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A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
hereby
call
to
order
to
save
an
appeals
meeting
for
November
1st
2022..
The
board
operates
under
the
provisions
of
the
Ithaca
City
Charter
I
think
the
zoning
ordinance
of
the
sign
ordinance
on
boards
on
the
rules
of
procedure.
The
board
comprises
five
members
nominated
by
the
Heron
by
Common
Council
board.
A
A
Of
the
zoning
Division
and
planning
and
development
board,
public
hearings
include
testimony
from
quote
interesting
parties
to
more
considers
interested
parties
versus
employees,
work
or
any
property
within
750
feet
of
the
property
who
are
authorized
representatives
and
recognize
adjacent
neighborhood,
Senate
groups
or
who
are
elected.
City
officials
board
members.
Make
questions
testify
an
interest
to
parties
in
the
areas
requiring
clarification.
A
Excuse
me,
persons
who
do
not
need
the
board's
interest
is
already
definition
will
not
be
heard.
Comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
The
balance
will
then
be
allowed
to
opposing
testimony,
but
balanced
comments
must
be
limited
to
strictly,
but
all
of
the
issues
faced,
whether
it's
posed
and
will
be
limited
to
fight
when
the
timer
will
assembled
one
of
these
speakers
a
lot
of
time.
A
While
we
do
not
adhere
to
strict
rules
of
evidence,
we
do
consider
this
a
quantity
every
day
for
proceeding
and
we
base
our
decisions.
On
the
official
record.
The
official
record
consists
of
application
materials
filed
with
the
zoning
division
correspondence
relating
to
cases
received
by
the
zoning
Division
and
the
planning
and
development
for
its
own
findings
and
recommendations.
A
For
them
speaks
directly
into
the
microphone,
so
the
comments
are
reported
and
heard
by
all
present
extraneous
comments
from
the
audience
will
rather
be
reported
or
considered
by
the
board.
We
ask
everyone
to
limit
their
comments
to
the
zoning
issues
of
each
appeal
and
not
comment
on
matters
being
on
the
board
jurisdiction
following
the
ability.
A
The
board
is
required
to
render
a
decision
within
62
days
of
the
public
hearings
closure
once
the
hearing
is
closed.
No
further
testimony
will
be
taken.
It
takes
three
votes
to
approve.
The
motion
of
granted.
Variance
to
favorable
interpretation
in
the
event
of
a
title
appeal
is
denied.
United
appeals
are
available
for
public
review
on
the
table
at
the
back.
A
A
Six
lot
area
and
section
325,
20
F3,
maximum
parking
area
coverage,
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
the
property
at
626
to
628
Stewart
Avenue
is
currently
a
five
unit.
Multiple
dwelling
that
requires
seven
off
street
parking
spaces,
no
approved
parking
spaces
are
provided
on
site.
The
property
was
granted
an
area
variance
BCA
number
2190
in
1993
for
the
seven
off
street
parking
spaces,
as
well
as
mineral
line
area
minimal.
A
Maximum
lot
coverage
by
buildings,
side
yard
and
rear
yard
deficiencies.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
convert
an
existing
five-bedroom
apartment
to
three
smaller
units.
The
pro
7
unit
configuration
will
require
eight
off-street
parking
spaces.
The
previous
variants
for
seven
off
Street
spaces
remains
valid,
and
the
applicant
is
also
seeking
formal
approval
of
two
parking
spaces
at
the
rear
of
the
property
that
were
constructed
previously
without
approval.
The
parking
spaces
are
located
0.7
feet
from
the
rear
property
line
and
zero
feet
from
the
side
property
line.
A
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
is
Seeking
a
varying
terminal
law
area.
The
applicant
is
increasing.
The
number
of
dwelling
units
on
the
property
in
the
minimum
lot
area
requirement
is
determined
by
the
number
of
units
on
site.
The
two
additional
Apartments
will
require
an
additional
1500
square
feet
of
lot
area
or
750
square
feet
per
unit,
resulting
in
a
10,
000
square
foot,
minimum
lot
area
requirement.
The
property
is
4748
square
feet
or
47
of
the
required
flat
size.
The
1993
area
variants
approved
the
Y
area
deficiency
frame
maximum
of
five
units.
A
A
C
C
So
the
this
property
I
bought
recently
it
pretty
much
I
mean
Megan's
right
on
point.
It's
currently
has
five
units
13
bedrooms
and
authorized
for
18
people
to
live
there.
I
am
proposing
yes
to
make
it
into
seven
units,
however,
I'd
be
dropping
it
down
to
12
bedrooms
and
then
addition-
and
everything
is
happening
with
the
existing
footprint
of
the
building
I'm
not
going
outside.
Also,
there
is
space
for
parking
I,
believe
it
was
used
as
parking
previously
I
would
like
to
legalize
it.
It
meets
the
size
requirements
of
parking
spots.
C
I
believe
you
have
a
cropped
version
of
the
survey.
Well,
I
I
have
a
survey
that
I
marked
up
with
the
sizes
of
the
parking
lots
and
a
picture
of
what
of
the
parking
spaces.
I
don't
know
if
that's
relevant,
to
see
the
reason
I'm
doing
this
I
think
it's
a
better
use
of
the
land.
I
think
it's
and
I
I
don't
think
that
I'm
I'm,
making
it
more
crowded
I,
am
taking
it
down
the
number
of
bedrooms,
even
though
it
is
more
units,
but
overall
it
will
be
less
people.
A
Okay
is
that
it.
C
Yeah,
that's
it
I
I,
yeah
I!
That's
it.
A
Yes,
are
there
initial
questions
from
the
Lord.
A
Are
these
parking
spaces
Jews
currently
currently.
C
C
A
So
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
this.
So
under
the
new
configuration,
eight
Austrian
parking
spaces
are
required,
except
that
there's
a
previous
experience
for
seven.
Does
that
leave
a
net
requirement
of
one
yes
and
so
you're
seeking
approval
for
two
spaces
in
the
back
that
are
a
harder
button
on
the
end
of
your
yard,.
A
A
C
B
C
C
C
Like
personally,
why
I
wanted
to
do
it
I
think
it's
it's
because,
as
a
I
think
it'd
be
easy
to
rent
than
having
five
units
and
I
think
a
five
unit.
I'll
have
more
Rowdy
tenants
versus
that's
my
personal
reasons.
A
A
A
Sorry,
just
this
is
a
really
public
comment,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
before
that.
This
is
one
of
the
appeals
where
the
board
will
be
a
lead
Agency
for
environmental
review,
so
that
information
is
included
right
above
the
Finley
board's
conference
and
the
environmental
review
forms
right
in
your
packet.
F
Or
deliberate
right,
I'm
fine,
with
your
request
job
same
it's
coming
down
to
less
bedrooms,
the
parking
spaces
are
already
there
so
like
looking
at
some
of
the
factors
here,
the
neighborhood's
already
adjusted
to
them
being
there
and
it
would
alleviate
the
problem
of
the
variants
that
was
already
solved.
So
yeah
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
problem
here.
F
A
I
do
have
concerns
about
sanctifying
or
approving
to
Illegal
parking
spaces
other
than
just
kind
of
used
it
back
to
even
without
authorization.
I
think
that
allowing
parking
in
in
the
side
of
your
yards
is
a
serious
problem
in
the
college
town
area
and
I'm
I'm
really
reluctant
to
go
ahead
and
approve
it
just
because
it's
been
done
just
because
it
exists,
so
I
think
another
arguments
about
why
that
should
be
improved
and
why
it
won't
be
a
terrible
precedent
for
other
properties
that
are
doing
the
same
thing.
C
Did
you
say
that
it's
am
I
supposed
to
speak
or
no?
No,
we're
just
discussing
the
words?
Oh
sorry,
I'm,
sorry.
A
Yeah,
we'll
Reach
Out
all
right.
Does
anybody
have
any
rebuttals
for
comments
or
thoughts
on
that
or
under
your
own
thoughts.
E
Alignment
with
the
Joe
and
Mike
on
this
one
I
didn't
do
a
drive-by
on
the
property,
which
I
kind
of
regret
not
doing,
but
it
seems
like
the
whole
property
is
basically
just
surrounded
by
Australian
parking
lots.
So
I
don't
think
this
changes
the
character
of
the
parcel,
particularly
but
I'm
fine
with
it.
A
That
correct,
or
with
weekly
waving,
additionally
we'd
be
waving
an
additional
Apartments.
So
that
isn't
another
option
is
it
you
could
require
the
applicant
to
turn
it
back,
not
prove
it.
She
would
have
to
plant
grass
turn
it
back
into
yard
and
you
would
could
change
the
variance
to
be
for
that.
One
additional
spot
I
would
say
that
that
would
need
to
be.
That
is
a
different
request,
so
that
would
need
to
be
re-advertised
for
public
comments,
but
it
is
an
option.
A
Three
is
the
the
sole
reason
that
she
now
needs.
An
extra
spot
is
because
of
the
way
the
parking
is
pertaining,
the
occupancy
of.
Basically
that
corresponds
to
the
a
lot
of
efficiency.
Champions
eight
spots
right.
She
doesn't
need
stuff
and
we've
already
weighed
seven
right
so
previously,
so
the
the
parking
right
now
is
it's
currently
written
is
based
on
per
unit
rather
than
based
on
overall
bedrooms,
or
something
like
that.
So
if
you
do
reconfigure
like
this
to
make
smaller
units,
you
need
to
add
parking
or
receive
the
variants.
