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A
Board
operates
some
of
the
provisions
of
the
Ithaca
City,
Charter
I,
think
a
zoning
ordinance
of
the
sign
ordinance
and
the
Lord's
own
rules
of
the
procedure.
The
board
comprises
five
members
nominated
by
the
mayor
and
improved
by
Common
Council
board
members.
President
tonight
are
Michael
Cannon,
Andrew,
Gardner
and
perhaps
Joseph
Kirby
might
join
us
later,
as
well
as
assistant
planner,
Samuel
Jacobs
and
Zoning
administrator
Megan
Wilson
Staff
to
the
board
I'm
Dave
Barton,
chairperson
of
authority.
The
secretary
to
the
board
mayor
Wilson,
will
call
each
case
and
be
order
listed
on
the
agenda.
A
The
parents
will
then
have
a
maximum
of
five
minutes
to
present
new
material
or
highlight
aspects
of
their
appeal
board.
Members
May
question
the
balance
on
any
areas
requiring
verification.
Full
consideration
of
appeals
requires
the
public
hearing,
deliberation
and
employees
by
the
board.
These
actions
occur
only
after
the
account
has
filed
appropriate
documents
of
the
zoning
Division
and
the
planning
and
development
board
public
hearings,
as
we
testimony
from
quote
interested
parties.
The
board
considers
and
trusted
parties,
persons
who
live
work
or
own
property
from
750
feet
of
the
property
who
are
authorized.
A
Persons
who
do
not
meet
the
Lord's
interest
in
party
definition
will
not
be
heard.
The
comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
The
balance
will
then
be
allowed
to
opposing
testimony,
but
a
balanced
comments
must
be
limited
to
strict
rebuttal
of
the
issue
trades
by
those
opposed
and
will
be
limited
to
five
minutes.
The
timer
will
sound
at
the
end
of
each
speaker's
a
lot
of
time.
While
we
do
not
adhere
to
strip
Rules
of
Evidence.
We
do
consider
this
a
cause
of
judicial
proceeding
and
then
base
our
decisions
on
the
official
record.
A
The
official
record
consists
of
application
materials
filed
with
the
zoning
division
correspondence
related
to
cases
received
by
the
zoning
division
of
the
planning
and
development
boards
own
findings
and
recommendations.
If
any
and
the
record
of
tonight's
meeting
an
audio
recording
is
being
made
of
this
meeting,
therefore
it
is
essential
anyone
wanting
to
be
heard
comes
forward
and
speaks
directly
into
the
microphone.
So
their
comments
are
reported
by
all
present
extraneous
comments
from
the
audience
will
not
be
recorded
or
considered
by
the
board.
A
B
A
A
Please
be
advisor
at
two
exits
from
common
council's
Cambridge
is
the
one
you
probably
used
to
enter
at
the
rear
of
the
room
and
the
one
at
the
front
of
the
chambers
like
it
would
kindly
call
our
first
case
so
I
guess
before
that
we'll
do
a
quick
agenda
review
and
we
will
be
adding
an
executive
sessions
in
the
end
of
this
meeting
to
discuss
matters
litigation.
C
Appeal
of
property
owner
secretary
area
variants
from
three
section:
325,
8
column,
six,
lot
area,
column,
10,
lab
coverage
by
buildings,
column,
11,
front
yard,
columns,
12
and
13
Sun
yards
income;
1415
we're
here
at
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance
as
well
as
section
325-25
location
of
accessory
structure.
The
applicants
have
been
renovating
the
single
family
home
with
706
Lynn
Street
and
would
like
to
construct
a
one-bedroom
apartment
within
the
existing
Edition
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
C
The
proposed
work
will
not
alter
the
footprint
of
the
building,
but
will
increase
the
legal
occupancy
of
the
property
by
one
person.
While
the
district
regulations
allow
two
family
dwellings,
the
zoning
ordinance
requires
that
an
area
variants
be
granted
in
order
to
increase
the
occupancy
of
a
property
that
does
not
meet
the
minimum
flat
area
requirements.
The.
D
C
District
requires
a
minimum
of
3
000
square
feet
per
single
or
two
family
homes,
and
the
property
has
a
lot
area
of
2523
square
feet
or
84
of
the
required
lot
size.
The
property
has
existing
deficiencies
in
lab
coverage,
front
buildings,
front
yard,
both
side,
yards,
rear
yard
and
location
of
the
existing
garage
that
will
not
be
exacerbated
by
The
Proposal.
E
B
E
G
G
Thank
you.
In
my
letter
to
the
commission,
I
explained
that
the
property
has.
G
Two
and
a
half
years,
and
when
we
purchased
it,
it
was
in
a
very
back
condition.
There
were
wild
animals
living
in.
F
G
G
G
And
I've
been
working
with
Robert
in
the
in
the
city
to
repair
that
structure.
We
replaced
certain
sections
of
the
roof
and
overall
and
he
will
be
the
maintain
care
of.
A
B
G
C
We're
gonna
try
having
you
rejoin
the
zoom
meeting
and
see
if
we
can
hear
you
a
little
bit
better
so
I'm.
B
E
C
The
planning
board
supports
this
kind
of
density
with
the
addition
of
necessary
dwelling
unit,
as
it
adds
livability
to
the
house
with
minimal
impacts
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
The
additional
one-bedroom
apartment
allows
for
the
owner
to
stay
in
their
property.
The
board
finds
no
long-term
negative
and
that's
depressing
foreign.
E
B
A
C
We
they
have
locked
them,
meaning
I,
don't
know
there
must
be
having
some
technical
difficulties.
We
can
hold
this
for
now
and
they
rejoin.
We
can
move
on
to
the
next
appeal.
We
do
have
a
few
of
them.
Let
me
try
one
more
time
to
see
if
I
can
get
them
back
in.
C
A
B
A
Both
detable
this,
the
public
hearing,
has
already
been
closed.
We
already
did
that,
in
which
case
we
would
then
either
regroup
for
the
next
meeting.
E
C
C
Text
advocates
okay,
so
our
next
appeal
is
number
three,
two,
three
six
for
one
way
to
110
Eddie,
Street,
appeal
of
Widow
planning
and
design
and
VIP
structures
on
behalf
of
property
owners,
experience,
housing,
006
LLC
for
an
area
variants
from
section
325,
8
column,
4,
off
street
parking
requirement
of
the
zoning
coordinates.
The
applicant
is
undertaking
a
renovation
of
the
existing
apartment,
building
at
108
to
110,
Eddy
Street
and
the
renovation
will
and
will
involve
the
reconfiguration
of
the
existing
dwelling
limits.
C
The
property
currently
has
nine
dwelling
units
and
one
to
three
bedrooms
requiring
a
total
of
nine
off-street
parking
spaces.
There
are
five
parking
spaces
on
site
in
the
previous
owner
was
granted
an
area
of
marinates
for
the
Force
Base
deficiency
in
2016..
The
proposed
unit
configuration
will
include
eight
four-bedroom
apartments
in
each
of
these.
Larger
units
requires
two
off-string
spaces
for
a
total
of
16
required
spaces.
C
The
existing
five
parking
spaces
will
remain
on
site
in
the
variants,
for
the
remains
valid
for
the
previous
deficiency
before
the
applicant
is
now
seeking
an
area
of
variance
for
the
additional
seven
spaces
or
44
of
the
required
parking.
