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A
Let
us
know
your
name:
each
case
will
be
introduced
by
staff,
and
a
list
of
documents
will
be
read
into
the
record
when
the
applicant,
then
the
applicant
will
give
an
explanation
of
the
proposal
after
that.
Those
who
wish
to
testify
as
either
proponents
or
opponents
of
the
case
will
have
the
chance
to
do
so,
and
then
the
applicant
will
have
a
chance
to
respond
any
case
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
meeting
kade.
Would
you
please
call
the
role.
A
C
D
B
A
D
A
C
I
move
that
we
suspend
the
rules
so
that
we
can
eat
digitally
this
evening
to
hand
in
line
with
the
governor's
orders
to
operate
according
to
co,
big
19
rules
and
procedures.
A
Can
we
call
we're
going
to
call
the
roll
for
every
vote
tonight?
This
will
be
the
first
roll
call
vote
kade.
Sarah.
G
D
H
B
I
J
C
I
will
I
move
that
we
approve
the
meeting
minutes
of
july
21st.
B
G
Remember
mccauley
abstain.
I
wasn't
present.
C
H
C
A
B
Matt
kerouac
architect
applies
for
major
zoning
relief
to
construct
an
upper
story,
dwelling
unit
atop
an
existing
one-part
commercial
building
in
the
b1a
business
district
and
ocsc
central
street
corridor
overlay
district,
the
applicant
requests,
a
13
foot,
rear
yard.
Setback
for
15
feet
is
required.
B
Zoning
code
section
6957
a
zero
foot
step
back
between
the
first
and
second
floors
were
10
percent
of
the
lot
depth
from
the
required
pedestrian
area.
7.25
feet
is
required:
zoning
code,
section
6,
15,
14,
8
and
no
off
street
parking
spaces
where
one
is
required.
Zoning
code
section
616,
table
16
b.
The
zoning
board
of
appeals
makes
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
A
Now,
before
we
move
forward,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
respondent
and
the
owner
to
be
sworn
in.
Could
you
raise
your
right
hand?
I
will
I'll
swell
it
swear
and
anyone
who
plans
to
give
testimony
on
any
of
the
cases
scheduled
for
tonight.
Do
you
swear
to
firm
that
the
testimony
you
provide
in
connection
with
this
case
will
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
H
I
will
go
ahead
and
do
that.
This
is
matthew
kerouac.
The
architect
my
address
is
314
was
hawthorne
court
in
lake
bluff,
illinois,
my
client,
john
roman
who's,
head
of
business
in
evanston
at
this
location
since
2003,
and
he
subsequently
purchased
it
in
2006
from
the
previous
owner,
is
planning
on
adding
a
one-story
or
a
single-story
apartment
above
a
one-story
existing
structure
that
houses
his
business.
H
H
We
are
looking
for
this
project
to
be
an
added
asset
to
the
the
neighborhood.
However,
we
need
three
variances
to
accommodate
that.
The
first
variance
is
the
required
parking.
H
We
are
required
to
have
one
parking
spot.
However,
there
are
no
available
spots
within
1
000
feet
that
is
available.
John
does
have
a
lease
on
a
spot
1400
feet
away.
However,
since
there
are
no
available
spots,
there's
no
on-street
parking
except
for
residences.
We
don't
feel
that
this
will
pose
an
impact
on
the
the
neighborhood.
H
There
are
other
buildings
on
this
lot
that
have,
or
on
this
block
that
have
full
rear
yard,
two-story
structures.
We
feel
that
this
would
pose
a
minimum
impedance
on
any
light
and
vent
in
the
rear.
The
third
one
is
the
building
height.
H
The
the
overlay
district
requires
that
we
have
a
10
setback,
which
is
7.25
feet
and
looking
at
developing
the
elevation.
Since
this
is
only
going
to
be
a
two-story
structure,
we
felt
that
setting
back
the
new
second
floor
would
create
a
it
would
erode
the
established
street
wall
and
be
less
sensitive
to
the
adjacent
mixed
use
structure.
H
G
No
questions:
I
would
just
comment
that,
given
the
proximity
to
so
much
public
transportation,
I
think
that
the
the
parking
variance
is
inconsequential,
particularly
since
the
applicant
runs
the
space
within
1400
feet
of
the
property.
So
just
a
comment.
C
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant:
can
you
go
into
a
little
additional
detail
on
the
discussion
and
what
is
currently
being
proposed
as
it
relates
to
sort
of
the
affordability
of
the
issue
and
what
percent
of
ami
is
being
discussed
now
for
the
unit,
while
it's
in
the
rental
pool
and
how
long
it's
expected
to
be
in
the
rental
pool
before
the
owner
expects
to
occupy.
K
K
Sorry,
the
lighting's,
not
great
yeah,
I
the
affordability
thing
is
it
is,
I
think
it's
a
huge
issue
in
evanston
and
I
we've
had
long
conversations
with
sally
who
is:
does
the
affordable
housing
for
evanston
or
is
involved
in
that,
and
so
we
looked
at
all
the
different
categories.
K
The
challenge
is,
I
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
building
a
big
building
with
a
bunch
of
units,
I'm
a
state
farm
agent
and
my
my
only
real
estate
besides,
my
home
is
the
building
that
my
state
farm
office
is
in,
so
we're
building
we'd
be
building
just
one
apartment
and
it's
hard
to
look
at
doing
affordability
when
there's
not
there's
only
one
unit
to
spread
it
across
and
so
the
80
of
ami.
K
I
think
it's
80
of
ami
would
put
the
unit
at
1603
dollars
a
month
and
then
I
have
to
subtract
out
utilities
and
so
to
do
affordable.
I
would
have
to
rent
the
unit
for
a
net
rent
of
a
little
bit
more
than
1400
a
month
and
and
right
now
to
build
a
two-story
to
build
the
second
floor.
Apartment
would
be
around
250
000,
and
actually
it's
probably
more
than
that
now
because
of
all
the
covid
related
building
material
issues.
K
But
I
can't
make
my
payment
off
of
that
and
only
having
one
unit
to
rent
just
makes
it
really
challenging
to
look
at
affordability,
and
I
and
we've
thought
about
it
a
lot
and
had
lots
of
conversations,
including
with
my
wife,
because
it's
something
that
we
we
think
is
really
important.
But
it's
it's
challenging
to
do
with
one
unit.
Does
that
answer.
A
K
That
was
that
was
the
second
part
of
the
question.
I'm
sorry
so
so
my
last
child
I've
got
four
kids.
My
last
one
is
a
junior
in
high
school
and
so
we're
looking
at
two
years
getting
rid
of
our
big
single
family
home.
Well,
not
big,
getting
rid
of
our
single
family
home.
I
live
in
wheaton
right
now
and
so
we've
talked
about.
K
I
take
the
train
every
day,
which
has
been
one
of
the
benefits
of
having
the
building,
because
it's
a
quarter
block
from
the
metro
station
to
my
building,
and
so
you
re,
you
really
don't
have
to
have
a
car.
I
don't
use
a
car
up
there,
so
it
would
be
probably
two
years
or
less
year
and
a
half
that's
what
we're
talking
about.
I
mean
who
knows
like
everything's
up
in
the
air
with
the
virus,
so
right
now
it's
a
year
and
a
half
our
kiddo
would
be
done
with
high
school.
G
G
You
know,
really
prohibitive
if
it
were
in
the
full,
affordable
range
for
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
I
I
don't
see
how
he
would
pay
for
the
work
to
be
done.
I
mean
just
to
cover
costs.
You
know,
I
think
that
doing
it
at
at
eighty
percent
is,
is
a
reasonable
compromise.
I
I
have
a
question:
yes,
it
is,
it
is
both
zoning
and
that's
called
practical,
and
maybe
the
architect
or
the
owner
can
answer
it.
It's
about
the
party
walls.
It
seems
that
on
the
west
side,
you
have
a
common
party
wall
with
the
building
inside
the
property,
but
on
the
east
side
it
seems
that,
with
the
second
floor,
you're
overstepping
a
wall
that
I
don't
know
where
it
currently
stands.
Is
it
in
your
property
or
it
is
in
the
neighboring
property
and
we
are
having
relatively
often
problems
with
particles.
H
Wall,
I
believe
I
have
the
answer.
You
know
my
understanding
and
the
way
that
the
plato's
survey
shows
is
that
that
is
our
our
wall.
That
part
of
our
wall
is
part
of
our
lives.
I
H
Right,
the
existing
one-story
building
rises
above
the
adjacent
building
to
the
east,
and
it
shows
the
continuation
of
our
facade
in
our
party.
You
know
it
that's
a
continuation
of
our
building
that
party
wall,
so
we
would
just
be
building
up
on
that.
