's
in
line
with
everyone
else.
G
Evanston
has
groot
six
days
a
week,
so
should
I
become
busy,
I
can
have
them
pick
up
six
days
a
week,
so
they
could
pick
up
the
garbage
every
single
day
and
if
there
is
garbage
of
that
nature,
I
will
be
the.
I
will
happily
pick
it
up.
I
don't
want
problems
of
rodents
or
smell
myself,
I'm
a
member
of
the
I
live
here
too.
It's
not
like
I'm
an
absentee
person.
I'm
not
live,
but
I
work
here
I'm
here
every
day,
so
that
addresses
that
piece.
G
The
terrace,
the
outdoor
courtyard,
I'm
so
excited
about
this.
It
was
always
in
the
plan
for
my
own
self
to
enjoy
it
with
my
clients
and
be
able
to
entertain
them
there
and,
in
fact,
there's
a
picture
in
there.
I
opened
up
what
was
a
spray
booth.
It
was
a
dark,
dank
place
and
I
put
in
french
doors
that
lead
out
to
that
space
that
has
never
been
improved
in
a
hundred
years.
G
It
it
just
is
a
concrete
driveway
that,
where
the
coal
truck
the
reason
it
would,
the
coal
truck
would
come
in
on
one
side
and
out
the
other,
and
so
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
that
it
can
hold
the
drawings
that
we
have
show
that
for
a
sit
down.
It's
about
28
people
and
if
I
open
up
the
gate,
I
moved
the
gate
to
allow
for
me
to
park
my
car
there
richard
had
the
gate
all
the
way
to
the
sidewalk,
but
if
we
included
the
space,
maybe
we
could
get
another
table.
G
So
I
think
what
did
she
say?
30
we
could
get
a
sit
down
of
about
50
people
if
we
use
that
extended
area,
I
think
more
comfortably
was
about
35
people
per
sit
down
and
the
50
might
be
more
like
a
cocktail
or
a
state.
You
know
mingling
a
mingling
event.
Have
I
addressed
all
the
things
you
asked
me
because
now
I.
G
H
Just
want
to
be
clear:
you're
requesting
to
increase
the
hours
for
music
to
1
am
on
the
friday
and
saturday,
but
the
the
condition
from
dapper
was
only
referring
to
amplified
outdoor
music.
So
are
those
two
things
in
conflict
or
not.
G
Maybe
not
right,
I
mean
they
right,
it
was
just
they
they
had
request,
they
had
recommended
outdoor
amplified.
Is
that
right?
So
I'm
just!
I
guess,
I'm
not
sure
what
I'm
asking,
because
I
I
think
what
I'm
asking
is,
if
there's
an
event
going
on
and
the
people
wanted
to
stay
till
one
o'clock
outside
and
they
had
a
guitarist
or
something
can
they
do
that
that
that's
what
I'm
hoping
to
be
able
to
do
is.
E
H
H
If
your
guests
wanted
to
have
an
event
through
one
o'clock,
they
could,
and
they
could
still
have
music
but
just
be
indoors.
Is
that
is
that
too
much
of
a
burden.
G
So
like
move
the
party
inside,
like
you
know,
like
yeah,
I
assert
by
one
o'clock.
You
know
I
think,
if
I
could
have
what
was
talked
about
at
the
previous
meeting
up
until
midnight.
I
was
happy
with
that.
It's
just
that
as
we
started,
calling
and
looking
at
other
places.
That's
where
the
question
came
up
of.
Should
we
explore
with
the
board
with
you
guys
if
we
should
be
able
to
have
the
outside
because
they
didn't
restrict
the
inside?
G
D
Quite
honestly,
andrea,
I
was
saying
this
is
going
to
go
to
city
council,
we're
just
a
recommending
body.
I
D
Quite
honestly,
I
would
say
that,
given
your
proximity
to
residential
properties,.
F
D
Would
be
better
served
by
limiting
your
hours
to
11
on
monday
through
thursday
and
then
fridays
and
saturdays
to
midnight.
I
don't
think
I
would
push
1am
at
that
location.
D
I
mean,
I
think,
that
for
my
purposes
my
recommendation
would
be
to
midnight
because
that's
what
was
dapper's
call
and
I
think
that
everyone
would
be
comfortable
with
that,
and
so,
if
you
you
know
typically,
if
you
have
a
an
event
and
and
it
you
do,
have
the
late
stairs
to
move
the
party
inside
it's
not
for
the
last
hour.
G
F
E
I
David
simmons
s-I-m-m-o-n-s
yeah,
I'm
at
9-1-2,
greenwood
street,
a
corner
of
greenwood
and
elmwood
and
within
500
feet.
I
have
some
of
the
same
concerns
that
were
brought
up
in
the
email
that
was
expressed
earlier
with
regard
to
traffic.
I
I
also
will
bring
up
if
there's
catering
trash
put
in
an
alley
for
50
people.
That's
a
lot
of
potential
rodent
and
insect
infestation
area
in
the
alley
there.
Secondly,
I
think
traffic,
no
matter
what
the
sound
is
indoors
or
outdoors.
I
It
is
a
quiet
neighborhood
and
it
is
residential
and
I'm
concerned
about
changing
the
zoning
and
no
offense
to
this
list.
I
think
she's
got
a
great
project
in
mind
for
the
kinds
of
things
she's
doing,
but
I
don't
think
the
venue
is
appropriate
both
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
space
available
both
during
a
pandemic
and
even
afterwards,
and
secondly,
I
don't
think
the
parking
even
valet
parking
will
be
appropriate
for
this.
This
venue.
