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B
B
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
live.
Let
me
go
ahead
and
start
the
recording.
A
There
we
are,
and
let
me
pull
up
the
agenda
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
Sorry.
A
B
Awesome.
Thank
you
any
welcome
to
the
the
meeting
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
B
Not
seeing
any,
are
there
any
public
comments
before
we
open
the
public
hearing?
Let's
see
anybody.
C
C
B
A
And
then
the
other
is
other
comments
from
the
public.
I
did
not
receive
any
other
comments
from
the
public,
but
we
did
get
two
comments
for
the
sidewalk
program.
B
Okay,
then,
for
the
public
for
the
the
the
public
hearing
on
the
sidewalk
program,
we
actually
have
to
open
and
close
that.
So
would
anyone
like
to
open
the
public
hearing
moved
by
marshall
second
by
rob
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
So
the
public
hearing
is
now
open
and
then
john
you,
you
had
some
comments.
C
Yeah
and
not
too
confusing
but
believe
the
public
hearing
is
related
to
the
sidewalk
assessments,
and
so
these
are
more
comments
related
to
the
work
plan
for
2022
and
not
the
sidewalk
assessment.
So
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
them
now
as
well.
Okay,
but
just.
C
Yeah,
no
so
from
kelly
nathan's.
The
comment
was.
C
Clear
from
the
release
plan
that
all
sidewall
corners
will
be
ada,
compliant
with
proper
ramps,
etc.
I'm
referring
to
this
document
the
sidewalk
budget
plan
that
was
on
the
city
website.
Please
include
these
ada
compliant
items
in
your
designs.
Sideways
should
be
minimum
of
three
feet
across
corners
should
have
wheelchair
ramps.
C
From
rebecca
weger
wieger
says,
I'm
a
disabled,
ithaca
resident
who
uses
a
power
wheelchair.
I
live
in
sidewalk
improvement,
district
one
and
spend
time
in
districts,
one
and
three
on
the
limited
occasions
that
I'm
able
to
leave
my
home.
I
am
constantly
frustrated
by
the
state
of
the
sidewalks.
The
surface
is
so
poor
that
I
purchased
a
second
wheelchair,
with
more
rugged
frame,
wheels
and
personal
cost
of
three
thousand
dollars
just
to
see.
If
I
get
more
places
as
a
power
chair
user,
I
consider
many
sidewalks
as
off-road
conditions.
C
I
do
not
see
accessibility
as
a
listed
goal
of
this
project
and
that
feels
critical.
I
haven't
seen
the
thought
process
behind
how
locations
are
selected,
but
I
offer
one
perspective
to
the
wheelchair
user
in
ithaca.
This
process
would
serve
us
better
if
considered
the
sidewalk
infrastructure
like
road
infrastructure,
we
essentially
snow
emergency
routes,
major
thoroughfares
through
town
that
are
always
repaired
and
passable
should
I
continue.
C
C
Example,
I
think
most
would
consider
keegan
street
a
critical
route.
The
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
cuba,
street
between
court
and
buffalo
has
been
closed
for
quite
a
while
due
to
construction,
but
the
east
side
of
the
street,
in
the
same
block,
has
significantly
height
disparity
in
the
sidewalk
near
the
end
of
two
week
park
by
the
church
and
the
next
contiguous
block
on
the
same
side
from
court
to
cascadilla
is
significantly
uneven.
These
roots
are
totally
impassable
in
some
chairs
for
chairs
that
can
get
over
these
services
or
around
them
in
the
tree.
C
Lawn.
The
spaces
are
jarring
and
painful
for
a
chair
user
who
may
already
live
with
pain
and
other
conditions
and
potentially
damaging
to
the
chair
for
many
of
us
wheelchairs
are
not
covered
by
our
medical
insurance
and
the
cost
repairs
replacements
are
directly
the
burden
of
the
disabled
person,
who
is
often
on
limited
income,
while
perhaps
not
as
critical
of
aurora
street,
is
also
a
certificate
thoroughfare.
C
Yet
at
many
blocks
in
fall
creek
there
are
no
curb
cuts
at
all
to
cross
it.
I
offer
these
just
as
examples.
I'm
sure
there
are
many
more.
I
urge
folks
to
take
another
look
at
the
plan
using
this
perspective
and
thinking
about
what
community
accessibility
looks
like
I'd
like
to
offer
an
additional
idea,
because
I
understand
there
are
work
and
budget
limitations
and
this
whole
project
will
be
ongoing.
We
need
a
way
for
folks
to
be
able
to
navigate
the
city
as
well
as
possible
off
walls
and
accessibility.
C
C
It
also
allows
for
crowdsourcing
of
problems
that
arise
like
cracked
sidewalks,
I'm
providing
a
link
to
more
information
about
the
project,
we'll,
let
you
discuss
it
more.
The
great
thing
about
designing
for
accessibility
is,
it
makes
every
makes
things
better
for
everyone.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Consideration.
B
Moved
by
rob
is
there
a
second
second
by
marshall,
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously
so
now
response
to
the
public.
A
couple
well-written
comments,
both
about
accessibility.
I
don't
know
john,
if
you
want
to
take
a
crack
at
responding
to
those.
I
know
this
is
something
that's
that's
important
to
you
as
well,
in
managing
our
sidewalk
improvement
plan.
C
Yeah
thanks
for
mayor,
these
are
both
well-written
comments,
and
so
it's
definitely
something
that
we
take
in
consideration
in
doing
the
sidewalk
plan
and
all
the
new
sidewalk
that's
constructed
is
ada
compliance.
The
cross
slope
is
less
than
two
percent
and
some
ada
ramps
do
get
done
each
year.
We
do
not
specifically
do
every
ada
ramp
that
we
are
on
each
block.
We
do
them
when
we
can.
C
If
there
is
already
a
drop,
curb
we'll
actually
leave
leave
the
drop
curve,
but
if
it's
a
full
height
curve,
we
oftentimes
will
try
to
make
it
an
ada
compliant
curve.
Sometimes
we
skip
over
if
the
concrete's
in
good
condition,
but
I
would
say,
ninety
percent
of
time
it
should
be
100
of
time.
We
will
take
care
of
the
88
curb
ramps
yeah.
So
I
think
the
reason
that
sometimes
we
do,
I
think
I've
skipped.
Maybe
two
or
three
aea
curb
ramps
in
the
five
years.
C
I've
done
it's
because
either
I
think,
paving
is
going
to
be
happening
on
that
street
as
well
in
the
next
year
or
so
or
there's
a
significant
drainage
concern
where
we
don't
want.
If
it's
on
buffalo
street
and
the
hill
is
really
steep
on
the
steeper
section,
the
700
800
block-
you
don't
want
water
following
the
ada
curb
line
to
go
into
that,
but
so
yeah
there's
only
been
a
handful
instances
where
we
they
are
passed
over.
B
F
Mayor
I'm
curious
about
john.
If
he
knows
about
any
of
those
programs
that
were
mentioned,
for
example,
the
ability
sounded
like
to
kind
of
like
make
ad-hoc
changes
crowdsourcing.