A
So
right
now,
right,
she's
not
required
to
have
two
additional
spots:
she's
required
to
have
one
which
the
group
configuration
is
approved.
But,
yes,
the
other
option
would
be
the
same.
We'd
rather
have
this
be
green
and
required
to
return
to
yard.
A
What
is
that?
Does
that
make
sense
to
you
or
that
that
makes
sense
to
me
that,
but
it's
a
different
variants
right
to
just
leave.
Well.
B
A
A
I
guess
the
way
I
look
at
it
is.
It
goes
back
to
the
problems
we're
having
in
our
3A
zones
as
a
whole,
the
750
square
foot
of
lot
coverage
per
unit-
it's
just
it's
and
it's
essentially
non-viable
to
that.
But
I
do
understand.
Coming
from
what
I
think
I
absolutely
I
hesitate
to
take
something
that's
been
in
use
for
so
long
and
then
we're
trying
to
make
those
onto
the
landscape
right.
A
A
E
E
F
C
I,
do
not
I
would
have
to
ask
Cornell
again,
I,
don't
think
there
was
anything
there,
it's
just
it's
just
dirt,
I,
don't
think
there
was
like
plants
or,
and
it's
it's
a
20
by
20
area.
Something
like
that.
A
F
D
D
F
More
recent
in
time
where
it's
like-
oh
hey,
I,
put
up
this
building
I
didn't
ask
for
anything.
It
turns
out
I'm
way
over
zoning.
That's
an
entirely
different
thing,
but
I
think,
given
the
length
of
time
that
it
appears
these
spots
have
been
in,
there
is
what's
kind
of
resolving
it.
For
some
of
me,
so.
D
B
A
I'll
make
a
motion,
so
the
environmental
review
do
I
need
to
address
that
or
do
I
just
need
to
mention
it's
here,
I'm
sure
that
everyone's
ready
but
I
remember
using
performance
entirety.
So
then
I
could
just
read
the
and
memorize
the
environmental
review
paragraph
there
and.
A
We've
considered
whether
an
undesirable
change
would
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
through
detriment
to
the
properties.
No
theatric,
the
applicant
is
composing.
The
converting
existing
five
unit,
multiple
12.,
with
13
bedrooms
to
a
seven
unit,
multiple
wall
or
12
veterans
to
propose
reconfiguration
requires
one
additional
op
street
parking
space.
The
applicant
proposes
to
meet
this
requirement
by
seeking
a
variance
for
two
unapproved
Target
spaces
that
were
constructed
by
previous
owner
and
required
near
inside
Dallas,
the
spaces
the
spaces
are
accessed
from
an
existing
driveway
on
the
adjacent
property.
A
Whether
there
is
a
benefits
sought
by
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
in
the
variance
know,
the
properties
existing
area
variances
for
current
media
configuration,
the
existing
configuration
May
remain
without
the
need
for
additional
variances.
The
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
there
are
no.
A
It
is
just
a
friendly
reminder.
It
is
a
you,
don't
necessarily
have
to
meet.
Every
I
mean
I.
Would
every
criteria
you
just
need
to
show
that
you're
weighing
okay,
everything
is
substantial.
This
is
not
a
substantial
variance
requests.
The
applicants
for
us
occurrence
in
additional
1500
square
feet.
The
properties
to
parking
spaces
are
located
on
the
side,
property
line.
A
And
we're
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood.
Now
will
the
bza,
acting
as
the
lead,
that's
conducted
appropriate
environmental
review
and
determine
the
proposed
will
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
it,
but
based
on
the
applicant's
testimonies,
there's
materials
observations
the
site
the
board
finds.
The
proposal
will
not
have
an
adverse
impact
on
a
physical
conditions
of
the
neighborhood
and
whether
the
alleged
Republican
was
self-created.
A
It
is
self-created
and
that
the
applicant
was
considered.
Reconfigured
exists
in
multiple
dwellings
that
are
permitted
by
previous
area
veterans.
However,
the
board
finds
the
benefits
of
the
applicant
limited
impact
on
the
neighborhood
outweighs
the
fact
faculty
stuff,
real,
quick.
E
A
Kirby,
yes
and
Mr
Harkin,
yes,
all
right,
so
that
motion
carries
four
to
one,
so
the
variance
has
been
approved.
I
will
be
getting
the
written
decision
out
to
you
within
the
next
few
days
and
sending
a
copy
to
the
code
inspectors
as
well.
So
you
will
be
looking
forward,
but
the
next
step
of
the
permitting
process.
D
A
Yeah
next
appeal
is
number
three:
two,
three
eight
four,
four
five
East
State
Street.
B
B
A
So
our
next
appeal,
three
two
three:
eight
for
445
East,
State,
Street,
Ithaca,
LLC
on
the
capital
property
owner
bbshf3,
Ithaca
LLC
for
an
area
of
variance
from
section
325,
a
column,
9,
maximum
Building,
height
and
feet
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
applicant
proposes
to
construct
a
new
seven-story
residential
building
on
the
property
located
at
445
East
State
Street
previously
addressed
401
East,
State
Street.
The
project
will
include
levels
of
structured
parking
that
will
serve
residents
of
the
building
as
well
as
surrounding
businesses.
I
mean
adjacent
to
a
site.
A
Other
components
of
the
project
include
reconstruction
of
the
Six
Mile
Creek,
Trail,
Landscaping,
seating,
pedestrian
lighting,
the
proposed
building
will
be
72
feet
and
seven
stories.
On
the
western
side,
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
building
will
meet
the
height
requirements
of
the
cbd60
Zone.
The
applicant
applied
for
a
maximum
Building
height
variance
in
June
2021,
which
was
BCA
number
3189
to
construct
the
entire
building
at
71
feet
in
height
Fallen
concerns
raised
by
BCA
members.
The
application
with
this
withdrawn
and
the
project
was
redesigned
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
cbd60
district.
A
This
project
was
granted
final
site
plan.
Approval
by
the
planning
and
development
board
on
August
24
2021,
the
applicant
is
now
seeking
the
current
variance
for
maximum
Building
height
requirement
for
a
portion
of
the
building
due
to
design
challenges
of
the
site
and
increased
construction
costs.
The
property
is
located
in
cbd60,
where
the
use
District
in
which
the
proposed
use
is
permitted.
A
So
whenever
the
account
is
ready,
you
have
five
minutes
and
please
present
your
appeal.
G
G
Yes,
good
to
see
some
of
you
again,
we
are
back
in
front
of
you
Megan
kind
of
went
through
the
history
of
the
project.
You
know
which
we
had
originally
envisioned
as
seven
stories
from
the
beginning,
which
we
do
required,
a
high
variance.
You
know,
given
the
unique
site
conditions,
probably
unlike
any
other
site
in
Ithaca.
G
You
know
we
felt
this
was
a
Justified
request.
Given
you
know
constraints
that
we
have
and
we'll
show
those
on
some
of
the
slides
we're
about
to
share
with
you
but
I'll.
You
know
kind
of
continue
the
history
of
the
project
as
we
went
back
to
six
stories
and
redesigned
just
given
some
constraints
and
timing
and
and
trying
to
get
the
project
up
and
going.
We
went
back
and
priced
the
project
at
the
end
of
last
year.
After
the
design
changes
were
made
to
hit.
G
You
know
some
challenges
with
Rising
construction
costs.
We
then
went
back
and
and
did
a
series
of
value
engineering
design
updates
to
try
to
minimize
you
know
the
cost
of
the
project
or
or
help
to
offset
them
and
reprice
the
project
in
May
of
this
year.
G
Only
to
to
have
you
know
the
same
challenges
and
additional
challenges
with
the
economic
climate
and
Rising
interest
rates
so
we're
you
know
very
interested
in
Ithaca
very
interested
in
this
project,
which
we
think
is
is
very
unique
and
serving
you
know,
a
desire
for
and
a
need
and
demand
for
housing
in
downtown.
G
We
we
want
to
get
this
going
and
the
variants
that
we're
requesting
is
modified
from
the
previous
request
in,
in
only
applying
to
half
the
building,
adding
additional,
reasonable
density.
Nothing
else
with
the
project
changes
that
has
been
approved
by
planning
board
the
footprint,
setbacks,
fire
and
access
lanes
and
parking
can't
even
is
is
static
from
the
approval
from
last
fall.
G
So
this
is
a
way
for
us
to
help
kind
of
reduce
our
average
cost
per
unit
and
gain
some
operating
efficiencies
and
and
do
so
in
context
with,
what's
around
us,
so
I'm
gonna,
my
two
team
members
here,
Brian
Bouchard
with
cha
engineering
and
then
Donnie
Kim
with
our
architect
Cooper
Carey
I'd
like
to
have
Donnie,
share,
slides
and
and
kind
of
take
you
through
the
project
just
to
orient
you
and
then
talk
more
about
any
questions
in
in
the
justifications.
As
we
see
them,
give
the
unique
characteristics
of
the
site.
D
A
H
H
B
B
H
Okay,
so
yes,
as
Jeff
mentioned,
this
is
the
project.
H
This
is
a
view
of
renderings
looking
at
it
from
the
East
Green
Street
side
I'll
quickly
go
over
the
exhibits,
you've
probably
seen
in
your
packet,
but
this
is
the
elevation
or
our
average
great
plane,
study
from
the
the
State
Street
side,
where
you
can
see
that
the
the
area
that
I'm
hovering
over
is
a
West
Wing,
where
we're
seeking
the
variance
of
additional
floor
and
most
of
the
East
Wing,
as
you
can
see,
is
you
know,
covered
by
the
Steep
gray,
that
we
have
and
you'll
see
that
more
as
we
go
through
the
size
sections?