F
G
G
G
D
Mr
simmons,
I
really
appreciate
your
comments,
and
that
was
my
concern
too,
was
that
the
residential
neighbors
are
much
closer
than
they
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
tracks
where,
where
the
sea
commercial
zoning
becomes
much
more
commercial,
but
I
think
that,
based
on
the
recommendations
of
dapper,
we
will
make
a
condition
of
of
allowing
andrea
list
to
activate
her
space
and
keep
it.
D
You
know
going
that
they
do
review
the
parking
situation
in
a
year's
time,
and
so,
if
there
is
a
problem
and
and
you
as
neighbors,
if
there's
a
problem,
you
know
you,
you
can
call
your
alderman,
you
can
call
the
parking
department
of
the
city
and
say
you
know,
call
3-1-1
and
say
this
has
been
a
problem
or
call
andrea,
liss
and
say
you
know
andrea
we've.
We
found
things
out
of
control
this
particular
day,
and
maybe
there
will
be
one
time
thing,
but
this
will
be
reviewed
in
a
year's
time.
D
So
if
it
is
problematic
for
the
neighbors,
I
think
that
there
is
there
is
the
possibility
of.
I
Okay,
correction:
you
I
was
going
to
make
that
suggestion
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
If
there
was
an
approval
to
take
this
to
the
council,
that
it
would
have
the
caveat
of
some
kind
of
of
review
period
to
to
catch
it.
I
you
know
we
don't
want
to
be
complaining
all
the
time
and
then
base
everything
on
sure
and
I
I
think,
to
protect,
miss
lisa's
business
interest.
I
She
she
needs
to
provide
a
plan
to
mitigate
both
plan
for
prevention,
but
also
how
to
how
to
resolve
things
if
they
do
come
into
being.
G
D
To
exactly
not
not
the
entire
special
use
simply
that
what
what
dapper
had
recommended
in
the
packet
from
what
I
understood
were
that
they
wanted
it
to
be
approved.
They
think
it's
a
great
plan,
but
they
did
have
two
recommendations
or
conditionals.
D
One
was
that
the
music
be
curtailed
to
those
hours
and
and
number
two
that
the
that
the
parking
situation
be
reviewed
in
12
months
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it
was
not
having
a
negative
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
That's
all.
I
I'd
I'd
also
like
to
bring
up
the
music
issue.
I
don't
think
I
was
very
clear
about
that,
but
I
I
think
11
o'clock
is
late.
Dance
evanston
has
a
10
o'clock
curfew
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
as
an
alternative
to
the
11
o'clock,
I
think
the
noise
bounces
off
that
that
levy
of
the
railroad
tracks
and
pushes
right
into
the
residential
area
and
it's
going
to
make
an
echo
amplified
or
not.
I
We
can
hear
we
can
hear
quite
a
bit
going
on
if
there
was
something
you
know,
500
feet
away.
C
E
Hi,
so
I'm
chuck
wasserberg
and
by
an
odd
coincidence,
dave
simmons
and
I
live
in
the
same
building,
so
we
actually
had
an
exchange
of
emails
about
something
different
anyway,
hello-
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
his
concern
about
parking-
I
mean
I'm
all
for
this
venue.
E
I
just
the
reason
I
got
on
the
call
is.
I
was
concerned
about
parking
in
the
neighborhoods.
I've
just
wanted
to
second
that
concern
and
it
sounds
like
you
know,
it's
being
looked
into
thoroughly
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
we
can,
you
know,
get
in
touch
if
there's
an
issue
with
it,
and
I
would
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
music.
The
issue
to
consider
here
is:
this
is
not
actually
a
music
venue
where
you're
going
to
have
music
every
single
night.
So
concerns
about
you
know
noise
carrying
that's
going
to
be.
G
J
I'm
vince
and
I'm
on
my
wife's
computer,
so
she's
heidi
and
we're
the
house
that's
closest
to
the
proposed
venue
and
and
as
someone
on
the
board
said
before,
andrea's
business
has
a
very
nice
aesthetic
and
I'm
sure
she'll
carry
that
over
into
into
her
business,
and
I
think
anything
we
can
do
to
support
a
small
business.
Especially
these
times.
We
should
it's
how
you
support
your
neighbor.
J
My
only
concern
would
be
and
that
the
concerns
have
been
raised
just
music
going
late
into
the
evening,
and-
and
I
was
going
to
mention
that
we
do
have
that
10
o'clock
limit
here
in
evanston
and
probably
this
is
going
to
be
a
lovely
venue
that
people
go
to
for
bridal
showers
and
and
baby
showers
and-
and
I
have
a
feeling-
that's
probably
what
it's
going
to
be
used
for
more
than
anything
else.
It's
not
going
to
be
seven
days
a
week,
rock
and
roll.
J
I
turn
17
and
let's
say
I
think,
that's
what
it's
going
to
be,
but
my
I
would
have
some
concern
about
the
music
going
past
10.
it.
I
I
applaud
andrea
for
the
efforts
she's
going
to
make
about
trash,
because
the
where
she
have
to
leave
her
trash
is
right.
Next
to
where
I
leave
my
trash
and
I,
if
she's
gonna
make
the
effort
to
have
it
picked
up
the
next
day,
that's
great,
and
then
it
just
goes
without
saying.
J
Parking
here
is
just
awful,
especially
since
the
block
that
andrea
or
her
business
is
located,
only
went
to
paid
parking
within
the
past
year
and
that
just
pushed
more
and
more
people
onto
this
corner
of
elmwood
and
greenwood,
and
it's
very
difficult
to
find
a
parking
space.
At
times
I
find
I
don't
know
I
know
chuck
was
on
here
earlier.