That
kind
of
thing
seems
like
an
interesting
thing
to
explore.
Potentially,
if
there's
an
immediate
need.
C
Yeah
thanks
john,
there
is
a
nice.
C
It's
called
like
a
story
map
mode
where
it
shows
what
streets
we
do
have
improved
sidewalks
on
I'm
saying
proving
that
they
are
passable.
They
are
newer
sidewalks,
so
those
blocks
are
available
through
the
sidewalk
story.
Mode
is
on
the
city
website.
C
It
does
talk
about
the
sidewalk
goals,
the
goals
of
the
program,
the
first
few
pages,
but
towards
the
bottom.
It
you
can
see
in
sort
of
route
plan.
C
So
it
may
not
be
a
100
update
so,
like
you
said,
maybe
potentially
crowdsourcing
that
and
talking
to
our
gis
folks
ruth
us
alliance
for
one
potentially
could
have
some
useful
information.
E
I'll
just
add
to
that
you
know
we
have
a
public
input
process
every
year
for
the
sidewalk
program
and
it
turns
out
people
do
not
have
a
very
hard
time
finding
john
to
get
input
on
where
to
replace
sidewalks.
So
if
people
have
particular
routes
or
ramps,
we're
always
open
to
suggestions
we're
more
than
happy
to
do
our
best
to
incorporate
them
into
future
work.
C
I
know
mike
we
thank
you
jim.
We
did
get
these
two
comments
I
think
from
today,
but
I
think
every
day
I
get
sort
of
like
a
pothole
issue
where
there's
a
pothole.
Today,
it's
been
there
for
a
while,
but
I
will
receive
those
comments
and
we
do
try
to
address
them.
I'm
not
trying
to
make
this
lay
hard,
but
at
least
at
least
once
twice
a
day.
C
I'll
get
hey,
please
repair,
my
sidewalk,
so
we
do
try
to
prioritize
these,
but,
as
we
know
with
the
budget
that
hopefully
get
approved
here
in
a
few
minutes
that
you
know
you
can't
do
so
much
each
year.
B
G
Am
I
am
I
on
yes,
you
are
so
the
the
planning
board
report
is
that
the
planning
board
is
meeting
right
now
for
final
approval
of
401
state
street
project
and
we're
at
quorum.
G
So
I'm
just
trying
to
listen
to
both
meetings
and
if
you
see
me
make
an
odd
reaction
or
raise
my
hand,
it
might
be
on
a
different
vote.
So
the
I
just
ask
your
patients,
please,
and
if
I
could
trouble
you
when
you
call
a
vote
on
the
sid
budget,
if
you
could
just
make
sure
you
have
my
attention
and
I'm
on
board,
so
I
can
raise
my
hand.
I'd
appreciate
mine.
B
Thank
you.
You
got
it
in
fact,
why
don't
we
knock
that
out
as
the
only
voting?
Thank
you
garrett.
Why
don't
we
jump
right
to
that
is
the
only
voting
item
on
the
agenda
tonight.
Would
anyone
like
to
move
that
resolution
and
then
we
can
discuss
it,
move
by
rob
as
their
second,
second
by
marshall,
okay,
discussion
or
john?
Do
you
want
to?
If
you
have
a
presentation
prepared,
the
memo
is
very
thorough.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
guys.
I
don't
have
a
a
presentation.
It
was
just
going
to
be
to
discuss
it's
always
nice,
to
recap
where
you've
gone
and
where
you
plan
to
go.
Of
course,
the
file
just
closed
on
me,
but
currently
we're
on
seneca
street
we're
going
to
finish
up
in
front
of
moosewood
pouring
concrete,
hopefully,
thursday,
friday.
C
We
did
some
long
sections
along
seneca
street
as
well
other
spots
of
green
street
and
seneca
this
past
year,
current
year
rather
2021,
and
we
did
a
little
work
in
cu,
her
cornell
heights,
utica
and
false
fall
street
or
utica
street
and
york
street
this
past
year
and
then
on
district
4
area.
We
did
some
work
on
south
plain
as
well
as
hillview
and
turner.
C
We
hit
a
few
spots
and
we
also
did
a
small
retaining
wall
repair,
for
that
was
a
long
overdue
and
we
think
we've
got
maybe
two
three
weeks
left
in
this.
The
current
work
plan
to
go
on
ithaca
road
to
get
a
good
amount.
There
done.
We
did
get
really
good
bid
prices
this
year,
so
we
were
able
to
look
at
that
contingency
list.
That's
on
the
work
plan.
I
think
it's
on
page
five
or
six
so
of
the
agenda.
C
C
It's
very
steep
there,
but
there's
a
lot
of
areas
are
spawning
concrete,
as
well
as
some
of
the
more,
even
though
we're
in
a
city,
urban
environment,
more
rural
residential
areas
of
south
hill,
terrace
and
hawthorne
place,
and
then
in
district
five,
we're
sort
of
thinking
about
trying
to
get
some
88
curb
ramps
at
elm
and
chestnut,
or
even
maybe
taking
that
money
and
do
more
design
work
with
that,
so
that
we
can
potentially
bid
for
a
bigger
grant
to
do
all
the
curb
ramps
that
are
needed
around
the
leaning
alternative
school
and
also
potentially
doing
a
small
section
of
new
sidewalk
at
100
sunrise
road.
C
Oh
yeah,
and
also
the
giles
street
project
between
east
state
street
and
the
bridge
down
by
the
flower
garden
that
was
funded
in
part
through
some
capital
projects
for
the
city,
as
well
as.
D
C
Dec
money,
so
that
will
hopefully
start
maybe
he's
doing
some
drainage
structures
this
this
fall,
but
most
the
sidewalk
will
get
done
next
spring
is
the
current
plan
so
we're
we're
managing
a
lot
and
hopefully
hire
another
engineering
technician.
Our
current
one
has
moved
on,
which
is
great
alfonso
reyes,
very
well,
a
great
engineer,
and
it's
moved
on
to
help
out
mark
verbatic
here.
B
B
No,
not
you
were
very
concise,
but
I
think,
if
we're
ready
to
vote,
we
can
vote
and
then
we
could
discuss
further
if
there's
any
other
questions.
Okay,
so
the
resolutions
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor.
B
C
And
so
mayor,
just
to
affirm
that
the
resolution
passed
as
well.
The
work
plan
assessment
right.
B
C
And
just
to
confirm
in
case
there's
anyone
watching
that
the
comments
by
weaker
and
the
other
comment
that
was
discussed
I'll
definitely
follow
up
directly
with
each
of
the
individuals
who
commented
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
get
on
the
work
plan.
Somehow.
B
B
So
next
is
the
resolution
for
the
artwork
to
be
placed
on
the
black
diamond
trail
or
at
the
trail
had
at
any
rate,
would
anyone
like
to
move
this
resolution
moved
by
rob?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
marshall,
discussion,
questions.
A
I
can
scroll
down
if
anyone
wants.