The
number
of
bedrooms
in
the
building
will
increase
from
25
to
32.
However,
the
maximum
legal
occupancy
permitted
under
housing
code
will
decrease
from
43
to
34
due
to
smaller
bedroom
sizes.
C
J
Hi
everyone
Scott
Woodham
here.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes
that
actually
works
wonderful,
it's
always
exciting.
When
that
happens,
let
me
introduce
some
of
the
team
that
we
have.
We
have
the
the
building
owner
and
developer
Laney
vasalo
on
she's
waving
her
hand.
We
have
Barb
Garner,
who
is
and
Bob
is
the
project
architect
from
VIP
hello,
he's
even
saying
hello
and
his
audio
works.
I'm
glad
because
you're
going
to
talk
in
a
minute,
Bob
and
Christine
Stevens
who's
with
VIP
managing
the
project.
Do
we
see
Christine
she's,
the
mysterious
one?
J
Now,
maybe
there
she
is
she's
waving
too
she's
in
the
outer
space
and
then
I'm
here
with
max
Eckhart
in
my
office.
So
thanks
again
for
your
time,
wish
we
were
there
with
you,
we're
asking
for
an
area
variance
through
seven
spaces.
Basically,
and
the
property,
as
you
know,
is
an
historic
property
on
Eddie
Street
near
the
corner
of
state
and
MLK,
it's
William
Henry
Miller
project.
J
Over
time
the
apartment
units
were
dissected
into
smaller
layouts
that
were
inadequate
and
actually
not
entirely
meeting
code.
The
applicants
purchased
the
billing.
It
was
occupied
by
33,
tenants,
owned
and
operated.
It
during
the
2020
2021-22
school
year
and
during
that
time
the
five
existing
on-site
parking
spaces
spots
were
used,
but
no
tenants
indicated
a
desire
for
additional
parking.
Having
only
five
parking
space
spots
on
site
was
never
problematic,
it
seemed
for
either
the
owners
or
the
existing
tenants.
J
The
building
owner
decided
to
reconfigure
the
interior
of
the
building,
to
upgrade
it
and
make
changes
to
the
exterior
that
that
celebrated
and
recognized
the
architectural
qualities
of
the
building
and
its
historic
nature.
The
modifications
have
been
reviewed
by
both
ilpc
and
the
planning
board.
Both
boards
are
in
agreement
that
this
is
a
positive
change
and
that
the
restoration
efforts
will
have
a
great
effect
on
the
college
town
neighborhood.
So
we
were
happy
to
meet
with
both
ilpc
and
the
planning
board
and
I
think
you
should
have
their
comments
as
well.
J
I
K
K
Front
of
us
as
well:
okay,
awesome,
so
starting,
so
these
were
basically
a
side-by-side
representation
of
the
existing
conditions
on
the
left
and
the
proposed
conditions
on
the
right
and
this.
This
floor
plan
really
is
the
basement
level
of
the
building.
It's
actually
two
stories
below
the
street
level
and
in
essence,
there
is
a
a
small.
K
What
was
originally
the
caretaker
apartment
down
there
that
we
are
removing,
with
with
historic's
support
in
order
to
provide
amenity
space
for
the
tenants
on
that
level.
Then
today,
here.
E
K
K
This
space
was
originally
a
dining
room
and
a
partition
was
put
in
and
made
that
a
third
bedroom
we
we
know-
and
the
owners
took
over-
that
the
porches
are
typically
there's
one
here
and
one
here,
and
these
stack
right
up
were
being
used
as
as
bedrooms,
although
they
they,
they
are
not
tabulated
as
bedrooms.
So,
needless
to
say,
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
was
bring
all
the
bedrooms
into
Code
Compliance.
K
So
we
are
retaining
the
the
two
original
bedrooms,
the
dining
room
that
was
converted
to
a
bedroom
and
we
are
enlarging
the
porches
to
become
a
fourth
bedroom.
So
it's
interesting
that
this
floor.
Actually,
on
the
east
side
of
the
building,
there
was
always
a
corner
bedroom
and
then
a
small
space,
and
we
we
believe
that
some
of
these
have
actually
been
used
as
sleeping
spaces
in
the
existing
configuration
as
well.
A
perfect
example
of
here.
On
the
second
floor.
K
There
are
three
apartments
that
have
a
much
larger
bedroom
here
and
certainly
based
on
the
city
of
Ithaca
housing
code.
Those
would
be
allowed
to
have
more
than
a
single
user
in
them,
but
I
think
what
we
want
to
straight
really
point
out
so
clearly
is
that
all
the
apartments
are
intended
for
saying
all
the
bedrooms
are
intended
for
single
occupants
and
will
so
each
apartment
will
have
four
occupants
total
eight
apartments
for
32
occupants.
K
One
last
comment
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
this
back
over
to
Scott
was
then
on
the
third
floor.
Our
proposed
apartment
layout
we
are
at.
We
are
completely
renovating
the
kitchens.
We
are
redoing,
the
existing
full
bathrooms.
K
J
Unmute
myself,
I
actually
did
that
it's
good,
so
thanks
Bob
I
are
we
don't
think
in
looking
at
the
way
the
building
has
been
used
and
with
these
changes
that
there
is
the
need
for
additional
parking
provided
on
site
I?
Think
most
of
you
are
familiar
with
this
building:
Gray
Court
and
there's
a
great
wooded
Edge
that
is
acts
as
a
buffer
that
we
would
hate
to
and
I
don't
the
planning
board
and
iopc
as
well
would
not
want
us
to
move
into
any
of
that.
J
This
is
very
near
to
campus
very
near
to
the
tcat
stop
and
the
city's
goals
of
reducing
parking
and
encouraging
exactly
these
sort
of
improvement
for
buildings.
Just
like
this,
particularly
in
this
area,
we
feel
our
request
supports,
and
that
is
again.
We
thank
the
board
for
their
2016
variants
that
this
is
really
an
almost
identical
situation
that
we
were
in
when
we
asked
back
in
2016
and
it's
a
continuation
of
the
improvements
of
the
building
any
additions.
J
Laney
you've
been
very
quiet,
you
waved
earlier.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
from
a
building
owner
standpoint.
L
J
No,
that
Christine,
just
making
sure
I
asked
my
team
just
blathering
on,
like
the
guy.
Thank.
M
J
Oh
right,
yeah
right,
it's
a
it's
a
great
building.
It's
wonderful
to
see
this,
but
anyway,
we'll
take
any
questions
and
I
I
think
you
do
have
comments
from
both
ilpc
and
planning
board.
A
Thank
you
so
the
way
we'll
go
through
this
is
we'll
ask
you
a
few
questions
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
public
hearing
and
become
my
receipt
planning
board
and
then,
after
that,
before
we
start
deliberating
I'm,
just
going
to
ask
Megan
to
give
us
a
synopsis
of
the
R3
and
why
we're
in
the
position
we're
in
you
know
what
are
the
parking
ranks
for
this
District
zone
and
that'll
sort
of
I
think
Enlighten
our
deliberation
and
how
we
go
about
the
appeal.
So
with
that.
I
Questions
to
open
up
with
yeah
the
ilpc
in
2016
turned
down
a
proposal
from
the
prior
owner
to
expand
the
parking
lot.