The
discrepancy,
I
think,
is
because
the
way
that
the
shared
party
wall
in
the
west
is
right
there
front
out
that
front
dimension
takes
that
into
account,
whereas
in
the
rear
it
gets
split
in
half
by
the
shared
wall.
H
F
K
K
I
have
to
be
careful
because
I
raised
my
hand,
but
I
think
it's
it's
somewhere
around
there,
the
the
apartments
so
there's
two
big
apartment
buildings
that
are
right
up
right
near
me,
back
one's
on
the
same
block.
K
I
think
it's
1700
central
street,
which
is
above
10
mile
the
restaurant
and
the
the
two
bedrooms,
two
baths
rent
there
for
2
900
up
to
like
34
or
3
500,
so
which
are
they're
basically
new,
two-bedroom
two-bath
units,
and
I
think
the
other
one
that's
right
across
from
mustard's
last
stand
is
in
that
in
that
same
price
range,
and
so
yeah
affordability
is
a
yeah.
It's
a
challenging
thing.
E
I
have
a
question
question:
have
you
had
any
discussions
with
the
property
owner
to
the
west
for
all
those
other
residences.
E
Residences
are
driving
to
the
west.
The
building
that
you'll
be
budding
against.
K
I
think
they
they,
I
know
the
owner
of
the
building,
because
he
that's
the
party
wall
that
we
would
be
building
on
to,
and
so
we've
had.
We've
talked
about
this
for
several
years.
I've
known
him
for
quite
a
while
hank
welch,
and
I
know
that
the
there
were
postings
about
this.
This
issue-
I
don't
I
don't
I
haven't-
talked
to
any
owner-
I
mean
any
of
the
people
who
live
there,
the
renters
that
he
rents
to
I
I've
never
actually
met
one
of
them
in
my
17
years.
A
Kate,
have
we
had
any
correspondence
from
the
people
on
the
west.
E
And
also
just
for
the
cohesiveness
of
the
of
the
front
facade,
I
couldn't
quite
tell
from
the
plans
submitted
from
from
the
profile
of
you,
you
plan,
to
match
the
design
of
that
brick
of
that
building
from
the
west.
H
We
want
to
definitely
maintain
the
integrity
of
that
street
wall
and
of
the
architecture,
but
we
would
pull
from
this
limestone
tremendously
in
the
banding
so
that
you
know
just
bring
over
the
exact
details.
The
brick
is
a
little
bit
different.
We
have
a
brick
behind
the
sign
above
the
canopy
that
we
would
try
to
emulate.
H
A
G
I
think
it's
a
good
proposal,
I
you
know
it's,
it
is
you
know,
any
number
of
things
could
have
happened
with
this
building,
but
the
fact
that
he
has
maintained
a
scale
with
his
neighbors,
adding
only
one
unit
and
keeping
it
cohesive
with
his
neighbor
to
the
west.
G
You
know,
I
I
don't
see
anything
objectionable
about
it.
I
there
was
something
in
the
early
dapper
meetings
about
having
this
step
back,
which
I
think
would
make
really
no
sense
at
all.
In
the
case
of
this
property,
you
know
having
a
streetscape
that
is
uniform
is
seems
preferable
to
me.
This
is
very
reasonable
on
scale
and
again,
I
see
nothing
objections
objectionable
about
it
at
all.
E
Yeah,
I
agree
when
you,
when
you
take
a
look
at
the
site,
you
almost
wonder
why
there
isn't
already
a
residence
like
it
would
fit
perfectly
fine,
and
the
zoning
relief
that
is
being
sought
is
completely
reasonable
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
the
look
and
function
of
the
space
already,
I
think
it's
a
great
project.
A
I
appreciate
the
attempt
to
make
it
more
residential
on
central.
I
think
it
fits
in
with
the
rest
of
the
community.
F
I
agree,
I
think
it's
a
thoughtful
contribution
to
the
street,
it's
cohesive
with
the
existing
streetscape.
I
think
the
variations
requested
actually
make
it
a
better
project
more
in
line
with
the
existing
streetscape.
So
I'm
a
part
of
this.
D
And
I'm
in
favor
of
the
project,
I
think
they
did
a
very
good
job
of
integrating
the
upper
residence
with
streetscape
and
matching
it
with
the
neighbors
next
door.
A
A
Okay,
although
the
staff
recommends
approval,
the
response
to
the
standards
below
constitute
the
professional
opinion
of
the
planning
and
zoning
staff
determination,
whether
the
standards
for
very
major
variation
have
been
met
shall
be
exclusively
afforded
to
the
members
of
the
board
for
the
zba
to
recommend
approval
of
the
variance.
The
zba
must
find
that
the
proposed
variance
a
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
The
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
Staff
has
not
received
any
objections
from
the
neighboring
property
owners.
Moreover,
the
proposed
edition
will
propose
will
provide
additional
density
to
the
business
district's
catchment
area
and
is
modest
in
size
and
is
contextual
in
design
adding
to
the
vibrancy
of
the
neighborhood.
A
A
A
A
C
A
B
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
that
should
probably
be
in
the
conditions
of
the
of
the
the
proposal
agreed.
A
Okay,
f
does
not
have
a
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
that
was
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
unique
size
of
the
parcel
was
planted
prior
to
current
ownership
g
is
limited
to
the
minimum
change
necessary
to
alleviate
the
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty.
A
G
I
move
in
the
case
of
1800
central
street
20
zm
jv-0045
that
we
recommend
to
city
council
approval
of
this
project,
with
the
condition
that
the
rental
unit
be
rented
at
120
percent
of
ami
until
the
owner
takes
possession
of
it
and
that
the
project
be
completed
and
complied
in
accordance
with
the
documents
that
have
been
submitted
here.
G
A
C
A
H
I
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
also
thank
mr
sterling
for
all
of
his
assistance
and
getting
us
through
this
process,
and
he
had
some
amazing
kind
of
words
of
wisdom
and
solutions
for
us
that
made
this
possible.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
Hello,
yes,
we
are
here,
okay,
great
kay.
Can
I
get
you
to
read
this
into
the
record.
B
Sarah
lewis
proprietor
submits
for
a
special
use
for
a
daycare
domestic
animal
and
kennel
dogtopia
of
north
shore
llc
in
the
rp
research
park
district.
The
applicant
requests
a
special
use
subsequent
to
a
text
amendment
currently
under
consideration
by
the
plan,
commission
and
city
council
to
add
daycare,
domestic
animal
and
kennel
as
one
eligible
special
use
in
the
rp
district.
The
zoning
board
of
appeals
makes
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
A
J
We
would
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
here
tonight.
I'm
nicole
dino,
I'm
from
dense,
moore
and
shoal,
and
I'm
representing
the
applicant.
Also
with
me,
are
sarah
kerry
lewis
who
are
going
to
be
the
owner
operators
of
dogtopia
of
north
shore.
We've
got
our
expert
witnesses
as
well
george
cassell
and
mary
lindberger
from
the
dogtopia
corporate
team.
We
have
kathy
halter,
who
is
vp
of
news
center
development,
lisa
gabeaux
who's,
the
director
of
design
and
tracy
cross
who's.
J
We
thought
it
was
best
if
you
could
hear
directly
from
the
applicant.
So
sarah
are
you
available.
J
L
It's
been
pretty
amazing,
but
when
we
made
our
way
back
home
to
evanston
our
home
last
summer,
which
is
where
we
you
know
really
want
to
be,
we
when
we
were
out
in
california,
our
dog
trainer,
recommended
that
we
take
murphy
to
a
place
called
dogtopia
for
dog
daycare
to
really
add
socialization,
exercise
and
education
to
her.
L
The
trainer
really
wanted
to
get
her
off
on
the
right
foot
because
in
our
house,
because
I
was
working
from
home
and
this
way
murphy
could
really
play
and
burn
off
some
energy,
and
I
could
still
really
manage
my
conference
calls
and
projects.
So
with
dogtopia
I
was
impressed
from
the
get-go.
The
staff
was
fantastic,
the
safety
protocols,
cleanliness
and,
of
course,
there
were
the
webcams,
which
everyone
really
loves.
So
you
can
check
in
on
your
pup
during
the
day,
which
is
really
neat,
murphy
also
anticipated
going
to
dogtopia.
L
She
knew
the
name
and
we
always
would
have
to
say
goodbye
in
the
car,
because
once
we
were
at
the
store
she
there
was
no
looking
back
at
us.
It
was
we
were
taking
her
in.
She
knew
the
staff,
the
staff
knew
her
by
name,
and
that
was
pretty
much
it.