H
And
you
see,
this
is
the
site
plan.
H
We
have
Six
Mile
Creek
to
the
South,
the
State
Street
to
the
North
and
East
Green
Street
to
the
west,
and
we
have
two
existing
Gateway
buildings
on
the
West
Side,
the
two
rectangles
here
and
and
where
a
mouse
is
that's
where
we're
demarcating
The
West
Wing
to
the
left
of
it,
and
the
East
Wing
to
the
right
I'll
quickly
go
through
floor
plans
on
the
top
is
the
lowest
floor
plan,
whereas,
as
you
come
in
from
the
Green
Street
with
the
creek
on
the
bottom,
here
you
have
the
amenity
and
the
fitness
center
on
the
left
and
it's
flanked
by
the
parking
deck,
that's
where
it
begins,
and
then
the
next
floor
down
or
next
floor
up
on
the
drawing
below
you
see
the
parking
deck
entry
in
the
dark,
arrows
and
they're
at
the
East
Wing.
H
Next
Floor
Up
is
on
the
top.
You
can
see
the
residential
units
starting
to
happen
at
the
West
End
and
we're
still
flanked
by
the
the
parking
deck
that
we
have.
The
East
Wing
stay
the
same
and
on
the
drawing
below
is
the
next
floor
up.
This
is
where
our
parking
deck
stops,
and
then
we
start
to
have
the
residential
units
wrap
around
the
parking
deck
and
top
is
the
next
floor
up
our
rest
third
floor
or
overall
fourth
floor.
H
This
is
an
elevation
on
the
top
is
looking
from
the
across
the
creek.
You
can
see
how
the
West
Wing
is
slightly
higher
than
the
East
Wing,
by
a
floor
and
on
the
bottom
is
in
the
center.
Is
the
north
elevation
from
the
State
Street
of
The
West
Wing?
So
you
can
see
here
on
the
right
side
of
this
Center
elevation
is
a
existing
building
the
Gateway
building.
That's
right!
H
This
is
a
site,
diagram
or
size,
section
diagram
cutting
through
the
the
creek
side.
So
you
can
see
here.
You
can
see
how
you
know
we
have
to
build
up
just
to
catch
up
with
the
grade
at
the
east
of
State
Street
side.
We
have
to
build
three
floors
of
parking,
and
this
is
where
we
start
to
stack
four
further
residential
above
it
and
across
the
river
too,
we're
significantly
lower
than
top
of
the
residential
the
houses
across
the
river.
H
The
creek
here
are
some
of
the
other
views
you
can
see
that
on
the
right
is
a
key
plan.
We
have
one
and
two
cutting
through
the
building
I'll
zoom
in
a
little
bit
so
one
you
can
see.
We
have
these
ins
and
outs
breaking
up
the
the
massing
of
the
building
so
that
it's
not
such
a
long
span
of
building.
H
But
if
you
were
to
see
the
two
section
Cuts
here
again
across
the
creek
a
pan
over
here,
you
can
see
that
you
know
we
have
the
average
grade
plane
at
432
feet,
so
we'll
be
70
about
72
feet
to
the
roof
level
and
perceived
the
60.
The
requirement
is
62,
so
this
is
where
we're
seeking
the
variance.
H
But
here
too
you
can
see
how
high
the
State
Street
is
compared
to
the
project,
and
while
we
had
to
be
so
high
above
the
State
Street
to
Daylight
the
units
along
the
State
Street
side,
foreign.
H
So
this
is
a
photo
simulation
of
placing
the
building
on
the
photos
that
we
took
on
site,
so
I'll
zoom
in
so
it's
better
to
see,
but
a
would
be
looking
at
it
from
the
entry
point
along
the
Green
Street
side
and
the
B
would
be
from
the
intersection
of
the
Green
Street
and
the
State
Street
and
C
would
be
looking
down
towards
the
from
top
of
the
State
Street.
H
So
you
know
so
all
in
the
front
is
the
existing
Gateway
building
here
and
because
of
the
sidelines
you
know,
Although,
our
building
is
I
believe
is
six
to
eight
feet
higher.
It
would
be
than
compared
to
the
existing
Gateway,
but
you
don't
really
feel
the
difference
as
you
with
the
with
the
approach
from
the
approach,
and
then
this
is
looking
up.
H
The
Straight
Street
at
the
intersection
of
State
Street
and
the
Green
Street
again
in
the
front
is
the
existing
Gateway
building
and
again
because
of
the
sight
lines
you
don't
really
see
the
the
height
of
it
and
you
can
see
how
in
the
back
I
could
zoom
in
here
further.
You
know
the
relationship
of
the
houses
and
and
our
building
our
project
and
how
there
is
not
really
that
much
difference.
H
G
H
A
A
G
Yeah,
it's
a
great
question.
Donna
and-
and
we've
had
this
question
before
and
I'll
summarize
it
for
you,
we're
providing
238,
total
parking
spaces
and
that's
replacing
what
was
well
currently
in
the
surface
slot.
A
hundred
and
I
think
it's
52
spaces
that
existed
to
serve
the
Gateway
Center
office,
building
the
BSI
building
and
then
the
the
Gateway
Commons
apartment
building,
what
the
so
not
that
we're
replacing
those
one
for
one,
but
it
is
relevant
in
the
238
spaces.
G
We
are
parking
at
this
project,
Gateway
Center
in
Gateway
Commons
and
the
ratio
that
we
would
have
available
to
our
own
residents
is
about
0.3
and
the
relevance
of
that
number.
So
one
space
for
you
know,
let's
call
it
every
three
residents,
it's
a
metric
that
we've
been
kind
of
evaluating
of
the
comparable
properties
in
Ithaca
the
city
center
as
an
example,
and
it's
the
same
ratio
that
they
have.
Even
though
it's
not
a
requirement.
G
We
know
that
there's
a
practical
need-
and
you
know
in
in
all
projects
that
we
develop.
You
know
we're
trying
to
be
mindful
of
what
you
know.
Not
only
the
requirement
is,
but
what
we
really
think
we
need
to
operate
properly
effectively,
and
so
you
know
we
deem
this
to
be
the
the
right
property
or
the
right
parking
ratio
for
air
needs
and
in
our
ability
to
serve
Gateway
Center
and
in
the
Gateway
Commons
apartment
building
and
based
on
actual
ratios
of
existing
properties
in
their
performance
in
in
downtown
Ithaca.
G
So
that's,
you
know,
quick
analysis
and
the
other
is
even
if
we
didn't
have
parking
here
in
order
to
get
the
residential
units
to
Daylight
along
North,
State
Street
they've
got
to
be
elevated
by
something
and
so
those
units.
If
they
were
at
ground
level,
you
know
would
be
facing.
G
You
know
the
new
cities,
the
new
city,
retaining
wall
That's
supporting
State
Street,
would
be
you
know
almost
uninhabitable
condition
for
those
units
up
against
the
wall
and
we'd
have
you
know,
I
think
challenges
in
leasing
those
and
it
just
wouldn't
be
a
you
know,
a
preferred
design.
So
it
was
really
a
good
fit
to
get
units
up
and
above
the
retaining
wall
and
to
provide.
You
know
what
we
need
to
be
a
parking
inappropriate,
parking
quantity.
Given
you
know
the
number.
D
G
G
Is
yeah
I've
got
the
numbers
here
and
they're,
not
because
my
fingertip
It's
actually
an
additional
you're
right?
Well,
I'm!
Sorry,
it's
an
additional
45
Apartments
and
the
resident
or
call
it
bedroom
count
goes
from
483
bedrooms
to
541
bedrooms.
A
E
G
Well,
I'll
I'll
state
it
to
you
this
way,
it's
it's
yet
to
be
fully
validated
if
I
go
based
on
prior
cost
per
foot
of
the
you
know
the
most
recent
pricing
for
the
original
design
and
then
I
extrapolate
that
to
this
design.
You
know
with
a
little
bit
of
adjustments
because
you
know
we're
adding
levels
that
have
a
lesser.
You
know,
you're.
B
G
E
And
thinking
about
alternative
ways
to
make
the
financials
work,
you
know
I
understand
the
argument
that
having
a
bunch
of
units
facing
a
retaining
wall
is
the
challenge
and
kind
of
confused
why
the
parking
was
put
on
The
West
Wing,
instead
of
you
swing,
seems
to
be
you
know,
given
the
slope,
you
know
he
moved
it
to
the
U
swing
versus
the
Western.
You'd
have
more
units
and
then
I'm
sure
that
this
is
related
to
the
planning
board.
E
Sorry
you'd
have
fewer
units
facing
the
retaining
wall
and
I'm
sure
this
is
related
to
the
planning
board,
but
you
know
you've
obviously
chopped
up
the
building
with
the
gaps
there
I
I
believe
in
order
to
create
you
know,
planning
words
comment
about
it
being
done
this
monolithic,
but
if
you
filled
in
those
gaps
there
with
Apartments,
you
know,
are
we
threading?
You
know
part
of
this
45
unit.
Needle
here
you
know,
I
we
had
I
know.
E
G
Well,
let's,
let's
start
with
your
first
question
on
parking
and
Dottie:
maybe
go
to
the
go
to
the
floor
plan.
G
Okay,
that's
a
good
one
right
there.