You
guys
reviewed
that
plan
in
air
codes
when
I
looked
at
the
site,
I
didn't
see
how
you'd
get
more
parking
spaces,
but.
J
I
Have
you
made
any
attempts
to
rent
parking
within
a
reasonable
area
from
the
property
to
try
to
overcome
the
issue?
We.
J
Have
we've
talked
with
college
town
Terrace
and
they,
and
so
we
reached
out
to
them.
They
don't
offer
parking
save
to
the
students
that
they
have
living
in
their
facility.
Crossing
as
well,
was
not
interested.
They
can't
they
potentially
could,
but
they
can't
make
any
guarantees
Carol
bushberg
as
well.
We
reached
out
to
and
talked
with
her
but
again
looking
at
this
site
I,
you
know
when
I
was
in
grad.
School
I
had
a
friend
living
there
and
we
walked
there
from
campus.
J
It's
pretty
close
right
down
Eddie,
but
if
not
tcat's
close
by
as
well.
L
A
I
have
a
question
about
the
2016
variants,
you're
saying
it's:
it's
basically
in
line
with
that,
and
this
will
also
be
a
question
for
Megan.
But
my
understanding
of
it
is
that
you're
now
exacerbating
an
efficiency,
so
you're
not
just
going
for
the
seven
spaces
you're
going
for
more
because
you're
now
going
through
a
lot
about
that
at
that
time
to
see
them
right.
There.
O
If
I
could
so,
the
existing
parking
lot
accounts
for
five
parking
spaces
and
in
2016
the
variants,
the
area
variance
was
submitted
and
then
approved
to
meet
the
code
at
that
time,
which
was
one
spot
per
apartment
unit
and
that
would
that
creates
the
existing.
O
So
for
spaces
were
permitted
to
be
a
part
of
this
existing
parking
lot.
So
now,
yes,
we
are
asking
to
have
an
additional
seven
spaces
to
meet
the
current
code
for
Ithaca,
which
calls
for
two
parking
spaces
per
apartment
unit.
So
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
meet
the
existing
code
and
apply
AI
for
a
variance
to
allow
that
to
be
possible.
C
C
Existing
variance
for
2016
granted
four
spaces
and
that
variance
will
remain
in
effect.
So
essentially,
if
the
board
should
Grant
the
variance
this
evening,
they'll
have
a
variance
for
11
of
the
16th
required
spaces.
The
parking
requirement
has
not
changed.
It
is
that
the
units
are
larger
now
so
before,
as
you
saw
on
the
floor,
plans
correct
one
to
an
apartment
unit
with
one
to
three
bedroom
requires
one
parking
space,
but
when
you
increase
the
number
of
bedrooms
that
brings
the
number
of
spaces
per
unit
up
so
you're.
A
And
then
just
lastly,
you're
saying
that
the
five
spaces
have
never
been
an
issue.
Do
you
have
a
sense
for
how
many
tenants
in
your
building
you
do
have
vehicles
so
how
many
of
vehicles
are
minus,
the
five
that
get
to
park
on
site
and
then,
if
you
have
a
central
where
they
do
Park.
J
L
Sure
so
we
found
the
building
just
for
the
21-22
school
year,
but
and
in
which
time
we
did
not
receive
any
requests
for
additional
parking.
All
five
spaces
were
leased
in
use,
but
we
didn't
hear
any
comments
from
other
students
that
they
were
looking
for
more
parking.
L
We
do
know
and
I
can't
remember
where
it's
documented,
but
I
can
I
can
get
that
for
you
as
well,
that
there
was
a
period
of
time
where
the
former
owner
was
leasing,
spaces
down
I,
think
at
840
State
Street
for
about
five
years
and
during
which
time
nobody
wanted
to
park
there,
because
they,
it
was
too
far
and
that's
well.
Within
the
500
foot
distance
from
the
property
I
think
I
Googled
it
it's
like
a
two
minute
walk,
so
they
dissolved
that
relationship
with
the
parking.
O
Yeah,
if
I
could
interject,
that
section
is
found
in
the
2016
deliberations
and
fine,
which
was
a
part
of
our
our
application.
Perfect.
M
J
M
O
J
Then
I
I
would
speculate,
but
knowing
those
who've
lived
in
this
site,
it's
just
it
really
is
an
easy
walk
to
campus.
A
There's
no
other
question
from
board
members
I.
Think
we'll
open
this
up
to
public
hearing
and
comments
from
the
irpc
and
employment
works.
A
C
Do
you
not
have
any
written
patterns
or
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
in
either
support
or
opposition
of
the
parents?
Requests
I
will
read
the
recommendation
from
the
planning
board
and
what
was
sent
by
historic
preservation,
Brian
McCracken,
so
from
the
planning
board.
C
The
ilpc
reviewed
the
overall
project
and
approved
the
exterior
alterations
to
108
to
110
Eddie
Street
on
August
16
2022.,
while
the
ilpc
did
not
specifically
discuss
the
parking
variants.
The.
C
A
Public
hearing
and
then
Megan,
if
you
could
just
remind
us
what
zone
this
building's
in
what
is
the
logic
behind
the
current
land
use
ordinance.
However,
against
the
density
and
planning
staff's
interpretation
of.
C
The
parking
requirements
in
this
neighborhood
all
right,
so
this
property
is
located
in
the
r3a
district,
which
does
allow
multiple
dwellings,
as
we've
seen
a
couple
times
lately.
One
of
them
means
that
the
zoning
ordinance
was
designed
to
basically
address
density
issue,
parking
requirements
and
also
to
some
degree
law
area
requirements
for
many
properties,
their
ability
to
provide
parking
limits,
the
number
of
occupants
they
can
have
in
their
building.
C
This
was
particularly
true
in
college
town
in
the
past,
when
there
was
even
stricter
parking
requirements
in
place,
those
were
alleviated,
I
believe
in
2014
and
are
now
the
same.
Parking
requirements
is
elsewhere
in
the
city,
but
again
it
is
a
means,
because
the
more
Apartments
you
have
in
the
larger
Apartments
you
have
the
more
parking
you
have
to
provide
on
site
and
whether
that's
a
good
approach
or
not,
is
left
to
our
policy
makers
to
decide
what
is
one
of
the
rationales
and
also
to
help
alleviate
Transportation
impacts.
C
We
do
see
projects
offering
different
mitigations
I
would
say
to
Transportation
impacts,
but
that's
really
the
right
one
of
the
rationales
behind
the
parking
requirement
that
applies.
I
would
say
that
this
property
is
has
been
noted
as
in
the
historic
district,
so
we
don't
typically
see
much
increase
in
occupancy.
Nor
do
we
see
a
lot
of
change
in
the
building,
footprint
or
exterior.
This
is
not
an
area
I
guess
in
terms
of
planning
goals.
I
This
is
the
ilpc.
If
we
said
hey,
you,
gotta
pull.
C
Yes,
that
would
likely
be
a
problem
that
iotc
would
not
approve
so
like
tearing
down
portions
building
or
the
hillside
to
put
in
parking
I
feel.
In
that
case,
it
becomes
more
of
an
issue
about
what
the
app
it
can
do
inside
the
building.
They
do
have
the
officially
on
record
the
four
space
variants
and
the
five
on
site,
whether
there's
other
options
or
not,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
that
that
would
be
more
about
unit
configuration
and
what
could
be
accommodated.