L
So
we
used
autopi
the
whole
time
we
were
out
there
and
once
we
made
our
way
back
home,
I
was
really
looking
for
something
very
similar,
something
that
was
sophisticated,
modern
style
daycare
in
our
community,
and
I
was
really
having
a
hard
time
finding
something
like
that,
and
I
was
really
impressed
with
the
credentialed
training
courses
for
the
employees
that
doctor
offered
that
really
impressed
me
when
I
was
out
in
san
diego,
and
that
was
really
important
to
me
as
a
pet
parent,
but
it's
even
more
important
as
an
owner
now
that
I'm
an
owner
another
thing
since
dogtopia
is
so
focused
in
the
urban
and
retail
environment.
L
So
my
husband
carrie
and
I
realized
that
downtown
evanston
did
not
have
a
dog
carrier
store
that
really
fit
into
a
pet
parents
daily,
routine
and
real.
We
really
see
this
as
a
service.
That's
for
all
dog
owners,
people
who
office
outside
of
the
home
and
also
people
who
are
working
inside
their
home
and
especially
now
when
children
have
children,
have
e-learning
too.
L
So,
given
that
this
is
a
big
investment
for
for
my
family
carrie-
and
I
talked
about
this
decision
long
and
hard,
but
we
are
very
excited
to
be
investing
in
this
doctopia
store
for
our
community
and
I
will
be
the
primary
operator
and
I
will
be
on
site
most
days
so.
But
behind
me
I
have
the
support
of
the
doctopia
support
office,
kathy
tracy,
other
people
that
might
be
on
the
line
today.
L
L
We
also
have
our
ceo
neil,
who
has
been
fantastic
throughout
everything,
very
approachable
whenever
the
pandemic
hit
in
in
mid-march.
He
has
been
sending
out
in
your
daily
emails
to
us,
so
we're
on
the
forefront
of
information
and
we're
all
working
together
through
this.
L
L
So
I've
been
talking
with
evanston's
organization,
have
dreams
and
we're
really
anxious
to
collaborate.
The
alignment
of
the
workforce
training
program
that
they
have
in
our
employee
hiring
program,
which
has
been
customized
for
adults
with
autism,
is
pretty
remarkable,
and
so
we
can't
wait
to
get
started
on
this
initiative.
L
J
Thank
you,
sarah.
So
we
have
our
two
experts.
I
know
that
you've
already
probably
reviewed
the
expert
reports
but
they're
available
for
questioning,
and
then
we
also
have
obviously
sarah
with
us
and
then
a
couple
individuals
from
dogtopia
corporate
to
talk
about
design.
You
know
any
other
issues
that
you
guys
might
see.
J
E
A
question
I
have
a
question
for
staff
just
to
back
up
for
a
moment.
Can
you
just
help
us
provide
some
context
on
the
purpose
on
the
zoning
purpose
for
the
research
park
area.
B
My
understanding
is
that
it
was
first
developed
in
the
1980s
as
an
attempt,
this
kind
of
joint
attempt
between
northwestern
and
the
city
to
to
attract
high-tech
industry
to
this
part
of
the
city.
I
think
it
should
be
noted,
and
I
don't
know
if
I
did
in
the
memo-
that
the
downtown
plan
for
the
city
basically
says
that
the
research
park
district
is
is
outdated
and
that
it
never
fulfilled
its
original
intent
and
that
it
it
should
be
essentially
rezoned
in
the
future
to
fit
better
into
the
into
the
downtown.
C
So,
to
clarify
kade,
essentially
going
forward,
this
area
is
likely
to
be
zoned
in
a
matter.
That's
consistent
with
the
downtown
zoning.
B
G
So
I
would
like
to
ask
about
this
as
well.
G
You
know
I
was
present
when
the
church
street
plaza
was
developed
when
jim
wilinski
and
judy
were
turning
evanston
into
a
place
where
rambles
were
blowing
down
the
street
into
something
that
they
helped
to
be
the
crown
jewel
of
downtown
evanston,
and
you
know
I
looked
at
all
of
the
other
locations
where
dogtopia's
are
in
the
the
the
other
suburbs
and
and
cities
that
you
noted
in
the
packet,
and
they
are
all
a
little
bit
more
industrial
than
our
than
our
core
downtown
area.
G
So
I
mean
this
is
kind
of
like
you
know,
a
glass
and
steel
office
building
where
we
will
have
upwards
of
140
dogs
five
years
down
the
road,
and
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
that,
having
that
availability
so
close
to
the
residential
areas,
north
of
north,
of
the
downtown
area,
that
fulfills
a
need,
but
I'm
just
not
sure
if
it
isn't
a
little
bit
short-sighted
on
our
part.
G
G
You
know
you,
I
I
and
again
your
plant,
your
dogtopia
is
so
much
more
developed
in
terms
of
its
planning
for
sound
and
noise
and
waste
management,
so
that
I
appreciate,
but
I
I
just
I-
I
just
have
a
real
difficult
time
with
with
how
far
this
strays
from
the
original
vision
of
what
the
church
street
theater
district
would
look
like.
You
know
I
being
sharing
a
wall
in
the
building
with
with
chili's
on
the
you
know,
other
restaurants,
I
it
to
me
it
it's
a
little
bit
incongruous.
G
So
in
all
of
the
other
neighborhoods
the
locations
are
either
big
box
store
developments
where
they're
gigantic
uses
anyway
they're
almost
warehousing
or
else
they
are
strip
malls
rand
road.
You
know
out
of
the
way,
but
this
is
our
core
downtown
area.
So
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
with
this
special
use,
simply
because
it's
it's,
it's
not
what
was
envisioned
at
the
time-
and
I
you
know
and
and
then
I'll
have
further
questions
down
the
road
you
you
say:
is
there
any
outdoor
space
for
the
dogs?
G
You
know
those
those
are
some
of
the
things,
but
just
fundamentally
I
I
have
to
say
that
this
is
a
really
far
cry
from
what
was
the
original
intent
for
the
theater
district
in
downtown
evanston,
and
I
think
that
that
we're
we
might
be
stretching
a
little
bit
because
we
are
in
an
economic
slump
and
we
are
in
the
midst
of
a
pandemic,
but
I
would
hate
to
cut
off
our
nose
despite
our
faces.
C
If
I
can
jump
in
here
as
well
a
couple
of
thoughts-
one-
I
am
a
pet
parent,
so
I
am
your
target
audience
and
you
know
my
dog
does
attend
one
of
the
the
doggy
daycares
in
evanston
and
it's
a
huge
service,
and
I
absolutely
appreciate
that
it's
a
you
know
it's
something
that
I
value
in
our
community
and
I
applaud
your
desire
to
to
open
a
dogtopia
in
evanston.
So
I
applaud
that
and
welcome
the
investment
in
evanston.
C
I
share
muffy's
concerns
about
whether
this
is
an
appropriate
use
for
our
downtown
district.
You
can
call
it
the
research
park,
but
it
is
our
downtown
district
and
you
know
I
I
share.
You
know
our
downtown.
Our
retail
corridors
are
struggling.
C
That
said,
you
are
signing.
You
know,
desire
to
sign
a
10-year
lease
here
with
you
know,
five-year
extensions,
and
I
think
it
may
be
short-sighted
on
our
part
to
allow
a
very
intensive
use
in
our
core.
C
You
know
I
go
to
you
know
I
drop
my
dog
off.
I
pick
my
dog
up.
I
see
you
know,
I
see
the
type
of
use
it
is,
and
I
appreciate
it
and
understand
its
value,
but
again
that
uses
in
a
more
industrial
area.
I
do
have
a
question
for
staff
and
then
I
you
know,
welcome
the
applicant.
You
know
addressing
some
of
the
concerns
here,
but
my
question
for
staff
for
cade
or
melissa
is
whether
you
know
the
economic
development
team
has
weighed
in
here.
B
Yeah
we've
worked
pretty
closely
with
paul
on
this
and
I
think
his
feeling
is
the
need
to
find
alternative
uses
in
what
was
traditional
retail
areas
in
the
city,
and
I
think
that
well,
I
know
that
he's
supportive
of
it
not
only
for
that,
but
also
because
this
has
been
a
long
vacant
space.
I
think
in
nearly
10
years
that
has
been
vacant
and
I
think
paul
actually
sees
it
as
a
complimentary
use
that
can
help
help
the
downtown
so
that
that's
economic
development's
view
on
it.
If
that's
helpful,.
M
M
I'm
glad
that
I
chose
my
zoom
background
today
to
be
our
downtown
columbus
location
that
recently
opened.
It
is
underneath
a
long-term
hotel
next
door
to
children's
hospital,
fully
surrounded
by
all
downtown
locations
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
from
a
sound
attenuation
standpoint
to
have
residents
and
guests
hotel
guests
that
have
their
children
in
a
hospital
near
you
and
that
are
trying
to
sleep
at
all
hours
of
the
day,
because
they
have
varied
schedules
trying
to
visit
their
children
in
the
hospital.
M
M
M
We
also
have
two
in
washington
dc,
one
in
downtown
dc
that
just
opened
again
just
an
amazing
location.