I
don't
think
I
can
fit
the
whole
thing
on
the
screen.
Maybe
I
can.
B
H
Well,
I
think
a
tree
is
an
attractive
nuisance
and
I'm
not
trying
to
belittle
the
thought
that
kids
might
climb
on
it
and
stuff,
but
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
things
like
that.
That
could,
potentially
I
mean
even
the
the
the
monuments
in
the
middle
of
dewitt
park
could
be
an
attractive
nuisance
as
well,
when
kids
want
to
do
something
they're
going
to
do
something,
so
I
don't
think
we
should
deny
our
community
sculptures
like
this,
just
because
they
could
potentially
have
kids
climbing
on
them.
Anyway,
that's
just
my
opinion,
so.
B
Yeah
any
other
discussion,
yes,
marshall.
I
I
am
I
sorry
I
was
just
looking
at
this.
I'm
distracted
by
the
other
locations
we're
talking
about
the
black
diamond
location.
Is
that
correct
at
first
I'd
liked
where
it
was
going
to
be,
which
was
over
close
to
the
inlet
and
now
with
the
proximity
of
the
black
slime
black
diamond
trail?
I
think
this
is
sort
of
a
great
marker.
For
this
being
a
a
terrific
route
that
is
can
in
part,
be
used
for
bikes.
Amen
was
just
used
for
the
aids
ride.
I
think
it
was
this
last
weekend.
I
B
B
And
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
garrick.
We
understand
if
you've
got
to
turn
your
full
attention
to
the
planning
board.
G
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
yeah,
they're
they're,
moving
towards
the
final
vote
in
some
of
the
last
arguments.
So,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
going
to
sign
off
bpw
and
focus
on
on
that.
If
it's
okay.
B
G
B
Okay,
so
let's
jump
back
up
and
I'll
ask
just
one
more
time
if
there,
if
there
were
any
questions
about
the
work
plan,
this
the
cyber
work
plan,
you
know,
I
I
know
it's
it's
a
problem,
we're
seeing
all
over
the
city
all
over
the
country
with
rising
construction
costs
because
of
both
labor
shortages
and
and
materials
costs
inflating.
D
Well
john
john
asked
cynthia
and
I
to
help
him
talk
with
a
a
homeowner
that
was
unhappy
with
the
sidewalk
going
past
their
house
on
giles
street,
and
I
was
not
able
to
make
that
meeting.
I
just
wondered
how
that
that
ended
up
is
john
still
here.
D
B
You,
okay,
then
we
can
move
now
to
our
discussion
items,
including
the
proposed
street
name.
Changes
for
carpenter
circle.
E
Yeah,
I
think
so
so
in
accordance
with
the
city
code,
the
board's
supposed
to
approve
new
street
names,
and
we
have
a
request
from
the
cuega
park
or
carpenter
business
park,
as
you
might
have
thought
of
it:
a
development
project,
that's
looking
to
rename
carpenter
business
park,
road
and
consideration
of
potentially
renaming
some
of
the
other
streets
here,
fifth
street,
being
probably
the
next
kind
of
most
important
and
they've
labeled
two
here
that
kind
of
go
through
the
parking
lots
as
consideration
about
whether
those
ought
to
have
separate
designations
or
names
as
well.
E
So
they've
listed
those
as
kyuga
circle,
north
and
kyuga
circle
south.
So
we
thought
we'd
bring
it
for
discussion
first.
You
know,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
concern
from
dpw
staff
about
going
with
cuga
park.
Lane
5th
street
extension
seems
fine.
If
the
city
was
to
approve
making
that
a
four-way
intersection,
it
might
make
more
sense
to
just
call
it
fifth
street
and
not
use
the
word
extension
in
it.
H
H
This
kind
of
stuff
drives
me
crazy,
but
you
know
I'm
willing
to
let
it
go,
but
I
would
definitely
distinguish
circle
north
and
circle
south,
just
as
parking
and
I'm
assuming
that
if
we
call
that
fifth
street
extension-
and
we
at
some
point
do
create
a
four-way
intersection
there,
we
can
just
rename
that
part
of
fifth
street
right
and
just.
E
Cross
them
we
certainly
can
across
that
street
when
we
get
to
it.
Is
that
what
you're
gonna
say?
Sorry.
E
Yeah
and
I
mean
as
they've
labeled
their
buildings-
it's
not
like,
they
were
planning
on
labeling
one
of
those
buildings
in
the
middle
with
a
fifth
street
address,
so
changing
the
name
of
it
would
probably
not
have
much
impact
at
all.
So
I
think
that's
probably
fine.
If
we
want
to
go
with
extension
now
and
consider
changing
it
later,
should
we
get
there.
B
Yeah,
I'm
also
I'm
I'm
fine
with
it.
I
mean
it's
their
development,
so
whatever
name
they
choose
but
like
rob,
I
find
it
both
bland,
I
mean,
and
it
just
strikes
me
as
a
suburban
thing
of
nate.
You
know
it's
like
dear
metal
run
and
then
you
show
up
and
I
don't
see
any
deer
or
any
meadow
and
there's
no
running,
and
you
know
the
names
just
seemed
that
I
mean
hugo.
I
guess
the
lake
is
right
there,
but,
but
you
know
we
already
have
a
cube
street
anyway.
B
I
I
don't
see
any
reason
asked
to
continue
being
carpenter
business
park
and
these
names
seem
fine.
I
would
agree
with
with
your
thoughts
on
cuba
circle,
because
I
don't
see
the
possibility
that
there
will
be
houses.
I
mean
there's
not
going
to
be
housing
on
that
side
right.
So
there's
no
need
to
have
addresses
on
that
side,
and
if
it's
just
a
driveway,
then
then
why
name
it
george?
Did
you
have
here.
D
D
D
D
That's
a
good
question.
I
I
don't
know
I
probably
not
who's
the
famous
first
baseman
for
the
yankees,
whose
name
I'm
who
died
of
luke,
oh
lou,
gehrig,
yeah,
lou,
gehrig,
hit
home,
runs
it
at
cornell
when
he
was
playing
for
columbia.
So
maybe
we
could
call
it
lou
gehrig
boulevard,
legend.
B
Which
would
have
made
like
550
foot
long
home
runs
anyway?
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
pass
those
suggestions
back
to
the
developer
or
just
the
suggestion
that,
like
you.
A
D
J
B
F
F
Immediate
reaction
was,
I
there's
no
context
here.
I
I
actually
in
looking
at
the
map.
It
doesn't
it's
just
none
of
it
really
makes
sense
to
me.
So
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
don't
know.
If
we're
supposed
to
have
such
an
opini,
you
know
like
a
stark
opinion
about
it,
but.
F
B
Yeah
yeah,
it
seems
odd,
to
say
from
a
commit,
is
part
of
the
problem
with
public
art.
Traditionally.
Is
that
if
you
ask
a
committee
to
design
something
you
end
up
with
the
blandest
design,
it
does
seem
like.
Maybe
they
had
a
committee
design
these
names,
and
here
we
are
another
committee
telling
them
to
be
more
creative,
but
yeah.