N
I
From
a
process
standpoint,
you
know
they've
assessed
that
they've
maxed
out
the
number
of
parking
spaces
on
site
I
think
they've
made
a
you
know:
they've
made
a
good
faith
effort
to
reach
out
to
other
people
to
rent
spaces
to
go
down
that
medication
strategy
yeah.
I
You
know,
I'd
become
beds
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
and
you
know
I
like
that:
they're
transitioning,
you
know
they're
taking
some
of
those
excess
spaces
and
making
them
bathrooms
to
sort
of
eliminate
that
you
know
Temptation
shall
we
say
so
I
like
how
you
guys
are
approaching
this
from
a
process.
Standpoint
I
am
inclined
to
report,
because
the
occupancy
change
on
net
and
in
practice
is
pretty
minimal.
I
B
I
A
Have
a
question
for
the
project
team,
so
you're
you're,
saying
yeah,
so
the
you're
saying
that
the
occupancy
count
really
isn't
changing
at
all.
Even
though
we're
going
from
25
bedrooms
to
32
bedrooms.
M
It's
misleading
because
really
bluntly
there
as
the
previous
board
member.
Thank
you
pointed
out.
Really.
There
have
always
been
33
occupants
in
the
building.
We
are
proposing
32
occupants
in
the
building
the
my
our
client
purchased,
the
building
with
leases
in
place
for
33
occupants
they're
leased,
not
by
apartment
unit
but
by
bedroom.
So
the
client
inherited
33
occupants.
We've
said
that
by
code
we
can
only
allow
32..
Realistically,
it's
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
people
who
will
be
living
in
the
bedroom
in
the
building.
M
She
wants
to
run
a
really
nice
building
with
great
historic
character,
she's
about
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
in
the
preservation
of
that
building
to
protect
it
for
future
Generations
and
she's
interested
in
running
a
really
nice
clean
type
ship
with
a
clear
and
minimal
number
of
people
in
there.
I
would
hope
the
board
could
see
that
realistically,
where,
from
a
practical
perspective,
reducing
the
number
of
occupants
in
the
building.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
history
of
the
building
and
how
it's
so
so.
Essentially,
the
building
was
over
occupied
at
the
time
of
purchase
and
now
essentially
you're
trying
to
formalize
the
existing
layout.
A
former
layout
or
the
current
layout
is,
is
where
they're
they're,
basically
overcrowding
they
were,
they
were
putting
together.
M
I
Yeah
I
know
I
mean
I,
also
think
it
it's
worth
noting
that
it's
like
when
you
have
rooms
that
are
effectively
act
like
bedrooms,
no
matter
what
you
do,
they
turn
into
veterans.
You
know
it's,
it's
I,
think
completely
unmanageable.
I
mean
it's
very.
You
know.
I
have
a
building
where
it's
a
one
bedroom
home
office
and
I
have
to
work
very
hard
to
keep.
You
know
people
out
of
illegally
renting
that
second
bedroom.
I
It's
it's
an
odd
argument
to
make
to
support
its
owning
appeals,
essentially
that
you
should
be
giving
credit
for
someone
else's
illegality,
but
I
think
it's
a
reality
of
the
market,
so
I'm
inclined.
A
Yeah
I'll
be
honest:
it
changes
things
for
me
in
the
sense
that
it
makes
me
more
important
to
support
this
basis
of
that's
formalizing.
It
I
if
your
application
is
as
a
big
increase
in
the
density
when
really
you're,
saying
that
you're
formalizing
the
density
I
had
no
way
of
speaking.
You
know,
I,
don't
have
copies
of
these
leases
from
too
far
out
of
what
we're
supposed
to
do
here.
A
I
do
think
it's
a
substantial
asset
if
there's
a
viable
alternative
and
I
do
think
it's
a
self-inflicted
hardship,
so
I
think
board.
Members
should
consider
that,
basically,
the
criteria
that
we
have
to
go
off
of.
A
Go
this
route?
That's!
Why
I
think
if
there's
proof
that
you've
reached
out
to
Neighbors
and
on
top
of
that,
what
Andre
mentioned
about
iobc,
then
there's
really
no
viable
alternative
at
that
point,
there's
only
three
of
us
here
that
would
take
all
of
our
votes.
I
don't
know!
A
A
A
Sometimes
you
can
find
work
in
our
cook
or
you
go
down
to
Seneca
or
you
go
into
North
Dakota
and
take
that
little
short
patch
off.
So
there
is
no
parking,
as
is
I,
think
essentially
board
members
are
deciding
whether
or
not
that's
a
ultimately
up
for
the
market
to
decide
when
students
are
finding
housing
or
individuals.
A
First,
a
shortage
of
parking
in
general
also
speak
to
the
to
the
reference
to
larger
units
being
more
inviting
to
families.
It's
not
our
business.
To
delve
into
that,
that's
happening
to
fair
housing
issue
and
we're
not
going
to
speak
to
that
at
all.
H
I
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
have
buildings
that
have
no
parking,
and
surprisingly
enough,
most
of
my
tenants
do
not
have
cards,
because
there
is
a
self-selection
thing
that
follows
from
it
and
I
assume.
That
will
be
largely
the
case
here.
You
know,
I,
think
that
you
have
information,
that
you
could
provide
to
the
board,
showing
that
you've
made
an
effort
to
acquire
parking,
and
you
can
provide
some
context
about
the
functional
reality
of
what
this
building
is.
A
Push
this
to
table
this
until
next
month,
when
we
have
more
members
but
also
time
to
review
documentation
that
you've
reached
out
to
neighboring
landowners
for
basically
exhausting
all
viable
alternatives
and
and
then
essentially,
you're
formalizing.
A
C
I
can
look
to
see
what
documentation
we
might
have
or
bad
about
occupancy
levels.
Sure.
J
May
I
make
a
recommendation:
I
don't
know
if
this
would
work,
but
if
we
had
this
variance
approved
and
then
the
condition
of
that
was
the
providing
of
the
background
for
the
Outreach.
M
Yeah
really,
honestly,
the
the
timetable
is
really
challenged
already
I
know:
that's
not
the
board's
problem,
it's
ours,
but
the
the
client
had
hoped
to
be
able
to
lease
units
and
given
the
construction,
cost
and
construction
timeline,
she's
already
really
in
a
pinch,
so
resolution
on
this
matter.
We
would
just
really
appreciate
as
Speedy
a
resolution
as
possible,
because
really
the
whole
project
is
tied
up
with
this
topic.
M
M
She
didn't
renew
those
leases
in
hopes
that
the
project
could
move
forward
more
quickly
than
the
current
project
schedule
looks
like
so
for
now.
The
hope
is
that
we
can
get
this
variance
without
the
rental
income
on
that
bedroom.
The
the
planned
renovations
to
the
building
are
really
in
Jeopardy,
just
to
be
really
honest
about
it
without
that
without
the
rental
income
I,
don't
know
that
our
client
gets
a
bank
loan
to
do
the
renovations
that
were
so
beautifully
presented
to
the
Ithaca
landmarks
commission.
M
M
A
I
understand
that
the
frustration
and
I
understand
that
doing
business,
especially
on
these
older
houses
in
a
seasonal
Market,
is
really
difficult.
Costly
right
I
would
prefer
that
we
have
a
full
board
here,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
comfortable
once
I
see
certain
things
that
just
say:
we've
exhausted
all
the
due
diligence
in
terms
of
the
five
criteria
that
we
have
perfect
over.