Again
sound
attenuation
is
no
problem
there.
We
also
have
one
in
downtown
seattle
harbour
steps
in
seattle.
M
Our
neighbor
is
a
starbucks,
our
neighboring
tenants
above
us,
our
residents
residents,
and
then
this
beautiful
outdoor
step
area,
where
there's
restaurants
and
retail
and
people
come
out
of
their
businesses
to
sit
and
have
lunch
and
enjoy
lunch
and
there's
outdoor
concerts
and
all
kinds
of
downtown
artistic
environment
down
there,
and
we
are
a
welcome
tenant
there,
our
our
pet
parents,
there
come
from
they
some
of
them
work
there
they
live
there.
M
They
play
there,
we
have
extended
hours,
so
they
can
attend
the
theater
or
they
can
attend
an
event
and
they
can
bring
their
pup
and
leave
their
pop
releases.
You
said,
being
a
pet
parent
is
very
much
especially
nowadays
very
much
like
parenthood
of
a
child
and
they
become
very
much
a
part
of
your
family,
as
murphy
has
become
a
part
of
sarah's
family.
M
We
actually
acquired
dogtopia
about
four
years
ago
fought
actually
now,
it's
about
five
years
ago
in
2015.,
the
earlier
locations
that
had
been
built
prior
to
that
most
of
them
were
in
more
industrial
locations.
M
They
started
out
in
virginia
in
and
a
number
of
the
older
stores,
and
that
might
be
what
you
have
are
seeing.
We
definitely
have
locations
in
kind
of
strip,
centers
kind
of
anchored
by
like
a
sprouts
or
a
trader
joe's,
or
something
like
that
again,
where
our
customer,
you
know,
comes
and
and
works
and
plays,
but
but
we
really
love
our
downtown
locations,
the
one
that
just
opened
in
stanford
connecticut's
amazing.
M
We
have
just
got
a
sup
passed
in
dedham
massachusetts
again,
another
location,
downtown
location
and
norwalk
connecticut
just
signed
a
lease
there,
so
we're
really
growing
into
the
metro
areas
and
in
more
urban
and
more
densely
populated
areas,
because
people
are
choosing
to
be
able
to
live
in
a
smaller
footprint,
but
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
their
out
their
dog
out
to
exercise.
They
want
their
dog
to
be
a
part
of
their
live,
work,
play
lifestyle
and
we're
the
perfect
companion.
For
that.
A
I
have
a
question
back,
it's
a
couple
of
questions
back
and
I
think
mary
asked
the
question:
do
you
have
an
outsour
outdoor
area
in
this
location,
downtown?
Sarah
in
in
our
research
park?
L
There
will
be
overnight
boarding,
but
with
regards
to
the
the
outdoor
space,
this
is,
I
think,
about
half
I
think
kathy
mentioned
in
a
previous
call.
We've
had
about
half
of
dowtopia's
do
not
have
outdoor
play
kathy.
Did
you
want
to
talk
about
that?
A
little
bit.
M
We
work
really
hard
to
bring
the
outdoors
in
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
we.
We
have
rubberized
floors
for
the
comfort
of
the
joints
and
paws
of
our
our
dogs.
We
do
a
lot
of
activities
inside
give
them
plenty
of
room
to
run
and
play.
We
also,
you
know
just
do
some
visual
stimulus
for
them,
as
well
as
some
gym
equipment
for
them
to
be
able
to
play
on.
M
We
have
an
open
play
environment
and
we
separate
the
dogs
by
size
and
temperament
so
that
they
have
enough
room
to
move
around
with
their
friends
and
play
in
that
environment.
We
also
because
we
have
to
design
all
of
our
stores
based
on
a
kennel
code
and
kennel
code
candidly
and
in
most
jurisdictions
is
20
years
old.
It's.
This
is
definitely
not
a
kennel.
We
don't
it's
not
what
you
would
typically
visualize.
As
you
know,
as
you
mentioned,
maybe
a
more
industrial
kennel
with
kind
of
chain
link
and
enclosures
for
pups.
M
Definitely
not
the
case
here
that
very
much
looks
like
they're
going
to
school.
We've
modeled
it
after
kind
of
a
daycare
environment
for
children,
though
it
has
the
same
safety
features
and
and
fun
accessible,
exciting
area
for
for
the
dog.
M
So
we
ex
have
to
because
of
that
kettle
code
we
have
to
exhaust
90
percent
of
the
air
every
12
minutes
in
in
these
dog
play
rooms.
So
we
have
a
really
intense
hvac
system
and
that
hvac
system
keeps
it
we
always
say
fresh
and
clean
and
smelling
like
a
million
bones.
M
So
it
really
does
keep
it
very
fresh
and
clean.
We
also
use
sterile
air
in
our
hvac
units
to
sanitize
the
air
and
to
also
kill
any
pathogens,
we're
also
extremely
diligent
around
taking
care
of
the
pups
that
come
into
our
location.
So
they
go
through
a
three
three
step
process.
M
They
first
have
to
have
a
meet
and
greet
and
they
have
to
pass
that
meet
and
greet,
but
before
they
come
into
the
location,
they
also
have
to
share
all
of
their
records,
their
veterinary
records
with
sarah
and
her
team,
and
they
have
to
validate
that.
So
we
have
a
safe
environment
with
dogs
that
that
are
well
taken
care
of,
and
then
they
go
through
the
meet
and
greet
and
are
assessed
for
size,
temperament
and
their
ability
to
interact
with
their
their
pack
or
what
will
be
their
pack.
M
And
then-
and
I
know
you
mentioned
the
boarding-
then
they'll
have
the
chance
to
actually
do
an
overnight
once
they
become
an
established
daycare.
Pup
and
their
pet
parent
becomes
a
part
of
our
dogtopia
family
and
it
becomes
then
an
extension
of
the
services
that
we
would
extend
to
that
pet
parent
and
that
pet,
so
that
they
can
go
on
a
weekend
away.
They
can
enjoy
a
late
night
out
or
they
can
take
a
vacation.
G
Can
I
ask
how
many
dogs
you
anticipate?
You
will
be
boarding
in
one
year,
two
years,
five
years.
L
I
can
answer
it
sure
the
I
would
say
the
first
year.
We
would
anticipate
well,
I
think,
at
any
given
at
any
given
time.
You
would
anticipate
60
to
70
capacity
and
the
total
capacity
of
the
store
is
116
dogs.
So,
on
any
given
day,
you
would
probably
have
20
to
25
dogs
in
each
playroom
and
in
the
playrooms
you're
gonna
have
one
to
two
canine
coaches,
so
I
will
say:
oh
go.
M
G
The
another
question
that
I
have,
I
know
that
this
is
for
staff.
Really.
I
know
that
notices
go
out
to
property
owners
within
a
certain
geographic
area,
just
as
we
saw
in
the
case
previous
to
this,
the
applicant
had
not
talked
to
any
of
the
tenants
who
lived
in
the
building
next
door,
and-
and
for
that
case
I
wouldn't
see
that
that
would
be
necessary
at
all.
G
I
wonder,
though,
if,
if
the
tenants
you
know
the
commercial
tenants
in
downtown
evanston
have
been
notified
of
this,
so
that
they
can
weigh
in,
and
I
mean
if
someone
has
a
10,
15,
20
or
lease,
and
they
have
something
to
say
about
this.
They
may
not
be
the
property
owner,
but
I
think
they
they
and
you
know
again
for
a
lot
of
the
businesses
in
in
you
know.
G
The
church
street
plaza
theater
district
having
clients
be
able
to
come
and
leave
their
pets
in
a
a
very
high-end
daycare
evening
care
so
that
they
can
avail
themselves
of
the
restaurants
that
it
might
have
huge
appeal,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
they
were
notified.
B
It's
it's
500
feet,
but
to
your
point
you
know
the
notices
go
out
to
the
taxpayer
of
records,
so
it
we
did
not
reach
out
to
individual
tenants
of
the
spaces.
G
I'm
just
I'm
just
saying
that
I
think
that
it
is
because
of
the
particularities
of
the
theater
district,
that
this
is
something
that
might
enjoy
a
broader
discussion
with
the
other
stakeholders
and
long-term
tenants
in
the
theater
district,
I
would
say:
are
legitimate
stakeholders.
C
Sarah,
can
you
speak
to
whether
or
not
you've
had
conversations
with
any
of
those
tenants?
I
note
that
in
the
dapper
record
at
that
time
it
indicates
that
the
applicant
is
unaware
of
the
chili's
restaurant
back
door
had
been
notified.
So
can
you
speak
to
whether
you've
engaged
any
of
those
tenants
and
stakeholders
in
the
neighborhood?
I
note
that
some
of
the
letters
of
support
that
you
have
in
the
packet
while
important
are
really
not
addressing
sort
of
some
of
those
immediate
neighboring,
tenants
and
stakeholders.