B
B
You
know.
So
if
it's
like,
like
oak
bluffs,
yeah,
exactly.
H
So
maybe
we
can
just
suggest
that
they
look
at
history
or
something
contextual
and
just
don't
even
use
the
word
cayuga,
because
we
already
have
a
cayuga
street
and
there's
always
this
problem
of
streets
having
similar
names
which,
as
far
as
I
know,
the
fire
department
doesn't
necessarily
like
and
everything's
cayuga
like
come
on,
there's
got
to
be
a
famous
person
or
something-
and
I
know
with
them
planning
I
mean
they're,
very
intelligent
people
and
they're
very
tied
into
history
and
and
all
that
sort
of
thing,
so
going
back
to
the
drawing
board
would
be
nice.
H
B
C
E
How
about
we
do
this?
How
about
we
prepare
resolution
for
next
month?
We
can
either
put
these
names
in
or
kind
of
leave
them.
Blank
I'll
convey
the
interest
in
getting
some
slightly
different
names,
maybe
something
more
creative
or
more
contextual,
there's
a
good
chance
that
one
or
two
of
the
project
staff
are
actually
watching
this
right
now,
so
they
may
be
hearing
our
conversation
and
we'll
see
if
they
want
to
stick
with
that
or
come
back
with
something
else
and
we'll
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
next
month
for
a
vote.
E
B
Appreciate
it
awesome
brings
us
scroll
down
here.
B
A
B
Sweeper,
yes
great
so
mike,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
set
it
up,
and
I
appreciate
mark
being
here
to
discuss
it,
but
the
the
topic
one
of
the
council
members
has
come
up
many
times
over
the
years.
But
a
council
member
asked
that
we
we
re-examine
it
and
it's
about
street
sweeper
noise.
A
Yeah,
so
I
yeah,
I
I
put
this
email
up
because
I
think
it
shows
that
we
kind
of
have
limited
options.
There
is
an
option,
of
course
that
we
can
try,
but
you
know
I
also
just
want
to
state
that,
no
matter
what
we
do,
we
get
a
complaint,
we'll
get
complaint
that
the
road
has
too
many
potholes
or
it's
too
rough.
And
then,
when
we'll
go
to
repave
it,
we
get
complaints
that
we're
repaying
it.
A
So
you
know
when
I
got
this
email
you
know
I
I
do
spend
some
time
looking
to
see
how
other
municipalities
handle
these
type
of
complaints,
and
this
is
a
common
one.
A
A
I'm
sure
it
is,
but
most
dpws
have
figured
out
that
this
is
the
time
to
take
advantage
of
the
low
traffic,
and
you
know,
we've
been
doing
this
for
decades.
Other
dpws
have
been
doing
it
for
decades,
so
I
I
sense
that
over
time,
things
sort
of
turn
out
the
way
they
that
they
are
right
now
for
a
reason.
Maybe
this
is
the
way
that
gets
the
least
number
of
complaints.
A
I'm
not
sure
I
think
we've
been
doing
it
early
morning
ever
since
I've
been
superintendent,
but
anyway
I
did
list
a
few
options
for
graham
one
is.
We
could
try
and
find
a
quieter
sweeper
and
I'll
bring
mark
into
the
conversation
in
just
a
minute.
I'm
not
sure
that
there
are
quieter
sweepers
or
if
they
are
quieter,
they
might
only
be
a
couple
decibels
less
than
the
one
that
we
have
now.
So
I'm
not
sure.
A
If
that's
going
to
reduce
the
number
of
complaints,
we
could
reduce
the
frequency
of
street
sweeping,
but
the
street
sweeper
is
there
for
a
purpose.
If
we
reduce
street
sweeping
what
that
means,
is
we
get
more
stuff
into
our
storm
drains?
A
There's
more
maintenance
costs
for
our
storm
system
and
there's
more
stuff
that
gets
in
the
creek
in
the
lakes
and
then
the
third
option,
which
you
know
I'm
willing
to
try,
but
we
may
get
some
other
we
may
get
different
type
of
complaints,
is
to
try
switching
to
daytime
hours
and
you
know,
but
maybe
limit
the
maybe
put
it
on
a
trial
basis.
A
A
So
we
may
get
different
kinds
of
complaints,
but
anyway
mark
I
put
those
options
in
there.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
more
to
say
or
if
there's
a
fourth
option
or
I'll
leave
it
to
you.
J
A
J
Think
no
mike,
I
think
those
are
the
three
options
and
I
know
it's
been
going
on
for
years
prior
to
even
you
being
here
and,
as
my
predecessor
always
says,
the
complaints,
at
least
I
know
they're
working
at
that
hour
and
not
hiding
behind
the
building.
J
But
in
looking
at
the
gps
history
of
some
of
the
sweepers
and
the
complaints
and
stuff
a
lot
of
times
he
gets
in
around
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
that
sweeper
doesn't
leave
till
about
little
quarter
after
so
after
he's
done
his
track
on
the
machinery
and
he's
usually
hitting
green
street
senator
in
the
downtown
area
within
the
first
two
hours
so
from
3
30
to
about
5
30
he's
in
the
business
district
and
then
he
starts
meandering
out
to
different
sectors
of
the
city
depending
on
the
day
or
you
know,
at
any
given
time,
he'll
go
up
in
the
college.
J
Town
he'll
go,
do
meadow
he'll
do
fulton
he'll,
do
89,
79
and
stuff
like
that.
So
then
he'll
start
hitting
into
the
interior
of
the
city
and
he
tries
to
stay
away
from
the
heavy
residential
areas.
Besides
green
and
seneca
that
are
heavy
trafficked,
not
until
about
five
or
six
o'clock
in
the
morning-
and
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
those
complaints
are
coming
is
around
five
or
six
or
so.
I
It
seems
like
of
the
three
options
that
are
there:
the
the
only
realistic
one
is
the
third
and
mark,
just
as
you
were
saying
it
seemed
like
there
were
only
certain
places
where
we'd
be
able
to
move
to
daytime
sweeping
being
downtown
areas
where
cars
are
coming
in
and
parking.
I
We
won't
anytime
after
say,
eight
or
nine.
We
aren't
going
to
get
sweepers
against
the
curb
in
those
places.
So
there's
some
areas.
It
seems
like
where
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that
right.
So
I.
I
Be
open
to
exploring
doing
daytime
so
much
that
we
can
still
do
the
downtown
early
on,
but
I
I
agree,
I
think
we're
just
going
to
get
lots
of
different
complaints.
I
just
started
googling
if
there's
like
an
academic
article
on
on
whether
or
not
day
versus
night
increases
the
accidents
with
street
sweepers,
like
the
likelihood
of
a
crash
with
another
car,
probably
not
insignificantly
greater,
if
they're
to
be
working
during
the
day,
so
I'd
be
concerned,
increase
costs
and
accidents
around
that.
F
F
There
are
times
living
up
here
on
mitchell
street,
where
I
literally
feel
like
I'm
surrounded
by
the
sweet
sweeper
for
hours
on
end
so
so
mark.