If
you
look
at
that
top
view
and
you
think
of
the
west
wing
and
the
depth
of
the
West
Wing
or
the
west
side
of
the
site
versus
the
east
side
of
the
site,
you
would
not
get
these
two.
You
know
which
are
two
sixty-foot
parking
trays
on
the
East
Wing.
You
wouldn't
have
enough
depth
between
the
property
line,
the
setback
from
the
Creek
Walk
In
The
Fire
Lane.
G
So
you
really
couldn't
do
that
and
then
so
you
would
be
left
with
a
single
level
of
parking
and
and
you
wouldn't
have
a
real
easy
way
to
ramp
to
the
next
level.
So
the
parking
is
optimized
In,
The,
West
Wing,
because
you
have
a
you
know:
two
separate
trays
and
a
ramp
that
allows
you
circulation
so
and
and
trust
me
when
I
say
we've
looked
at
in
Donnie
has
been
tasked
with
looking
at
many
thousands
of
iterations
of
this
to
optimize.
G
You
know
locations
of
everything
in
including
parking,
and
this
was
deemed
not
only
the
best
location
but
wow.
It
was
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
get
the
residential
units
to
grade
on
the
you
know
the
State
Street
side,
so
it
had
two
purposes,
one.
It
was
where
it
should
be
located
and
two
would
help
raise
the
residential
floors
to
to
Daylight.
G
The
next
question
is
on
infill
of
these
courtyards,
and
actually
that
would
be
counterproductive,
that
the
courtyards
allow
us
to
have
greater
surface
area
and
exposed
exterior
wall,
and
so
that
actually
enhances
and
again
Donnie
went
through
thousands
of
iterations
on
optimizing.
The
floor
plans
for
maximum
density-
and
this
is
how
it
was
accomplished
by
creating
these
Courtyards
you're,
giving
exterior
wall
to
a
greater
number
of
units
that
if
this
was
just
a
straight
line,
you
would
have
been
deep,
deep
units
without
the
ability
to
Daylight
or
interior
units.
A
Did
you
consider
in
going
for
a
variance?
Did
you
consider
the
request
for
extra
height
on
the
other
side
of
the
building
right,
the
one
that's
hitted
by
the
the
steeper
grade
on
State
Street,
so
in
the
rear
of
your
project,
rather
than
the
one?
That's
the
one
that
proposing
that.
G
Yeah
we
looked
in
both
scenarios,
you
know
I
mean
there's
really
three
scenarios.
You
know,
there's
a
variance
across
all
of
the
building.
There's
variants.
You
know:
Across
The,
West
Wing,
as
we're
showing
tonight
are
variants
across
the
East
wing
and
in
our
opinion,
the
variants
or
the
additional
height
of
The
West
Wing
felt
better
contextually.
G
Given
you
know
it's
very
similar
to
the
height
of
Gateway
Center.
So
you
know
there
was
just
a
consistent
elevation
there.
The
other
is
it.
You
know
was
helpful.
You
know
we
think
visually,
because
even
with
an
additional
floor
on
the
East
Wing,
you
still
wouldn't
get
much
exposure
to
State
Street
because
it's
you
know
still
back
behind
the
hill
in
large
part
and
so
the
transition
we
thought
was
more
logical,
going
west
to
east,
where
you're
stepping
down
as
it
becomes.
G
You
know
a
little
more
I'm
not
going
to
call
it
residential,
but
it
is,
you
know
it's
a
little
more
pristine
and
you're
going
up
into
the
gorge,
and
so
we
we
made
the
determination
that
The,
West
Wing
was
the
best
fit.
The
other
is
the
vertical
transportation
in
the
West
Wing.
You
have
two
elevator
cores
and
you
know
the
parking
below,
so
you
know
it
made
access.
G
A
Yeah,
so
how
should
oh
there?
It
is
that's
what
I
want
to
see.
So,
if
you're
you're
not
measuring,
let's
see
if
you're
just
looking
at
the
new
Building
compared
to
the
existing
I,
think
it's
okay.
They
come
into
the
moods
of
moving
companies
yeah.
So
if
you're,
just
looking
at
that
from
the
street
level,
what's
the
height
difference,
I
mean,
if
you're
not
thinking
about
one
being
deeper
than
the
other.
B
D
A
B
G
A
D
B
H
H
So
here
here
are
some
of
the
renderings
I
mean
you
can
see
the
one
on
top.
It
doesn't
really
show
the
other
side
with
the
existing
Gateway
Commons.
H
B
A
A
G
Well,
we
stated
earlier,
given
the
history
of
this
I
mean
we
took
the
six
story
building
it
was
approved
by
planning
board
as
designed
to
to
the
market
to
price
it,
and
we
had
you
know
preliminary
budgets
along
the
way
that
you
know
were
making.
G
Us
as
we
got
you
know,
final
numbers
at
the
end
of
21..
They
were
well
in
excess
of
what
we
were
anticipating,
and
so
we
we
couldn't
red
ground
at
that
point
in
in
January
of
2022,
which
we
had
expected,
and
that
was
our
original
plan.
So
we
we
regrouped,
we
paused.
We
went
back
and
studied
the
building
and
revised
some
things
to
help.
You
know
to
reduce
costs.
G
G
It
didn't
yield
the
results
that
we
were
hoping
for
and
we
were
almost
in
the
same
position
and
you
compound
that
with
Rising
interest
rates,
and
you
know
lower
availability
or
lesser
availability
of
construction
debt
financing.
It
was
a
perfect
storm
that
we
we
weren't
able
to
start
the
project
in
May
is,
is
we
were
then
hoping
to
as
we
paused
in
January?
So
we
then,
this
summer,
we've
studied
a
number
of
Alternatives
and
we
have
looked
at
converting
this
building
to
Wood,
which
we
did
was
cheaper
than
light
gauge
metal
and
concrete.
G
There's
fire
access
issues
and
doing
that
with
the
current
design
we've.
You
know
we
just
looked
at
a
number
of
scenarios.
The
only
one
that
is
is
really
practical
and-
and
we
think
it's
very
appropriate-
is
to
come
back
with
the
variants
and
that's
what
we're
back
in
front
of
you
and
again
it's
a
lesser
variance,
ask
than
the
original,
and
but
it
does
help
and
I'm
going
to
answer
your
question.
You'd
ask
about
the
reduction
and
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
a
percentage.
G
The
reduction
in
average
cost
per
unit,
with
the
variance
and
without
the
variance
is,
is
around
five
percent,
and
that's
it's
a
big
construction
number.
So
that's
a
meaningful
difference
to
the
overall
cost
of
the
project
and
and
and
that's
you
know,
a
big
motivator
for
the
variance
request.
We
want
to
get
this
project
going
guys.
We
want
to
get
get
it
under
construction,
we
wouldn't
be
coming
back
to
you.
Had
we
been
able
to
do
that
and
with
the
six-story
building,
but
we
have
not.
E
G
We
would
have
to
go
back
to
the
Ida,
because
this
would
modify
the
unit
count.
It's
not.
It
actually
is
not
dramatically
different
from
the
original
Ida
approval,
but
we
went
back
and
amended
the
Ida
approval
after
we
got
the
approval
for
the
smaller
project.
The
original
idea
approval
assumed
that
the
variance
was
going
to
get
approved
and
that
we
had
the
full
seven
stories
across
all
of
the
ability.
You
know
the
entire
building
so
I'm
hoping
that
it's,
you
know
a
fairly
straightforward
revision,
but
it
would
need
to
get
amended.
G
Well,
we've
got
the
potential
again
if
we
can
get
through
the
variance
process.
We've
got
to
go
in
and
update
designs
to
reflect
this
additional
floor.
You
know
we
we're
trying
to
create
a
pathway.
The
background
in
March
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
dependencies
for
that
to
happen,
but
if
we
are
able
to
break
ground
in
March,
this
gives
us
the
ability
to
open
this
project
in
the
call
it
late
summer
of
2025
and
that's
been
our
Target
with
you
know
the
pause
here
that
that
is
our
new
delivery.
Target.
A
A
And
then,
overall
width
and
overall
length
of
the
of
the
section
that
you're
asking
today.
A
H
Sure
so,
overall
width
is
about
120
feet
because
of
the
parking
trade.
If
you
think
of
the
the
parking
trays
here,
I'll
go
to
the
floor
plans,
so
the
overall
width
of
the
project
here
this
is
about
120
feet
overall
right
and
then
overall
length
is
634
feet
roughly
and
then
the
West
swings
about
54
of
it,
which
is
at
about
350
feet
slightly
less
but
give
or
take
foreign.
G
A
D
A
And
then
you're,
citing
the
financial
need
for
this?
What
if
you
were
to
get
your
variants,
which
are
there
for
get
your
extra
units?
What
is
your
added
I
mean
how
much
annualized
revenue
do
you
think
that
will
let
the
projectile.
G
A
We'll
just
open
up
the
public
hearing
for
public
comment
and
get
that
out
of
the
way.
Okay,
so
I
have
one
written
comment
from
Gary
Ferguson
of
the
downtown
Ithaca
Alliance.
There's
a
interesting
party
in
terms
of
being
a
representative
of
the
the
name
of
the
civic
association
that
was
in
the
packet.
Does
anyone
want
me
to
read
that
for
Craig,
I
also
have
comments
from
the
planning
board
in
the
ilpc
and.
A
A
So
the
painting
Works
comment
is
on
the
I've
got
on
here
of
the
draft
decision,
so
the
board
finds
many
long.
Positive,
long-term
planning
impacts
with
this
proposal
supports
the
appeal.