M
I
could-
and
I
know
that
this
is
not
not
specific
to
your
evanston
co-tenants,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
and
I'll
just
refer
back
to
those
locations
that
have
downtown
locations
with
with
restaurants
right
next
door,
sharing
a
demising
wall.
They
appreciate
and
we
do
actually
a
lot
of
kind
of
cross
marketing
with
them,
where
you
know
they
right
now,
and
I'm
not
sure
about
the.
M
If
there's
an
outdoor
seating
for
that
chili's,
but
there's
definitely
been
a
big
advent
of
people
wanting
to
bring
their
pups
with
them
to
dinner
or
on
their
way
out
to
their
evening
out,
and
so
it's
very
very
often
that
we'll
do
what
we
call
parents
night
out
and
where
those
pups
will
actually
come
and
will
stay
open
late.
It
won't
be
an
boarding,
it
will
be.
You
know,
if
you're,
a
pet
parent
and
you
bring
your
pup
regularly,
you
can
come
and
do
your
late
night
out
and
the
restaurants
love
us.
M
G
D
G
A
A
A
And
what.
C
Are
you
via
letter?
I'm
sorry,
can
you
hold
up
there
so
and
then
overnight
boarding,
I
don't
know,
how
does
the
hours
work
for
overnight
boarding
because
those
hours
then
don't
reflect
that
use.
L
So
the
the
pups
will
have
the
overnight
boarding.
Pups
will
have
their
dinner
and
then
they'll
have
play
time
until
about
9
30
or
so
then
they
will
go
to
bed
and
then
in
the
morning
they
will
probably
get
up
for
breakfast
six
o'clock
or
so
before
the
normal
daycare
dogs
start
arriving,
and
then
that
way
they
will
have
breakfast
and
be
able
to
go
potty
before
the
daycare,
dogs
and.
L
In
the
in
the
playroom
just
normal,
where
the
normal
daycare
dogs
are
okay,.
M
Probably
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
so
actually
yeah.
We
didn't
discuss
that
yeah.
We
have
what
we
call
potty
platforms,
so
it
is
a
has
an
under
under
the
platform
drainage
system.
So
it
goes
into
the
sewer
system,
just
like
a
like
a
potty
wood
covered
in
artificial
turf,
and
it
has
a
we
use,
a
very
great
cleanser.
It's
a
bioenzymatic
cleanser
safe
to
the
dog's
paws
and
really
helps
us
with
the
odor
control.
M
So
when
the
dog
does
has
any
kind
of
solid
waste
that
is
immediately
picked
up,
double
bagged
and
and
disposed
of
any
liquid
waste
goes
down
that
into
that
body
platform
and
then
there's
a
hose
that
we
can
hose
it
down
and
put
the
bioenzymatic
cleaner
on
it.
M
It
takes
a
little
bit
for
a
pup
to
learn
that
that's
where
you
go
potty
but,
as
you
probably
have
seen,
if
you,
if
any
of
you
have
pups
as
soon
as
one
dog
decides
that
that's
where
they're
going
to
go
potty.
Suddenly
it's
the
it's
the
place
to
be
because
the
next
pump
wants
to
mark
that
space
as
well,
so
they're
pretty
good
at
using
it.
Our
canine
coaches
are
excellent
at
cleaning
it
up.
We
do
go
through
a
fair
amount
of
water.
M
C
Thank
you
and
then
to
clarify
one
additional
point
on
the
hours
I
I
guess
so,
the
overnight
boarding
that
is
not
staffed
when,
when
is
there
not
staffing
overnight,
so
you'll
have
dogs
there
overnight
and
when
the
staffing
will
even
arrive
the
next
morning.
L
L
And,
oh
yes
and
I
plan
to
have
yes
exactly
and
I
plan
to
have
two
employees
with
autism
on
staff.
That's
my
goal!.
D
G
And
what
about
the
overnight
staff
there.
D
L
Oh
yeah,
the
safety
measures
that
we
have
in
place.
Yes,
so
as
far
as
the
safety
measures
that
we
have
in
place,
we
have
webcams,
there's,
there's
audio
as
well
as
temperature
monitoring.
Just
in
case.
If
there's
you
know
heat,
I
mean
I
will
be
alerted
the
manager
will
be
alerted.
L
M
Yeah
and
if
you
one
of
the
great
things
about
the
technology
that
we
have
these
days,
is
our
our
franchisees
really
can
they
they
can
observe
that
location
straight
from
their
smartphone
the
whole
time
they
can
also
set
alerts
for
any
kind
of
deviations.
M
So
with
that
sophisticated
hvac
system
that
I
told
you
about,
you
know
we'll
set
a
set
point
that
we
would
want
that
the
air
temperature
and
the
humidity
to
be-
and
if
it
raises
or
lowers
above
that
or
below
that
it'll,
an
alarm
will
go
off
to
to
the
ownership.
They
can
also
set
it
with
their
general
manager
as
well.
M
So
multiple
people
can
have
access
to
that
and
then,
additionally,
with
those
webcams,
you
know
we,
our
pet
parents,
have
have
the
view
to
the
webcams,
as
well
as
our
staff
and
even
our
team.
So
sarah
will
be
really
supported
well
through
our
dogtopia
support
office.
M
She'll
have
a
lot
of
training,
as
well
as
her
team
on-site
training
for
a
number
of
weeks
for
herself,
and
then
we
will
send
a
team
out
to
on-site
train
her
staff
and
then
she'll
have
ongoing
support
from
her
operations
manager,
who
also
has
access
to
those
webcams
and
can
see
and
will
be
alerted
as
well.
So
we
have
multiple
people
that
are
are
helping.
Sarah
and
carrie
be
successful
and
helping
the
pups
to
have
a
safe
environment
with
which
to
to
rest
and
to
play.
G
G
If
I'm
sorry
go
ahead,.
I
Well,
thank
you.
So
my
question
is
mainly
about
the
exterior,
obviously
you're
taking
care
of
everything
inside.
That's
that's
fine,
but
my
concern
is
that
you
may
have,
for
instance,
too
many
people
coming
at
one.
At
the
same
time,
let's
say
early
in
the
morning
or
late
in
the
evening.
You
have
a
relatively
small
foray
and
I
don't
know
what
is
your
experience,
how
many
people
you
can
accommodate
or
how
many
dogs
at
one
at
the
same
time
and
if
you
have
a
line
outside,
especially
in
this
environment,
now
with
the
pandemic?
M
Yeah
we,
the
pandemic,
has
actually
given
us.
We
keep
looking
for
silver
linings
in
this
and
one
of
the
silver
linings.
Is
it
really
quickly
challenged
us
as
we
had
all
of
these?
You
know.
140
open
day
cares
with
with
folks
that
want
it
still
wanted
to
bring
their
pups
there,
and
how
were
we
going
to
do
this
in
a
safe
environment,
and
so
we
quickly
went
to
and
pivoted
to
our
technology
platform
that
was
already
in
place.
M
We
have
a
app
where
pet
parents
can
actually
schedule
their
visit
their
time
for
drop
off.
They
can
schedule
their
pickup
and
any
services
that
their
pup
needs,
while
their
pup
is
there.
So
we
immediately
looked
at
that
app
and
said.
Okay,
how
can
we
help
to
have
contact
list
drop
off
and
pick
up
and
make
this
easy
for
pet
parents?
M
Otherwise,
as
we
said,
they
have
full
transparency
to
see
on
the
webcams
how
their
pup
is
doing
and
they
can
actually
pull
up
right
in
front
of
the
location
and
alert
us
on
their
app,
and
we
can
be
out
there
to
get
their
pup
and
walk
their
pup
in
immediately.
M
So
sarah
will
staff
in
the
morning
at
pick
at
drop-off
time
and
at
pick-up
time
to
accommodate
that,
so
that
she
has
what
we
call
rovers
or
runners
that
can
go
out
and
get
those
pups
and
bring
them
in
safely
and
allow
the
pet
parents
to
be
able
to
move
quickly
through
through
the
process
of
drop
off,
and
I'm
going
to
let
sarah
share
about.
She
just
had
a
pretty
big
win
that
we
learned
of
last
week
that
she
was
pretty
excited
about
about
some
spaces.
That
will
help
her
to
do
this.
L
Sure
sure
we,
additionally,
we
have
a
couple
spaces
in
the
alleyway
that
the
landlord
is
giving
us,
and
then
the
parking
manager
in
the
city
is
going
to
is
amenable
to
converting
the
spaces
in
front
of
our
site
into
30-minute
spots,
for
additional
turnover
for
our
business
and
also
other
businesses
in
the
area
which
will
which
will
really
help
with
you
know,
bringing
bringing
the
dogs
in
and
out
so
that
you
know
most
of
our
most
of
our
time
for
drop
off
in
the
morning
is
from
6
30
a.m,
until
nine
and
then
for
pickup
is
from
about
4
pm
until
7
pm.