I
believe
you,
I
believe
the
data
is
what
it
is,
but
there
are
definitely
times
when
I'm
like
wow.
It
just
feels
like
they're
sweeping
the
streets
for
like
four
hours
straight
now,
I'm
probably
exaggerating
so
I
I
and
I
know
I've
talked
to
donna
about
this
as
well.
So
you
know,
I
think
the
and
I
was
trying
to
think
like
well.
F
F
You
know
on
one
street
on
tuesdays
between
8
and
10
a.m,
which
you
know
it's
a
complicated
solution,
but
you
know
it's,
it's
probably
not
terrible
in
that.
We
would
probably
get
a
lot
more
car
movement
out
of
off
the
streets
if
we
went
to
a
model
like
that,
maybe
a
little
bit
so
I
offer.
A
F
As
the
a
potential
option
as
well-
but
I
do
feel
like
there
is
something
to
like
if
you're
you're,
where
my
house
is
and
you're
surrounded
by
all
these
other
houses,
you
can
hear
that
street
sweeper,
like
I
can
hear
it
on
brandon
place.
I
can
hear
it
over
I'm
pointing
because
I'm
over
in
college
town
up
on
delaware
and
whatnot.
You
know
it's
it's
definitely
loud.
It's
sort
of
similar
to
this.
You
know
sort
of
my
comment
to
mike
about
the
the
lights
being
too
bright.
F
You
know
it's
it's
it's!
It's
noise
pollution!
It's
pollution,
light
pollution.
That
kind
of
thing,
so
I
I'd
like
to
see
if
there
was
a
way
to
you
know,
maybe
bump
up
the
residential
hours
to
try
it
and
see
if
it
works.
But
I
do
recognize,
there's
complication
to
that,
because
then
cars
you
know,
maybe
maybe
we
need
to
think
about
like
moving
the
cars
out
a
little
bit.
Maybe
that's
not
terrible.
I
don't
know.
F
Or
just
or
just
say,
hey,
you
know:
delaware,
ave
is
gonna,
be
swept
every
tuesday
at
you
know,
8
am
so
you
know
your
car
needs
to
be
moved
right.
You
know
similar,
I'm
pretty
sure
in
new
york
city.
D
F
A
You're
saying
move
the
cars
so
that
the
street
sweeper
is
more
effective
or.
F
So
this
is
anecdotal.
I
know
I've
been
to
new
york
city
visiting
my
cousin
and
there's
a
a
time
period
when
they
sweep
that
street
every
day.
It's
the
same
time
between
8
and
10,
or
ten
and
twelve
right,
and
so
you
can't
park
there
legally
between
eight
and
ten
ten
and
twelve,
whatever
the
number
is,
and
so,
if
I'm
proposing
that
as
a
way
to
potentially
alleviate
the
the
congregation
of
parked
cars
which
would
prevent
you
know
sort
of
a
decent
sweeping
job.
A
I
think
we
do
the
the
we
try
to
clear
the
streets.
I
know
we
do
that
in
the
springtime
mark
kind
of
a
deep
cleaning
of
the
street.
I
was
I
happened
to
be
following
the
street
sweeper
for
about
15
minutes
this
morning.
You
know,
and
I
watched
him
go
in
and
out
of
parked
cars
and
as
he
was
moving
along,
he
couldn't
get
the
curb
right
where
the
cars
were
parked.
A
A
You
know
we
have
such
a
difficult
time
without
even
parking
or
you
know,
creating
the
tow
away
zones
and
everything
like
that.
I
I'm
not
sure
that's
gonna
make
people
happier,
you
know
telling
them
to
move
to
one
side
of
the
street.
You
know
one
day
per
week.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
big
task
trying
to
get
that
to
work.
H
Yeah
I
so
I'm
recalling
that
a
few
years
ago
I
think
it
was
kevin
sutherland
who
was
working
with
a
team
that
came
up
with
just
that
kind
of
thing
where
certain
blocks
of
certain
streets
would
be
closed
on
certain
days,
all
day
no
parking,
and
then
we
would
never
have
to
place
the
signs
again.
We
wouldn't
have
to
worry
about
snow
removal.
H
There
would
always
be
enough
work
to
do
during
the
day,
because
I
think
the
theory
was
if
one-fifth
of
all
the
streets
of
the
city
were
closed
or
you
couldn't
park
on
them
that
the
maintenance
could
be
done
on
a
regular
basis
without
dpw
having
to
go
and
put
the
little
signs
out
and
then
do
the
towing
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
thought
it
was
a
brilliant
idea
and
then
a
lot
of
folks
said
well,
you
know
you're
going
to
cut
down
on
the
amount
of
parking
but
odd,
even
parking
cuts.
H
B
J
No,
I'm
I'm
muted,
still,
okay
yeah.
I
think
they
all
have
very
interesting
ideas.
J
I
would
be
curious
to
see
them
in
action
because,
like
in
a
couple
more
months,
we'll
be
doing
nighttime
sweeping
with
a
night
crew,
and
but
that
goes
up
until
when
it
freezes
and
then
the
the
machine
does
not
go
out
again
because
in
freezing
weather
we're
done
so
that
and
that's
why,
in
the
spring
we
do
our
deep
cleaning
is
because,
most
likely
in
january
february
and
march,
hopefully
majority
of
march,
we
don't
sweep
at
all,
so
the
temperatures
are
just
below
freezing
and
it
just
wrecks
the
machine.
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
I
mean.
I
agree
that
it's
a
real
problem.
It
does
seem
like
we're
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place,
because
you
want
to
get
it
done
when
there's
the
least
amount
of
obstruction,
and
it
is
a
real
quality
of
life
issue.
You
know
early
morning
late
at
night,
so
I
wonder-
and
you
know
rob
you're
right
about
that-
that
scheme
we
could
never
build
popular
support
for
it
before,
because
I
think
it
was
the
unpredictability
you
know
like.
B
An
even
harder
time
now
that
we
suspend
not
even
parking
until
we
need
it,
because
so
it's
it's
not
running
half
the
year
like
it
used
to
before
I.
I
wonder
if
this
would
be
worth
getting
some
folks
who
are
really
motivated
to
to
spend
some
time
in
like
a
working
group,
even
if
it's
just
researching
other
communities
and
what
they
do
well,
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
you
know,
if
there's
other
folks
who've
had
to
to
tackle
this,
so
I
wonder,
if
maybe
graham
graham
certainly
seemed
motivated.
J
B
You
can
get
together
via
zoom
and
just
do
some
deeper
thinking
and
exploring
with
our
staff
what
our
options
are.
B
Yeah,
because
I'm
I
am
I'm
reluctant
to
rush
headlong
into
because
what
mike
said
at
the
top
of
this
discussion
is,
you
know
often
times
you
are
where
you
are,
because
everything
else
didn't
work,
so
I
don't
want
to
just
change
it
and
find
out
that
that
doesn't
work.