That's.
M
M
A
J
J
All
right
sure
I
mean
we'll
we'll
send
a
memo
with
those
with
that
backup
to
the
board
prior
to
the
next
meeting
and
work
with
Megan,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
answered
those
outstanding
questions.
H
J
Mike
just
wants
to
make
sure
that
we
have
again
this
outstanding
information
of
reaching
out
to
some
of
the
neighbors
called
santeras,
Etc
and
Carol,
and
wants
that
back
up
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
Now
that
we've
we've
done
that.
So
we
hear
that
Mike.
A
We
appreciate
your
patience
and
understanding,
and
this
is
just
about
you
know
at
times
seems
good
I
forget
to
ask,
but
this
is
just
this
is
the
process
that
that
we
got
to
go
through
so.
L
So
if
I
made
just
a
couple
things
all
of
the
inquiries
to
the
local
potential
Partners,
there
were
phone
calls.
So
any
emails
will
be
time
stamped
after
this
date,
but
we
can
have
them
speak
to
the
fact
that
we
made
these
phone
calls.
We
can
get
you
logs
of
the
phone
records
whatever
it
is,
that
you'd
feel
most
comfortable
with
and
then
secondly,
just
for
my
edification,
because
this
is
the
first
board
meeting
that
I've
been
involved
in
with
Ithaca
how
many
members
are
typically
at
these
sessions.
A
It's
five
board
members
we're
waiting
to
fill
one
vacancy
hopeful
that
should
be
done
by
the
November
meeting
tonight.
When
there's
only
three
members
present,
you
meet
all
three
votes
to
pass.
Okay,.
L
A
H
M
On
the
least
necessarily
right,
well
yeah
there,
it
was
in
combination
of
the
the
other
documents
submitted
with
the
application
that
showed
you
know
it
was
a
legally
43.
People
could
be
in
there
right.
It's
semantics
on
Building
Code
versus
zoning
code,
but
the
point
taken
and
thank
you-
the
client
really
is
excited
to
be
in
Ithaca
and
really
excited
about
the
project
and
the
building
and
its
historic
character
and
I
hope.
M
L
A
A
question
that
we
table
this
appeal
appeal:
number
three,
two,
three:
six:
is
there
a
second
to
that
function?
Okay,
thank
you
all.
In
favor,.
E
Our
other
applicant
is
back
so
bear
with
me.
While
we
try
to
get
them
back
in
here.
I
B
D
A
A
So
we're
now
going
to
revisit
appeal
three
two
three
three,
which
is
your
appeal:
lineup
we've
done
a
public
hearing,
there's
no
one
to
speak
in
favor
or
against.
A
Why
don't
you
just
take
a
quick
one
minute
to
speak
to
what
the
actual
intention
of
the
project
is
that
our
packets?
This
is
advertised
as
a
single
family,
residence
and
they're,
adding
180us.
So
why
don't
you
speak
to
the
variant
specifically
and
then
we're
going
to
start
asking
you
some
questions.
O
Okay,
so
Victor
will
speak
about
the
adding
the
Adu.
G
I
can
yeah
I
can
hear
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
plans
that
we
submitted.
The
addition
actually
is
not
being
added.
This
Edition
has
been
added
in
1947,
because
I
have
found
parkings
on
the
concrete
that
was
formed
for
the
foundation
of
that
Edition.
That
was
someone
signed
in
1947,
so
the
addition
actually
has
already
a
side
entrance
from
the
driveway
and
by
adding
the
Adu
when
we
are
in
in
compliance
with
the
parking
regulations.
G
G
The
single
family
home
had
actually
two
kitchens
one
that
was
in
the
first
floor
that
was
originally
built
in
1953,
because
when
I
was
remodeling
at
home,
I
found
some
newspapers
that
were
used
for
installations
in
the
walls
of
that
kitchen
and
then
the
ATU
or
we
call
it.
The
EU
had
a
kitchen
that
was
added
later,
so
the
rest
of
the
space
was
used
as
a
gathering
space
for
the
family
that
lived
there
for
a
number
of
years.
So
structurally,
the
house
has
not
changed.
G
The
Adu
has
been
there
since
the
50s
and
but
the
square
footage
is
enough
to
provide
for
to
go
up
for
one
bedroom
with
quite
a
large
living
area,
a
small
bedroom
and
I'm.
Sorry
I
was
a
small
bathroom,
full
bathroom
and
just
the
same
kitchen
footprint.
G
In
this
case,
the
single-family
home
will
remain,
as
it
is
listed
now
as
three
bedroom
unit
with
a
kitchen
and
two
bathrooms.
G
We're
adding
one
bathroom
on
the
first
floor
with
a
little
kitchenette
area
for
the
first
for
for
the
first
floor,
so
visibly
there's
no
alterations
to
the
elevations
or
the
actual
footprint
of
the
house
that
has
been
existing
there
since
the
50
and
again,
the
driveway
allowed
for
the
additional
parking
that
the
Adu
for
that
additional
resident
will
accommodate
for
other
than
that,
we
are
actually
preserving
the
entire
footprint
of
the
building
without
any
additional
changes
to
the
elevations
or
to
the
actual
envelope
of
the
home.
I
Yeah,
can
you
can
you
walk
me
through
a
couple
of
your
design
decisions
for
the
renovation
of
the
existing
house?
There's
two
washer
dryers
two
living
rooms
and
then
I
realized.
The
kitchen
downstairs
does
not
include
a
range,
but
you
know
when
I
look
at
this
plan.
I
can
throw
a
door
off
the
entryway.
You
know
coming
out
on
the
right,
and
that
looks
like
three
Apartments
to
me.
Maybe
I'm,
just
crazy.
G
Yes,
yes,
the
the
modifications
that
we
did
on
the
SE
are
based
on
on
just
having
one
of
the
bedrooms
downstairs
and
with
a
large
living
room.
Actually,
this
is
the
original
layout
of
the
home,
except
for
the
living
area
at
that
time,
but
the
bedroom
at
this
time
was
not
separated
by
a
door.
The
the
original
owners
use
that
as
a
bedroom
and
the
kitchen
and
the
bathroom
were
actually
there.
G
As
you
can
see,
the
plan
shows
clearly
where
the
kitchen
was,
with
the
large
72
inch
sink
with
a
bathroom
right
across
from
it.
So
indeed
we're
just
modifying
that
kitchen
footprint
with
the
with
just
an
additional
kitchen
space,
but
also
the
residential
code,
does
not
specify
how
many
kitchens
in
the
in
a
in
a
single
family
residence
can
be
time.
G
G
It
will
remain,
it
will
remained
a
three-bedroom.
You
know,
and
two
bathroom
at
this
case.
G
Sure,
in
an
area
next
to
the
bathroom
other
than
that,
just
the
bathroom
could
have
been
just
the
Norms
there.
So
the
layout
does
not
allow
us
to
accommodate
a
lot
more
in
a
living
area,
meaning
enlarging
the
the
bedroom
or
enlarging
the
living
room
just
structurally.
The
house
does
not
allow
that
the
footprint
of
20
by
20,
with
a
Center
girder
10
seats
in
each
Direction,
really
limits
the
our
you
know
the
design
solutions
that
we
can
have
there.
G
I
did
not
have
no
I
have
not
discussed
that
with
the
with
the
building
department.