There
is
there.
I
see,
I
see
it
now.
I
know
he
lives
across
the
street
and
anyone
else
in
the
the
build
in
the
condominium
across
the
street.
J
There's
no
rhyme
or
reason
when
there's
parking
available
or
not,
but
sometimes
it
just
gets
really
booked
up.
So
I'm
glad
andrea
has
a
a
parking
plan
and
I'm
also
happy
that
we're
willing
to
address
it.
So
I
guess
the
only
my
only
concern
really
is
the
music
and
because
I
know
I'd
hear
it
from
I
mean
I.
J
I
know
that
when
the
church
has
their
outdoor
concert
or
we
used
to
have
a
family
down
the
street,
that
used
to
have
a
front
porch
band,
and
we
could
you
know
if
they
were
and
they
were
lovely
people
having
a
lovely
evening
until
midnight.
But
you
could
still
hear
it
significantly.
But
it
sounds
like
you're
putting
the
the
proper
guidelines
in
place
to
address
those
matters.
D
G
D
Wanted
to
say,
vince
and
and
response
to
your
comment.
D
You
know
in
order
to
because
seriously
for
a
lot
of
weekend
venues
if
you're
in
competition
with
other
businesses-
and
you
say
we
have
to
shut
this
down.
You
know
at.
E
D
D
Right
so
and
given
the
nature
of
the
venue
once
again,
I
think
that
I
think
that
I
just
want
to
know
that
there
is
open
communication
between
you,
the
neighbors
and
miss
liss,
in
order
to
address
these
problems
so
that
they
don't
so
that
they
don't
mushroom,
but
it
I
would
hate
to
put
like
a
legal
requirement
that
it
end
at
10
a.m,
because
I
think
that
that
would
really
sort
of
lock
her
business
into
a
non-competitive
situation.
D
So
I
think
communication
is
going
to
be
a
big
thing,
but
I
would
hope
that
that
the
neighbors
could
support
those
parameters
simply
as
parameters
and
and
then,
if
it
becomes
problematic.
I
think
that
that
the
neighbors
can
address
that
and
the
business
owner
can
address
that
with
the
neighbors.
D
E
E
G
No,
it
would
be
more
like
a
violent
like
electric
violin
or
guitar.
I
don't
see.
Even
the
planners
have
told
me,
they
don't
think
I
need
amplified.
Music
will
be
used.
It's
too
small
of
a
group
again
like
what
they're
trying
to
they
had
to
help
me
get
my
head
around.
It's
a
small
group
of
people.
You
can't
expect
more
than
two
hours,
two
and
a
half
they're
gonna
go
and
there's
not
gonna
because
of
a
small
group
of
people.
E
E
G
So
and
vince
I'm
really
happy
you
called
in
because
I've
been
trying
to
run
into
you
and
I
didn't-
and
I
had
mentioned
you
he's
the
yellow
house
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
So
I'm
glad
you're
here
and
I
want
you
to
be.
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
make
your
family
unhappy
or
any
of
them
neighbors
that
I
haven't
met
yet
I
just
happen
to
know
vince
because
we're
right
next
door.
You
know
that
way.
J
Well,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
makes
me
happy
is
you
know
we
small
businesses,
a
lot
of
them
are
disappearing
here
and
we
should
support
everyone.
We
can
and
I'm
sure
you'll
employ
people
who
live
in
evanston
or
have
business
relationships
with
people
who
are
providing
you
with
some
of
your
supplies.
So
that's
important
and
you
know
I
just
want
this-
to
succeed.
Yeah
I'll,
also
echo.
J
You
know
my
house
is
the
closest
and
this
is
a
residential
area,
but
there
are
ways
to
to
work
around
these
things
and,
as
you
know,
it's
not
like
you're
trying
you're
not
trying
to
put
in
a
casino
on
the
corner.
G
A
A
We're
going
to
move
on
to
the
standards,
but
I
just
want
final
words
of
approval
or
disapproval
from
the
board.
I
think
this
is
great.
I
agree
with
vince.
We
do
need
to
support
as
many
small
businesses
as
we
can
and
keep
them
open,
and
this
is
very
creative
idea
in
order
for
you
to
be
able
to
move
forward.
So
I
I
approve.
K
K
C
Concerns
are
real,
but
let's
keep
in
mind
that
the
adjacent
two
properties
actually
are
more
commercial
than
residential,
and
I
know
them
very
well
and
I
know
very
well
the
parking
issue
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
was
the
architect
for
leapfrog,
so
I
know
all
these
things,
but
I
think
that
the
conflict
parking
country
probably
will
not
occur,
especially
having
in
mind
the
plan
that
miss
liz
is
providing
still.
I
would
support
the
12-month
re-evaluation
of
the
parking
issue.
C
H
You
I
am
also
in
favor
of
the
project.
I
think
andrea
is
a
very
responsible
business
owner
and
I'm
eager
to
see
her
try
this
out
and
I
think
the
conditions
from
dapper
are
reasonable
and
prudent
and
I'm
not
too,
I
think
any
concerns
that
may
arise.
I
think
kander
is
the
kind
of
business
owner
that
would
be
thoughtful
and
cooperative
to
get
out.
So
I'm
in
favor.
L
Mary,
sorry,
I'm
a
belated
neighbor
lives,
three
doors
down
two
doors
over
from
vince,
and
we
know
andrea
and
just
a
plug
for
her.
She
does
amazing
work
if
you
need
invitations
and
things
like
that,
she
actually
gave
me
a
tour
of
the
place
when
she
changed
it
from
who
I
know
the
you
know.