But
but
you
know
if
this
is
a
real
gordian's,
not
maybe
some
someone
somewhere's
found
a
way
to
cut
through
it.
If
we
could
steal
that
approach,
then
then
we
should.
F
Join
that
mayor-
and
I
also
I
I
want
to
emphasize
that
roth's
point-
that
it
doesn't
just
solve
a
street
sweeping
issue
that
we're
talking
about
here.
It
also
gets
into
snow
removal,
which
you
know
we
all
know,
is
a
big
challenge
and
we're,
I
think,
it's
a
fair
point
to
say
we're
likely
to
see
much
more
unpredictable
and
heavier
precipitation
events,
and
so
it's
it's
worth
sort
of
thinking
about.
You
know
if
we
need
to
clear
streets
for
whatever
reason
you
know
we
have
a
mechanism
to
do
that.
F
I
also
feel
like
that.
You
know
the
the
other
point,
that's
important
here
and
it's
an
education
point.
You
know
we'll
get
past
that
you
know
eventually
yeah.
It
may
be
rough,
but
right
we'll
get
in
half.
D
Thanks
cevante,
this
has
probably
been
considered
by
dpw
already,
but
one
suggestion
I
would
suggest
is
what,
if
we
tweaked
the
starting
time
just
a
little
bit
like
started,
even
a
half
an
hour
later,
would
that
allow
us
still
to
get
through
these
areas
before
people
start
parking
in
them
and
maybe
cut
down
slightly
on
the
number
of
complaints?
Because
it's
early
morning,
if
we
just
started
a
touch
later,
yeah.
B
Yeah
so
mark,
would
you
be
willing
to
to
coordinate
a
follow-up
discussion
with
rob
and
jonathan
and
graham
and
put
our
heads
together,
see
what
other
creative
ideas
are
out
there?
So
I
like
that,
even
when
george
just
suggested
starting
a
little
bit
later,
you
know,
might
help.
J
H
One
question
spontaneous
was
that
was
that
street
closure
plan
is
that
documented
somewhere.
B
H
Okay,
because
if
it
could
be
forwarded
via
email
to
us,
I'd
really
like
to
take
a
close
look
at
it.
B
Okay,
great
well
anything
else
in
oh
here's!
Actually,
the
article.
A
Of
you,
let
you
share
this
screen.
B
B
But
I
will
find
I
will
find
the
actual
plan
and
make
sure
to
email
that
out
to
everybody
cool,
well
that
actually
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
business
today.
Unless
I'm
missing
anything
anything
I
don't
see,
I
don't
see
anything.
I.
D
Have
something
I'd
like
to
include?
If
that's,
okay,
sure
george
god
thanks,
I
I'm
sorry
to
extend
the
meeting,
but
I
I've
been
getting
a
number
of
emails
from
various
neighborhoods
in
my
ward
about
the
new
street
lights,
and
I
so
I
sent
out
a
email
to
all
the
listservs
asking
people's
reactions
to
the
new
street
lights
in
their
neighborhoods,
and
I
got
a
a
really
big
response.
I
bet
I
got
25
or
30
responses,
some
of
which
were
were
definitely
positive.
D
D
I
talked
to
mike
yesterday
about
this
and
he
pointed
out
that
this
is
all
new
and
people
are
still
getting
used
to
it,
and
I
I
agree
with
him,
and
he
also
said
that
you
know
we
can't
go
fine-tuning
every
single
street
light
according
to
that
neighbor's
preferences,
and
I
totally
understand
that
one
option
he
talked
about
is
that
these
street
lights
can
be
dimmed,
10
or
20
percent.
I
don't
know
if
they
can
be
done
more
than
that,
but
that
might
be
a
possibility
of
something
we
can
do.
D
D
D
E
B
Yeah,
I
was,
I
doesn't
sound
familiar
which
I've
I've
pounded.
All
this
pavement.
B
See
yeah
so
thanks
so
thoughts,
discussion.
A
Well,
I
think
john
and
marshall
had
some
comments.
I
can,
I
can
kind
of
speak
to
her.
Okay,
all
right
a
number
of
things,
but
we
have
john
and
marshall.
F
Yeah,
I
you
know
one
of
the
and.
D
J
F
If
this
is
entirely
true,
but
I
know
up
on
on
mitchell
where
I
live
it's
you
know,
a
good
portion
of
that
street
is
is
lit
up
at.
F
F
So
but
I
I
wonder,
if
there's
a
way
if
they
can
be
dimmed
where
we
could
actually
like
see
what
the
difference
is
because
part
of
one
of
the
issues
might
be
the
concentration
of
street
lights,
like
there's
a
lot
of
street
lights
on
on
on
mitchell,
and
there
may
be
other
streets
where
there's
maybe
one
and
and
not
another
one,
and
so
you
sort
of
have
this-
you
potentially
have
this
kind
of
cumulative
effect,
whereas
one
street
light
might
may
or
may
not
be
or
it
may
be.
F
Okay,
it's
not
all
that
bright
because
it's
surrounded
by
darkness,
so
there's
a
perception
there.
But
if
you've
got
a
lot
of
light
all
in
a
row
all
of
a
sudden
you're,
you
know
kind
of
awash
with
light.
So
so
I
wonder
if
the
concentration
is
an
issue,
and
I
because
mike
I
do
believe
you,
I
think
it's
it's
important
to
get
used
to
it,
but
I
felt
this
way
when
we
have
the
other
lights.
I
just
assumed
that
you
couldn't
turn
them
off.
F
So
I
wonder,
if
maybe
you
could
we
could
do
like
a
demo
and
just
be
like
okay,
we're
gonna
do
one
at
10
percent
and
one
at
20
and
kind
of
see
what
it
looks
like
so
that
you
know
folks
have
a
chance
to
get
a
sense
for
it.
A
Well,
john
I'll
answer
that,
but
let's
hear
from
marshall
also
and
then
I
can
respond
to
a
lot
of
these
comments
so.
I
I
had
a
similar
experience
when
we
I
was
shocked
when
our
light
went
in,
and
I
I
reached
out
to
some
people
and
some
people
thought
it
was
great.
Some
people
also
disliked
the
new
lights
and
then
it
was
brought
up,
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
take
some
time
and
to
get
in
to
have
people
get
used
to
it,
but
if
there
should
be
an
end
date
or
an
end
time
where
okay
we've
had
enough
time
has
passed.
I
If
we're,
if
people
are
still
complaining,
then
then
we
should
try
to
do
something
about
it.
Maybe
we've
reached
that.
Maybe
not
I
don't
know
what
that
date
is,
but
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
to
at
some
point
if
we
were
continuing
to
get
these
is
to
do
some
experimentation,
and
so
I
I'd
be
thrilled
to
hear
similar
what
jonathan
was
asking
the
other
piece
to
it
was.
I
I
remember
hearing
that
there
were
like
blinders
or
little
walls
you
could
put
around
them
so
that
it
doesn't
reflect
out
as
much
as
it
does
down.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
work
to
go
around
and
put
all
those
on
each
individual
streetlight,
and
so
I
feel,
like
we'd,
have
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
criteria
to
to
do
these
things,
but
at
the
same
time,
that's
kind
of
why
we
got
these
lights
is
because
they
are
things
that
we
can
change
and
tweak
to
them.