I
have
foreign
Nations.
C
And
we
did
Victor,
you
and
I
discussed
that
this
couldn't
be
a
free
unit
because
of
the
zoning
yeah.
G
We're
we're
not
yeah
we're
not
intending
to
have
three
units
there.
It
will
be
two
dwellings
if
the
Adu
is
allowed,
because
I
cannot
separate
the
other
two
units
just
based
on
the.
I
Existing
structure
of
the
home,
I'll
just
say,
I'm
not
prepared
to
vote
on
this
this
week,.
A
All
right,
I'm,
just
gonna
Circle
back,
we
might
reach
up,
give
us
some
questions,
but
I
think
as
Andre
here
just
enumerated.
We're
gonna
we're
gonna,
stop
this
part
of
the
hearing
and
we're
going
to
do
in
the
board
of
Liberation
and
workers
connect.
A
And
then
be
in
touch
with
you
shortly
board
members.
H
I
have
to
agree
with
Andre
I'm,
not
ready
to
vote
either
it's.
It
may
not
be
three
units,
but
it
looks
three
unit.
A
A
I
agree
for
me
personally:
I:
don't
disagree
with
Triplex
as
being
appropriate
in
the
neighborhood,
but
it's
just
not
allowed
by
zoning.
That's
a
different
conversation!
That's
a
legislative
conversation
but
I
agree.
I,
agree
right!
I,
look
at
this
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
the
living
Catholic
toward
a
three-minute
building,
which,
unfortunately,
is
not
a
land
use
argument.
So
we're
going
around
to
partake
in
so.
E
A
C
That
yeah
I
think,
if
you,
if
you
vote
to
table,
we
need
to
know
what
information
you
would
like
the
applicant
to
provide
if
there
is
anything
if
you're,
just
not
supportive
of
this
application.
The
way
it's
designed
because
you
think
it's
big.
C
I
What
everyone
on
the
board
isn't
similar,
so
I
want
to
have
a
chance
to
talk
to
them
about
you
know
whether
or
not
we
can
use
some
of
the
comments
that
we've
all
brought
up
to
continue.
I
just
don't
overview.
A
Coverage
this
so
just
so,
if
you're
aware
Victor
Kessler's,
the
assistant,
City
attorney,
who
advises
members
of
this
board
and
what
Andre
is
saying
and
which
I
agree
to
and
I
think
Mike
does
as
well
is
for
hesitation,
is
pertaining
to
the
potential
I
guess
you
would
say
you
know,
taking
advantage
of
the
building
layout
strategically
getting
the
Improvement
of
one
unit
and
then
essentially
changing
the
active
use
of
the
structure
the
users
allowed
in
that
zone,
and
we
need
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
language
we
use
and
the
denial
of
this
particular
to
that
concern.
G
All
right,
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
reviewing
the
application.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
again,
indeed,
the
layouts
may
look
like
two
separate
units,
but
keep
in
mind
that
there's
no
doors
that
separates
the
first
floor.
G
From
the
second
floor,
it's
an
open
plan
when
you
enter,
you
can
go
inside
of
the
living
room
immediately
on
the
first
floor,
and
the
same
also
applies
for
the
second
floor
and
the
the
code
allows
for
there
to
live
us
single
family
home
as
it
to
be
a
single
family
home
and
also
allows
for
a
family
to
rent
some
of
the
rooms.
G
G
It's
quite
a
considerable
financial
burden
of
us
so
being
able
to
rent
two
bedrooms
or
one
bedroom
in
the
Adu
will
not
change
the
actual
character
of
the
neighborhood.
My
current
neighbors
both
have
multiple
entries
to
their
homes,
with
multiple
apartments
that
including
some
of
the
homes
that
have
three
to
four
doors
to
them.
So
in
this
case,
I
don't
see
how
the
home
changes.
The
actual.
G
G
If
you
look
at
the
property
that
right
next
to
me,
it
has
actually
two
doors.
The
nice
one
right
across
from
the
bus
from
the
corner
of
the
street
has
three
doors
with
with
a
unit
right
across
from
the
from
that
establishment
there,
where
you
have
five
meters
on
it.
A
I'm
gonna
interrupt
you
right
there.
It's
not
a
question
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
I
agree
with
you
in
that
sense
that
all
throughout
Fall
Creek
you
have
one
unit,
two
unit,
three
unit,
four
unit
buildings
and
that's
one
of
the
factors
that
we
would
consider
in
this.
So
so
again,
no
no
concerns
there.
A
In
my
part,
at
least
and
I
also
do
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
you
for
your
sizable
investment
I've
been
inside
the
property
when
I
was
on
the
market
and
it's
surely
a
rehabilitation
yeah
to
to
amass
someone
and
strain
again.
A
What
I
hear
from
board
members
might
keep
in
trying
to
next,
but
we
just
need.
We
need
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
answers
from
City
staff
regarding
essentially
this
partition,
which
can
be
added
in
the
afternoon
and
then
change
of
use
and
change
of
use
is
far
more
of
an
ask
from
a
from
a
legal
perspective
and
I
live
in
area
areas
and
That's
essential
board
members
in
conjunctional,
City,
staff's
assessment,
they'll.
H
Have
their
knowledge
I'm
not
ready
to
vote
in
your
favor
I
really
do
want
some
staff
advice
on
this,
so
I
think
we'll
be
hearing
from
you
again.
If.
C
You
intend
to
pursue
this
I
think
we'll
follow
up
with
the
code
inspector
as
well
to
see
if
this
matches
for
the
Clans
and
and
get
some
thoughts
on
that,
while
I
I
know
you
all
are
familiar
with
unit
configuration
in
those
code
environments,
but
it.
A
If
it's
kosher,
then
great,
but
until
then
it
sounds
like
you
have
certainly
released
two
out
of
the
three
actually
three
out
of
the
three
level
X
and
answers
here.
A
So
our
options
are
either
to
make
a
motion
to
either
vote
to
deny
or
accept
the
variance
as
it
stands
at
for
us
to
table
this
or
for
the
allowance
withdrawal
or
for
the
account
of
the
table
but
board
members.
Is
there
a
path
that
money
you
would
like
to
pursue
over
others
motion.
N
A
C
I
will
follow
up
with
you
the
street
to
talk
about
next
steps
for
moving
forward
and
getting
that
information
reported.
E
H
P
Yeah
and
I:
don't
I,
don't
know
if
Nick
lambro,
who
I'm
representing,
is
joining
or
if
he's
in
attendance.
There.
P
Well,
I'll
just
I'll
just
jump
in
okay.
My
screen
is
up
right.
A
You're
good
and
I'll
just
point
out
that
Donna
Fleming
has
also
joined
us
for
this.
P
Fall.
Okay,
so,
as
you
mentioned,
303
309,
Dryden
road.
Is
this
parcel
right
here?
It's
just
up
from
College
Ave
call
it
one
and
a
half
blocks
it's
in
the
cr4
that
boundary
with
cr3.
The
Ruby
is
right
across
the
street.
You
guys
are
familiar
with
that.
P
So
I
actually
developed
some
Concepts
here
for
the
prior
owner
and
continuing
here
with
lambro
real
estate,
so
we're
trying
to
build
a
four-story
building,
and
you
know
typically,
as
you
put
these
things
together,
the
elevator
the
two
stair
Towers,
some
of
the
lot
constraints.