Formerly
no
one
was
able
to
go
in
there,
so
I
think
just
having
the
space
we're
very
supportive
and
all
the
best
to
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
Your
name.
G
A
D
Sure
I
I
think
that
I'm,
I
am
really
happy
to
see
somebody
a
long
time,
evanstonian
be
successful
in
our
community
and
I'm
really
happy
that
you
are
finding
ways
to
morph
your
business,
andrea,
to
stay
here
and
be
successful.
So
yes,
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
Okay,
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
special
use
standards,
although
the
staff
recommends
approval
for
this
project,
the
responses
to
the
standards
below
constitute
the
professional
opinion
of
the
planning
and
zoning
staff
determination,
whether
the
standards
for
special
use
have
been
met
shall
be
exclusively
afforded
to
members
of
this
board
for
the
zba
to
recommend
that
city
council
grant
a
special
use.
The
zba
must
find
that
proposed.
Special
use.
A
is
one
of
the
listed
special
uses
for
the
zoning
district,
in
which
the
property
lies.
This
standard
has
been
met.
A
Banquet
hall
is
a
listed
eligible
special
use
within
the
c2
commercial
district.
If
any
board
members
disagree
with
any
of
these
findings
on
the
special
use
standards,
please
stop
me
b.
It
complies
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
use
is
compliant
with
the
zoning
ordinance
and
comprehensive
general
plan.
The
proposed
use
promotes
the
growth
and
development
of
a
business
and
commercial
area,
strengthens
evanston's
economic
base
and
promotes
added
neighborhood.
A
Vibrancy
c
does
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
combination
with
existing
special
uses,
or
is
a
category
of
land
use.
Staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
also
been
met.
The
proposed
use
has
limited
potential
to
negatively
interfere
with
any
proximate
residential
commercial
or
office
uses
and
staff
believes
that
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
adequate
mitigation
measures
to
limit
the
potential
for
parking
and
traffic
related
nuisances
associated
with
this
use.
D
D
Impact
on
the
neighborhood
in
the
one-year
window.
A
I
agree
and
also
whoever
makes
the
motion
please
use
that
as
a
condition,
okay
d
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
the
property
in
the
neighborhood
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
proposed
use
would
add
to
the
value
and
vibrancy
of
the
property,
as
well
as
complement
the
nearby
commercial
and
retail
uses.
A
Additionally,
the
proposed
capacity
and
intimate
setting
is
appropriate
for
this
location
e
is
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
The
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
building
is
served
by
adequate
sidewalks
streets,
trash
collection
on
street
parking
and
is
in
close
proximity
to
cta
bus
and
train
service
f
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
A
G
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources
that
is
not
applicable.
H
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
resources
that
also
is
not
applicable.
I
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations.
Staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
project
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
to
move
forward
with
the
next
steps
in
the
special
use
process
and
with
no
disagreement
can
I
have
someone
please
make
motion.
D
I
move
that
in
the
case
of
20cm
jv
0058
800
greenwood
street,
that
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
recommend
to
city
council
that
they
approve
this
special
use
with
the
conditions
that
the
parking
impact
on
the
community
will
be
reviewed
within
a
12-month
period
that
music
at
the
venue
would
be
exterior.
Music
at
the
venue
would
be
confined
to
11
p.m,
mondays
through
thursdays
and
to
12
a.m.
D
On
fridays
and
saturdays,
I
should
say
sunday
through
thursday
and
12
a.m,
fridays
and
saturdays,
and
that
this
project
be
completed
in
accordance
with
the
documents
that
miss
this
has
presented
here
for
our
review.
A
A
A
So
our
second
new
business
proposal
is
for
2909
colfax
street.
Is
the
respondent
in
the
room?
Is
the
respondent
on
this
call
2909
colfax?
Okay,
melissa?
Could
you
read
this
into
a
row.
B
Scott
walker
architect
applies
for
major
zoning
relief
to
demolish
an
existing
street
accessed
garage
construct,
an
alley
accessible
garage
and
utilize.
The
abandoned
driveway
for
open
off
street
parking
in
the
r1
single
family
residential
district,
the
applicant
requests
open
off
street
parking
located
in
the
front
yard
194
feet
from
the
rear
yard
lot
line,
where
open
off
street
parking
shall
be
within
30
feet
of
the
rear,
lot
line
or
alley.
Zoning
code
section
6463b
table
4a
18..
M
All
right,
can
you
hear
me
now
we
can
hear
you
yeah
all
right,
so
I'm
also
the
general
contractor
for
vicki
and
james
lydon
at
2909
colfax,
and
we
have
put
an
addition
on
the
rear
of
the
home,
mainly
due
to
circumstances
for
the
leiden
family
that
I'll
get
to
in
a
second.
M
But
yes,
the
garage
is
in
close
proximity
right
now,
the
existing
garage
to
the
rear
edition
that
we
have
done
and
therefore
the
owners
would
like
to
move
it
to
the
rear
of
the
property
and
use
the
access
of
the
colfax
alley.
M
M
During
can
these
these
crazy
times
that
we're
in
right
now
and
the
rooms
that
we're
creating
are
for
a
living
family
member
versus
putting
the
permanent
person
into
a
home
which
the
family
did
not
want
to
do?
I
understand
that's
a
obviously
a
request
that
they're
making
personally,
but
it
also
works
for
the
home.
M
M
Parking
next
door
to
be
able
to
get
into
access
for
handicap
is
our
most
important
issue
and
the
yard
and
the
lot
size
obviously
can
still
handle
the
garage
moving
to
the
rear
and
we
could
gain
yard
space
back
and
take
out
impervious
surface.