A
Right,
let
me
so
valid
points
and
we
we've
thought
about
the
you
know
some
of
the
situations
that
we
might
run
into
so
point
talk
to
george's
point.
First,
what
george
and
I
talked
about
last
night
is,
I
said:
yes,
we
can
dim
things
and
we
can
put
shades
on
them.
A
What
I'm
afraid
of
is
that
right
now,
especially
on
west
hill,
west
hill
was
the
last
hill
to
really
get
the
led
lights
and
so
we're
probably
getting
a
few
more
complaints
on
west
hill
than
we
got
on
others.
A
What
I'm
afraid
of
is
that,
if,
if
we
dim
somebody's
light
and
they
get
on,
you
know
they,
they
tell
all
their
neighbors
that
hey.
I
asked
the
city
to
dim
my
light
and
they
came
right
out
and
did
it
and
all
of
a
sudden
we
have
500
hands,
piled
up
and
say
hey.
A
We
want
our
light
stem
too,
and
so
one
of
the
or
a
couple
of
the
challenges
here
is:
how
do
we
be
objective
about
this,
and
how
do
we
prevent
you
know
500
custom
adjusted
street
lights,
you
know
from
coming
in
or
those
type
of
requests.
So
one
of
the
things,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about-
I've
been
talking
with
our
electrician
and
tim,
and
I
have
had
these
conversations
mark
and
I
have
had
these
conversations
as
well.
A
A
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
wait
through
the
winter
and
see
how
many
complaints
we
get.
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
concentration
of
complaints
so
to
john's
point.
You
know
there
might
be
some
areas
that
are
just
too
bright.
You
know
simply
because
there's
too
many
concentration
of
lights.
A
A
The
shades
or
the
the
shields
are
a
little
bit
more
expensive.
We
would
have
to
order
those-
and
you
know
they're,
not
super
expensive,
but
I
think
the
the
challenge
after
talking
to
our
electrician
is
that
you
put
those
on
and
then
there's
some
adjustment
that
needs
to
be
done
at
night.
So
there's
some
logistical
challenges
with
that
too.
A
B
So
yeah
marshall.
I
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
didn't
even
think
about
the
increase
of
complaints
once
the
leaves
are
gone
in
the
winter
and
probably
reflecting
off
the
snow
too.
That
might
be
a
bit
of
it.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
cropped
up.
I
also
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
see
sort
of
map
the
complaints
and
see
where
they
are
and
where
they
make
sense.
I
What
concerns
me
is
that
we,
I
haven't
seen
any
way
that
we
have
a
cohesive
way
to
to
track
those,
and
so
maybe
it
would
make
sense
to
have
something
on
the
city's
website.
In
some
ways
I
don't
want
to
attract
complaints,
but
at
the
same
time
I
want
to
be
able
to
to
collect
them
cohesively.
So
we
can
get
a
really
good
sense
of
that.
A
Yeah
and
marshall-
that's
a
great
idea,
that's
that's
kind
of
along
our
lines
of
thinking.
One
thing
I
forgot
to
mention-
and
this
is
another
factor
that
comes
into
play-
is
the
streetlight
contractor-
is
not
complete
yet
so
we
want
to.
We
want
to
sort
of
close
out
that
contract.
A
First
again,
because
we
we've
seen
this
before
when
we
put
in
a
led
light,
we'll
get
some
complaints
and
then
the
complaints
die
down,
and
so
the
the
idea
of
putting
it
on
a
website
is
interesting,
because
I
think
it
would
invite
a
number
of
complaints,
but
it
would
also
be
a
lot
more
interactive
and
the
our
thinking
about
that
early
on
was
to
put
easier
tags
on
the
light
posts,
so
that,
if
somebody
does
have
a
complaint
about
a
light,
they
can
easily
go
out
to
the
light
post.
A
I
think
that
might
invite
the
you
know
numerous
special
requests.
I
A
I
One
thought
in
conjunction
with
that
is
that
the
other
piece,
I
think
that
it
would
help
is
that
right
now,
if,
if
I'm
the
email
mark
right
like
somebody
who
might
not
even
be
like
the
pr
or
eric
hathaway
like
somebody,
who's
not
even
related
to
to
the
like
putting
in
the
street
lights
or
it's
not
their
job,
I
get
a
response.
Like
oh
go,
get
the
number
for
me,
and
then
I
get
the
number
for
them.
I
send
it
back
to
them.
I
I
B
Yeah
I
like
using
the
I
I
think
we
should
add
a
tag
to
the
reporter
problem
website
and
that
way
when
complaints
roll
in
organically
to
council,
members
or
bpw
members
or
to
the
department,
we
can
all
just
stay,
trying
to
track
those
complaints
to
see
if
we
should
adjust
the
lights
head
on
over
to
the
website
and
use
the
reporter
concern
tool
and
that
way,
it's
not
like
we've
created
a
whole
new
page
that
says:
hey
everybody
come
you
know,
complain
about
the
lights,
but
it's
an
option
there
for
folks.
F
I
all
good
ideas.
I
I
guess
one
point
mike:
if
some
of
the
light
posts
haven't
actually
been
fully
implemented,
I
I
guess,
what's
the
harm
in
actually
picking
a
couple
and
saying
this
one's
a
10
10
reduction,
this
one's
at
20
reduction,
whatever
like
just
so
like
you
know,
if
you
do
get
complaints,
you
can
say:
okay!
Well,
here's!
F
F
You
know.
Residents
like
myself
could
just
kind
of
take
a
look
and
be
like.
Oh
and
and
at
least
so
we
have
something
to
kind
of
kind
of
compare
it
to,
because
I
feel
like
it
just
feels
like
we
could
be
a
little
bit
more
proactive
than
just
waiting
until
the
until
the
spring
and
whatnot
and
waiting
for
people
to
complain
more
as
a
you
know,
it
would
give
us
it
would
give
the
city
the
ability
to
say
okay.
F
A
A
We're
gonna
have
to
make
sure
that
the
I
don't
know
it's
it's
a
program
that
I
certainly
don't
have
time
to
jump
into
right
at
the
moment,
I
was
hoping
that
over
maybe
a
six-month
period,
we
can
kind
of
figure
some
of
these
things
out
sort
of
see
what
type
of
complaints
if
the
complaints
start
dying
down,
that
sort
of
thing
it's
just
I'm
not
sure
I
want
to
just
I'm
not
sure
we
have
the
capacity
to
just
jump
into
you
know
creating
this
whole
new
system
right
now,
so.
F
F
Really
understand
what
it
is
to
go
around
and
and
switch
the
to
dim
a
light.
So
maybe
I'm
underestimating
what
it
takes
to
do
that
so
and
that's
fair,
but
if
lights
haven't
gone
up
fully
or
aren't
fully
operational
or
aren't
fully
converted
to
the
led
system.