You
know
it
tends
to
tends
to
push
the
limit
a
little
bit
with
these
early
Concepts,
where
we're
at
we're.
Looking
at
a
small,
lock
coverage
variants,
it's
three
percent:
there's
a
possibility
of
trying
to
convert
on
the
upper
floors.
P
A
couple
Windows.
Sorry,
a
couple
units
to
a
two
bedroom
instead
of
two
individual
Studios.
So
the
the
floor
plan
concept,
you
know
it's
an
apartment,
building,
eight
bedrooms
per
floor,
six
Studios
with
a
two
bedroom
that
footprint,
if
it
did
grow
on
the
Upper
Floor,
would
count
as
a
lot
coverage.
So
we're
right
at
53
to
54
with
these
early
com,
con
Concepts,
whereas
50
is
the
maximum.
So
just
looking
for
some
feedback
on
on
that
due
to
the
shape
of
the
lot.
P
This
one
corner
in
the
front
here
goes
over
the
line,
so
it's
one
of
those
it
we're
not
fully
up
to
the
the
line
in
a
couple
areas,
so
we're
just
over
that
one
corner,
so
there
is
a
small
front
yard
variants
there
and
then
the
rear
yard.
Actually
this
must
not
have
corrected
this.
No
we're
actually
13.9
feet
from
the
rear
line,
which
is
opposite
The,
Dryden
road
side
and
at
a
20..
P
My
understanding
is.
There
is
some
some
discussion
about
in
the
cr4
changing
the
rear
yard
to
10
foot
instead
of
20
foot
minimum,
so
that
may
ultimately
go
away,
but
that
is
a
is
a
variance
there.
P
The
the
big
question
that
we
have
today
is
about
adding
another
story
and
I'll
get
to
that
too.
In
a
second,
this
is
a
cr4
Zone.
The
Transportation
demand
management
plan
is
allowed,
so
we
don't
need
to
construct
parking,
but
nick
lambro
is
is
adamant
that
he
wants
to
get
some
parking
on
the
site.
P
So
what
we've
conceived
is
a
below
grade
parking
space
and
a
portion
of
that
our
parking
garage
and
a
portion
of
that
does
actually
extend
out
over
the
setbacks,
setback
lines,
but
it's
all
below
grade,
so
that
would
be
a
planted
roof
area.
P
P
This
is
this,
is
the
building,
so
you've
got
four
floors
and
then
the
parking
down
below
below
grade
here
and
again
that
that
Subterranean
piece
is
to
the
right,
so
we'll
have
a
green
roof
on
top
of
that.
What's
really
desired.
Here
is
some
sort
of
amenity
space
on
the
roof,
and
that
technically
would
be
another
story
and
it
would
be
only
a
partial.
So
what
I
have
here
is
just
one
idea
would
be
a
pitched
roof
and
you
would
measure
to
the
midpoint
of
that
roof.
P
There's
also
a
little
red
sketch
boundary
I'll
zoom
in
in
a
moment
here,
I'm
just
going
to
jump
to
a
quick
comparison
whoops.
P
So
you
can
see
that
that
design
right
there
with
the
pitched
roof
is
in
compliance
with
with
zoning
and
we'd
have
to
tuck
a
small
common
room.
It's
just
a
gathering
space
for
the
the
tenants
and
then
a
roof
deck
to
provide
an
amenity,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
turn
that
to
the
west
side,
and
so
it
would,
it
would
face
the
rhinocer
and
the
cr4
zone,
and
so
the
roof
structure
would
would
conceal
it.
P
But
where
we're
at
we're
just
a
little
bit
taller
here,
the
the
graphic
I
just
showed
where
the
roof
went
down.
That
would
just
squeeze
the
floor
down
and
it
doesn't
actually
work.
But
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick,
a
quick
visual
just
to
watch
the
roof.
I,
don't
know
if
how
well
that's
coming
from
so
anyway,
there's
also
in
here
a
little
red
sketch
line
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
jump
in
a
little
bit
closer
for
you.
P
P
Sorry
yeah
it
again
the
roof
design,
it
could
be
a
flat
roof,
it
could
be
a
pitched
roof,
so
technically
I
don't
know
which,
which
way
we're
going
just
yet,
but
it
is
a
small
small
projection
above
that
height
limit.
This
graphic
was
just
designed
to
to
show
the
the
neighboring
apartment
building
here
and
how,
anyway,
you
cut
it.
There's
it's
just
a
minor
obstruction
to
the
The
View
shed
and
really
the
brazano
center
kind
of
kind
of
blocks
things
out
as
well.
P
But
ultimately
it's
the
the
desire
is
to
have
this
amenity
space.
The
footprint
of
the
building
is
about
3
400
square
feet.
The
common
room
up
there
we'll
jump
back
to
the
floor
plan
for
a
second
here.
You
know
the
stair
Towers,
you
know
they
they
can
go
up
to
the
roof.
The
elevator
can
go
up
there
and
they
don't
require
the
bulkheads
of
those
do
not
require
a
variants,
so
there
could
be
elements
of
the
roof
that
that
go
above
that
that
height
limit.
P
But
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
just
carve
out
a
partial
area.
It
would
probably
be
more
of
a
longer
space
or
maybe
just
a
a
bit
of
a
connecting
haul
and
then
a
projection.
So
perhaps
the-
and
we
haven't
really
explored
this.
P
Yet
the
where
you
see
the
two
bedroom
units
somewhere
in
that
area
might
be
the
roof
deck
and
then
just
a
a
partial
or
like
I,
said
that
space
would
be
completely
under
the
roof
so
that
that's
probably
the
you
know,
that's
the
bigger
question
and
we're
just
looking
for
some
feedback,
and
you
know
some
reactions
to
the
idea
of
adding
this
amenity
space.
You
know
it's
not
yeah,
it's.
We
might
call
it
a
loss
leader.
P
It's
not
really
an
income
generation
thing,
it's
just
a
differentiator
for
the
the
student
housing
market
in
the
core
of
college
down
here.
I
think
I.
Think
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
So
yeah.
Just
looking
at
these
four
four
variances
with
the
height
and
additional
story
being
the
the
bigger
ask
here,.
H
I
mean
we're
all
challenged
by
just
a
just
a
little
bit
on
every
corner.
It's
remarkable
you're,
looking
for
feedback
on
only
one
of
these
tonight
is
that
correct.
I
I'll
kind
of
rattle
through
them
not
so
much
concerned
about
the
basement,
parking,
I,
I,
don't
know
enough
about
the
code
related
to
that,
but
I,
don't
it's
Subterranean
Lots
account,
you
know,
apply
to
front
yard
and
rear
yard
setbacks
and
all
that
stuff
that
you
know.
It's
definitely
interesting
to
me.
I
I
I
I
H
Did
you
have
anything,
oh
the
front
yard?
Is
it
I
can
see
that
we're
talking
about
two
feet?
H
I
have
to
agree
with
Andre
I
bet
you
could
get
this
to
50
percent
and
the
other
two
are
are
the
more
difficult
asks
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
whole
plan
before
I
made
a
decision?
There
will
be
more
people
here
then
as
well,
hopefully
so
we'll
be
getting
more
feedback.
N
From
just
mine
at
that
point,
okay,
yeah,
I,
I,
think
speaking
about
Andre's
comments.