The
board
further
finds
this
building
with
the
high
quality
materials
well
along
with
Iron
Works,
make
a
nice
bookend
on
the
other
side
to
the
city.
The
planning
board
has
worked
with
the
applicant
over
many
months,
including
going
through
the
design
that
you
process
to
refine
the
design
and
minimize
the
perceived
massive
height.
A
This
is
documented
in
the
feas
part
3
narrative,
particularly
in
the
sections
pertaining
to
impact,
aesthetic
resources
and
impact
of
historic
resources.
The
board
balanced
some
of
the
following
factors:
one
was
architectural
changes
made
by
the
applicant
to
reduce
the
mass
and
scale
of
the
building,
including
changing
construction
types
of
the
width
of
the
fire.
A
Lane
could
be
reduced,
adding
a
terrorist
planting
area,
facade
modulation
on
the
south
elevation
or
Creekside,
reducing
the
height
of
the
parapet
and
changing
material,
colors
and
application
on
the
North
elevation,
The
West
Wing
posed
as
seven
stories,
whereas
the
E
string
is
proposed
to
six
stories,
which
creates
an
undulating
route
line.
The
six
door
side
of
the
building
is
nearest
to
the
residential
areas
and
the
Seven
stories
closer
to
downtown
to
the
topographically
minimizes
the
look
of
the
building
from
the
public
way.
A
For
you,
the
width
of
the
building
is
dictated
by
the
dimensional
requirements
of
the
internal
parking
decks,
meaning
there
is
little
flexibility
to
make
the
building
narrower.
The
parking
program
has
benefits
to
the
general
public,
as
it
is
preferable
to
surface
parking,
increases
the
parking
Supply
in
the
downtown
core
without
City
investment
and
potentially
relieves
pressure
from
the
existing
city-owned
downtown
garages.
A
The
applicant
has
worked
with
the
fire
chief
to
devise
a
layout
that
allows
for
trees
and
other
Landscaping
to
be
planted
in
front
of
the
building,
as
well
as
in
a
five
foot
planting
strip
between
the
road
and
the
trail.
Although
five
feet
is
not
ideal,
structural
soil
will
be
used
to
provide
adequate
soil
volumes
for
successful
growth.
The
road
also
incorporates
areas
of
stamped
concrete
for
variation
in
interest
and
to
create
a
plaza-like
feeling
they
enhanced
Public,
Access
and
Trail
into
city
property
is
a
great
benefit
to
the
community.
A
In
this
document,
the
Ithaca
landmarks
preservation
commission
conducted
an
advisory
view
of
the
revised
445
East
State
Street
project
previously
addresses
401
East
State
Street.
The
project
site
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
National
register
listed
in
locally
designated
East
Hill
historic
district.
It
has
the
potential
to
impact
these
historic
resources.
This
project
was
previously
reviewed
by
the
Commission
in
January
2021
in
the
attached
comments
were
submitted
to
the
planning
board.
At
that
time.
A
With
respect
to
the
current
proposal,
the
commission
was
not
supportive
of
the
request
to
increase
the
height
on
the
western
half
of
the
building
from
six
to
seven
stories.
They
noted
the
following
concerns:
the
approved
product
is
already
out
of
scale
with
all
of
its
surrounding
properties.
In
the
additional
height
will
exacerbate
this
condition
in
the
added
height
will
further
compromise
important
view
sheds
of
the
Six
Mile
Creek
gorge
in
South
Hill
from
East
State
Street
in
the
Eastchester
Hill
historic
district,
pulling
up
the
memo
from
foreign.
A
January
2021
is
quite
commonly.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
so
it
was,
and
I
will
distribute
this
and
it
is
our
again.
This
is
from
January
2021
talks
about
size,
scale
and
massing
materiality
form
and
detailing
industrial
design.
A
A
A
G
I've
got
the
stats
and
I
think
it's
better
to
convey
them
as
a
percentage
where
the
additional
units
have
a
five
percent,
lower
total
cost
per
unit.
The
additional
units
increase
our
rental,
effective
gross
income
by
12
percent
over
the
the
base
case,
so
combination
of
a
lower
average
cost
per
unit,
plus
a
higher
rental
or
effective
gross
income
you
know
is,
is
helping
to
you
know
kind
of
Advance
the
project
in
its
underwriting.
E
I
mean
it
seems
like
we
had
an
approved
project
in
2021.
They
went
to
the
Ida.
You
know
I'm,
looking
at
the
project
agreement
with
the
Ida,
which
is
12,
30,
December,
29,
2021,
tax
abatement,
six-story
building
and
then
we've
gone
through.
You
know
they
reassessed
based
on
financials,
and
things
like
that.
E
You
know
I'm
kind
of
interested
to
get
idea.
Comment
on
this,
because
I've
never
seen
a
project
at
least
I,
don't
think
we've
seen
a
project,
that's
gone
through.
You
know
that
already
has
a
group
of
tax
abatement
and
goes
back
to
get
an
additional
variance
to
make
the
financials
on
the
project
better.
So
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
General
prove
you
or
not,
but
I'm
kind
of
curious
about
that,
and
it
seems
like
the
time
frame
on
this
project
at
all
as
a
whole.
E
Is
you
know,
we've
we've
had
other
developers
that
are,
you
know,
there's
a
project
that
is
on
the
it's
up
in
college
town,
where
they're
purposely
not
getting
trying
to
get
a
variance
or
anything
like
that,
so
they
can
build
as
fast
as
possible
and
this
this
project
I
mean.
Admittedly
the
scale
is
very
vague,
but
I
I
have
moments.
In
the
back
of
my
mind,
you
know
kind
of
interested
in
thinking
about
a
variance,
it's
time-bound.
So
it's
a
you
know
if
they
break
ground
in
one
age,
2023
forehead,
but.
E
A
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
with
the
Ida
and
they
have
talent
regarding
contributions
to
the
housing
fund
and
I
know
that
that
also
purchased.
You
know
protruded,
so
I
I
think
as
you
break
this
down,
there's
two
sides
to
the
argument
that
arguing
topography
so
they're
arguing
a
unique
land.
You
know
if
it's
training
and
then
they're
also
making
a
financial
hardship
case
which
we
can
analyze
and
we
can
ask
for
information.
A
So
I
think
there's
those
two
things
and
there's
also
just
an
operator
component
here
and
and
I.
Just
fundamentally,
don't
know
if
the
issue
at
hand
is
a
land
use
issue
that
meets
the
criteria
for
Relief
and
that
approach
to
our
criteria.
I
I
think
it's
a
good
building.
I'm
really
excited
for
what
it's
going
to
do
in
terms
of
adding
the
density
downtown
and
adding
against
the
court.
A
But
I
was
also
very
pleased
when
they
came
back
after
stating
the
BCA
the
first
time
that
we
cannot,
under
any
circumstances,
make
a
project
work
here
and
then
at
the
next
plan
board
that
had
a
revised
meeting
or
revised
project
was
only
so.
I
was
pleased
when
the
project
got
its
approval
as
a
fully
confined
project
to
the
full
scope
of
the
property
rights.
A
Even
with
half
of
the
the
building
in
compliance
with
the
cw-60
is
still
is
still
a
substantial
ask.
If
you
look
at
the
overall,
would
you
like
the
volume
I
think
it's
self-created
in
terms
of
viable
Alternatives,
we've,
never
analyzed
an
impellent
before
that
has
an
approved
stamp
to
shovel
ready
project
on
a
parcel
of
land.
A
That's
closed
the
transaction
to
purchased
it
and
not
normally
transaction,
and
you
know
their
possession
of
it
so
in
terms
of
viable
alternatives,
they're
ready
to
go
I
just
it
gets
murky
when
this
board
becomes
the
the
deciding
component
has
to
you
know
who
gets
to
navigate
what
interest
rate
I
just
don't
think!
That's
our
deal!
A
That's
where
the
idea
or
some
other
or
perhaps
common
council
at
that
point
can
say
all
right.
Well
now
the
economy
is
different.
Maybe
we
should
really
look
at
some
of
these
zones.
If
you
know
we're
getting
this
up
in
college
town,
where
developers
are
saying
well,
we
really
can't
build
a
project
that
complies
with
zoning
right
because
of
the
cost
of
land
which
you're
seeing
in
this
case.
A
You
know
12
million
land
acquisition,
so
some
of
those
arguments
I
think
you'll
see
more
and
more,
but
that's
where
my
head,
that
I
still
have
faith
that
they
can
do
their
projects
required.
A
A
A
Idea,
yeah
I'm,
not
sure
I,
think
maybe
you
need
to
think
about
it
separately
from
that
and
thinking
about
me,
because
someone
could
come
in
in
the
same
position
without
going
through
the
Ida
process
at
all,
so
I
think
that
has
to
be
considered
separately.
I
think
it
has
the
benefit
that
the
applicants
had
some
financial
information
where
I
need
to
share,
which
we
often
don't
see
but
other
side
than
that
I.
Don't
think
we
can
weigh
in
well
whether
the
Ida
process
is
going
to
be
at
this
point
for
the
land
use
decision,
I.
F
E
E
You
know
I
wasn't
on
this
board
when
it
was
first
proposed
I,
don't
I
think
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
I
think
this
seven
story
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
I'm,
just
confused
by
the
fact
that
there
was
an
improved
project,
which
you
know
you.
You
have
a
pilot.