I
would
think
that
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
say
to
the
contractor.
Hey
put
this
one
at
90
percent.
Put
this
one
at
you
know
and
pick
some
arbitrary
points,
but
again,
maybe
I'm
being
nice.
In
that
sense,
I'm
not
saying
you
need
to
do
that
everywhere.
D
Yes,
george
yeah
thanks
devonte.
I
I
agree
with
mike
that
we
we
can't
make
this
too
labor-intensive,
but
one
thing
that
may
help
is,
I
mean
the
lights
are
two
different
intensities:
the
the
main
street
lights.
The
the
state
routes
like
79,
aurora
street,
south
aurora
street
east
state
street
all
have
a
higher
powered
light
and
the
residential
streets
have
a
lower
powered
light.
D
I
did
a
ride
around
last
night,
I
was
on
columbia
street
on
south
hill,
where
I
had
most
of
my
complaints
were
on
south
hill
and
there
was
one
or
two
street
lights
that
are
still
out,
and
then
there
was
one
in
the
middle
of
the
street
that
looked
like
one
of
the
high-powered
new
lights.
D
The
other
thing
I
noticed
was
that
in
some
residential
neighborhoods,
the
light
on
a
corner
seemed
to
be
much
brighter
than
the
lights
further
down
the
street,
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
because
nice
egg
did
it
that
way
and
we're
just
matching
what
nice
egg
did
or
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
make
adjustments
that
way.
A
D
Thinking
hawthorne
place
in
particular
corner
hawthorne
place
in
hawthorne
circle.
It's
it's
a
much
brighter
light
than
the
lights
all
around.
It.
A
So
one
of
my
concerns
with
just
saying
hey:
we
should
you
know,
do
this,
you
know
just
dim
them
as
we
install
them.
I
mean
right
now.
Most
of
the
lights
are
40
watt
lights.
If
we
had
decided
50
watt
lights,
we
would
put
50
watt
lights
in.
We
could
have
dimmed
them
down
to
40
and
people
would
have
said
hey
great
to
dim
down
to
40..
You
know
I
I
yeah.
A
A
You
know,
there's
no
doubt
about
that,
but
I
imagine
when
street
lights
first
started
lighting
up
cities
of
america,
people
were
complaining,
you
know
so
it's
I
don't
know
I.
I
would
really
like
to
just
give
this
a
little
bit
of
time
before
we
come
up
with
some
sort
of
objective
process
to
deal
with.
B
D
B
E
Be
anything-
and
I
think
you
know
mike's
point
is
we
can
look
at
these.
We
just
don't
have
the
staff
capacity
to
go.
Look
at
600
lights,
you
know
in
the
next
three
weeks
and
make
it
a
big
changes
for
the
fall
and
slowly
but
steadily.
You
know
we
like.
We
know
we
replaced
lamps
where
they
were
over
time.
We
can
be
more
specific
with
how
streets
are
lit,
but
that
takes
time
and
that
takes
some
money
to
move
things
around
and
adjust.
Maybe
we
have
too
many
lights
on
the
street.
E
Maybe
we
don't
have
enough.
Maybe
we
don't
even
know
what
streets
we
own
and
we
need
to
get
a
light
up
there.
Somehow,
and
so
there's
like
lots
of
parameters.
It's
just
the
first
big
step
was
re-lamp
the
city
get
to
the
lower
energy
costs.
I
think
we
picked
the
right
lights.
I
think
they're
a
good
choice,
but
we'll
definitely
have
some
fine
tuning
over
the
years
to
come.
B
Yeah-
and
I
I
we
certainly
don't
have-
and
this
is
where
I
think
it'll
be
important-
to
track
the
complaints
so
that
we
can
see
what's
actually
a
problem
area,
because
what
we
certainly
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
is
go
to
the
600
block
of
north
korea,
because
the
folks
at
602,
north
korea,
think
they're
too
bright,
turn
them
down
and
then
folks
at
606
say
it's
too
dark.
You
turn
it
back
up
and
then
the
focus
605
say
actually
I
want
it
somewhere
in
the
middle
and
then
we're
bouncing
back
and
forth.
B
A
Yeah
and-
and
the
one
thing
too
is
this-
is
all
still
new
to
us,
so
the
the
street
light
tracker
system.
It's
been
up
on
the
website
for
a
few
months,
but
you
know
we
have
one
electrician.
I
think
we
just
hired
an
electrical
technician.
So
john
has
some
help.
A
Now
we're
still
trying
to
sort
of
navigate
this
landscape,
nice
egg
used
to
get
all
the
complaints
we've
inherited
all
that,
and
so
we
think
we're
going
to
do
much
better
than
I
said,
but
we
have
to
absorb
this
a
little
bit
and
one
of
the
things
too
is
we
just
need
to
get
all
the
lights.
A
Converted
get
this
contract
closed
out
and
then
really
start
working
with
our
electrician
and
our
gis
group
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
system
that
makes
sense,
and
I
think
we
can
do
that
over
the
winter
time
and
by
then
we'll
we'll
have
better
information
and
we
should
have
a
smoother
running
machine
by
that
time.
B
Okay,
yes,
yes,
marshall.
I
The
street
the
streetlight
issues
thing
on
there
is
awesome,
one
tweak
that
might
be
helpful
for
for
you
all,
especially
when
they
do
start
breaking
and
they
need
repairing
would
be
to
have
a
number
for
this
street
lamp
rather
than
just
the
street
number
and
name
because
they're
all
tagged
with
five
or
six
digit
numbers.
I
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
you.
A
I
No
those,
though,
so
in
the
street,
light
issues
form
on
the
website.
You
might
want
to
collect
that
info
so
that
you
know
you
can
you
can
they
can
tell
them
specifically,
which
which
light
it
is.
I
B
Yeah
me
too
yeah.
Thank
you,
george,
and
thank
you
thank
you
mike
for
being
so
honest
about
what
we're
able
to
do
and
setting
expectations,
but,
thanks
to
for
you
know,
being
able
to
to
be
flexible
with
this
and
and
think
about
what's
possible.
You
know
when
we
have
more
capacity.
D
A
Awesome
for
running
the
streetlight
project
because
it
was,
it
was
pretty
straightforward.
I
think
it
went
pretty
well
too,
we
got
a
lot
of
lights
in
very
quickly,
and
you
know
john
ragny
works
remark,
of
course,
but
john's
been
very
responsive,
but
he
also
sees
some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
brought
up
here
in
this
meeting
tonight
and
so,
like
I
say,
give
us
a
couple
months
to
work
the
bugs
out
and
we're
going
to
have
a
great
system.
B
Okay,
awesome
awesome.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Are
we
ready
to
adjourn
okay?
Ironically,
I
don't
even
know
if,
yes,
we'll
move
by
marshall's
their
second
second
by
rob.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
actually
move
to
adjourn
when
you
don't
have
a
corner.
I
don't
know
how
that
works.
Does
the
vote?
Is
the
vote
binding
anyway,
all
those
in
favor
of
adjournment?