I.
A
Think
the
additional
story
is
the
the
biggest
ask
of
all,
and
certainly
the
most
self-inflicted
in
the
parking
route.
So
that's
really
a
project
team
decision
you're,
starting
with
the
fresh
sleep,
so
the
illness
should
be
dead
to
try
to
prove
why
it
is.
You
can't
move
the
zoning
and
it
is
very
favorable
zoning
that
was
recent.
A
reason
is
the
present
ingredient.
A
A
So
Donna
Fleming
who's,
hopefully
going
to
be
one
of
our
new
board
members.
Do
you
have
any
comments
or
questions.
D
D
A
You
Don
Jason
any
other
comments
or
questions
as
you're
sort
of.
P
P
They
really
really
can't
get
any
smaller
than
that
they're
pretty
pretty
cozy
and
then
the
same
thing
with
the
the
two
bedrooms.
So
if
if
this
was
to
go
to
50
lock
coverage,
it
takes
out
four
bedrooms
and
that
that
does
change
the
the
economics
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
these
situations
where
you
know
it's
a
existing
building,
it's
not
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
property,
and
you
know,
but
it's
income
generating
and
you
know
to
to
build
out.
You
know
closer
to
the
the
zoning.
P
You
know
you
have
that
investment,
so
we
can.
You
know
we
obviously
can
bolster
that
component
of
the
argument.
The
other
thing
here,
the
the
parking
garage
is
just
you
know,
sort
of
contrary
to
what
you
see
a
lot
with
these
cr4
and
higher
zones
where
they
don't
need
the
parking.
P
You
know
the
you
know,
they're
the
developer
feels
you
know.
The
part
some
parking
is
is
important
as
an
amenity
and
again
a
differentiator
to
this.
This
Market
that
I
believe
the
college
down
Market
is
getting
much
more
competitive
and
potentially
saturated
soon,
we'll
see
so,
but
the
one
thing
about
that
is
you're
right.
If
we
take
the
parking
away,
we
could
we
could
lower
the
building
into
the
ground
just
a
little
bit.
P
You
know
to
the
windowsill
you
know
or
below
the
windowsill,
so
maybe
two
two
and
a
half
feet:
I,
don't
know
that
we
could
get
the
the
parking
garage
in
anymore,
because
the
Grays
to
get
this
driveway
to
work
were
were
really
tight.
Slope
wise.
It's
an
18
grade,
so
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
accommodate
that
really
the
parking
is
just
like
you
say
it's
elective
the
projection
under
the
setback
as
as
far
as
I
know
in
conversations
with
Megan
and
and
the
former
zoning
administrators.
P
If
it's
below
grade
it
doesn't
doesn't
because
it's
not
perceived
so
anyway
shrinking
it
down
is
difficult.
You
know.
So
if,
if
we
were
to
forego
the
parking
I,
don't
know
if
Nick
really
wants
to
do
that,
we
could
then
potentially
comply
with
height,
but
really
it's
we're
just
looking
for
a
limited
use,
amenity
space
on
the
the
roof
level.
P
So
it's
a
small
room
and
I
think
that
could
be
Con
in
size
and
forever
regulated
not
to
convert
to.
You
know
more
housing
as
part
of
the
the
variants.
If,
if
that
helps
and
then
obviously
the
roof
deck
is
a
nice
amenity
not
for
much
of
the
the
school
year.
But
you
know
at
the
start
and
the
the
end.
So
again,
it's
just
just
looking
to
take
advantage
of
what
counts
as
a
story.
P
But
it's
not
really
trying
to
bring
in
that
that
primary
use
at
that
at
that
level
and
just
create
an
amenity
space,
so
I
get
that
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
fit
zoning,
but
we're
just
trying
to
build
a
a
project
that
you
know
has
has
some
nicer
components
to
it
and
some
some
more
amenities
and
I
don't
believe
this
project
has
been
presented
anywhere
before
so
I'm,
not
sure
Donna
about
about
your
comment.
P
Having
seen
this
before,
but
but
maybe
I'm
wrong
anyway,
I
think
I
think
that's
just
a
couple
clarifications
that
I
wanted
to
throw
in
there
I,
don't
know
how
that
changes
any
thinking
here
or
not.
A
I
What,
if
there's
any
anything
else,
sir
I
I
could
see
a
lot
of
if
we
green
lighted,
a
extra
story
just
for
the
purposes
of
making
a
communal
space,
and
that
would
sort
of
an
argument
that
we
started
to
listen
to
a
lot
more
I
could
see
a
lot
of
gyms
and
other
things
that
are
currently
in
the
basement,
ending
up
on
the
top
of
the
building,
just
some
thoughts
on
that
but
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
I
guess
you
know
it
sounds
like
people
would
like
you
to
reflect
on
conversation
and
then
just
sort
of
discuss
them
on
yourselves,
but
if
you're
coming
before
us,
then
I
guess
the
earliest.
We
would
see
this
would
probably
be
at
least
a
couple
of
months.
You
know
like
three
four
months
we
would
they
get
in
track.
Then
anything
else
for
us
Jason.
P
No
I
think
that's
it
I
think
it's
helpful.
It's
you
know
it's
nice
to
kind
of
steer
this
a
little
bit
before
we
really
dig
into
the
design,
work
and
I
see.
Donna
has
a
as
a
hand
up.
D
Yeah
I
apologize
I
was
mistaken.
I
thought
it
was
it's
very
close
to
the
other
two
lots
that
have
been
being
discussed
quite
a
bit
overall.
So
I
was
mistaken
about
this.
Being
one
of
those
lots,
sorry
about
that.
No.
I
A
A
A
We
have
the
approval
of
minutes,
we
have
August
of
2022
and
September.
A
C
Preview
of
the
November
meeting,
please
remember
and
I'll,
send
out
reminders
too,
but
this
will
be
the
first
month.
We
started
5
30
instead
of
six
o'clock.
So
hopefully
we'll
can't
hear.
C
Little
bit
earlier
and
still
get
through
all
the
things
we
need
to
do
for
what's
the
date,
I'm
sorry
that'll
be
November
1st
November.
H
C
Yes,
November
1st,
so
for
that
meeting
we
tentatively
have
four
new
appeals,
plus,
if
we
have
any
continuation
of
the
items
that
we
saw
tonight,
both
108
to
110,
Eddie
and
706
Lynn
Street
tentatively
scheduled
is
the
breeze
project
that
did
a
preliminary
presentation
in
early
summer,
I'll
be
coming
back.
C
We
have
assigned
variance
requests
for
the
green
star
location
in
college
town,
the
a
another
charging
in
some
shape
for
a
multiple
dwelling
on
626,
Stewart
Avenue
and
then
there's
445,
East
State
Street,
which
used
to
be
known
as
401
East,
State
Street,
is,
has
had
received
all
their
approvals
from
planning
board,
but
would
now
like
to
submit
Americans
to
come
back
for
an
additional
story
of
building
night.
C
So
there's
a
chance.
The
agenda
are
always
going
to
change,
but
those
are
the
the
currently
scheduled
items,
so
it
could
potentially
be
a
longer
meeting.
E
H
E
A
So
all
right
I'm
going
to
announce
that
this
will
be
an
update.
Only
and
no
action
will
be
taken
by
the
vza.
We
will
be
ending
the
YouTube
community
and
we'll
join
the.