N
I
guess
I
would
just
like
to
add
that
we
currently,
as
scott
mentioned
you
know,
we
have
a
shared
apron
with
our
neighbors,
the
line
of
webbers
and
the
driveway
has
already
been
there.
We
also
with
the
line
of
webbers,
put
gates
that
line
up
that
go
back
to
the
rest
of
our
driveway,
so
that
wouldn't
change.
N
So
in
terms
of
like
anything
from
the
front,
it
would
pretty
much
look
exactly
the
same
as
it
does
now,
and
the
gates
would
match
up,
and
I
mean
we
would
just
love
to
have
you
know
we
have
a
side
door,
that
we
would
love
to
just
pull
the
car
up
so
that
my
mom
can
have
easy
access
into
the
house
versus
parking
in
the
alley
and
then
her
having
to
walk.
We
have
a
really
you
know
pretty
big
lot
and
versus
having
her
have
to
either
walk
or
at
some
point
time
with
a
wheelchair.
N
You
know
bring
her
from
the
garage
to
the
house.
So
that's
that's
our
main
purpose.
For
wanting
to
do
this
and
that's
that's
it
and
I'd
have
a
question
her
driveway,
all
the
way
back.
I'd
prefer
to
plant
trees,
and
you
know,
rather
than
have
a
driveway,
go
all
the
way
back
to
the
garage
that
just
doesn't
seem
like.
I
said
I'd
rather
have
you
know
landscaping
rather
than
a
driveway.
That
just
goes
all
the
way
back.
D
First
of
all
this
this
shared
front
drive
with
the
line
webbers
yeah
it
does
that
mean
that
the
curb
cut
extends
to
two
properties,
and
I
apologize.
I
thought
I
had
looked
at
the
drawings
adequately,
but
apparently
I
have
not
so
the
curb
cut
is
a
curb
cut
for
two
homes,
not
just
your
home.
N
And
we
actually
put
in
about
three
years
ago,
we
got
a
permit
to
do
that
together
because
they
were
like
our.
The
aprons
were
so
close
together
that
we
thought
it
would
make
more
sense
to
make
one
so.
G
D
N
It
is
that's
the
end
of
their
property
line,
because
then
their
house
then,
is
cut
off
by
the
house.
That's
on
lincoln
wood.
Yes,
so
there's
a
setback
a
little
bit
more
off
the
gate.
This
year
you
know
we
lined
up
our
gates
and
then
it's
maybe
I
don't.
M
They
have
a
single
car
garage
at
the
same
setback
as
the
existing
leiden
garage.
They
have
so
yes
they're
at
a
at
a
corner
lot
where
they
they're
adjacent
to
lincolnwood.
So
by
removing
obviously
the
light
in
garage,
it
clears
up
their
property
and
moves
it
to
the
rear
as
well.
So
I
mean
beneficial
to
them
as
well.
D
So
so
not
confused
so
you're
saying
that
the
line
workers
are
going
to
move
their
garage
to
the
back
as
well.
D
Helpful,
so
if,
if
we
as
as
the
determining
body
here
were
to
say,
you
have
to
remove
the
curb
cut
and
remove
the
driveway
in
order
for
us
to
approve
the,
you
know
the
move
of
the
garage
to
the
back
of
the
property,
because
this
is
a
legal
non-conforming,
there
would
still
be
immediately
adjacent
to
your
newly
restored
lawn.
H
M
I
B
F
N
I
think
what
while
you're
pulling
it
up.
Another
thing
to
add
is
you
know
there
are
a
few
other
homes
on
our
street
that
have
the
same.
They
have
a
driveway
that
either
ends
like
at
their
house
or
that
ends
at
a
gate,
and
I
mean
if
like
if
the
concern
is
the
aesthetics
or
I'm
not
sure
what
it
is,
but
there
are
definitely
other
homes
in
our
neighborhood
that
have
the
same
setup
that
we're
looking
for
and
well
what.
D
What
has
been
proposed
vicky
is
that
is
that
the
you
know
the
city.
Oh
there
we
have
it.
A
M
D
Well,
but
but
it
it,
it
is
a
monster
apron,
and
I
you
know,
with
all
due
respect
it
it.
M
D
M
You
know
one
of
our
impacts
that
I've
talked
with
over
with
vicky
and
with
the
zoning
department
is.
We
could
eliminate
the
apron
and
the
we
we
don't.
We
actually
could
move
the
garage
to
the
back.
We
have
the
lot
line
to
run
all
the
way
to
the
back
and
our
argument
is
we
don't
want
a
driveway
all
the
way
to
the
back?
We
have
the
lot
coverage
to
do
this
and
we're.
We
would
like
to
eliminate
the
driveway
from
the
house
proper
all
the
way
to
the
rear
of
the
garage.
M
D
Right
so
the
the
other
concern
that
has
been
raised
is
that
the
that
there
has
been
that
spot
checks
of
this
particular
driveland
curb
cut
have
shown
that
it
has
obstructed
the
pedestrian
walkway.
D
So
can
you
respond
to
that.
D
Well,
the
in
the
dapper
notes.
They
said
that,
of
course,
one
of
the
reasons
that
these
curb
cuts
and
front
front
property
parking
spaces
have
been
discouraged
is
that
they
obstruct
pedestrian
walkways,
in
other
words,
that
cars
pull
into
the
driveway.
They
pull
up
to
the
end
of
the
parkable
space.
D
They
go,
they
obstruct
the
sidewalk
and
that
they
have
seen
in
their
spot
photos
of
this
particular
property
that
that
has,
in
fact
been
the
case
on
occasion.
If
I
understood
the
packet
correctly
so
again,
response.