E
You
know
you
have
a
project
agreement
with
the
Ida
is
saying
that
you're
going
to
build
a
six-story
building,
all
the
financials
of
agreement
are
based
on
a
six-story
building,
and
then
you
know
my
understanding
of
that
is
that
you
sit
down
with
them
and
you
work
through
financials
with
them
and
now
exposed
to
adding
up.
You
know
a
bunch
of
economic
benefit
to
the
building,
which
seems
to
impact
that
and
I
you
know,
I
would
make
a
little
engagement
from
them
on
this
yeah
that
that's
my
only
question.
G
Yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
the
idea
approval
original
approval
was
for
a
seven-story
building
and
when
we
couldn't
get
through
or
withdrew
the
variants,
we
went
back
to
the
Ida
at
the
end
of
last
year
and
actually
into
January
of
this
year
to
downsize
the
request.
So
you
know
we
we
did
that
voluntarily,
you
know.
Had
we
not,
we
would
have
kept.
You
know
the
Ida
approval
with
the
seven
stories
and
at
that
time
is
352
units.
G
This
change
would
not
have
deemed
going
from
352
to
376
would
not
have
been
it.
It
wouldn't
have
been
greater
than
10,
which
is
the
threshold
that
would
require
a
visit
back
to
the
Ida
board.
So
you
know
in
a
way
we
we
kind
of
we
downsized
it.
When
we
probably
shouldn't
have
we
think
we
were
going
to
surmount
you
know
these
challenges,
so
you
know
I
just
want
that
context
to
be
known.
A
I
think
I
think
for
our
part,
we
should
just
keep
it.
You
know
to
the
criteria
that
we
have
in
our
purview,
so
I
think
go
through
it,
analytically,
based
on
the
five
criteria
right
so.
A
Whether
an
undesirable
change
will
be
produced
compared
I,
don't
wanna
read
too
much.
You
know
unless
I'm
making
a
motion
but
I
would
I
would
just
punch
through
it
at
that
lens
right,
so
undesirable
change
planning
boards
in
favor
of
it,
but
they
were
also
in
favor
of
the
first
one
and
stamped
it
iopc
they
have
concerns
about.
They
have
concerns
about
the
massing
of
the
structure
and
its
new
rendition.
A
A
So
that's
the
intention
of
that
area
benefits
off
of
the
repellent
due
by
feasible
alternative
they're,
claiming
a
financial
gain
right.
So
it's
essentially
use
exception
to
achieve
a
higher
Financial
return,
but
you
know
subsidizing
the
project
of
that
effect.
On
top
of
substance,
are
we
rendered
substantial
120
feet
by
350
feet
by
10
feet,
so
a
total
volume
of
420
000
square
feet,
substantial
in
my
opinion,
found
okay,
yeah
I?
Don't
need
to
look
on
the
list,
but
if
anybody
wants
to
me.
E
You
know,
and
then
I
mean
I'm,
mainly
just
thinking
about
a
feasible
Alternatives
I.
You
know
I
think
if
it's
demonstrated
that
you
know
like
I,
think
the
fact
that
there's
not
seven
stories
on
both
sides
to
me
is
kind
of
telling
that
there
is
somewhat
of
a
limited
approach
that
we're
doing
this,
because
we
need
this.
But
you
know
in
order
for
me
to
feel
comfortable
that
there's
not
a
feasible
alternative
yeah
if
I
was
comfortable,
then
there's
no
feasible
alternative.
I
would
probably
look
for
it,
but
I
won.
E
A
Donor,
your
thoughts,
yeah,
aren't
you
I'm
only
torn
I
mean
it's
not
it's
a
massive
development
even
within
even
without
a
variance
it's
massive.
So
the
question
is
how
much
how
objection?
What
is
that
then,
from
the
street
view
people
get
it
from
the
street?
It
looks
to
be
a
four
foot
difference,
but
all
the
offer,
the
greatest
bands
but
the
big
question
and
they
already
utilize
and
they
are
making
housing
on
a
vastly
underutilized
spot,
but
they're
already
getting
tax
abatement
and
it's
my
understanding
is
it's
all
market
rate,
housing,
no
affordable
housing.
A
B
A
Really
torn
by
there's
some
benefits
but
I
question:
if,
if
the
benefit
the
benefit
is
not
to
the
community,
the
benefit
is
to
the
Developers
to
increase
their
financial
experience.
So
I
think
those
of
you
who
have
made
this
point
right
that
we
need
to
know
if
it's
necessary
to
have
is
it
necessary
to
make
a
profit
or
is
it
a
loser?
Project
without
it
I
mean
that's.
We
kind
of
need
that
information
to
make
a
decision.
A
I
think,
isn't
that
what
you're
saying
yeah
I
think
the
benefits
of
there's
benefits
to
the
community
in
constructing
it
absolutely
I
think
there's
benefits
to
constructing
the
way
it
is,
and
the
community
will
still
gain
I'm,
just
yeah
I,
actually
like
the
building,
but
I
just
I'm,
just
going
off
towards
what
I
think
is
here.
I
think
it
is
necessary
for
them
to
turn
a
profit
I'm,
not
denying
anybody
that.
Oh,
oh,
no,
but.
D
A
Big,
that's
what
I
mean,
of
course,
right
right!
That's
I,
don't
know
where
you
can
allowed
to
just
we're
the
ones
to
decide
that
I
don't
know
right.
Joe,.
F
So
from
the
get-go
I
was
just
running
the
list,
because
I
think
that's
what
really
we're
supposed
to
be
doing.
This
is
a
fun
one,
because
you
could
you
could
push
either
either
way.
Any
of
them
really
easily
like
undesirable
change
would
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
Well,
it's
a
massive
building,
but
also
it's
a
massive
building
with
tons
of
amenities
in
it
benefit
sought,
feasible,
alternative,
there's,
maybe
a
feasible
alternative
right
there,
but
also,
maybe
not
I,
don't
think
we
can
actually
answer
that.
One
at
this
Point.
F
Whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial,
I'll
push
back
a
little
Dave
on
using
like
total
volume
and
that
kind
of
square
footage,
I,
don't
think
when
we've
looked
at
height
variances
before
we've
looked
at
that
kind
of
total
size
of
it
and
have
looked
at
the
actual
just
like
this
is
how
much
you're
allowed.
This
is
the
difference
if
I
call
it
a
day.
F
F
Again,
it's
a
huge,
huge,
huge
thing.
The
pictures
that
show
that
it
stays
pretty
even
top
to
bottom
I
think
helps
alleviate
it.
But
again
you
can
push
it
and
self-create
it
yeah,
it's
uncreated,
they're
all
separated,
but
this
one's
I
think
particularly
created.
F
So
it's
one
of
those
things
where
there's
a
couple.
We
can't
answer,
or
it's
harder
to
answer
I
think
there's
some
background
noise
going
on
about
just
the
overall
size
of
the
project
compared
to
what
actually
fits
within
the
criteria.
A
A
D
A
A
A
A
But
I
can
understand
the.
A
You
know:
okay,
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
hearing
too
so
I
think
we've
got
two
options.
You
can
either
vote
on
this
or
we
would
hope
to
table
it
in
the
hopes
of
getting
more
information,
but
we
have
to
be
very
clear
as
to
you
know
what
the
purpose
of
tabling
this
is
right.
A
When
we
get
numbers,
do
we
get
a
projected
p
l
statement
on
the
property
they're?
Basically,
they
have
a
stamped
ready,
approved
project
with
a
pro
forma
yeah
at
this
height
and
it's
fully
compliant
scale,
and
now
they're
saying
this
one
is
what's
going
to
tip
the
ice.
You
know
tip
the
scales
and
we'll
be
able
to
do
it.
So
then
you
basically
have
the
delta,
and
in
this
case
it's
you
know,
it's
a
question
also
well
yeah.
A
Maybe
I
think
there's
value
in
seeing
that,
but
again
it's
whether
or
not
it
also
gets
Maxes
to
the
criteria.
So
when
I'm
not
sure
you
think,
if
you
do
decide
to
ask
for
any
additional
information,
it
might
be
helpful
to
have
the
city
a
training
weigh
in
on
some
of
the
questions
the
board
has
asked
today
about
the
relationship
between
them,
the
criteria
and
the
numbers
and
the
point
that
you're
raised
into
and
how
much
policy
decisions.
A
A
A
A
I
I
think
so,
but
I'm
wondering
what
further
information
we're
going
to
ask
here.
I
mean
there's
already
the
fact
that
they
already
got
a
tax
debate.
That
means
there's
some
there's
already
evidence
of
financial
hardship
right.
A
That's
the.
A
One
that
comes
with
coming
into
a
hardship:
okay,
it
comes
with
incentive,
really
yeah.
A
A
Obviously,
they
had
an
improved
project
and
it
was
shovel
ready
or
they
closed
on
the
deal
and
there's
some
numbers
out
there
that
they're
comfortable.
They
were
at
one
point
comfortable
with
really.
We
just
have
to
see
what
the
new
numbers
are,
and
this
can
be
a
fairly
simple
calculation
and
if
they
haven't
made
it
I've,
been
pretty
absolutely
shocked.
D
E
Mean
I
I
just
want.
You
know,
I
agree
that
interest
rates
have
gone
up
a
ton
in
the
last
year
and
that
the
financials
of
this
project
have
been
greatly
impacted
by
that
I
just
want
to
know
from
the
idea
how
much
of
that
was
sort
of
included
in
their.
You
know,
conversations
in
December
and
commentary
from
the
city
attorney
if
I
can
even
consider
that
in
my
decision,
I
think
historically,
when
I've
looked
at
other
projects,
I
think
has
been.