L
We
also
have
dogs
that
are
that
are
half
day
dogs.
We
also
have
dogs
that
might
be
there
the
whole
stretch
of
the
day
for
for
essential
workers
that
have
longer
shifts.
So
so
we
have
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
well.
So
we
have
people
that
have
all
different
all
different
hours
that
are
across
the
board.
M
I
think
it
would
be
just
the
bioenzymatic
cleanser
and
the
dog
food
and
the
bioenzymatic
cleanser
comes
in
a
large
drum
that
can
be
delivered
and
then
it's
it's
mixed
with
water
and
we
have
a
self-mixing
machine
that
does
that
so
that
it
lasts
for
quite
some
time.
She'll
probably
have
one
delivery
of
that
a
month,
and
then
I
would
say
the
food
may
be
weekly
and
that
would
be
it.
M
L
I've
managed
teams,
but
I
have
not
run
a
business.
M
That's
why
our
franchisees
most
of
them
join
us
is
because
they're
looking
for
their.
You
know,
entrepreneurs
they
want
to
start
their
own
business,
but
they
want
the
support
of
someone
to
help
steer
them
along
the
way,
give
them
a
really
clear
path
on
how
to
do
it
and
how
to
do
it
successfully
and
for
sarah.
The
nice
thing
is
she's
got
six
peers
in
the
chicagoland
area
that
are
running
dogtopias,
so
she
can
go
train
in
those
stores.
She
can
ask
for
some
support
with
them,
so
they're
right
there.
M
G
Okay,
can
I
ask
a
question
where,
where
is
dogtopia,
what
is
its
headquarters.
G
Phoenix
and
so
the
franchise
obviously
has
really
strict
protocols
and
obviously
quite
a
lot
of
support,
which
is
which
is
very
good,
has
doctopia
ever
revoked
a
franchise.
M
We
haven't
revoked
a
franchise
and
since
the
time
that
we've
owned
the
the
location,
but
we
have
had
franchisees,
where
there's
been
a
common
agreement-
that
it
might
not
be
the
the
business
that
they
decided
that
they
that
they
thought
that
it
was
going
to
be,
and
we
always
have
another
franchisee,
that's
willing
to
step
in
and
take
over
their
store.
M
So
we
have
had
a
couple
of
acquisitions
of
stores,
but
the
acquisitions
has
have
been
coordinated
through
our
ops
team
and
where
you
know
in
some
cases
we
actually
had
an
acquisition
where
the
person
stayed
and
actually
stayed
and
worked
there,
but
just
didn't
want
the
responsibility
of
the
day-to-day
financial
commitment,
and
so
but
no,
we
have
not
any.
We
have
not
revoked
anyone,
but
we're
we're
very.
M
We
have
a
top
dog
program
and
we
we
certify
all
of
our
centers
as
not
all
of
them,
most
of
them
so
far
as
top
dog
facilities.
It's
a
very
rigorous
program
and
it's
we
developed
it
two
years
ago
and
it
is
in
all
of
our
new
franchisees
that
sign
franchise
agreements.
It's
a
requirement
for
them
to
be
top
dog
certified.
M
So
sarah
has
that
she
has
a
year
to
get
top
dog
certified
once
once.
She
opens
the
store,
of
course,
she'll
always
meet
the
minimum
standards,
but
wow
won't
it
be
great
when
she
goes
above
and
beyond
and
hits
that
top
dog
certification
and
our
franchisees
are
pretty
collaborative
competitive
group
and
they
want
to
have
the
safest
best
location
as
well,
so
we're
here
for
them.
M
The
franchisee
is
the
lessee,
but
we
have
a
second
position,
so
we
have
step
in
rights
so
that,
if
anything
ever
does
change,
we
don't
disrupt
the
service
to
the
pet
parents
and
the
pets
that
we
can
step
in
and
run
the
location
until
we
can
find
another
franchisee
to
take
over
that
space.
So
we.
N
M
Pride
in
vetting
really
great
locations,
we
love
this
location
and
we
love
evanston
and
we
have
actually
our
stores
that
are
in
the
chicagoland
market
are
really
great
locations,
so
we're
excited
to
add
another
one
to
to
our
portfolio
there.
Yes,
next.
E
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment
about
the
site.
I
I
appreciate
the
earlier
comments
about
this,
may,
not
being
you
know
the
standard
definition
of
an
industrial
area
per
se,
but
I
I
visited
the
site
on
my
bike
this
last
weekend
and
when
you
go
in
that
area,
it
feels
like
a
micro
industrial
area,
because
you
have
it's
it's
like
a
dead
spot.
You
have
the
tracks
and
a
university
building
with
hardly
any
windows
and
a
parking
garage,
and
it's
not
like
it's
not
highly
trafficked.
F
A
lot
of
my
questions
have
already
been
asked.
Forgive
me
if
these
are
disjointed.
These
are
just
questions.
I've,
jotted
down.
I
know
the
building.
Well,
I
know
downtown
well,
it's
never
occurred
to
me.
What
is
the
usage
above
this
space?
Is
that
the
extension
of
the
movie
theater
does
that
extend
that
far
down.
N
N
G
M
Anywhere,
where
there
would
be
a
cotenant
that
has
a
shared
wall
or
what
we
would
call
a
demising
wall
or
the
wall
above
us,
we
would
absolutely
do
the
specialized
sound
attenuation
work
there.
So.
F
Okay,
do
you
have
any
do
you
have
any
plans
or
any
other
facilities,
have
kind
of
complementary
uses
to
this,
like
grooming,
retail,
anything
beyond
daycare
and
kenneling
all.
M
Of
our
locations
have
have
grooming,
we
call
it
spa
because
some
of
the
locations
don't
actually
clip
or
cut
doug's
hair,
so
they
just
have
a
bath
or
or
nail
trims.
It's
required
for
all
of
our
franchisees
to
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
If
a
dog
becomes
soiled
in
one
in
some
way,
so
they
can
give
a
courtesy
bath
and
also
so
that
we
can
protect
those
rubber
floors.
M
We
do
want
dogs
nails
to
be
trimmed
at
a
comfortable
length
for
them
that
doesn't
damage
the
rubber
floors
as
well.
So
both
of
those
activities
will
always
happen.
Sarah
and
kerry
have
the
choice
if
they
would
like
to
extend
that
spa
service
and
be
able
to
do
actual
grooming-
and
you
know,
trims
on
on
dog's
hair-
is.
M
M
However,
they
don't
have
to
be
a
regular
daycare
dog
to
be
able
to
use
the
service
if
she
chooses
to
do
the
grooming
or
the
cutting
for
the
spa
service.
If
she
only
does
it's
really
just
for
daycare
and
boarding
parents,
so
typically
our
franchisees
begin
their
business
with
the
daycare
first.
They
then
begin
to
layer
in
some
of
the
boarding
and
then
once
they're
really
comfortable
with
their
pet
parents
and
their
the
dogs
that
attend
regularly.
M
They
might
choose
to
expand
as
they
find
if
there's
pet
parent
need
for
the
grooming,
typically
dogs
kind
of
follow
their
groomers.
It's
kind
of
like
when
you
get
your
hair
cut.
If
you're,
if
your
stylist
goes
to
a
different
salon,
you
might
follow
them.
So
it's
really
important
that
she
would
find
the
right
groomer
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
that
we
always
encourage
them
to
make
that
secondary
to
opening
your
location
and
getting
your
safety
protocol.
And
your
top
dog
facility
and
your
your
and
all
of
that.
F
If
that
is
something
that
the
lewis
says
choose
to
pursue
in
the
future,
from
your
experience
with
other
franchisees,
do
you
have
an
understanding
of
how
those
I'm
trying
to
gauge
what
the
maximum
usage
of
the
space
would
be?
So
what
the
usage
is
beyond
the
numbers
that
you've
given
as
average
for
daycare
and
kenneling,
that.
M
Is
really
yes
and
I
think
sarah
do
you
have?
Did
you
design
yours
with
one
or
two
tubs?
They
have
an
option.
There's
two
tubs,
so
she
couldn't
have
any
more
than
four
dogs
for
grooming
at
any
one
time,
meaning
two
in
weight,
possibly
drying
and
two
in
tubs
being
washed
or
groomed.
So
you
know,
I
can't
imagine
that
it's
going
to
add
any
more
than
four
pups.
Typically,
the
use
of
grooming
in
our
in
our
stores
is
almost
always
for
our
regular
pet
parents
that
come
regularly.