N
N
M
During
this
whole
construction
process
that
we're
into
the
first
permit
here,
we
have
avoided
using
this
front,
and
you
know
I
can
tell
you
the
lightens
part
either
there
or
we
ask
them
to
move
if
we
have
a
delivery
coming,
but
I
haven't
seen
it
in
my
three
months:
four
months
really
dealing
with
this.
This.
D
N
D
It
is
not
I
I
I
you
know
again:
they
don't
want
cars
parked
in
front
of
houses,
they
don't
want
the
front
of
houses
to
be
parking
lots.
There
are
some
legal
non-conformings,
but
where
you
have
the
opportunity
to
not
have
a
legal
non-conforming
when
there
is
substantial
construction,
that's
when
you
correct
the
mistake
that
that's
the
the
premise
here.
D
A
M
M
So
we
eliminated
the
rear
garage
and
through
conversations
with
zoning
they,
you
know,
we've
had
loose
conversations
that
you
can
just
go
for
the
variance
so
we're
going
for
the
variance.
I
guess
if
we
lose
the
variance
the
leidens
have
the
choice
of
saying
we'll.
Do
the
200
foot
driveway
to
the
back
and
it's
legal.
D
Melissa,
can
you
clarify
the
the
parameters
here,
so,
in
fact,
you
can
can
the
zoning
board,
or
rather
can
the
zoning
department
decline
to
allow
them
to
build
their
garage
on
the
back
of
their
lot
if
they,
if
they
don't
remove
their
curb
cuts
or
they
have
by
right,
they
can
keep
their
curb
cut
and
the
driveway
and
move
their
garage
to
the
rear
of
the
lot
and
by
right
there.
M
D
N
I
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
what
you
know
happened.
You
know,
I
think
occasionally,
maybe
there
wasn't
parking
in
the
street.
I
I
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
gonna
lie
nice.
D
M
Close
enough
for
northwestern,
I
think
they
got
busted
on
a
great
photograph
of
someone
pulling
into
the
driveway
and
running
into
the
house,
because,
as
you
can
see,
we
still
have
we're
still
looking
at
about
a
50-foot
driveway,
I'm
looking
at
the
platte
survey.
Now
that
will,
you
know,
can
still
handle
two
cars
parked
comfortably
there,
plus
they're
planning
and
parking
into
the
rear.
They've
never
had
ability
to
get
into
their
existing
garage
because
it's
a
tear
down
situation,
so
the
new
garage
will
offer
rear
parking
right.
M
So
this
the
front,
the
front
I
can't
speak
for
the
light
is
how
they
pull
into
their
driveway
on
a
daily
basis.
But
our
main
goal
is
for
the
mother
to
be
able
to
move
in
and
park
in
the
driveway,
obviously
with
another
car
available
and
to
get
access
to
this
house
at
a
easy
handicap
status,
and
that's
also
part
of
our
request,
which
I
understand,
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
zoning
rules,
but
we'd
love
to
have
150
feet
of
green
space.
In
the
back
of
this
yard
versus
a
driveway.
C
M
C
D
I
had
one
other
question
melissa.
The
one
of
the
members
of
dapper
has
suggested
that
perhaps
we
qualify
this
with
a
termination
of
the
special
use
upon
the
sale
of
the
property,
which
seems
to
me
awkward
and
those
things
never
work
out
anyway,
but
that
was
in
the
packet
right.
B
B
So
I
would
say
that
if
you
do
want
to
go
that
route,
that
you
require
that
to
be
recorded
against
the
property
so
that
it
pops
up
during
the
sale
and
is
known
then,
okay.
B
H
It
doesn't,
and
I
I
understand
it's
a
special
situation
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
if,
if
maybe
there's
one
idea
that
hasn't
been
maybe
thought
of
I
mentioned,
I
saw
in
the
packet
that
the
concept
of
a
pull
through
garage
was
talked
about
at
one
point.
H
E
M
H
But
that
way
the
the
negative
curb
cut,
which
I
think
I
might
I
imagine
other
members
on
this
on
this
board
are
feeling
is
the
pro
is
the
problem
here
right,
because
it's
articulated
very
well
that
it's
immediate
it's
legally
non-conforming
it
degrades
a
cohesive
and
articulated
landscape,
sustains
significant
conflict
points
with
pedestrians
and
vehicles
and
preserves
an
inequitable
use
of
public
property
to
accommodate
the
storage
of
vehicles
and
vehicle
or
access
when
alley
access
is
viable.
So
I
think
that
is
a
very
articulate
summary
of
why
the
curb
cut
is
undesired.
H
So
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
solution
that
still
satisfies
the
the
what
the
owner
wants
with
the
access
for
the
mother
still
still
doesn't
have
a
massive
sidewalk
massive
driveway,
going
the
entire
length
of
the
property
and
also
can
get
rid
of
the
curb
cut.
N
N
D
Yeah,
I
I
I
I
have
a
pro
I'm
am.
I
am
I
on
yeah,
you
are,
I
I
have
a
I
I
I
kind
of
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
mean
I
feel
max
as
though
you
know
now
you
have
you
know
the
the
twin
curb
cuts
and
driveways.
D
On
the
other
hand,
it
almost
seems
artificial
because
there
will
have
to
be
a
splaying
of
the
curb
cut
for
the
family
next
door
to
access
their
garage,
and
then
you
know
an
abrupt
cut
where
the
lawn
comes
back
in,
but
then
this
long
driveway
for
what
is
a
pretty
long
lot,
I'm
I'm
just
I'm,
I'm
just
not
sure
that
that
does.
I
don't
know
what
what
do
other
board
members
think
about
that.