You
know,
favorable
to
arguments
of
typography
impacts,
the
building
and
I.
A
Improvement
I
think
we
should
make
our
decision
actually
I.
Think
that
the
way
the
appellant
navigated,
the
idea
is
part
of
why
they're
in
the
position
they're
in
now,
but
that's
neither
you
know,
that's
an
operator
concern
in
terms
of
drawing
it
out
and
now
you
know
the
economy
shifted
again.
Is
that
a
land
use
question
that
you
have
curve
you
over
and
I
I
argue
that
you
know
I.
A
A
Roi
calc,
it's
also
based
on
demo.
If
you
have
it's
like
for
10
years,
it's
10
cash
on
cash
return
or
less.
So
it's
a
very
favorable
metric,
it's
more
geared
toward
development
which
we
need
and
we
need
the
housing
and
that
you
know
again,
I'm
just
differentiating
between
the
two
I.
Just
don't
ultimately
feel
at
least
my
perspective,
at
least
for
tonight,
but
they've
demonstrated
the
criteria
for
Relief,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
come
to
a
motion
now,
everybody
know
I
can
make
that
motion.
A
B
E
It
if
the
City
attorney
you
know
says
we
can
I
want
to
see
what
information
is
out
there
and
you
know
rationalizing
the
financial
hardship
argument.
Yeah,
that's
what
I
want
to
see,
but
there
is
a
hillside.
It's
a
major
challenge.
E
You
know
it's
not
a
unique
challenge
in
building
an
Ithaca,
but
it
is
a
major
Challenge
and
you
know
I
think
they
have
done
some
real
work
coming
up
with
different
iterations
of
this
site
to
try
to
make
it
work
within
zoning.
You
know
I
wasn't
on
the
board
before
it
is.
You
know
interesting
to
come
to
the
board
and
say
we
can't
do
this
without
a
second
floor.
A
That
was
what
I
was
going
to
bring
up
next,
so
perfect,
I
hear
we
need
I,
hear
from
several
board
members
wanting
some
inputs
on
this
relationship
between
financial
information
and
the
zoning
decision
that
we
would
like
to
get
some
feedback
from
the
city's
attorney.
I
hear
the
board.
A
If
so,
that
I
think
is
step
one
and
then,
depending
on
that
information,
it
seems
like
we
will
need
to
follow
up
with
the
applicant
to
see
what
information
regarding
financial
information
that
they're
willing
I
mean
they've
heard
the
discussion
that
they're
willing
to
share
and
then
we'll
go
from
there
and
I'll
keep
the
board
updated
as
I
hear
from
you,
and
do
we
want
any
additional,
more
concrete
information
on
what's
changed
since
they
received
their
approval.
Enclosed
is.
B
B
A
They
had
a
six-story
building
approved
forward,
correct
yeah,
yeah
I
would
say
that
board
members
should
be
able
to
look
at
that
and
then,
if
you
get
any
pro
forma
or
whatever
they
provide
at
the
difference,
that
would
help
the
colleague
or
perform
your
decisions.
G
G
We
went,
and
you
know
another
round
in
trying
to
do
that
this
spring
and
have
the
same
issue
and
so
we're
trying
to
make
this
project
work
and-
and
that's
why
we're
you
know
asking
for
the
variance
in
addition
to
the
hardships
I
mean
this
is
again
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
site
like
this
at
Ithaca
and
if
you
were
measuring
the
average
grade
plane
differently,
then
that
it
is
currently
prescribed
and
calculated
you.
G
You
know
there
could
be
a
path
to
no
variants
that
would
be
required,
we're
we're
technically
compliant
with
how
it's
being
measured
and
and
thus
we
need
the
variance.
But,
as
you
can
see,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
build
units
or
the
residential
unit
levels
lower
and
have
a
you
know,
a
truly
desirable
condition
so
that
that
has
never
changed.
We
tried
to
work
with
it
as
best
we
could
previously,
but
we
originally
in
in
from
the
beginning,
wanted
this
to
be
a
seven
story.
G
Building
and
and
that's
what
was
approved
by
planning
board-
that's
what
was
approved
by
Ida
we've
gone
back
in
reversed,
both
of
those
in
trying
to
get
this
project
going
without
a
variance.
So
you
know
to
me:
it's
it's,
no
more
straightforward
than
that.
We're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
we
have
hardships
that
are
kind
of
multi
to
faceted.
Here.
A
A
F
E
A
Year,
I
think
so
with
careful
consideration,
of
course,
yeah,
always
of
course
friends,
okay,
yeah,
so
the
next
one
again
is
to
continue
to
peel.
This
is,
from
last
month
number
three
two
three
three
for
706
Lynn
Street
in
the
interest
time
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
the
whole
summary
again,
but
this
is
another
proposal
to
move
a
single
family
home
to
a
two
unit
building
in
the
r2b
district.
A
The
applicants
presented
the
appeal
of
their
October
meeting
and
the
board
tabled
the
appeal
to
discuss
concern
about
the
proposed
layout
of
the
units,
which
appeared
that
they
could
potentially
be
three
units.
Instead
of
two
of
both
the
building
Division
and
the
City
attorney,
and
as
I
reported
to
the
board
by
email,
we
did
speak
to
the
building
division
that
they
are
right
now
considered
two
legal
units.
A
Although
the
boards
England
that
it
could
be
easily
converted
to
a
multiple
dwelling
which
is
not
allowed
in
R
to
be
District
was
feasible
to
make
that
conversion
and
the
city
attorney's
advice
if
the
board
is
remains
concerned,
is
perhaps
putting
a
condition
on
the
variance
once
approved.
Also,
the
property
owners
which
you'll
have
on
your
table
have
submitted
a
letter
of
some
additional
information.
A
D
A
Their
proposal,
so
the
other
piece
of
this
is
they
are
yes,
Victor
is
here.
D
A
You
do
have
any
questions,
but
at
this
point
we
would
board
held
the
public
hearing
and
can
kind
of
resume
its
deliberation.
A
A
You'd
like
him
to
it's
up
to
you,
I
think
the
new
Vector
we're
just
going
to
go
into
deliberation,
so
people
just
stand
by
a
few
questions.
Sure
absolutely
thank
you.
A
I
guess
just
to
recap:
Donald
Lee
saw
this
one
last
month,
based
on
the
floor
plan
layout.
There's
some
questions
about
the
legality
of
what
was
going
on.
Try
glasses.
A
A
Yeah:
okay:
it
was
some
question
with
the
presence
of
two
kitchens
right
yeah
and
the
would
appear
to
be
easy
alteration
to
the
entry.
It
would.
A
I
believe
we've
gotten
some.
A
That
that
is
a
legal
use
and
that
we
can
at
least
pass
this
and
with
some
teeth
in
it
that
could
the
use
ever
be
altered.
Any
variants
that
we've
granted
here
could
be
removed
if
the
if
the
structure
were
found
to
not
be
used
in
compliance,
so
is
that
an
accurate
description?
Does
everyone
understand.
A
Correct
that
we
want
to
throw
in
language
as
a
condition
of
the
marriage
we
can,
and
my
understanding
of
it
is.
This
is
totally
culture
right
he's
within
his
rights
as
a
property
owner.
Besides
the
overall
area
in
terms
of
Designing,
a
two
unit
like
this,
yes
yeah,
the
two
family
uses
allowed
the
reason
this
is
before
the
board
is
mostly
due
to
the
the
Y
area
issue
in
our
code
triggers
the
need
for
the
variants
to
increase
the
occupancy
right
now.
A
The
legal
proposed
increase
in
occupancy
is
one
person
in
the
second
unit
in
the
first
will
remain
at
three
unrelated
people.
Certainly,
you
know
it'll
be
noted
as
something
just
to
keep
an
eye
on
for
the
housing
inspectors
as
they
go
in
for
their
housing
inspections.
To
keep
be
aware
that
this
is
a
condition
of
this
variance
in
the
face
of
the
evidence
so
weeks
of
lesser
landlords
on
the
panel,
you
do
not
provide
two
sets
of
laundry
and
two
sets
of
cooking
here.
A
Skeptics,
all
okay,
moving
forward.
E
A
A
D
F
Whether
an
undesirable
change
would
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
detriment
to
nearby
properties.
No,
the
new
apartment
will
be
added
within
the
existing
footprint
of
the
home.
No
changes
to
the
building
footprint
will
be
made.
The
occupants
of
the
occupancy
of
the
building
will
be
increased
by
one
resident.
All
required
parking
is
provided
on
the
site.
Additionally,
the
board
has
not
received
any
comments
from
interested
parties
on
this
variance
request:
two,
whether
the
benefits
sought
by
the
applicant
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative
to
the
variants.
F
No,
the
property
is
multiple
existing
area
deficiencies
and
many
predate
adoption
of
the
ordinance.
None
of
the
deficiencies
will
be
exacerbated
by
The.
Proposal
variance
is
required
at
this
time
because
the
property
does
not
meet
the
minimum
lot
area.
Requirements
of
the
r2b
zone
and
the
zoning
ordinance
prohibits
the
increase
of
occupancy.
When
a
lot
area
deficiency
exists
is
now
feasible
to
increase
the
property's
a
lot
of
size,
whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
No,
the
property
efficiency
of
477
square
feet
or
16
percent
of
the
required
lot
size.
F
This
deficiency
is
existing
and
will
not
be
exacerbated
by
the
creation
of
the
one
bedroom
apartment
within
the
existing
home
or,
with
the
variants,
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
or
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood.