M
It's
very
rare
that
we
have
somebody
that
just
brings
their
dog
for
grooming
and
doesn't
use
our
other
services,
so
pet
parents
will
often
bring
their
dog
for
daycare
and
say:
oh
today's,
the
day
that
I
want
to
have
a
bath
we'll
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
day
before
they
get
picked
up
or
today's
the
day
I
want
to
have
a
groom,
they'll
get
groomed
and
then
mom
will
come
and
pick
up.
No,
it's.
M
Some
locations
do
have
walk-in
grooming,
like
I
said
I
think,
it'll
be
a
while
down
the
road
for
sarah
and
kerry
before
they
get
to
that
point.
We
always
start
first
with
our
daycare
pup.
So
it's
the
best
way
to
to
get
that
business
rolling
if
you,
if
they
choose
to
do
it,
but
again,
her
spa
is
small,
only
two
tubs
and
so
she's
she'll.
Never
that's
never
going
to
be
her
core
business.
F
I
see
like
retail
services,
does
that
include
dog
grooming.
O
Correct
in
this
instance,
it's
an
accessory
used
to
the
principal
use,
but
it
would
be
considered
considered
a
retail
service
use
which
is
allowed.
F
Thank
you,
and
I
think
this
is
my
final
question
for
this
location
in
particular.
Have
you
done
a
market
analysis
of
of
how
you
think
your
customers
will
access
your
services?
Will
it
be
by
foot?
Will
it
be
by
car?
Do
you
have
an
idea?
What
that
split
would
be.
M
I
don't
know
if
sarah's
done
a
study,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
what
we
find
at
our
other
downtown
locations.
As
I
said,
we've
got
about
eight
of
them
that
are
operating
right
now,
and
it's
about
it's
about
a
70
30
split
regarding
people
that
are
cut
they're
already
either
coming
to
the
area
via
a
vehicle,
and
then
they
walk
their
dog
to
our
location
or
they
reside
there
and
they
walk
their
dog
to
our
location.
M
Activities
for
that
kind
of
live
work
play
the
play
side
of
it
where
they're
coming,
because
it's
there's
something
fun.
That's
going
on
in
that
downtown
area,
but
most
of
our
downtown
locations
already
have
you
know:
either
they
they're
already
either
coming
there
or
they
live
there.
They're
coming
there
to
work,
and
so
they're
already
parking
near
where
they
work
or
they
might
for
us,
use
the
app
so
kind
of
a
70
30
split.
I
have
some
that
are
maybe
a
50
50
split
because
they
have
a
little
bit
more
access.
M
This
one
has
actually
really
great
park.
You
know
road
and
parking
access,
comparatively
speaking,
are
one
in
harbor
steps.
You
literally
have
to
climb
about
60
steps
to
get
to
it.
If
you
don't
live
or
work
right
there,
so,
hence
the
name
harbor
steps.
F
I
have
one
final
side,
just
a
quick
clarification
question.
I
know
we've
talked
about
outdoor
space,
I
saw
in
the
definition
of
animal
daycare
and
kennel
that
you
have,
it
is
spelled
out
to
permitted.
Animals
are
permitted
outside
of
the
premises
to
relieve
themselves.
Do
you
ever
take
the
animals
outside.
J
I
think
that's
within
the
original
definition
of
kennels,
which
is
why
we
didn't
actually
need
to
be
included
under
kennels,
because
we
don't
need
that
resource,
which
is
why
we
had
sought
to
amend
the
definition
of
domestic
animal
daycare
so
that
we
didn't
necessarily
need
that
specific
element
of
outside
access.
But
the
dogs
will
be
not
outside
and
they're
all
self-contained
in
the
facility.
G
M
M
A
Myrna,
okay
and
ask
ask
our
board
what
we
think
of
this.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
your
presentation.
A
G
Well
again,
I
have
I
have
some
fairly
deep
reservations.
I
would
love
to
see
the
team.
You
know
it
again.
Your
presentation
is
very
good.
You
know
your
letters
of
recommendation
are
meaningful
and
the
fact
that
you
intend
to
employ
autistic
canine
companions
or
coaches,
I
think,
is
a
wonderful
thing.
I
have
reservations
that
I
would
love
to
see
a
conversation
with
the
other
stakeholders
in
the
neighborhood.
G
I'd
see
that
that's
that's
something
I
would
love
to
see
happen,
and
that
can
happen
between
the
time
that
we
have
this
discussion
and
before
you
go
before
city
council,
so
I
would
hope
that
you
would
reach
out
to
the
the
the
tenants,
the
long-term
tenants
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
and
again
I
think
that
there
may
be
great
enthusiasm,
but
you
would
certainly
want
to
know
before
before
you
open
that
that
you've
addressed
concerns
that
people
may
have.
G
Given
that
I
have
great
reservations,
I
I
do
see
what
max
is
saying
that
900
block
of
clark
street
is
a
little
bit
of
a
dead
zone
before
you
cross
benson
and
once
again
get
into
a
much
more
vibrant
downtown
scene.
So
I
would
I
not
withstanding
the
reservations
because
of
the
strong
branding
of
dogtopia
corporate
and
the
support
that
they
would
add.
G
I
would
certainly
not
stand
in
the
way
of
this,
provided,
of
course,
that
that
the
zoning
the
text
amendment
is
approved
and
and
again
I'm
sure
that
city
council
may
have
some
additional
questions,
but
I
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
with
it
and
I
think
that
again,
the
great
support
from
your
corporate
partners
is
the
deciding
factor.
In
my
estimation,
so
good
luck.
Sarah.
F
I'll
jump
in
I,
I
echo
a
lot
of
what
board
member
mccully
just
said.
I
I've
seen
evanston
change
a
lot
in
my
time
and
I
can
appreciate
that
when
this
business,
just
or
when
the
research
park
was
conceived,
downtown
evanston
wasn't
what
it
is
now
and
the
level
and
the
intensity
of
residential
uses
in
downtown.
Perhaps
it
was
visualized
back
then,
but
it
certainly
wasn't
actualized.
F
To
that
extent
back
then,
so
I
think
accordingly,
our
uses
of
the
downtown
area
have
to
support
residents
of
the
downtown
area
to
the
extent
where
it's
reasonable
and
possible.
I
I
would
also
share
the
concern
about
corresponding
with
the
adjacent
tenants
in
particular
chili's
and
the
movie
theater.
If
that's
the
case,
and
I
would
also
suggest
extending
that
to
any
tenants
that
you
would
share
the
outdoor.
You
know
the
the
rear
access
space
with
whether
it's
with
regards
to
waste
management,
or,
if
you,
I
don't
know
the
details
of
your
hvac
upgrade.
A
A
I
think
that
if
this
project
is
done
in
the
correct
way,
it
could
actually
be
a
boon
as
long
as
there's
not
like
you
know
a
bunch
of
dogs
outside
and
no
complaints
from
the
neighbors.
However,
those
of
you
who
know
about
leasing,
I
feel
like
five
years,
is
a
long
time.
If
this
is
not
a
correct
fit.
I
don't
know
how
to
change
that.
A
I
don't
know
how
to
fix
that,
and
maybe
the
things
that
you
were
asking
about
for
them
to
extend
themselves
to
the
surrounding
businesses
could
be
a
condition
on
our
proposal
to
send
this
forward.
I
don't
know
whoever
makes
the
motion
could
consider
how
to
how
to
include
that.
I
don't
know
if
we
could
include
that
staff
would
have
to
let
us
know,
but
on
the
overall,
if
this
is
done
correctly,
this
could
be
a
great
proposal
for
dancing
now.
I
I
can
chime
in
just
for
several
words.
I
think
it's
a
good
project
and
with
all
my
concerns
about
how
people
will
access
it,
I
would
say
it:
it
should
get
our
support
and
go
forward.
I
would
encourage
the
team
to
think
about
some
additional
exterior
changes
on
this
street
and
especially
at
this
location.
I
Space
and
everything
you
use
is
inside,
which
is
actually
good,
but
the
we
are
we're
careful
about
making
our
streets
life
and
this
this
street
being
in
downtown
levenston,
no
matter
it.
It's
an
enclosed
facility,
maybe
you'll
find
something
and
don't
encourage
you
to
think
about
some
additional
uses
that
you
can
use
the
space
in
front
of
your
facility,
including
the
sidewalks,
so
that
you
can
make
this
more
like
live
space
which
this
especially
as
max
mentioned.
This
part
of
the
street
needs
a
little
bit
more
life
over
there.
I
E
That
it's
a
difficult
spot
and
I
think
we
it
requires
some
some
creativity
and
flexibility
in
our
part,
to
encourage
a
solution
that
can
work,
and
I
think
this
can
very
well
likely
be
it.
So
I'm
in
favor.
C
I'll
jump
in
here
I
appreciate
the
really
thoughtful
presentation
and
I
it's
clear
that
dogtopia
has
a
strong
corporate
team
and
sarah.