K
Tortured,
I
agree
with
you:
mary
go
ahead,
the
I
mean
max,
I
you
know
I
consider
what
you're
proposing
to
them,
but
at
the
same
time
now
you're
creating
you're
going
to
be
shuffling
a
lot
of
cars
back
and
forth.
For
you
to
be
able
to
get
one
car
through
that
pass-through
garage
and
now
you
know
somebody
else
is
in
the
garage.
Somebody
else
has
to
move
in
order
to
get
the
cars
through
that
just
causing
another
headache.
K
K
K
K
So
maybe
I'm
not
understanding
what's
going
on
and
then
also
the
neighbor
is
not
taking
out
his
driveway
either
so
now,
you're
compounding
other
issues
to
go
with
that.
Basically,
with
the
other
option
that
you
would
be
suggesting,
I
don't
know,
I
think
we're
complicating
it
versus
what's
what's
being
proposed
right.
K
D
C
A
C
C
So,
instead
of
having
a
double
cut,
we
at
our
maximum
will
have,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
single
curb
cut
and
it
will
stay
perfect
and
then
there
are
significant
burdens
for
the
owners
of
the
property
to
repair
and
restore
the
neighbors
cut
if
they
remove
theirs.
So
this
is
leaning,
my
thinking
towards
keeping
it
I
was
very.
C
C
D
I
I
too
believe
that
the
overwhelming
differential
here
is
the
twin,
curb
cut
next
door.
D
So
if
that
is
going
to
stay
and
we
are
going
to
require-
because
it
is,
it
is
the
least
deviation
that
they
remove
theirs
in
order
to
put
a
driveway
all
the
way
from
the
back
of
the
garage
forward
or
by
contrast
from
the
existing
curb
cut,
which
they
can
still
do
all
the
way
back
to
the
driveway
or
to
the
garage
in
the
back
of
the
property.
F
D
Know
we're
kind
of
shooting
ourselves
in
the
foot.
It
seems
to
me
as
though
the
best
thing
to
do
for
the
property
owner
and
for
what
we're
able
to
do
is
to
say
bring
more
grain
space
into
this
property.
Let
them
keep
the
curb
cut,
let
them
keep
the
drop-off
spot
in
the
front
of
the
house,
restore
a
lot
of
green
space
in
the
back
of
the
property
and
let
the
project
proceed
as
it
is.
N
A
I
also
agree
with
you
mary,
I
feel
like
just
looking
at
this
from
another
way
really
complicates
the
issue
and
if
you
can't
change
the
house
next
door,
the
driveway
of
the
house
next
door,
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
doing
here.
You're
right,
we'd
be
shooting
ourselves
in
the
foot.
A
A
Can
we
limit
this
special
use
to
just
this
ownership?
Would
it
be
difficult
to
make
it
not
extend
to
the
next
owner,
I'm
not
sure.
D
Well,
well,
as
as
melissa
had
pointed
out,
we
would
have
to
require
that
there
be
essentially
a
lien
on
the
title
that
that
you
know
that's
really
the
only
way
that
you
can
enforce
these
and-
and
I
I
think
that
that's
onerous,
I
I
I
don't
think
that
that's
you
know
and
then
who
is
going
to
they're.
D
To
enforce
so
at
a
certain
point,
if
the
neighbor
next
door
decides
that
they
want
to
change
their
property,
and
this
issue
comes
up
again,
then
this
may
be
revisited
and
there
you
know.
One
may
say
that
this
was
a
special
use
that
was
allowed
in
order
because
of
the
property
next
door,
but
I
just
I
just
don't
really
see.
D
Yeah,
I
I
don't
see
that
that's
a
logical,
enforceable
requirement
to
put
on
this
property
titled.
H
Yeah,
what
I
meant
was:
are
there
any
negative
implications
to
precedent
for
people
pursuing
this
variance
in
the
future,
or
is
that
risk
pretty
low.
B
I
mean
tricky
thing
with
precedent.
You
could
say
that,
yes,
this
could
set
a
precedent
for
always
approving
front
yard
parking,
or
you
could
say
that
every
detail
makes
every
case
different.
The
fact
that
there's
a
double
driveway
here
or
that
the
driveway
could
run
the
entire
length
of
the
property
and
still
comply
with
impervious
any
little
details
like
that
make
a
difference
to
each
case
in
itself.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
up
to
each
individual
board
member
to
decide
if
this
would
set
a
precedent
or
not.
A
Okay,
well,
the
one
thing
we
have
not
done
in
this
case
is
open
up
for
comment
of
neighbors,
and
I
see
several
neighbors
here
that
did
not
comment
on
the
last
case.
I'm
going
to
assume
that
they're
here
for
2909
colfax,
so
I'm
going
to
allow
for
a
public
comment.
Anyone
who
would
like
to
speak,
please
speak
and
give
me
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Anyone.
A
Personally,
I
I
think
that,
no
matter
what
we
do
in
this
case
that
we
are
going
to
either
costly
come
up
with
a
really
inefficient
cost
costs
for
this
change
or
we're
going
to
make
it
it's,
it's
not
going
to
really
make
a
difference.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
to
do
about
this
proposal
and,
as
I
look
through
the
various
standards,
I'll
make
my
mind
up.
Anybody
else
on
the
board
want
to
talk
about
support
or
against
this
project.
D
You
know
the
they
can
keep
the
curb
cut.
They
can
keep
the
driveway
as
long
as
the
driveway
goes
all
the
way
back
to
their
garage.