No
based
on
the
submitted
materials
and
testimony
of
the
applicant.
There
is
no
evidence
of
adverse
physical
or
environmental
impact
resulting
from
the
lot
size
or
other
area
deficiencies.
B
F
This
one
honestly,
but
the
alleged
difficulty
is
not
upgraded
in
that
the
property
was
constructed
prior
to
the
adoption
of
local
zoning
and
cannot
be
the
requirements
of
the
r2b
district.
While
the
applicant
is
choosing
to
add
an
apartment
to
the
home.
All
of
the
property
properties
deficiencies
are
existing
and
will
not
be
exacerbated
by
The,
Proposal
I'll.
Add
in
do
you
want
to
do
that
now
and
then
do
the
proposed
condition.
A
F
So
I
will
also
move
to
included
proposed
condition
as
a
condition
of
the
variance
the
property
shall
not
be
converted
to
a
multiple
dwelling
and
shall
not
be
used
only
or
it
shall
be
used
only
for
two
family
or
single
family
dwelling
consistent
with
the
arch
will
be
District
regulations.
Conversion
of
the
property
to
a
multiple
dwelling
shall
result
in
the
immediate
revocation
of
this
variance.
This
condition
shall
not
terminate
unless
the
zoning
regulations
applicable
to
this
property
are
changed
to
prevent
multiple
dwellings.
F
A
B
A
Mr
Barkin,
yes,
so
Mr
the
your
variants
has
been
granted.
I
will
be
in
touch
within
the
coming
days.
To
give
you
a.
F
A
Copy
for
your
records
and
also
to
follow
up
with
the
building
division
so
that
you
can
move
forward
with
the
next
steps
of
your
permitting
process.
B
A
Thanks,
okay,
so
this
next
appeal
is
also
a
continued
appeal
from
our
October
meeting
number
3236
or
108
to
110
Eddie
street,
again:
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
summary,
but
it
is
a
reconfiguration
of
an
existing
multiple
different
drilling
unit
and
again
the
it
currently
has
nine
dwelling
units
one
to
three
bedrooms
each
and
then
would
like
to
change
it
to
eight
four
bedroom
apartments,
which
is
a
change
in
bedroom
size
from
20
numbers
to
25
to
32..
A
A
Okay,
I'm,
assuming
the
project
team,
is
here,
I
think
we'll.
Do
it
the
same
as
the
last
one
we'll
go
into
deliberation
unless
there's
anything
just
real
quick,
at
least
it's
not
that
I
think
we
have
yeah
I
should
add
that
they
did
submit
some
of
the
additional
information.
The
word
requested
map
last
month,
including
a
push
on
the
number
of
leases
that
were
signed,
pre
purchase
of
the
property,
as
well
as
some
information
on
their
efforts
to
find
other
off
street
parking
that
leads
to
the
Zone
uniform
or
requirements,
is
on.
B
A
Remind
me
what
was
the
actual
occupancy,
even
though
the
legal
occupancy
was
43.,
they
submitted
a
statement
from
the
real
estate
agency
and
there
was
33
leases
prior
to
the
purchase.
Okay,
foreign.
E
It's
your
turn,
yeah
I
think
they've.
You
know
they.
We
asked
them
to
provide
more
information,
confirming
that
they
put
in
a
legitimate
effort
to
find
additional
parking.
They've
done.
That
they've
also
demonstrated
that
they
did
that
prior
to
the
previous
feeding,
which
we
still
appreciate,
you
know
from
a
process
standpoint
I
think
they've,
maximized
parking
on
on-site,
they've
attempted
to
secure
Park
in
off-site
and
that
museum
to
be
feasible,
at
least
in
my
mind
from
reading
that.
So
you
know
I'm
comfortable
with
this.
You
know
moving
forward.
A
In
this
case,
it's
getting
added
density
and
so
doing,
they're
gonna
have
to
comply
with
building
code
right,
so
you're
turning
porches
into
bedrooms
and
continuingers,
actually
making
them
safe
and
habitable.
In
that
sense,
and
putting
a
serious
investment
into
the
building
the
downside
is
is
that
at
East
Street
is
rough
to
bark
on,
as
is
but
by
demonstrating
that
this
was
the
use
all
along
this
added
info
from
the
real
estate
agent.
I.
Think
yes,.
A
So
there's
a
lot
of
competing
interest
from
the
city
coming
to
play
here.
One
is
historic:
preservation,
one
is
preservations,
Green
Space,
plus
promoting
housing
and
I
think
the
least
important
is
presuming
Wall
Street,
providing
Wall
Street
parking.
So
I
think
this
is
fine.
E
So
I
motioned
Grand
variants
for
108-10
Eddie
Street.
This
is
an
unlisted
action
under
the
city
of
Ithaca
Environmental
Quality
review
ordinance
and
is
subject
to
environmental
review.
The
city
of
Ithaca
Board
of
zoning
appeals
has
cleared
itself
the
agency
and
for
the
environmental
review
variant
from
the
property
located
at
108-110,
8th,
Street
Ithaca.
The
board
has
reviewed
the
the
short
environmental
assessment
form
dated
September
23
2022
and
determines
that
the
requester
variance
will
result
in
no
significant
environmental
impact.
E
So
factors
considered
one
whether
or
not
an
undesirable
change
will
be
produced
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
a
detriment
to
the
nearby
properties
know.
The
property
is
an
existing
variant
for
four
spaces.
In
addition
to
the
five
spaces
provided
on
site,
the
applicant
is
now
seeking
a
variance
for
an
additional
seven.
D
E
That
will
be
required
by
a
proposed
reconfiguration
of
the
existing
building,
because
the
net
occupancy,
effective
occupancy
of
the
building
is
effectively
unchanged
32
under
the
promotion
configuration
versus
33
occupants
in
the
past.
It
will
no
impact
on
the
neighborhood
character
in
the
demand
for
parking
parking.
E
Two
of
the
benefits
of
by
the
applicant
can
can
be
achieved
by
a
feasible
alternative.
No,
it's
not
feasible
to
construct
additional
parking
spaces
on
site
the
objectives
also
put
in
an
effort
to
attempt
to
lease
parking
off
site,
and
that
has
been
unsuccessful.
Three,
whether
the
requested
variance
is
substantial.
E
Know
if
you
want
to
have
a
substantial
impact
on
the
community,
it's
also
a
small
request
in
terms
of
the
net
member
of
parking
spaces
set
in
parking
spaces
for
the
very
end
relative
to
you
know
the
size
of
the
area
for
with
the
variance,
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
and
environmental
conditions
of
the
neighborhood.
No,
it's
essentially
a
reconfiguration
of
buildings
and
that
occupancy
wind
change
and
the
parking
situation
would
be
changed
at
all
because
of
that
is
the
self-defical
to
self-created.
Yes,
definition.
E
E
E
A
Mr
Kirby,
yes,
Mr
Barkin.
Yes,
all
right,
so
congratulations!
Lee
Ford
has
granted
your
your
variants.
I
will
be
sending
you
the
written
decision
within
the
coming
days
and
sending
it
to
building
divisions,
policies
to
move
on
to
the
next
step
in
your
process.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Thank
you.
Have
a
good
night.
Thank.
D
A
A
Okay,
so
one
thing:
oh
December,
agenda
review.
We
have
yep
so
perfect,
so
December
we
have
four.
A
Corn,
not
new
three
new
appeals,
one
and
likely
two
continued
appeals.
So
two
two
side
variants
is
the
three
area
variants.
So
this
will
be
coming
your
way
on
December
6th.
So
can
you
stay
tuned
for
for
the
next
edition
of
bza
funds
coming
up?
Next,
too,
is
for
those
I
think
most.
This
is
kind
of
got
a
little
lacks
during
covet,
but
one
of
the
New
York
state
requirements
for
all
volunteers
on
the
board,
just
that
they
complete
the
sexual
harassment
training.
A
This
can
be
done
online
or,
if
you
do
it
through
your
employer,
that's
fine
too
I
will
be
sending
you
out
an
email
with
a
link
to
the
training,
as
well
as
a
form
to
submit
to
me
once
you
have
completed
your
training.
If
you
have
again,
if
you
have
something
at
work,
just
send
me
whatever
form
you
can
use
that
so,
and
that
has
to
be
done
by
no
later
than
December
31st.
A
But
if
you'll
be
in
my
really
good
graces,
if
you
submit
it
before
by
the
December,
is
it
the
single
video,
probably
yeah,
okay,
yeah
yep.
A
Gonna,
send
you
a
link
there's
a
online
training
that
you
can
do
they
offered
to
do
is
Zoom
are
come
to
the
meaning,
but
I
thought
we
could
all
handle
that
online.
Just
fine,
so.
A
One
question
I
had
for
you
all,
as
I
was
putting
together
the
agenda
for
this
and
another
board
recently
was
we
I
typically
send
out
all
the
agenda
materials
this
one
giant
packet?
It
was
120
pages
long
as
you
saw,
and
it
sometimes
King
is
my
computer
to
happen.
It
froze
I
noticed
some
other
works
are
kind
of
putting
separate
links
on
the
agenda
after
each
application
packet.
So
you
basically
you
would
have
tonight.
A
D
B
E
A
A
A
If
you
are,
let
me
know,
I
was
looking
into
something
else,
and
alternates
are
unavailable
that
day,
so
we
don't
want
to
lose
too
many
people
I've
gone
the
whole.