I
really
applaud
you
for
wanting
to
invest
in
this,
and
I
share
the
the
passion
and
the
need
for
this
type
of
use.
I
continue
to
be
concerned
that
this
is
not
the
appropriate
location
for
it.
I
think
it's
a,
I
think
it's
a
really
intense
and
not
appropriate
location.
This
is
our
core
downtown.
C
I
understand
max
in
others
perspective
that
this
is
you
know
it's
a
quirky
location,
and
I
agree
as
a
member
of
the
economic
development
committee
that
we
are
going
to
need
to
be
open
to
other
non-traditional
retail
uses
in
our
downtown.
C
That
said,
I'm
not
convinced
that
this
does
not
interfere
or
diminish
some
of
the
other
uses
the
adjacent
uses.
It
would
not
have
a
negative
effect.
So
for
those
reasons
I
cannot
support
it.
So
thank
you.
A
Although
staff
recommends
approval,
the
responses
to
the
standards
below
constitute
the
professional
opinion
of
planning
and
zoning
staff
determination,
whether
the
standards
for
special
use
have
been
met
shall
be
exclusively
afforded
to
members
of
the
board
for
the
zba
to
recommend
that
city
council
grant
us
special
use.
The
zba
must
find
that
the
proposed
special
use-
a
is
one
of
the
listed
special
uses
for
the
zoning
district,
in
which
the
property
lies.
Staff
believes
that
this
standard
can
be
met
with
concurrent
legislative
action.
A
The
use
is
compliant
with
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
general
plan.
The
proposed
use
promotes
the
growth
and
redevelopment
of
a
business
and
commercial
area
and
strengthens
evanston's
economic
base
c
does
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
combination
with
existing
special
uses
or
as
a
category
of
land
use.
A
Staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
proposed
use
has
limited
potential
potential
to
negatively
interfere
with
any
pro
proximate
residential
commercial
or
office
uses
and
staff
believes
that
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
adequate
mitigation
measures
to
limit
the
potential
for
this
new
nuisances
associated
with
this
use.
G
G
So
I
can't
say
that
it
would
have
a
a
negative
impact,
but
but
I
again
I
would
like
to
see
that
dialogue,
so
I
would
not
I
I
would
say
conditionally,
but
I
would
say
yes
for
the
purposes
of
of
voting
for
the
project.
Okay,.
A
D
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
The
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
promo
proposed
use
would
occupy
a
currently
vacant
storefront
and
the
proposed
use
and
subsequent
improvements
would
add
to
the
value
and
the
vibrancy
of
the
property,
as
well
as
complement
nearby
residential
uses.
A
Okay
e
is
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
The
staff
believes
that
the
standard
has
been
met.
The
building
is
served
by
adequate
sidewalks
streets,
trash
collection
as
an
encroach
close
proximity
to
a
cta
bus
and
train
service
metro
service
and
the
maple
avenue
parking
structure.
A
F,
it
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion
staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
location
is
well
suited
for
customer
acts
to
access
by
foot
or
alternative
transit
options.
Furthermore,
the
proposed
use
is
in
close
proximity
to
public
transportation
and
the
maple
avenue
parking
structure.
Additionally,
the
potential
to
change
on
street
spaces
the
30-minute
parking
in
conjunction
with
scheduled
curbside,
pickup
and
drop
off
through
a
mobile
app
to
create
adequate
turnover
of
on-street
spaces
g
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources.
A
That's
not
applicable
h
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
resources
not
applicable
as
well.
I
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations.
Staff
believes
that
this
standard
has
been
met.
The
project
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
to
move
forward
with
the
next
steps
in
the
special
use
process.
G
Can
I
can
I
ask
a
quick
question:
this
is
for
staff,
so,
in
reference
to
what
carol
was
saying-
and
we
were
talking
about
conditioning
our
recommendation
for
moving
forward
on
this-
with
the
doctopia
team
reaching
out
to
other
stakeholders
in
the
community
other
than
property
owners
per
se,
I
wonder
if
we
can
also
condition
this
on
some
some
outdoor
beautification
of
the
space,
whether
that
is
you
know,
dog
sculptures,
a
couple
of
tables
so
that
the
parents
can
chat
when
they're
you
know
coming
or
going.
I
do
think
you'll
probably
have.
E
G
Of
walk-in
traffic
is
that
something
that
we
can
do
here
or
condition,
or
just
recommend
that
city
council.
B
G
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful
for
them
going
to
city
council
because,
as
as
max
pointed
out
it,
it
feels
like
a
long
vacant
area
and
if
it
is,
if
the
beautification
and
liveliness
is
confined
to
the
indoors,
and
it
remains
because
there
will
not
be
a
retail
component
and
it
remains
a
closed
space.
G
Then
it
it
defeats
the
purpose
of
enlivening
that
900
block
of
of
clark
street.
So
I
I
think
that
asking
them
to
work
with
staff
is
probably
the
right.
The
right
call.
G
Sure,
but
I
don't
have
the
information
in
front
of
me,
because
I
was
looking
up
dogtopia
on
my
computer.
G
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
the
lettering
in
the
case
of
900
clark
street,
that
we
recommend
that
city
council
approve
the
special
use,
provided,
of
course,
that
the
legislation
is
passed
by
the
plan
commission,
with
the
conditions
that
the
doctopia
team
continue
to
work
with
city
staff
on
means
of
beautifying,
the
beautifying
and
activating
the
front
of
the
space
that
the
dogtopia
team
reach
out
to
the
stakeholders
beyond
the
property
owners,
the
long-term
tenants
in
the
immediate
area
and
that
they
complete
their
project
in
accordance
with
the
documents
provided
here.
D
I'll,
second,
that
do
we
have
to
put
hours
of
operation.
We
did.
G
I'm
not
sure
that
hours
of
operation
are
would
be
was
poso
is
six
a.m
to
seven
p.m.
Sarah.
G
C
A
little
I'm
unclear
on
those
hours
of
operation,
because
we
know
that
this
is
a
basically
a
24-hour
operation
with
overnight
boarding.
So
if
we
state
hours
of
operation
as
such,
that
doesn't
seem
consistent
with
this
here,
can
we
get
some
clarification
from
staff.
A
B
Melissa,
if
you
want
to
jump
in
too
I
I
think
it
is
a
little
complicated,
especially
because
the
use
itself
stipulates
hours
of
operation
that
aren't
exactly
they
don't
match
with,
what's
being
proposed.
I
think
it's
8
30
to
4
30
or
something
similar.
G
Why,
wouldn't
we
just
say,
6
a.m,
to
7
p.m,
because
that
would
be
lisa.
That
would
be
the
the
time
during
which
the
doors
would
be
open
for
the
the
pets
and
the
pet
parents
to
be
coming
and
going
from
the
space.
G
M
J
Okay,
I'm
sorry
can,
I
just
add
a
clarifying
point,
so
we
sought
to
amend
the
definition
to
include
a
14-hour
time
frame
per
day
and
then,
additionally,
add
overnight
stays
to
domestic
animal
day
care.
J
G
Well,
how
about,
if
we
just
say
and
conditioning
it
also
on
hours
of
operation
as
approved
in
the
tax
amendment
being
considered
in
the
planned
commission
is,
is.
N
C
A
A
B
B
G
G
Well,
I
would
say
that
we
agree
to
it
if
they're,
considering
that
amendment
that
we
say
we're
in
accord
with
that.
C
I
agree
this
is
pretty
straightforward.
I
think
that
you
know
the
members
of
the
board
are
probably
in
the
best
position
to
to
elect
the
chair
and
vice
chair,
based
on
our
experience
with
our
fellow
members
here,
as
opposed
to
it
being
you
know,
determined
by
city,
council
or
the
mayor.
However,
it's
worth
it
right
now,
so
I'm
in
agreement.
E
Can
I
quickly
ask
a
question:
I
have
no
problem
with
the
proposal,
but
I'm
just
curious:
why
is
it
coming
up
or
why
is
the?
Why
is
why
is
this
being
proposed,
and
is
it
just
for
our
board
and
for
others
as
well.
O
But
I'll
give
a
little
background
on
that.
The
zoning
board
was
the
only
board
where
the
mayor
appoints
the
chair
every
other
border
committee
in
the
city.
It
was
already
up
to
the
committee,
so
staff
first
just
tried
to
align
the
the
different
land
use
committees
so
that
it
would
all
be
done
the
same.
So
the
original
request
was
actually
for
the
the
mayor
to
appoint
the
chair
of
the
plan.
Commission
and
city
council
ended
up
reversing
that
so
that
it
we
match
all
of
the
other
boards
and
committees.
F
O
D
G
Motion,
I
move
that
we
agree
with
the
city
council
and
elect
our
chair
and
vice
chair
on
an
annual
basis
among
the
members
of
the
board
of
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.