F
D
See
how
this
is
not
the
least
deviation
possible
to
let
them
put
their
garage
in
the
back,
which
they're
allowed
to
do
and
simply
not
have
the
driveway
extend
all
the
way
back
there,
but
simply
have
the
driveway
used
as
a
drop-off
drop-off
point
for
their
aging
in
place.
Mother,
that's
my
feeling,
though,.
A
H
I
don't
like
any
of
this.
I
think
I'm
gonna,
I'm
probably
gonna
vote
in
favor,
just
because
it's
the
practical
thing
to
do.
I
wish
the
permitting
process
had
not
been
split
in
two,
because
it's
just
kind
of
forcing
us
into
a
solution
we
don't
like,
but
I'm
willing
to
do
the
practical
thing.
A
Okay,
so
with
that,
I
am
going
to
move
on
to
the
variance
standards.
We
are
the
determining
body
for
this
and
I
will
go
through
them
slowly
if
anyone
disagrees
with
the
staff
recommendation,
please
let
me
know,
although
dapper
offers
no
recommendation,
the
response
to
the
standards
below
constitute
the
professional
opinion
of
the
planning
and
zoning
staff
determinations,
whether
the
standards
for
major
variation
have
been
met
shall
be
exclusively
afforded
to
the
members
of
this
board
for
the
zba
to
recommend
approval
of
a
variance.
A
A
D
Well,
obviously,
I
wanted
to
disagree
with
that
to
say
that
I
think
that
the
standard
has
been
met
because
the
the
general
the
comprehensive
plan
also
allows
for
property
owners
to
enhance
their
properties,
improve
their
properties
in
a
way
that
does
not
impact
their
neighbors
and
the
comprehensive
plan
also
greatly
encourages.
D
A
Okay,
anyone
else,
okay
c,
has
a
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
that
is
peculiar
to
this
property
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
not
been
met.
The
lot
is
significantly
larger
than
standard
and
is
severed
by
a
served
by
an
alley.
The
curb
cut
the
driveway
in
the
existing
front-facing
garage
are
not
unique
to
this
property,
and
compliance
is
possible.
D
Allows
that
the
that
the
you
know
greatest
and
best
use
of
the
green
space
on
the
land
or
of
the
space
on
the
land
would
be
to
not
remove
half
of
the
driveway
but
to
keep
the
curb
cut
as
it
currently
exists.
So
I
think
the
standard
has
been
met.
K
A
D
Once
again,
the
the
the
alternative
of
running
the
driveway,
all
the
way
through
to
the
garage
in
the
back
of
the
property
is
a
lesser
alternative
to
maintaining
a
drop-off
point,
and
it
is
something
that
the
the
owners
need
for
their
their
aging
mother
to
be
able
to
stay
in
the
property
with
them.
So
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met
too.
A
And
I
agree
with
you:
okay,
anyone
else
all
right
e
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property
or
public
benefit
to
the
whole
will
be
derived.
Staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met,
the
property
will
continue
to
be
owner
occupied
and
no
additional
income
will
re
result
from
this
proposal.
A
F
does
not
have
a
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
that
was
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
not
been
met.
The
applicant's
desire
to
demolish
and
relocate
the
existing
detached
garage
and
retain
the
existing
driveway
as
an
open
off
street
parking
is
a
choice.
C
So
all
these
standards
that
are
currently
in
front
of
us
and
madam
chair
read
it
is
this-
is
one
of
the
cases
that
you
have
to
balance
between
the
text
of
the
standard
and
the
reality,
and
I
think
in
this
case
we
have
a
reality
that
a
kind
of
a
yes
staff
is
right.
These
things
are
not
met
per
the
letter
of
the
standards.
C
I
would
agree
with
that,
but
in
reality
we
have
a
condition
that
makes
much
more
sense
to
approve
this
rather
disapprove
and
go
to
the
let's
say,
standard
reading
of
all
our
standards.
Sorry
for
the
repetition
of
the
work,
so
I
cannot
state
that
the
standards
are
met
explicitly,
but
I
think
we
have
to
really
make
the
balance
between
the
standard
and
the
reality
that
we're
facing.
C
So
without
saying,
yes,
the
standard
has
been
met
or
no,
the
standard
has
not
been
met.
I
think
that
my
vote
will
be
to
approve
this
current
condition.
Okay,.
D
D
Carol
in
so
far,
I
just
just
wanted
to
add,
and
so
far
as
we
have
to
find
that
these
standards
have
been
met,
the
standard
was
that
this,
you
know,
will
create
some
practical
hardship.
Well
it.
This
does
create
a
practical
hardship
rather
than
a
mere
inconvenience
if
they
have
to
take
out
their
you
know,
half
of
when
they
have
the
right
to
keep
the
driveway
there
and
they
have
to
remove
it
and
remove
the
driveway
and
create
this
artificial
situation
between
their
property
and
their
neighbors
property.
D
A
H
B
D
Well,
so
for
the
minimum
change
standard.
Yes,
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met
because
the
option
that
we're
left
with
is
that
they
keep
the
curb
cut
and
they
run
the
driveway
all
the
way
back
to
the
garage.
D
F
D
I
was
muted,
I
moved
that
in
the
case
of
2909
colfax
case
20,
cmjv,
0044,
that
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
approve
the
special
use
and
allow
the
project
to
go
forward,
provided
that
it
is
completed.
I
should
say
to
speak
to
both
max's
and
carol's
point,
provided
that
the
drive
from
the
curb
cut
extend
no
further
than
the
end
of
that.
D
The
housing
unit
to
allow
for
drop
off
in
the
side
or
back
of
the
house
and
that
the
rest
of
the
project
be
completed
in
accordance
with
the
documents
presented
to
dapper
and
the
zoning
board
appeals.